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    From John Corbett@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 2 11:30:42 2023
    For many years, it was believed that JFK was shot while he was hidden from Zapruder's camera and was already reacting to being shot when he reappeared
    at frame Z225. I believed that for a long time, The truth is the bullet struck a
    split before that but his reaction to being shot didn't occur until one frame later. I discovered this thanks to DVP's excellent website on the Single
    Bullet theory.

    https://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2013/02/sbt-clips.html

    This website reveals a number of critical truths by toggling between frames.

    Toggling between 223-224 reveals Connally's coat bulging outward.
    Toggling between 224-225 shows that JFK's right hand was still moving
    DOWNWARD between those frames.
    Toggling between 225-226 shows this is the instance when JFK began
    reacting to his wound by suddenly jerking both arms upward. This is
    also the frame that Connally suddenly jerks his right arm upward.

    These are undeniable facts. Anyone can toggle between these critical frames
    and see for themselves that what I have stated is true. No honest discussion
    of the SBT can take place unless one is willing to accept these plain truths which is there for all to see.

    In the past, when I have pointed out these truths, Gil Jesus has responded by saying, neither the FBI, the Secret Service, the Warren Commission, nor the HSCA ever said this. That is absolutely true and totally irrelevant. What difference does it make if any of these entities discovered it. WE CAN SEE IT! We can see it because we've had decades to observe the film and now have technologies unavailable to the early investigators. We can enlarge and stabilize the frame to discover things that were missed six decades ago.

    So are there any CTs who are at least willing to admit the things I stated above
    are true. We can argue about what these clues indicate, but no honest discussion of the SBT can take place if the CTs are unwilling to admit these simple truths. My prediction is that none will because none of them are interested in an honest discussion.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to geowright1963@gmail.com on Mon Oct 2 12:42:54 2023
    On Mon, 2 Oct 2023 11:30:42 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett
    <geowright1963@gmail.com> wrote:

    For many years, it was believed that JFK was shot while he was hidden from >Zapruder's camera and was already reacting to being shot when he reappeared >at frame Z225.


    Whether you believe something or not has no effect on it's
    truthfulness.


    I believed that for a long time, The truth is the bullet struck a
    split before that but his reaction to being shot didn't occur until one frame >later.


    Can you locate any medical doctor at all who can support such a wacky
    idea?


    Website deleted...
    No sense in citing a website you can't defend.


    These are undeniable facts.


    I deny them. As did the WC.


    In the past, when I have pointed out these truths, Gil Jesus has responded by >saying, neither the FBI, the Secret Service, the Warren Commission, nor the >HSCA ever said this. That is absolutely true and totally irrelevant.


    Yep. You could care less for any opinion that contradicts yours, no
    matter how knowledgeable or expert it might be.


    What difference does it make if any of these entities discovered it. WE CAN SEE IT!


    Makes no difference at all... as YOU prove. We can quite plainly see
    the smoke in Dealey Plaza...


    So are there any CTs who are at least willing to admit the things I stated above
    are true.


    Certainly. I will examine them for "truthfulness" just as soon as you acknowledge the smoke in Dealey Plaza, the many lies told by the WCR,
    and the lies told by Bugliosi, to name just a few...


    We can argue about what these clues indicate, but no honest
    discussion of the SBT can take place if the CTs are unwilling to admit these >simple truths.


    No honest discussion can take place with proven liars.


    My prediction is that none will because none of them are
    interested in an honest discussion.


    I predict that you're so busy molesting your niece that you can't
    respond to this.

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  • From Gil Jesus@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Wed Oct 4 02:20:44 2023
    On Monday, October 2, 2023 at 3:43:02 PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Mon, 2 Oct 2023 11:30:42 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett
    <geowri...@gmail.com> wrote:
    In the past, when I have pointed out these truths, Gil Jesus has responded by
    saying, neither the FBI, the Secret Service, the Warren Commission, nor the >HSCA ever said this. That is absolutely true and totally irrelevant.
    Yep. You could care less for any opinion that contradicts yours, no
    matter how knowledgeable or expert it might be.
    What difference does it make if any of these entities discovered it. WE CAN SEE IT!

    Here's what else we can see:

    https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/Z230.mp4

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  • From Gil Jesus@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Wed Oct 4 02:32:52 2023
    On Monday, October 2, 2023 at 3:43:02 PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Mon, 2 Oct 2023 11:30:42 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett
    <geowri...@gmail.com> wrote:
    I believed that for a long time, The truth is the bullet struck a
    split before that but his reaction to being shot didn't occur until one frame
    later.
    Can you locate any medical doctor at all who can support such a wacky
    idea?

    WTF is he talking about ? A bullet splitting ?
    ROFLMAO

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  • From Gil Jesus@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Wed Oct 4 02:36:31 2023
    On Monday, October 2, 2023 at 3:43:02 PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Mon, 2 Oct 2023 11:30:42 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett
    <geowri...@gmail.com> wrote:
    I believed that for a long time, The truth is the bullet struck a
    split before that but his reaction to being shot didn't occur until one frame
    later.
    Can you locate any medical doctor at all who can support such a wacky
    idea?

    Dr. David Von Pein's wacky website.
    Now there's a place to go for premier photographic and medical analysis. ROFLMAO

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  • From John Corbett@21:1/5 to Gil Jesus on Wed Oct 4 03:56:38 2023
    On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 5:32:54 AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Monday, October 2, 2023 at 3:43:02 PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Mon, 2 Oct 2023 11:30:42 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett <geowri...@gmail.com> wrote:
    I believed that for a long time, The truth is the bullet struck a
    split before that but his reaction to being shot didn't occur until one frame
    later.
    Can you locate any medical doctor at all who can support such a wacky idea?
    WTF is he talking about ? A bullet splitting ?
    ROFLMAO

    That was meant to say "split second". A simple typo. BFD. I'll fire my proof reader.

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  • From John Corbett@21:1/5 to Gil Jesus on Wed Oct 4 04:05:40 2023
    On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 5:20:45 AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Monday, October 2, 2023 at 3:43:02 PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Mon, 2 Oct 2023 11:30:42 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett <geowri...@gmail.com> wrote:
    In the past, when I have pointed out these truths, Gil Jesus has responded by
    saying, neither the FBI, the Secret Service, the Warren Commission, nor the
    HSCA ever said this. That is absolutely true and totally irrelevant.
    Yep. You could care less for any opinion that contradicts yours, no
    matter how knowledgeable or expert it might be.
    What difference does it make if any of these entities discovered it. WE CAN SEE IT!
    Here's what else we can see:

    So you acknowledge that Connally's arm flip began at the exact moment that JFK's arms start
    upward.

    https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/Z230.mp4

    Your rebuttal to the above fact is to cite several other people unaware of the fact of the
    simultaneous arm movements. People make the mistake of assuming Connally's initial reaction
    to be shot was the one he described, doubling over and dipping to his right. That movement
    began about a half second after he was shot. His involuntary and almost immediate reaction to
    being shot was to suddenly flip his arm upward.

    Do you have any explanation for why Connally's right arm flipped upward at the exact moment
    JFK's arms flipped upward?

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  • From John Corbett@21:1/5 to Gil Jesus on Wed Oct 4 04:04:59 2023
    On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 5:36:33 AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Monday, October 2, 2023 at 3:43:02 PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Mon, 2 Oct 2023 11:30:42 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett <geowri...@gmail.com> wrote:
    I believed that for a long time, The truth is the bullet struck a
    split before that but his reaction to being shot didn't occur until one frame
    later.
    Can you locate any medical doctor at all who can support such a wacky idea?
    Dr. David Von Pein's wacky website.
    Now there's a place to go for premier photographic and medical analysis. ROFLMAO

    Are you claiming the clips shown on his website are fraudulent. Any version of the Z-film shows
    the same key elements, the jacket bulge followed immediately by both men's arms starting
    upward at the same time. DVP's website makes those elements much easier to discern through
    the enlargement and stabilization of the frames and the toggling between frames. It shows
    JFK's right arm was still coming down at frame Z225, which refutes the long held belief that
    when he first appeared from behind the sign he had already raised his arms to his throat.

    Gil's disparaging of DVP's website is the classic non-denial denial. He scoffs at it but won't
    say the film clips aren't genuine.

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  • From David Von Pein@21:1/5 to Gil Jesus on Wed Oct 4 03:37:47 2023
    On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 5:32:54 AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    WTF is he talking about? A bullet splitting? ROFLMAO

    John Corbett obviously meant to write "split second". He omitted the word "second".

    Glad I could help you solve this major mystery.

    /s/ Dr. D.R. Von Pein

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  • From David Von Pein@21:1/5 to All on Wed Oct 4 06:11:07 2023
    http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2015/01/jfk-assassination-arguments-part-887.html

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to davevonpein@aol.com on Wed Oct 4 07:00:10 2023
    On Wed, 4 Oct 2023 06:11:07 -0700 (PDT), David Von Pein
    <davevonpein@aol.com> wrote:

    http://jfk-archives.blogspo

    Tut tut tut, Von Penis - we've discussed this before... No citing
    things you refuse to defend in open forum.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to gjjmail1202@gmail.com on Wed Oct 4 07:00:10 2023
    On Wed, 4 Oct 2023 02:32:52 -0700 (PDT), Gil Jesus
    <gjjmail1202@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, October 2, 2023 at 3:43:02?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Mon, 2 Oct 2023 11:30:42 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett
    <geowri...@gmail.com> wrote:
    I believed that for a long time, The truth is the bullet struck a
    split before that but his reaction to being shot didn't occur until one frame
    later.
    Can you locate any medical doctor at all who can support such a wacky
    idea?

    WTF is he talking about ? A bullet splitting ?
    ROFLMAO


    Yep. Corbutts' always good for a laugh!

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to geowright1963@gmail.com on Wed Oct 4 07:00:10 2023
    On Wed, 4 Oct 2023 04:04:59 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett
    <geowright1963@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 5:36:33?AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Monday, October 2, 2023 at 3:43:02?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Mon, 2 Oct 2023 11:30:42 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett
    <geowri...@gmail.com> wrote:
    I believed that for a long time, The truth is the bullet struck a >>>>split before that but his reaction to being shot didn't occur until one frame
    later.
    Can you locate any medical doctor at all who can support such a wacky
    idea?
    Dr. David Von Pein's wacky website.
    Now there's a place to go for premier photographic and medical analysis.
    ROFLMAO

    Are you claiming the clips shown on his website are fraudulent.

    There you go again, trying to think...

    Here's a thought - why not *try* to understand what critics are saying
    before you put words in our mouths?

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