• Provable Lies Of The Warren Commission - #26 - Just For Cowards Corbutt

    From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to All on Thu Sep 28 11:34:28 2023
    "Much of the speculation that has persisted in one form or another
    since November 22-24 came from people who usually spoke in good faith.
    Some of the errors have resulted simply from a lack of complete
    knowledge at the time of the event. In this category are the
    statements attributed to doctors at Parkland Memorial Hospital who
    attended the dying President and described his wounds to the press
    afterward. It remained for the autopsy in Washington, completed early
    the next morning, to ascertain the full facts concerning the wounds.
    The correction of earlier assertions of fact on the basis of later and
    fuller analysis or investigation is a normal part of the process of accumulation of evidence. But it is not often that the process is
    conducted in such an intense glare of worldwide publicity, and later corrections have difficulty overtaking the original sensational
    reports." - Warren Commission Report, pg 638.

    But there are only two wounds involved here... one, an
    Occipital-Parietal wound - which *BOTH* Parkland and Bethesda (as well
    as the Autopsy Report) stated existed. So no "correction of earlier
    assertions of fact" were made on this wound...

    The only wound under dispute was the throat wound - WHICH THE AUTOPSY
    NEVER EXAMINED - AND CLAIMED NOT TO EVEN *KNOW* ABOUT.

    So the contention of the Warren Commission that "correction of earlier assertions of fact" on the basis of an Autopsy that DID NOT EVEN
    *KNOW* ABOUT THE DISPUTED "FACTS" - is an absolute and complete lie on
    their part.

    And all Corbutt can do is cry... and Huckster will, as usual, run
    away.

    The cowardice of believers is well founded and proven.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to Admin@ConspiracyJFKForum.com on Fri Sep 29 07:50:31 2023
    On Thu, 28 Sep 2023 11:34:28 -0700, Ben Holmes
    <Admin@ConspiracyJFKForum.com> wrote:

    "Much of the speculation that has persisted in one form or another
    since November 22-24 came from people who usually spoke in good faith.
    Some of the errors have resulted simply from a lack of complete
    knowledge at the time of the event. In this category are the
    statements attributed to doctors at Parkland Memorial Hospital who
    attended the dying President and described his wounds to the press
    afterward. It remained for the autopsy in Washington, completed early
    the next morning, to ascertain the full facts concerning the wounds.
    The correction of earlier assertions of fact on the basis of later and
    fuller analysis or investigation is a normal part of the process of >accumulation of evidence. But it is not often that the process is
    conducted in such an intense glare of worldwide publicity, and later >corrections have difficulty overtaking the original sensational
    reports." - Warren Commission Report, pg 638.

    But there are only two wounds involved here... one, an
    Occipital-Parietal wound - which *BOTH* Parkland and Bethesda (as well
    as the Autopsy Report) stated existed. So no "correction of earlier >assertions of fact" were made on this wound...

    The only wound under dispute was the throat wound - WHICH THE AUTOPSY
    NEVER EXAMINED - AND CLAIMED NOT TO EVEN *KNOW* ABOUT.

    So the contention of the Warren Commission that "correction of earlier >assertions of fact" on the basis of an Autopsy that DID NOT EVEN
    *KNOW* ABOUT THE DISPUTED "FACTS" - is an absolute and complete lie on
    their part.

    And all Corbutt can do is cry... and Huckster will, as usual, run
    away.

    The cowardice of believers is well founded and proven.

    As usual, every believer in this forum simply ran away.

    Huckster, Corbutt, Chickenshit, Chuckles, Steven, and others simply
    cannot admit that the WCR lied.

    Provably.

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  • From Chuck Schuyler@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Fri Sep 29 21:45:53 2023
    On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 1:34:36 PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    "Much of the speculation that has persisted in one form or another
    since November 22-24 came from people who usually spoke in good faith.
    Some of the errors have resulted simply from a lack of complete
    knowledge at the time of the event. In this category are the
    statements attributed to doctors at Parkland Memorial Hospital who
    attended the dying President and described his wounds to the press afterward. It remained for the autopsy in Washington, completed early
    the next morning, to ascertain the full facts concerning the wounds.
    The correction of earlier assertions of fact on the basis of later and fuller analysis or investigation is a normal part of the process of accumulation of evidence. But it is not often that the process is
    conducted in such an intense glare of worldwide publicity, and later corrections have difficulty overtaking the original sensational
    reports." - Warren Commission Report, pg 638.

    But there are only two wounds involved here... one, an
    Occipital-Parietal wound - which *BOTH* Parkland and Bethesda (as well
    as the Autopsy Report) stated existed. So no "correction of earlier assertions of fact" were made on this wound...

    The only wound under dispute was the throat wound - WHICH THE AUTOPSY
    NEVER EXAMINED - AND CLAIMED NOT TO EVEN *KNOW* ABOUT.


    They never examined the throat wound?

    https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/warren-commission-report/appendix-09.pdf

    So the contention of the Warren Commission that "correction of earlier assertions of fact" on the basis of an Autopsy that DID NOT EVEN
    *KNOW* ABOUT THE DISPUTED "FACTS" - is an absolute and complete lie on
    their part.

    And all Corbutt can do is cry... and Huckster will, as usual, run
    away.

    The cowardice of believers is well founded and proven.

    The well-worn story about the throat wound and the call to Dallas the next morning is well known and has been discussed and explained, but never to conspiracy hobbyist Ben's satisfaction.


    https://www.nytimes.com/1992/05/20/us/doctors-affirm-kennedy-autopsy-report.html

    From the article:

    Dr. Humes said, "We found a gaping wound in the front of the neck where the tracheostomy had been performed, and if Dr. Crenshaw was correct, the only possible explanation is that the neck wound was intentionally enlarged while the body was en route from
    Dallas, and the insinuation of this scenario does not deserve a response."

    Dr. Humes said confusion about the exit wound would have been avoided had he and his colleague telephoned the Dallas doctors immediately, rather than on the morning after the autopsy, as they did. "If we made a mistake, it was in not calling Dallas
    before we started the autopsy," he said. "Our information from Parkland Hospital in Dallas before we started the autopsy was zero."

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  • From Gil Jesus@21:1/5 to Chuck Schuyler on Sat Sep 30 01:52:01 2023
    On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 12:45:54 AM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    Dr. Humes said confusion about the exit wound would have been avoided had he and his colleague telephoned the Dallas doctors immediately, rather than on the morning after the autopsy, as they did.

    Humes lied.
    He spent most of the night on the phone with Dr. Perry.

    Parkland nurse Audrey Bell said that Dr. Perry told her on Saturday morning that he had been up most of the night with “Bethesda” arguing whether or not the wound in the throat was an entry wound.
    https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/audrey-bell-arrb-3_20_97.mp4 Nurse Bell’s revelation indicates that Dr. Humes not only spoke to Dr. Perry on Friday night, he was well aware of Perry's observation of an entrance wound in the throat.

    In addition, Dr. Humes’ own notes indicate that he had Dr. Perry’s home phone number, a number he would not have needed if he contacted Perry at the hospital on Saturday morning.
    https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/17-H-29-humes-notes-perry-number.jpg
    So if the only times Dr. Humes spoke to Perry was twice on Saturday morning, and that was at Bethesda, why did he have Dr. Perry’s home phone number ?
    Because he called him at home on Friday night. That means Humes knew about Perry seeing a wound of entry in the throat on Friday.

    Common sense tells you that a tracheostomy made for seemimgly no reason would tend to make the prosectors call Dallas to find out why the incision was made.
    The official story says it didn’t. I believe this evidence says it did.

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  • From Bud@21:1/5 to Gil Jesus on Sat Sep 30 06:12:00 2023
    On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 4:52:04 AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 12:45:54 AM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    Dr. Humes said confusion about the exit wound would have been avoided had he and his colleague telephoned the Dallas doctors immediately, rather than on the morning after the autopsy, as they did.
    Humes lied.
    He spent most of the night on the phone with Dr. Perry.

    Parkland nurse Audrey Bell said that Dr. Perry told her on Saturday morning that he had been up most of the night with “Bethesda” arguing whether or not the wound in the throat was an entry wound.

    Was Audrey Bell there?

    https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/audrey-bell-arrb-3_20_97.mp4
    Nurse Bell’s revelation indicates that Dr. Humes not only spoke to Dr. Perry on Friday night, he was well aware of Perry's observation of an entrance wound in the throat.

    In addition, Dr. Humes’ own notes indicate that he had Dr. Perry’s home phone number, a number he would not have needed if he contacted Perry at the hospital on Saturday morning.

    Having the number doesn`t establish when the calls were made.

    https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/17-H-29-humes-notes-perry-number.jpg
    So if the only times Dr. Humes spoke to Perry was twice on Saturday morning, and that was at Bethesda, why did he have Dr. Perry’s home phone number ?

    When did Humes write down the number?

    Because he called him at home on Friday night. That means Humes knew about Perry seeing a wound of entry in the throat on Friday.

    Common sense tells you that a tracheostomy made for seemimgly no reason would tend to make the prosectors call Dallas to find out why the incision was made.
    The official story says it didn’t. I believe this evidence says it did.

    Well, you`re an idiot, so there is that. You`d call a hundred people liars rather than accept Oswald`s guilt. You`d entertain hundreds of fantastic things rather than accept Oswald`s guilt.

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  • From John Corbett@21:1/5 to Gil Jesus on Sat Sep 30 06:17:19 2023
    On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 4:52:04 AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 12:45:54 AM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    Dr. Humes said confusion about the exit wound would have been avoided had he and his colleague telephoned the Dallas doctors immediately, rather than on the morning after the autopsy, as they did.
    Humes lied.
    He spent most of the night on the phone with Dr. Perry.

    Most of the night would make it Saturday morning if any of the conversations took place
    after midnight. It sounds like there were multiple conversations between the two post autopsy
    which would make sense. Humes talked to Perry before reaching the conclusion that the bullet
    that entered JFK's back exited from his throat. What the hell difference does it make what time
    those conversations took place.


    Parkland nurse Audrey Bell said that Dr. Perry told her on Saturday morning that he had been up most of the night with “Bethesda” arguing whether or not the wound in the throat was an entry wound.
    https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/audrey-bell-arrb-3_20_97.mp4
    Nurse Bell’s revelation indicates that Dr. Humes not only spoke to Dr. Perry on Friday night, he was well aware of Perry's observation of an entrance wound in the throat.

    In addition, Dr. Humes’ own notes indicate that he had Dr. Perry’s home phone number, a number he would not have needed if he contacted Perry at the hospital on Saturday morning.
    https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/17-H-29-humes-notes-perry-number.jpg
    So if the only times Dr. Humes spoke to Perry was twice on Saturday morning, and that was at Bethesda, why did he have Dr. Perry’s home phone number ?
    Because he called him at home on Friday night. That means Humes knew about Perry seeing a wound of entry in the throat on Friday.

    Common sense tells you that a tracheostomy made for seemimgly no reason would tend to make the prosectors call Dallas to find out why the incision was made.
    The official story says it didn’t. I believe this evidence says it did.

    What you believe is not evidence. It is your opinion.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 2 08:02:12 2023
    On Sat, 30 Sep 2023 06:12:00 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirslick@fast.net>
    wrote:


    So, according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval" shape that was
    "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

    Chickenshit is TERRIFIED of this simple honest question. He knows
    that Bugliosi was a moron if he truly thought this... yet you can't
    get Chickenshit to publicly acknowledge that Bugliosi said this.

    It's a simple "Yes" or "No" question, and Chickenshit cannot cite
    where he has EVER answered it. (Without immediately denying it.)

    So it's going to keep getting asked until Chickenshit answers it.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to chuckschuyler123@gmail.com on Mon Oct 2 08:02:12 2023
    On Fri, 29 Sep 2023 21:45:53 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler <chuckschuyler123@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 1:34:36?PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    "Much of the speculation that has persisted in one form or another
    since November 22-24 came from people who usually spoke in good faith.
    Some of the errors have resulted simply from a lack of complete
    knowledge at the time of the event. In this category are the
    statements attributed to doctors at Parkland Memorial Hospital who
    attended the dying President and described his wounds to the press
    afterward. It remained for the autopsy in Washington, completed early
    the next morning, to ascertain the full facts concerning the wounds.
    The correction of earlier assertions of fact on the basis of later and
    fuller analysis or investigation is a normal part of the process of
    accumulation of evidence. But it is not often that the process is
    conducted in such an intense glare of worldwide publicity, and later
    corrections have difficulty overtaking the original sensational
    reports." - Warren Commission Report, pg 638.

    But there are only two wounds involved here... one, an
    Occipital-Parietal wound - which *BOTH* Parkland and Bethesda (as well
    as the Autopsy Report) stated existed. So no "correction of earlier
    assertions of fact" were made on this wound...

    The only wound under dispute was the throat wound - WHICH THE AUTOPSY
    NEVER EXAMINED - AND CLAIMED NOT TO EVEN *KNOW* ABOUT.

    They never examined the throat wound?


    Nope. Looking at it, and dissecting the wound are two different
    things.


    https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/warren-commission-report/appendix-09.pdf


    Why are you citing what you don't believe?

    Why are you citing proof that the throat wound was never dissected?


    So the contention of the Warren Commission that "correction of earlier
    assertions of fact" on the basis of an Autopsy that DID NOT EVEN
    *KNOW* ABOUT THE DISPUTED "FACTS" - is an absolute and complete lie on
    their part.

    And all Corbutt can do is cry... and Huckster will, as usual, run
    away.

    The cowardice of believers is well founded and proven.

    The well-worn story...


    Sorry stupid, that wasn't in this post. It's not the topic.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to geowright1963@gmail.com on Mon Oct 2 08:02:12 2023
    On Sat, 30 Sep 2023 06:17:19 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett <geowright1963@gmail.com> wrote:

    Most of the night would make it Saturday morning if any of the conversations took place
    after midnight. It sounds like there were multiple conversations between the two post autopsy
    which would make sense. Humes talked to Perry before reaching the conclusion that the bullet
    that entered JFK's back exited from his throat. What the hell difference does it make what time
    those conversations took place.

    You've COMPLETELY evaded the point of the thread - pointing out where
    the WCR simply (and blatantly) lied.

    You can't deal with that - so you do what believers always do - you
    shift the topic.

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