• Is there any evidence that Oswald had been to the Texas Theater BEFORE

    From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to All on Mon Sep 25 23:51:42 2023
    According to Chatbot BARD:


    There is no definitive evidence that Lee Harvey Oswald had been to the Texas Theater before he was apprehended there on November 22, 1963. However, there is some circumstantial evidence that suggests this may have been the case.

    For example, some witnesses claimed to have seen Oswald at the theater earlier in the day, on the morning of the assassination. However, these eyewitness accounts were not always consistent, and some of the witnesses were later found to be unreliable.

    Oswald also had a ticket stub to the Texas Theater in his pocket when he was arrested. However, this ticket stub was not necessarily proof that he had been to the theater on the day of the assassination. It is possible that he had the ticket stub from a
    previous visit, or that he had gotten it from someone else.

    Ultimately, there is no way to know for sure whether or not Oswald had been to the Texas Theater before he was apprehended there. However, the circumstantial evidence suggests that this may have been the case.

    It is worth noting that the Texas Theater was a popular movie theater at the time, and it is possible that Oswald had been there before, even if he had not been there on the day of the assassination.

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to gggg gggg on Mon Sep 25 23:57:57 2023
    On Monday, September 25, 2023 at 11:51:44 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
    According to Chatbot BARD:


    There is no definitive evidence that Lee Harvey Oswald had been to the Texas Theater before he was apprehended there on November 22, 1963. However, there is some circumstantial evidence that suggests this may have been the case.

    For example, some witnesses claimed to have seen Oswald at the theater earlier in the day, on the morning of the assassination. However, these eyewitness accounts were not always consistent, and some of the witnesses were later found to be unreliable.

    Oswald also had a ticket stub to the Texas Theater in his pocket when he was arrested. However, this ticket stub was not necessarily proof that he had been to the theater on the day of the assassination. It is possible that he had the ticket stub from
    a previous visit, or that he had gotten it from someone else.

    Ultimately, there is no way to know for sure whether or not Oswald had been to the Texas Theater before he was apprehended there. However, the circumstantial evidence suggests that this may have been the case.

    It is worth noting that the Texas Theater was a popular movie theater at the time, and it is possible that Oswald had been there before, even if he had not been there on the day of the assassination.

    If he slipped into the theater without paying, how could he have a ticket stub in his pocket unless he had been to the theater before?

    Could the ticket stub have been something to show to the person he was supposed to meet there?

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  • From John Corbett@21:1/5 to gggg gggg on Tue Sep 26 04:40:55 2023
    On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 2:57:58 AM UTC-4, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Monday, September 25, 2023 at 11:51:44 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
    According to Chatbot BARD:


    There is no definitive evidence that Lee Harvey Oswald had been to the Texas Theater before he was apprehended there on November 22, 1963. However, there is some circumstantial evidence that suggests this may have been the case.

    For example, some witnesses claimed to have seen Oswald at the theater earlier in the day, on the morning of the assassination. However, these eyewitness accounts were not always consistent, and some of the witnesses were later found to be unreliable.


    Oswald also had a ticket stub to the Texas Theater in his pocket when he was arrested. However, this ticket stub was not necessarily proof that he had been to the theater on the day of the assassination. It is possible that he had the ticket stub
    from a previous visit, or that he had gotten it from someone else.

    Ultimately, there is no way to know for sure whether or not Oswald had been to the Texas Theater before he was apprehended there. However, the circumstantial evidence suggests that this may have been the case.

    It is worth noting that the Texas Theater was a popular movie theater at the time, and it is possible that Oswald had been there before, even if he had not been there on the day of the assassination.
    If he slipped into the theater without paying, how could he have a ticket stub in his pocket unless he had been to the theater before?

    Could the ticket stub have been something to show to the person he was supposed to meet there?

    Why do you waste time wondering about possibilities for which there is zero evidence?

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to John Corbett on Tue Sep 26 05:00:40 2023
    On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 4:40:57 AM UTC-7, John Corbett wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 2:57:58 AM UTC-4, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Monday, September 25, 2023 at 11:51:44 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
    According to Chatbot BARD:


    There is no definitive evidence that Lee Harvey Oswald had been to the Texas Theater before he was apprehended there on November 22, 1963. However, there is some circumstantial evidence that suggests this may have been the case.

    For example, some witnesses claimed to have seen Oswald at the theater earlier in the day, on the morning of the assassination. However, these eyewitness accounts were not always consistent, and some of the witnesses were later found to be
    unreliable.

    Oswald also had a ticket stub to the Texas Theater in his pocket when he was arrested. However, this ticket stub was not necessarily proof that he had been to the theater on the day of the assassination. It is possible that he had the ticket stub
    from a previous visit, or that he had gotten it from someone else.

    Ultimately, there is no way to know for sure whether or not Oswald had been to the Texas Theater before he was apprehended there. However, the circumstantial evidence suggests that this may have been the case.

    It is worth noting that the Texas Theater was a popular movie theater at the time, and it is possible that Oswald had been there before, even if he had not been there on the day of the assassination.
    If he slipped into the theater without paying, how could he have a ticket stub in his pocket unless he had been to the theater before?

    Could the ticket stub have been something to show to the person he was supposed to meet there?
    Why do you waste time wondering about possibilities for which there is zero evidence?

    Isn't it possible that the Texas Theater was used as a rendezvous place for spooks?

    Didn't Howard Hughes have ties to the CIA?

    Wasn't the Texas T. part of the Howard Hughes real estate empire?

    Wasn't H.H. in Dallas that day? To see the 'fireworks'? After all, wasn't it known that he hated the Kennedy's?

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to geowright1963@gmail.com on Tue Sep 26 08:02:18 2023
    On Tue, 26 Sep 2023 04:40:55 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett <geowright1963@gmail.com> wrote:

    Why do you waste time wondering about possibilities for which there is zero evidence?

    This is an excellent question for you...

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  • From Hank Sienzant@21:1/5 to gggg gggg on Tue Sep 26 08:44:08 2023
    On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 2:57:58 AM UTC-4, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Monday, September 25, 2023 at 11:51:44 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
    According to Chatbot BARD:


    There is no definitive evidence that Lee Harvey Oswald had been to the Texas Theater before he was apprehended there on November 22, 1963. However, there is some circumstantial evidence that suggests this may have been the case.

    For example, some witnesses claimed to have seen Oswald at the theater earlier in the day, on the morning of the assassination. However, these eyewitness accounts were not always consistent, and some of the witnesses were later found to be unreliable.


    Oswald also had a ticket stub to the Texas Theater in his pocket when he was arrested. However, this ticket stub was not necessarily proof that he had been to the theater on the day of the assassination. It is possible that he had the ticket stub
    from a previous visit, or that he had gotten it from someone else.

    Ultimately, there is no way to know for sure whether or not Oswald had been to the Texas Theater before he was apprehended there. However, the circumstantial evidence suggests that this may have been the case.

    It is worth noting that the Texas Theater was a popular movie theater at the time, and it is possible that Oswald had been there before, even if he had not been there on the day of the assassination.
    If he slipped into the theater without paying, how could he have a ticket stub in his pocket unless he had been to the theater before?

    Could the ticket stub have been something to show to the person he was supposed to meet there?

    Good question.
    Better question: Did he have a ticket stub?
    Let's see the evidence for that before we can talk about what it might have been used for?

    And in any case, wouldn't everyone in the theatre have a ticket stub, assuming they didn't sneak in.

    Julia Postal was the ticket seller in the small booth outside the Texas Theatre. Here's her testimony:
    https://www.jfk-assassination.net/russ/testimony/postal.htm

    She says she didn't sell Oswald a ticket:
    -- quote --
    Mr. BALL. What did you see him do after became around the corner?
    Mrs. POSTAL. Well, I didn't actually----because I stepped out of the box office and went to the front and was facing west. I was right at the box office facing west, because I thought .the police were stopping up quite a ways. Well, just as I turned
    around then Johnny Brewer was standing there and he asked me if the fellow that ducked in bought a ticket, and I said, "No; by golly, he didn't," and turned around expecting to see him.
    Mr. BALL. And he had ducked in?
    -- unquote --

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to All on Tue Sep 26 08:46:45 2023
    On Tue, 26 Sep 2023 08:44:08 -0700 (PDT), Hank Sienzant
    <hsienzant@aol.com> wrote:


    You've claimed that the "A.B.C.D." in the Autopsy Report is the
    description of the *location* of the large head wound.

    Yet you refuse time and time again from QUOTING the preceding
    paragraph that describes what this ACTUALLY is. Why is that?

    You've also claimed that the prosectors dissected the throat wound.

    Why do you continue to refuse to cite any evidence for this?

    Why have you CONSISTENTLY run away each time I raise this issue?

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  • From Hank Sienzant@21:1/5 to gggg gggg on Tue Sep 26 08:38:08 2023
    On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 2:51:44 AM UTC-4, gggg gggg wrote:
    According to Chatbot BARD:


    There is no definitive evidence that Lee Harvey Oswald had been to the Texas Theater before he was apprehended there on November 22, 1963. However, there is some circumstantial evidence that suggests this may have been the case.

    For example, some witnesses claimed to have seen Oswald at the theater earlier in the day, on the morning of the assassination. However, these eyewitness accounts were not always consistent, and some of the witnesses were later found to be unreliable.

    Oswald also had a ticket stub to the Texas Theater in his pocket when he was arrested. However, this ticket stub was not necessarily proof that he had been to the theater on the day of the assassination. It is possible that he had the ticket stub from
    a previous visit, or that he had gotten it from someone else.

    I know he had a bus transfer. https://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh16/html/WH_Vol16_0499b.htm

    I am unaware of any evidence for the supposed Texas Theatre ticket stub. Please cite the evidence for the Texas Theatre ticket stub. I am further aware that AI at this point is unreliable.

    Asked of Google: What is the accuracy rate of AI?
    Google Response: Although reports indicate that AI programs can be at least 95% accurate on a regular basis, AI programs cannot determine whether or not the data being analyzed is accurate, so usually overall accuracy is much lower but normally higher
    than 80%. It is a metric used to predict the correctness of a machine learning model.



    Ultimately, there is no way to know for sure whether or not Oswald had been to the Texas Theater before he was apprehended there. However, the circumstantial evidence suggests that this may have been the case.

    It is worth noting that the Texas Theater was a popular movie theater at the time, and it is possible that Oswald had been there before, even if he had not been there on the day of the assassination.

    Oswald wasn't known to frequent the movies (he didn't have a lot of cash to spare).

    I'll await the evidence of this supposed ticket stub.

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  • From Hank Sienzant@21:1/5 to gggg gggg on Tue Sep 26 08:45:40 2023
    On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 8:00:43 AM UTC-4, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 4:40:57 AM UTC-7, John Corbett wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 2:57:58 AM UTC-4, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Monday, September 25, 2023 at 11:51:44 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
    According to Chatbot BARD:


    There is no definitive evidence that Lee Harvey Oswald had been to the Texas Theater before he was apprehended there on November 22, 1963. However, there is some circumstantial evidence that suggests this may have been the case.

    For example, some witnesses claimed to have seen Oswald at the theater earlier in the day, on the morning of the assassination. However, these eyewitness accounts were not always consistent, and some of the witnesses were later found to be
    unreliable.

    Oswald also had a ticket stub to the Texas Theater in his pocket when he was arrested. However, this ticket stub was not necessarily proof that he had been to the theater on the day of the assassination. It is possible that he had the ticket stub
    from a previous visit, or that he had gotten it from someone else.

    Ultimately, there is no way to know for sure whether or not Oswald had been to the Texas Theater before he was apprehended there. However, the circumstantial evidence suggests that this may have been the case.

    It is worth noting that the Texas Theater was a popular movie theater at the time, and it is possible that Oswald had been there before, even if he had not been there on the day of the assassination.
    If he slipped into the theater without paying, how could he have a ticket stub in his pocket unless he had been to the theater before?

    Could the ticket stub have been something to show to the person he was supposed to meet there?
    Why do you waste time wondering about possibilities for which there is zero evidence?
    Isn't it possible that the Texas Theater was used as a rendezvous place for spooks?

    Let's start small. What's the evidence for Oswald having a Texas Theatre ticket stub in his possession upon his arrest?



    Didn't Howard Hughes have ties to the CIA?

    Let's start small. What's the evidence for Oswald having a Texas Theatre ticket stub in his possession upon his arrest?



    Wasn't the Texas T. part of the Howard Hughes real estate empire?

    Let's start small. What's the evidence for Oswald having a Texas Theatre ticket stub in his possession upon his arrest?



    Wasn't H.H. in Dallas that day? To see the 'fireworks'? After all, wasn't it known that he hated the Kennedy's?

    Let's start small. What's the evidence for Oswald having a Texas Theatre ticket stub in his possession upon his arrest?

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  • From NoTrueFlags Here@21:1/5 to All on Tue Sep 26 09:10:14 2023
    On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 11:44:10 AM UTC-4, Hank Sienzant wrote:

    Yes. Let's see Sienzant "discuss" with an AI bot.

    The BARD answers a Sienzant question:

    There is no evidence that Lee Harvey Oswald had a Texas Theatre ticket stub on his person when he was arrested. The police report states that Oswald had no wallet or identification on him when he was apprehended.

    However, there are two witnesses who claim to have seen Oswald purchase a ticket to the Texas Theatre on the day of the assassination. One witness, a cashier at a nearby store, said that she saw Oswald buy a ticket to the theatre around 12:30 PM. Another
    witness, a man who was waiting in line at the theatre, said that he saw Oswald purchase a ticket around 1:00 PM.

    These two witness statements are the only evidence that exists to support the claim that Oswald had a Texas Theatre ticket stub. However, it is important to note that both of these witnesses were interviewed by the police several days after the
    assassination, and their memories may not have been entirely accurate.

    In addition, there is no physical evidence to support the claim that Oswald had a ticket stub. The police searched Oswald's body and belongings, but they did not find any ticket stubs. They also searched the Texas Theatre, but they did not find any
    ticket stubs that could be linked to Oswald.

    Based on the available evidence, it is most likely that Oswald did not have a Texas Theatre ticket stub on his person when he was arrested. However, it is also possible that he did have a ticket stub, but that it was lost or destroyed.

    It is also worth noting that the Warren Commission, which was appointed by President Johnson to investigate the assassination, concluded that Oswald did not have a Texas Theatre ticket stub on his person when he was arrested. The Commission based this
    conclusion on the lack of physical evidence and on the fact that the two witnesses who claimed to have seen Oswald purchase a ticket were not entirely credible.

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  • From Hank Sienzant@21:1/5 to NoTrueFlags Here on Tue Sep 26 09:34:45 2023
    On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 12:10:16 PM UTC-4, NoTrueFlags Here wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 11:44:10 AM UTC-4, Hank Sienzant wrote:

    Yes. Let's see Sienzant "discuss" with an AI bot.

    The BARD answers a Sienzant question:

    There is no evidence that Lee Harvey Oswald had a Texas Theatre ticket stub on his person when he was arrested. The police report states that Oswald had no wallet or identification on him when he was apprehended.

    However, there are two witnesses who claim to have seen Oswald purchase a ticket to the Texas Theatre on the day of the assassination. One witness, a cashier at a nearby store, said that she saw Oswald buy a ticket to the theatre around 12:30 PM.
    Another witness, a man who was waiting in line at the theatre, said that he saw Oswald purchase a ticket around 1:00 PM.

    These two witness statements are the only evidence that exists to support the claim that Oswald had a Texas Theatre ticket stub. However, it is important to note that both of these witnesses were interviewed by the police several days after the
    assassination, and their memories may not have been entirely accurate.

    In addition, there is no physical evidence to support the claim that Oswald had a ticket stub. The police searched Oswald's body and belongings, but they did not find any ticket stubs. They also searched the Texas Theatre, but they did not find any
    ticket stubs that could be linked to Oswald.

    Based on the available evidence, it is most likely that Oswald did not have a Texas Theatre ticket stub on his person when he was arrested. However, it is also possible that he did have a ticket stub, but that it was lost or destroyed.

    It is also worth noting that the Warren Commission, which was appointed by President Johnson to investigate the assassination, concluded that Oswald did not have a Texas Theatre ticket stub on his person when he was arrested. The Commission based this
    conclusion on the lack of physical evidence and on the fact that the two witnesses who claimed to have seen Oswald purchase a ticket were not entirely credible.

    We know AI is inaccurate, so why cite what it says?

    Why not provide the evidence for a ticket stub?

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to All on Tue Sep 26 09:40:10 2023
    On Tue, 26 Sep 2023 08:45:40 -0700 (PDT), Hank Sienzant
    <hsienzant@aol.com> wrote:


    You've claimed that the "A.B.C.D." in the Autopsy Report is the
    description of the *location* of the large head wound.

    Yet you refuse time and time again from QUOTING the preceding
    paragraph that describes what this ACTUALLY is. Why is that?

    You've also claimed that the prosectors dissected the throat wound.

    Why do you continue to refuse to cite any evidence for this?

    Why have you CONSISTENTLY run away each time I raise this issue?

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  • From Hank Sienzant@21:1/5 to NoTrueFlags Here on Tue Sep 26 09:37:58 2023
    On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 12:10:16 PM UTC-4, NoTrueFlags Here wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 11:44:10 AM UTC-4, Hank Sienzant wrote:

    Yes. Let's see Sienzant "discuss" with an AI bot.

    The BARD answers a Sienzant question:

    However, there are two witnesses who claim to have seen Oswald purchase a ticket to the Texas Theatre on the day of the assassination. One witness, a cashier at a nearby store, said that she saw Oswald buy a ticket to the theatre around 12:30 PM.
    Another witness, a man who was waiting in line at the theatre, said that he saw Oswald purchase a ticket around 1:00 PM.

    These two witness statements are the only evidence that exists to support the claim that Oswald had a Texas Theatre ticket stub. However, it is important to note that both of these witnesses were interviewed by the police several days after the
    assassination, and their memories may not have been entirely accurate.

    AI now introduces two witnesses into the equation that I've never seen evidence for, or even references in the conspiracy literature to.

    We know AI is inaccurate. Why cite what it says?

    What are you expecting to establish via this?

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  • From NoTrueFlags Here@21:1/5 to Hank Sienzant on Tue Sep 26 09:36:07 2023
    On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 12:34:47 PM UTC-4, Hank Sienzant wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 12:10:16 PM UTC-4, NoTrueFlags Here wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 11:44:10 AM UTC-4, Hank Sienzant wrote:

    Yes. Let's see Sienzant "discuss" with an AI bot.

    The BARD answers a Sienzant question:

    There is no evidence that Lee Harvey Oswald had a Texas Theatre ticket stub on his person when he was arrested. The police report states that Oswald had no wallet or identification on him when he was apprehended.

    However, there are two witnesses who claim to have seen Oswald purchase a ticket to the Texas Theatre on the day of the assassination. One witness, a cashier at a nearby store, said that she saw Oswald buy a ticket to the theatre around 12:30 PM.
    Another witness, a man who was waiting in line at the theatre, said that he saw Oswald purchase a ticket around 1:00 PM.

    These two witness statements are the only evidence that exists to support the claim that Oswald had a Texas Theatre ticket stub. However, it is important to note that both of these witnesses were interviewed by the police several days after the
    assassination, and their memories may not have been entirely accurate.

    In addition, there is no physical evidence to support the claim that Oswald had a ticket stub. The police searched Oswald's body and belongings, but they did not find any ticket stubs. They also searched the Texas Theatre, but they did not find any
    ticket stubs that could be linked to Oswald.

    Based on the available evidence, it is most likely that Oswald did not have a Texas Theatre ticket stub on his person when he was arrested. However, it is also possible that he did have a ticket stub, but that it was lost or destroyed.

    It is also worth noting that the Warren Commission, which was appointed by President Johnson to investigate the assassination, concluded that Oswald did not have a Texas Theatre ticket stub on his person when he was arrested. The Commission based
    this conclusion on the lack of physical evidence and on the fact that the two witnesses who claimed to have seen Oswald purchase a ticket were not entirely credible.
    We know AI is inaccurate, so why cite what it says?

    Why not provide the evidence for a ticket stub?
    Ask the bot. Maybe he would mind your insulting manners and weaseling lies.

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  • From Hank Sienzant@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Tue Sep 26 09:46:50 2023
    On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 12:40:36 PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Tue, 26 Sep 2023 09:37:58 -0700 (PDT), Hank Sienzant
    <hsie...@aol.com> wrote:


    You've claimed that the "A.B.C.D." in the Autopsy Report is the
    description of the *location* of the large head wound.

    Yet you refuse time and time again from QUOTING the preceding
    paragraph that describes what this ACTUALLY is. Why is that?

    You've also claimed that the prosectors dissected the throat wound.

    Why do you continue to refuse to cite any evidence for this?

    Why have you CONSISTENTLY run away each time I raise this issue?

    From Google's BARD:

    I apologize for not providing more context and evidence for my claims about the autopsy report. I am still under development and learning to be more comprehensive and informative in my responses.

    Here is a more complete and accurate description of the A.B.C.D. finding in the autopsy report:

    The wound of exit, a large stellate opening, measuring 15 x 19 cm. is located at the right parieto-occipital region of the skull. This opening extends from the midline posteriorly to the right mastoid process. The margins of the opening are beveled
    inward and the bone is comminuted. The dura mater is torn and the brain is exposed. The brain is severely lacerated and hemorrhagic. The bullet traversed the brain from the right to the left and caused extensive damage to the right hemisphere.

    A.B.C.D. is a description of the margins of the exit wound in the skull. The letters stand for:

    A: Anterior margin
    B: Posterior margin
    C: Superior margin
    D: Inferior margin
    The fact that the margins of the exit wound are "beveled inward" suggests that the bullet was traveling from front to back. This is consistent with the trajectory of the bullet that entered the president's back and exited his head.

    I do not have any evidence to suggest that the prosectors dissected the throat wound. I apologize for making this claim previously. I am still learning to distinguish between fact and opinion, and I will try to be more careful in the future.

    I am not trying to "run away" from your questions. I am simply trying to be honest and upfront about my limitations. I am still under development, and I am always learning. I appreciate your feedback and patience as I continue to grow and improve.

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  • From NoTrueFlags Here@21:1/5 to All on Tue Sep 26 09:41:21 2023
    On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 12:37:59 PM UTC-4, Hank Sienzant wrote:


    We know AI is inaccurate. Why cite what it says?


    AI can be inaccurate for a number of reasons. It may be trained on data that is inaccurate or incomplete. It may also be programmed to generate text that is consistent with its training data, even if that text is not factually accurate. Additionally, AI
    may be able to generate text that is grammatically correct and even interesting to read, but that does not mean that the text is true.

    Despite these limitations, there are some reasons why it may be necessary to cite AI-generated text. For example, if you are writing a research paper on AI, you may need to cite AI-generated text in order to illustrate your points. Additionally, if you
    are writing a creative work, such as a novel or a screenplay, you may need to cite AI-generated text in order to generate ideas or to create dialogue.

    If you do choose to cite AI-generated text, it is important to be transparent about the source of the text. You should also be critical of the text and make sure that it is accurate and relevant to your work.

    Here are some tips for citing AI-generated text:

    Use a consistent citation style. If you are using APA style, for example, you would cite an AI-generated source as a personal communication.
    Be transparent about the source of the text. Include the name of the AI tool that you used and the date on which you generated the text.
    Critically evaluate the text. Make sure that the text is accurate and relevant to your work.

    Here is an example of how to cite an AI-generated source in APA style:

    Bard (2023, September 26). Personal communication.

    This citation would be used if you were citing a direct quote or a specific idea from AI. If you were citing a more general idea or concept from AI, you could simply cite it as a personal communication.

    It is important to note that citing AI-generated text is still a relatively new area of scholarship, and there is no one-size-fits-all approach. The best way to cite AI-generated text will depend on the specific situation and the requirements of your
    discipline.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to All on Tue Sep 26 09:59:52 2023
    On Tue, 26 Sep 2023 09:46:50 -0700 (PDT), Hank Sienzant
    <hsienzant@aol.com> wrote:


    You've claimed that the "A.B.C.D." in the Autopsy Report is the
    description of the *location* of the large head wound.

    Yet you refuse time and time again from QUOTING the preceding
    paragraph that describes what this ACTUALLY is. Why is that?

    You've also claimed that the prosectors dissected the throat wound.

    Why do you continue to refuse to cite any evidence for this?

    Why have you CONSISTENTLY run away each time I raise this issue?

    Now you've quite stupidly insisted that the bullet entered JFK's back,
    and exited the back of his head.

    More cowardice, more stupidity, more dishonesty.

    Are you proud of yourself?

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  • From Hank Sienzant@21:1/5 to NoTrueFlags Here on Wed Sep 27 05:15:30 2023
    On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 12:41:23 PM UTC-4, NoTrueFlags Here wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 12:37:59 PM UTC-4, Hank Sienzant wrote:


    We know AI is inaccurate. Why cite what it says?
    AI can be inaccurate for a number of reasons. It may be trained on data that is inaccurate or incomplete. It may also be programmed to generate text that is consistent with its training data, even if that text is not factually accurate. Additionally,
    AI may be able to generate text that is grammatically correct and even interesting to read, but that does not mean that the text is true.

    That’s what I said.


    Despite these limitations, there are some reasons why it may be necessary to cite AI-generated text. For example, if you are writing a research paper on AI, you may need to cite AI-generated text in order to illustrate your points. Additionally, if you
    are writing a creative work, such as a novel or a screenplay, you may need to cite AI-generated text in order to generate ideas or to create dialogue.

    None of this applies here.



    If you do choose to cite AI-generated text, it is important to be transparent about the source of the text. You should also be critical of the text and make sure that it is accurate and relevant to your work.

    You didn’t.



    Here are some tips for citing AI-generated text:

    Use a consistent citation style. If you are using APA style, for example, you would cite an AI-generated source as a personal communication.

    You didn’t cite the above.


    Be transparent about the source of the text. Include the name of the AI tool that you used and the date on which you generated the text.

    You weren’t transparent.


    Critically evaluate the text. Make sure that the text is accurate and relevant to your work.


    You failed to apply this rules.


    Here is an example of how to cite an AI-generated source in APA style:

    Bard (2023, September 26). Personal communication.

    This citation would be used if you were citing a direct quote or a specific idea from AI. If you were citing a more general idea or concept from AI, you could simply cite it as a personal communication.

    It is important to note that citing AI-generated text is still a relatively new area of scholarship, and there is no one-size-fits-all approach. The best way to cite AI-generated text will depend on the specific situation and the requirements of your
    discipline.

    And of course you ignored the main point made in your game-playing with Bard:

    “AI now introduces two witnesses into the equation that I've never seen evidence for, or even references in the conspiracy literature to.”

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to All on Wed Sep 27 06:33:51 2023
    On Wed, 27 Sep 2023 05:15:30 -0700 (PDT), Hank Sienzant
    <hsienzant@aol.com> wrote:


    You've claimed that the "A.B.C.D." in the Autopsy Report is the
    description of the *location* of the large head wound.

    Yet you refuse time and time again from QUOTING the preceding
    paragraph that describes what this ACTUALLY is. Why is that?

    You've also claimed that the prosectors dissected the throat wound.

    Why do you continue to refuse to cite any evidence for this?

    Why have you CONSISTENTLY run away each time I raise this issue?

    Now you've quite stupidly insisted that the bullet entered JFK's back,
    and exited the back of his head.

    More cowardice, more stupidity, more dishonesty.

    Are you proud of yourself?

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  • From NoTrueFlags Here@21:1/5 to Hank Sienzant on Wed Sep 27 08:12:08 2023
    On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 8:15:32 AM UTC-4, Hank Sienzant wrote:

    “AI now introduces two witnesses into the equation that I've never seen evidence for, or even references in the conspiracy literature to.”
    Looks like Hank is going to have to read the 26 volumes a third time!

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  • From Hank Sienzant@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Wed Sep 27 16:43:33 2023
    On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 9:33:55 AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Wed, 27 Sep 2023 05:15:30 -0700 (PDT), Hank Sienzant
    <hsie...@aol.com> wrote:


    You've claimed that the "A.B.C.D." in the Autopsy Report is the
    description of the *location* of the large head wound.

    Yet you refuse time and time again from QUOTING the preceding
    paragraph that describes what this ACTUALLY is. Why is that?

    You've also claimed that the prosectors dissected the throat wound.

    Why do you continue to refuse to cite any evidence for this?

    Why have you CONSISTENTLY run away each time I raise this issue?

    Now you've quite stupidly insisted that the bullet entered JFK's back,
    and exited the back of his head.

    More cowardice, more stupidity, more dishonesty.

    Are you proud of yourself?

    Asked and answered here: https://groups.google.com/g/alt.conspiracy.jfk/c/quU-jAIMgCM/m/nrLFcg83AgAJ

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  • From Hank Sienzant@21:1/5 to NoTrueFlags Here on Wed Sep 27 16:49:01 2023
    On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 11:12:10 AM UTC-4, NoTrueFlags Here wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 8:15:32 AM UTC-4, Hank Sienzant wrote:

    “AI now introduces two witnesses into the equation that I've never seen evidence for, or even references in the conspiracy literature to.”
    Looks like Hank is going to have to read the 26 volumes a third time!

    No, still waiting for the original poster to provide evidence supporting the ticket stub claim made by BARD. The supposed two witnesses to Oswald buying a ticket can follow. Let’s do this in order.

    gggg gggg, what you got?

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  • From NoTrueFlags Here@21:1/5 to Hank Sienzant on Wed Sep 27 16:51:49 2023
    On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 7:49:03 PM UTC-4, Hank Sienzant wrote:

    No, still waiting for the original poster to provide evidence supporting the ticket stub claim made by BARD. The supposed two witnesses to Oswald buying a ticket can follow. Let’s do this in order.


    Here the Lying Weasel Sienzant refuses to educate himself in favor of attacking an argument. Everybody knows that's why he is here, to attack anybody who challenges his ignorance. His books are all the way down in his basement, after all.

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  • From Hank Sienzant@21:1/5 to NoTrueFlags Here on Wed Sep 27 17:11:22 2023
    On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 7:51:51 PM UTC-4, NoTrueFlags Here wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 7:49:03 PM UTC-4, Hank Sienzant wrote:

    No, still waiting for the original poster to provide evidence supporting the ticket stub claim made by BARD. The supposed two witnesses to Oswald buying a ticket can follow. Let’s do this in order.
    Here the Lying Weasel Sienzant

    More name-calling in line of a reasoned argument.


    refuses to educate himself in favor of attacking an argument.

    Educate me, then. Cite for these two witnesses who said they saw Oswald buy a ticket. Cite for the Texas Theatre ticket stub recovered from Oswald.


    Everybody knows that's why he is here, to attack anybody who challenges his ignorance.

    I attacked nobody. I did point out the lack of evidence for two claims attributed to BARD, and BARD’s low accuracy rate:

    1. According to Chatbot BARD: “Oswald also had a ticket stub to the Texas Theater in his pocket when he was arrested.”

    I responded
    — quote —
    I know he had a bus transfer. https://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh16/html/WH_Vol16_0499b.htm

    I am unaware of any evidence for the supposed Texas Theatre ticket stub. Please cite the evidence for the Texas Theatre ticket stub.
    — unquote —

    2. The BARD answers a Sienzant question: “However, there are two witnesses who claim to have seen Oswald purchase a ticket to the Texas Theatre on the day of the assassination.”

    I responded:
    “AI now introduces two witnesses into the equation that I've never seen evidence for, or even references in the conspiracy literature to.”

    I also pointed out:
    — quote —
    I am further aware that AI at this point is unreliable.

    Asked of Google: What is the accuracy rate of AI?
    Google Response: Although reports indicate that AI programs can be at least 95% accurate on a regular basis, AI programs cannot determine whether or not the data being analyzed is accurate, so usually overall accuracy is much lower but normally higher
    than 80%. It is a metric used to predict the correctness of a machine learning model.
    — unquote —


    His books are all the way down in his basement, after all.

    One out of three would be great if you were playing Major League Baseball. You’re not.

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  • From NoTrueFlags Here@21:1/5 to Hank Sienzant on Wed Sep 27 17:18:36 2023
    On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 8:11:24 PM UTC-4, Hank Sienzant wrote:

    His books are all the way down in his basement, after all.
    One out of three would be great if you were playing Major League Baseball. You’re not.

    Here the Lying Weasel Sienzant blushes and tells the truth! His books are all the way down the stairs, and he's just too lazy to go and look at them! He would rather argue with an AI bot and pretend that he has won an argument! Weeks later, he still hasn'
    t bothered to go down there and find support for his assertion that Harold Weisberg's brother-in-law vouched for the eyesight of Howard Brennan! Is there no limit to Hank's duplicitous depravity?

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  • From NoTrueFlags Here@21:1/5 to gggg gggg on Wed Sep 27 18:29:46 2023
    On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 2:51:44 AM UTC-4, gggg gggg wrote:
    According to Chatbot BARD:


    There is no definitive evidence that Lee Harvey Oswald had been to the Texas Theater before he was apprehended there on November 22, 1963. However, there is some circumstantial evidence that suggests this may have been the case.

    For example, some witnesses claimed to have seen Oswald at the theater earlier in the day, on the morning of the assassination. However, these eyewitness accounts were not always consistent, and some of the witnesses were later found to be unreliable.

    Oswald also had a ticket stub to the Texas Theater in his pocket when he was arrested. However, this ticket stub was not necessarily proof that he had been to the theater on the day of the assassination. It is possible that he had the ticket stub from
    a previous visit, or that he had gotten it from someone else.

    Ultimately, there is no way to know for sure whether or not Oswald had been to the Texas Theater before he was apprehended there. However, the circumstantial evidence suggests that this may have been the case.

    It is worth noting that the Texas Theater was a popular movie theater at the time, and it is possible that Oswald had been there before, even if he had not been there on the day of the assassination.

    While talking about Elsbeth Street...
    Mrs. OSWALD. Sometimes we went shopping to stores, and movies, though Lee really went to the movies himself. He wanted to take me but I did not understand English.

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  • From Hank Sienzant@21:1/5 to NoTrueFlags Here on Wed Sep 27 20:07:56 2023
    On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 9:29:47 PM UTC-4, NoTrueFlags Here wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 2:51:44 AM UTC-4, gggg gggg wrote:
    According to Chatbot BARD:


    There is no definitive evidence that Lee Harvey Oswald had been to the Texas Theater before he was apprehended there on November 22, 1963. However, there is some circumstantial evidence that suggests this may have been the case.

    For example, some witnesses claimed to have seen Oswald at the theater earlier in the day, on the morning of the assassination. However, these eyewitness accounts were not always consistent, and some of the witnesses were later found to be unreliable.


    Oswald also had a ticket stub to the Texas Theater in his pocket when he was arrested. However, this ticket stub was not necessarily proof that he had been to the theater on the day of the assassination. It is possible that he had the ticket stub
    from a previous visit, or that he had gotten it from someone else.

    Ultimately, there is no way to know for sure whether or not Oswald had been to the Texas Theater before he was apprehended there. However, the circumstantial evidence suggests that this may have been the case.

    It is worth noting that the Texas Theater was a popular movie theater at the time, and it is possible that Oswald had been there before, even if he had not been there on the day of the assassination.

    While talking about Elsbeth Street...
    Mrs. OSWALD. Sometimes we went shopping to stores, and movies, though Lee really went to the movies himself. He wanted to take me but I did not understand English.

    Focus, NTFH, focus.
    That’s not evidence of a supposed ticket stub taken off Oswald after his arrest, is it?
    And it’s certainly not evidence of two witnesses who claim to have seen Oswald purchase a ticket to the Texas Theatre on the day of the assassination.

    Where’s the evidence of those claims?

    Got any?

    Of course not.

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  • From NoTrueFlags Here@21:1/5 to Hank Sienzant on Wed Sep 27 23:01:54 2023
    On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 11:07:58 PM UTC-4, Hank Sienzant wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 9:29:47 PM UTC-4, NoTrueFlags Here wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 2:51:44 AM UTC-4, gggg gggg wrote:
    According to Chatbot BARD:


    There is no definitive evidence that Lee Harvey Oswald had been to the Texas Theater before he was apprehended there on November 22, 1963. However, there is some circumstantial evidence that suggests this may have been the case.

    For example, some witnesses claimed to have seen Oswald at the theater earlier in the day, on the morning of the assassination. However, these eyewitness accounts were not always consistent, and some of the witnesses were later found to be
    unreliable.

    Oswald also had a ticket stub to the Texas Theater in his pocket when he was arrested. However, this ticket stub was not necessarily proof that he had been to the theater on the day of the assassination. It is possible that he had the ticket stub
    from a previous visit, or that he had gotten it from someone else.

    Ultimately, there is no way to know for sure whether or not Oswald had been to the Texas Theater before he was apprehended there. However, the circumstantial evidence suggests that this may have been the case.

    It is worth noting that the Texas Theater was a popular movie theater at the time, and it is possible that Oswald had been there before, even if he had not been there on the day of the assassination.

    While talking about Elsbeth Street...
    Mrs. OSWALD. Sometimes we went shopping to stores, and movies, though Lee really went to the movies himself. He wanted to take me but I did not understand English.
    Focus, NTFH, focus.
    That’s not evidence of a supposed ticket stub taken off Oswald after his arrest, is it?
    And it’s certainly not evidence of two witnesses who claim to have seen Oswald purchase a ticket to the Texas Theatre on the day of the assassination.

    Where’s the evidence of those claims?

    Got any?

    Of course not.

    I was answering his question, you lying weasel. That is discussion. Now scurry off to that basement of yours and fetch your support for your allegation that Harold Weisberg's brother-in-law vouched for the eyesight of your Star Witness Howard Brennan. We
    will wait. And wait. And wait. Be a good boy now.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to All on Thu Sep 28 08:17:06 2023
    On Wed, 27 Sep 2023 16:49:01 -0700 (PDT), Hank Sienzant
    <hsienzant@aol.com> wrote:


    You've claimed that the "A.B.C.D." in the Autopsy Report is the
    description of the *location* of the large head wound.

    Yet you refuse time and time again from QUOTING the preceding
    paragraph that describes what this ACTUALLY is. Why is that?

    You've also claimed that the prosectors dissected the throat wound.

    Why do you continue to refuse to cite any evidence for this?

    Why have you CONSISTENTLY run away each time I raise this issue?

    Now you've quite stupidly insisted that the bullet entered JFK's back,
    and exited the back of his head.

    More cowardice, more stupidity, more dishonesty.

    Are you proud of yourself?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Hank Sienzant@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Thu Sep 28 15:22:15 2023
    On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 11:17:18 AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Wed, 27 Sep 2023 20:07:56 -0700 (PDT), Hank Sienzant
    <hsie...@aol.com> wrote:

    Now you've quite stupidly insisted that the bullet entered JFK's back,
    and exited the back of his head.


    Asked and answered here: https://groups.google.com/g/alt.conspiracy.jfk/c/quU-jAIMgCM/m/nrLFcg83AgAJ

    Ben simply repeats the knowingly false claim — repeatedly!

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to All on Thu Sep 28 15:39:17 2023
    On Thu, 28 Sep 2023 15:35:08 -0700 (PDT), Hank Sienzant
    <hsienzant@aol.com> wrote:


    You've claimed that the "A.B.C.D." in the Autopsy Report is the
    description of the *location* of the large head wound.

    Yet you refuse time and time again from QUOTING the preceding
    paragraph that describes what this ACTUALLY is. Why is that?

    You've also claimed that the prosectors dissected the throat wound.

    Why do you continue to refuse to cite any evidence for this?

    Why have you CONSISTENTLY run away each time I raise this issue?

    Now you've quite stupidly insisted that the bullet entered JFK's back,
    and exited the back of his head.

    More cowardice, more stupidity, more dishonesty.

    Are you proud of yourself?

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  • From Hank Sienzant@21:1/5 to NoTrueFlags Here on Thu Sep 28 15:35:08 2023
    On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 2:01:56 AM UTC-4, NoTrueFlags Here wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 11:07:58 PM UTC-4, Hank Sienzant wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 9:29:47 PM UTC-4, NoTrueFlags Here wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 2:51:44 AM UTC-4, gggg gggg wrote:
    According to Chatbot BARD:


    There is no definitive evidence that Lee Harvey Oswald had been to the Texas Theater before he was apprehended there on November 22, 1963. However, there is some circumstantial evidence that suggests this may have been the case.

    For example, some witnesses claimed to have seen Oswald at the theater earlier in the day, on the morning of the assassination. However, these eyewitness accounts were not always consistent, and some of the witnesses were later found to be
    unreliable.

    Oswald also had a ticket stub to the Texas Theater in his pocket when he was arrested. However, this ticket stub was not necessarily proof that he had been to the theater on the day of the assassination. It is possible that he had the ticket stub
    from a previous visit, or that he had gotten it from someone else.

    Ultimately, there is no way to know for sure whether or not Oswald had been to the Texas Theater before he was apprehended there. However, the circumstantial evidence suggests that this may have been the case.

    It is worth noting that the Texas Theater was a popular movie theater at the time, and it is possible that Oswald had been there before, even if he had not been there on the day of the assassination.

    While talking about Elsbeth Street...
    Mrs. OSWALD. Sometimes we went shopping to stores, and movies, though Lee really went to the movies himself. He wanted to take me but I did not understand English.
    Focus, NTFH, focus.
    That’s not evidence of a supposed ticket stub taken off Oswald after his arrest, is it?
    And it’s certainly not evidence of two witnesses who claim to have seen Oswald purchase a ticket to the Texas Theatre on the day of the assassination.

    Where’s the evidence of those claims?

    Got any?

    Of course not.
    I was answering his question, you lying weasel. That is discussion.

    His question concerned the Texas Theatre, not “the movies” in general. Your quote references the movies in general, not the Texas Theatre specifically. Also, if there’s no ticket stub and no witnesses to Oswald buying a ticket, then you’re not
    any closer to answering his question, are you?

    Or are we supposed to simply *assume* Oswald went to the Texas Theatre.

    Now scurry off to that basement of yours and fetch your support for your allegation that Harold Weisberg's brother-in-law vouched for the eyesight of your Star Witness Howard Brennan. We will wait. And wait. And wait. Be a good boy now.

    When I feel like it. Maybe if you asked nicely.
    But calling me names isn’t your best approach here.

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  • From Greg Parker@21:1/5 to gggg gggg on Thu Sep 28 17:46:00 2023
    On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 4:51:44 PM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
    According to Chatbot BARD:


    There is no definitive evidence that Lee Harvey Oswald had been to the Texas Theater before he was apprehended there on November 22, 1963. However, there is some circumstantial evidence that suggests this may have been the case.

    For example, some witnesses claimed to have seen Oswald at the theater earlier in the day, on the morning of the assassination. However, these eyewitness accounts were not always consistent, and some of the witnesses were later found to be unreliable.

    Who were the witnesses?

    Oswald also had a ticket stub to the Texas Theater in his pocket when he was arrested.

    Not officially, he didn't. That is more evidence that does not exist.

    However, this ticket stub was not necessarily proof that he had been to the theater on the day of the assassination. It is possible that he had the ticket stub from a previous visit, or that he had gotten it from someone else.

    He never had a ticket stub. Where are you getting that from?

    Ultimately, there is no way to know for sure whether or not Oswald had been to the Texas Theater before he was apprehended there. However, the circumstantial evidence suggests that this may have been the case.

    You have not cited any real, circumstantial or otherwise.

    It is worth noting that the Texas Theater was a popular movie theater at the time,

    No it wasn't. It was in the middle of downsizing its staff.

    and it is possible that Oswald had been there before, even if he had not been there on the day of the assassination.

    Anything is theoretically possible. It's theoretically possible for example that Bud Lite really loves Mexicans and only pretends not to as part of his Bud Lite online persona.

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  • From NoTrueFlags Here@21:1/5 to Hank Sienzant on Thu Sep 28 17:37:26 2023
    On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 6:35:10 PM UTC-4, Hank Sienzant wrote:
    On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 2:01:56 AM UTC-4, NoTrueFlags Here wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 11:07:58 PM UTC-4, Hank Sienzant wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 9:29:47 PM UTC-4, NoTrueFlags Here wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 2:51:44 AM UTC-4, gggg gggg wrote:
    According to Chatbot BARD:


    There is no definitive evidence that Lee Harvey Oswald had been to the Texas Theater before he was apprehended there on November 22, 1963. However, there is some circumstantial evidence that suggests this may have been the case.

    For example, some witnesses claimed to have seen Oswald at the theater earlier in the day, on the morning of the assassination. However, these eyewitness accounts were not always consistent, and some of the witnesses were later found to be
    unreliable.

    Oswald also had a ticket stub to the Texas Theater in his pocket when he was arrested. However, this ticket stub was not necessarily proof that he had been to the theater on the day of the assassination. It is possible that he had the ticket
    stub from a previous visit, or that he had gotten it from someone else.

    Ultimately, there is no way to know for sure whether or not Oswald had been to the Texas Theater before he was apprehended there. However, the circumstantial evidence suggests that this may have been the case.

    It is worth noting that the Texas Theater was a popular movie theater at the time, and it is possible that Oswald had been there before, even if he had not been there on the day of the assassination.

    While talking about Elsbeth Street...
    Mrs. OSWALD. Sometimes we went shopping to stores, and movies, though Lee really went to the movies himself. He wanted to take me but I did not understand English.
    Focus, NTFH, focus.
    That’s not evidence of a supposed ticket stub taken off Oswald after his arrest, is it?
    And it’s certainly not evidence of two witnesses who claim to have seen Oswald purchase a ticket to the Texas Theatre on the day of the assassination.

    Where’s the evidence of those claims?

    Got any?

    Of course not.
    I was answering his question, you lying weasel. That is discussion.
    His question concerned the Texas Theatre, not “the movies” in general. Your quote references the movies in general, not the Texas Theatre specifically. Also, if there’s no ticket stub and no witnesses to Oswald buying a ticket, then you’re not
    any closer to answering his question, are you?

    Or are we supposed to simply *assume* Oswald went to the Texas Theatre.
    Now scurry off to that basement of yours and fetch your support for your allegation that Harold Weisberg's brother-in-law vouched for the eyesight of your Star Witness Howard Brennan. We will wait. And wait. And wait. Be a good boy now.
    When I feel like it. Maybe if you asked nicely.
    But calling me names isn’t your best approach here.

    I answered the question he asked, Fuckface. "...it is possible that Oswald had been there before, even if he had not been there on the day of the assassination." Yes, it is possible because he did go to the movies, and the Texas Theatre was nearby. It is
    possible. That's the question he asked and I answered, you pathetic sack of shit.

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  • From Greg Parker@21:1/5 to gggg gggg on Thu Sep 28 18:11:38 2023
    On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 10:00:43 PM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 4:40:57 AM UTC-7, John Corbett wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 2:57:58 AM UTC-4, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Monday, September 25, 2023 at 11:51:44 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
    According to Chatbot BARD:


    There is no definitive evidence that Lee Harvey Oswald had been to the Texas Theater before he was apprehended there on November 22, 1963. However, there is some circumstantial evidence that suggests this may have been the case.

    For example, some witnesses claimed to have seen Oswald at the theater earlier in the day, on the morning of the assassination. However, these eyewitness accounts were not always consistent, and some of the witnesses were later found to be
    unreliable.

    Oswald also had a ticket stub to the Texas Theater in his pocket when he was arrested. However, this ticket stub was not necessarily proof that he had been to the theater on the day of the assassination. It is possible that he had the ticket stub
    from a previous visit, or that he had gotten it from someone else.

    Ultimately, there is no way to know for sure whether or not Oswald had been to the Texas Theater before he was apprehended there. However, the circumstantial evidence suggests that this may have been the case.

    It is worth noting that the Texas Theater was a popular movie theater at the time, and it is possible that Oswald had been there before, even if he had not been there on the day of the assassination.
    If he slipped into the theater without paying, how could he have a ticket stub in his pocket unless he had been to the theater before?

    Could the ticket stub have been something to show to the person he was supposed to meet there?
    Why do you waste time wondering about possibilities for which there is zero evidence?

    Isn't it possible that the Texas Theater was used as a rendezvous place for spooks?

    In line with anything being theoretically possible, yes.

    Didn't Howard Hughes have ties to the CIA?

    Tangentially from the late 1960s.

    Wasn't the Texas T. part of the Howard Hughes real estate empire?

    No. It was started owned and operated by the Rowley Theatre chain up until 1955 when the chain was taken over by United Artists which Hughes did have a past connection to as a producer. I know Wikipedia makes the claim that Hughes provided finance for
    the theatre chain, and though that may be true, it should be viewed skeptically because it lacks any citation.. From then on, the chain was known as the Rowley United Theatres.
    https://gregrparker.com/mysteries-of-the-texas-theatre/

    Wasn't H.H. in Dallas that day? To see the 'fireworks'? After all, wasn't it known that he hated the Kennedy's?

    No. You really really really have to stop reading trashy books on the assassination.

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  • From Greg Parker@21:1/5 to gggg gggg on Thu Sep 28 18:22:10 2023
    On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 4:57:58 PM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Monday, September 25, 2023 at 11:51:44 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
    According to Chatbot BARD:


    There is no definitive evidence that Lee Harvey Oswald had been to the Texas Theater before he was apprehended there on November 22, 1963. However, there is some circumstantial evidence that suggests this may have been the case.

    For example, some witnesses claimed to have seen Oswald at the theater earlier in the day, on the morning of the assassination. However, these eyewitness accounts were not always consistent, and some of the witnesses were later found to be unreliable.


    Oswald also had a ticket stub to the Texas Theater in his pocket when he was arrested. However, this ticket stub was not necessarily proof that he had been to the theater on the day of the assassination. It is possible that he had the ticket stub
    from a previous visit, or that he had gotten it from someone else.

    Ultimately, there is no way to know for sure whether or not Oswald had been to the Texas Theater before he was apprehended there. However, the circumstantial evidence suggests that this may have been the case.

    It is worth noting that the Texas Theater was a popular movie theater at the time, and it is possible that Oswald had been there before, even if he had not been there on the day of the assassination.

    If he slipped into the theater without paying, how could he have a ticket stub in his pocket unless he had been to the theater before?

    He paid. He bought a ticket. It disappeared. No sign of it post arrest.

    Could the ticket stub have been something to show to the person he was supposed to meet there?

    Oswald sits next to imaginary pregnant lady who se pregnancy made her crave watching B-Grade war movies.

    Oswald: "Comrade-lady, I have a ticket. If you have ticket, you must be contact!"

    Imaginary pregnant lady: "Fuck off."

    Stop reading trash. For the sake of my sanity, please stop.

    But look, I'll give you a leg up. They later claimed that he had a Cox dept. store box-top in his pocket.

    Box-tops were the identifiers used by the Rosenberg spies to meet Soviet contacts in theatre.

    so... at least with this, you're in the ballpark. The box-top disappeared from the evidence when he had to be made into a lone nut. The people setting him up had an intimate knowledge of the Rosenberg case and borrowed from it in the initial frame to
    make him a Soviet run traitor.

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  • From Greg Parker@21:1/5 to Hank Sienzant on Thu Sep 28 19:07:32 2023
    On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 1:44:10 AM UTC+10, Hank Sienzant wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 2:57:58 AM UTC-4, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Monday, September 25, 2023 at 11:51:44 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
    According to Chatbot BARD:


    There is no definitive evidence that Lee Harvey Oswald had been to the Texas Theater before he was apprehended there on November 22, 1963. However, there is some circumstantial evidence that suggests this may have been the case.

    For example, some witnesses claimed to have seen Oswald at the theater earlier in the day, on the morning of the assassination. However, these eyewitness accounts were not always consistent, and some of the witnesses were later found to be
    unreliable.

    Oswald also had a ticket stub to the Texas Theater in his pocket when he was arrested. However, this ticket stub was not necessarily proof that he had been to the theater on the day of the assassination. It is possible that he had the ticket stub
    from a previous visit, or that he had gotten it from someone else.

    Ultimately, there is no way to know for sure whether or not Oswald had been to the Texas Theater before he was apprehended there. However, the circumstantial evidence suggests that this may have been the case.

    It is worth noting that the Texas Theater was a popular movie theater at the time, and it is possible that Oswald had been there before, even if he had not been there on the day of the assassination.
    If he slipped into the theater without paying, how could he have a ticket stub in his pocket unless he had been to the theater before?

    Could the ticket stub have been something to show to the person he was supposed to meet there?
    Good question.
    Better question: Did he have a ticket stub?
    Let's see the evidence for that before we can talk about what it might have been used for?

    And in any case, wouldn't everyone in the theatre have a ticket stub, assuming they didn't sneak in.

    Julia Postal was the ticket seller in the small booth outside the Texas Theatre. Here's her testimony:
    https://www.jfk-assassination.net/russ/testimony/postal.htm

    She says she didn't sell Oswald a ticket:
    -- quote --
    Mr. BALL. What did you see him do after became around the corner?
    Mrs. POSTAL. Well, I didn't actually----because I stepped out of the box office and went to the front and was facing west. I was right at the box office facing west, because I thought .the police were stopping up quite a ways. Well, just as I turned
    around then Johnny Brewer was standing there and he asked me if the fellow that ducked in bought a ticket, and I said, "No; by golly, he didn't," and turned around expecting to see him.
    Mr. BALL. And he had ducked in?
    -- unquote --

    Postal's story makes zero sense. https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=10483#relPageId=360

    She leaves the booth despite seeing a person walk in who she claimed was "running from the police" and when asked by Brewer if she had sold him a ticket, she didn't even know who Brewer was talking about.

    There is a reason that Brewer and Postal never made statements until 12 days after the assassination. That time was needed to allow anything to crop up in the TT investigation that might need to be incorporated into the story, so that the story could be
    hammered into shape and kinda sorta make sense. They failed.

    That said, she did see someone sneak in and that was who she phone the cops about. It was a teenager who went up to the balcony to join others. Asst DA Jim Bowie said they got more than just her call. (From the Oswald Affair: "On November 27, my
    conversation with Assistant District Attorney Jim Bowie took an unexpected turn when we arrived at this point: "What led the police to the Texas Theater, Mr. Bowie? A tele- phone call?" "Half a dozen calls!" It was one of the other calls that alerted
    cops to Oswald being in there. This is why you have two separate groups of cops going in. One or two officers going up to the balcony to catch the kid who had sneaked in. The larger group going in armed to the teeth through the back door to get Oswald.

    It was Postal herself who gives it away that it was a kid who snuck in.

    Mrs. POSTAL. We talked about that, and the concession stand is along here, and if he came in on the other end, which we summarized that is what Oswald did, because the steps, immediately as you open the door there. It has been done before with kids
    trying to sneak in, run right on up in the balcony.

    I know exactly what she is talking about because I did it as a kid. Except unlike Postal who rang the cops, the ticket seller in my case just brought us up some tickets in case any one else came to check if we had any. And yes, we were in the balcony.

    And that is what happened that day which is why one report has a cop on the balcony stairs talking to a teenager., and other reports have the two separate incidents conflated by reporting that Oswald was arrested in the balcony.

    In fact, the true reason for Postal's call would be the main reason for the delay in Postal and Brewer making statements.

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