That's what the evidence says, because Kaminski and his bosses were not yet at the TSBD at 12:45, but Lumpkin was there by 12:49. Lumpkin, apparently, gave the order for the exit chats carried out by Kaminski and Truly. So, if guilty Oswald had beenaccosted by Baker at about 12:33, then I don't think it likely that he would wait so long to leave the building. Oswald might have lied about this during his interrogation.
On Sunday, October 15, 2023 at 10:36:24 PM UTC-4, NoTrueFlags Here wrote:accosted by Baker at about 12:33, then I don't think it likely that he would wait so long to leave the building. Oswald might have lied about this during his interrogation.
That's what the evidence says, because Kaminski and his bosses were not yet at the TSBD at 12:45, but Lumpkin was there by 12:49. Lumpkin, apparently, gave the order for the exit chats carried out by Kaminski and Truly. So, if guilty Oswald had been
The evidence seems to indicate it was another officer and not Kaminski who stopped Oswald at the front door.
James Jarman told the HSCA that he was told by Billy Lovelady that the same "officer who stopped us" from running out the building, stopped Oswald at the front door.
https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/Jarman-HSCA-pg2-3.jpg
This could NOT have been Kaminski, because Jarman said that immediately after he, Williams and Norman heard the shots and saw what had happened, they tried to flee the building
and were stopped by a police officer and told to get back into the building. THAT SAME POLICE OFFICER, according to Billy Lovelady, was the one who stopped Oswald at the front door.
And if true, that encounter happened long before 12:45, actually within minutes of the assassination.
The question remains why did Truly vouch for Oswald and not Jarman, Williams or Norman ?
Why did Truly tell the officer it was alright for Oswald to leave the building and not the others ?
Jarman wondered the same thing:
"Mr. Truddy ( sic ) told them that that was alright, that he worked there, so then, he proceeded own ( sic ) out the building and we wondered why he stopped us."
https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/Jarman-HSCA-pg2-3.jpg
Truly knew damned well that Oswald had left the building because he was the one who sent him on his way.
On Sunday, October 15, 2023 at 10:36:24 PM UTC-4, NoTrueFlags Here wrote:
and were stopped by a police officer and told to get back into the building. THAT SAME POLICE OFFICER, according to Billy Lovelady, was the one who stopped Oswald at the front door.
On Sunday, October 15, 2023 at 10:36:24 PM UTC-4, NoTrueFlags Here wrote:accosted by Baker at about 12:33, then I don't think it likely that he would wait so long to leave the building. Oswald might have lied about this during his interrogation.
That's what the evidence says, because Kaminski and his bosses were not yet at the TSBD at 12:45, but Lumpkin was there by 12:49. Lumpkin, apparently, gave the order for the exit chats carried out by Kaminski and Truly. So, if guilty Oswald had been
The evidence seems to indicate it was another officer and not Kaminski who stopped Oswald at the front door.
James Jarman told the HSCA that he was told by Billy Lovelady that the same "officer who stopped us" from running out the building, stopped Oswald at the front door.
https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/Jarman-HSCA-pg2-3.jpg
This could NOT have been Kaminski, because Jarman said that immediately after he, Williams and Norman heard the shots and saw what had happened, they tried to flee the building
and were stopped by a police officer and told to get back into the building. THAT SAME POLICE OFFICER, according to Billy Lovelady, was the one who stopped Oswald at the front door.
And if true, that encounter happened long before 12:45, actually within minutes of the assassination.
The question remains why did Truly vouch for Oswald and not Jarman, Williams or Norman ?
Why did Truly tell the officer it was alright for Oswald to leave the building and not the others ?
Jarman wondered the same thing:
"Mr. Truddy ( sic ) told them that that was alright, that he worked there, so then, he proceeded own ( sic ) out the building and we wondered why he stopped us."
https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/Jarman-HSCA-pg2-3.jpg
Truly knew damned well that Oswald had left the building because he was the one who sent him on his way.
On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 9:05:34 PM UTC+11, Gil Jesus wrote:been accosted by Baker at about 12:33, then I don't think it likely that he would wait so long to leave the building. Oswald might have lied about this during his interrogation.
On Sunday, October 15, 2023 at 10:36:24 PM UTC-4, NoTrueFlags Here wrote:
That's what the evidence says, because Kaminski and his bosses were not yet at the TSBD at 12:45, but Lumpkin was there by 12:49. Lumpkin, apparently, gave the order for the exit chats carried out by Kaminski and Truly. So, if guilty Oswald had
stopped us all and they said, "Do you work here?" And we told them yes. And they took our name, address, and they searched everybody. And then the other fellow--I think one fellow asked whether we had been working upstairs. I think we told him yes. TheyThe evidence seems to indicate it was another officer and not Kaminski who stopped Oswald at the front door.
James Jarman told the HSCA that he was told by Billy Lovelady that the same "officer who stopped us" from running out the building, stopped Oswald at the front door.
https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/Jarman-HSCA-pg2-3.jpg
This could NOT have been Kaminski, because Jarman said that immediately after he, Williams and Norman heard the shots and saw what had happened, they tried to flee the buildingThat was not "immediately" after the shots.
and were stopped by a police officer and told to get back into the building. THAT SAME POLICE OFFICER, according to Billy Lovelady, was the one who stopped Oswald at the front door.
Mr. WILLIAMS. After we stood at the west window for a while, we decided to go down. Then we left.
Mr. BALL. How did you go down?
Mr. WILLIAMS. By stairs.
Mr. BALL. Where did you go?
Mr. WILLIAMS. We went to the fourth floor first. Then we paused for a minute there, where we saw these women looking out of the window. Then we decided to go down to the first floor, and we ran on down.
Mr. BALL. When you got to the first floor, what did you see there?
Mr. McCLOY. How did you get to the first floor?
Mr. WILLIAMS. By stairs.
Mr. DULLES. There were some people on the fourth floor?
Mr. WILLIAMS. Yes, sir. I remember seeing maybe two or three women standing in the window, looking out the window.
Mr. DULLES. Looking out the window?
Mr. WILLIAMS. Yes, sir.
Mr. McCLOY. Which stairway did they take, west or east?
Mr. BALL. There was only one stairway, and that is the one in the corner. Did you run down stairs?
Mr. WILLIAMS. Yes, sir; we ran.
Mr. BALL. When you got to the first floor, what did you see?
Mr. WILLIAMS. When we arrived to the first floor, the first thing I noticed was that the policemen had rushed in. I think some firemen came in with a water hose. And then the next thing that happened, these detectives, or maybe FBI--anyway, they
DETECTIVES. These were mentioned in the same memo as Truly and Kaminski. They clearing the floors one by one.where he could be found if they wanted to see you and talk to you any more, and then we went on up to a little bit more to the front entrance more toward Mr. Shelley's office there with another man and stood there for a little while and told us all that
And if true, that encounter happened long before 12:45, actually within minutes of the assassination.Nope. See above. Truly could not report Oswald missing during his own lunh break - which was HIS time, not company.
The question remains why did Truly vouch for Oswald and not Jarman, Williams or Norman ?Because they were escorted out by cops to go and give affidavits since they had been working upstairs.
Why did Truly tell the officer it was alright for Oswald to leave the building and not the others ?
Jarman wondered the same thing:
"Mr. Truddy ( sic ) told them that that was alright, that he worked there, so then, he proceeded own ( sic ) out the building and we wondered why he stopped us."
https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/Jarman-HSCA-pg2-3.jpg
Truly knew damned well that Oswald had left the building because he was the one who sent him on his way.Yes. Left AFTER 12: 45
To buy into him having left "immediately", you have to explain his name on Kamiski's document with the same address that was on his library card - the only card he could have shown Kaminski with an address.
You would also have to explain his otherwise psychic ability in describing to Holmes what Kaminski and Truly were doing at the front door.
I would also point to this:
Mr. FRAZIER - No, sir; I don't believe they did, because they, you know, like one man showed us, we had to give proper identification and after we passed him he told us to walk on then to the next man, and we, you know, put down proper information
He was standing with an another man waiting for the okay to go after running the guauntlet of detectives and producing ID etc.that he did not offer a name, and was not asked for one.
Compare to what Oswald said to Holmes:
"a policeman questioned him as to his identification and his boss stated that "he is one of our employees" whereupon the policeman had him step aside momentarily."
ASKED HIM TO STEP ASIDE MOMENTARILY. Unstated is that this was until they were ready to start letting people go. The other point is.... was Oswald the unnamed man waiting to leave that Frazier mentions? Seems more than possible to me. I am suspicious
To recap.of the Flying Tigers, Claire Channault.
Roy Sansom Truly --- connected to the former Navy Secretary Fred Korth through blood relationship to the former secretary's wife. Korth was very familiar with the Oswald family. Truly himself was married to a cousin of the much revered-on-right creator
Truly hired Oswald though it was the quiet season. His usual practice was to hire through the TEC. Buell was the only other known exception.
Truly gave permission for Oswald to leave.
Truly then reported Oswald as missing.
Once you get rid of the bullshit theorizing (and that is not aimed at you) and examine ALL of the evidence, it becomes very clear as to what happened with Oswald. You are at least in the ballpark. You just have not considered all the evidence... yet.
On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 9:05:34 PM UTC+11, Gil Jesus wrote:been accosted by Baker at about 12:33, then I don't think it likely that he would wait so long to leave the building. Oswald might have lied about this during his interrogation.
On Sunday, October 15, 2023 at 10:36:24 PM UTC-4, NoTrueFlags Here wrote:
That's what the evidence says, because Kaminski and his bosses were not yet at the TSBD at 12:45, but Lumpkin was there by 12:49. Lumpkin, apparently, gave the order for the exit chats carried out by Kaminski and Truly. So, if guilty Oswald had
stopped us all and they said, "Do you work here?" And we told them yes. And they took our name, address, and they searched everybody. And then the other fellow--I think one fellow asked whether we had been working upstairs. I think we told him yes. TheyThe evidence seems to indicate it was another officer and not Kaminski who stopped Oswald at the front door.
James Jarman told the HSCA that he was told by Billy Lovelady that the same "officer who stopped us" from running out the building, stopped Oswald at the front door.
https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/Jarman-HSCA-pg2-3.jpg
This could NOT have been Kaminski, because Jarman said that immediately after he, Williams and Norman heard the shots and saw what had happened, they tried to flee the buildingThat was not "immediately" after the shots.
and were stopped by a police officer and told to get back into the building. THAT SAME POLICE OFFICER, according to Billy Lovelady, was the one who stopped Oswald at the front door.
Mr. WILLIAMS. After we stood at the west window for a while, we decided to go down. Then we left.
Mr. BALL. How did you go down?
Mr. WILLIAMS. By stairs.
Mr. BALL. Where did you go?
Mr. WILLIAMS. We went to the fourth floor first. Then we paused for a minute there, where we saw these women looking out of the window. Then we decided to go down to the first floor, and we ran on down.
Mr. BALL. When you got to the first floor, what did you see there?
Mr. McCLOY. How did you get to the first floor?
Mr. WILLIAMS. By stairs.
Mr. DULLES. There were some people on the fourth floor?
Mr. WILLIAMS. Yes, sir. I remember seeing maybe two or three women standing in the window, looking out the window.
Mr. DULLES. Looking out the window?
Mr. WILLIAMS. Yes, sir.
Mr. McCLOY. Which stairway did they take, west or east?
Mr. BALL. There was only one stairway, and that is the one in the corner. Did you run down stairs?
Mr. WILLIAMS. Yes, sir; we ran.
Mr. BALL. When you got to the first floor, what did you see?
Mr. WILLIAMS. When we arrived to the first floor, the first thing I noticed was that the policemen had rushed in. I think some firemen came in with a water hose. And then the next thing that happened, these detectives, or maybe FBI--anyway, they
DETECTIVES. These were mentioned in the same memo as Truly and Kaminski. They clearing the floors one by one.
And if true, that encounter happened long before 12:45, actually within minutes of the assassination.Nope. See above. Truly could not report Oswald missing during his own lunh break - which was HIS time, not company.
The question remains why did Truly vouch for Oswald and not Jarman, Williams or Norman ?Because they were escorted out by cops to go and give affidavits since they had been working upstairs.
Why did Truly tell the officer it was alright for Oswald to leave the building and not the others ?
Jarman wondered the same thing:
where he could be found if they wanted to see you and talk to you any more, and then we went on up to a little bit more to the front entrance more toward Mr. Shelley's office there with another man and stood there for a little while and told us all that"Mr. Truddy ( sic ) told them that that was alright, that he worked there, so then, he proceeded own ( sic ) out the building and we wondered why he stopped us."
https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/Jarman-HSCA-pg2-3.jpg
Truly knew damned well that Oswald had left the building because he was the one who sent him on his way.Yes. Left AFTER 12: 45
To buy into him having left "immediately", you have to explain his name on Kamiski's document with the same address that was on his library card - the only card he could have shown Kaminski with an address.
You would also have to explain his otherwise psychic ability in describing to Holmes what Kaminski and Truly were doing at the front door.
I would also point to this:
Mr. FRAZIER - No, sir; I don't believe they did, because they, you know, like one man showed us, we had to give proper identification and after we passed him he told us to walk on then to the next man, and we, you know, put down proper information
He was standing with an another man waiting for the okay to go after running the guauntlet of detectives and producing ID etc.that he did not offer a name, and was not asked for one.
Compare to what Oswald said to Holmes:
"a policeman questioned him as to his identification and his boss stated that "he is one of our employees" whereupon the policeman had him step aside momentarily."
ASKED HIM TO STEP ASIDE MOMENTARILY. Unstated is that this was until they were ready to start letting people go. The other point is.... was Oswald the unnamed man waiting to leave that Frazier mentions? Seems more than possible to me. I am suspicious
To recap.of the Flying Tigers, Claire Channault.
Roy Sansom Truly --- connected to the former Navy Secretary Fred Korth through blood relationship to the former secretary's wife. Korth was very familiar with the Oswald family. Truly himself was married to a cousin of the much revered-on-right creator
Truly hired Oswald though it was the quiet season. His usual practice was to hire through the TEC. Buell was the only other known exception.
Truly gave permission for Oswald to leave.
Truly then reported Oswald as missing.
Once you get rid of the bullshit theorizing (and that is not aimed at you) and examine ALL of the evidence, it becomes very clear as to what happened with Oswald. You are at least in the ballpark. You just have not considered all the evidence... yet.
On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 9:05:34 PM UTC+11, Gil Jesus wrote:been accosted by Baker at about 12:33, then I don't think it likely that he would wait so long to leave the building. Oswald might have lied about this during his interrogation.
On Sunday, October 15, 2023 at 10:36:24 PM UTC-4, NoTrueFlags Here wrote:
That's what the evidence says, because Kaminski and his bosses were not yet at the TSBD at 12:45, but Lumpkin was there by 12:49. Lumpkin, apparently, gave the order for the exit chats carried out by Kaminski and Truly. So, if guilty Oswald had
stopped us all and they said, "Do you work here?" And we told them yes. And they took our name, address, and they searched everybody. And then the other fellow--I think one fellow asked whether we had been working upstairs. I think we told him yes. TheyThe evidence seems to indicate it was another officer and not Kaminski who stopped Oswald at the front door.
James Jarman told the HSCA that he was told by Billy Lovelady that the same "officer who stopped us" from running out the building, stopped Oswald at the front door.
https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/Jarman-HSCA-pg2-3.jpg
This could NOT have been Kaminski, because Jarman said that immediately after he, Williams and Norman heard the shots and saw what had happened, they tried to flee the buildingThat was not "immediately" after the shots.
and were stopped by a police officer and told to get back into the building. THAT SAME POLICE OFFICER, according to Billy Lovelady, was the one who stopped Oswald at the front door.
Mr. WILLIAMS. After we stood at the west window for a while, we decided to go down. Then we left.
Mr. BALL. How did you go down?
Mr. WILLIAMS. By stairs.
Mr. BALL. Where did you go?
Mr. WILLIAMS. We went to the fourth floor first. Then we paused for a minute there, where we saw these women looking out of the window. Then we decided to go down to the first floor, and we ran on down.
Mr. BALL. When you got to the first floor, what did you see there?
Mr. McCLOY. How did you get to the first floor?
Mr. WILLIAMS. By stairs.
Mr. DULLES. There were some people on the fourth floor?
Mr. WILLIAMS. Yes, sir. I remember seeing maybe two or three women standing in the window, looking out the window.
Mr. DULLES. Looking out the window?
Mr. WILLIAMS. Yes, sir.
Mr. McCLOY. Which stairway did they take, west or east?
Mr. BALL. There was only one stairway, and that is the one in the corner. Did you run down stairs?
Mr. WILLIAMS. Yes, sir; we ran.
Mr. BALL. When you got to the first floor, what did you see?
Mr. WILLIAMS. When we arrived to the first floor, the first thing I noticed was that the policemen had rushed in. I think some firemen came in with a water hose. And then the next thing that happened, these detectives, or maybe FBI--anyway, they
DETECTIVES. These were mentioned in the same memo as Truly and Kaminski. They clearing the floors one by one.where he could be found if they wanted to see you and talk to you any more, and then we went on up to a little bit more to the front entrance more toward Mr. Shelley's office there with another man and stood there for a little while and told us all that
And if true, that encounter happened long before 12:45, actually within minutes of the assassination.Nope. See above. Truly could not report Oswald missing during his own lunh break - which was HIS time, not company.
The question remains why did Truly vouch for Oswald and not Jarman, Williams or Norman ?Because they were escorted out by cops to go and give affidavits since they had been working upstairs.
Why did Truly tell the officer it was alright for Oswald to leave the building and not the others ?
Jarman wondered the same thing:
"Mr. Truddy ( sic ) told them that that was alright, that he worked there, so then, he proceeded own ( sic ) out the building and we wondered why he stopped us."
https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/Jarman-HSCA-pg2-3.jpg
Truly knew damned well that Oswald had left the building because he was the one who sent him on his way.Yes. Left AFTER 12: 45
To buy into him having left "immediately", you have to explain his name on Kamiski's document with the same address that was on his library card - the only card he could have shown Kaminski with an address.
You would also have to explain his otherwise psychic ability in describing to Holmes what Kaminski and Truly were doing at the front door.
I would also point to this:
Mr. FRAZIER - No, sir; I don't believe they did, because they, you know, like one man showed us, we had to give proper identification and after we passed him he told us to walk on then to the next man, and we, you know, put down proper information
He was standing with an another man waiting for the okay to go after running the guauntlet of detectives and producing ID etc.that he did not offer a name, and was not asked for one.
Compare to what Oswald said to Holmes:
"a policeman questioned him as to his identification and his boss stated that "he is one of our employees" whereupon the policeman had him step aside momentarily."
ASKED HIM TO STEP ASIDE MOMENTARILY. Unstated is that this was until they were ready to start letting people go. The other point is.... was Oswald the unnamed man waiting to leave that Frazier mentions? Seems more than possible to me. I am suspicious
To recap.of the Flying Tigers, Claire Channault.
Roy Sansom Truly --- connected to the former Navy Secretary Fred Korth through blood relationship to the former secretary's wife. Korth was very familiar with the Oswald family. Truly himself was married to a cousin of the much revered-on-right creator
Truly hired Oswald though it was the quiet season. His usual practice was to hire through the TEC. Buell was the only other known exception.
Truly gave permission for Oswald to leave.
Truly then reported Oswald as missing.
Once you get rid of the bullshit theorizing (and that is not aimed at you) and examine ALL of the evidence, it becomes very clear as to what happened with Oswald. You are at least in the ballpark. You just have not considered all the evidence... yet.
On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 7:26:32 PM UTC-4, Greg Parker wrote:been accosted by Baker at about 12:33, then I don't think it likely that he would wait so long to leave the building. Oswald might have lied about this during his interrogation.
On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 9:05:34 PM UTC+11, Gil Jesus wrote:
On Sunday, October 15, 2023 at 10:36:24 PM UTC-4, NoTrueFlags Here wrote:
That's what the evidence says, because Kaminski and his bosses were not yet at the TSBD at 12:45, but Lumpkin was there by 12:49. Lumpkin, apparently, gave the order for the exit chats carried out by Kaminski and Truly. So, if guilty Oswald had
stopped us all and they said, "Do you work here?" And we told them yes. And they took our name, address, and they searched everybody. And then the other fellow--I think one fellow asked whether we had been working upstairs. I think we told him yes. TheyThe evidence seems to indicate it was another officer and not Kaminski who stopped Oswald at the front door.
James Jarman told the HSCA that he was told by Billy Lovelady that the same "officer who stopped us" from running out the building, stopped Oswald at the front door.
https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/Jarman-HSCA-pg2-3.jpg
This could NOT have been Kaminski, because Jarman said that immediately after he, Williams and Norman heard the shots and saw what had happened, they tried to flee the buildingThat was not "immediately" after the shots.
and were stopped by a police officer and told to get back into the building. THAT SAME POLICE OFFICER, according to Billy Lovelady, was the one who stopped Oswald at the front door.
Mr. WILLIAMS. After we stood at the west window for a while, we decided to go down. Then we left.
Mr. BALL. How did you go down?
Mr. WILLIAMS. By stairs.
Mr. BALL. Where did you go?
Mr. WILLIAMS. We went to the fourth floor first. Then we paused for a minute there, where we saw these women looking out of the window. Then we decided to go down to the first floor, and we ran on down.
Mr. BALL. When you got to the first floor, what did you see there?
Mr. McCLOY. How did you get to the first floor?
Mr. WILLIAMS. By stairs.
Mr. DULLES. There were some people on the fourth floor?
Mr. WILLIAMS. Yes, sir. I remember seeing maybe two or three women standing in the window, looking out the window.
Mr. DULLES. Looking out the window?
Mr. WILLIAMS. Yes, sir.
Mr. McCLOY. Which stairway did they take, west or east?
Mr. BALL. There was only one stairway, and that is the one in the corner. Did you run down stairs?
Mr. WILLIAMS. Yes, sir; we ran.
Mr. BALL. When you got to the first floor, what did you see?
Mr. WILLIAMS. When we arrived to the first floor, the first thing I noticed was that the policemen had rushed in. I think some firemen came in with a water hose. And then the next thing that happened, these detectives, or maybe FBI--anyway, they
where he could be found if they wanted to see you and talk to you any more, and then we went on up to a little bit more to the front entrance more toward Mr. Shelley's office there with another man and stood there for a little while and told us all thatDETECTIVES. These were mentioned in the same memo as Truly and Kaminski. They clearing the floors one by one.
And if true, that encounter happened long before 12:45, actually within minutes of the assassination.Nope. See above. Truly could not report Oswald missing during his own lunh break - which was HIS time, not company.
The question remains why did Truly vouch for Oswald and not Jarman, Williams or Norman ?Because they were escorted out by cops to go and give affidavits since they had been working upstairs.
Why did Truly tell the officer it was alright for Oswald to leave the building and not the others ?
Jarman wondered the same thing:
"Mr. Truddy ( sic ) told them that that was alright, that he worked there, so then, he proceeded own ( sic ) out the building and we wondered why he stopped us."
https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/Jarman-HSCA-pg2-3.jpg
Truly knew damned well that Oswald had left the building because he was the one who sent him on his way.Yes. Left AFTER 12: 45
To buy into him having left "immediately", you have to explain his name on Kamiski's document with the same address that was on his library card - the only card he could have shown Kaminski with an address.
You would also have to explain his otherwise psychic ability in describing to Holmes what Kaminski and Truly were doing at the front door.
I would also point to this:
Mr. FRAZIER - No, sir; I don't believe they did, because they, you know, like one man showed us, we had to give proper identification and after we passed him he told us to walk on then to the next man, and we, you know, put down proper information
that he did not offer a name, and was not asked for one.He was standing with an another man waiting for the okay to go after running the guauntlet of detectives and producing ID etc.
Compare to what Oswald said to Holmes:
"a policeman questioned him as to his identification and his boss stated that "he is one of our employees" whereupon the policeman had him step aside momentarily."
ASKED HIM TO STEP ASIDE MOMENTARILY. Unstated is that this was until they were ready to start letting people go. The other point is.... was Oswald the unnamed man waiting to leave that Frazier mentions? Seems more than possible to me. I am suspicious
creator of the Flying Tigers, Claire Channault.To recap.
Roy Sansom Truly --- connected to the former Navy Secretary Fred Korth through blood relationship to the former secretary's wife. Korth was very familiar with the Oswald family. Truly himself was married to a cousin of the much revered-on-right
here.Truly hired Oswald though it was the quiet season. His usual practice was to hire through the TEC. Buell was the only other known exception.
Truly gave permission for Oswald to leave.
Truly then reported Oswald as missing.
Once you get rid of the bullshit theorizing (and that is not aimed at you) and examine ALL of the evidence, it becomes very clear as to what happened with Oswald. You are at least in the ballpark. You just have not considered all the evidence... yet.How is it that Fred Korth, in advance of the assassination, is in cahoots with Truly to frame Oswald for the assassination if Fred Korth doesn't know in advance that there is going to be an assassination? Sounds to me as if you have a conspiracy theory
On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 4:26:32 PM UTC-7, Greg Parker wrote:been accosted by Baker at about 12:33, then I don't think it likely that he would wait so long to leave the building. Oswald might have lied about this during his interrogation.
On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 9:05:34 PM UTC+11, Gil Jesus wrote:
On Sunday, October 15, 2023 at 10:36:24 PM UTC-4, NoTrueFlags Here wrote:
That's what the evidence says, because Kaminski and his bosses were not yet at the TSBD at 12:45, but Lumpkin was there by 12:49. Lumpkin, apparently, gave the order for the exit chats carried out by Kaminski and Truly. So, if guilty Oswald had
stopped us all and they said, "Do you work here?" And we told them yes. And they took our name, address, and they searched everybody. And then the other fellow--I think one fellow asked whether we had been working upstairs. I think we told him yes. TheyThe evidence seems to indicate it was another officer and not Kaminski who stopped Oswald at the front door.
James Jarman told the HSCA that he was told by Billy Lovelady that the same "officer who stopped us" from running out the building, stopped Oswald at the front door.
https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/Jarman-HSCA-pg2-3.jpg
This could NOT have been Kaminski, because Jarman said that immediately after he, Williams and Norman heard the shots and saw what had happened, they tried to flee the buildingThat was not "immediately" after the shots.
and were stopped by a police officer and told to get back into the building. THAT SAME POLICE OFFICER, according to Billy Lovelady, was the one who stopped Oswald at the front door.
Mr. WILLIAMS. After we stood at the west window for a while, we decided to go down. Then we left.
Mr. BALL. How did you go down?
Mr. WILLIAMS. By stairs.
Mr. BALL. Where did you go?
Mr. WILLIAMS. We went to the fourth floor first. Then we paused for a minute there, where we saw these women looking out of the window. Then we decided to go down to the first floor, and we ran on down.
Mr. BALL. When you got to the first floor, what did you see there?
Mr. McCLOY. How did you get to the first floor?
Mr. WILLIAMS. By stairs.
Mr. DULLES. There were some people on the fourth floor?
Mr. WILLIAMS. Yes, sir. I remember seeing maybe two or three women standing in the window, looking out the window.
Mr. DULLES. Looking out the window?
Mr. WILLIAMS. Yes, sir.
Mr. McCLOY. Which stairway did they take, west or east?
Mr. BALL. There was only one stairway, and that is the one in the corner. Did you run down stairs?
Mr. WILLIAMS. Yes, sir; we ran.
Mr. BALL. When you got to the first floor, what did you see?
Mr. WILLIAMS. When we arrived to the first floor, the first thing I noticed was that the policemen had rushed in. I think some firemen came in with a water hose. And then the next thing that happened, these detectives, or maybe FBI--anyway, they
DETECTIVES. These were mentioned in the same memo as Truly and Kaminski. They clearing the floors one by one.
And if true, that encounter happened long before 12:45, actually within minutes of the assassination.Nope. See above. Truly could not report Oswald missing during his own lunh break - which was HIS time, not company.
The question remains why did Truly vouch for Oswald and not Jarman, Williams or Norman ?Because they were escorted out by cops to go and give affidavits since they had been working upstairs.
Why did Truly tell the officer it was alright for Oswald to leave the building and not the others ?
Jarman wondered the same thing:
Greg -- Brennan thought that that's what happened to them. Williams was so escorted (we have photos) and did a county affidavit on 11/22, but Jarman didn't make out an affidavit till the next day. And Norman NEVER MADE OUT AN AFFIDAVIT FOR THE COUNTY.Actually, I hadn't realized the latter fact until now--Norman, the next Tuesday, did do an interview with the FBI. But no county affidavit. An odd lacuna. And neither Jarman nor Norman were part of the sixth-floor crew, although Williams said that Norman
dcwwhere he could be found if they wanted to see you and talk to you any more, and then we went on up to a little bit more to the front entrance more toward Mr. Shelley's office there with another man and stood there for a little while and told us all that
"Mr. Truddy ( sic ) told them that that was alright, that he worked there, so then, he proceeded own ( sic ) out the building and we wondered why he stopped us."
https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/Jarman-HSCA-pg2-3.jpg
Truly knew damned well that Oswald had left the building because he was the one who sent him on his way.Yes. Left AFTER 12: 45
To buy into him having left "immediately", you have to explain his name on Kamiski's document with the same address that was on his library card - the only card he could have shown Kaminski with an address.
You would also have to explain his otherwise psychic ability in describing to Holmes what Kaminski and Truly were doing at the front door.
I would also point to this:
Mr. FRAZIER - No, sir; I don't believe they did, because they, you know, like one man showed us, we had to give proper identification and after we passed him he told us to walk on then to the next man, and we, you know, put down proper information
that he did not offer a name, and was not asked for one.He was standing with an another man waiting for the okay to go after running the guauntlet of detectives and producing ID etc.
Compare to what Oswald said to Holmes:
"a policeman questioned him as to his identification and his boss stated that "he is one of our employees" whereupon the policeman had him step aside momentarily."
ASKED HIM TO STEP ASIDE MOMENTARILY. Unstated is that this was until they were ready to start letting people go. The other point is.... was Oswald the unnamed man waiting to leave that Frazier mentions? Seems more than possible to me. I am suspicious
creator of the Flying Tigers, Claire Channault.To recap.
Roy Sansom Truly --- connected to the former Navy Secretary Fred Korth through blood relationship to the former secretary's wife. Korth was very familiar with the Oswald family. Truly himself was married to a cousin of the much revered-on-right
Truly hired Oswald though it was the quiet season. His usual practice was to hire through the TEC. Buell was the only other known exception.
Truly gave permission for Oswald to leave.
Truly then reported Oswald as missing.
Once you get rid of the bullshit theorizing (and that is not aimed at you) and examine ALL of the evidence, it becomes very clear as to what happened with Oswald. You are at least in the ballpark. You just have not considered all the evidence... yet.
On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 10:56:00 AM UTC+11, NoTrueFlags Here wrote:been accosted by Baker at about 12:33, then I don't think it likely that he would wait so long to leave the building. Oswald might have lied about this during his interrogation.
On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 7:26:32 PM UTC-4, Greg Parker wrote:
On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 9:05:34 PM UTC+11, Gil Jesus wrote:
On Sunday, October 15, 2023 at 10:36:24 PM UTC-4, NoTrueFlags Here wrote:
That's what the evidence says, because Kaminski and his bosses were not yet at the TSBD at 12:45, but Lumpkin was there by 12:49. Lumpkin, apparently, gave the order for the exit chats carried out by Kaminski and Truly. So, if guilty Oswald had
stopped us all and they said, "Do you work here?" And we told them yes. And they took our name, address, and they searched everybody. And then the other fellow--I think one fellow asked whether we had been working upstairs. I think we told him yes. TheyThe evidence seems to indicate it was another officer and not Kaminski who stopped Oswald at the front door.
James Jarman told the HSCA that he was told by Billy Lovelady that the same "officer who stopped us" from running out the building, stopped Oswald at the front door.
https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/Jarman-HSCA-pg2-3.jpg
This could NOT have been Kaminski, because Jarman said that immediately after he, Williams and Norman heard the shots and saw what had happened, they tried to flee the buildingThat was not "immediately" after the shots.
and were stopped by a police officer and told to get back into the building. THAT SAME POLICE OFFICER, according to Billy Lovelady, was the one who stopped Oswald at the front door.
Mr. WILLIAMS. After we stood at the west window for a while, we decided to go down. Then we left.
Mr. BALL. How did you go down?
Mr. WILLIAMS. By stairs.
Mr. BALL. Where did you go?
Mr. WILLIAMS. We went to the fourth floor first. Then we paused for a minute there, where we saw these women looking out of the window. Then we decided to go down to the first floor, and we ran on down.
Mr. BALL. When you got to the first floor, what did you see there?
Mr. McCLOY. How did you get to the first floor?
Mr. WILLIAMS. By stairs.
Mr. DULLES. There were some people on the fourth floor?
Mr. WILLIAMS. Yes, sir. I remember seeing maybe two or three women standing in the window, looking out the window.
Mr. DULLES. Looking out the window?
Mr. WILLIAMS. Yes, sir.
Mr. McCLOY. Which stairway did they take, west or east?
Mr. BALL. There was only one stairway, and that is the one in the corner. Did you run down stairs?
Mr. WILLIAMS. Yes, sir; we ran.
Mr. BALL. When you got to the first floor, what did you see?
Mr. WILLIAMS. When we arrived to the first floor, the first thing I noticed was that the policemen had rushed in. I think some firemen came in with a water hose. And then the next thing that happened, these detectives, or maybe FBI--anyway, they
where he could be found if they wanted to see you and talk to you any more, and then we went on up to a little bit more to the front entrance more toward Mr. Shelley's office there with another man and stood there for a little while and told us all thatDETECTIVES. These were mentioned in the same memo as Truly and Kaminski. They clearing the floors one by one.
And if true, that encounter happened long before 12:45, actually within minutes of the assassination.Nope. See above. Truly could not report Oswald missing during his own lunh break - which was HIS time, not company.
The question remains why did Truly vouch for Oswald and not Jarman, Williams or Norman ?Because they were escorted out by cops to go and give affidavits since they had been working upstairs.
Why did Truly tell the officer it was alright for Oswald to leave the building and not the others ?
Jarman wondered the same thing:
"Mr. Truddy ( sic ) told them that that was alright, that he worked there, so then, he proceeded own ( sic ) out the building and we wondered why he stopped us."
https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/Jarman-HSCA-pg2-3.jpg
Truly knew damned well that Oswald had left the building because he was the one who sent him on his way.Yes. Left AFTER 12: 45
To buy into him having left "immediately", you have to explain his name on Kamiski's document with the same address that was on his library card - the only card he could have shown Kaminski with an address.
You would also have to explain his otherwise psychic ability in describing to Holmes what Kaminski and Truly were doing at the front door.
I would also point to this:
Mr. FRAZIER - No, sir; I don't believe they did, because they, you know, like one man showed us, we had to give proper identification and after we passed him he told us to walk on then to the next man, and we, you know, put down proper information
suspicious that he did not offer a name, and was not asked for one.He was standing with an another man waiting for the okay to go after running the guauntlet of detectives and producing ID etc.
Compare to what Oswald said to Holmes:
"a policeman questioned him as to his identification and his boss stated that "he is one of our employees" whereupon the policeman had him step aside momentarily."
ASKED HIM TO STEP ASIDE MOMENTARILY. Unstated is that this was until they were ready to start letting people go. The other point is.... was Oswald the unnamed man waiting to leave that Frazier mentions? Seems more than possible to me. I am
creator of the Flying Tigers, Claire Channault.To recap.
Roy Sansom Truly --- connected to the former Navy Secretary Fred Korth through blood relationship to the former secretary's wife. Korth was very familiar with the Oswald family. Truly himself was married to a cousin of the much revered-on-right
yet.Truly hired Oswald though it was the quiet season. His usual practice was to hire through the TEC. Buell was the only other known exception.
Truly gave permission for Oswald to leave.
Truly then reported Oswald as missing.
Once you get rid of the bullshit theorizing (and that is not aimed at you) and examine ALL of the evidence, it becomes very clear as to what happened with Oswald. You are at least in the ballpark. You just have not considered all the evidence...
theory here.How is it that Fred Korth, in advance of the assassination, is in cahoots with Truly to frame Oswald for the assassination if Fred Korth doesn't know in advance that there is going to be an assassination? Sounds to me as if you have a conspiracy
I do not have a theory. I have persons of interest based on evidence tying them to each other, with Korth in turn, tied to Oswald through Ekdahl.
That's what the evidence says, because Kaminski and his bosses were not yet at the TSBD at 12:45, but Lumpkin was there by 12:49. Lumpkin, apparently, gave the order for the exit chats carried out by Kaminski and Truly. So, if guilty Oswald had beenaccosted by Baker at about 12:33, then I don't think it likely that he would wait so long to leave the building. Oswald might have lied about this during his interrogation.
To buy into him having left "immediately", you have to explain his name on Kamiski's document with the same address that was on his library card - the only card he could have shown Kaminski with an address.
On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 7:26:32 PM UTC-4, Greg Parker wrote:
On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 7:26:32 PM UTC-4, Greg Parker wrote:
To buy into him having left "immediately", you have to explain his name on Kamiski's document with the same address that was on his library card - the only card he could have shown Kaminski with an address.I don't know what address Kaminski had on HIS document, but I know that the list of addresses the Dallas Police had of the TSBD employees had Oswald's address listed as "605 Elsbeth St."
https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/WH_Vol24_259-605-elsbeth.gif
and THAT address was not the same one that was on his library card. That address was 602.
https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/oswald-library-card.png
I'd like to see the link to that Kaminski document to compare it to the library card, if you have it.
Thank you in advance.
On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 5:40:17 AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 7:26:32 PM UTC-4, Greg Parker wrote:
They concealed the name of that cop and did not interview him because he witnessed Shelley intervene and lead Oswald out the Loading Dock...
That happened aound 5 minutes after the shots or a little more...
On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 7:26:32 PM UTC-4, Greg Parker wrote:
To buy into him having left "immediately", you have to explain his name on Kamiski's document with the same address that was on his library card - the only card he could have shown Kaminski with an address.I don't know what address Kaminski had on HIS document, but I know that the list of addresses the Dallas Police had of the TSBD employees had Oswald's address listed as "605 Elsbeth St."
https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/WH_Vol24_259-605-elsbeth.gif
and THAT address was not the same one that was on his library card. That address was 602.
https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/oswald-library-card.png
I'd like to see the link to that Kaminski document to compare it to the library card, if you have it.
Thank you in advance.
On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 5:40:17 AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:latest video before he made that comment, and he won't link to my video. The card says 602, as you say. The list says 605, as you say. One could argue that a transcription error was made, but Parker did not say that because then he then would have to
On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 7:26:32 PM UTC-4, Greg Parker wrote:
To buy into him having left "immediately", you have to explain his name on Kamiski's document with the same address that was on his library card - the only card he could have shown Kaminski with an address.I don't know what address Kaminski had on HIS document, but I know that the list of addresses the Dallas Police had of the TSBD employees had Oswald's address listed as "605 Elsbeth St."
https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/WH_Vol24_259-605-elsbeth.gif
and THAT address was not the same one that was on his library card. That address was 602.
https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/oswald-library-card.png
I'd like to see the link to that Kaminski document to compare it to the library card, if you have it.You should have waited to thank Parker. Does he do links? There is no Kaminski document. The document you have is the list that probably was typed up from the "Kaminski document," which was probably thrown away. Parker seems to have just watched my
Thank you in advance.
On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 8:40:17 PM UTC+11, Gil Jesus wrote:
On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 7:26:32 PM UTC-4, Greg Parker wrote:
To buy into him having left "immediately", you have to explain his name on Kamiski's document with the same address that was on his library card - the only card he could have shown Kaminski with an address.I don't know what address Kaminski had on HIS document, but I know that the list of addresses the Dallas Police had of the TSBD employees had Oswald's address listed as "605 Elsbeth St."
https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/WH_Vol24_259-605-elsbeth.gif
and THAT address was not the same one that was on his library card. That address was 602.
https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/oswald-library-card.png
I'd like to see the link to that Kaminski document to compare it to the library card, if you have it.The list you refer to was made from the information obtained by Kaminski. I do not think his notes survived - only the typed list.
Thank you in advance.
The list also had the name as Harvey Lee Oswald.
Hold the library card upside down and that is how the name reads. The numbers on the address were smudged. Combine that with the card held upside down, and the wrong number being recorded is also explicable.
To be clear, I am saying that Kaminski was asking people to show ID with an address. In response Oswald flashed his library card but held it upside down,. causing Kaminski to misread both the name and the street number.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EJNBveKWoAETxTY?format=jpg&name=4096x4096
On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 8:09:39 PM UTC-4, Greg Parker wrote:
On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 8:40:17 PM UTC+11, Gil Jesus wrote:
On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 7:26:32 PM UTC-4, Greg Parker wrote:
To buy into him having left "immediately", you have to explain his name on Kamiski's document with the same address that was on his library card - the only card he could have shown Kaminski with an address.I don't know what address Kaminski had on HIS document, but I know that the list of addresses the Dallas Police had of the TSBD employees had Oswald's address listed as "605 Elsbeth St."
https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/WH_Vol24_259-605-elsbeth.gif
and THAT address was not the same one that was on his library card. That address was 602.
https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/oswald-library-card.png
I'd like to see the link to that Kaminski document to compare it to the library card, if you have it.The list you refer to was made from the information obtained by Kaminski. I do not think his notes survived - only the typed list.
Thank you in advance.
The list also had the name as Harvey Lee Oswald.
Hold the library card upside down and that is how the name reads. The numbers on the address were smudged. Combine that with the card held upside down, and the wrong number being recorded is also explicable.
To be clear, I am saying that Kaminski was asking people to show ID with an address. In response Oswald flashed his library card but held it upside down,. causing Kaminski to misread both the name and the street number.Now Parker speculates that Kaminski read "Lee Harvey Oswald" upside down and came up with "Harvey Lee Oswald," and presents that speculation as fact. What else can he do? He has sworn off theories, so now he can only present his speculation as fact.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EJNBveKWoAETxTY?format=jpg&name=4096x4096
On Wednesday, October 18, 2023 at 3:00:59 PM UTC+11, NoTrueFlags Here wrote:Can you prove that? What is your firm evidence that you have firm evidence for "everything" you say?
On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 8:09:39 PM UTC-4, Greg Parker wrote:
On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 8:40:17 PM UTC+11, Gil Jesus wrote:
On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 7:26:32 PM UTC-4, Greg Parker wrote:
To buy into him having left "immediately", you have to explain his name on Kamiski's document with the same address that was on his library card - the only card he could have shown Kaminski with an address.I don't know what address Kaminski had on HIS document, but I know that the list of addresses the Dallas Police had of the TSBD employees had Oswald's address listed as "605 Elsbeth St."
https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/WH_Vol24_259-605-elsbeth.gif
and THAT address was not the same one that was on his library card. That address was 602.
https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/oswald-library-card.png
I'd like to see the link to that Kaminski document to compare it to the library card, if you have it.The list you refer to was made from the information obtained by Kaminski. I do not think his notes survived - only the typed list.
Thank you in advance.
The list also had the name as Harvey Lee Oswald.
Hold the library card upside down and that is how the name reads. The numbers on the address were smudged. Combine that with the card held upside down, and the wrong number being recorded is also explicable.
Speculation: "the forming of a theory or conjecture without firm evidence."To be clear, I am saying that Kaminski was asking people to show ID with an address. In response Oswald flashed his library card but held it upside down,. causing Kaminski to misread both the name and the street number.Now Parker speculates that Kaminski read "Lee Harvey Oswald" upside down and came up with "Harvey Lee Oswald," and presents that speculation as fact. What else can he do? He has sworn off theories, so now he can only present his speculation as fact.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EJNBveKWoAETxTY?format=jpg&name=4096x4096
I have firm evidence for everything I say.
On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 4:57:35 AM UTC-7, Brian Doyle wrote:
Interestingly, Insp. Sawyer's "lost" witness saw a man running out the back door of the depository about *3* minutes after the shooting. Sawyer used the witness's suspect description for his famous 12:44 transmission. Including the rifle description.The description also matches Baker's suspect description. Of course the numbers for all these descriptions are a bit off, if the guy was supposed to be Oswald. But, oddly enough, they agree with each other...
On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 3:05:22 PM UTC-4, Donald Willis wrote:
On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 4:57:35 AM UTC-7, Brian Doyle wrote:
The description also matches Baker's suspect description. Of course the numbers for all these descriptions are a bit off, if the guy was supposed to be Oswald. But, oddly enough, they agree with each other...Interestingly, Insp. Sawyer's "lost" witness saw a man running out the back door of the depository about *3* minutes after the shooting. Sawyer used the witness's suspect description for his famous 12:44 transmission. Including the rifle description.
This may be one of the sniper crew that Baker described as being "two white men at the back of the 1st Floor"...The second white man may have been Dougherty...
The Commission did absoutely nothing to investigate those men...
Greg Parker's argument style is to ignore the correct evidence and flood the thread with his bullshit...
On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 1:05:54 AM UTC+11, Brian Doyle wrote:
On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 3:05:22 PM UTC-4, Donald Willis wrote:
On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 4:57:35 AM UTC-7, Brian Doyle wrote:
| Sysop: | Keyop |
|---|---|
| Location: | Huddersfield, West Yorkshire, UK |
| Users: | 297 |
| Nodes: | 16 (0 / 16) |
| Uptime: | 123:47:47 |
| Calls: | 6,662 |
| Files: | 12,212 |
| Messages: | 5,334,705 |
