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  • Re: A question for the Lone Nutters on Search and Seizure

    From Bud@21:1/5 to Gil Jesus on Sat Nov 11 02:57:25 2023
    On Saturday, November 11, 2023 at 5:52:02 AM UTC-5, Gil Jesus wrote:
    Would you please post copies of the FBI's search warrants for the records of Crescent Firearms and Klein's Sporting Goods ?

    You realize that if you are allowed access you don`t need a warrant, right?

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  • From Gil Jesus@21:1/5 to All on Sat Nov 11 02:52:00 2023
    Would you please post copies of the FBI's search warrants for the records of Crescent Firearms and Klein's Sporting Goods ?

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  • From Gil Jesus@21:1/5 to Bud on Sat Nov 11 03:43:01 2023
    On Saturday, November 11, 2023 at 5:57:26 AM UTC-5, Bud wrote:
    On Saturday, November 11, 2023 at 5:52:02 AM UTC-5, Gil Jesus wrote:
    Would you please post copies of the FBI's search warrants for the records of Crescent Firearms and Klein's Sporting Goods ?
    You realize that if you are allowed access you don`t need a warrant, right?

    Yes I do.
    Do you have evidence that these were consent searches ?
    Please post your source.

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  • From recipient.x@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Gil Jesus on Sat Nov 11 06:47:17 2023
    On Saturday, November 11, 2023 at 5:43:03 AM UTC-6, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Saturday, November 11, 2023 at 5:57:26 AM UTC-5, Bud wrote:
    On Saturday, November 11, 2023 at 5:52:02 AM UTC-5, Gil Jesus wrote:
    Would you please post copies of the FBI's search warrants for the records of Crescent Firearms and Klein's Sporting Goods ?
    You realize that if you are allowed access you don`t need a warrant, right?
    Yes I do.
    Do you have evidence that these were consent searches ?
    Please post your source.

    Feldsott's affidavit implies that Crescent voluntarily assisted the FBI. Scibor's testimony does the same for Klein's.

    That being said, what is your evidence that the FBI acted improperly with either company?

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  • From Bud@21:1/5 to Gil Jesus on Sat Nov 11 09:43:30 2023
    On Saturday, November 11, 2023 at 6:43:03 AM UTC-5, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Saturday, November 11, 2023 at 5:57:26 AM UTC-5, Bud wrote:
    On Saturday, November 11, 2023 at 5:52:02 AM UTC-5, Gil Jesus wrote:
    Would you please post copies of the FBI's search warrants for the records of Crescent Firearms and Klein's Sporting Goods ?
    You realize that if you are allowed access you don`t need a warrant, right?
    Yes I do.

    Then what is the problem?

    Do you have evidence that these were consent searches ?

    Why would I need that?

    Please post your source.

    For what?

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  • From Gil Jesus@21:1/5 to recip...@gmail.com on Sat Nov 11 09:21:31 2023
    On Saturday, November 11, 2023 at 9:47:19 AM UTC-5, recip...@gmail.com wrote:
    Feldsott's affidavit implies that Crescent voluntarily assisted the FBI. Scibor's testimony does the same for Klein's.

    That being said, what is your evidence that the FBI acted improperly with either company?

    Who said they acted improperly ?
    I asked for copies of the search warrants.
    I never said they acted improperly.

    In fact, your answer is 100% correct. The searches were done by representatives of the companies, and because the companies owned the records,
    there was nothing illegal about their search. It was up to the companies whether they would release the records to the FBI or whether they required a search warrant.
    Although he doesn't mention him by name, Scibor's testimony says that he "got permission" to open the files and view the records from a company executive.
    I assume that executive was William Waldman, the company vice-president who showed up and conducted the search at Klein's.

    But you are correct.
    No search warrant was necessary because according to the testimony of Scibor and the affidavit of Feldsott, both companies cooperated fully with the FBI
    and willingly released to them the information in their files.

    The rest of the trolls were too lazy to look it up. You weren't. Congratulations.

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  • From Bud@21:1/5 to Gil Jesus on Sat Nov 11 09:45:30 2023
    On Saturday, November 11, 2023 at 12:21:33 PM UTC-5, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Saturday, November 11, 2023 at 9:47:19 AM UTC-5, recip...@gmail.com wrote:
    Feldsott's affidavit implies that Crescent voluntarily assisted the FBI. Scibor's testimony does the same for Klein's.

    That being said, what is your evidence that the FBI acted improperly with either company?
    Who said they acted improperly ?
    I asked for copies of the search warrants.

    You refuse to show they were necessary.

    I never said they acted improperly.

    In fact, your answer is 100% correct. The searches were done by representatives of the companies, and because the companies owned the records,
    there was nothing illegal about their search. It was up to the companies whether they would release the records to the FBI or whether they required a search warrant.
    Although he doesn't mention him by name, Scibor's testimony says that he "got permission" to open the files and view the records from a company executive.
    I assume that executive was William Waldman, the company vice-president who showed up and conducted the search at Klein's.

    But you are correct.
    No search warrant was necessary because according to the testimony of Scibor and the affidavit of Feldsott, both companies cooperated fully with the FBI
    and willingly released to them the information in their files.

    The rest of the trolls were too lazy to look it up. You weren't. Congratulations.

    Everyone should ignore your attempts to shift the burden.

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  • From Gil Jesus@21:1/5 to Bud on Sat Nov 11 09:50:01 2023
    On Saturday, November 11, 2023 at 12:45:31 PM UTC-5, Bud wrote:
    Everyone should ignore your attempts to shift the burden.

    And yet you can't.

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  • From Bud@21:1/5 to Gil Jesus on Sat Nov 11 10:12:12 2023
    On Saturday, November 11, 2023 at 12:50:03 PM UTC-5, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Saturday, November 11, 2023 at 12:45:31 PM UTC-5, Bud wrote:
    Everyone should ignore your attempts to shift the burden.
    And yet you can't.

    Did I fall for it?

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  • From Gil Jesus@21:1/5 to Bud on Sun Nov 12 02:26:54 2023
    On Saturday, November 11, 2023 at 1:12:14 PM UTC-5, Bud wrote:
    Did I fall for it?

    What do you want a medal ?

    Here ya go:
    https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/11/troll-medal.jpg

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  • From robert johnson@21:1/5 to Gil Jesus on Sun Nov 12 07:55:04 2023
    On Sunday, November 12, 2023 at 10:26:56 AM UTC, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Saturday, November 11, 2023 at 1:12:14 PM UTC-5, Bud wrote:
    Did I fall for it?
    What do you want a medal ?

    Here ya go:
    https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/11/troll-medal.jpg

    YOU PROMISED THAT ONE TO THE TROLL BY THE NAME OF BRIAN DOYLE!!!!!

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to All on Mon Nov 13 15:56:07 2023
    On Sat, 11 Nov 2023 02:57:25 -0800 (PST), Bud <sirslick@fast.net>
    wrote:

    You realize that you're a proven coward, right?

    So, according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval" shape that was
    "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

    Chickenshit is TERRIFIED of this simple honest question. He knows
    that Bugliosi was a moron if he truly thought this... yet you can't
    get Chickenshit to publicly acknowledge that Bugliosi said this.

    It's a simple "Yes" or "No" question, and Chickenshit cannot cite
    where he has EVER answered it. (Without immediately denying it.)

    So it's going to keep getting asked until Chickenshit answers it.

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