On Thu, 2 Nov 2023 08:19:31 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett
<geowright1963@gmail.com> wrote:

For decades, CTs have been arguing that the ER team at Parkland had
described a blowout wound in the rear of JFK's head.

They did. You can't deny it. You can't cite ANYTHING that says
otherwise.

Yet John Connally testified that he had been showered with brain
material following the head shot.

Mr. SPECTER. What is the best estimate that you have as to the time span between the sound of the first shot and the feeling of someone hitting you in the back which you just described?
Governor CONNALLY. A very, very brief span of time. Again my trend of thought just happened to be, I suppose along this line, I immediately thought that this--that I had been shot. I knew it when I just looked down and I was covered with blood, and the

thought immediately passed through my mind that there were either two or three people involved or more in this or someone was shooting with an automatic rifle. These were just thoughts that went through my mind because of the rapidity of these two, of
the first shot plus the blow that I took, and I knew I had been hit, and I immediately assumed, because of the amount of blood, and in fact, that it had obviously passed through my chest. that I had probably been fatally hit.

So I merely doubled up, and then turned to my right again and began to--I just sat there, and Mrs. Connally pulled me over to her lap. She was sitting, of course, on the jump seat, so I reclined with my head in her lap, conscious all the time, and with

my eyes open; and then, of course, the third shot sounded, and I heard the shot very clearly. I heard it hit him. I heard the shot hit something, and I assumed again--it never entered my mind that it ever hit anybody but the President. I heard it hit. It
was a very loud noise, just that audible, very clear.

Immediately I could see on my clothes, my clothing, I could see on the interior of the car which, as I recall, was a pale blue, brain tissue, which I immediately recognized, and I recall very well, on my trousers there was one chunk of brain tissue as

big as almost my thumb, thumbnail, and again I did not see the President at any time either after the first, second, or third shots, but I assumed always that it was he who was hit and no one else.

So how could brain matter end up in front of JFK if the blowout had
been limited to the rear of the head?

Your question imples what doesn't exist. An explosion of blood & brain
matter that goes in only one direction. Here is simple proof that
proves you're lying:

https://youtu.be/o1aKtshb6D8

Was that just one bullet? In what direction did watermelon *NOT* go?

Now, a question for you that *YOU* will run from like the coward you
are: What part of the occipital is *NOT* in the back of the head?

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On Thursday, November 2, 2023 at 12:54:36 PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:

I'm asking you to explain how, if the blowout was limited to the back of the head, brain matter could have ended up forward of JFK's position.

Who said the blowout was limited to the back of the head ?
Where TF did you get that gem from ?

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On Thursday, November 2, 2023 at 11:19:33 AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:

For decades, CTs have been arguing that the ER team at Parkland had described a blowout wound in the rear of JFK's head. Yet John Connally testified that he had been showered with brain material following the head shot.

Mr. SPECTER. What is the best estimate that you have as to the time span between the sound of the first shot and the feeling of someone hitting you in the back which you just described?
Governor CONNALLY. A very, very brief span of time. Again my trend of thought just happened to be, I suppose along this line, I immediately thought that this--that I had been shot. I knew it when I just looked down and I was covered with blood, and the

thought immediately passed through my mind that there were either two or three people involved or more in this or someone was shooting with an automatic rifle. These were just thoughts that went through my mind because of the rapidity of these two, of
the first shot plus the blow that I took, and I knew I had been hit, and I immediately assumed, because of the amount of blood, and in fact, that it had obviously passed through my chest. that I had probably been fatally hit.

So I merely doubled up, and then turned to my right again and began to--I just sat there, and Mrs. Connally pulled me over to her lap. She was sitting, of course, on the jump seat, so I reclined with my head in her lap, conscious all the time, and with

my eyes open; and then, of course, the third shot sounded, and I heard the shot very clearly. I heard it hit him. I heard the shot hit something, and I assumed again--it never entered my mind that it ever hit anybody but the President. I heard it hit. It
was a very loud noise, just that audible, very clear.

Immediately I could see on my clothes, my clothing, I could see on the interior of the car which, as I recall, was a pale blue, brain tissue, which I immediately recognized, and I recall very well, on my trousers there was one chunk of brain tissue as

big as almost my thumb, thumbnail, and again I did not see the President at any time either after the first, second, or third shots, but I assumed always that it was he who was hit and no one else.

So how could brain matter end up in front of JFK if the blowout had been limited to the rear of the head?

Did it ever occur to you that blood and brain matter being spread in different directions is evidence that the brain was hit from different directions ?

Motorcycle Officer James Chaney said he saw the President, "struck in the face".
https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/James-chaney.mp4

William Newman said the President was hit "in the side of the temple". https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/william-newman.mp4

The Parkland doctors said the exit wound was in the rear of the head. https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/parkland-doctors.mp4

The Willis family was in Dealey Plaza and saw "the back of the President's head come off".
https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/willis-women.mp4

Another Dealey Plaza witness, Charles Brehm, said that, “I saw a piece ( of Kennedy’s skull ) fly over in the area of the curb where I was standing…it seemed as if it came left and back.”
https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/brehm.mp4

FBI man Frank O'Neill was at the autopsy and saw a large hole at the rear of the head.
https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/FBI-man-saw-Massive-wound-in-right-rear-of-JFK-skull.mp4

Witnesses who saw the autopsy photos said there was a large hole in the rear of the head.
https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/dennis-david.mp4 https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/joe-odonnell.mp4

The bevelling evidence indicates at least one shot exited the head at the rear. https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/F8-2.jpg

The autopsy report notes on page 4 that the largest fragment of bone recovered from the President's skull had, "bevelling on the outer table", indicative of an exit wound.
https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/WH_Vol16_981-autopsy-report-4.jpg

How much more corroborating evidence do you need of a shot from the front ?

It's all here for you and the rest of the deniers to cry about: https://gil-jesus.com/head-games/

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On Thursday, November 2, 2023 at 12:23:49 PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:

On Thursday, November 2, 2023 at 11:19:33 AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:

For decades, CTs have been arguing that the ER team at Parkland had described a blowout wound in the rear of JFK's head. Yet John Connally testified that he had been showered with brain material following the head shot.

Mr. SPECTER. What is the best estimate that you have as to the time span between the sound of the first shot and the feeling of someone hitting you in the back which you just described?
Governor CONNALLY. A very, very brief span of time. Again my trend of thought just happened to be, I suppose along this line, I immediately thought that this--that I had been shot. I knew it when I just looked down and I was covered with blood, and

the thought immediately passed through my mind that there were either two or three people involved or more in this or someone was shooting with an automatic rifle. These were just thoughts that went through my mind because of the rapidity of these two,
of the first shot plus the blow that I took, and I knew I had been hit, and I immediately assumed, because of the amount of blood, and in fact, that it had obviously passed through my chest. that I had probably been fatally hit.

So I merely doubled up, and then turned to my right again and began to--I just sat there, and Mrs. Connally pulled me over to her lap. She was sitting, of course, on the jump seat, so I reclined with my head in her lap, conscious all the time, and

with my eyes open; and then, of course, the third shot sounded, and I heard the shot very clearly. I heard it hit him. I heard the shot hit something, and I assumed again--it never entered my mind that it ever hit anybody but the President. I heard it
hit. It was a very loud noise, just that audible, very clear.

Immediately I could see on my clothes, my clothing, I could see on the interior of the car which, as I recall, was a pale blue, brain tissue, which I immediately recognized, and I recall very well, on my trousers there was one chunk of brain tissue

as big as almost my thumb, thumbnail, and again I did not see the President at any time either after the first, second, or third shots, but I assumed always that it was he who was hit and no one else.

So how could brain matter end up in front of JFK if the blowout had been limited to the rear of the head?

Did it ever occur to you that blood and brain matter being spread in different directions is evidence that the brain was hit from different directions ?

There is no medical evidence of multiple shots to the head.

Motorcycle Officer James Chaney said he saw the President, "struck in the face".
https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/James-chaney.mp4

Cheney was moving forward. This isn't an indication the brain matter was moving backward.

William Newman said the President was hit "in the side of the temple". https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/william-newman.mp4

That was his impression based on the fact he saw the side of JFK's head explode. That is
not an indication of the bullet's direction.

The Parkland doctors said the exit wound was in the rear of the head. https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/parkland-doctors.mp4

So explain how the brain matter could have gone forward if the blowout was limited to the
back of the head. That is the part CTs have never been able to explain.

The Willis family was in Dealey Plaza and saw "the back of the President's head come off".
https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/willis-women.mp4

Again, an impression based on their perspective.

Another Dealey Plaza witness, Charles Brehm, said that, “I saw a piece ( of Kennedy’s skull ) fly over in the area of the curb where I was standing…it seemed as if it came left and back.”
https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/brehm.mp4

More IMPRESSIONS of witnesses.

FBI man Frank O'Neill was at the autopsy and saw a large hole at the rear of the head.
https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/FBI-man-saw-Massive-wound-in-right-rear-of-JFK-skull.mp4

The autopsy team was at the autopsy too and their conclusion there was a large defect in the
skull, "chiefly parietal but extending somewhat into the occipital and temporal regions". The
HSCA FPP concurred with that finding.

Witnesses who saw the autopsy photos said there was a large hole in the rear of the head.
https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/dennis-david.mp4 https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/joe-odonnell.mp4

A panel of the best medical examiners in the country saw all those photos and xrays and
concluded that the head shot came from behind. Why do CTs always ignore their opinion?

The bevelling evidence indicates at least one shot exited the head at the rear.
https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/F8-2.jpg

So now you are substituting your own layman's opinion for the unanimous opinion of a panel of
the top medical examiners in the country that was formed by the HSCA. Tell us why we should
give more weight to your uninformed opinion than that of recognized experts in the field of
forensic pathology.

The autopsy report notes on page 4 that the largest fragment of bone recovered from the President's skull had, "bevelling on the outer table", indicative of an exit wound.
https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/WH_Vol16_981-autopsy-report-4.jpg

Now tell us where it said what part of the skull that fragment came from.

How much more corroborating evidence do you need of a shot from the front ?

Tell us why any of this crap you've thrown against the wall should outweigh the findings of the
autopsy team and the unanimous opinion of the HSCA's Forensic Pathology Panel that the head
shot struck from the rear.

It's all here for you and the rest of the deniers to cry about: https://gil-jesus.com/head-games/

What you never addressed was the question I posed in the OP. I'll repeat it for you.

So how could brain matter end up in front of JFK if the blowout had
been limited to the rear of the head?

No one disputes that splatter from the explosion of the head could move in multiple vectors.
I'm asking you to explain how, if the blowout was limited to the back of the head, brain matter
could have ended up forward of JFK's position. IOW, how could brain tissue exited the back of
the head and then go forward. Would you like to take a stab at that one. I'm betting not.

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On Thu, 2 Nov 2023 10:07:57 -0700 (PDT), Gil Jesus
<gjjmail1202@gmail.com> wrote:

On Thursday, November 2, 2023 at 12:54:36?PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:

I'm asking you to explain how, if the blowout was limited to the back of the head, brain matter could have ended up forward of JFK's position.

Who said the blowout was limited to the back of the head ?
Where TF did you get that gem from ?

Out of his Corbutt... even this moron asserts that: "No one disputes
that splatter from the explosion of the head could move in multiple
vectors."

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On Thu, 2 Nov 2023 09:54:35 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett
<geowright1963@gmail.com> wrote:

On Thursday, November 2, 2023 at 12:23:49?PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:

On Thursday, November 2, 2023 at 11:19:33?AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:

For decades, CTs have been arguing that the ER team at Parkland had
described a blowout wound in the rear of JFK's head. Yet John Connally
testified that he had been showered with brain material following the head >>> shot.

Mr. SPECTER. What is the best estimate that you have as to the time span between the sound of the first shot and the feeling of someone hitting you in the back which you just described?
Governor CONNALLY. A very, very brief span of time. Again my trend of thought just happened to be, I suppose along this line, I immediately thought that this--that I had been shot. I knew it when I just looked down and I was covered with blood, and

the thought immediately passed through my mind that there were either two or three people involved or more in this or someone was shooting with an automatic rifle. These were just thoughts that went through my mind because of the rapidity of these two,
of the first shot plus the blow that I took, and I knew I had been hit, and I immediately assumed, because of the amount of blood, and in fact, that it had obviously passed through my chest. that I had probably been fatally hit.

So I merely doubled up, and then turned to my right again and began to--I just sat there, and Mrs. Connally pulled me over to her lap. She was sitting, of course, on the jump seat, so I reclined with my head in her lap, conscious all the time, and

with my eyes open; and then, of course, the third shot sounded, and I heard the shot very clearly. I heard it hit him. I heard the shot hit something, and I assumed again--it never entered my mind that it ever hit anybody but the President. I heard it
hit. It was a very loud noise, just that audible, very clear.

Immediately I could see on my clothes, my clothing, I could see on the interior of the car which, as I recall, was a pale blue, brain tissue, which I immediately recognized, and I recall very well, on my trousers there was one chunk of brain tissue

as big as almost my thumb, thumbnail, and again I did not see the President at any time either after the first, second, or third shots, but I assumed always that it was he who was hit and no one else.

So how could brain matter end up in front of JFK if the blowout had been limited to the rear of the head?

Did it ever occur to you that blood and brain matter being spread in different directions is evidence that the brain was hit from different directions ?

There is no medical evidence of multiple shots to the head.

You're lying. The trail of bullet fragments in the head show a shot
coming from the front. This is why believers like you have REPEATEDLY
refused to state where they see the largest fragments in the X-ray.

Motorcycle Officer James Chaney said he saw the President, "struck in the face".
https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/James-chaney.mp4

Cheney was moving forward. This isn't an indication the brain matter was moving backward.

Nonsense reply that doesn't refute what Gil pointed out.

William Newman said the President was hit "in the side of the temple".
https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/william-newman.mp4

That was his impression based on the fact he saw the side of JFK's head explode. That is
not an indication of the bullet's direction.

It is, however, evidence of the bullet's direction.

The Parkland doctors said the exit wound was in the rear of the head.
https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/parkland-doctors.mp4

So explain...

No explanation needed. Gil stated a fact.

The Willis family was in Dealey Plaza and saw "the back of the President's head come off".
https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/willis-women.mp4

Again, an impression based on their perspective.

Again, evidence from an eyewitness.

Corroborated by other eyewitnesses and by the medical testimony, as
well as the Autopsy.

You lose!

Another Dealey Plaza witness, Charles Brehm, said that, �I saw a piece ( of Kennedy�s skull ) fly over in the area of the curb where I was standing�it seemed as if it came left and back.�
https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/brehm.mp4

More IMPRESSIONS of witnesses.

More EVIDENCE from eyewitnesses.

FBI man Frank O'Neill was at the autopsy and saw a large hole at the rear of the head.
https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/FBI-man-saw-Massive-wound-in-right-rear-of-JFK-skull.mp4

The autopsy team was at the autopsy too and their conclusion there was a large defect in the
skull, "chiefly parietal but extending somewhat into the occipital and temporal regions". The
HSCA FPP concurred with that finding.

This is, of course ... A LARGE HOLE IN THE BACK OF THE HEAD...

You merely agree with what Gil is saying.

Witnesses who saw the autopsy photos said there was a large hole in the rear of the head.
https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/dennis-david.mp4
https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/joe-odonnell.mp4

A panel of the best medical examiners in the country saw all those photos and xrays and
concluded that the head shot came from behind. Why do CTs always ignore their opinion?

They also concluded that the large wound was in the back of the head.
Why do YOU always ignore medical experts?

The bevelling evidence indicates at least one shot exited the head at the rear.
https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/F8-2.jpg

So now you are substituting your own layman's opinion for the unanimous opinion of a panel of
the top medical examiners in the country that was formed by the HSCA. Tell us why we should
give more weight to your uninformed opinion than that of recognized experts in the field of
forensic pathology.

Because the HSCA provably lied. And you've been completely unable to
explain their proven lie.

The autopsy report notes on page 4 that the largest fragment of bone recovered from the President's skull had, "bevelling on the outer table", indicative of an exit wound.
https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/WH_Vol16_981-autopsy-report-4.jpg

Now tell us where it said what part of the skull that fragment came from.

Occipital.

How much more corroborating evidence do you need of a shot from the front ?

Tell us why any of this crap...

Evidence is not "crap."

It's all here for you and the rest of the deniers to cry about:
https://gil-jesus.com/head-games/

What you never addressed was the question I posed in the OP. I'll repeat it for you.

I did. I explicitly addressed it, and cited a video for my answer.

But so did Gil... here's his answer that you failed to comprehend:
"Did it ever occur to you that blood and brain matter being spread in
different directions is evidence that the brain was hit from different directions ?"

So how could brain matter end up in front of JFK if the blowout had
been limited to the rear of the head?

Easy. Demonstrated with a video.

No one disputes that splatter from the explosion of the head could move in multiple vectors.

Then you lose... don't you?

I'm asking you to explain how, if the blowout was limited to the back of the head, brain matter
could have ended up forward of JFK's position.

No one disputes that splatter from the explosion of the head could
move in multiple vectors.

IOW, how could brain tissue exited the back of
the head and then go forward. Would you like to take a stab at that one. I'm betting not.

No one disputes that splatter from the explosion of the head could
move in multiple vectors.

Run coward... RUN!!!

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On Thursday, November 2, 2023 at 1:07:59 PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:

On Thursday, November 2, 2023 at 12:54:36 PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:

I'm asking you to explain how, if the blowout was limited to the back of the head, brain matter could have ended up forward of JFK's position.

Who said the blowout was limited to the back of the head ?
Where TF did you get that gem from ?

Does this mean that you agree with the autopsy finding that the defect was chiefly parietal,
extending somewhat into the occipital and temporal regions? If so, we are making progress. If
you don't agree with the autopsy finding, tell us where you think the defect in the skull was and
to where it extended.

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On Thursday, November 2, 2023 at 1:11:52 PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:

Out of his Corbutt... even this moron asserts that: "No one disputes that splatter from the explosion of the head could move in multiple vectors."

This clown makes me laugh.
He makes shit up, then expects me to explain the shit he's making up.
ROFLMAO.

I posted evidence that Kennedy was shot from the front as well as the rear.
He posted comments.
Yeah, he loses.

Unlike the witnesses I presented, Corbett's witness, Connally, never saw the shot that hit Kennedy.
https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/11/did-not-see-it-hit.mp4

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On Thursday, November 2, 2023 at 1:37:19 PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:

On Thursday, November 2, 2023 at 1:07:59 PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:

On Thursday, November 2, 2023 at 12:54:36 PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:

I'm asking you to explain how, if the blowout was limited to the back of the head, brain matter could have ended up forward of JFK's position.

Who said the blowout was limited to the back of the head ?
Where TF did you get that gem from ?

Does this mean that you agree with the autopsy finding that the defect was chiefly parietal,
extending somewhat into the occipital and temporal regions? If so, we are making progress. If
you don't agree with the autopsy finding, tell us where you think the defect in the skull was and
to where it extended.

Don't try to change the subject to the autopsy report.

I asked you who said that, "the blowout was limited to the back of the head" .

Will you answer that question or will you run ?

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On Thu, 2 Nov 2023 10:52:29 -0700 (PDT), Gil Jesus
<gjjmail1202@gmail.com> wrote:

On Thursday, November 2, 2023 at 1:37:19?PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:

On Thursday, November 2, 2023 at 1:07:59?PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:

On Thursday, November 2, 2023 at 12:54:36?PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote: >>>> I'm asking you to explain how, if the blowout was limited to the back of the head, brain matter could have ended up forward of JFK's position.

Who said the blowout was limited to the back of the head ?
Where TF did you get that gem from ?

Does this mean that you agree with the autopsy finding that the defect was chiefly parietal,
extending somewhat into the occipital and temporal regions? If so, we are making progress. If
you don't agree with the autopsy finding, tell us where you think the defect in the skull was and
to where it extended.

Don't try to change the subject to the autopsy report.

I asked you who said that, "the blowout was limited to the back of the head" .

Will you answer that question or will you run ?

He already ran once... he'll do it again.

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On Thu, 2 Nov 2023 10:37:17 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett
<geowright1963@gmail.com> wrote:

On Thursday, November 2, 2023 at 1:07:59?PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:

On Thursday, November 2, 2023 at 12:54:36?PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:

I'm asking you to explain how, if the blowout was limited to the back of the head, brain matter could have ended up forward of JFK's position.

Who said the blowout was limited to the back of the head ?
Where TF did you get that gem from ?

Does this mean

Notice folks, that Corbutt didn't answer...

that you agree with the autopsy finding that the defect was chiefly parietal,
extending somewhat into the occipital and temporal regions?

Can **YOU** admit that a hole roughly the size of a small orange can
be thus described - YET BE *ENTIRELY* IN THE BACK OF THE HEAD?

If so, we are making progress.

Nope.

If you don't agree with the autopsy finding, tell us where you think the defect in the skull was and
to where it extended.

**YOU** don't agree with the Autopsy Report. Provably.

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On Thursday, November 2, 2023 at 1:34:11 PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:

On Thursday, November 2, 2023 at 1:11:52 PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:

Out of his Corbutt... even this moron asserts that: "No one disputes that splatter from the explosion of the head could move in multiple vectors."

This clown makes me laugh.
He makes shit up, then expects me to explain the shit he's making up. ROFLMAO.

I posted evidence that Kennedy was shot from the front as well as the rear. He posted comments.
Yeah, he loses.

Let's look at your evidence of a frontal shot.

Cheney getting splattered. Since Cheney was moving forward, he would move through the blood
and brain splatter that exited from JFK's head.

Newman thought JFK was hit in the side of the head. Newman also though JFK stood up when
first hit. He had the impression that JFK was hit in the side of the head because he saw the
side of JFK's head explode. That is hardly evidence of an entry wound in the side of the head.

The Parkland doctors said the exit wound was in the rear of the head. You now seem to be
saying the blowout wasn't LIMITED to the back of the head. That is what the autopsy concluded
and the HSCA FPP concurred with. The all said the blowout extended all along the upper right
side of the skull. That is also consistent with the description by Dr. McClelland "that the parietal
bone was protruded up through the scalp". So with the entire upper right side of the head
exploding, how is that evidence of a shot from the front?

The Willis family was in Dealey Plaza and saw "the back of the President's head come off".
So Newman was was to the side of JFK saw the side of his head explode and the Willises who
were behind JFK saw the rear of his head explode. That would indicate the blowout went from
the back of the head to the side of the head, perfectly compatible with the defect as described
by the autopsy team. Now explain how this is evidence of a frontal shot.

Witnesses who saw the autopsy photos said there was a large hole in the rear of the head.
You have already acknowledged that the large hole was not limited to the back of the head.
At least, that is what you seemed to be saying when you asked, "Who said the blowout was
limited to the back of the head ?".

The bevelling evidence indicates at least one shot exited the head at the rear. The source you
cited indicated this beveling was in the largest fragment received from Dallas. It did not
indicate that the fragment came from the back of the head. That was your embellishment.

Unlike the witnesses I presented, Corbett's witness, Connally, never saw the shot that hit Kennedy.
https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/11/did-not-see-it-hit.mp4

Can you cite another murder case where eyewitness's to a shooting were called to give testimony
on the nature of the deceased person's wounds instead of that information being presented to
the jury by a qualified medical examiner?

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On Thursday, November 2, 2023 at 1:52:30 PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:

On Thursday, November 2, 2023 at 1:37:19 PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:

On Thursday, November 2, 2023 at 1:07:59 PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:

On Thursday, November 2, 2023 at 12:54:36 PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:

I'm asking you to explain how, if the blowout was limited to the back of the head, brain matter could have ended up forward of JFK's position.

Who said the blowout was limited to the back of the head ?
Where TF did you get that gem from ?

Does this mean that you agree with the autopsy finding that the defect was chiefly parietal,
extending somewhat into the occipital and temporal regions? If so, we are making progress. If
you don't agree with the autopsy finding, tell us where you think the defect in the skull was and
to where it extended.

Don't try to change the subject to the autopsy report.

The subject is where did the bullet strike JFK's head and which direction did it come from. Why
is it you always want to disregard the evidence that is contrary to the narrative you are pushing?

I asked you who said that, "the blowout was limited to the back of the head" .

Will you answer that question or will you run ?

You refuse to say what you believe happened. When you ask, "Who said the blowout was limited
to the back of the head ?". Most people would take that to mean you don't believe the blowout
was limited to the back of the head. But now you are dancing back and forth. This is the kind of
game playing Ben Holmes has engaged in for as long as I have participated in this forum. He
seems to take one position and when challenged on it, he denies he took such a position. Why
don't you just clarify what YOU believe regarding the blowout wound in the skull. Tell us where
YOU believe it was and where it extended to. If you aren't willing to take a position on that
critical issue, what is the point in anybody listening to what you have to say on the subject?
Do you have a point to make or, like Holmes, you are just here to play silly games. Your answer
will give us an indication as to which is the case.

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On Thu, 2 Nov 2023 11:14:50 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett
<geowright1963@gmail.com> wrote:

On Thursday, November 2, 2023 at 1:52:30?PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:

On Thursday, November 2, 2023 at 1:37:19?PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:

On Thursday, November 2, 2023 at 1:07:59?PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:

On Thursday, November 2, 2023 at 12:54:36?PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote: >>>>> I'm asking you to explain how, if the blowout was limited to the back of the head, brain matter could have ended up forward of JFK's position.

Who said the blowout was limited to the back of the head ?
Where TF did you get that gem from ?

Does this mean that you agree with the autopsy finding that the defect was chiefly parietal,
extending somewhat into the occipital and temporal regions? If so, we are making progress. If
you don't agree with the autopsy finding, tell us where you think the defect in the skull was and
to where it extended.

Don't try to change the subject to the autopsy report.

The subject is where did the bullet strike JFK's head and which direction did it come from.

And *YOU'VE* admitted that the debris from such a strike would go in
all directions.

You've contradicted your own theory.

Why
is it you always want to disregard the evidence that is contrary to the narrative you are pushing?

Cite it - or admit that you're lying again..

I asked you who said that, "the blowout was limited to the back of the head" .

Will you answer that question or will you run ?

You refuse to say...

Corbutt ran.

WHAT AMAZING COWARDICE!!!

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On Thu, 2 Nov 2023 11:05:35 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett
<geowright1963@gmail.com> wrote:

On Thursday, November 2, 2023 at 1:34:11?PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:

On Thursday, November 2, 2023 at 1:11:52?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:

Out of his Corbutt... even this moron asserts that: "No one disputes that splatter from the explosion of the head could move in multiple vectors."

This clown makes me laugh.
He makes shit up, then expects me to explain the shit he's making up.
ROFLMAO.

I posted evidence that Kennedy was shot from the front as well as the rear. >> He posted comments.
Yeah, he loses.

Let's look at your evidence of a frontal shot.

Nah... you're only going to run, lie, and toss out logical fallacies.

Cheney getting splattered. Since Cheney was moving forward, he would move through the blood
and brain splatter that exited from JFK's head.

By your OWN admission - this is what would happen regardless of where
the bullets came from.

Newman thought JFK was hit in the side of the head. Newman also though JFK stood up when
first hit. He had the impression that JFK was hit in the side of the head because he saw the
side of JFK's head explode. That is hardly evidence of an entry wound in the side of the head.

It is *PRECISELY* this. Corroborated by other witnesses, and by the
medical testimony and by the Autopsy Report.

The Parkland doctors said the exit wound was in the rear of the head.

So too did the Autopsy.

You now seem to be saying...

Stop molesting children, and answer what Gil EXPLICITLY stated, not
what you wish he had.

So with the entire upper right side of the head
exploding, how is that evidence of a shot from the front?

The medical testimony from Parkland.

The Willis family was in Dealey Plaza and saw "the back of the President's head come off".
So Newman was was to the side of JFK saw the side of his head explode and the Willises who
were behind JFK saw the rear of his head explode. That would indicate the blowout went from
the back of the head to the side of the head, perfectly compatible with the defect as described
by the autopsy team. Now explain how this is evidence of a frontal shot.

Already done. **YOU** show how it's not compatible.

Witnesses who saw the autopsy photos said there was a large hole in the rear of the head.
You have already acknowledged...

There you go molesting children again.

The bevelling evidence indicates at least one shot exited the head at the rear. The source you
cited indicated this beveling was in the largest fragment received from Dallas. It did not
indicate that the fragment came from the back of the head. That was your embellishment.

That's medical expertise.

Unlike the witnesses I presented, Corbett's witness, Connally, never saw the shot that hit Kennedy.
https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/11/did-not-see-it-hit.mp4

Can you cite another murder case where eyewitness's to a shooting were called to give testimony
on the nature of the deceased person's wounds instead of that information being presented to
the jury by a qualified medical examiner?

You don't **BELIEVE** the qualified medical testimony.

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On Thursday, November 2, 2023 at 12:23:49 PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:

On Thursday, November 2, 2023 at 11:19:33 AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:

For decades, CTs have been arguing that the ER team at Parkland had described a blowout wound in the rear of JFK's head. Yet John Connally testified that he had been showered with brain material following the head shot.

Mr. SPECTER. What is the best estimate that you have as to the time span between the sound of the first shot and the feeling of someone hitting you in the back which you just described?
Governor CONNALLY. A very, very brief span of time. Again my trend of thought just happened to be, I suppose along this line, I immediately thought that this--that I had been shot. I knew it when I just looked down and I was covered with blood, and

the thought immediately passed through my mind that there were either two or three people involved or more in this or someone was shooting with an automatic rifle. These were just thoughts that went through my mind because of the rapidity of these two,
of the first shot plus the blow that I took, and I knew I had been hit, and I immediately assumed, because of the amount of blood, and in fact, that it had obviously passed through my chest. that I had probably been fatally hit.

So I merely doubled up, and then turned to my right again and began to--I just sat there, and Mrs. Connally pulled me over to her lap. She was sitting, of course, on the jump seat, so I reclined with my head in her lap, conscious all the time, and

with my eyes open; and then, of course, the third shot sounded, and I heard the shot very clearly. I heard it hit him. I heard the shot hit something, and I assumed again--it never entered my mind that it ever hit anybody but the President. I heard it
hit. It was a very loud noise, just that audible, very clear.

Immediately I could see on my clothes, my clothing, I could see on the interior of the car which, as I recall, was a pale blue, brain tissue, which I immediately recognized, and I recall very well, on my trousers there was one chunk of brain tissue

as big as almost my thumb, thumbnail, and again I did not see the President at any time either after the first, second, or third shots, but I assumed always that it was he who was hit and no one else.

So how could brain matter end up in front of JFK if the blowout had been limited to the rear of the head?

Did it ever occur to you that blood and brain matter being spread in different directions is evidence that the brain was hit from different directions ?

Motorcycle Officer James Chaney said he saw the President, "struck in the face".
https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/James-chaney.mp4

William Newman said the President was hit "in the side of the temple". https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/william-newman.mp4

The Parkland doctors said the exit wound was in the rear of the head. https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/parkland-doctors.mp4

The Willis family was in Dealey Plaza and saw "the back of the President's head come off".
https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/willis-women.mp4

Another Dealey Plaza witness, Charles Brehm, said that, “I saw a piece ( of Kennedy’s skull ) fly over in the area of the curb where I was standing…it seemed as if it came left and back.”
https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/brehm.mp4

FBI man Frank O'Neill was at the autopsy and saw a large hole at the rear of the head.
https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/FBI-man-saw-Massive-wound-in-right-rear-of-JFK-skull.mp4

Witnesses who saw the autopsy photos said there was a large hole in the rear of the head.
https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/dennis-david.mp4 https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/joe-odonnell.mp4

The bevelling evidence indicates at least one shot exited the head at the rear.
https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/F8-2.jpg

The autopsy report notes on page 4 that the largest fragment of bone recovered from the President's skull had, "bevelling on the outer table", indicative of an exit wound.
https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/WH_Vol16_981-autopsy-report-4.jpg

How much more corroborating evidence do you need of a shot from the front ?

Conspiracy folks have risen looking at the wrong things incorrectly to an art form.

It's all here for you and the rest of the deniers to cry about: https://gil-jesus.com/head-games/

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On Thu, 2 Nov 2023 12:25:10 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirslick@fast.net>
wrote:

So, according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval" shape that was
"virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

Chickenshit is TERRIFIED of this simple honest question. He knows
that Bugliosi was a moron if he truly thought this... yet you can't
get Chickenshit to publicly acknowledge that Bugliosi said this.

It's a simple "Yes" or "No" question, and Chickenshit cannot cite
where he has EVER answered it. (Without immediately denying it.)

So it's going to keep getting asked until Chickenshit answers it.

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On Thursday, November 2, 2023 at 11:23:49 AM UTC-5, Gil Jesus wrote:

On Thursday, November 2, 2023 at 11:19:33 AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:

For decades, CTs have been arguing that the ER team at Parkland had described a blowout wound in the rear of JFK's head. Yet John Connally testified that he had been showered with brain material following the head shot.

Mr. SPECTER. What is the best estimate that you have as to the time span between the sound of the first shot and the feeling of someone hitting you in the back which you just described?
Governor CONNALLY. A very, very brief span of time. Again my trend of thought just happened to be, I suppose along this line, I immediately thought that this--that I had been shot. I knew it when I just looked down and I was covered with blood, and

the thought immediately passed through my mind that there were either two or three people involved or more in this or someone was shooting with an automatic rifle. These were just thoughts that went through my mind because of the rapidity of these two,
of the first shot plus the blow that I took, and I knew I had been hit, and I immediately assumed, because of the amount of blood, and in fact, that it had obviously passed through my chest. that I had probably been fatally hit.

So I merely doubled up, and then turned to my right again and began to--I just sat there, and Mrs. Connally pulled me over to her lap. She was sitting, of course, on the jump seat, so I reclined with my head in her lap, conscious all the time, and

with my eyes open; and then, of course, the third shot sounded, and I heard the shot very clearly. I heard it hit him. I heard the shot hit something, and I assumed again--it never entered my mind that it ever hit anybody but the President. I heard it
hit. It was a very loud noise, just that audible, very clear.

Immediately I could see on my clothes, my clothing, I could see on the interior of the car which, as I recall, was a pale blue, brain tissue, which I immediately recognized, and I recall very well, on my trousers there was one chunk of brain tissue

as big as almost my thumb, thumbnail, and again I did not see the President at any time either after the first, second, or third shots, but I assumed always that it was he who was hit and no one else.

So how could brain matter end up in front of JFK if the blowout had been limited to the rear of the head?

Did it ever occur to you that blood and brain matter being spread in different directions is evidence that the brain was hit from different directions ?

Motorcycle Officer James Chaney said he saw the President, "struck in the face".
https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/James-chaney.mp4

Did he see JFK "struck in the face," or do people sometimes speak imperfectly or convey their impressions imprecisely? Okay one shot "in the face," which Gil will decline to point out using a Z film frame number for reference.

William Newman said the President was hit "in the side of the temple". https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/william-newman.mp4

So two shots to the head? One "in the face" and one in the side of the temple?

The Parkland doctors said the exit wound was in the rear of the head. https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/parkland-doctors.mp4

Yet the main Parkland players saw the autopsy photos in 1988 and basically agreed with them.

The Willis family was in Dealey Plaza and saw "the back of the President's head come off".
https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/willis-women.mp4

Shot number three to the head? Did the back of his head come off, or is this a figure of speech, or perhaps ordinary persons under duress imperfectly relaying verbally what they had an impression of?

Another Dealey Plaza witness, Charles Brehm, said that, “I saw a piece ( of Kennedy’s skull ) fly over in the area of the curb where I was standing…it seemed as if it came left and back.”
https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/brehm.mp4

Charles Brehm could tell this was a skull bone in those split seconds? No doubt blood and gore was flying all over as we can see it in the Zapruder film that Team Oswald, by the way, says WAS ALTERED.

FBI man Frank O'Neill was at the autopsy and saw a large hole at the rear of the head.
https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/FBI-man-saw-Massive-wound-in-right-rear-of-JFK-skull.mp4

Subjective. I guess one could say ANY HOLE caused by a high speed projectile that completely penetrates the skull into the brain cavity is a large hole.

Witnesses who saw the autopsy photos said there was a large hole in the rear of the head.

Then why don't the autopsy photos show this?

https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/dennis-david.mp4 https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/joe-odonnell.mp4

The bevelling evidence indicates at least one shot exited the head at the rear.
https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/F8-2.jpg

Then why didn't the autopsy report conclude that a shot exited the rear of JFK's head?

The autopsy report notes on page 4 that the largest fragment of bone recovered from the President's skull had, "bevelling on the outer table", indicative of an exit wound.
https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/WH_Vol16_981-autopsy-report-4.jpg

See above. The autopsy report says JFK was struck only once in the head, and the shot was from behind.

How much more corroborating evidence do you need of a shot from the front ?

How much more do you need that he wasn't?

Dr. Humes, interviewed in 1992:

"In 1963, we proved at the autopsy table that President Kennedy was struck from above and behind by the fatal shot," Dr. Humes said, adding, "I am tired of being beaten upon by people who are supremely ignorant of the scientific facts of the President's
death."

Supremely ignorant of the scientific facts of the President's death. He must have had Gil Jesus in mind.

It's all here for you and the rest of the deniers to cry about:

Or laugh at.

https://gil-jesus.com/head-games/

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On Thu, 2 Nov 2023 20:11:29 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler <chuckschuyler123@gmail.com> wrote:

On Thursday, November 2, 2023 at 11:23:49?AM UTC-5, Gil Jesus wrote:

On Thursday, November 2, 2023 at 11:19:33?AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:

For decades, CTs have been arguing that the ER team at Parkland had
described a blowout wound in the rear of JFK's head. Yet John Connally
testified that he had been showered with brain material following the head >>> shot.

Mr. SPECTER. What is the best estimate that you have as to the time span between the sound of the first shot and the feeling of someone hitting you in the back which you just described?
Governor CONNALLY. A very, very brief span of time. Again my trend of thought just happened to be, I suppose along this line, I immediately thought that this--that I had been shot. I knew it when I just looked down and I was covered with blood, and

the thought immediately passed through my mind that there were either two or three people involved or more in this or someone was shooting with an automatic rifle. These were just thoughts that went through my mind because of the rapidity of these two,
of the first shot plus the blow that I took, and I knew I had been hit, and I immediately assumed, because of the amount of blood, and in fact, that it had obviously passed through my chest. that I had probably been fatally hit.

So I merely doubled up, and then turned to my right again and began to--I just sat there, and Mrs. Connally pulled me over to her lap. She was sitting, of course, on the jump seat, so I reclined with my head in her lap, conscious all the time, and

with my eyes open; and then, of course, the third shot sounded, and I heard the shot very clearly. I heard it hit him. I heard the shot hit something, and I assumed again--it never entered my mind that it ever hit anybody but the President. I heard it
hit. It was a very loud noise, just that audible, very clear.

Immediately I could see on my clothes, my clothing, I could see on the interior of the car which, as I recall, was a pale blue, brain tissue, which I immediately recognized, and I recall very well, on my trousers there was one chunk of brain tissue

as big as almost my thumb, thumbnail, and again I did not see the President at any time either after the first, second, or third shots, but I assumed always that it was he who was hit and no one else.

So how could brain matter end up in front of JFK if the blowout had been limited to the rear of the head?

Did it ever occur to you that blood and brain matter being spread in different directions is evidence that the brain was hit from different directions ?

Motorcycle Officer James Chaney said he saw the President, "struck in the face".
https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/James-chaney.mp4

Did he see JFK "struck in the face," or do people sometimes speak
imperfectly or convey their impressions imprecisely?

Not a refutation. You're stuck agreeing that James Chaney said what
he said. It was *YOUR* burden... **YOU** needed to call him to
testify. So stop whining and admit your fault.

Okay one shot "in the face," which Gil will decline to point out
using a Z film frame number for reference.

As will you. You're denigrating Gil FOR SOMETHING YOU YOURSELF REFUSE
TO DO.

William Newman said the President was hit "in the side of the temple".
https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/william-newman.mp4

So two shots to the head? One "in the face" and one in the side of the temple?

Did Chaney say this? Did Newman say this? Did Gil say this? WHERE
ARE YOU GETTING YOUR FALSE CLAIM FROM???

The Parkland doctors said the exit wound was in the rear of the head.
https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/parkland-doctors.mp4

Yet the main Parkland players saw the autopsy photos in 1988 and basically agreed with them.

We know that this is a lie, according to Chickenshit - who pointed out
that when you make a naked claim without sourcing it, citing for it,
or in any way supporting it - that its clearly a lie.

Why are you lying, Chuckles?

The Willis family was in Dealey Plaza and saw "the back of the President's head come off".
https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/willis-women.mp4

Shot number three to the head?

Who said this? Why are you inventing assertions that you can't cite
for???

Clearly, just another lie on your part.

Did the back of his head come off, or is this a figure of speech, or
perhaps ordinary persons under duress imperfectly relaying verbally
what they had an impression of?

Corroborated by other witnesses, the medical testimony, and the
autopsy.

You lose!

Another Dealey Plaza witness, Charles Brehm, said that, �I saw a piece ( of Kennedy�s skull ) fly over in the area of the curb where I was standing�it seemed as if it came left and back.�
https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/brehm.mp4

Charles Brehm could tell this was a skull bone in those split
seconds?

Yes... clearly it was a thrown baseball. This is the sort of
stupidity that Chuckles is famous for, folks!

Now, unless you can document your claim that Brehm made this statement
JUST SPLIT SECONDS AFTER WITNESSING IT - you've been proven a liar ...
again.

FBI man Frank O'Neill was at the autopsy and saw a large hole at the rear of the head.
https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/FBI-man-saw-Massive-wound-in-right-rear-of-JFK-skull.mp4

Subjective.

I Do Not Think It Means What You Think It Means.

I guess one could say ANY HOLE caused by a high speed projectile
that completely penetrates the skull into the brain cavity is a large hole.

Particularly when it's the size of a small orange.

Witnesses who saw the autopsy photos said there was a large hole in the rear of the head.

Then why don't the autopsy photos show this?

What autopsy photos???

You clearly don't believe the Autopsy Report - it quite clearly
described a large hole in the back of JFK's head.

https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/dennis-david.mp4
https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/joe-odonnell.mp4

The bevelling evidence indicates at least one shot exited the head at the rear.
https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/F8-2.jpg

Then why didn't the autopsy report conclude that a shot exited the rear of JFK's head?

You don't believe the Autopsy Report - why are you trying to pretend
you do?

The autopsy report notes on page 4 that the largest fragment of bone recovered from the President's skull had, "bevelling on the outer table", indicative of an exit wound.
https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/WH_Vol16_981-autopsy-report-4.jpg

See above. The autopsy report says JFK was struck only once in the head, and the shot was from behind.

See above - you don't believe the Autopsy Report.

How much more corroborating evidence do you need of a shot from the front ?

Logical fallacy deleted.

It's all here for you and the rest of the deniers to cry about:

https://gil-jesus.com/head-games/

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