• Questions for the self-proclaimed "more knowledgeable one, Hank Sienzan

    From Gil Jesus@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 23 03:56:56 2023
    There are many questions that I have about this case and I feel compelled to go to a reliable source, the self proclaimed "more knowledgeable"
    one, Hank Sienzant. I'm sure Hank in his infinite wisdom and knowledge will have no problem answering ALL of the questions in this series:

    1. It has been said ( by John Corbett ) that there was no problem with the chain of custody with ANY of the evidence in the case against Oswald.
    https://groups.google.com/g/alt.conspiracy.jfk/c/6XMI-cxztKo/m/ETkARmrNAwAJ

    The receipt signed by FBI agent Vincent Drain on 11/28/63 when he received the four shells from the Tippit murder from the Dallas Police
    lists the two Remington-Peters shells as containing the intials "RD" and one Western shell containing the intials either "DC" or "DO".
    https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/DPD-Box-7-pg.-478.png

    None of these are the initials of anyone known to have handled the shells.

    Question # 2: Whose initials are these ? Where do they fit in in the chain of custody ? Why aren't they mentioned in that chain ?

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  • From John Corbett@21:1/5 to Gil Jesus on Mon Oct 23 04:59:17 2023
    On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 6:56:57 AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    There are many questions that I have about this case and I feel compelled to go to a reliable source, the self proclaimed "more knowledgeable"
    one, Hank Sienzant. I'm sure Hank in his infinite wisdom and knowledge will have no problem answering ALL of the questions in this series:

    1. It has been said ( by John Corbett ) that there was no problem with the chain of custody with ANY of the evidence in the case against Oswald.
    https://groups.google.com/g/alt.conspiracy.jfk/c/6XMI-cxztKo/m/ETkARmrNAwAJ

    The receipt signed by FBI agent Vincent Drain on 11/28/63 when he received the four shells from the Tippit murder from the Dallas Police
    lists the two Remington-Peters shells as containing the intials "RD" and one Western shell containing the intials either "DC" or "DO".
    https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/DPD-Box-7-pg.-478.png

    None of these are the initials of anyone known to have handled the shells.

    Question # 2: Whose initials are these ? Where do they fit in in the chain of custody ? Why aren't they mentioned in that chain ?

    Keep focusing on all the wrong things, Gil, while ignoring the evidence that proves conclusively
    Oswald was the assassin. That way you can remain clueless for another 60 years. Of course,
    you'll be dead long before that but it won't have any effect on your ability to process information.

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  • From NoTrueFlags Here@21:1/5 to John Corbett on Mon Oct 23 05:11:52 2023
    On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 7:59:19 AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 6:56:57 AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    There are many questions that I have about this case and I feel compelled to go to a reliable source, the self proclaimed "more knowledgeable"
    one, Hank Sienzant. I'm sure Hank in his infinite wisdom and knowledge will have no problem answering ALL of the questions in this series:

    1. It has been said ( by John Corbett ) that there was no problem with the chain of custody with ANY of the evidence in the case against Oswald.
    https://groups.google.com/g/alt.conspiracy.jfk/c/6XMI-cxztKo/m/ETkARmrNAwAJ

    The receipt signed by FBI agent Vincent Drain on 11/28/63 when he received the four shells from the Tippit murder from the Dallas Police
    lists the two Remington-Peters shells as containing the intials "RD" and one Western shell containing the intials either "DC" or "DO".
    https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/DPD-Box-7-pg.-478.png

    None of these are the initials of anyone known to have handled the shells.

    Question # 2: Whose initials are these ? Where do they fit in in the chain of custody ? Why aren't they mentioned in that chain ?
    Keep focusing on all the wrong things, Gil, while ignoring the evidence that proves conclusively
    Oswald was the assassin. That way you can remain clueless for another 60 years. Of course,
    you'll be dead long before that but it won't have any effect on your ability to process information.
    This is what a moron looks like when he's trying to be clever.

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  • From Gil Jesus@21:1/5 to John Corbett on Mon Oct 23 05:58:17 2023
    On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 7:59:19 AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    Keep focusing on all the wrong things, Gil, while ignoring the evidence that proves conclusively
    Oswald was the assassin. That way you can remain clueless for another 60 years. Of course,
    you'll be dead long before that but it won't have any effect on your ability to process information.

    The wrong things ?

    Initials on the evidence from persons not known to have handled it and that's not a problem with the
    chain of custody ?

    ROFLMAO

    This series isn't geared to you, but since you can't resist sticking your silly comments in, answer the questions John:

    If these shells are legitimate, whose initials are these ?
    Where do they fit in in the chain of custody ?
    Why aren't they mentioned in that chain ?

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to geowright1963@gmail.com on Mon Oct 23 06:14:15 2023
    On Mon, 23 Oct 2023 04:59:17 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett <geowright1963@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 6:56:57?AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    There are many questions that I have about this case and I feel compelled to go to a reliable source, the self proclaimed "more knowledgeable"
    one, Hank Sienzant. I'm sure Hank in his infinite wisdom and knowledge will have no problem answering ALL of the questions in this series:

    1. It has been said ( by John Corbett ) that there was no problem with the chain of custody with ANY of the evidence in the case against Oswald.
    https://groups.google.com/g/alt.conspiracy.jfk/c/6XMI-cxztKo/m/ETkARmrNAwAJ >>
    The receipt signed by FBI agent Vincent Drain on 11/28/63 when he received the four shells from the Tippit murder from the Dallas Police
    lists the two Remington-Peters shells as containing the intials "RD" and one Western shell containing the intials either "DC" or "DO".
    https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/DPD-Box-7-pg.-478.png

    None of these are the initials of anyone known to have handled the shells. >>
    Question # 2: Whose initials are these ? Where do they fit in in the chain of custody ? Why aren't they mentioned in that chain ?

    Logical fallacy deleted. Corbutt refused to answer...

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to gjjmail1202@gmail.com on Mon Oct 23 06:14:15 2023
    On Mon, 23 Oct 2023 05:58:17 -0700 (PDT), Gil Jesus
    <gjjmail1202@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 7:59:19?AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    Keep focusing on all the wrong things, Gil, while ignoring the evidence that proves conclusively
    Oswald was the assassin. That way you can remain clueless for another 60 years. Of course,
    you'll be dead long before that but it won't have any effect on your ability to process information.

    The wrong things ?

    Initials on the evidence from persons not known to have handled it and that's not a problem with the
    chain of custody ?

    ROFLMAO

    This series isn't geared to you, but since you can't resist sticking your silly comments in, answer the questions John:

    If these shells are legitimate, whose initials are these ?
    Where do they fit in in the chain of custody ?
    Why aren't they mentioned in that chain ?

    The burden to answer these questions was on the WC. As they did not,
    it then falls to the people defending the WC.

    Unfortunately, none of the errors & problems we point out can be
    answered or dealt with by believers.

    And that fact tells the tale.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to geowright1963@gmail.com on Mon Oct 23 06:22:01 2023
    On Mon, 23 Oct 2023 06:15:38 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett <geowright1963@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 8:58:18?AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 7:59:19?AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    Keep focusing on all the wrong things, Gil, while ignoring the evidence that proves conclusively
    Oswald was the assassin. That way you can remain clueless for another 60 years. Of course,
    you'll be dead long before that but it won't have any effect on your ability to process information.

    The wrong things ?

    Initials on the evidence from persons not known to have handled it and that's not a problem with the
    chain of custody ?


    Watch carefully folks, Corbutt isn't going to address the point that
    Gil just made ... AT ALL.


    Chain of custody is only needed to be established at trial.


    You asserted that the documentation ALREADY EXISTED to prove chain of
    custody.

    Yet you continue to refuse to admit you claimed that - or to support
    that claim.

    Why is that, liar?

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  • From John Corbett@21:1/5 to Gil Jesus on Mon Oct 23 06:15:38 2023
    On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 8:58:18 AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 7:59:19 AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    Keep focusing on all the wrong things, Gil, while ignoring the evidence that proves conclusively
    Oswald was the assassin. That way you can remain clueless for another 60 years. Of course,
    you'll be dead long before that but it won't have any effect on your ability to process information.
    The wrong things ?

    Initials on the evidence from persons not known to have handled it and that's not a problem with the
    chain of custody ?

    Chain of custody is only needed to be established at trial. There was no trial, dumbass. Ergo
    no chain of custody issue. Keep pretending this hasn't been explained to you numerous times.

    ROFLMAO

    This series isn't geared to you, but since you can't resist sticking your silly comments in, answer the questions John:

    You invoked my name, asshole. That's an invitation for me to respond, not that I need one.

    If these shells are legitimate, whose initials are these ?

    Who gives a fuck?

    Where do they fit in in the chain of custody ?

    Who gives a fuck?

    Why aren't they mentioned in that chain ?

    Who gives a fuck?

    Since you seem to be the only one who gives a fuck, why don't you find out the answers to
    these inane questions?

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  • From Gil Jesus@21:1/5 to John Corbett on Mon Oct 23 08:15:01 2023
    On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 9:15:40 AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    Chain of custody is only needed to be established at trial.
    There was no trial, dumbass. Ergo no chain of custody issue.

    Who told you that, Einstein ?

    No, you're the fucking dumbass.
    Chain of custody is established by the first person who handles the evidence. The chain of custody record is established and the documentation stays with the evidence.
    Each person that handles the evidence is required to fill out the record.

    https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/COC-bag.jpg

    If 25 people handle the evidence, how are you going to establish that at trial ?
    How do you know their names ?
    How do you know what dates they handled the evidence ?
    How do you know how long the evidence was in their possession ?
    How do you know the reason it was in their possession ?

    https://projects.nfstc.org/property_crimes/module03/pro_m03_t17.htm

    NO, A RECORD HAS TO BE KEPT, ASSHOLE.
    YOU DON'T GUESS AT IT AT TRIAL.

    The chain of possession is not established at trial.
    It's established by the first person who handled it and AUTHENTICATED at trial by the testimony of those same witnesses who handled it.

    Fucking lump.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to gjjmail1202@gmail.com on Mon Oct 23 08:28:55 2023
    On Mon, 23 Oct 2023 08:19:44 -0700 (PDT), Gil Jesus
    <gjjmail1202@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 9:22:06?AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    You asserted that the documentation ALREADY EXISTED to prove chain of
    custody.

    Yet you continue to refuse to admit you claimed that - or to support that claim.

    Why is that, liar?

    First he said the documentation existed, now he's making excuses for why it doesn't.
    He's in "damage control" mode and he's not doing too well in that.
    ROFLMAO


    He isn't honest enough to admit a mistake.

    That makes it a lie.

    Nor is any other believer honest enough to call out Corbutt on his
    proven lie.

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  • From Gil Jesus@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Mon Oct 23 08:19:44 2023
    On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 9:22:06 AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    You asserted that the documentation ALREADY EXISTED to prove chain of custody.

    Yet you continue to refuse to admit you claimed that - or to support that claim.

    Why is that, liar?

    First he said the documentation existed, now he's making excuses for why it doesn't.
    He's in "damage control" mode and he's not doing too well in that.
    ROFLMAO

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  • From Gil Jesus@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Mon Oct 23 08:33:54 2023
    On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 11:28:59 AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    He isn't honest enough to admit a mistake.

    That makes it a lie.

    Nor is any other believer honest enough to call out Corbutt on his
    proven lie.

    His whole theory of establishing a chain of custody at trial makes no sense. What if the case doesn't go to trial for a year or 18 months ?
    How can any one person know who handled the evidence ?
    That's just not the way it's done. It's ridiculous. It's stupid. Just like him.

    ( and he still hasn't answered the question of whose initials were on those shells, has he ? )

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to gjjmail1202@gmail.com on Mon Oct 23 09:19:11 2023
    On Mon, 23 Oct 2023 08:15:01 -0700 (PDT), Gil Jesus
    <gjjmail1202@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 9:15:40?AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    Chain of custody is only needed to be established at trial.
    There was no trial, dumbass. Ergo no chain of custody issue.

    Who told you that, Einstein ?

    No, you're the fucking dumbass.
    Chain of custody is established by the first person who handles the evidence. >The chain of custody record is established and the documentation stays with the evidence.
    Each person that handles the evidence is required to fill out the record.

    https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/COC-bag.jpg

    If 25 people handle the evidence, how are you going to establish that at trial ?
    How do you know their names ?
    How do you know what dates they handled the evidence ?
    How do you know how long the evidence was in their possession ?
    How do you know the reason it was in their possession ?

    https://projects.nfstc.org/property_crimes/module03/pro_m03_t17.htm

    NO, A RECORD HAS TO BE KEPT, ASSHOLE.
    YOU DON'T GUESS AT IT AT TRIAL.

    The chain of possession is not established at trial.
    It's established by the first person who handled it and AUTHENTICATED at trial by the testimony of those same witnesses who handled it.

    Fucking lump.


    Notice folks - that only Gil is supplying citations that support what
    he says.

    Believers like Corbutt & Chickenshit are only speculating without any evidence...

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to gjjmail1202@gmail.com on Mon Oct 23 09:25:40 2023
    On Mon, 23 Oct 2023 08:33:54 -0700 (PDT), Gil Jesus
    <gjjmail1202@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 11:28:59?AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    He isn't honest enough to admit a mistake.

    That makes it a lie.

    Nor is any other believer honest enough to call out Corbutt on his
    proven lie.

    His whole theory of establishing a chain of custody at trial makes no sense. >What if the case doesn't go to trial for a year or 18 months ?
    How can any one person know who handled the evidence ?
    That's just not the way it's done. It's ridiculous. It's stupid. Just like him.

    ( and he still hasn't answered the question of whose initials were on those shells, has he ? )

    Like *all* believers in this forum, he's evaded or run from ALL
    questions we critics raise.

    And that fact tells the tale...

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  • From John Corbett@21:1/5 to Gil Jesus on Mon Oct 23 10:21:41 2023
    On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 11:33:56 AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 11:28:59 AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    He isn't honest enough to admit a mistake.

    That makes it a lie.

    Nor is any other believer honest enough to call out Corbutt on his
    proven lie.
    His whole theory of establishing a chain of custody at trial makes no sense.

    More of your piss poor reading comprehension. I said it would be REQUIRED at trial. Such a
    requirement would mean it would have to be produced before the trial.

    What if the case doesn't go to trial for a year or 18 months ?

    They would have 18 months to complete it.

    How can any one person know who handled the evidence ?

    That's just not the way it's done. It's ridiculous. It's stupid. Just like him.

    So tell us how it's done. What did that correspondence law school tell you about when such
    documentation would have to be created.

    ( and he still hasn't answered the question of whose initials were on those shells, has he ? )

    And I never will because I don't know and I don't give shit. Since you seem to be they one who
    thinks that is important, why aren't you trying to find out what those initials indicate?

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  • From John Corbett@21:1/5 to Gil Jesus on Mon Oct 23 10:15:17 2023
    On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 11:15:05 AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 9:15:40 AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    Chain of custody is only needed to be established at trial.
    There was no trial, dumbass. Ergo no chain of custody issue.
    Who told you that, Einstein ?

    No, you're the fucking dumbass.
    Chain of custody is established by the first person who handles the evidence.
    The chain of custody record is established and the documentation stays with the evidence.
    Each person that handles the evidence is required to fill out the record.

    https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/COC-bag.jpg

    If 25 people handle the evidence, how are you going to establish that at trial ?
    How do you know their names ?
    How do you know what dates they handled the evidence ?
    How do you know how long the evidence was in their possession ?
    How do you know the reason it was in their possession ?

    https://projects.nfstc.org/property_crimes/module03/pro_m03_t17.htm

    NO, A RECORD HAS TO BE KEPT, ASSHOLE.
    YOU DON'T GUESS AT IT AT TRIAL.

    The chain of possession is not established at trial.
    It's established by the first person who handled it and AUTHENTICATED at trial by the testimony of those same witnesses who handled it.

    Fucking lump.

    This is where your poor reading comprehension and lacking of reasoning skills betray you.
    There is no chain of custody issue because that is something that must be produced at trial.
    Once it was known there would be no trial, it became totally unnecessary to document the
    chain of custody. How far along they had gotten in creating that documentation is anybody's
    guess, but it's unlikely that after just 48 hours, they would have gotten very far along on that
    paperwork. So we not only don't know what if any documenting they had done with the
    evidence, we don't know what the filing requirements would have been nor the retention
    requirements for said documentation. You are the one who keeps insisting that there should
    be a record of that documenation. For that to be true, you would have to show that the standard
    procedure would be to complete the chain of custody documentation even though it would
    no longer be needed at trial, that after it was clear there would be no trial, the documentation
    would be filed, and that said documentation would be kept in perpetuity. If you could do all that,
    you would then need to determine where in 2023 such documentation should be and that it is
    not there.

    Seems like you have a lot that needs to get done. The sooner you get on it, the better.

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  • From Bud@21:1/5 to Gil Jesus on Mon Oct 23 11:45:48 2023
    On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 8:58:18 AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 7:59:19 AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    Keep focusing on all the wrong things, Gil, while ignoring the evidence that proves conclusively
    Oswald was the assassin. That way you can remain clueless for another 60 years. Of course,
    you'll be dead long before that but it won't have any effect on your ability to process information.
    The wrong things ?

    Initials on the evidence from persons not known to have handled it and that's not a problem with the
    chain of custody ?

    Have you ever seen these initials?

    ROFLMAO

    This series isn't geared to you, but since you can't resist sticking your silly comments in, answer the questions John:

    If these shells are legitimate, whose initials are these ?
    Where do they fit in in the chain of custody ?
    Why aren't they mentioned in that chain ?

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to geowright1963@gmail.com on Mon Oct 23 12:24:18 2023
    On Mon, 23 Oct 2023 10:15:17 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett <geowright1963@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 11:15:05?AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 9:15:40?AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    Chain of custody is only needed to be established at trial.
    There was no trial, dumbass. Ergo no chain of custody issue.
    Who told you that, Einstein ?

    No, you're the fucking dumbass.
    Chain of custody is established by the first person who handles the evidence.
    The chain of custody record is established and the documentation stays with the evidence.
    Each person that handles the evidence is required to fill out the record.

    https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/COC-bag.jpg

    If 25 people handle the evidence, how are you going to establish that at trial ?
    How do you know their names ?
    How do you know what dates they handled the evidence ?
    How do you know how long the evidence was in their possession ?
    How do you know the reason it was in their possession ?

    https://projects.nfstc.org/property_crimes/module03/pro_m03_t17.htm

    NO, A RECORD HAS TO BE KEPT, ASSHOLE.
    YOU DON'T GUESS AT IT AT TRIAL.

    The chain of possession is not established at trial.
    It's established by the first person who handled it and AUTHENTICATED at trial by the testimony of those same witnesses who handled it.

    Fucking lump.

    This is where your poor reading comprehension and lacking of reasoning skills betray you...

    Your wacky lies aren't the topic.

    Your cowardice and inability to cite for your wacky claims is.

    Own it.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 23 12:25:09 2023
    On Mon, 23 Oct 2023 11:45:48 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirslick@fast.net>
    wrote:


    So, according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval" shape that was
    "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

    Chickenshit is TERRIFIED of this simple honest question. He knows
    that Bugliosi was a moron if he truly thought this... yet you can't
    get Chickenshit to publicly acknowledge that Bugliosi said this.

    It's a simple "Yes" or "No" question, and Chickenshit cannot cite
    where he has EVER answered it. (Without immediately denying it.)

    So it's going to keep getting asked until Chickenshit answers it.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to geowright1963@gmail.com on Mon Oct 23 12:23:16 2023
    On Mon, 23 Oct 2023 10:21:41 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett <geowright1963@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 11:33:56?AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 11:28:59?AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    He isn't honest enough to admit a mistake.

    That makes it a lie.

    Nor is any other believer honest enough to call out Corbutt on his
    proven lie.
    His whole theory of establishing a chain of custody at trial makes no sense.

    More of your piss poor reading comprehension. I said it would be REQUIRED at trial. Such a
    requirement would mean it would have to be produced before the trial.


    More of your poor reasoning comprehension... Gil has pointed that it
    would have been created contemporaneously, not at trial.


    What if the case doesn't go to trial for a year or 18 months ?

    They would have 18 months to complete it.


    Nope.


    How can any one person know who handled the evidence ?

    That's just not the way it's done. It's ridiculous. It's stupid. Just like him.

    So tell us how it's done.


    Why don't YOU start citing for your claims?


    ( and he still hasn't answered the question of whose initials were on those shells, has he ? )

    And I never will...


    Of course not.

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  • From recipient.x@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Gil Jesus on Mon Oct 23 15:47:41 2023
    On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 5:56:57 AM UTC-5, Gil Jesus wrote:
    There are many questions that I have about this case and I feel compelled to go to a reliable source, the self proclaimed "more knowledgeable"
    one, Hank Sienzant. I'm sure Hank in his infinite wisdom and knowledge will have no problem answering ALL of the questions in this series:

    1. It has been said ( by John Corbett ) that there was no problem with the chain of custody with ANY of the evidence in the case against Oswald.
    https://groups.google.com/g/alt.conspiracy.jfk/c/6XMI-cxztKo/m/ETkARmrNAwAJ

    The receipt signed by FBI agent Vincent Drain on 11/28/63 when he received the four shells from the Tippit murder from the Dallas Police
    lists the two Remington-Peters shells as containing the intials "RD" and one Western shell containing the intials either "DC" or "DO".
    https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/DPD-Box-7-pg.-478.png

    None of these are the initials of anyone known to have handled the shells.

    Question # 2: Whose initials are these ? Where do they fit in in the chain of custody ? Why aren't they mentioned in that chain ?

    The "initials" don't actually have to be someone's actual initials, they just have to be a
    distinctive identifier. For instance, the FBI's Courtland Cunningham marked items with,
    IIRC, "JH" rather than his own "CC" since it was decided that "CC" could be misinterpreted
    as an abbreviation for "carbon copy"

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  • From John Corbett@21:1/5 to recip...@gmail.com on Mon Oct 23 16:46:26 2023
    On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 6:47:43 PM UTC-4, recip...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 5:56:57 AM UTC-5, Gil Jesus wrote:
    There are many questions that I have about this case and I feel compelled to go to a reliable source, the self proclaimed "more knowledgeable"
    one, Hank Sienzant. I'm sure Hank in his infinite wisdom and knowledge will have no problem answering ALL of the questions in this series:

    1. It has been said ( by John Corbett ) that there was no problem with the chain of custody with ANY of the evidence in the case against Oswald.
    https://groups.google.com/g/alt.conspiracy.jfk/c/6XMI-cxztKo/m/ETkARmrNAwAJ

    The receipt signed by FBI agent Vincent Drain on 11/28/63 when he received the four shells from the Tippit murder from the Dallas Police
    lists the two Remington-Peters shells as containing the intials "RD" and one Western shell containing the intials either "DC" or "DO".
    https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/DPD-Box-7-pg.-478.png

    None of these are the initials of anyone known to have handled the shells.

    Question # 2: Whose initials are these ? Where do they fit in in the chain of custody ? Why aren't they mentioned in that chain ?
    The "initials" don't actually have to be someone's actual initials, they just have to be a
    distinctive identifier. For instance, the FBI's Courtland Cunningham marked items with,
    IIRC, "JH" rather than his own "CC" since it was decided that "CC" could be misinterpreted
    as an abbreviation for "carbon copy"

    This is why I don't fret over things like this. Like most CTs, Gil takes every unknown to be and
    indication of something nefarious rather than considering other possibilities, most of which are
    rather mundane.

    It is not necessary to answer every last question in order to figure out who killed JFK. We have
    all the evidence we need to conclude without a doubt Oswald was the assassin as well as a cop
    killer. If it was necessary to resolve every last unknown answer, I doubt we would be able to
    convict anyone of any crime. There are always going to be things that are unknown.

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  • From NoTrueFlags Here@21:1/5 to recip...@gmail.com on Mon Oct 23 21:04:16 2023
    On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 6:47:43 PM UTC-4, recip...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 5:56:57 AM UTC-5, Gil Jesus wrote:
    There are many questions that I have about this case and I feel compelled to go to a reliable source, the self proclaimed "more knowledgeable"
    one, Hank Sienzant. I'm sure Hank in his infinite wisdom and knowledge will have no problem answering ALL of the questions in this series:

    1. It has been said ( by John Corbett ) that there was no problem with the chain of custody with ANY of the evidence in the case against Oswald.
    https://groups.google.com/g/alt.conspiracy.jfk/c/6XMI-cxztKo/m/ETkARmrNAwAJ

    The receipt signed by FBI agent Vincent Drain on 11/28/63 when he received the four shells from the Tippit murder from the Dallas Police
    lists the two Remington-Peters shells as containing the intials "RD" and one Western shell containing the intials either "DC" or "DO".
    https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/DPD-Box-7-pg.-478.png

    None of these are the initials of anyone known to have handled the shells.

    Question # 2: Whose initials are these ? Where do they fit in in the chain of custody ? Why aren't they mentioned in that chain ?
    The "initials" don't actually have to be someone's actual initials, they just have to be a
    distinctive identifier. For instance, the FBI's Courtland Cunningham marked items with,
    IIRC, "JH" rather than his own "CC" since it was decided that "CC" could be misinterpreted
    as an abbreviation for "carbon copy"
    That's a depraved response. If somebody among the authorities thinks that the bullet hulls might be carbon copies, then the chain of custody has more problems than I had imagined!

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to geowright1963@gmail.com on Tue Oct 24 05:40:51 2023
    On Mon, 23 Oct 2023 16:46:26 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett <geowright1963@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 6:47:43?PM UTC-4, recip...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 5:56:57?AM UTC-5, Gil Jesus wrote:
    There are many questions that I have about this case and I feel compelled to go to a reliable source, the self proclaimed "more knowledgeable"
    one, Hank Sienzant. I'm sure Hank in his infinite wisdom and knowledge will have no problem answering ALL of the questions in this series:

    1. It has been said ( by John Corbett ) that there was no problem with the chain of custody with ANY of the evidence in the case against Oswald.
    https://groups.google.com/g/alt.conspiracy.jfk/c/6XMI-cxztKo/m/ETkARmrNAwAJ >>>
    The receipt signed by FBI agent Vincent Drain on 11/28/63 when he received the four shells from the Tippit murder from the Dallas Police
    lists the two Remington-Peters shells as containing the intials "RD" and one Western shell containing the intials either "DC" or "DO".
    https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/DPD-Box-7-pg.-478.png

    None of these are the initials of anyone known to have handled the shells. >>>
    Question # 2: Whose initials are these ? Where do they fit in in the chain of custody ? Why aren't they mentioned in that chain ?
    The "initials" don't actually have to be someone's actual initials, they just have to be a
    distinctive identifier. For instance, the FBI's Courtland Cunningham marked items with,
    IIRC, "JH" rather than his own "CC" since it was decided that "CC" could be misinterpreted
    as an abbreviation for "carbon copy"

    This is why I don't fret over things like this. Like most CTs, Gil takes every unknown to be and
    indication of something nefarious rather than considering other possibilities, most of which are
    rather mundane.


    You're lying again, Corbutt. You virtually NEVER give these "mundane" explanations.

    You merely assert that they exist.


    It is not necessary to answer every last question


    There you go, lying again. You answer virtually NO questions. Yet
    here you are, pretending and implying that you frequently answer
    questions.


    in order to figure out who killed JFK.


    Of course not. That's done with evidence.


    We have
    all the evidence we need to conclude without a doubt Oswald was the assassin as well as a cop
    killer.


    You're lying again. CITE THIS ALLEGED EVIDENCE!!!


    But you won't.


    If it was necessary to resolve every last unknown answer,


    Your claim... not anything a critic ever said.

    Can you name that logical fallacy?

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