• Photography Of The Overpass Smoke From The Railroad Detectives Shots

    From NoTrueFlags Here@21:1/5 to All on Sun Oct 1 01:50:04 2023
    I don't know of any photography that shows the picket fence smokes. Modern gunpowder does leave little smoke and most cameras were not pointed that way. But there is photography of some overpass smoke which perhaps came from the Railroad Detectives shots,
    two of which can be seen in the Zapruder film to have impacted the windshield and John Connally's wrist.

    https://postimg.cc/Jy5kwJ2y

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  • From John Corbett@21:1/5 to NoTrueFlags Here on Sun Oct 1 04:45:09 2023
    On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 4:50:06 AM UTC-4, NoTrueFlags Here wrote:
    I don't know of any photography that shows the picket fence smokes. Modern gunpowder does leave little smoke and most cameras were not pointed that way. But there is photography of some overpass smoke which perhaps came from the Railroad Detectives
    shots, two of which can be seen in the Zapruder film to have impacted the windshield and John Connally's wrist.

    https://postimg.cc/Jy5kwJ2y

    Why is the smoke still there after the limo is gone? Just asking.

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  • From NoTrueFlags Here@21:1/5 to John Corbett on Sun Oct 1 05:22:19 2023
    On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 7:45:11 AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 4:50:06 AM UTC-4, NoTrueFlags Here wrote:
    I don't know of any photography that shows the picket fence smokes. Modern gunpowder does leave little smoke and most cameras were not pointed that way. But there is photography of some overpass smoke which perhaps came from the Railroad Detectives
    shots, two of which can be seen in the Zapruder film to have impacted the windshield and John Connally's wrist.

    https://postimg.cc/Jy5kwJ2y
    Why is the smoke still there after the limo is gone? Just asking.

    The limo is just going under the overpass, Retard. Limo goes faster than smoke.

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  • From Bud@21:1/5 to NoTrueFlags Here on Sun Oct 1 07:42:11 2023
    On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 8:22:21 AM UTC-4, NoTrueFlags Here wrote:
    On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 7:45:11 AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 4:50:06 AM UTC-4, NoTrueFlags Here wrote:
    I don't know of any photography that shows the picket fence smokes. Modern gunpowder does leave little smoke and most cameras were not pointed that way. But there is photography of some overpass smoke which perhaps came from the Railroad Detectives
    shots, two of which can be seen in the Zapruder film to have impacted the windshield and John Connally's wrist.

    https://postimg.cc/Jy5kwJ2y
    Why is the smoke still there after the limo is gone? Just asking.
    The limo is just going under the overpass, Retard. Limo goes faster than smoke.

    Smoke dissipates faster than limo goes.

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/bE8QxS9ZEv4

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  • From NoTrueFlags Here@21:1/5 to All on Sun Oct 1 07:45:02 2023
    On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 10:42:13 AM UTC-4, Bud wrote:

    Bud is even stupider than Corbett, who, by the way, is ignoring me!

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  • From John Corbett@21:1/5 to Bud on Sun Oct 1 08:46:14 2023
    On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 10:42:13 AM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
    On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 8:22:21 AM UTC-4, NoTrueFlags Here wrote:
    On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 7:45:11 AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 4:50:06 AM UTC-4, NoTrueFlags Here wrote:
    I don't know of any photography that shows the picket fence smokes. Modern gunpowder does leave little smoke and most cameras were not pointed that way. But there is photography of some overpass smoke which perhaps came from the Railroad
    Detectives shots, two of which can be seen in the Zapruder film to have impacted the windshield and John Connally's wrist.

    https://postimg.cc/Jy5kwJ2y
    Why is the smoke still there after the limo is gone? Just asking.
    The limo is just going under the overpass, Retard. Limo goes faster than smoke.
    Smoke dissipates faster than limo goes.

    If that assclown thinks the limo is still under the overpass, he's even loonier than I thought. I
    don't know where the two cars seen in the Weigman still were in the motorcade but they had
    to be well behind the press bus and we don't even see the press bus in that shot. The limo had
    to be well on its way to Parkland by the time that shot was taken.

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  • From Steven Galbraith@21:1/5 to John Corbett on Sun Oct 1 09:14:57 2023
    On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 11:46:15 AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 10:42:13 AM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
    On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 8:22:21 AM UTC-4, NoTrueFlags Here wrote:
    On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 7:45:11 AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 4:50:06 AM UTC-4, NoTrueFlags Here wrote:
    I don't know of any photography that shows the picket fence smokes. Modern gunpowder does leave little smoke and most cameras were not pointed that way. But there is photography of some overpass smoke which perhaps came from the Railroad
    Detectives shots, two of which can be seen in the Zapruder film to have impacted the windshield and John Connally's wrist.

    https://postimg.cc/Jy5kwJ2y
    Why is the smoke still there after the limo is gone? Just asking.
    The limo is just going under the overpass, Retard. Limo goes faster than smoke.
    Smoke dissipates faster than limo goes.

    If that assclown thinks the limo is still under the overpass, he's even loonier than I thought. I
    don't know where the two cars seen in the Weigman still were in the motorcade but they had
    to be well behind the press bus and we don't even see the press bus in that shot. The limo had
    to be well on its way to Parkland by the time that shot was taken.
    Here's the complete film enhanced w/one frame per second. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3xR0WBPo8I
    Wiegman was in car #8. Here's an animation of where the car was during the shooting: https://www.jfk-assassination.net/russ/animation.htm
    In the Mark Tyler animation (very good), the car is just approaching the turn on Elm at Z-312. The car stops and he jumps out and starts filming.
    Animation is here: https://jfkfacts.org/mapping-jfks-motorcade/
    My guess is that the limo was through the overpass at the time this smoke/glare/whatever is seen. How many seconds is a guess. Three? Five?

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  • From NoTrueFlags Here@21:1/5 to Steven Galbraith on Sun Oct 1 09:46:29 2023
    On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 12:14:59 PM UTC-4, Steven Galbraith wrote:
    On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 11:46:15 AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 10:42:13 AM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
    On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 8:22:21 AM UTC-4, NoTrueFlags Here wrote:
    On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 7:45:11 AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 4:50:06 AM UTC-4, NoTrueFlags Here wrote:
    I don't know of any photography that shows the picket fence smokes. Modern gunpowder does leave little smoke and most cameras were not pointed that way. But there is photography of some overpass smoke which perhaps came from the Railroad
    Detectives shots, two of which can be seen in the Zapruder film to have impacted the windshield and John Connally's wrist.

    https://postimg.cc/Jy5kwJ2y
    Why is the smoke still there after the limo is gone? Just asking.
    The limo is just going under the overpass, Retard. Limo goes faster than smoke.
    Smoke dissipates faster than limo goes.

    If that assclown thinks the limo is still under the overpass, he's even loonier than I thought. I
    don't know where the two cars seen in the Weigman still were in the motorcade but they had
    to be well behind the press bus and we don't even see the press bus in that shot. The limo had
    to be well on its way to Parkland by the time that shot was taken.
    Here's the complete film enhanced w/one frame per second. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3xR0WBPo8I
    Wiegman was in car #8. Here's an animation of where the car was during the shooting: https://www.jfk-assassination.net/russ/animation.htm
    In the Mark Tyler animation (very good), the car is just approaching the turn on Elm at Z-312. The car stops and he jumps out and starts filming.
    Animation is here: https://jfkfacts.org/mapping-jfks-motorcade/
    My guess is that the limo was through the overpass at the time this smoke/glare/whatever is seen. How many seconds is a guess. Three? Five?

    The limo is visible in the Weigman frame I posted. Nutters are blind.

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  • From Steven Galbraith@21:1/5 to Steven Galbraith on Sun Oct 1 09:43:55 2023
    On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 12:14:59 PM UTC-4, Steven Galbraith wrote:
    On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 11:46:15 AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 10:42:13 AM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
    On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 8:22:21 AM UTC-4, NoTrueFlags Here wrote:
    On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 7:45:11 AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 4:50:06 AM UTC-4, NoTrueFlags Here wrote:
    I don't know of any photography that shows the picket fence smokes. Modern gunpowder does leave little smoke and most cameras were not pointed that way. But there is photography of some overpass smoke which perhaps came from the Railroad
    Detectives shots, two of which can be seen in the Zapruder film to have impacted the windshield and John Connally's wrist.

    https://postimg.cc/Jy5kwJ2y
    Why is the smoke still there after the limo is gone? Just asking.
    The limo is just going under the overpass, Retard. Limo goes faster than smoke.
    Smoke dissipates faster than limo goes.

    If that assclown thinks the limo is still under the overpass, he's even loonier than I thought. I
    don't know where the two cars seen in the Weigman still were in the motorcade but they had
    to be well behind the press bus and we don't even see the press bus in that shot. The limo had
    to be well on its way to Parkland by the time that shot was taken.
    Here's the complete film enhanced w/one frame per second. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3xR0WBPo8I
    Wiegman was in car #8. Here's an animation of where the car was during the shooting: https://www.jfk-assassination.net/russ/animation.htm
    In the Mark Tyler animation (very good), the car is just approaching the turn on Elm at Z-312. The car stops and he jumps out and starts filming.
    Animation is here: https://jfkfacts.org/mapping-jfks-motorcade/
    My guess is that the limo was through the overpass at the time this smoke/glare/whatever is seen. How many seconds is a guess. Three? Five?
    Don't know how accurate that Tyler animation is but it's an amazing piece of work. If it is close, he has Wiegman leaving the car at, as best I can tell, about 6 seconds after Z-312. Wiegman then films the crowd around the TSBD and on Elm Street for
    several seconds before the "smoke"/glare shot of the overpass can be seen. Best guess for me is this is 8-9 seconds after the last shot. Would smoke linger around that long?

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  • From NoTrueFlags Here@21:1/5 to Steven Galbraith on Sun Oct 1 09:49:17 2023
    On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 12:43:56 PM UTC-4, Steven Galbraith wrote:
    On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 12:14:59 PM UTC-4, Steven Galbraith wrote:
    On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 11:46:15 AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 10:42:13 AM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
    On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 8:22:21 AM UTC-4, NoTrueFlags Here wrote:
    On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 7:45:11 AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 4:50:06 AM UTC-4, NoTrueFlags Here wrote:
    I don't know of any photography that shows the picket fence smokes. Modern gunpowder does leave little smoke and most cameras were not pointed that way. But there is photography of some overpass smoke which perhaps came from the Railroad
    Detectives shots, two of which can be seen in the Zapruder film to have impacted the windshield and John Connally's wrist.

    https://postimg.cc/Jy5kwJ2y
    Why is the smoke still there after the limo is gone? Just asking.
    The limo is just going under the overpass, Retard. Limo goes faster than smoke.
    Smoke dissipates faster than limo goes.

    If that assclown thinks the limo is still under the overpass, he's even loonier than I thought. I
    don't know where the two cars seen in the Weigman still were in the motorcade but they had
    to be well behind the press bus and we don't even see the press bus in that shot. The limo had
    to be well on its way to Parkland by the time that shot was taken.
    Here's the complete film enhanced w/one frame per second. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3xR0WBPo8I
    Wiegman was in car #8. Here's an animation of where the car was during the shooting: https://www.jfk-assassination.net/russ/animation.htm
    In the Mark Tyler animation (very good), the car is just approaching the turn on Elm at Z-312. The car stops and he jumps out and starts filming.
    Animation is here: https://jfkfacts.org/mapping-jfks-motorcade/
    My guess is that the limo was through the overpass at the time this smoke/glare/whatever is seen. How many seconds is a guess. Three? Five?
    Don't know how accurate that Tyler animation is but it's an amazing piece of work. If it is close, he has Wiegman leaving the car at, as best I can tell, about 6 seconds after Z-312. Wiegman then films the crowd around the TSBD and on Elm Street for
    several seconds before the "smoke"/glare shot of the overpass can be seen. Best guess for me is this is 8-9 seconds after the last shot. Would smoke linger around that long?

    All right idiots. In this link I have circled the limo in green. https://postimg.cc/Lh2T7LmL

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  • From Steven Galbraith@21:1/5 to Steven Galbraith on Sun Oct 1 13:45:20 2023
    On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 12:43:56 PM UTC-4, Steven Galbraith wrote:
    On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 12:14:59 PM UTC-4, Steven Galbraith wrote:
    On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 11:46:15 AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 10:42:13 AM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
    On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 8:22:21 AM UTC-4, NoTrueFlags Here wrote:
    On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 7:45:11 AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 4:50:06 AM UTC-4, NoTrueFlags Here wrote:
    I don't know of any photography that shows the picket fence smokes. Modern gunpowder does leave little smoke and most cameras were not pointed that way. But there is photography of some overpass smoke which perhaps came from the Railroad
    Detectives shots, two of which can be seen in the Zapruder film to have impacted the windshield and John Connally's wrist.

    https://postimg.cc/Jy5kwJ2y
    Why is the smoke still there after the limo is gone? Just asking.
    The limo is just going under the overpass, Retard. Limo goes faster than smoke.
    Smoke dissipates faster than limo goes.

    If that assclown thinks the limo is still under the overpass, he's even loonier than I thought. I
    don't know where the two cars seen in the Weigman still were in the motorcade but they had
    to be well behind the press bus and we don't even see the press bus in that shot. The limo had
    to be well on its way to Parkland by the time that shot was taken.
    Here's the complete film enhanced w/one frame per second. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3xR0WBPo8I
    Wiegman was in car #8. Here's an animation of where the car was during the shooting: https://www.jfk-assassination.net/russ/animation.htm
    In the Mark Tyler animation (very good), the car is just approaching the turn on Elm at Z-312. The car stops and he jumps out and starts filming.
    Animation is here: https://jfkfacts.org/mapping-jfks-motorcade/
    My guess is that the limo was through the overpass at the time this smoke/glare/whatever is seen. How many seconds is a guess. Three? Five?
    Don't know how accurate that Tyler animation is but it's an amazing piece of work. If it is close, he has Wiegman leaving the car at, as best I can tell, about 6 seconds after Z-312. Wiegman then films the crowd around the TSBD and on Elm Street for
    several seconds before the "smoke"/glare shot of the overpass can be seen. Best guess for me is this is 8-9 seconds after the last shot. Would smoke linger around that long?
    No, correction, I misread it. It appears he has Wiegman leaving the car right in front of the TSBD at the Z-312 or third shot not 6-8 seconds after it. Wiegman then films the crowds on the street while running and then several seconds later - 3-5? -
    filming the underpass/trees. So it's not 8-9 seconds after the third shot but 3-5.

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  • From Bud@21:1/5 to John Corbett on Sun Oct 1 14:32:19 2023
    On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 11:46:15 AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 10:42:13 AM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
    On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 8:22:21 AM UTC-4, NoTrueFlags Here wrote:
    On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 7:45:11 AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 4:50:06 AM UTC-4, NoTrueFlags Here wrote:
    I don't know of any photography that shows the picket fence smokes. Modern gunpowder does leave little smoke and most cameras were not pointed that way. But there is photography of some overpass smoke which perhaps came from the Railroad
    Detectives shots, two of which can be seen in the Zapruder film to have impacted the windshield and John Connally's wrist.

    https://postimg.cc/Jy5kwJ2y
    Why is the smoke still there after the limo is gone? Just asking.
    The limo is just going under the overpass, Retard. Limo goes faster than smoke.
    Smoke dissipates faster than limo goes.

    If that assclown thinks the limo is still under the overpass, he's even loonier than I thought. I
    don't know where the two cars seen in the Weigman still were in the motorcade but they had
    to be well behind the press bus and we don't even see the press bus in that shot. The limo had
    to be well on its way to Parkland by the time that shot was taken.

    Reasoning will tell you that the first thing to do is establish that it is plausible that smoke emitted from a modern rifle can rise intact in a cloud on a breezy day. That has never been done so there is no reason to entertain that it could be
    gunsmoke. Secondly, reasoning will tell you that if there was a large, intact cloud of smoke in Dealey Plaza, that you`d have dozens of people noting it. They`d also need to explain why the cop is climbing up onto the overpass when the smoke is behind
    him. As usual, the problem is caused by a reasoning deficiency among the conspiracy hobbyists.

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  • From NoTrueFlags Here@21:1/5 to Bud on Sun Oct 1 18:40:57 2023
    On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 5:32:21 PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
    On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 11:46:15 AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 10:42:13 AM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
    On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 8:22:21 AM UTC-4, NoTrueFlags Here wrote:
    On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 7:45:11 AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 4:50:06 AM UTC-4, NoTrueFlags Here wrote:
    I don't know of any photography that shows the picket fence smokes. Modern gunpowder does leave little smoke and most cameras were not pointed that way. But there is photography of some overpass smoke which perhaps came from the Railroad
    Detectives shots, two of which can be seen in the Zapruder film to have impacted the windshield and John Connally's wrist.

    https://postimg.cc/Jy5kwJ2y
    Why is the smoke still there after the limo is gone? Just asking.
    The limo is just going under the overpass, Retard. Limo goes faster than smoke.
    Smoke dissipates faster than limo goes.

    If that assclown thinks the limo is still under the overpass, he's even loonier than I thought. I
    don't know where the two cars seen in the Weigman still were in the motorcade but they had
    to be well behind the press bus and we don't even see the press bus in that shot. The limo had
    to be well on its way to Parkland by the time that shot was taken.
    Reasoning will tell you that the first thing to do is establish that it is plausible that smoke emitted from a modern rifle can rise intact in a cloud on a breezy day. That has never been done so there is no reason to entertain that it could be
    gunsmoke. Secondly, reasoning will tell you that if there was a large, intact cloud of smoke in Dealey Plaza, that you`d have dozens of people noting it. They`d also need to explain why the cop is climbing up onto the overpass when the smoke is behind
    him. As usual, the problem is caused by a reasoning deficiency among the conspiracy hobbyists.

    Here, Dumber tells Dumb what "reasoning" will tell you.

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  • From NoTrueFlags Here@21:1/5 to Steven Galbraith on Sun Oct 1 23:56:34 2023
    On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 4:45:21 PM UTC-4, Steven Galbraith wrote:
    On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 12:43:56 PM UTC-4, Steven Galbraith wrote:
    On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 12:14:59 PM UTC-4, Steven Galbraith wrote:
    On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 11:46:15 AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 10:42:13 AM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
    On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 8:22:21 AM UTC-4, NoTrueFlags Here wrote:
    On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 7:45:11 AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 4:50:06 AM UTC-4, NoTrueFlags Here wrote:
    I don't know of any photography that shows the picket fence smokes. Modern gunpowder does leave little smoke and most cameras were not pointed that way. But there is photography of some overpass smoke which perhaps came from the Railroad
    Detectives shots, two of which can be seen in the Zapruder film to have impacted the windshield and John Connally's wrist.

    https://postimg.cc/Jy5kwJ2y
    Why is the smoke still there after the limo is gone? Just asking.
    The limo is just going under the overpass, Retard. Limo goes faster than smoke.
    Smoke dissipates faster than limo goes.

    If that assclown thinks the limo is still under the overpass, he's even loonier than I thought. I
    don't know where the two cars seen in the Weigman still were in the motorcade but they had
    to be well behind the press bus and we don't even see the press bus in that shot. The limo had
    to be well on its way to Parkland by the time that shot was taken.
    Here's the complete film enhanced w/one frame per second. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3xR0WBPo8I
    Wiegman was in car #8. Here's an animation of where the car was during the shooting: https://www.jfk-assassination.net/russ/animation.htm
    In the Mark Tyler animation (very good), the car is just approaching the turn on Elm at Z-312. The car stops and he jumps out and starts filming.
    Animation is here: https://jfkfacts.org/mapping-jfks-motorcade/
    My guess is that the limo was through the overpass at the time this smoke/glare/whatever is seen. How many seconds is a guess. Three? Five?
    Don't know how accurate that Tyler animation is but it's an amazing piece of work. If it is close, he has Wiegman leaving the car at, as best I can tell, about 6 seconds after Z-312. Wiegman then films the crowd around the TSBD and on Elm Street for
    several seconds before the "smoke"/glare shot of the overpass can be seen. Best guess for me is this is 8-9 seconds after the last shot. Would smoke linger around that long?
    No, correction, I misread it. It appears he has Wiegman leaving the car right in front of the TSBD at the Z-312 or third shot not 6-8 seconds after it. Wiegman then films the crowds on the street while running and then several seconds later - 3-5? -
    filming the underpass/trees. So it's not 8-9 seconds after the third shot but 3-5.

    "3 seconds" sounds close. But "reasoning will tell you" that it is inevitable that such an exercise will be loaded with errors no matter how smart Tyler may be. His animation should not be a basis for understanding. It is not evidence. The limo is just
    entering the underpass when the smoke can be seen, according to the Weigman film, which is evidence.

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  • From Gil Jesus@21:1/5 to NoTrueFlags Here on Mon Oct 2 02:00:59 2023
    On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 9:40:59 PM UTC-4, NoTrueFlags Here wrote:
    Here, Dumber tells Dumb what "reasoning" will tell you.

    What he calls"reasoning" is nothing more than speculation ( the forming of a theory or conjecture without firm evidence ).
    Any time some witness mentions smoke on the knoll, he "reasons" that they said there was a rifle.
    Just like he "reasons" the gunsack was 41 inches.
    Just like Corbett "reasons" both Kennedy and Connally were hit at Z frame 224. All of their "reasoning" is nothing more than speculation to try to explain the government's case.
    There's no firm evidence to support it.

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  • From Bud@21:1/5 to Gil Jesus on Mon Oct 2 03:30:29 2023
    On Monday, October 2, 2023 at 5:01:01 AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 9:40:59 PM UTC-4, NoTrueFlags Here wrote:
    Here, Dumber tells Dumb what "reasoning" will tell you.
    What he calls"reasoning" is nothing more than speculation ( the forming of a theory or conjecture without firm evidence ).

    I notice you don`t show where the reasoning is flawed, you just brush it off.

    Any time some witness mentions smoke on the knoll, he "reasons" that they said there was a rifle.

    You refuse to quote them.

    Didn`t one say they thought it was from the police motorcycles?

    Just like he "reasons" the gunsack was 41 inches.

    Is a car with it`s doors open wider than a car with it`s doors shut?

    You are just too stupid to understand the concepts I was expressing.

    Just like Corbett "reasons" both Kennedy and Connally were hit at Z frame 224.

    Deductive reasoning scares the hell out of you.

    All of their "reasoning" is nothing more than speculation to try to explain the government's case.

    We do spend a lot of time trying to explain simple things to you idiots.

    There's no firm evidence to support it.

    Just because you choose to ignore it doesn`t mean it doesn`t exist.

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  • From Bud@21:1/5 to NoTrueFlags Here on Mon Oct 2 03:22:04 2023
    On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 9:40:59 PM UTC-4, NoTrueFlags Here wrote:
    On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 5:32:21 PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
    On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 11:46:15 AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 10:42:13 AM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
    On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 8:22:21 AM UTC-4, NoTrueFlags Here wrote:
    On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 7:45:11 AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 4:50:06 AM UTC-4, NoTrueFlags Here wrote:
    I don't know of any photography that shows the picket fence smokes. Modern gunpowder does leave little smoke and most cameras were not pointed that way. But there is photography of some overpass smoke which perhaps came from the Railroad
    Detectives shots, two of which can be seen in the Zapruder film to have impacted the windshield and John Connally's wrist.

    https://postimg.cc/Jy5kwJ2y
    Why is the smoke still there after the limo is gone? Just asking.
    The limo is just going under the overpass, Retard. Limo goes faster than smoke.
    Smoke dissipates faster than limo goes.

    If that assclown thinks the limo is still under the overpass, he's even loonier than I thought. I
    don't know where the two cars seen in the Weigman still were in the motorcade but they had
    to be well behind the press bus and we don't even see the press bus in that shot. The limo had
    to be well on its way to Parkland by the time that shot was taken.
    Reasoning will tell you that the first thing to do is establish that it is plausible that smoke emitted from a modern rifle can rise intact in a cloud on a breezy day. That has never been done so there is no reason to entertain that it could be
    gunsmoke. Secondly, reasoning will tell you that if there was a large, intact cloud of smoke in Dealey Plaza, that you`d have dozens of people noting it. They`d also need to explain why the cop is climbing up onto the overpass when the smoke is behind
    him. As usual, the problem is caused by a reasoning deficiency among the conspiracy hobbyists.
    Here, Dumber tells Dumb what "reasoning" will tell you.

    It is of no use to you guys, it can only interfere with your silly game playing.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 2 07:34:27 2023
    On Mon, 2 Oct 2023 03:30:29 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirslick@fast.net>
    wrote:


    So, according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval" shape that was
    "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

    Chickenshit is TERRIFIED of this simple honest question. He knows
    that Bugliosi was a moron if he truly thought this... yet you can't
    get Chickenshit to publicly acknowledge that Bugliosi said this.

    It's a simple "Yes" or "No" question, and Chickenshit cannot cite
    where he has EVER answered it. (Without immediately denying it.)

    So it's going to keep getting asked until Chickenshit answers it.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to geowright1963@gmail.com on Mon Oct 2 08:02:12 2023
    On Sun, 1 Oct 2023 04:45:09 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett
    <geowright1963@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 4:50:06?AM UTC-4, NoTrueFlags Here wrote:
    I don't know of any photography that shows the picket fence smokes. Modern gunpowder does leave little smoke and most cameras were not pointed that way. But there is photography of some overpass smoke which perhaps came from the Railroad Detectives
    shots, two of which can be seen in the Zapruder film to have impacted the windshield and John Connally's wrist.

    https://postimg.cc/Jy5kwJ2y

    Why is the smoke still there after the limo is gone? Just asking.

    ROTFLMAO!!! Five year olds ask better questions!!!

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to stevemgalbraith@yahoo.com on Mon Oct 2 08:02:12 2023
    On Sun, 1 Oct 2023 09:14:57 -0700 (PDT), Steven Galbraith <stevemgalbraith@yahoo.com> wrote:

    Here's the complete film enhanced w/one frame per second. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3xR0WBPo8I
    Wiegman was in car #8. Here's an animation of where the car was during the shooting: https://www.jfk-assassination.net/russ/animation.htm
    In the Mark Tyler animation (very good), the car is just approaching the turn on Elm at Z-312. The car stops and he jumps out and starts filming.
    Animation is here: https://jfkfacts.org/mapping-jfks-motorcade/
    My guess is that the limo was through the overpass at the time this smoke/glare/whatever is seen. How many seconds is a guess. Three? Five?


    Meaningless...

    Amusing how believers can't believe their own eyes.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 2 08:02:12 2023
    On Sun, 1 Oct 2023 14:32:19 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirslick@fast.net>
    wrote:


    So, according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval" shape that was
    "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

    Chickenshit is TERRIFIED of this simple honest question. He knows
    that Bugliosi was a moron if he truly thought this... yet you can't
    get Chickenshit to publicly acknowledge that Bugliosi said this.

    It's a simple "Yes" or "No" question, and Chickenshit cannot cite
    where he has EVER answered it. (Without immediately denying it.)

    So it's going to keep getting asked until Chickenshit answers it.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to gjjmail1202@gmail.com on Mon Oct 2 08:02:12 2023
    On Mon, 2 Oct 2023 02:00:59 -0700 (PDT), Gil Jesus
    <gjjmail1202@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 9:40:59?PM UTC-4, NoTrueFlags Here wrote:
    Here, Dumber tells Dumb what "reasoning" will tell you.

    What he calls"reasoning" is nothing more than speculation ( the forming of a theory or conjecture without firm evidence ).
    Any time some witness mentions smoke on the knoll, he "reasons" that they said there was a rifle.
    Just like he "reasons" the gunsack was 41 inches.
    Just like Corbett "reasons" both Kennedy and Connally were hit at Z frame 224. >All of their "reasoning" is nothing more than speculation to try to explain the government's case.
    There's no firm evidence to support it.

    They used to call it "common sense" - but no matter what words they
    use, they're lying.

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