On Wednesday, October 18, 2023 at 5:41:19 AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 3:55:53 PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
First question, if you were a boss and the authorities tried to get you to lie about one of your employees to implicate them in a murder, or you were an employee and they tried to get you to say things you knew were not true or hide things you did
know about a fellow employee, would you do it?
Personally, I think I would tell them to go fuck themselves, and that I would tell everything I knew to be true and nothing that I knew wasn`t true. If they tried to lean on me, either I would go public right away, or wait until it was time to
testify and say "So-and-so tried to get me to say *t
What a liar you are.
That's on top of being a coward.
So you`re an LNers now, Gil.
And why do idiots have such vivid imaginations?
You've already proven that you're too chickenshit of revealing your true identity by posting under an alias screenname.
How would it benefit me to use my real name?
You've already proven that you're too chickenshit to click on a link and look at evidence that conflicts with what you believe because you're afraid of the truth.
If you refuse to make your arguments here there is nothing for me to argue against.
You've already admitted that you're too chickenshit to engage a fellow employee when he expresses his belief that the CIA killed Kennedy.
What does it matter to me whether he thinks the CIA killed Kennedy?
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.conspiracy.jfk/c/jYTjItta_PQ/m/7Zn8BZoHBgAJ
You don't have the balls to go up against a fellow employee, but you'd have the balls to go up against the FBI ?
Just because you can`t tell an apple from an orange doesn`t mean the difference isn`t readily apparent. My co-workers wasn`t trying to get me to commit perjury.
ROFLMAO.
Maybe when pigs fly.
Even if you could muster the courage to challenge the FBI, how would you prove it ? It's your word against theirs.
Why would I care who believes me? I would put it on record.
But the bottom line is I wouldn`t lie for them. Apparently you would.
And because of that, assholes who think like you and your "fellow LNers" would say you're either mistaken, misunderstood what they were saying or simply lying.
The authorities still wouldn`t get me to lie, stupid. That`s the point.
They might even say that you were, "looking at the wrong things incorrectly".
IOW, people who think like you would never believe you.
That includes the press.
So what? How does that get me to lie for them?
And what if, after you exposed the FBI's threats, some man tried to lure your 9-year-old daughter into his car ? Would you recant ?
Would they reconvene the Warren Commission if I did? Once I`m on record, that`s it.
You have no idea how much pressure these witnesses were under to either toe the official line or keep their mouths shut.
By all means show how the pressured Truly to lie. Quickly and totally, to hear conspiracy hobbyists tell it.
How did they accomplish this, Gil?
Over the last 60 years, courageous people have come forward with accounts exposing FBI intimidation and threats.
List all the witnesses you know of who knew "A" was true, but were coerced into saying "B" was true.
People, whose accounts you and your asshole buddies either apply no significance to or don't believe.
They interviewed tens of thousands of witnesses, you are going to get all kinds of people. Mostly these are fringe witnesses who likely would have never been interviewed if this was an ordinary murder. They aren`t the witnesses in the TSBD or at 10th
and Patton.
Robert Oswald testified under oath that Marina was threatened with deportation.
You`re lying, of course. This is what he said...
"Mr. OSWALD. In my presence. And the tone of the reply between this gentle man and Mr. Gopadze, and back to Marina, it was quite evident there was a harshness there, and that Marina did not want to speak to the FBI at that time. And she was refusing to.
And they were insisting, sir. And they implied in so many words, as I sat there--if I might state--with Secret Service Agent Gary Seals, of Mobile, Ala.--we were opening the first batch of mail that had come to Marina and Lee's attention, and we were
perhaps just four or five feet away from where they were attempting this interview, and it came to my ears that they were implying that if she did not cooperate with the FBI agent there, that this would perhaps--I say, again, I am implying--in so many
words, that they would perhaps deport her from the United States and back to Russia."
Since you are stupid you don`t understand that he isn`t stating that Marina was threatened with deportation. He merely felt they were implying this.
But the President of the United States was assassination and she refused to cooperate. If that isn`t grounds for deportation, what is? Hell, I would gotten the information I wanted from her and then deported her. She was the only person on the planet
who might have stopped the assassination. She knew her husband had tried political assassination once before, and she should have told her husband in no uncertain terms that if he didn`t get rid of the rifle she couldn`t see her or the kids. But she did
nothing.
And there is nothing illegal I know of using coercion to get a witness to cooperate in an investigation. As far as I know they will sometimes say to a drug dealers girlfriend "Look, you don`t want to risk losing your kids over this guy, do you?"
Whatever leverage they can use to get them to tell what they know is fair game as far as I know.
Do you believe him ? No.
I believe it was his impression that they were implying they would deport her if she didn`t cooperate. I have no idea what you think this has to do with the premise contained in my questions about getting people to bear false witness against other
people.
W.W. Litchfield testified under oath that he was harassed by the FBI with prison time if he said he saw Oswald in Ruby's bar.
The might no have believed him, and told him the potential ramifications if he committed perjury.
Do you believe him ? No.
Since you an idiot, you don`t understand how this helps my premise. Do you think they could have gotten this guy to lie about seeing Oswald in Ruby`s bar? This only shows the difficulty in getting someone to lie.
Acquilla Clemons told Mark Lane she was told by a "man with a gun" to keep her mouth shut about she saw regarding the Tippit murder.
She didn`t see the Tippit murder, why would she need to be threatened?
Do you believe her ? No.
Again, was she coerced into lying?
Orest Pena testified that FBI agent Warren DeBrueys threatened to kill him if he said anything to the Warren Commission about Oswald and Debrueys.
And yet he did testify to that effect, right? Was he killed?
And thank you for the support that you really can`t get people to lie.
Do you believe him ? No.
It's all documented and all here: https://gil-jesus.com/evidence-of-witness-harrassment/
In every single instance, you and your "fellow LNers" have chosen to believe the authorities over any witness brave enough to come up against the FBI.
This isn`t what you need. You need witnesses who knew one thing to be true, but were coerced into saying something different was true.
You need to show that in very short order they were able to get Truly to lie against an worker of his, even though at the time that person was alive and going to trial.
And the answer seems to be that since you are such a scumbag that you would do this, that you think everyone would.
Bravery, BTW, that you have yet to display in this forum.
"bravery" and "cowardice" charges are just noise you and Ben throw around, those terms have little meaning here.
You proved yourself to be a "chickenshit" coward a long time ago.
Now you can add liar to your resume'.
Why do idiots have such vivid imaginations?
Congratulations.
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