DPD Ruses, Part I: Insp. Sawyer in the hot seat

For me, the discovery of DPD Insp. Sawyer's actual source for his 12:44 suspect description somewhat vindicates him. Before that, I had thought that he was part of the conspiracy and that he was handed--*before* 12:30pm 11/22/63--a pre-fab description.
But NTFH's discovery of the FBI dispatches re his encounter with a witness in back of the depository takes him off the conspiracy hook, though, yes, it leaves him dangling on the cover-up hook. The discovery also partially explains why Sawyer's
Commission testimony was so full of holes. He used his unnamed witness's suspect description as the basis for his 12:44 transmission--unfortunately for Sawyer, that suspect description included a *weapon* description. And, on the money or not (good
reason to believe not), a police inspector bought it--lock, stock, and barrel--and all-but-legitimatized it by putting it on the police airwaves. Perhaps there was something compelling about the witness's presentation. We'll never know because Sawyer
had to forget that the person even existed.

The broadcasting of the weapon description put Sawyer in the hot seat, and the actual conspirators (including, I believe, DPD Homicide Capt. Fritz) had to scramble to attach it to a suspect in the depository, or it might sound as if there were *two*
active rifles in Dealey that day. (There may have been, but Sawyer's witness's suspect was most probably not one of them.) Sawyer must have been a nervous wreck at the hearings: He was also in the hot seat for his 1:11 transmission situating the
sniper on the fifth (or third) floor. Lotta scrambling going on before his Commission stint, and some 'splainin' to do for the Commissioners during it.


First, Sawyer, almost comically, gets off on the wrong foot when Counsel David Belin asks him why he "headed west on Main Street". Sawyer: "Because that was the way the car was pointed at the time I got in." (v6p316)

Secondly, Sawyer testified that he went to the depository because he had heard Sheriff Decker, at 12:30, invoke the "Texas School Book Depository".  Wrong--check the DPD radio logs.  

Thirdly--after being corrected by counsel--he then says that, yes, maybe he actually started to Dealey or got to Dealey or went into the building about 12:34, when the depository was first mentioned on the DPD radio. (v6p319)  Wrong again, because...

Fourth, Sawyer testified that officers at the building told him that they'd heard about shooting from the fifth floor, and he took an elevator up.  But the officers in question--that would have been Sgt. Harkness and Patrolman Hill--did not radio their
data until, respectively, 12:36 and 12:37, then went down to the depository.  But even, say, 12:38 would have been wrong, because...

Fifth, at 12:44, Sawyer still seems not to have not heard from Harkness and Hill: He references no floors in the building, in fact does not reference the building at all, in his suspect description.

Sixth, Sawyer, at 12:45, radioed that he was not aware that the suspect had been in the building, though we now know that he had been told that a suspect had been seen running "from" the building.  It was the dispatcher who, finally, got Sawyer onto the
scent of the depository, told him that the shooting "did come from about the 5th or 4th floor" (CE 1974 p171) But Sawyer's entry into the building perhaps has to be pushed out even further, to no earlier than about 12:52, because...

Seventh, the "couple of officers" with whom Sawyer says he entered the building must have been Sgt. Gerald Hill and Patrolman James Valentine (Hill/v7p45)--and they were only radioing, at 12:48 (DPD radio logs), that they were "en route Elm & Houston". 
The two were the only officers who claimed to have gone in with him. So, Sawyer was, initially, some 20 minutes off on his entry time, though he had testified that he was down & out of the TSBD by 12:37. (v6p320)

As Claviger has said (on the old alt.assassination.jfk), Where the hell was Sawyer for those 20 minutes?  He was apparently, for at least part of that time, talking to a witness who saw someone run out of the depository--out the back apparently--the
witness who gave him the suspect description, radioed in by Sawyer at 12:44, the description generally--and obviously incorrectly--attributed to witness Howard Brennan, who provided, never at all believably, a height and weight estimate of a suspect seen
on an upper floor of the depository.  A suspect whom he thought was standing as he shot. Gamely, poor Brennan went along with the DPD ruse.

Eighth: Here is Sawyer, at the hearings, quoting--not entirely accurately--his 1:11 radio transmission, "We have found empty rifle hulls on the fifth floor." (v6p322) But even that correct-sounding quote from Sawyer is incorrect.  From "Pictures of
the Pain (p523):  Sawyer, at 1:11: "On the third [sic] floor of this book company down here, we found empty rifle hulls."  (from Trask's transcription of an audio tape of the DPD radio logs.  See also the FBI transcription of the radio logs for that
curious "3rd floor".)  (CE 1974p176)  Sawyer was testifying, falsely, in concert with Sgt. G.D. Henslee's transcription of the logs (Sawyer Exhibit B p400): "We have found empty rifle hulls on the fifth floor..." A double DPD ruse by Sawyer and
Henslee...

The DPD invoked the fifth floor rather than the third because, I think--as everyone knows--the fifth was often confused with the sixth, at least from the outside of the building.  So "fifth" could be brushed off as a harmless confusion of floors.  But "
third", not so much.  Certainly, "third" could not be interpreted as "sixth", from any point of view or angle--although it could be interpreted as "third floor from the top", or... "fifth". In fact, Sawyer elsewhere told reporters, "Police found the
remains of fried chicken and paper on the fifth floor." ([AP] Stockton [CA] Record 11/22/63 p8/And a tip of the hat to Walt Cakebread.) And if Sawyer, as has been shown, did not enter the depository until about 12:52, and achieved, at least, the fifth
floor, in his search, then he might have been there, in person, when the hulls were found, or just after they were found, on an upper floor of the building. 

Why would Sawyer testify, falsely, re both times and floor numbers? Why would he seem to be frantic to get himself into the building so early--initially, about 12:32! Why would Sawyer and Henslee want to avoid any mention of the phrase "third floor"?

Ninth: Yes, sometimes it's what DPD witnesses omit rather than what they include that's the key. The Sawyer song-and-dance: "The elevator was just to the right of the main entrance, and we went to the top floor... which was pointed out to me by this
other man as being the floor... [that] he had talked about" with the officers at the scene--"the fifth floor". (v6p317) But that was a freight elevator which only went up as high as the fourth floor. Sawyer--what a maroon. But a useful maroon.

Meanwhile, Hill's complementary song-and-dance: "We went up to the seventh floor... and these two deputies and I went down to [the] sixth." (v7p46) So, Sawyer went to the fourth floor, and Hill went to the seventh, then down to the sixth, for him the "
Eureka!" floor. Yes, they maintained--by omission--that they scrupulously avoided the fifth floor. But--suckers!--there was, you'll recall, a third member on their little foray, Patrolman Valentine, who later noted that, at the depository, he was "
assigned to the fifth floor." (v25p914) And there are photos of Valentine standing around on what has been represented (for the rifle find) as the sixth floor. But, either way, that means that the Sawyer gaggle got as high as the fifth.

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On Tuesday, November 28, 2023 at 12:17:36 AM UTC-5, Donald Willis wrote:

DPD Ruses, Part I: Insp. Sawyer in the hot seat

For me, the discovery of DPD Insp. Sawyer's actual source for his 12:44 suspect description somewhat vindicates him. Before that, I had thought that he was part of the conspiracy and that he was handed--*before* 12:30pm 11/22/63--a pre-fab description.

But NTFH's discovery of the FBI dispatches re his encounter with a witness in back of the depository takes him off the conspiracy hook, though, yes, it leaves him dangling on the cover-up hook. The discovery also partially explains why Sawyer's
Commission testimony was so full of holes. He used his unnamed witness's suspect description as the basis for his 12:44 transmission--unfortunately for Sawyer, that suspect description included a *weapon* description. And, on the money or not (good
reason to believe not), a police inspector bought it--lock, stock, and barrel--and all-but-legitimatized it by putting it on the police airwaves. Perhaps there was something compelling about the witness's presentation. We'll never know because Sawyer had
to forget that the person even existed.

The broadcasting of the weapon description put Sawyer in the hot seat, and the actual conspirators (including, I believe, DPD Homicide Capt. Fritz) had to scramble to attach it to a suspect in the depository, or it might sound as if there were *two*

active rifles in Dealey that day. (There may have been, but Sawyer's witness's suspect was most probably not one of them.)
You think that it is unlikely that a man running away from the TSBD with a rifle just after the president had been shot had been a shooter? This should be explained.

Sawyer must have been a nervous wreck at the hearings: He was also in the hot seat for his 1:11 transmission situating the sniper on the fifth (or third) floor. Lotta scrambling going on before his Commission stint, and some 'splainin' to do for the
Commissioners during it.

First, Sawyer, almost comically, gets off on the wrong foot when Counsel David Belin asks him why he "headed west on Main Street". Sawyer: "Because that was the way the car was pointed at the time I got in." (v6p316)

Secondly, Sawyer testified that he went to the depository because he had heard Sheriff Decker, at 12:30, invoke the "Texas School Book Depository". Wrong--check the DPD radio logs.

Thirdly--after being corrected by counsel--he then says that, yes, maybe he actually started to Dealey or got to Dealey or went into the building about 12:34, when the depository was first mentioned on the DPD radio. (v6p319) Wrong again, because...

Fourth, Sawyer testified that officers at the building told him that they'd heard about shooting from the fifth floor, and he took an elevator up. But the officers in question--that would have been Sgt. Harkness and Patrolman Hill--did not radio their

data until, respectively, 12:36 and 12:37, then went down to the depository. But even, say, 12:38 would have been wrong, because...

Fifth, at 12:44, Sawyer still seems not to have not heard from Harkness and Hill: He references no floors in the building, in fact does not reference the building at all, in his suspect description.

Sixth, Sawyer, at 12:45, radioed that he was not aware that the suspect had been in the building, though we now know that he had been told that a suspect had been seen running "from" the building. It was the dispatcher who, finally, got Sawyer onto

the scent of the depository, told him that the shooting "did come from about the 5th or 4th floor" (CE 1974 p171) But Sawyer's entry into the building perhaps has to be pushed out even further, to no earlier than about 12:52, because...
Perhaps this timing confusion for Sawyer's presence has to do with the Dispatcher calling Sgt. Owens from Oak Cliff so that he can be in charge at the TSBD. At 12:47 the Dispatcher dispatches Owens, and shortly after that he says that Owens will be in
charge (when he gets there). The trouble with this is that Inspector Sawyer, who outranks Owens, already is in charge, and the Dispatcher already knows that. Owens is being taken out of Oak Cliff so that he doesn't mess up the 10th Street operation. So
perhaps Sawyer has been briefed to make his arrival time hazy so that nobody notices that there was no legitimate reason for the Dispatcher to take Owens out of Oak Cliff.

Seventh, the "couple of officers" with whom Sawyer says he entered the building must have been Sgt. Gerald Hill and Patrolman James Valentine (Hill/v7p45)--and they were only radioing, at 12:48 (DPD radio logs), that they were "en route Elm & Houston".

The two were the only officers who claimed to have gone in with him.
Did Valentine ever make that claim? Did anybody other than Gerry Hill ever say anything about Gerry being at the TSBD?

So, Sawyer was, initially, some 20 minutes off on his entry time, though he had testified that he was down & out of the TSBD by 12:37. (v6p320)

As Claviger has said (on the old alt.assassination.jfk), Where the hell was Sawyer for those 20 minutes? He was apparently, for at least part of that time, talking to a witness who saw someone run out of the depository--out the back apparently--the

witness who gave him the suspect description, radioed in by Sawyer at 12:44, the description generally--and obviously incorrectly--attributed to witness Howard Brennan, who provided, never at all believably, a height and weight estimate of a suspect seen
on an upper floor of the depository. A suspect whom he thought was standing as he shot. Gamely, poor Brennan went along with the DPD ruse.

Eighth: Here is Sawyer, at the hearings, quoting--not entirely accurately--his 1:11 radio transmission, "We have found empty rifle hulls on the fifth floor." (v6p322) But even that correct-sounding quote from Sawyer is incorrect. From "Pictures of the

Pain (p523): Sawyer, at 1:11: "On the third [sic] floor of this book company down here, we found empty rifle hulls." (from Trask's transcription of an audio tape of the DPD radio logs. See also the FBI transcription of the radio logs for that curious "
3rd floor".) (CE 1974p176) Sawyer was testifying, falsely, in concert with Sgt. G.D. Henslee's transcription of the logs (Sawyer Exhibit B p400): "We have found empty rifle hulls on the fifth floor..." A double DPD ruse by Sawyer and Henslee...

The DPD invoked the fifth floor rather than the third because, I think--as everyone knows--the fifth was often confused with the sixth, at least from the outside of the building. So "fifth" could be brushed off as a harmless confusion of floors. But "

third", not so much. Certainly, "third" could not be interpreted as "sixth", from any point of view or angle--although it could be interpreted as "third floor from the top", or... "fifth". In fact, Sawyer elsewhere told reporters, "Police found the
remains of fried chicken and paper on the fifth floor." ([AP] Stockton [CA] Record 11/22/63 p8/And a tip of the hat to Walt Cakebread.) And if Sawyer, as has been shown, did not enter the depository until about 12:52, and achieved, at least, the fifth
floor, in his search, then he might have been there, in person, when the hulls were found, or just after they were found, on an upper floor of the building.

Why would Sawyer testify, falsely, re both times and floor numbers? Why would he seem to be frantic to get himself into the building so early--initially, about 12:32! Why would Sawyer and Henslee want to avoid any mention of the phrase "third floor"?

Ninth: Yes, sometimes it's what DPD witnesses omit rather than what they include that's the key. The Sawyer song-and-dance: "The elevator was just to the right of the main entrance, and we went to the top floor... which was pointed out to me by this

other man as being the floor... [that] he had talked about" with the officers at the scene--"the fifth floor". (v6p317) But that was a freight elevator which only went up as high as the fourth floor. Sawyer--what a maroon. But a useful maroon.

Meanwhile, Hill's complementary song-and-dance: "We went up to the seventh floor... and these two deputies and I went down to [the] sixth." (v7p46) So, Sawyer went to the fourth floor, and Hill went to the seventh, then down to the sixth, for him the "

Eureka!" floor. Yes, they maintained--by omission--that they scrupulously avoided the fifth floor. But--suckers!--there was, you'll recall, a third member on their little foray, Patrolman Valentine, who later noted that, at the depository, he was "
assigned to the fifth floor." (v25p914) And there are photos of Valentine standing around on what has been represented (for the rifle find) as the sixth floor. But, either way, that means that the Sawyer gaggle got as high as the fifth.

dcw

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On Monday, November 27, 2023 at 10:35:25 PM UTC-8, NoTrueFlags Here wrote:

On Tuesday, November 28, 2023 at 12:17:36 AM UTC-5, Donald Willis wrote:

DPD Ruses, Part I: Insp. Sawyer in the hot seat

For me, the discovery of DPD Insp. Sawyer's actual source for his 12:44 suspect description somewhat vindicates him. Before that, I had thought that he was part of the conspiracy and that he was handed--*before* 12:30pm 11/22/63--a pre-fab

description. But NTFH's discovery of the FBI dispatches re his encounter with a witness in back of the depository takes him off the conspiracy hook, though, yes, it leaves him dangling on the cover-up hook. The discovery also partially explains why
Sawyer's Commission testimony was so full of holes. He used his unnamed witness's suspect description as the basis for his 12:44 transmission--unfortunately for Sawyer, that suspect description included a *weapon* description. And, on the money or not (
good reason to believe not), a police inspector bought it--lock, stock, and barrel--and all-but-legitimatized it by putting it on the police airwaves. Perhaps there was something compelling about the witness's presentation. We'll never know because
Sawyer had to forget that the person even existed.

The broadcasting of the weapon description put Sawyer in the hot seat, and the actual conspirators (including, I believe, DPD Homicide Capt. Fritz) had to scramble to attach it to a suspect in the depository, or it might sound as if there were *two*

active rifles in Dealey that day. (There may have been, but Sawyer's witness's suspect was most probably not one of them.)

You think that it is unlikely that a man running away from the TSBD with a rifle just after the president had been shot had been a shooter? This should be explained.

I have addressed that elsewhere. I find it difficult to believe that someone could spirit a rifle past everyone on the first floor about 12:33 without its being noticed.

Sawyer must have been a nervous wreck at the hearings: He was also in the hot seat for his 1:11 transmission situating the sniper on the fifth (or third) floor. Lotta scrambling going on before his Commission stint, and some 'splainin' to do for the

Commissioners during it.

First, Sawyer, almost comically, gets off on the wrong foot when Counsel David Belin asks him why he "headed west on Main Street". Sawyer: "Because that was the way the car was pointed at the time I got in." (v6p316)

Secondly, Sawyer testified that he went to the depository because he had heard Sheriff Decker, at 12:30, invoke the "Texas School Book Depository". Wrong--check the DPD radio logs.

Thirdly--after being corrected by counsel--he then says that, yes, maybe he actually started to Dealey or got to Dealey or went into the building about 12:34, when the depository was first mentioned on the DPD radio. (v6p319) Wrong again, because...

Fourth, Sawyer testified that officers at the building told him that they'd heard about shooting from the fifth floor, and he took an elevator up. But the officers in question--that would have been Sgt. Harkness and Patrolman Hill--did not radio

their data until, respectively, 12:36 and 12:37, then went down to the depository. But even, say, 12:38 would have been wrong, because...

Fifth, at 12:44, Sawyer still seems not to have not heard from Harkness and Hill: He references no floors in the building, in fact does not reference the building at all, in his suspect description.

Sixth, Sawyer, at 12:45, radioed that he was not aware that the suspect had been in the building, though we now know that he had been told that a suspect had been seen running "from" the building. It was the dispatcher who, finally, got Sawyer onto

the scent of the depository, told him that the shooting "did come from about the 5th or 4th floor" (CE 1974 p171) But Sawyer's entry into the building perhaps has to be pushed out even further, to no earlier than about 12:52, because...

Perhaps this timing confusion for Sawyer's presence has to do with the Dispatcher calling Sgt. Owens from Oak Cliff so that he can be in charge at the TSBD. At 12:47 the Dispatcher dispatches Owens, and shortly after that he says that Owens will be in

charge (when he gets there). The trouble with this is that Inspector Sawyer, who outranks Owens, already is in charge, and the Dispatcher already knows that. Owens is being taken out of Oak Cliff so that he doesn't mess up the 10th Street operation. So
perhaps Sawyer has been briefed to make his arrival time hazy so that nobody notices that there was no legitimate reason for the Dispatcher to take Owens out of Oak Cliff.

Interesting angle, but as I argue there's another reason for Sawyer to make it seem as if he got there early and got in & out of the building early--before 12:58.

Seventh, the "couple of officers" with whom Sawyer says he entered the building must have been Sgt. Gerald Hill and Patrolman James Valentine (Hill/v7p45)--and they were only radioing, at 12:48 (DPD radio logs), that they were "en route Elm & Houston"

. The two were the only officers who claimed to have gone in with him.

Did Valentine ever make that claim? Did anybody other than Gerry Hill ever say anything about Gerry being at the TSBD?

Certainly, no one mentioned him as being at the scene of his shout. Valentine is with Hill in the car beforehand; he's on the 5th (or 6th) floor later. Doubt he & Hill split up at the entrance when they got there. Alyea writes (Secrets from the Sixth
Floor Window p43) that Hill couldn't have been there for the discovery of the hulls/"nest". That's funny, since you've shown (via a photo) that *Alyea* wasn't there himself! How can someone who wasn't there say that someone else wasn't there?

dcw

So, Sawyer was, initially, some 20 minutes off on his entry time, though he had testified that he was down & out of the TSBD by 12:37. (v6p320)

As Claviger has said (on the old alt.assassination.jfk), Where the hell was Sawyer for those 20 minutes? He was apparently, for at least part of that time, talking to a witness who saw someone run out of the depository--out the back apparently--the

witness who gave him the suspect description, radioed in by Sawyer at 12:44, the description generally--and obviously incorrectly--attributed to witness Howard Brennan, who provided, never at all believably, a height and weight estimate of a suspect seen
on an upper floor of the depository. A suspect whom he thought was standing as he shot. Gamely, poor Brennan went along with the DPD ruse.

Eighth: Here is Sawyer, at the hearings, quoting--not entirely accurately--his 1:11 radio transmission, "We have found empty rifle hulls on the fifth floor." (v6p322) But even that correct-sounding quote from Sawyer is incorrect. From "Pictures of

the Pain (p523): Sawyer, at 1:11: "On the third [sic] floor of this book company down here, we found empty rifle hulls." (from Trask's transcription of an audio tape of the DPD radio logs. See also the FBI transcription of the radio logs for that curious
"3rd floor".) (CE 1974p176) Sawyer was testifying, falsely, in concert with Sgt. G.D. Henslee's transcription of the logs (Sawyer Exhibit B p400): "We have found empty rifle hulls on the fifth floor..." A double DPD ruse by Sawyer and Henslee...

The DPD invoked the fifth floor rather than the third because, I think--as everyone knows--the fifth was often confused with the sixth, at least from the outside of the building. So "fifth" could be brushed off as a harmless confusion of floors. But "

third", not so much. Certainly, "third" could not be interpreted as "sixth", from any point of view or angle--although it could be interpreted as "third floor from the top", or... "fifth". In fact, Sawyer elsewhere told reporters, "Police found the
remains of fried chicken and paper on the fifth floor." ([AP] Stockton [CA] Record 11/22/63 p8/And a tip of the hat to Walt Cakebread.) And if Sawyer, as has been shown, did not enter the depository until about 12:52, and achieved, at least, the fifth
floor, in his search, then he might have been there, in person, when the hulls were found, or just after they were found, on an upper floor of the building.

Why would Sawyer testify, falsely, re both times and floor numbers? Why would he seem to be frantic to get himself into the building so early--initially, about 12:32! Why would Sawyer and Henslee want to avoid any mention of the phrase "third floor"?

Ninth: Yes, sometimes it's what DPD witnesses omit rather than what they include that's the key. The Sawyer song-and-dance: "The elevator was just to the right of the main entrance, and we went to the top floor... which was pointed out to me by this

other man as being the floor... [that] he had talked about" with the officers at the scene--"the fifth floor". (v6p317) But that was a freight elevator which only went up as high as the fourth floor. Sawyer--what a maroon. But a useful maroon.

Meanwhile, Hill's complementary song-and-dance: "We went up to the seventh floor... and these two deputies and I went down to [the] sixth." (v7p46) So, Sawyer went to the fourth floor, and Hill went to the seventh, then down to the sixth, for him the

"Eureka!" floor. Yes, they maintained--by omission--that they scrupulously avoided the fifth floor. But--suckers!--there was, you'll recall, a third member on their little foray, Patrolman Valentine, who later noted that, at the depository, he was "
assigned to the fifth floor." (v25p914) And there are photos of Valentine standing around on what has been represented (for the rifle find) as the sixth floor. But, either way, that means that the Sawyer gaggle got as high as the fifth.

dcw

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On Monday, November 27, 2023 at 10:35:25 PM UTC-8, NoTrueFlags Here wrote:

On Tuesday, November 28, 2023 at 12:17:36 AM UTC-5, Donald Willis wrote:

DPD Ruses, Part I: Insp. Sawyer in the hot seat

For me, the discovery of DPD Insp. Sawyer's actual source for his 12:44 suspect description somewhat vindicates him. Before that, I had thought that he was part of the conspiracy and that he was handed--*before* 12:30pm 11/22/63--a pre-fab

description. But NTFH's discovery of the FBI dispatches re his encounter with a witness in back of the depository takes him off the conspiracy hook, though, yes, it leaves him dangling on the cover-up hook. The discovery also partially explains why
Sawyer's Commission testimony was so full of holes. He used his unnamed witness's suspect description as the basis for his 12:44 transmission--unfortunately for Sawyer, that suspect description included a *weapon* description. And, on the money or not (
good reason to believe not), a police inspector bought it--lock, stock, and barrel--and all-but-legitimatized it by putting it on the police airwaves. Perhaps there was something compelling about the witness's presentation. We'll never know because
Sawyer had to forget that the person even existed.

The broadcasting of the weapon description put Sawyer in the hot seat, and the actual conspirators (including, I believe, DPD Homicide Capt. Fritz) had to scramble to attach it to a suspect in the depository, or it might sound as if there were *two*

active rifles in Dealey that day. (There may have been, but Sawyer's witness's suspect was most probably not one of them.)

You think that it is unlikely that a man running away from the TSBD with a rifle just after the president had been shot had been a shooter? This should be explained.
Sawyer must have been a nervous wreck at the hearings: He was also in the hot seat for his 1:11 transmission situating the sniper on the fifth (or third) floor. Lotta scrambling going on before his Commission stint, and some 'splainin' to do for the

Commissioners during it.

First, Sawyer, almost comically, gets off on the wrong foot when Counsel David Belin asks him why he "headed west on Main Street". Sawyer: "Because that was the way the car was pointed at the time I got in." (v6p316)

Secondly, Sawyer testified that he went to the depository because he had heard Sheriff Decker, at 12:30, invoke the "Texas School Book Depository". Wrong--check the DPD radio logs.

Thirdly--after being corrected by counsel--he then says that, yes, maybe he actually started to Dealey or got to Dealey or went into the building about 12:34, when the depository was first mentioned on the DPD radio. (v6p319) Wrong again, because...

Fourth, Sawyer testified that officers at the building told him that they'd heard about shooting from the fifth floor, and he took an elevator up. But the officers in question--that would have been Sgt. Harkness and Patrolman Hill--did not radio

their data until, respectively, 12:36 and 12:37, then went down to the depository. But even, say, 12:38 would have been wrong, because...

Fifth, at 12:44, Sawyer still seems not to have not heard from Harkness and Hill: He references no floors in the building, in fact does not reference the building at all, in his suspect description.

Sixth, Sawyer, at 12:45, radioed that he was not aware that the suspect had been in the building, though we now know that he had been told that a suspect had been seen running "from" the building. It was the dispatcher who, finally, got Sawyer onto

the scent of the depository, told him that the shooting "did come from about the 5th or 4th floor" (CE 1974 p171) But Sawyer's entry into the building perhaps has to be pushed out even further, to no earlier than about 12:52, because...

Perhaps this timing confusion for Sawyer's presence has to do with the Dispatcher calling Sgt. Owens from Oak Cliff so that he can be in charge at the TSBD. At 12:47 the Dispatcher dispatches Owens, and shortly after that he says that Owens will be in

charge (when he gets there). The trouble with this is that Inspector Sawyer, who outranks Owens, already is in charge, and the Dispatcher already knows that. Owens is being taken out of Oak Cliff so that he doesn't mess up the 10th Street operation. So
perhaps Sawyer has been briefed to make his arrival time hazy so that nobody notices that there was no legitimate reason for the Dispatcher to take Owens out of Oak Cliff.

Seventh, the "couple of officers" with whom Sawyer says he entered the building must have been Sgt. Gerald Hill and Patrolman James Valentine (Hill/v7p45)--and they were only radioing, at 12:48 (DPD radio logs), that they were "en route Elm & Houston"

. The two were the only officers who claimed to have gone in with him.

Did Valentine ever make that claim? Did anybody other than Gerry Hill ever say anything about Gerry being at the TSBD?

Yes. I forgot about it--one of the three guys who snapped Hill at the window talked about it too.

dcw

So, Sawyer was, initially, some 20 minutes off on his entry time, though he had testified that he was down & out of the TSBD by 12:37. (v6p320)

As Claviger has said (on the old alt.assassination.jfk), Where the hell was Sawyer for those 20 minutes? He was apparently, for at least part of that time, talking to a witness who saw someone run out of the depository--out the back apparently--the

witness who gave him the suspect description, radioed in by Sawyer at 12:44, the description generally--and obviously incorrectly--attributed to witness Howard Brennan, who provided, never at all believably, a height and weight estimate of a suspect seen
on an upper floor of the depository. A suspect whom he thought was standing as he shot. Gamely, poor Brennan went along with the DPD ruse.

Eighth: Here is Sawyer, at the hearings, quoting--not entirely accurately--his 1:11 radio transmission, "We have found empty rifle hulls on the fifth floor." (v6p322) But even that correct-sounding quote from Sawyer is incorrect. From "Pictures of

the Pain (p523): Sawyer, at 1:11: "On the third [sic] floor of this book company down here, we found empty rifle hulls." (from Trask's transcription of an audio tape of the DPD radio logs. See also the FBI transcription of the radio logs for that curious
"3rd floor".) (CE 1974p176) Sawyer was testifying, falsely, in concert with Sgt. G.D. Henslee's transcription of the logs (Sawyer Exhibit B p400): "We have found empty rifle hulls on the fifth floor..." A double DPD ruse by Sawyer and Henslee...

The DPD invoked the fifth floor rather than the third because, I think--as everyone knows--the fifth was often confused with the sixth, at least from the outside of the building. So "fifth" could be brushed off as a harmless confusion of floors. But "

third", not so much. Certainly, "third" could not be interpreted as "sixth", from any point of view or angle--although it could be interpreted as "third floor from the top", or... "fifth". In fact, Sawyer elsewhere told reporters, "Police found the
remains of fried chicken and paper on the fifth floor." ([AP] Stockton [CA] Record 11/22/63 p8/And a tip of the hat to Walt Cakebread.) And if Sawyer, as has been shown, did not enter the depository until about 12:52, and achieved, at least, the fifth
floor, in his search, then he might have been there, in person, when the hulls were found, or just after they were found, on an upper floor of the building.

Why would Sawyer testify, falsely, re both times and floor numbers? Why would he seem to be frantic to get himself into the building so early--initially, about 12:32! Why would Sawyer and Henslee want to avoid any mention of the phrase "third floor"?

Ninth: Yes, sometimes it's what DPD witnesses omit rather than what they include that's the key. The Sawyer song-and-dance: "The elevator was just to the right of the main entrance, and we went to the top floor... which was pointed out to me by this

other man as being the floor... [that] he had talked about" with the officers at the scene--"the fifth floor". (v6p317) But that was a freight elevator which only went up as high as the fourth floor. Sawyer--what a maroon. But a useful maroon.

Meanwhile, Hill's complementary song-and-dance: "We went up to the seventh floor... and these two deputies and I went down to [the] sixth." (v7p46) So, Sawyer went to the fourth floor, and Hill went to the seventh, then down to the sixth, for him the

"Eureka!" floor. Yes, they maintained--by omission--that they scrupulously avoided the fifth floor. But--suckers!--there was, you'll recall, a third member on their little foray, Patrolman Valentine, who later noted that, at the depository, he was "
assigned to the fifth floor." (v25p914) And there are photos of Valentine standing around on what has been represented (for the rifle find) as the sixth floor. But, either way, that means that the Sawyer gaggle got as high as the fifth.

dcw

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On Tuesday, November 28, 2023 at 4:11:02 PM UTC-5, Donald Willis wrote:

On Monday, November 27, 2023 at 10:35:25 PM UTC-8, NoTrueFlags Here wrote:

On Tuesday, November 28, 2023 at 12:17:36 AM UTC-5, Donald Willis wrote:

DPD Ruses, Part I: Insp. Sawyer in the hot seat

For me, the discovery of DPD Insp. Sawyer's actual source for his 12:44 suspect description somewhat vindicates him. Before that, I had thought that he was part of the conspiracy and that he was handed--*before* 12:30pm 11/22/63--a pre-fab

description. But NTFH's discovery of the FBI dispatches re his encounter with a witness in back of the depository takes him off the conspiracy hook, though, yes, it leaves him dangling on the cover-up hook. The discovery also partially explains why
Sawyer's Commission testimony was so full of holes. He used his unnamed witness's suspect description as the basis for his 12:44 transmission--unfortunately for Sawyer, that suspect description included a *weapon* description. And, on the money or not (
good reason to believe not), a police inspector bought it--lock, stock, and barrel--and all-but-legitimatized it by putting it on the police airwaves. Perhaps there was something compelling about the witness's presentation. We'll never know because
Sawyer had to forget that the person even existed.

The broadcasting of the weapon description put Sawyer in the hot seat, and the actual conspirators (including, I believe, DPD Homicide Capt. Fritz) had to scramble to attach it to a suspect in the depository, or it might sound as if there were *two*

active rifles in Dealey that day. (There may have been, but Sawyer's witness's suspect was most probably not one of them.)

You think that it is unlikely that a man running away from the TSBD with a rifle just after the president had been shot had been a shooter? This should be explained.
Sawyer must have been a nervous wreck at the hearings: He was also in the hot seat for his 1:11 transmission situating the sniper on the fifth (or third) floor. Lotta scrambling going on before his Commission stint, and some 'splainin' to do for the

Commissioners during it.

First, Sawyer, almost comically, gets off on the wrong foot when Counsel David Belin asks him why he "headed west on Main Street". Sawyer: "Because that was the way the car was pointed at the time I got in." (v6p316)

Secondly, Sawyer testified that he went to the depository because he had heard Sheriff Decker, at 12:30, invoke the "Texas School Book Depository". Wrong--check the DPD radio logs.

Thirdly--after being corrected by counsel--he then says that, yes, maybe he actually started to Dealey or got to Dealey or went into the building about 12:34, when the depository was first mentioned on the DPD radio. (v6p319) Wrong again, because...

Fourth, Sawyer testified that officers at the building told him that they'd heard about shooting from the fifth floor, and he took an elevator up. But the officers in question--that would have been Sgt. Harkness and Patrolman Hill--did not radio

their data until, respectively, 12:36 and 12:37, then went down to the depository. But even, say, 12:38 would have been wrong, because...

Fifth, at 12:44, Sawyer still seems not to have not heard from Harkness and Hill: He references no floors in the building, in fact does not reference the building at all, in his suspect description.

Sixth, Sawyer, at 12:45, radioed that he was not aware that the suspect had been in the building, though we now know that he had been told that a suspect had been seen running "from" the building. It was the dispatcher who, finally, got Sawyer onto

the scent of the depository, told him that the shooting "did come from about the 5th or 4th floor" (CE 1974 p171) But Sawyer's entry into the building perhaps has to be pushed out even further, to no earlier than about 12:52, because...

Perhaps this timing confusion for Sawyer's presence has to do with the Dispatcher calling Sgt. Owens from Oak Cliff so that he can be in charge at the TSBD. At 12:47 the Dispatcher dispatches Owens, and shortly after that he says that Owens will be

in charge (when he gets there). The trouble with this is that Inspector Sawyer, who outranks Owens, already is in charge, and the Dispatcher already knows that. Owens is being taken out of Oak Cliff so that he doesn't mess up the 10th Street operation.
So perhaps Sawyer has been briefed to make his arrival time hazy so that nobody notices that there was no legitimate reason for the Dispatcher to take Owens out of Oak Cliff.

Seventh, the "couple of officers" with whom Sawyer says he entered the building must have been Sgt. Gerald Hill and Patrolman James Valentine (Hill/v7p45)--and they were only radioing, at 12:48 (DPD radio logs), that they were "en route Elm &

Houston". The two were the only officers who claimed to have gone in with him.

Did Valentine ever make that claim? Did anybody other than Gerry Hill ever say anything about Gerry being at the TSBD?

Yes. I forgot about it--one of the three guys who snapped Hill at the window talked about it too.

dcw

So, Sawyer was, initially, some 20 minutes off on his entry time, though he had testified that he was down & out of the TSBD by 12:37. (v6p320)

As Claviger has said (on the old alt.assassination.jfk), Where the hell was Sawyer for those 20 minutes? He was apparently, for at least part of that time, talking to a witness who saw someone run out of the depository--out the back apparently--the

witness who gave him the suspect description, radioed in by Sawyer at 12:44, the description generally--and obviously incorrectly--attributed to witness Howard Brennan, who provided, never at all believably, a height and weight estimate of a suspect seen
on an upper floor of the depository. A suspect whom he thought was standing as he shot. Gamely, poor Brennan went along with the DPD ruse.

Eighth: Here is Sawyer, at the hearings, quoting--not entirely accurately--his 1:11 radio transmission, "We have found empty rifle hulls on the fifth floor." (v6p322) But even that correct-sounding quote from Sawyer is incorrect. From "Pictures of

the Pain (p523): Sawyer, at 1:11: "On the third [sic] floor of this book company down here, we found empty rifle hulls." (from Trask's transcription of an audio tape of the DPD radio logs. See also the FBI transcription of the radio logs for that curious
"3rd floor".) (CE 1974p176) Sawyer was testifying, falsely, in concert with Sgt. G.D. Henslee's transcription of the logs (Sawyer Exhibit B p400): "We have found empty rifle hulls on the fifth floor..." A double DPD ruse by Sawyer and Henslee...

The DPD invoked the fifth floor rather than the third because, I think--as everyone knows--the fifth was often confused with the sixth, at least from the outside of the building. So "fifth" could be brushed off as a harmless confusion of floors.

But "third", not so much. Certainly, "third" could not be interpreted as "sixth", from any point of view or angle--although it could be interpreted as "third floor from the top", or... "fifth". In fact, Sawyer elsewhere told reporters, "Police found the
remains of fried chicken and paper on the fifth floor." ([AP] Stockton [CA] Record 11/22/63 p8/And a tip of the hat to Walt Cakebread.) And if Sawyer, as has been shown, did not enter the depository until about 12:52, and achieved, at least, the fifth
floor, in his search, then he might have been there, in person, when the hulls were found, or just after they were found, on an upper floor of the building.

Why would Sawyer testify, falsely, re both times and floor numbers? Why would he seem to be frantic to get himself into the building so early--initially, about 12:32! Why would Sawyer and Henslee want to avoid any mention of the phrase "third floor"

?

Ninth: Yes, sometimes it's what DPD witnesses omit rather than what they include that's the key. The Sawyer song-and-dance: "The elevator was just to the right of the main entrance, and we went to the top floor... which was pointed out to me by

this other man as being the floor... [that] he had talked about" with the officers at the scene--"the fifth floor". (v6p317) But that was a freight elevator which only went up as high as the fourth floor. Sawyer--what a maroon. But a useful maroon.

Meanwhile, Hill's complementary song-and-dance: "We went up to the seventh floor... and these two deputies and I went down to [the] sixth." (v7p46) So, Sawyer went to the fourth floor, and Hill went to the seventh, then down to the sixth, for him

the "Eureka!" floor. Yes, they maintained--by omission--that they scrupulously avoided the fifth floor. But--suckers!--there was, you'll recall, a third member on their little foray, Patrolman Valentine, who later noted that, at the depository, he was "
assigned to the fifth floor." (v25p914) And there are photos of Valentine standing around on what has been represented (for the rifle find) as the sixth floor. But, either way, that means that the Sawyer gaggle got as high as the fifth.

dcw

Reporte/photographer Steve Pieringer did say that he saw that he saw Gerry in a window. I think he's the only one. Dead at the age of 27.

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