CTs like to argue that ER doctors in a big city hospital would likely have lots ofCorbett reveals his depravity here by dismissing experts who don't say what he wants to hear.
experience treating victims of gunshot wounds and that much is true. It does not follow that they would be able to distinguish an entrance wound from an exit wound. For starters, most gunshot victims are shot by handguns. While
full metal jacket bullets are available for handguns, they are most commonly used for recreational and competition shooting. They are not the best choice for self defense and not normally used in criminal activity. Soft lead and hollow point ammo is most often used for those purposes. Such bullets
deform on impact, even when hitting soft tissue. They are also less likely to exit the body as was the case with the round Jack Ruby fired into Oswald. When such ammo does exit a body, it will be deformed and is not going to produce a neat, round exit wound like a full metal jacket bullet would. It is
therefore not surprising that the ER team would believe the neat round bullet hole in JFK's throat was an entrance wound because they likely had little to no experience with exit wound produced by FMJ bullets.
CTs like to argue that ER doctors in a big city hospital would likely have lots of
experience treating victims of gunshot wounds and that much is true. It does not follow that they would be able to distinguish an entrance wound from an exit wound.
It is therefore not surprising that the ER team would believe the neat round
bullet hole in JFK's throat was an entrance wound because they likely had little to no experience with exit wound produced by FMJ bullets.
Corbett reveals his depravity here by dismissing experts who don't say what he wants to hear.
On Thursday, November 23, 2023 at 12:27:19 AM UTC-5, JE Corbett wrote:
CTs like to argue that ER doctors in a big city hospital would likely have lots ofSource ?
experience treating victims of gunshot wounds and that much is true. It does
not follow that they would be able to distinguish an entrance wound from an exit wound.
It is therefore not surprising that the ER team would believe the neat roundReally ? Did any of these doctors serve in the military during World War II ?
bullet hole in JFK's throat was an entrance wound because they likely had little to no experience with exit wound produced by FMJ bullets.
Was WWII fought with soft rounds fired from handguns ?
They "had little to no experience with exit wounds produced by FMJ bullets" ?
Wanna try that again ?
You claim that Governor Connally's wounds were made by CE 399, a FMJ bullet.
Did these doctors who you claim "had little to no experience with exit wounds produced by FMJ bullets" correctly identify
the entrance and exit wounds on Governor Connally ?
Idiot.
On Thursday, November 23, 2023 at 12:27:19 AM UTC-5, JE Corbett wrote:
CTs like to argue that ER doctors in a big city hospital would likely have lots ofCorbett reveals his depravity here by dismissing experts who don't say what he wants to hear.
experience treating victims of gunshot wounds and that much is true. It does
not follow that they would be able to distinguish an entrance wound from an exit wound. For starters, most gunshot victims are shot by handguns. While
full metal jacket bullets are available for handguns, they are most commonly
used for recreational and competition shooting. They are not the best choice
for self defense and not normally used in criminal activity. Soft lead and hollow point ammo is most often used for those purposes. Such bullets deform on impact, even when hitting soft tissue. They are also less likely to exit the body as was the case with the round Jack Ruby fired into Oswald.
When such ammo does exit a body, it will be deformed and is not going to produce a neat, round exit wound like a full metal jacket bullet would. It is
therefore not surprising that the ER team would believe the neat round bullet hole in JFK's throat was an entrance wound because they likely had little to no experience with exit wound produced by FMJ bullets.
On Thursday, November 23, 2023 at 1:28:25 AM UTC-5, NoTrueFlags Here wrote:
Corbett reveals his depravity here by dismissing experts who don't say what he wants to hear.He's a fucking idiot. And every time he posts he proves it.
On Thursday, November 23, 2023 at 1:28:25 AM UTC-5, NoTrueFlags Here wrote:Isn't it about time you smeared some Alpo on your ass and visit Corbett's dogs?
On Thursday, November 23, 2023 at 12:27:19 AM UTC-5, JE Corbett wrote:What experts are you talking about?
CTs like to argue that ER doctors in a big city hospital would likely have lots ofCorbett reveals his depravity here by dismissing experts who don't say what he wants to hear.
experience treating victims of gunshot wounds and that much is true. It does
not follow that they would be able to distinguish an entrance wound from an exit wound. For starters, most gunshot victims are shot by handguns. While
full metal jacket bullets are available for handguns, they are most commonly
used for recreational and competition shooting. They are not the best choice
for self defense and not normally used in criminal activity. Soft lead and
hollow point ammo is most often used for those purposes. Such bullets deform on impact, even when hitting soft tissue. They are also less likely
to exit the body as was the case with the round Jack Ruby fired into Oswald.
When such ammo does exit a body, it will be deformed and is not going to produce a neat, round exit wound like a full metal jacket bullet would. It is
therefore not surprising that the ER team would believe the neat round bullet hole in JFK's throat was an entrance wound because they likely had
little to no experience with exit wound produced by FMJ bullets.
He is applying reasoning to information, and that is like fingernails on a blackboard to you.
In the most common gunshot wounds they would be familiar with, the entrances and exits would be easily discernable to just about anyone.
You have the doctors doing what actual experts with training in the proper fields (wound ballistic experts or forensic experts) would never do, make a determination at a glance without a proper examination.
On Thursday, November 23, 2023 at 4:43:44 AM UTC-5, Gil Jesus wrote:
Did these doctors who you claim "had little to no experience with exit wounds produced by FMJ bullets" correctly identifyThis isn`t what doctors do.
the entrance and exit wounds on Governor Connally ?
On Thursday, November 23, 2023 at 5:35:34 AM UTC-5, Bud wrote:
He is applying reasoning to information, and that is like fingernails on a blackboard to you.What reasoning ?
I've already called him on it.
In the most common gunshot wounds they would be familiar with, the entrances and exits would be easily discernable to just about anyone.Then what's the problem ?
You have the doctors doing what actual experts with training in the proper fields (wound ballistic experts or forensic experts) would never do, make a determination at a glance without a proper examination.Doctors have to determine which way the bullet was travelling in order to determine which internal organs were struck.
Even if they didn't have experience in exit wounds, they sure as hell had experience in ENTRANCE wounds.
Nurse Margaret Henchliffe testified that, "we take care of a lot of bullet wounds down there." ( 6 H 141 )
Dr. Charles Gregory testified that, "here at the Parkland Hospital in Dallas, our service has attended a considerable amount of such injuries."
He added that personally, he had experience with "approximately 500 such missile wounds." ( 6 H 96 )
The point that Corbett tries to make that the doctors didn't know what an exit wound looked like is laughable.
He's implying that they considered every wound an entrance wound. But he offers no proof to back up that claim.
They didn't describe the wound as an exit wound.
They described it as an ENTRANCE wound. And they had plenty of experience with those.
These doctors were experienced in gunshot wounds and knew what an entrance wound looked like.
And the fact is that you can't refute that.
On Thursday, November 23, 2023 at 12:27:19 AM UTC-5, JE Corbett wrote:
CTs like to argue that ER doctors in a big city hospital would likely have lots ofSource ?
experience treating victims of gunshot wounds and that much is true. It does
not follow that they would be able to distinguish an entrance wound from an exit wound.
It is therefore not surprising that the ER team would believe the neat round
bullet hole in JFK's throat was an entrance wound because they likely had little to no experience with exit wound produced by FMJ bullets.
Really ? Did any of these doctors serve in the military during World War II ?
Was WWII fought with soft rounds fired from handguns ?
They "had little to no experience with exit wounds produced by FMJ bullets" ?
Wanna try that again ?
You claim that Governor Connally's wounds were made by CE 399, a FMJ bullet.
Did these doctors who you claim "had little to no experience with exit wounds produced by FMJ bullets" correctly identify
the entrance and exit wounds on Governor Connally ?
Idiot.
On Thursday, November 23, 2023 at 5:35:34 AM UTC-5, Bud wrote:
He is applying reasoning to information, and that is like fingernails on a blackboard to you.What reasoning ? I've already called him on it.
In the most common gunshot wounds they would be familiar with, the entrances and exits would be easily discernable to just about anyone.Then what's the problem ?
You have the doctors doing what actual experts with training in the proper fields (wound ballistic experts or forensic experts) would never do, make a determination at a glance without a proper examination.Doctors have to determine which way the bullet was travelling in order to determine which internal organs were struck.
Even if they didn't have experience in exit wounds, they sure as hell had experience in ENTRANCE wounds.
Nurse Margaret Henchliffe testified that, "we take care of a lot of bullet wounds down there." ( 6 H 141 )
Dr. Charles Gregory testified that, "here at the Parkland Hospital in Dallas, our service has attended a considerable amount of such injuries."
He added that personally, he had experience with "approximately 500 such missile wounds." ( 6 H 96 )
The point that Corbett tries to make that the doctors didn't know what an exit wound looked like is laughable.
He's implying that they considered every wound an entrance wound. But he offers no proof to back up that claim.
They didn't describe the wound as an exit wound.
They described it as an ENTRANCE wound. And they had plenty of experience with those.
These doctors were experienced in gunshot wounds and knew what an entrance wound looked like.
And the fact is that you can't refute that.
On Thursday, November 23, 2023 at 6:36:11 AM UTC-5, Gil Jesus wrote:
On Thursday, November 23, 2023 at 5:35:34 AM UTC-5, Bud wrote:I know, you see reasoning like dogs see color.
He is applying reasoning to information, and that is like fingernails on a blackboard to you.What reasoning ?
I've already called him on it.
Read what Corbett wrote for comprehension. This was atypical ammunition fired from an atypical weapon.In the most common gunshot wounds they would be familiar with, the entrances and exits would be easily discernable to just about anyone.Then what's the problem ?
You`re a fucking idiot. What bearing could the direction the bullet was traveling have on what organs are hit? You can shoot someone in the heart from the front or back.You have the doctors doing what actual experts with training in the proper fields (wound ballistic experts or forensic experts) would never do, make a determination at a glance without a proper examination.Doctors have to determine which way the bullet was travelling in order to determine which internal organs were struck.
Even if they didn't have experience in exit wounds, they sure as hell had experience in ENTRANCE wounds.You`re a fucking idiot. Experience doesn`t necessarily translate into expertise. I can go to the zoo every day and look at elephants, that won`t make me an expert on elephants. I may pick up a thing or two, but that wouldn`t make me an expert.
Nurse Margaret Henchliffe testified that, "we take care of a lot of bullet wounds down there." ( 6 H 141 )They *treat* them.
Exactly what examination did they perform to determine the "ins" and "outs" of the wounds? And how would this information aid them in treating those wounds?
Dr. Charles Gregory testified that, "here at the Parkland Hospital in Dallas, our service has attended a considerable amount of such injuries."I`ve seen a million cars. I`m not a mechanic. I`ve put in maybe a dozen toilets, but I`m not a plumber.
He added that personally, he had experience with "approximately 500 such missile wounds." ( 6 H 96 )
I`ve quoted Parkland doctors testifying that they are not experts in the relevant fields many times, you idiots just ignore inconvenient information.
From six years ago...
Senator COOPER - I would just ask this question. In your long experience
of treating wounds, you said some 500 wounds caused by bullets, have you acquired, through that. knowledge of ballistics and characteristics of bullets?
Dr. GREGORY - Within a very limited sphere.
He realizes that just seeing a great deal of bullet holes doesn`t convey a great deal of knowledge of wound ballistics.
And Dr Shaw had this to say...
Dr. SHAW - No; Senator. I believe that my information about ballistics
is just that of an average layman, no more.
He also realizes that wound ballistics is a completely different field than his.
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.conspiracy.jfk/c/uki0CzP23cU/m/-cPt_SgACwAJ
The point that Corbett tries to make that the doctors didn't know what an exit wound looked like is laughable.You are too stupid to understand the point he was making. It wasn`t what your mind twisted it into.
His point was that this wasn`t the usual bullet wounds they would commonly see, giving even more reason (as if any more was necessary) to disregard their assessments about "ins and outs".
He's implying that they considered every wound an entrance wound. But he offers no proof to back up that claim.The claim you made up that he never made?
They didn't describe the wound as an exit wound.The wound as they described it could very well be an exit wound, if it was a full metal round that wasn`t distorted.
They described it as an ENTRANCE wound. And they had plenty of experience with those.They had no expertise in the relevant fields. Can you show that this is something that is taught in medical school to aspiring doctors? Why would they fill their heads up with something that doesn`t help them treat wounds?
These doctors were experienced in gunshot wounds and knew what an entrance wound looked like.And what is the batting average of the Parkland doctors on their assessments of entrances and exits, how often where they right and how often were they wrong?
And the fact is that you can't refute that.We can do what you cannot, look at it correctly.
On Friday, November 24, 2023 at 8:18:32 AM UTC-5, JE Corbett wrote:
< his usual bullshit comments with no evidence >
You admit that the exit wounds in the test were only "slightly larger " than the entrance wounds.
According to the autopsy report, the entrance wound in the President's back was measured at 7 mm. ( 16 H 980 )
How large was the exit wound in the President's throat ?
On Thursday, November 23, 2023 at 7:30:41 AM UTC-5, Bud wrote:
< his usual bullshit of insults, comments, speculation and answering questions with questions >
Corbett said that the Dallas doctors misidentified the throat wound as an entrance wound because "they likely had little to no experience with exit wound produced by FMJ bullets."
His words, not mine.
Neither one of you has produced any evidence to prove that was so.
That statement is the result of sound reasoning so it is not surprising you are unable to follow along. Almost all gunshotvictims in urban areas are shot by handguns. The people who shoot these victims are cops, criminals, and those firing in self
The tests done for the Warren Commission showed that the Western Cartridge bullet was unstable on exit.to 14 1/2 centimeters of horsemeat and/or goatmeat. They covered that with goatskin to simulate the President’s skin and covered that with a suit coat, a tie and a shirt over the entrance side only. ( 5 H 77 )
They showed that a bullet travelling through the President’s neck would have been already tumbling before it exited.
The expert who gave the testimony was Dr. Alfred Olivier, the Chief of the Wounds Ballistics Brach of the Dept. of the Army. His group fired rifle CE 139 using Western Cartridge 6.5 ammo lot # 6000. They simulated the President’s neck by using 13 1/2
Commission Exhibit 850 is the result of the 6.5 ammo’s effect on entering and exiting skin.entrance hole in Kennedy's back.
https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh17/html/WH_Vol17_0436b.htm
As you can see, the exit holes were much larger than the entrance holes, regardless of their shape, further evidence that a 3-5 mm hole in the throat described by the Dallas doctors could not have been made on exit by this ammunition which made a 7 mm
Which means the throat wound was NOT a wound of exit. The Warren Commission's own tests proved that.
You and Corbett are the fucking idiots who can't provide proof for your argument, not me.
As is your custom, when faced with inconvenient facts for which you have no rebuttal, you resort to diversion by raising
asinine questions.
It was never measured, dumbass.
On Friday, November 24, 2023 at 9:09:36 AM UTC-5, JE Corbett wrote:
As is your custom, when faced with inconvenient facts for which you have no rebuttal, you resort to diversion by raisingI've rebutted everything you've said.
asinine questions.
It's all here:
https://gil-jesus.com/wound-of-entry/
On Friday, November 24, 2023 at 9:09:36 AM UTC-5, JE Corbett wrote:
As is your custom, when faced with inconvenient facts for which you have no rebuttal, you resort to diversion by raisingI've rebutted everything you've said.
asinine questions.
It's all here:
https://gil-jesus.com/wound-of-entry/
On Friday, November 24, 2023 at 9:09:36 AM UTC-5, JE Corbett wrote:
It was never measured, dumbass.Then how do you know it was an exit wound, dumbass ?
How do you get off saying it's an exit wound without even knowing if it's larger than the entrance wound ?
On Thursday, November 23, 2023 at 7:30:41 AM UTC-5, Bud wrote:
< his usual bullshit of insults, comments, speculation and answering questions with questions >
Corbett said that the Dallas doctors misidentified the throat wound as an entrance wound because "they likely had little to no experience with exit wound produced by FMJ bullets."
His words, not mine.
Neither one of you has produced any evidence to prove that was so.
The tests done for the Warren Commission showed that the Western Cartridge bullet was unstable on exit.
They showed that a bullet travelling through the President’s neck would have been already tumbling before it exited.
The expert who gave the testimony was Dr. Alfred Olivier, the Chief of the Wounds Ballistics Brach of the Dept. of the Army. His group fired rifle CE 139 using Western Cartridge 6.5 ammo lot # 6000. They simulated the President’s neck by using 13 1/2to 14 1/2 centimeters of horsemeat and/or goatmeat. They covered that with goatskin to simulate the President’s skin and covered that with a suit coat, a tie and a shirt over the entrance side only. ( 5 H 77 )
Commission Exhibit 850 is the result of the 6.5 ammo’s effect on entering and exiting skin.entrance hole in Kennedy's back.
https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh17/html/WH_Vol17_0436b.htm
As you can see, the exit holes were much larger than the entrance holes, regardless of their shape, further evidence that a 3-5 mm hole in the throat described by the Dallas doctors could not have been made on exit by this ammunition which made a 7 mm
Which means the throat wound was NOT a wound of exit. The Warren Commission's own tests proved that.
You and Corbett are the fucking idiots who can't provide proof for your argument, not me.
On Thursday, November 23, 2023 at 12:27:19 AM UTC-5, JE Corbett wrote:
CTs like to argue that ER doctors in a big city hospital would likely have lots of
experience treating victims of gunshot wounds and that much is true. It does
not follow that they would be able to distinguish an entrance wound from an exit wound.
Source ?
It is therefore not surprising that the ER team would believe the neat round
bullet hole in JFK's throat was an entrance wound because they likely had little to no experience with exit wound produced by FMJ bullets.
Really ? Did any of these doctors serve in the military during World War II ?
Was WWII fought with soft rounds fired from handguns ?
They "had little to no experience with exit wounds produced by FMJ bullets" ?
Wanna try that again ?
You claim that Governor Connally's wounds were made by CE 399, a FMJ bullet.
Did these doctors who you claim "had little to no experience with exit wounds produced by FMJ bullets" correctly identify
the entrance and exit wounds on Governor Connally ?
On Thursday, November 23, 2023 at 7:30:41 AM UTC-5, Bud wrote:to 14 1/2 centimeters of horsemeat and/or goatmeat. They covered that with goatskin to simulate the President’s skin and covered that with a suit coat, a tie and a shirt over the entrance side only. ( 5 H 77 )
< his usual bullshit of insults, comments, speculation and answering questions with questions >
Corbett said that the Dallas doctors misidentified the throat wound as an entrance wound because "they likely had little to no experience with exit wound produced by FMJ bullets."
His words, not mine.
Neither one of you has produced any evidence to prove that was so.
The tests done for the Warren Commission showed that the Western Cartridge bullet was unstable on exit.
They showed that a bullet travelling through the President’s neck would have been already tumbling before it exited.
The expert who gave the testimony was Dr. Alfred Olivier, the Chief of the Wounds Ballistics Brach of the Dept. of the Army. His group fired rifle CE 139 using Western Cartridge 6.5 ammo lot # 6000. They simulated the President’s neck by using 13 1/2
Commission Exhibit 850 is the result of the 6.5 ammo’s effect on entering and exiting skin.entrance hole in Kennedy's back.
https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh17/html/WH_Vol17_0436b.htm
As you can see, the exit holes were much larger than the entrance holes, regardless of their shape, further evidence that a 3-5 mm hole in the throat described by the Dallas doctors could not have been made on exit by this ammunition which made a 7 mm
Which means the throat wound was NOT a wound of exit. The Warren Commission's own tests proved that.
On Friday, November 24, 2023 at 3:46:28 AM UTC-6, Gil Jesus wrote:2 to 14 1/2 centimeters of horsemeat and/or goatmeat. They covered that with goatskin to simulate the President’s skin and covered that with a suit coat, a tie and a shirt over the entrance side only. ( 5 H 77 )
On Thursday, November 23, 2023 at 7:30:41 AM UTC-5, Bud wrote:
< his usual bullshit of insults, comments, speculation and answering questions with questions >
Corbett said that the Dallas doctors misidentified the throat wound as an entrance wound because "they likely had little to no experience with exit wound produced by FMJ bullets."
His words, not mine.
Neither one of you has produced any evidence to prove that was so.
The tests done for the Warren Commission showed that the Western Cartridge bullet was unstable on exit.
They showed that a bullet travelling through the President’s neck would have been already tumbling before it exited.
The expert who gave the testimony was Dr. Alfred Olivier, the Chief of the Wounds Ballistics Brach of the Dept. of the Army. His group fired rifle CE 139 using Western Cartridge 6.5 ammo lot # 6000. They simulated the President’s neck by using 13 1/
mm entrance hole in Kennedy's back.Commission Exhibit 850 is the result of the 6.5 ammo’s effect on entering and exiting skin.
https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh17/html/WH_Vol17_0436b.htm
As you can see, the exit holes were much larger than the entrance holes, regardless of their shape, further evidence that a 3-5 mm hole in the throat described by the Dallas doctors could not have been made on exit by this ammunition which made a 7
Goat meat is neither. The hollow rigidity of the trachea is going to greatly reduce cavitation at the exit, which is going to reduce the amount of tensile failure at the exit quite a bit. More importantly, the bullet exited just below the collar band.Which means the throat wound was NOT a wound of exit. The Warren Commission's own tests proved that.The 3-5mm number is an estimate by Perry ascertained by eyeballing the thing. How good is he at measuring using a Mk I eyeball?
That being said, the Edgewood Arsenal tests weren't set up to test the throat exit very well. The first thing I should mention is that the last organ that the bullet passed through before leaving was JFK's trachea. The trachea is both rigid and hollow.
Lattimer demonstrated the effects of exit shoring in his book Kennedy and Lincoln. The shored exits he got were *very* small.
On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 10:23:28 PM UTC-5, recip...@gmail.com wrote:1/2 to 14 1/2 centimeters of horsemeat and/or goatmeat. They covered that with goatskin to simulate the President’s skin and covered that with a suit coat, a tie and a shirt over the entrance side only. ( 5 H 77 )
On Friday, November 24, 2023 at 3:46:28 AM UTC-6, Gil Jesus wrote:
On Thursday, November 23, 2023 at 7:30:41 AM UTC-5, Bud wrote:
< his usual bullshit of insults, comments, speculation and answering questions with questions >
Corbett said that the Dallas doctors misidentified the throat wound as an entrance wound because "they likely had little to no experience with exit wound produced by FMJ bullets."
His words, not mine.
Neither one of you has produced any evidence to prove that was so.
The tests done for the Warren Commission showed that the Western Cartridge bullet was unstable on exit.
They showed that a bullet travelling through the President’s neck would have been already tumbling before it exited.
The expert who gave the testimony was Dr. Alfred Olivier, the Chief of the Wounds Ballistics Brach of the Dept. of the Army. His group fired rifle CE 139 using Western Cartridge 6.5 ammo lot # 6000. They simulated the President’s neck by using 13
mm entrance hole in Kennedy's back.Commission Exhibit 850 is the result of the 6.5 ammo’s effect on entering and exiting skin.
https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh17/html/WH_Vol17_0436b.htm
As you can see, the exit holes were much larger than the entrance holes, regardless of their shape, further evidence that a 3-5 mm hole in the throat described by the Dallas doctors could not have been made on exit by this ammunition which made a 7
hollow. Goat meat is neither. The hollow rigidity of the trachea is going to greatly reduce cavitation at the exit, which is going to reduce the amount of tensile failure at the exit quite a bit. More importantly, the bullet exited just below the collarWhich means the throat wound was NOT a wound of exit. The Warren Commission's own tests proved that.The 3-5mm number is an estimate by Perry ascertained by eyeballing the thing. How good is he at measuring using a Mk I eyeball?
That being said, the Edgewood Arsenal tests weren't set up to test the throat exit very well. The first thing I should mention is that the last organ that the bullet passed through before leaving was JFK's trachea. The trachea is both rigid and
denigrate him as a “piss doctor”, because his post-war specialty was urology. They never think to mention the specialties of the doctors who saw JFK’s neck wound before the tracheostomy was performed.Lattimer demonstrated the effects of exit shoring in his book Kennedy and Lincoln. The shored exits he got were *very* small.And remember that Lattimer served on the front lines in WWII treating wounded soldiers:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_K._Lattimer
“During World War II, Dr. Lattimer served as an army physician and treated D-Day casualties in the field.”
Why is this important?
Gil Jesus above inquires about the military service of the doctors treating JFK and Connally.
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.conspiracy.jfk/c/GkalEbeJ__A/m/BIOZPwoZAQAJ “Did any of these doctors serve in the military during World War II ?”
Presumably, Gil meant to suggest that WWII military service treating wounded soldiers made those doctors experts in diagnosing entrance wounds from exit wounds. He doesn't establish that, he just assumes it.
But of course, because Lattimer believed Oswald was the lone gunman, generally accepted the Warren Commission’s conclusions, and also at his own expense performed experiments to test and/or demonstrate what was probable or possible, critics generally
So we see the critics double-standard once more. Dismiss for whatever reasons they can dream up experts whose opinions they disagree with, accept opinions from non-experts they agree with (or put forward their own opinions as valid).Well, of course Nutters prefer the opinions of easy chair urologists to the observations of surgeons who actually saw JFK's body at Parkland. Nutter Logic is a wondrous thing!
Well, of course Nutters prefer the opinions of easy chair urologists to the observations of surgeons who actually saw JFK's body at Parkland. Nutter Logic is a wondrous thing!
On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 12:25:37 AM UTC-5, Hank Sienzant wrote:13 1/2 to 14 1/2 centimeters of horsemeat and/or goatmeat. They covered that with goatskin to simulate the President’s skin and covered that with a suit coat, a tie and a shirt over the entrance side only. ( 5 H 77 )
On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 10:23:28 PM UTC-5, recip...@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday, November 24, 2023 at 3:46:28 AM UTC-6, Gil Jesus wrote:
On Thursday, November 23, 2023 at 7:30:41 AM UTC-5, Bud wrote:
< his usual bullshit of insults, comments, speculation and answering questions with questions >
Corbett said that the Dallas doctors misidentified the throat wound as an entrance wound because "they likely had little to no experience with exit wound produced by FMJ bullets."
His words, not mine.
Neither one of you has produced any evidence to prove that was so.
The tests done for the Warren Commission showed that the Western Cartridge bullet was unstable on exit.
They showed that a bullet travelling through the President’s neck would have been already tumbling before it exited.
The expert who gave the testimony was Dr. Alfred Olivier, the Chief of the Wounds Ballistics Brach of the Dept. of the Army. His group fired rifle CE 139 using Western Cartridge 6.5 ammo lot # 6000. They simulated the President’s neck by using
7 mm entrance hole in Kennedy's back.Commission Exhibit 850 is the result of the 6.5 ammo’s effect on entering and exiting skin.
https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh17/html/WH_Vol17_0436b.htm
As you can see, the exit holes were much larger than the entrance holes, regardless of their shape, further evidence that a 3-5 mm hole in the throat described by the Dallas doctors could not have been made on exit by this ammunition which made a
hollow. Goat meat is neither. The hollow rigidity of the trachea is going to greatly reduce cavitation at the exit, which is going to reduce the amount of tensile failure at the exit quite a bit. More importantly, the bullet exited just below the collarWhich means the throat wound was NOT a wound of exit. The Warren Commission's own tests proved that.The 3-5mm number is an estimate by Perry ascertained by eyeballing the thing. How good is he at measuring using a Mk I eyeball?
That being said, the Edgewood Arsenal tests weren't set up to test the throat exit very well. The first thing I should mention is that the last organ that the bullet passed through before leaving was JFK's trachea. The trachea is both rigid and
generally denigrate him as a “piss doctor”, because his post-war specialty was urology. They never think to mention the specialties of the doctors who saw JFK’s neck wound before the tracheostomy was performed.Lattimer demonstrated the effects of exit shoring in his book Kennedy and Lincoln. The shored exits he got were *very* small.And remember that Lattimer served on the front lines in WWII treating wounded soldiers:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_K._Lattimer
“During World War II, Dr. Lattimer served as an army physician and treated D-Day casualties in the field.”
Why is this important?
Gil Jesus above inquires about the military service of the doctors treating JFK and Connally.
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.conspiracy.jfk/c/GkalEbeJ__A/m/BIOZPwoZAQAJ
“Did any of these doctors serve in the military during World War II ?”
Presumably, Gil meant to suggest that WWII military service treating wounded soldiers made those doctors experts in diagnosing entrance wounds from exit wounds. He doesn't establish that, he just assumes it.
But of course, because Lattimer believed Oswald was the lone gunman, generally accepted the Warren Commission’s conclusions, and also at his own expense performed experiments to test and/or demonstrate what was probable or possible, critics
So we see the critics double-standard once more. Dismiss for whatever reasons they can dream up experts whose opinions they disagree with, accept opinions from non-experts they agree with (or put forward their own opinions as valid).Well, of course Nutters prefer the opinions of easy chair urologists to the observations of surgeons who actually saw JFK's body at Parkland. Nutter Logic is a wondrous thing!
On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 1:05:42 AM UTC-5, NoTrueFlags Here wrote:using 13 1/2 to 14 1/2 centimeters of horsemeat and/or goatmeat. They covered that with goatskin to simulate the President’s skin and covered that with a suit coat, a tie and a shirt over the entrance side only. ( 5 H 77 )
On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 12:25:37 AM UTC-5, Hank Sienzant wrote:
On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 10:23:28 PM UTC-5, recip...@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday, November 24, 2023 at 3:46:28 AM UTC-6, Gil Jesus wrote:
On Thursday, November 23, 2023 at 7:30:41 AM UTC-5, Bud wrote:
< his usual bullshit of insults, comments, speculation and answering questions with questions >
Corbett said that the Dallas doctors misidentified the throat wound as an entrance wound because "they likely had little to no experience with exit wound produced by FMJ bullets."
His words, not mine.
Neither one of you has produced any evidence to prove that was so.
The tests done for the Warren Commission showed that the Western Cartridge bullet was unstable on exit.
They showed that a bullet travelling through the President’s neck would have been already tumbling before it exited.
The expert who gave the testimony was Dr. Alfred Olivier, the Chief of the Wounds Ballistics Brach of the Dept. of the Army. His group fired rifle CE 139 using Western Cartridge 6.5 ammo lot # 6000. They simulated the President’s neck by
a 7 mm entrance hole in Kennedy's back.Commission Exhibit 850 is the result of the 6.5 ammo’s effect on entering and exiting skin.
https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh17/html/WH_Vol17_0436b.htm
As you can see, the exit holes were much larger than the entrance holes, regardless of their shape, further evidence that a 3-5 mm hole in the throat described by the Dallas doctors could not have been made on exit by this ammunition which made
hollow. Goat meat is neither. The hollow rigidity of the trachea is going to greatly reduce cavitation at the exit, which is going to reduce the amount of tensile failure at the exit quite a bit. More importantly, the bullet exited just below the collarWhich means the throat wound was NOT a wound of exit. The Warren Commission's own tests proved that.The 3-5mm number is an estimate by Perry ascertained by eyeballing the thing. How good is he at measuring using a Mk I eyeball?
That being said, the Edgewood Arsenal tests weren't set up to test the throat exit very well. The first thing I should mention is that the last organ that the bullet passed through before leaving was JFK's trachea. The trachea is both rigid and
generally denigrate him as a “piss doctor”, because his post-war specialty was urology. They never think to mention the specialties of the doctors who saw JFK’s neck wound before the tracheostomy was performed.Lattimer demonstrated the effects of exit shoring in his book Kennedy and Lincoln. The shored exits he got were *very* small.And remember that Lattimer served on the front lines in WWII treating wounded soldiers:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_K._Lattimer
“During World War II, Dr. Lattimer served as an army physician and treated D-Day casualties in the field.”
Why is this important?
Gil Jesus above inquires about the military service of the doctors treating JFK and Connally.
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.conspiracy.jfk/c/GkalEbeJ__A/m/BIOZPwoZAQAJ
“Did any of these doctors serve in the military during World War II ?”
Presumably, Gil meant to suggest that WWII military service treating wounded soldiers made those doctors experts in diagnosing entrance wounds from exit wounds. He doesn't establish that, he just assumes it.
But of course, because Lattimer believed Oswald was the lone gunman, generally accepted the Warren Commission’s conclusions, and also at his own expense performed experiments to test and/or demonstrate what was probable or possible, critics
than any of the doctors in Parkland. He also had a lifelong interest in the case, performing experiments designed to test the conclusions of the Commission.Strawman argument. Read again for comprehension.So we see the critics double-standard once more. Dismiss for whatever reasons they can dream up experts whose opinions they disagree with, accept opinions from non-experts they agree with (or put forward their own opinions as valid).Well, of course Nutters prefer the opinions of easy chair urologists to the observations of surgeons who actually saw JFK's body at Parkland. Nutter Logic is a wondrous thing!
What I did was compare was how conspiracy theorists like yourself treat someone who supports the Warren Commission findings versus how they treat anyone who doesn't.
You did that above, providing an excellent example of exactly what I was describing.
You denigrated Lattimer as an "easy chair urologist", neglecting to mention he was a battlefield surgeon who actually saw and treated the types of wounds caused by jacketed ammunition. As such, he was far more experienced with those kinds of wounds
So I thank you for that example. Can you think of any others?Hank, who inexplicably hates JFK, unless it's because he just loves mass murder, affirms his preference for the opinions of urologists who never even saw the patient, to surgeons who actually did treat him, at least when it confirms his ridiculous and
On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 6:38:11 AM UTC-5, Hank Sienzant wrote:than any of the doctors in Parkland.
You denigrated Lattimer as an "easy chair urologist", neglecting to mention he was a battlefield surgeon who actually saw and treated the types of wounds caused by jacketed ammunition. As such, he was far more experienced with those kinds of wounds
Really ? What's the connection between urology and gunshot wounds ?Well, Hank might have a point. Anybody who can stick his finger up your ass and tell you whether or not you have cancer, must have some kind of magical powers.
He also had a lifelong interest in the case, performing experiments designed to test the conclusions of the Commission.Your "expert" Lattimer also participated in a phony display for the BBC/ABC of how Oswald could have fired three shots in 8.5 seconds by dry firing a rifle at a stationary spot on the wall.
Completely bogus.
https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/media-lies.mp4
In your world, a Urologist is an expert on weapons and gunshot wounds, but the opinion of an expert in his field, like forensic pathologist Cyril Wecht, isn't worth shit.
That's just brilliant, Hank.
You denigrated Lattimer as an "easy chair urologist", neglecting to mention he was a battlefield surgeon who actually saw and treated the types of wounds caused by jacketed ammunition. As such, he was far more experienced with those kinds of woundsthan any of the doctors in Parkland.
He also had a lifelong interest in the case, performing experiments designed to test the conclusions of the Commission.
Well, Hank might have a point. Anybody who can stick his finger up your ass and tell you whether or not you have cancer, must have some kind of magical powers.
On Friday, November 24, 2023 at 3:46:28 AM UTC-6, Gil Jesus wrote:2 to 14 1/2 centimeters of horsemeat and/or goatmeat. They covered that with goatskin to simulate the President’s skin and covered that with a suit coat, a tie and a shirt over the entrance side only. ( 5 H 77 )
On Thursday, November 23, 2023 at 7:30:41 AM UTC-5, Bud wrote:
< his usual bullshit of insults, comments, speculation and answering questions with questions >
Corbett said that the Dallas doctors misidentified the throat wound as an entrance wound because "they likely had little to no experience with exit wound produced by FMJ bullets."
His words, not mine.
Neither one of you has produced any evidence to prove that was so.
The tests done for the Warren Commission showed that the Western Cartridge bullet was unstable on exit.
They showed that a bullet travelling through the President’s neck would have been already tumbling before it exited.
The expert who gave the testimony was Dr. Alfred Olivier, the Chief of the Wounds Ballistics Brach of the Dept. of the Army. His group fired rifle CE 139 using Western Cartridge 6.5 ammo lot # 6000. They simulated the President’s neck by using 13 1/
mm entrance hole in Kennedy's back.Commission Exhibit 850 is the result of the 6.5 ammo’s effect on entering and exiting skin.
https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh17/html/WH_Vol17_0436b.htm
As you can see, the exit holes were much larger than the entrance holes, regardless of their shape, further evidence that a 3-5 mm hole in the throat described by the Dallas doctors could not have been made on exit by this ammunition which made a 7
Which means the throat wound was NOT a wound of exit. The Warren Commission's own tests proved that.The 3-5mm number is an estimate by Perry ascertained by eyeballing the thing. How good is he at measuring using a Mk I eyeball?
That being said, the Edgewood Arsenal tests weren't set up to test the throat exit very well. The first thing I should mention is that the last organ that the bullet passed through before leaving was JFK's trachea. The trachea is both rigid and hollow.Goat meat is neither. The hollow rigidity of the trachea is going to greatly reduce cavitation at the exit, which is going to reduce the amount of tensile failure at the exit quite a bit. More importantly, the bullet exited just below the collar band.
Lattimer demonstrated the effects of exit shoring in his book Kennedy and Lincoln. The shored exits he got were *very* small.
On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 6:38:11 AM UTC-5, Hank Sienzant wrote:than any of the doctors in Parkland.
You denigrated Lattimer as an "easy chair urologist", neglecting to mention he was a battlefield surgeon who actually saw and treated the types of wounds caused by jacketed ammunition. As such, he was far more experienced with those kinds of wounds
Really ? What's the connection between urology and gunshot wounds ?
He also had a lifelong interest in the case, performing experiments designed to test the conclusions of the Commission.Your "expert" Lattimer also participated in a phony display for the BBC/ABC of how Oswald could have fired three shots in 8.5 seconds by dry firing a rifle at a stationary spot on the wall.
Completely bogus.
https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/media-lies.mp4
In your world, a Urologist is an expert on weapons and gunshot wounds, but the opinion of an expert in his field, like forensic pathologist Cyril Wecht, isn't worth shit.
That's just brilliant, Hank.
On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 6:38:11 AM UTC-5, Hank Sienzant wrote:than any of the doctors in Parkland.
You denigrated Lattimer as an "easy chair urologist", neglecting to mention he was a battlefield surgeon who actually saw and treated the types of wounds caused by jacketed ammunition. As such, he was far more experienced with those kinds of wounds
Really ? What's the connection between urology and gunshot wounds ?
On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 8:07:18 AM UTC-5, NoTrueFlags Here wrote:
Well, Hank might have a point. Anybody who can stick his finger up your ass and tell you whether or not you have cancer, must have some kind of magical powers.Maybe Hank knows something we don't know, like maybe Kennedy got shot in the penis.
Maybe Lattimer had massive experience treating gunshot wounds of the penis. Then I would consider him an expert in gunshot wounds of the penis.
On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 6:38:11 AM UTC-5, Hank Sienzant wrote:than any of the doctors in Parkland.
You denigrated Lattimer as an "easy chair urologist", neglecting to mention he was a battlefield surgeon who actually saw and treated the types of wounds caused by jacketed ammunition. As such, he was far more experienced with those kinds of wounds
Really ? What's the connection between urology and gunshot wounds ?
He also had a lifelong interest in the case, performing experiments designed to test the conclusions of the Commission.Your "expert" Lattimer also participated in a phony display for the BBC/ABC of how Oswald could have fired three shots in 8.5 seconds by dry firing a rifle at a stationary spot on the wall.
Completely bogus.
https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/media-lies.mp4
In your world, a Urologist is an expert on weapons and gunshot wounds, but the opinion of an expert in his field, like forensic pathologist Cyril Wecht, isn't worth shit.
That's just brilliant, Hank.
On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 6:38:11 AM UTC-5, Hank Sienzant wrote:than any of the doctors in Parkland.
You denigrated Lattimer as an "easy chair urologist", neglecting to mention he was a battlefield surgeon who actually saw and treated the types of wounds caused by jacketed ammunition. As such, he was far more experienced with those kinds of wounds
Really ? What's the connection between urology and gunshot wounds ?
He also had a lifelong interest in the case, performing experiments designed to test the conclusions of the Commission.Your "expert" Lattimer also participated in a phony display for the BBC/ABC of how Oswald could have fired three shots in 8.5 seconds by dry firing a rifle at a stationary spot on the wall.
Completely bogus.
https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/media-lies.mp4
In your world, a Urologist is an expert on weapons and gunshot wounds, but the opinion of an expert in his field, like forensic pathologist Cyril Wecht, isn't worth shit.
That's just brilliant, Hank.
A very thorough job of demolishing the idiotic Giltardo's suggestions. Two thumbs up.
On Friday, November 24, 2023 at 9:43:38?AM UTC-5, Gil Jesus wrote:
On Friday, November 24, 2023 at 9:09:36?AM UTC-5, JE Corbett wrote:
I've rebutted everything you've said.
As is your custom, when faced with inconvenient facts for which you have no rebuttal, you resort to diversion by raising
asinine questions.
It's all here:
https://gil-jesus.com/wound-of-entry/
My primary argument ...
On Friday, November 24, 2023 at 9:42:21?AM UTC-5, Gil Jesus wrote:
On Friday, November 24, 2023 at 9:09:36?AM UTC-5, JE Corbett wrote:
It was never measured, dumbass.Then how do you know it was an exit wound, dumbass ?
On Thursday, November 23, 2023 at 4:43:44?AM UTC-5, Gil Jesus wrote:
On Thursday, November 23, 2023 at 12:27:19?AM UTC-5, JE Corbett wrote:
CTs like to argue that ER doctors in a big city hospital would likely have lots ofSource ?
experience treating victims of gunshot wounds and that much is true. It does
not follow that they would be able to distinguish an entrance wound from an exit wound.
This requires reasoning...
On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 10:23:28?PM UTC-5, recip...@gmail.com wrote: >> On Friday, November 24, 2023 at 3:46:28?AM UTC-6, Gil Jesus wrote:to 14 1/2 centimeters of horsemeat and/or goatmeat. They covered that with goatskin to simulate the Presidents skin and covered that with a suit coat, a tie and a shirt over the entrance side only. ( 5 H 77 )
On Thursday, November 23, 2023 at 7:30:41?AM UTC-5, Bud wrote:
< his usual bullshit of insults, comments, speculation and answering questions with questions >
Corbett said that the Dallas doctors misidentified the throat wound as an entrance wound because "they likely had little to no experience with exit wound produced by FMJ bullets."
His words, not mine.
Neither one of you has produced any evidence to prove that was so.
The tests done for the Warren Commission showed that the Western Cartridge bullet was unstable on exit.
They showed that a bullet travelling through the Presidents neck would have been already tumbling before it exited.
The expert who gave the testimony was Dr. Alfred Olivier, the Chief of the Wounds Ballistics Brach of the Dept. of the Army. His group fired rifle CE 139 using Western Cartridge 6.5 ammo lot # 6000. They simulated the Presidents neck by using 13 1/2
mm entrance hole in Kennedy's back.
Commission Exhibit 850 is the result of the 6.5 ammos effect on entering and exiting skin.
https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh17/html/WH_Vol17_0436b.htm
As you can see, the exit holes were much larger than the entrance holes, regardless of their shape, further evidence that a 3-5 mm hole in the throat described by the Dallas doctors could not have been made on exit by this ammunition which made a 7
The 3-5mm number is an estimate by Perry ascertained by eyeballing the thing. How good is he at measuring using a Mk I eyeball?
Which means the throat wound was NOT a wound of exit. The Warren Commission's own tests proved that.
Especially given that blood was still oozing from the wound.
Goat meat is neither. The hollow rigidity of the trachea is going to greatly reduce cavitation at the exit, which is going to reduce the amount of tensile failure at the exit quite a bit. More importantly, the bullet exited just below the collar band.That being said, the Edgewood Arsenal tests weren't set up to test the throat exit very well. The first thing I should mention is that the last organ that the bullet passed through before leaving was JFK's trachea. The trachea is both rigid and hollow.
Lattimer demonstrated the effects of exit shoring in his book Kennedy and Lincoln. The shored exits he got were *very* small.
Stop confusing Gitardo with facts. It make his head hurt.
On Friday, November 24, 2023 at 8:39:32?AM UTC-5, Gil Jesus wrote:
On Friday, November 24, 2023 at 8:18:32?AM UTC-5, JE Corbett wrote:
< his usual bullshit comments with no evidence >
You admit that the exit wounds in the test were only "slightly larger " than the entrance wounds.
According to the autopsy report, the entrance wound in the President's back was measured at 7 mm. ( 16 H 980 )
How large was the exit wound in the President's throat ?
It was never measured....
On Friday, November 24, 2023 at 9:43:38?AM UTC-5, Gil Jesus wrote:
On Friday, November 24, 2023 at 9:09:36?AM UTC-5, JE Corbett wrote:
I've rebutted everything you've said.
As is your custom, when faced with inconvenient facts for which you have no rebuttal, you resort to diversion by raising
asinine questions.
It's all here:
https://gil-jesus.com/wound-of-entry/
This is another ploy of yours. Citing your website.
They were only slightly larger, Gil.
On Thursday, November 23, 2023 at 6:36:11?AM UTC-5, Gil Jesus wrote:
On Thursday, November 23, 2023 at 5:35:34?AM UTC-5, Bud wrote:
He is applying reasoning to information, and that is like fingernails on a blackboard to you.What reasoning ? I've already called him on it.
You exposed yourself ...
On Thursday, November 23, 2023 at 1:28:25?AM UTC-5, NoTrueFlags Here wrote:
Corbett reveals his depravity here by dismissing experts who don't say what he wants to hear.
He's a fucking idiot. And every time he posts he proves it.
On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 8:03:15?AM UTC-5, Gil Jesus wrote:than any of the doctors in Parkland.
On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 6:38:11?AM UTC-5, Hank Sienzant wrote:
You denigrated Lattimer as an "easy chair urologist", neglecting to mention he was a battlefield surgeon who actually saw and treated the types of wounds caused by jacketed ammunition. As such, he was far more experienced with those kinds of wounds
Really ? What's the connection between urology and gunshot wounds ?
None, asshole...
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