Gil insists that John Connally's description of the shooting undermines the SBT. Connally said JFK was hit by the first and third shots and he was hit by the second one. If true, that would certainly refute the SBT. To support Connally's account, Gil claims the Z-film shows JFK reacting at frame Z225 and Connally at Z236. Since they reacted 11 frames apart, that would indicate they were shot 11 frames apart. 11 frames of the Z-film would
equate to 0.6 seconds. The problem for Gil is that doesn't fit the rest of Connally's description of the shooting. Connally said he heard the first shot,
immediately recognized it as a high powered rifle, and had time to think that
it was an assassination attempt. He said he turned to look over his right shoulder was unable to see JFK and was just starting to turn back to his left
when he felt the second shot strike him in the back. He believed he had reached
a forward facing position when the bullet struck. In order to accept Gil's contention that the two men were shot 11 frames apart, we would have to believe that Connally made all of the above reactions in just 0.6 seconds.
That is, of course, preposterous that Connally could have done al that in just
0.6 seconds. This is the kind of silly things people who don't want to accept
the SBT are forced to convince themselves of. Rather than accept the simple fact a high powered rifle is more than capable of firing a round through two men who are in the same line of fire, they dream up completely ridiculous alternatives.
The problem with the conspiracy hobbyists is they never try to see if the pieces of their theories actually fit together. They do for believers in the SBT.
Connally said when he heard the first shot, he turned to look over his right shoulder. We see him do that at frame Z164 which would indicate a shot shortly before that. After looking to his right for several seconds, Connally
said he started to turn back to his left when he felt the bullet strike him in the
back. This happened at or just before Z224 when we see Connally's jacket bulge out and his shoulders tilt to his right. Just two frames later, JFK and
Connally both start raising their arms in perfect unison. Four frames after that Connally reached the forward facing position, after which he turned and dipped to his right. It all fits neatly together. No magic bullets required. No
delayed reaction required. Just two men being hit by the same bullet and reacting at virtually the same instant. Gil will never accept that because he
has spent a good part of his life arguing against the SBT and admitting its validity now would be admitting he has pissed away a good portion of his life.
I'll be happy to admit that for him.
On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 6:43:56 PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
Gil insists that John Connally's description of the shooting undermines theAll good points.
SBT. Connally said JFK was hit by the first and third shots and he was hit by the second one. If true, that would certainly refute the SBT. To support
Connally's account, Gil claims the Z-film shows JFK reacting at frame Z225 and Connally at Z236. Since they reacted 11 frames apart, that would indicate they were shot 11 frames apart. 11 frames of the Z-film would
equate to 0.6 seconds. The problem for Gil is that doesn't fit the rest of Connally's description of the shooting. Connally said he heard the first shot,
immediately recognized it as a high powered rifle, and had time to think that
it was an assassination attempt. He said he turned to look over his right shoulder was unable to see JFK and was just starting to turn back to his left
when he felt the second shot strike him in the back. He believed he had reached
a forward facing position when the bullet struck. In order to accept Gil's contention that the two men were shot 11 frames apart, we would have to believe that Connally made all of the above reactions in just 0.6 seconds.
Also, how absurd is it that a person in the middle of a surprise attack can discern a 0.6 second difference between when they were struck and someone behind them was struck?
He tries to hide the absurdity behind "That`s what Connally said" and "Look at this single z-film frame".
That is, of course, preposterous that Connally could have done al that in just
0.6 seconds. This is the kind of silly things people who don't want to accept
the SBT are forced to convince themselves of. Rather than accept the simple
fact a high powered rifle is more than capable of firing a round through two
men who are in the same line of fire, they dream up completely ridiculous alternatives.
The problem with the conspiracy hobbyists is they never try to see if the pieces of their theories actually fit together. They do for believers in the SBT.Yes, the SBT is a hobby killer.
Connally said when he heard the first shot, he turned to look over his right
shoulder. We see him do that at frame Z164 which would indicate a shot shortly before that. After looking to his right for several seconds, Connally
said he started to turn back to his left when he felt the bullet strike him in the
back. This happened at or just before Z224 when we see Connally's jacket bulge out and his shoulders tilt to his right. Just two frames later, JFK and
Connally both start raising their arms in perfect unison. Four frames after
that Connally reached the forward facing position, after which he turned and
dipped to his right. It all fits neatly together. No magic bullets required. No
delayed reaction required. Just two men being hit by the same bullet and reacting at virtually the same instant. Gil will never accept that because he
has spent a good part of his life arguing against the SBT and admitting its
validity now would be admitting he has pissed away a good portion of his life.
I'll be happy to admit that for him.
On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 6:56:17 PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 6:43:56 PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
Gil insists that John Connally's description of the shooting undermines theAll good points.
SBT. Connally said JFK was hit by the first and third shots and he was hit
by the second one. If true, that would certainly refute the SBT. To support
Connally's account, Gil claims the Z-film shows JFK reacting at frame Z225 and Connally at Z236. Since they reacted 11 frames apart, that would indicate they were shot 11 frames apart. 11 frames of the Z-film would
equate to 0.6 seconds. The problem for Gil is that doesn't fit the rest of
Connally's description of the shooting. Connally said he heard the first shot,
immediately recognized it as a high powered rifle, and had time to think that
it was an assassination attempt. He said he turned to look over his right
shoulder was unable to see JFK and was just starting to turn back to his left
when he felt the second shot strike him in the back. He believed he had reached
a forward facing position when the bullet struck. In order to accept Gil's
contention that the two men were shot 11 frames apart, we would have to believe that Connally made all of the above reactions in just 0.6 seconds.
Also, how absurd is it that a person in the middle of a surprise attack can discern a 0.6 second difference between when they were struck and someone behind them was struck?
He tries to hide the absurdity behind "That`s what Connally said" and "Look at this single z-film frame".
That is, of course, preposterous that Connally could have done al that in just
0.6 seconds. This is the kind of silly things people who don't want to accept
the SBT are forced to convince themselves of. Rather than accept the simple
fact a high powered rifle is more than capable of firing a round through two
men who are in the same line of fire, they dream up completely ridiculous
alternatives.
Over on the McAdams forum, Marsh used to argue for something equally preposterous.The problem with the conspiracy hobbyists is they never try to see if theYes, the SBT is a hobby killer.
pieces of their theories actually fit together. They do for believers in the SBT.
Connally said when he heard the first shot, he turned to look over his right
shoulder. We see him do that at frame Z164 which would indicate a shot shortly before that. After looking to his right for several seconds, Connally
said he started to turn back to his left when he felt the bullet strike him in the
back. This happened at or just before Z224 when we see Connally's jacket bulge out and his shoulders tilt to his right. Just two frames later, JFK and
Connally both start raising their arms in perfect unison. Four frames after
that Connally reached the forward facing position, after which he turned and
dipped to his right. It all fits neatly together. No magic bullets required. No
delayed reaction required. Just two men being hit by the same bullet and reacting at virtually the same instant. Gil will never accept that because he
has spent a good part of his life arguing against the SBT and admitting its
validity now would be admitting he has pissed away a good portion of his life.
I'll be happy to admit that for him.
Contrary to what Connally testified to before the WC, Marsh claimed he could see that JFK
had been shot when he turned to look over his shoulder and that is how he knew JFK had
been shot. When I asked Marsh to point out at which frame of the Z-film Connally had turned
around far enough to see JFK had been struck, he claimed Connally did this while hidden
behind the sign. Connally was hidden from view for roughly one second. According to Marsh,
in that one second, JFK was shot, Connally reacted to the shot, turned far enough to his right
to where he could see JFK had been hit, then rotated back to his left to the position we see
him when he emerged from behind the sign, turned slightly to his right. One has to wonder why
in addition to his bullet wounds, Connally hadn't suffered a severe case of whiplash.
In order to deny the validity of the SBT they are forced into increasingly absurd positions. That is what happens when you argue against reality.
On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 8:34:00 PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
In order to deny the validity of the SBT they are forced into increasingly absurd positions. That is what happens when you argue against reality.You mean like the "reality" you came to when you "reasoned" that the gunsack was 41 inches ?
On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 8:34:00 PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
In order to deny the validity of the SBT they are forced into increasingly absurd positions. That is what happens when you argue against reality.You mean like the "reality" you came to when you "reasoned" that the gunsack was 41 inches ?
On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 8:34:00?PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
In order to deny the validity of the SBT they are forced into increasingly absurd positions. That is what happens when you argue against reality.
You mean like the "reality" you came to when you "reasoned" that the gunsack was 41 inches ?
On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 5:27:24?AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 8:34:00?PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
In order to deny the validity of the SBT they are forced into increasingly absurd positions. That is what happens when you argue against reality.You mean like the "reality" you came to when you "reasoned" that the gunsack was 41 inches ?
On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 5:27:24 AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 8:34:00 PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:Gil will look for any diversion he can when confronted with the silliness of his arguments.
In order to deny the validity of the SBT they are forced into increasingly absurd positions. That is what happens when you argue against reality.You mean like the "reality" you came to when you "reasoned" that the gunsack was 41 inches ?
On Fri, 6 Oct 2023 02:27:22 -0700 (PDT), Gil Jesus
<gjjma...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 8:34:00?PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
In order to deny the validity of the SBT they are forced into increasingly absurd positions. That is what happens when you argue against reality.
You mean like the "reality" you came to when you "reasoned" that the gunsack was 41 inches ?Or his wacky belief about what the "A.B.C.D." was about in the Autopsy Report? (Huckster flat REFUSES to defend Chickenshit on this...)
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