• Questions for Gil #3

    From Chuck Schuyler@21:1/5 to All on Mon Nov 20 18:17:18 2023
    Hey Gil,

    Do you understand the difference between conspiracy and CONSPIRACISM?

    9/11 was a conspiracy. Nineteen Muslim terrorists with a couple of hundred thousand dollars in backing from al Qaeda/bin Laden and plotting/planning coordination from Khalid Sheikh Mohammed pulled off (to date) the largest terror attack in US history. It
    was vigorously investigated and resulted in the war in Afghanistan and indirectly, to the war in Iraq. We know all of the major details, the hijackers, and on and on. KSM is in prison, bin Laden is dead.

    But to listen to the now dwindling band of 9/11 Truthers tell it, 9/11 was an "inside job" involving Bush/Cheney/Halliburton, Jewish WTC owner Larry Silverstein somehow cooperating with bin Laden to "pull" the towers as part of a multi-billion dollar
    insurance fraud scheme, the use of something called nano-thermite to implode the buildings, timed with the jets hitting the towers, the involvement of the NYC Port Authority, the NYPD, the FDNY, and on and on. One of your JFK kook "Team Oswald" co-
    religionists, James Fetzer, believes it's possible NO PLANES hit the towers (holograms were employed?) and that a missile was fired by a jet into the US Pentagon. The Truthers cannot narrow anything down, and the plot continues to expand, with more
    suspects, and more possible subplots.

    Nineteen hijackers flying planes into buildings is a CONSPIRACY. It can be defined, narrowed down, and prosecuted. The above paragraph involving almost everyone and their brother is an example of CONSPIRACISM.

    Do you understand the difference between conspiracy and conspiracism? Do you think your inability to narrow down what happened on 11/22/63 puts you in the latter category as being afflicted with the social malady now sometimes referred to as conspiracism?

    If not, why?

    https://www.dummies.com/article/academics-the-arts/history/conspiracy-theories/what-is-conspiracism-199006/

    Conspiracism from the above link:

    "Nothing happens by accident: Everything that happens in the world is intentional, by someone's (or something's) Grand Design.

    "Nothing is as it seems: Whoever or whatever is in control disguises their role and their identity. In fact, they go out of their way to look innocent, deflect blame, or just plain hide.

    "Everything is connected: Because of an intricate, evil design that allows for no accidents, there's no such thing as a coincidence, and the patterns of evil forces are all interconnected with each other. Therefore, the right type of person can see these
    patterns of numbers, designs, events, or activities everywhere, once they know what to look for.

    "This last bit is important because, in most conspiracy theories, a thread of insistence exists that only certain, truly enlightened people can see the truth behind the secret plots. Most conspiracies are, so the thinking goes, invisible to the vast
    majority of sheeplike citizens who go grazing through the pasture of life, never suspecting the evil wolves lurking behind the rocks of everyday occurrences.

    "In a way, conspiracism can be comforting to true believers because it removes the scary notion of randomness from the universe. For some, conspiracies can seem like an extension of religious faith, with God and Satan locked in a struggle for supremacy
    on Earth. In fact, many conspiracists are strongly connected to a belief in the coming of the end of the world. After a specific series of world events happens, these "millenialists" believe, those events will usher in Armageddon, the final battle
    between the forces of good and evil on Earth."

    So Gil, why does the JFK assassination list of suspects, etc. never diminish? You seem perfectly fine keeping as an "ally" the Toilet/Flags. who believes Oswald shot at JFK's motorcade FROM THE GRASSY KNOLL, and that Tippit was murdered in DEALEY PLAZA.

    Don't you see how batshit crazy this stuff is?

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  • From Bud@21:1/5 to Chuck Schuyler on Thu Nov 23 06:06:40 2023
    On Monday, November 20, 2023 at 9:17:21 PM UTC-5, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    Hey Gil,

    Do you understand the difference between conspiracy and CONSPIRACISM?

    9/11 was a conspiracy. Nineteen Muslim terrorists with a couple of hundred thousand dollars in backing from al Qaeda/bin Laden and plotting/planning coordination from Khalid Sheikh Mohammed pulled off (to date) the largest terror attack in US history.
    It was vigorously investigated and resulted in the war in Afghanistan and indirectly, to the war in Iraq. We know all of the major details, the hijackers, and on and on. KSM is in prison, bin Laden is dead.

    But to listen to the now dwindling band of 9/11 Truthers tell it, 9/11 was an "inside job" involving Bush/Cheney/Halliburton, Jewish WTC owner Larry Silverstein somehow cooperating with bin Laden to "pull" the towers as part of a multi-billion dollar
    insurance fraud scheme, the use of something called nano-thermite to implode the buildings, timed with the jets hitting the towers, the involvement of the NYC Port Authority, the NYPD, the FDNY, and on and on. One of your JFK kook "Team Oswald" co-
    religionists, James Fetzer, believes it's possible NO PLANES hit the towers (holograms were employed?) and that a missile was fired by a jet into the US Pentagon. The Truthers cannot narrow anything down, and the plot continues to expand, with more
    suspects, and more possible subplots.

    Nineteen hijackers flying planes into buildings is a CONSPIRACY. It can be defined, narrowed down, and prosecuted. The above paragraph involving almost everyone and their brother is an example of CONSPIRACISM.

    Do you understand the difference between conspiracy and conspiracism? Do you think your inability to narrow down what happened on 11/22/63 puts you in the latter category as being afflicted with the social malady now sometimes referred to as
    conspiracism?

    If not, why?

    https://www.dummies.com/article/academics-the-arts/history/conspiracy-theories/what-is-conspiracism-199006/

    Conspiracism from the above link:

    "Nothing happens by accident: Everything that happens in the world is intentional, by someone's (or something's) Grand Design.

    Yes, saw this example of this kind of thinking in this video from 4 chan...

    https://i.4cdn.org/gif/1700439190942276.webm

    Apparently there was a French film crew in New York on 9-11, and they provided the only footage of the first plane strike into the Towers. The Truther find this suspicious, so they do the same thing conspiracists do in the assassination, they claim
    this is too fantastic an occurrence to even contemplate, but then more on to other possibilities that are much more fantastic. In the case of this plane strike, the only two options besides it being what it appears to be, happenstance, is that this was
    digitally manufactured evidence, or this crew was told beforehand where to position themselves to catch the plane strike. Both are much more fantastic than the idea they are trying to supplant.

    "Nothing is as it seems: Whoever or whatever is in control disguises their role and their identity. In fact, they go out of their way to look innocent, deflect blame, or just plain hide.

    "Everything is connected: Because of an intricate, evil design that allows for no accidents, there's no such thing as a coincidence, and the patterns of evil forces are all interconnected with each other. Therefore, the right type of person can see
    these patterns of numbers, designs, events, or activities everywhere, once they know what to look for.

    "This last bit is important because, in most conspiracy theories, a thread of insistence exists that only certain, truly enlightened people can see the truth behind the secret plots. Most conspiracies are, so the thinking goes, invisible to the vast
    majority of sheeplike citizens who go grazing through the pasture of life, never suspecting the evil wolves lurking behind the rocks of everyday occurrences.

    "In a way, conspiracism can be comforting to true believers because it removes the scary notion of randomness from the universe. For some, conspiracies can seem like an extension of religious faith, with God and Satan locked in a struggle for supremacy
    on Earth. In fact, many conspiracists are strongly connected to a belief in the coming of the end of the world. After a specific series of world events happens, these "millenialists" believe, those events will usher in Armageddon, the final battle
    between the forces of good and evil on Earth."

    So Gil, why does the JFK assassination list of suspects, etc. never diminish? You seem perfectly fine keeping as an "ally" the Toilet/Flags. who believes Oswald shot at JFK's motorcade FROM THE GRASSY KNOLL, and that Tippit was murdered in DEALEY PLAZA.


    Don't you see how batshit crazy this stuff is?

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  • From JE Corbett@21:1/5 to Bud on Thu Nov 23 06:15:46 2023
    On Thursday, November 23, 2023 at 9:06:42 AM UTC-5, Bud wrote:
    On Monday, November 20, 2023 at 9:17:21 PM UTC-5, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    Hey Gil,

    Do you understand the difference between conspiracy and CONSPIRACISM?

    9/11 was a conspiracy. Nineteen Muslim terrorists with a couple of hundred thousand dollars in backing from al Qaeda/bin Laden and plotting/planning coordination from Khalid Sheikh Mohammed pulled off (to date) the largest terror attack in US history.
    It was vigorously investigated and resulted in the war in Afghanistan and indirectly, to the war in Iraq. We know all of the major details, the hijackers, and on and on. KSM is in prison, bin Laden is dead.

    But to listen to the now dwindling band of 9/11 Truthers tell it, 9/11 was an "inside job" involving Bush/Cheney/Halliburton, Jewish WTC owner Larry Silverstein somehow cooperating with bin Laden to "pull" the towers as part of a multi-billion dollar
    insurance fraud scheme, the use of something called nano-thermite to implode the buildings, timed with the jets hitting the towers, the involvement of the NYC Port Authority, the NYPD, the FDNY, and on and on. One of your JFK kook "Team Oswald" co-
    religionists, James Fetzer, believes it's possible NO PLANES hit the towers (holograms were employed?) and that a missile was fired by a jet into the US Pentagon. The Truthers cannot narrow anything down, and the plot continues to expand, with more
    suspects, and more possible subplots.

    Nineteen hijackers flying planes into buildings is a CONSPIRACY. It can be defined, narrowed down, and prosecuted. The above paragraph involving almost everyone and their brother is an example of CONSPIRACISM.

    Do you understand the difference between conspiracy and conspiracism? Do you think your inability to narrow down what happened on 11/22/63 puts you in the latter category as being afflicted with the social malady now sometimes referred to as
    conspiracism?

    If not, why?

    https://www.dummies.com/article/academics-the-arts/history/conspiracy-theories/what-is-conspiracism-199006/

    Conspiracism from the above link:

    "Nothing happens by accident: Everything that happens in the world is intentional, by someone's (or something's) Grand Design.
    Yes, saw this example of this kind of thinking in this video from 4 chan...

    https://i.4cdn.org/gif/1700439190942276.webm

    Apparently there was a French film crew in New York on 9-11, and they provided the only footage of the first plane strike into the Towers. The Truther find this suspicious, so they do the same thing conspiracists do in the assassination, they claim
    this is too fantastic an occurrence to even contemplate, but then more on to other possibilities that are much more fantastic. In the case of this plane strike, the only two options besides it being what it appears to be, happenstance, is that this was
    digitally manufactured evidence, or this crew was told beforehand where to position themselves to catch the plane strike. Both are much more fantastic than the idea they are trying to supplant.
    "Nothing is as it seems: Whoever or whatever is in control disguises their role and their identity. In fact, they go out of their way to look innocent, deflect blame, or just plain hide.

    "Everything is connected: Because of an intricate, evil design that allows for no accidents, there's no such thing as a coincidence, and the patterns of evil forces are all interconnected with each other. Therefore, the right type of person can see
    these patterns of numbers, designs, events, or activities everywhere, once they know what to look for.

    "This last bit is important because, in most conspiracy theories, a thread of insistence exists that only certain, truly enlightened people can see the truth behind the secret plots. Most conspiracies are, so the thinking goes, invisible to the vast
    majority of sheeplike citizens who go grazing through the pasture of life, never suspecting the evil wolves lurking behind the rocks of everyday occurrences.

    "In a way, conspiracism can be comforting to true believers because it removes the scary notion of randomness from the universe. For some, conspiracies can seem like an extension of religious faith, with God and Satan locked in a struggle for
    supremacy on Earth. In fact, many conspiracists are strongly connected to a belief in the coming of the end of the world. After a specific series of world events happens, these "millenialists" believe, those events will usher in Armageddon, the final
    battle between the forces of good and evil on Earth."

    So Gil, why does the JFK assassination list of suspects, etc. never diminish? You seem perfectly fine keeping as an "ally" the Toilet/Flags. who believes Oswald shot at JFK's motorcade FROM THE GRASSY KNOLL, and that Tippit was murdered in DEALEY
    PLAZA.

    Don't you see how batshit crazy this stuff is?

    The phrase "monkeys fucking a football" is a perfect description of these idiots.
    https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=a%20monkey%20fucking%20a%20football

    I can't remember how many times I heard my old high school coach use that expression.
    "You guys are playing like a bunch of monkeys trying to fuck a football".

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to chuckschuyler123@gmail.com on Mon Nov 27 11:56:39 2023
    On Mon, 20 Nov 2023 18:17:18 -0800 (PST), Chuck Schuyler <chuckschuyler123@gmail.com> wrote:

    Hey Gil,

    Do you understand the difference between conspiracy and CONSPIRACISM?

    A silly question. The evidence for conspiracy is something you can't
    address. Simple denial will never change the fact that dozens of
    people pointed to the Grassy Knoll.

    None of your whining can change that fact.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to jecorbett4@gmail.com on Thu Nov 30 08:07:01 2023
    On Thu, 23 Nov 2023 06:15:46 -0800 (PST), JE Corbett
    <jecorbett4@gmail.com> wrote:

    I can't remember how many times ...

    Being dishonest is like that.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to All on Fri Dec 1 07:41:45 2023
    On Thu, 23 Nov 2023 06:06:40 -0800 (PST), Bud <sirslick@fast.net>
    wrote:

    So, according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval" shape that was
    "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

    Chickenshit is TERRIFIED of this simple honest question. He knows
    that Bugliosi was a moron if he truly thought this... yet you can't
    get Chickenshit to publicly acknowledge that Bugliosi said this.

    It's a simple "Yes" or "No" question, and Chickenshit cannot cite
    where he has EVER answered it. (Without immediately denying it.)

    So it's going to keep getting asked until Chickenshit answers it.

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