James Worrell and the Magic Affidavit

"An unidentified individual told Insp. J.H. Sawyer that he had seen an individual run from the TSBD building shortly after the shooting of Pres. Kennedy and that this individual was an unknown white male, approximately 30, slender build, 5'10", 165
pounds, carrying what looked to be a 30:30, or some type of Winchester rifle. Insp. Sawyer then contacted Dallas Police Sgt. G.D. Henslee, radio dispatcher, and this description was broadcast to all Dallas squad cars." -- dispatch to "Director, FBI",
from Dallas FBI office. (courtesy of SkyThrone, alt.conspiracy.jfk, 9/3/23)

Of course, the Dallas Police Dept. could never admit that their actual Dealey star witness--who provided them with the 12:44 suspect description--was someone who stated that he had seen Oswald BEHIND THE DEPOSITORY, WITH A RIFLE, AFTER 12:30, on 11/22/63.
His observations were broadcast and re-broadcast, live, and could not be taken back. DPD did the next best thing and attached the suspect description, none too credibly, to witness Howard Brennan: The latter thought that the suspect was "standing" as
he shot from the "sniper's nest" (Warren Commission hearings v3p144), hence the cockamamie (at least from his vantage point) height and weight specs. But Brennan did see a rifle, and that's all that was needed.

Downplaying of back-of-the-depository activity began that same day, with TSBD employee Mrs. R.A. Reid, who wrote, in an affidavit, that Oswald came through her office shortly after the shooting. At the Commission hearings, Counsel David Belin asked her,
"How would he have gotten out of the office?" Mrs. Reid: "Right straight out this door down this stairway and out the front door." (v3p278) (Note that she is more than helpful--she has Oswald all the way out the building, not just the office.) She
told Belin that Oswald was wearing "a white T-shirt and some kind of wash trousers" (p276). However, Patrolman M.L. Baker--who had just encountered Oswald in the next room--wrote in his same-day affidavit that he was "wearing a light brown jacket". Mrs.
Reid may have been thinking of Oswald's usual office attire. (As per James Jarman: "Oswald usually worked in a white tee-shirt". [12/5/63 FBI interview])

Who to believe? TSBD secretary Geneva Hine, when asked by Counsel Joseph Ball, "When you came back in [to the same office, after 12:30] did you see Mrs. Reid?" Hine: "No, sir, I don't believe there was a soul in the office when I came back in right
then." (v6p396) Ball asks her, "Were you facing the door [Oswald] is supposed to have left by?" Hine: "Yes, sir." Ball: "Do you recall seeing him?" "No, sir." (p397) Mrs. Reid--supposed witness to Oswald leaving by the front door--caught out by
Baker and Hine.

Further references, the next few days, to an Oswald front-door departure can be found in written accounts of the Oswald interviews (Warren Report pp619, 636). The interviews were not recorded. And if Mrs. Reid's testimony is any indication, the
interview accounts of Oswald's exit route must be deemed, at best, unreliable, too.

However, all sources agree: Three minutes after the shooting, Oswald was downstairs, on the first floor, then out the front or back door. "Out the front door by 12:33"--Warren Report (p155). "Three minutes from the last shot to dialing the telephone
inside the TSBD", after "his encounter with Oswald... inside the TSBD"--Pierce Allman (JFK Facts). Behind the building, it was "approximately three minutes before I saw this man come out the back door here."--James Worrell (v2p195).

On the 23rd, the downplaying of elements in the 12:44 suspect description continued. In his affidavit, witness James Worrell, stated that, from Pacific Street, just north of the TSBD, he saw a man "come out of the building and run in the opposite
direction from me... didn't have anything in hands." So, for Worrell here, no rifle apparent on the runner.

But, in between the taking of the affidavit and its final form--in the Commission Exhibits--a funny thing happened. Taking Worrell's affidavit, "at about 5pm", on the 23rd, Det. R.L. Anderton wrote that, from the "north side of the TSBD... [Worrell] saw
"a man run out of the building in a southerly direction. He said when he got home and saw pictures of Lee Harvey Oswald in the newspapers and on television, he recognized him as the man he saw run from the building." (CE 2003 p185)

Now, take a look at Worrell's affidavit--Commission Exhibit No. 2003, page 69. The name of the man that he recognized, that he "saw run from the building"... not there. In fact, there's no name at all. We know that Anderton took it down. But it's not
there in CE 2003. There is just an impersonal reference to a "w/m". "Oswald" expunged. The Long Arm of the Law, Rewrite Dept.

This is just the beginning of the weaning of Oswald from Worrell's narrative. On 11/30/63, Worrell told the FBI that he got a "profile view" of the man behind the TSBD and that he "felt [Oswald] was the person he had seen." But the next year he told
the Commission that he "didn't see his face. I just saw the back of his head." It hardly seems likely that Worrell didn't get a glimpse of the running man's face, first running north out of the building, then turning south down Houston, "along the side
of the depository building" (v2p196). Worrell changed his mind? No--the altered affidavit confirms that Worrell's mind was being changed for him.

First, the rifle disappears, then "Oswald" disappears, twice. Actually, the first disappearance would have been the identification of Sawyer's unidentified witness. But, based on the subsequent disappearances, it seems safe to assume that that "
unidentified" witness was... Worrell. Safer than to assume that there were TWO witnesses to Oswald rushing out the rear of the building--and that Worrell somehow didn't see the other, unidentified witness. So, the sequence of disappearing names: "
Worrell" from Sawyer's report... "Oswald" from Worrell's affidavit... and "Oswald" from Worrell's testimony.


In and of themselves, these disappearing acts may or may not be that significant. To put the best light on it, they may just have been a case of DPD personnel trying to save face, after invoking the specter of a man with a rifle running out the back
door of the depository at 12:33. Exposed, they could have sputtered, "Well, no one saw him inside the building with a rifle at 12:33--ask Allman", etc., till the cows came home. But the cows, or horses, would already have long been out of the barn by
that time... So the DPD simply suppressed the story. Obviously, they did not want to deal with the complication of having Oswald connected with the back-door rifle, fictitious or not. But the pesky Worrell kept bringing him up.

The simple fact of the altered affidavit, however, is quite significant, in one way--an illustrative way. It shows, clearly and concisely, both the before and the after of how the DPD could suppress information. It shows, in short, the DPD M.O. It's a
little skeleton key to the JFK assassination.

dcw

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On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 12:43:37 AM UTC-4, Donald Willis wrote:

James Worrell and the Magic Affidavit

"An unidentified individual told Insp. J.H. Sawyer that he had seen an individual run from the TSBD building shortly after the shooting of Pres. Kennedy and that this individual was an unknown white male, approximately 30, slender build, 5'10", 165

pounds, carrying what looked to be a 30:30, or some type of Winchester rifle. Insp. Sawyer then contacted Dallas Police Sgt. G.D. Henslee, radio dispatcher, and this description was broadcast to all Dallas squad cars." -- dispatch to "Director, FBI",
from Dallas FBI office. (courtesy of SkyThrone, alt.conspiracy.jfk, 9/3/23)

Of course, the Dallas Police Dept. could never admit that their actual Dealey star witness--who provided them with the 12:44 suspect description--was someone who stated that he had seen Oswald BEHIND THE DEPOSITORY, WITH A RIFLE, AFTER 12:30, on 11/22/

63. His observations were broadcast and re-broadcast, live, and could not be taken back. DPD did the next best thing and attached the suspect description, none too credibly, to witness Howard Brennan: The latter thought that the suspect was "standing" as
he shot from the "sniper's nest" (Warren Commission hearings v3p144), hence the cockamamie (at least from his vantage point) height and weight specs. But Brennan did see a rifle, and that's all that was needed.

Downplaying of back-of-the-depository activity began that same day, with TSBD employee Mrs. R.A. Reid, who wrote, in an affidavit, that Oswald came through her office shortly after the shooting. At the Commission hearings, Counsel David Belin asked her,

"How would he have gotten out of the office?" Mrs. Reid: "Right straight out this door down this stairway and out the front door." (v3p278) (Note that she is more than helpful--she has Oswald all the way out the building, not just the office.) She told
Belin that Oswald was wearing "a white T-shirt and some kind of wash trousers" (p276). However, Patrolman M.L. Baker--who had just encountered Oswald in the next room--wrote in his same-day affidavit that he was "wearing a light brown jacket". Mrs. Reid
may have been thinking of Oswald's usual office attire. (As per James Jarman: "Oswald usually worked in a white tee-shirt". [12/5/63 FBI interview])

Who to believe? TSBD secretary Geneva Hine, when asked by Counsel Joseph Ball, "When you came back in [to the same office, after 12:30] did you see Mrs. Reid?" Hine: "No, sir, I don't believe there was a soul in the office when I came back in right

then." (v6p396) Ball asks her, "Were you facing the door [Oswald] is supposed to have left by?" Hine: "Yes, sir." Ball: "Do you recall seeing him?" "No, sir." (p397) Mrs. Reid--supposed witness to Oswald leaving by the front door--caught out by Baker and
Hine.

Further references, the next few days, to an Oswald front-door departure can be found in written accounts of the Oswald interviews (Warren Report pp619, 636). The interviews were not recorded. And if Mrs. Reid's testimony is any indication, the

interview accounts of Oswald's exit route must be deemed, at best, unreliable, too.

However, all sources agree: Three minutes after the shooting, Oswald was downstairs, on the first floor, then out the front or back door. "Out the front door by 12:33"--Warren Report (p155). "Three minutes from the last shot to dialing the telephone

inside the TSBD", after "his encounter with Oswald... inside the TSBD"--Pierce Allman (JFK Facts). Behind the building, it was "approximately three minutes before I saw this man come out the back door here."--James Worrell (v2p195).

On the 23rd, the downplaying of elements in the 12:44 suspect description continued. In his affidavit, witness James Worrell, stated that, from Pacific Street, just north of the TSBD, he saw a man "come out of the building and run in the opposite

direction from me... didn't have anything in hands." So, for Worrell here, no rifle apparent on the runner.

But, in between the taking of the affidavit and its final form--in the Commission Exhibits--a funny thing happened. Taking Worrell's affidavit, "at about 5pm", on the 23rd, Det. R.L. Anderton wrote that, from the "north side of the TSBD... [Worrell]

saw "a man run out of the building in a southerly direction. He said when he got home and saw pictures of Lee Harvey Oswald in the newspapers and on television, he recognized him as the man he saw run from the building." (CE 2003 p185)

Now, take a look at Worrell's affidavit--Commission Exhibit No. 2003, page 69. The name of the man that he recognized, that he "saw run from the building"... not there. In fact, there's no name at all. We know that Anderton took it down. But it's not

there in CE 2003. There is just an impersonal reference to a "w/m". "Oswald" expunged. The Long Arm of the Law, Rewrite Dept.

This is just the beginning of the weaning of Oswald from Worrell's narrative. On 11/30/63, Worrell told the FBI that he got a "profile view" of the man behind the TSBD and that he "felt [Oswald] was the person he had seen." But the next year he told

the Commission that he "didn't see his face. I just saw the back of his head." It hardly seems likely that Worrell didn't get a glimpse of the running man's face, first running north out of the building, then turning south down Houston, "along the side
of the depository building" (v2p196). Worrell changed his mind? No--the altered affidavit confirms that Worrell's mind was being changed for him.

First, the rifle disappears, then "Oswald" disappears, twice. Actually, the first disappearance would have been the identification of Sawyer's unidentified witness. But, based on the subsequent disappearances, it seems safe to assume that that "

unidentified" witness was... Worrell. Safer than to assume that there were TWO witnesses to Oswald rushing out the rear of the building--and that Worrell somehow didn't see the other, unidentified witness. So, the sequence of disappearing names: "Worrell"
from Sawyer's report... "Oswald" from Worrell's affidavit... and "Oswald" from Worrell's testimony.

In and of themselves, these disappearing acts may or may not be that significant. To put the best light on it, they may just have been a case of DPD personnel trying to save face, after invoking the specter of a man with a rifle running out the back

door of the depository at 12:33. Exposed, they could have sputtered, "Well, no one saw him inside the building with a rifle at 12:33--ask Allman", etc., till the cows came home. But the cows, or horses, would already have long been out of the barn by
that time... So the DPD simply suppressed the story. Obviously, they did not want to deal with the complication of having Oswald connected with the back-door rifle, fictitious or not. But the pesky Worrell kept bringing him up.

The simple fact of the altered affidavit, however, is quite significant, in one way--an illustrative way. It shows, clearly and concisely, both the before and the after of how the DPD could suppress information. It shows, in short, the DPD M.O. It's a

little skeleton key to the JFK assassination.

dcw

That's very good. Reid deserves her own video, I think. She was also used to defend Jackie's hat action at the turn from Main onto Houston. She was a multipurpose witness. R.L. Anderton? I'll have to look into that. You seem to be insisting that Worrell
was actually there on the day of the assassination, but I can overlook that.

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On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 1:19:47 AM UTC-4, NoTrueFlags Here wrote:

On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 12:43:37 AM UTC-4, Donald Willis wrote:

James Worrell and the Magic Affidavit

"An unidentified individual told Insp. J.H. Sawyer that he had seen an individual run from the TSBD building shortly after the shooting of Pres. Kennedy and that this individual was an unknown white male, approximately 30, slender build, 5'10", 165

pounds, carrying what looked to be a 30:30, or some type of Winchester rifle. Insp. Sawyer then contacted Dallas Police Sgt. G.D. Henslee, radio dispatcher, and this description was broadcast to all Dallas squad cars." -- dispatch to "Director, FBI",
from Dallas FBI office. (courtesy of SkyThrone, alt.conspiracy.jfk, 9/3/23)

Of course, the Dallas Police Dept. could never admit that their actual Dealey star witness--who provided them with the 12:44 suspect description--was someone who stated that he had seen Oswald BEHIND THE DEPOSITORY, WITH A RIFLE, AFTER 12:30, on 11/

22/63. His observations were broadcast and re-broadcast, live, and could not be taken back. DPD did the next best thing and attached the suspect description, none too credibly, to witness Howard Brennan: The latter thought that the suspect was "standing"
as he shot from the "sniper's nest" (Warren Commission hearings v3p144), hence the cockamamie (at least from his vantage point) height and weight specs. But Brennan did see a rifle, and that's all that was needed.

Downplaying of back-of-the-depository activity began that same day, with TSBD employee Mrs. R.A. Reid, who wrote, in an affidavit, that Oswald came through her office shortly after the shooting. At the Commission hearings, Counsel David Belin asked

her, "How would he have gotten out of the office?" Mrs. Reid: "Right straight out this door down this stairway and out the front door." (v3p278) (Note that she is more than helpful--she has Oswald all the way out the building, not just the office.) She
told Belin that Oswald was wearing "a white T-shirt and some kind of wash trousers" (p276). However, Patrolman M.L. Baker--who had just encountered Oswald in the next room--wrote in his same-day affidavit that he was "wearing a light brown jacket". Mrs.
Reid may have been thinking of Oswald's usual office attire. (As per James Jarman: "Oswald usually worked in a white tee-shirt". [12/5/63 FBI interview])

Who to believe? TSBD secretary Geneva Hine, when asked by Counsel Joseph Ball, "When you came back in [to the same office, after 12:30] did you see Mrs. Reid?" Hine: "No, sir, I don't believe there was a soul in the office when I came back in right

then." (v6p396) Ball asks her, "Were you facing the door [Oswald] is supposed to have left by?" Hine: "Yes, sir." Ball: "Do you recall seeing him?" "No, sir." (p397) Mrs. Reid--supposed witness to Oswald leaving by the front door--caught out by Baker and
Hine.

Further references, the next few days, to an Oswald front-door departure can be found in written accounts of the Oswald interviews (Warren Report pp619, 636). The interviews were not recorded. And if Mrs. Reid's testimony is any indication, the

interview accounts of Oswald's exit route must be deemed, at best, unreliable, too.

However, all sources agree: Three minutes after the shooting, Oswald was downstairs, on the first floor, then out the front or back door. "Out the front door by 12:33"--Warren Report (p155). "Three minutes from the last shot to dialing the telephone

inside the TSBD", after "his encounter with Oswald... inside the TSBD"--Pierce Allman (JFK Facts). Behind the building, it was "approximately three minutes before I saw this man come out the back door here."--James Worrell (v2p195).

On the 23rd, the downplaying of elements in the 12:44 suspect description continued. In his affidavit, witness James Worrell, stated that, from Pacific Street, just north of the TSBD, he saw a man "come out of the building and run in the opposite

direction from me... didn't have anything in hands." So, for Worrell here, no rifle apparent on the runner.

But, in between the taking of the affidavit and its final form--in the Commission Exhibits--a funny thing happened. Taking Worrell's affidavit, "at about 5pm", on the 23rd, Det. R.L. Anderton wrote

I see no "Anderton" on the DPD roster. A couple of Andersons are there, but they are patrolman. The DPD report states who took most of the affidavits, but not Worrell's. Where do you get your Anderton information?

K.L. Anderton is one of the officers who wrote up the 1974 theft report on Marina at the 7-11. That's as close as I can get to a DPD Anderton.

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On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 12:43:37 AM UTC-4, Donald Willis wrote:

James Worrell and the Magic Affidavit

"An unidentified individual told Insp. J.H. Sawyer that he had seen an individual run from the TSBD building shortly after the shooting of Pres. Kennedy and that this individual was an unknown white male, approximately 30, slender build, 5'10", 165

pounds, carrying what looked to be a 30:30, or some type of Winchester rifle. Insp. Sawyer then contacted Dallas Police Sgt. G.D. Henslee, radio dispatcher, and this description was broadcast to all Dallas squad cars." -- dispatch to "Director, FBI",
from Dallas FBI office. (courtesy of SkyThrone, alt.conspiracy.jfk, 9/3/23)

Of course, the Dallas Police Dept. could never admit that their actual Dealey star witness--who provided them with the 12:44 suspect description--was someone who stated that he had seen Oswald BEHIND THE DEPOSITORY, WITH A RIFLE, AFTER 12:30, on 11/22/

63. His observations were broadcast and re-broadcast, live, and could not be taken back. DPD did the next best thing and attached the suspect description, none too credibly, to witness Howard Brennan: The latter thought that the suspect was "standing" as
he shot from the "sniper's nest" (Warren Commission hearings v3p144), hence the cockamamie (at least from his vantage point) height and weight specs. But Brennan did see a rifle, and that's all that was needed.

Downplaying of back-of-the-depository activity began that same day, with TSBD employee Mrs. R.A. Reid, who wrote, in an affidavit, that Oswald came through her office shortly after the shooting. At the Commission hearings, Counsel David Belin asked her,

"How would he have gotten out of the office?" Mrs. Reid: "Right straight out this door down this stairway and out the front door." (v3p278) (Note that she is more than helpful--she has Oswald all the way out the building, not just the office.) She told
Belin that Oswald was wearing "a white T-shirt and some kind of wash trousers" (p276). However, Patrolman M.L. Baker--who had just encountered Oswald in the next room--wrote in his same-day affidavit that he was "wearing a light brown jacket". Mrs. Reid
may have been thinking of Oswald's usual office attire. (As per James Jarman: "Oswald usually worked in a white tee-shirt". [12/5/63 FBI interview])

Who to believe? TSBD secretary Geneva Hine, when asked by Counsel Joseph Ball, "When you came back in [to the same office, after 12:30] did you see Mrs. Reid?" Hine: "No, sir, I don't believe there was a soul in the office when I came back in right

then." (v6p396) Ball asks her, "Were you facing the door [Oswald] is supposed to have left by?" Hine: "Yes, sir." Ball: "Do you recall seeing him?" "No, sir." (p397) Mrs. Reid--supposed witness to Oswald leaving by the front door--caught out by Baker and
Hine.

Further references, the next few days, to an Oswald front-door departure can be found in written accounts of the Oswald interviews (Warren Report pp619, 636). The interviews were not recorded. And if Mrs. Reid's testimony is any indication, the

interview accounts of Oswald's exit route must be deemed, at best, unreliable, too.

However, all sources agree: Three minutes after the shooting, Oswald was downstairs, on the first floor, then out the front or back door. "Out the front door by 12:33"--Warren Report (p155). "Three minutes from the last shot to dialing the telephone

inside the TSBD", after "his encounter with Oswald... inside the TSBD"--Pierce Allman (JFK Facts). Behind the building, it was "approximately three minutes before I saw this man come out the back door here."--James Worrell (v2p195).

On the 23rd, the downplaying of elements in the 12:44 suspect description continued. In his affidavit, witness James Worrell, stated that, from Pacific Street, just north of the TSBD, he saw a man "come out of the building and run in the opposite

direction from me... didn't have anything in hands." So, for Worrell here, no rifle apparent on the runner.

But, in between the taking of the affidavit and its final form--in the Commission Exhibits--a funny thing happened. Taking Worrell's affidavit, "at about 5pm", on the 23rd, Det. R.L. Anderton wrote

I see no "Anderton" on the DPD roster. A couple of Andersons are there, but they are patrolman. The DPD report states who took most of the affidavits, but not Worrell's. Where do you get your Anderton information?

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On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 10:19:47 PM UTC-7, NoTrueFlags Here wrote:

On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 12:43:37 AM UTC-4, Donald Willis wrote:

James Worrell and the Magic Affidavit

"An unidentified individual told Insp. J.H. Sawyer that he had seen an individual run from the TSBD building shortly after the shooting of Pres. Kennedy and that this individual was an unknown white male, approximately 30, slender build, 5'10", 165

pounds, carrying what looked to be a 30:30, or some type of Winchester rifle. Insp. Sawyer then contacted Dallas Police Sgt. G.D. Henslee, radio dispatcher, and this description was broadcast to all Dallas squad cars." -- dispatch to "Director, FBI",
from Dallas FBI office. (courtesy of SkyThrone, alt.conspiracy.jfk, 9/3/23)

Of course, the Dallas Police Dept. could never admit that their actual Dealey star witness--who provided them with the 12:44 suspect description--was someone who stated that he had seen Oswald BEHIND THE DEPOSITORY, WITH A RIFLE, AFTER 12:30, on 11/

22/63. His observations were broadcast and re-broadcast, live, and could not be taken back. DPD did the next best thing and attached the suspect description, none too credibly, to witness Howard Brennan: The latter thought that the suspect was "standing"
as he shot from the "sniper's nest" (Warren Commission hearings v3p144), hence the cockamamie (at least from his vantage point) height and weight specs. But Brennan did see a rifle, and that's all that was needed.

Downplaying of back-of-the-depository activity began that same day, with TSBD employee Mrs. R.A. Reid, who wrote, in an affidavit, that Oswald came through her office shortly after the shooting. At the Commission hearings, Counsel David Belin asked

her, "How would he have gotten out of the office?" Mrs. Reid: "Right straight out this door down this stairway and out the front door." (v3p278) (Note that she is more than helpful--she has Oswald all the way out the building, not just the office.) She
told Belin that Oswald was wearing "a white T-shirt and some kind of wash trousers" (p276). However, Patrolman M.L. Baker--who had just encountered Oswald in the next room--wrote in his same-day affidavit that he was "wearing a light brown jacket". Mrs.
Reid may have been thinking of Oswald's usual office attire. (As per James Jarman: "Oswald usually worked in a white tee-shirt". [12/5/63 FBI interview])

Who to believe? TSBD secretary Geneva Hine, when asked by Counsel Joseph Ball, "When you came back in [to the same office, after 12:30] did you see Mrs. Reid?" Hine: "No, sir, I don't believe there was a soul in the office when I came back in right

then." (v6p396) Ball asks her, "Were you facing the door [Oswald] is supposed to have left by?" Hine: "Yes, sir." Ball: "Do you recall seeing him?" "No, sir." (p397) Mrs. Reid--supposed witness to Oswald leaving by the front door--caught out by Baker and
Hine.

Further references, the next few days, to an Oswald front-door departure can be found in written accounts of the Oswald interviews (Warren Report pp619, 636). The interviews were not recorded. And if Mrs. Reid's testimony is any indication, the

interview accounts of Oswald's exit route must be deemed, at best, unreliable, too.

However, all sources agree: Three minutes after the shooting, Oswald was downstairs, on the first floor, then out the front or back door. "Out the front door by 12:33"--Warren Report (p155). "Three minutes from the last shot to dialing the telephone

inside the TSBD", after "his encounter with Oswald... inside the TSBD"--Pierce Allman (JFK Facts). Behind the building, it was "approximately three minutes before I saw this man come out the back door here."--James Worrell (v2p195).

On the 23rd, the downplaying of elements in the 12:44 suspect description continued. In his affidavit, witness James Worrell, stated that, from Pacific Street, just north of the TSBD, he saw a man "come out of the building and run in the opposite

direction from me... didn't have anything in hands." So, for Worrell here, no rifle apparent on the runner.

But, in between the taking of the affidavit and its final form--in the Commission Exhibits--a funny thing happened. Taking Worrell's affidavit, "at about 5pm", on the 23rd, Det. R.L. Anderton wrote

I see no "Anderton" on the DPD roster. A couple of Andersons are there, but they are patrolman. The DPD report states who took most of the affidavits, but not Worrell's. Where do you get your Anderton information?

Like I noted, CE 2003 p184. Easier access online may be by using the Hearings volume number: v24 p294. A fuzzy repro. I work from an old but clear photocopy. Not sure why I copied it. Never looked at Worrell's affidavit or testimony much, except
for his "5 or 6 stories up", for obvious reasons.

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On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 10:06:19 PM UTC-7, NoTrueFlags Here wrote:

On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 12:43:37 AM UTC-4, Donald Willis wrote:

James Worrell and the Magic Affidavit

"An unidentified individual told Insp. J.H. Sawyer that he had seen an individual run from the TSBD building shortly after the shooting of Pres. Kennedy and that this individual was an unknown white male, approximately 30, slender build, 5'10", 165

pounds, carrying what looked to be a 30:30, or some type of Winchester rifle. Insp. Sawyer then contacted Dallas Police Sgt. G.D. Henslee, radio dispatcher, and this description was broadcast to all Dallas squad cars." -- dispatch to "Director, FBI",
from Dallas FBI office. (courtesy of SkyThrone, alt.conspiracy.jfk, 9/3/23)

Of course, the Dallas Police Dept. could never admit that their actual Dealey star witness--who provided them with the 12:44 suspect description--was someone who stated that he had seen Oswald BEHIND THE DEPOSITORY, WITH A RIFLE, AFTER 12:30, on 11/

22/63. His observations were broadcast and re-broadcast, live, and could not be taken back. DPD did the next best thing and attached the suspect description, none too credibly, to witness Howard Brennan: The latter thought that the suspect was "standing"
as he shot from the "sniper's nest" (Warren Commission hearings v3p144), hence the cockamamie (at least from his vantage point) height and weight specs. But Brennan did see a rifle, and that's all that was needed.

Downplaying of back-of-the-depository activity began that same day, with TSBD employee Mrs. R.A. Reid, who wrote, in an affidavit, that Oswald came through her office shortly after the shooting. At the Commission hearings, Counsel David Belin asked

her, "How would he have gotten out of the office?" Mrs. Reid: "Right straight out this door down this stairway and out the front door." (v3p278) (Note that she is more than helpful--she has Oswald all the way out the building, not just the office.) She
told Belin that Oswald was wearing "a white T-shirt and some kind of wash trousers" (p276). However, Patrolman M.L. Baker--who had just encountered Oswald in the next room--wrote in his same-day affidavit that he was "wearing a light brown jacket". Mrs.
Reid may have been thinking of Oswald's usual office attire. (As per James Jarman: "Oswald usually worked in a white tee-shirt". [12/5/63 FBI interview])

Who to believe? TSBD secretary Geneva Hine, when asked by Counsel Joseph Ball, "When you came back in [to the same office, after 12:30] did you see Mrs. Reid?" Hine: "No, sir, I don't believe there was a soul in the office when I came back in right

then." (v6p396) Ball asks her, "Were you facing the door [Oswald] is supposed to have left by?" Hine: "Yes, sir." Ball: "Do you recall seeing him?" "No, sir." (p397) Mrs. Reid--supposed witness to Oswald leaving by the front door--caught out by Baker and
Hine.

Further references, the next few days, to an Oswald front-door departure can be found in written accounts of the Oswald interviews (Warren Report pp619, 636). The interviews were not recorded. And if Mrs. Reid's testimony is any indication, the

interview accounts of Oswald's exit route must be deemed, at best, unreliable, too.

However, all sources agree: Three minutes after the shooting, Oswald was downstairs, on the first floor, then out the front or back door. "Out the front door by 12:33"--Warren Report (p155). "Three minutes from the last shot to dialing the telephone

inside the TSBD", after "his encounter with Oswald... inside the TSBD"--Pierce Allman (JFK Facts). Behind the building, it was "approximately three minutes before I saw this man come out the back door here."--James Worrell (v2p195).

On the 23rd, the downplaying of elements in the 12:44 suspect description continued. In his affidavit, witness James Worrell, stated that, from Pacific Street, just north of the TSBD, he saw a man "come out of the building and run in the opposite

direction from me... didn't have anything in hands." So, for Worrell here, no rifle apparent on the runner.

But, in between the taking of the affidavit and its final form--in the Commission Exhibits--a funny thing happened. Taking Worrell's affidavit, "at about 5pm", on the 23rd, Det. R.L. Anderton wrote that, from the "north side of the TSBD... [Worrell]

saw "a man run out of the building in a southerly direction. He said when he got home and saw pictures of Lee Harvey Oswald in the newspapers and on television, he recognized him as the man he saw run from the building." (CE 2003 p185)

Now, take a look at Worrell's affidavit--Commission Exhibit No. 2003, page 69. The name of the man that he recognized, that he "saw run from the building"... not there. In fact, there's no name at all. We know that Anderton took it down. But it's not

there in CE 2003. There is just an impersonal reference to a "w/m". "Oswald" expunged. The Long Arm of the Law, Rewrite Dept.

This is just the beginning of the weaning of Oswald from Worrell's narrative. On 11/30/63, Worrell told the FBI that he got a "profile view" of the man behind the TSBD and that he "felt [Oswald] was the person he had seen." But the next year he told

the Commission that he "didn't see his face. I just saw the back of his head." It hardly seems likely that Worrell didn't get a glimpse of the running man's face, first running north out of the building, then turning south down Houston, "along the side
of the depository building" (v2p196). Worrell changed his mind? No--the altered affidavit confirms that Worrell's mind was being changed for him.

First, the rifle disappears, then "Oswald" disappears, twice. Actually, the first disappearance would have been the identification of Sawyer's unidentified witness. But, based on the subsequent disappearances, it seems safe to assume that that "

unidentified" witness was... Worrell. Safer than to assume that there were TWO witnesses to Oswald rushing out the rear of the building--and that Worrell somehow didn't see the other, unidentified witness. So, the sequence of disappearing names: "Worrell"
from Sawyer's report... "Oswald" from Worrell's affidavit... and "Oswald" from Worrell's testimony.

In and of themselves, these disappearing acts may or may not be that significant. To put the best light on it, they may just have been a case of DPD personnel trying to save face, after invoking the specter of a man with a rifle running out the back

door of the depository at 12:33. Exposed, they could have sputtered, "Well, no one saw him inside the building with a rifle at 12:33--ask Allman", etc., till the cows came home. But the cows, or horses, would already have long been out of the barn by
that time... So the DPD simply suppressed the story. Obviously, they did not want to deal with the complication of having Oswald connected with the back-door rifle, fictitious or not. But the pesky Worrell kept bringing him up.

The simple fact of the altered affidavit, however, is quite significant, in one way--an illustrative way. It shows, clearly and concisely, both the before and the after of how the DPD could suppress information. It shows, in short, the DPD M.O. It's

a little skeleton key to the JFK assassination.

dcw

That's very good. Reid deserves her own video, I think. She was also used to defend Jackie's hat action at the turn from Main onto Houston. She was a multipurpose witness. R.L. Anderton? I'll have to look into that. You seem to be insisting that

Worrell was actually there on the day of the assassination, but I can overlook that.

Well, somebody using Worrell's name was actually there--5'8" to 5'10", 155-165, late 20s early 30s. 12:44pm picks up the high number from those estimates.

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On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 12:32:18 PM UTC-4, Donald Willis wrote:

On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 10:19:47 PM UTC-7, NoTrueFlags Here wrote:

On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 12:43:37 AM UTC-4, Donald Willis wrote:

James Worrell and the Magic Affidavit

"An unidentified individual told Insp. J.H. Sawyer that he had seen an individual run from the TSBD building shortly after the shooting of Pres. Kennedy and that this individual was an unknown white male, approximately 30, slender build, 5'10", 165

pounds, carrying what looked to be a 30:30, or some type of Winchester rifle. Insp. Sawyer then contacted Dallas Police Sgt. G.D. Henslee, radio dispatcher, and this description was broadcast to all Dallas squad cars." -- dispatch to "Director, FBI",
from Dallas FBI office. (courtesy of SkyThrone, alt.conspiracy.jfk, 9/3/23)

Of course, the Dallas Police Dept. could never admit that their actual Dealey star witness--who provided them with the 12:44 suspect description--was someone who stated that he had seen Oswald BEHIND THE DEPOSITORY, WITH A RIFLE, AFTER 12:30, on 11/

22/63. His observations were broadcast and re-broadcast, live, and could not be taken back. DPD did the next best thing and attached the suspect description, none too credibly, to witness Howard Brennan: The latter thought that the suspect was "standing"
as he shot from the "sniper's nest" (Warren Commission hearings v3p144), hence the cockamamie (at least from his vantage point) height and weight specs. But Brennan did see a rifle, and that's all that was needed.

Downplaying of back-of-the-depository activity began that same day, with TSBD employee Mrs. R.A. Reid, who wrote, in an affidavit, that Oswald came through her office shortly after the shooting. At the Commission hearings, Counsel David Belin asked

her, "How would he have gotten out of the office?" Mrs. Reid: "Right straight out this door down this stairway and out the front door." (v3p278) (Note that she is more than helpful--she has Oswald all the way out the building, not just the office.) She
told Belin that Oswald was wearing "a white T-shirt and some kind of wash trousers" (p276). However, Patrolman M.L. Baker--who had just encountered Oswald in the next room--wrote in his same-day affidavit that he was "wearing a light brown jacket". Mrs.
Reid may have been thinking of Oswald's usual office attire. (As per James Jarman: "Oswald usually worked in a white tee-shirt". [12/5/63 FBI interview])

Who to believe? TSBD secretary Geneva Hine, when asked by Counsel Joseph Ball, "When you came back in [to the same office, after 12:30] did you see Mrs. Reid?" Hine: "No, sir, I don't believe there was a soul in the office when I came back in right

then." (v6p396) Ball asks her, "Were you facing the door [Oswald] is supposed to have left by?" Hine: "Yes, sir." Ball: "Do you recall seeing him?" "No, sir." (p397) Mrs. Reid--supposed witness to Oswald leaving by the front door--caught out by Baker and
Hine.

Further references, the next few days, to an Oswald front-door departure can be found in written accounts of the Oswald interviews (Warren Report pp619, 636). The interviews were not recorded. And if Mrs. Reid's testimony is any indication, the

interview accounts of Oswald's exit route must be deemed, at best, unreliable, too.

However, all sources agree: Three minutes after the shooting, Oswald was downstairs, on the first floor, then out the front or back door. "Out the front door by 12:33"--Warren Report (p155). "Three minutes from the last shot to dialing the

telephone inside the TSBD", after "his encounter with Oswald... inside the TSBD"--Pierce Allman (JFK Facts). Behind the building, it was "approximately three minutes before I saw this man come out the back door here."--James Worrell (v2p195).

On the 23rd, the downplaying of elements in the 12:44 suspect description continued. In his affidavit, witness James Worrell, stated that, from Pacific Street, just north of the TSBD, he saw a man "come out of the building and run in the opposite

direction from me... didn't have anything in hands." So, for Worrell here, no rifle apparent on the runner.

But, in between the taking of the affidavit and its final form--in the Commission Exhibits--a funny thing happened. Taking Worrell's affidavit, "at about 5pm", on the 23rd, Det. R.L. Anderton wrote

I see no "Anderton" on the DPD roster. A couple of Andersons are there, but they are patrolman. The DPD report states who took most of the affidavits, but not Worrell's. Where do you get your Anderton information?

Like I noted, CE 2003 p184. Easier access online may be by using the Hearings volume number: v24 p294. A fuzzy repro. I work from an old but clear photocopy. Not sure why I copied it. Never looked at Worrell's affidavit or testimony much, except for

his "5 or 6 stories up", for obvious reasons.

He is on the roster as a patrolman, but my search function misses his name. Adamcik, apparently his partner, is also listed as a patrolman. Okay.

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On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 12:39:00 PM UTC-4, Donald Willis wrote:

On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 10:06:19 PM UTC-7, NoTrueFlags Here wrote:

On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 12:43:37 AM UTC-4, Donald Willis wrote:

James Worrell and the Magic Affidavit

"An unidentified individual told Insp. J.H. Sawyer that he had seen an individual run from the TSBD building shortly after the shooting of Pres. Kennedy and that this individual was an unknown white male, approximately 30, slender build, 5'10", 165

pounds, carrying what looked to be a 30:30, or some type of Winchester rifle. Insp. Sawyer then contacted Dallas Police Sgt. G.D. Henslee, radio dispatcher, and this description was broadcast to all Dallas squad cars." -- dispatch to "Director, FBI",
from Dallas FBI office. (courtesy of SkyThrone, alt.conspiracy.jfk, 9/3/23)

Of course, the Dallas Police Dept. could never admit that their actual Dealey star witness--who provided them with the 12:44 suspect description--was someone who stated that he had seen Oswald BEHIND THE DEPOSITORY, WITH A RIFLE, AFTER 12:30, on 11/

22/63. His observations were broadcast and re-broadcast, live, and could not be taken back. DPD did the next best thing and attached the suspect description, none too credibly, to witness Howard Brennan: The latter thought that the suspect was "standing"
as he shot from the "sniper's nest" (Warren Commission hearings v3p144), hence the cockamamie (at least from his vantage point) height and weight specs. But Brennan did see a rifle, and that's all that was needed.

Downplaying of back-of-the-depository activity began that same day, with TSBD employee Mrs. R.A. Reid, who wrote, in an affidavit, that Oswald came through her office shortly after the shooting. At the Commission hearings, Counsel David Belin asked

her, "How would he have gotten out of the office?" Mrs. Reid: "Right straight out this door down this stairway and out the front door." (v3p278) (Note that she is more than helpful--she has Oswald all the way out the building, not just the office.) She
told Belin that Oswald was wearing "a white T-shirt and some kind of wash trousers" (p276). However, Patrolman M.L. Baker--who had just encountered Oswald in the next room--wrote in his same-day affidavit that he was "wearing a light brown jacket". Mrs.
Reid may have been thinking of Oswald's usual office attire. (As per James Jarman: "Oswald usually worked in a white tee-shirt". [12/5/63 FBI interview])

Who to believe? TSBD secretary Geneva Hine, when asked by Counsel Joseph Ball, "When you came back in [to the same office, after 12:30] did you see Mrs. Reid?" Hine: "No, sir, I don't believe there was a soul in the office when I came back in right

then." (v6p396) Ball asks her, "Were you facing the door [Oswald] is supposed to have left by?" Hine: "Yes, sir." Ball: "Do you recall seeing him?" "No, sir." (p397) Mrs. Reid--supposed witness to Oswald leaving by the front door--caught out by Baker and
Hine.

Further references, the next few days, to an Oswald front-door departure can be found in written accounts of the Oswald interviews (Warren Report pp619, 636). The interviews were not recorded. And if Mrs. Reid's testimony is any indication, the

interview accounts of Oswald's exit route must be deemed, at best, unreliable, too.

However, all sources agree: Three minutes after the shooting, Oswald was downstairs, on the first floor, then out the front or back door. "Out the front door by 12:33"--Warren Report (p155). "Three minutes from the last shot to dialing the

telephone inside the TSBD", after "his encounter with Oswald... inside the TSBD"--Pierce Allman (JFK Facts). Behind the building, it was "approximately three minutes before I saw this man come out the back door here."--James Worrell (v2p195).

On the 23rd, the downplaying of elements in the 12:44 suspect description continued. In his affidavit, witness James Worrell, stated that, from Pacific Street, just north of the TSBD, he saw a man "come out of the building and run in the opposite

direction from me... didn't have anything in hands." So, for Worrell here, no rifle apparent on the runner.

But, in between the taking of the affidavit and its final form--in the Commission Exhibits--a funny thing happened. Taking Worrell's affidavit, "at about 5pm", on the 23rd, Det. R.L. Anderton wrote that, from the "north side of the TSBD... [Worrell]

saw "a man run out of the building in a southerly direction. He said when he got home and saw pictures of Lee Harvey Oswald in the newspapers and on television, he recognized him as the man he saw run from the building." (CE 2003 p185)

Now, take a look at Worrell's affidavit--Commission Exhibit No. 2003, page 69. The name of the man that he recognized, that he "saw run from the building"... not there. In fact, there's no name at all. We know that Anderton took it down. But it's

not there in CE 2003. There is just an impersonal reference to a "w/m". "Oswald" expunged. The Long Arm of the Law, Rewrite Dept.

This is just the beginning of the weaning of Oswald from Worrell's narrative. On 11/30/63, Worrell told the FBI that he got a "profile view" of the man behind the TSBD and that he "felt [Oswald] was the person he had seen." But the next year he

told the Commission that he "didn't see his face. I just saw the back of his head." It hardly seems likely that Worrell didn't get a glimpse of the running man's face, first running north out of the building, then turning south down Houston, "along the
side of the depository building" (v2p196). Worrell changed his mind? No--the altered affidavit confirms that Worrell's mind was being changed for him.

First, the rifle disappears, then "Oswald" disappears, twice. Actually, the first disappearance would have been the identification of Sawyer's unidentified witness. But, based on the subsequent disappearances, it seems safe to assume that that "

unidentified" witness was... Worrell. Safer than to assume that there were TWO witnesses to Oswald rushing out the rear of the building--and that Worrell somehow didn't see the other, unidentified witness. So, the sequence of disappearing names: "Worrell"
from Sawyer's report... "Oswald" from Worrell's affidavit... and "Oswald" from Worrell's testimony.

In and of themselves, these disappearing acts may or may not be that significant. To put the best light on it, they may just have been a case of DPD personnel trying to save face, after invoking the specter of a man with a rifle running out the

back door of the depository at 12:33. Exposed, they could have sputtered, "Well, no one saw him inside the building with a rifle at 12:33--ask Allman", etc., till the cows came home. But the cows, or horses, would already have long been out of the barn
by that time... So the DPD simply suppressed the story. Obviously, they did not want to deal with the complication of having Oswald connected with the back-door rifle, fictitious or not. But the pesky Worrell kept bringing him up.

The simple fact of the altered affidavit, however, is quite significant, in one way--an illustrative way. It shows, clearly and concisely, both the before and the after of how the DPD could suppress information. It shows, in short, the DPD M.O. It'

s a little skeleton key to the JFK assassination.

dcw

That's very good. Reid deserves her own video, I think. She was also used to defend Jackie's hat action at the turn from Main onto Houston. She was a multipurpose witness. R.L. Anderton? I'll have to look into that. You seem to be insisting that

Worrell was actually there on the day of the assassination, but I can overlook that.

Well, somebody using Worrell's name was actually there--5'8" to 5'10", 155-165, late 20s early 30s. 12:44pm picks up the high number from those estimates.

But Sawyer did not get a name, so we don't know that anybody was using Worrell's name on November 22. Yes, by November 23 somebody was using his name.

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On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 10:20:54 AM UTC-7, NoTrueFlags Here wrote:

On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 12:39:00 PM UTC-4, Donald Willis wrote:

On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 10:06:19 PM UTC-7, NoTrueFlags Here wrote:

On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 12:43:37 AM UTC-4, Donald Willis wrote:

James Worrell and the Magic Affidavit

"An unidentified individual told Insp. J.H. Sawyer that he had seen an individual run from the TSBD building shortly after the shooting of Pres. Kennedy and that this individual was an unknown white male, approximately 30, slender build, 5'10",

165 pounds, carrying what looked to be a 30:30, or some type of Winchester rifle. Insp. Sawyer then contacted Dallas Police Sgt. G.D. Henslee, radio dispatcher, and this description was broadcast to all Dallas squad cars." -- dispatch to "Director, FBI",
from Dallas FBI office. (courtesy of SkyThrone, alt.conspiracy.jfk, 9/3/23)

Of course, the Dallas Police Dept. could never admit that their actual Dealey star witness--who provided them with the 12:44 suspect description--was someone who stated that he had seen Oswald BEHIND THE DEPOSITORY, WITH A RIFLE, AFTER 12:30, on

11/22/63. His observations were broadcast and re-broadcast, live, and could not be taken back. DPD did the next best thing and attached the suspect description, none too credibly, to witness Howard Brennan: The latter thought that the suspect was "
standing" as he shot from the "sniper's nest" (Warren Commission hearings v3p144), hence the cockamamie (at least from his vantage point) height and weight specs. But Brennan did see a rifle, and that's all that was needed.

Downplaying of back-of-the-depository activity began that same day, with TSBD employee Mrs. R.A. Reid, who wrote, in an affidavit, that Oswald came through her office shortly after the shooting. At the Commission hearings, Counsel David Belin

asked her, "How would he have gotten out of the office?" Mrs. Reid: "Right straight out this door down this stairway and out the front door." (v3p278) (Note that she is more than helpful--she has Oswald all the way out the building, not just the office.)
She told Belin that Oswald was wearing "a white T-shirt and some kind of wash trousers" (p276). However, Patrolman M.L. Baker--who had just encountered Oswald in the next room--wrote in his same-day affidavit that he was "wearing a light brown jacket".
Mrs. Reid may have been thinking of Oswald's usual office attire. (As per James Jarman: "Oswald usually worked in a white tee-shirt". [12/5/63 FBI interview])

Who to believe? TSBD secretary Geneva Hine, when asked by Counsel Joseph Ball, "When you came back in [to the same office, after 12:30] did you see Mrs. Reid?" Hine: "No, sir, I don't believe there was a soul in the office when I came back in

right then." (v6p396) Ball asks her, "Were you facing the door [Oswald] is supposed to have left by?" Hine: "Yes, sir." Ball: "Do you recall seeing him?" "No, sir." (p397) Mrs. Reid--supposed witness to Oswald leaving by the front door--caught out by
Baker and Hine.

Further references, the next few days, to an Oswald front-door departure can be found in written accounts of the Oswald interviews (Warren Report pp619, 636). The interviews were not recorded. And if Mrs. Reid's testimony is any indication, the

interview accounts of Oswald's exit route must be deemed, at best, unreliable, too.

However, all sources agree: Three minutes after the shooting, Oswald was downstairs, on the first floor, then out the front or back door. "Out the front door by 12:33"--Warren Report (p155). "Three minutes from the last shot to dialing the

telephone inside the TSBD", after "his encounter with Oswald... inside the TSBD"--Pierce Allman (JFK Facts). Behind the building, it was "approximately three minutes before I saw this man come out the back door here."--James Worrell (v2p195).

On the 23rd, the downplaying of elements in the 12:44 suspect description continued. In his affidavit, witness James Worrell, stated that, from Pacific Street, just north of the TSBD, he saw a man "come out of the building and run in the opposite

direction from me... didn't have anything in hands." So, for Worrell here, no rifle apparent on the runner.

But, in between the taking of the affidavit and its final form--in the Commission Exhibits--a funny thing happened. Taking Worrell's affidavit, "at about 5pm", on the 23rd, Det. R.L. Anderton wrote that, from the "north side of the TSBD... [

Worrell] saw "a man run out of the building in a southerly direction. He said when he got home and saw pictures of Lee Harvey Oswald in the newspapers and on television, he recognized him as the man he saw run from the building." (CE 2003 p185)

Now, take a look at Worrell's affidavit--Commission Exhibit No. 2003, page 69. The name of the man that he recognized, that he "saw run from the building"... not there. In fact, there's no name at all. We know that Anderton took it down. But it's

not there in CE 2003. There is just an impersonal reference to a "w/m". "Oswald" expunged. The Long Arm of the Law, Rewrite Dept.

This is just the beginning of the weaning of Oswald from Worrell's narrative. On 11/30/63, Worrell told the FBI that he got a "profile view" of the man behind the TSBD and that he "felt [Oswald] was the person he had seen." But the next year he

told the Commission that he "didn't see his face. I just saw the back of his head." It hardly seems likely that Worrell didn't get a glimpse of the running man's face, first running north out of the building, then turning south down Houston, "along the
side of the depository building" (v2p196). Worrell changed his mind? No--the altered affidavit confirms that Worrell's mind was being changed for him.

First, the rifle disappears, then "Oswald" disappears, twice. Actually, the first disappearance would have been the identification of Sawyer's unidentified witness. But, based on the subsequent disappearances, it seems safe to assume that that "

unidentified" witness was... Worrell. Safer than to assume that there were TWO witnesses to Oswald rushing out the rear of the building--and that Worrell somehow didn't see the other, unidentified witness. So, the sequence of disappearing names: "Worrell"
from Sawyer's report... "Oswald" from Worrell's affidavit... and "Oswald" from Worrell's testimony.

In and of themselves, these disappearing acts may or may not be that significant. To put the best light on it, they may just have been a case of DPD personnel trying to save face, after invoking the specter of a man with a rifle running out the

back door of the depository at 12:33. Exposed, they could have sputtered, "Well, no one saw him inside the building with a rifle at 12:33--ask Allman", etc., till the cows came home. But the cows, or horses, would already have long been out of the barn
by that time... So the DPD simply suppressed the story. Obviously, they did not want to deal with the complication of having Oswald connected with the back-door rifle, fictitious or not. But the pesky Worrell kept bringing him up.

The simple fact of the altered affidavit, however, is quite significant, in one way--an illustrative way. It shows, clearly and concisely, both the before and the after of how the DPD could suppress information. It shows, in short, the DPD M.O.

It's a little skeleton key to the JFK assassination.

dcw

That's very good. Reid deserves her own video, I think. She was also used to defend Jackie's hat action at the turn from Main onto Houston. She was a multipurpose witness. R.L. Anderton? I'll have to look into that. You seem to be insisting that

Worrell was actually there on the day of the assassination, but I can overlook that.

Well, somebody using Worrell's name was actually there--5'8" to 5'10", 155-165, late 20s early 30s. 12:44pm picks up the high number from those estimates.

But Sawyer did not get a name

Let's be precise--Sawyer did not SAY that he got a name. I'm sure he did. I bet Fritz was upset with him that day--putting Oswald with a rifle behind the building AND, earlier, on the 5th/3rd floor. Could he have CAUSED Fritz any more headaches? (in
my best Chandler impression)

dcw


so we don't know that anybody was using Worrell's name on November 22. Yes, by November 23 somebody was using his name. And giving good specs, at least as good as Baker.

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On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 10:19:39 AM UTC-7, NoTrueFlags Here wrote:

On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 12:32:18 PM UTC-4, Donald Willis wrote:

On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 10:19:47 PM UTC-7, NoTrueFlags Here wrote:

On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 12:43:37 AM UTC-4, Donald Willis wrote:

James Worrell and the Magic Affidavit

"An unidentified individual told Insp. J.H. Sawyer that he had seen an individual run from the TSBD building shortly after the shooting of Pres. Kennedy and that this individual was an unknown white male, approximately 30, slender build, 5'10",

165 pounds, carrying what looked to be a 30:30, or some type of Winchester rifle. Insp. Sawyer then contacted Dallas Police Sgt. G.D. Henslee, radio dispatcher, and this description was broadcast to all Dallas squad cars." -- dispatch to "Director, FBI",
from Dallas FBI office. (courtesy of SkyThrone, alt.conspiracy.jfk, 9/3/23)

Of course, the Dallas Police Dept. could never admit that their actual Dealey star witness--who provided them with the 12:44 suspect description--was someone who stated that he had seen Oswald BEHIND THE DEPOSITORY, WITH A RIFLE, AFTER 12:30, on

11/22/63. His observations were broadcast and re-broadcast, live, and could not be taken back. DPD did the next best thing and attached the suspect description, none too credibly, to witness Howard Brennan: The latter thought that the suspect was "
standing" as he shot from the "sniper's nest" (Warren Commission hearings v3p144), hence the cockamamie (at least from his vantage point) height and weight specs. But Brennan did see a rifle, and that's all that was needed.

Downplaying of back-of-the-depository activity began that same day, with TSBD employee Mrs. R.A. Reid, who wrote, in an affidavit, that Oswald came through her office shortly after the shooting. At the Commission hearings, Counsel David Belin

asked her, "How would he have gotten out of the office?" Mrs. Reid: "Right straight out this door down this stairway and out the front door." (v3p278) (Note that she is more than helpful--she has Oswald all the way out the building, not just the office.)
She told Belin that Oswald was wearing "a white T-shirt and some kind of wash trousers" (p276). However, Patrolman M.L. Baker--who had just encountered Oswald in the next room--wrote in his same-day affidavit that he was "wearing a light brown jacket".
Mrs. Reid may have been thinking of Oswald's usual office attire. (As per James Jarman: "Oswald usually worked in a white tee-shirt". [12/5/63 FBI interview])

Who to believe? TSBD secretary Geneva Hine, when asked by Counsel Joseph Ball, "When you came back in [to the same office, after 12:30] did you see Mrs. Reid?" Hine: "No, sir, I don't believe there was a soul in the office when I came back in

right then." (v6p396) Ball asks her, "Were you facing the door [Oswald] is supposed to have left by?" Hine: "Yes, sir." Ball: "Do you recall seeing him?" "No, sir." (p397) Mrs. Reid--supposed witness to Oswald leaving by the front door--caught out by
Baker and Hine.

Further references, the next few days, to an Oswald front-door departure can be found in written accounts of the Oswald interviews (Warren Report pp619, 636). The interviews were not recorded. And if Mrs. Reid's testimony is any indication, the

interview accounts of Oswald's exit route must be deemed, at best, unreliable, too.

However, all sources agree: Three minutes after the shooting, Oswald was downstairs, on the first floor, then out the front or back door. "Out the front door by 12:33"--Warren Report (p155). "Three minutes from the last shot to dialing the

telephone inside the TSBD", after "his encounter with Oswald... inside the TSBD"--Pierce Allman (JFK Facts). Behind the building, it was "approximately three minutes before I saw this man come out the back door here."--James Worrell (v2p195).

On the 23rd, the downplaying of elements in the 12:44 suspect description continued. In his affidavit, witness James Worrell, stated that, from Pacific Street, just north of the TSBD, he saw a man "come out of the building and run in the opposite

direction from me... didn't have anything in hands." So, for Worrell here, no rifle apparent on the runner.

But, in between the taking of the affidavit and its final form--in the Commission Exhibits--a funny thing happened. Taking Worrell's affidavit, "at about 5pm", on the 23rd, Det. R.L. Anderton wrote

I see no "Anderton" on the DPD roster. A couple of Andersons are there, but they are patrolman. The DPD report states who took most of the affidavits, but not Worrell's. Where do you get your Anderton information?

Like I noted, CE 2003 p184. Easier access online may be by using the Hearings volume number: v24 p294. A fuzzy repro. I work from an old but clear photocopy. Not sure why I copied it. Never looked at Worrell's affidavit or testimony much, except for

his "5 or 6 stories up", for obvious reasons.

He is on the roster as a patrolman, but my search function misses his name. Adamcik, apparently his partner, is also listed as a patrolman. Okay.

Yes. I happen to have a copy of DPD Second Platoon staff. Why? Because Leonard L. (2nd window from the end) Hill is one of its patrolmen. Also in the platoon: Joe Poe and James W. (5th or 6th floor) Valentine! And Kenneth L. Anderton, listed just
below Adamcik. (Did they do partnering alphabetically?) Well, I worked from not THAT clear a copy I guess--I thought his initial initial was an "R", not a "K", which looking closely I now see that it's a "K". I also see that William G. (Bob Jackson
saw everything) Jennings was one of their sergeants. An excellent platoon...

dcw

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On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 12:37:57 PM UTC-7, Donald Willis wrote:

On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 10:20:54 AM UTC-7, NoTrueFlags Here wrote:

On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 12:39:00 PM UTC-4, Donald Willis wrote:

On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 10:06:19 PM UTC-7, NoTrueFlags Here wrote:

On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 12:43:37 AM UTC-4, Donald Willis wrote:

James Worrell and the Magic Affidavit

"An unidentified individual told Insp. J.H. Sawyer that he had seen an individual run from the TSBD building shortly after the shooting of Pres. Kennedy and that this individual was an unknown white male, approximately 30, slender build, 5'10",

165 pounds, carrying what looked to be a 30:30, or some type of Winchester rifle. Insp. Sawyer then contacted Dallas Police Sgt. G.D. Henslee, radio dispatcher, and this description was broadcast to all Dallas squad cars." -- dispatch to "Director, FBI",
from Dallas FBI office. (courtesy of SkyThrone, alt.conspiracy.jfk, 9/3/23)

Of course, the Dallas Police Dept. could never admit that their actual Dealey star witness--who provided them with the 12:44 suspect description--was someone who stated that he had seen Oswald BEHIND THE DEPOSITORY, WITH A RIFLE, AFTER 12:30,

on 11/22/63. His observations were broadcast and re-broadcast, live, and could not be taken back. DPD did the next best thing and attached the suspect description, none too credibly, to witness Howard Brennan: The latter thought that the suspect was "
standing" as he shot from the "sniper's nest" (Warren Commission hearings v3p144), hence the cockamamie (at least from his vantage point) height and weight specs. But Brennan did see a rifle, and that's all that was needed.

Downplaying of back-of-the-depository activity began that same day, with TSBD employee Mrs. R.A. Reid, who wrote, in an affidavit, that Oswald came through her office shortly after the shooting. At the Commission hearings, Counsel David Belin

asked her, "How would he have gotten out of the office?" Mrs. Reid: "Right straight out this door down this stairway and out the front door." (v3p278) (Note that she is more than helpful--she has Oswald all the way out the building, not just the office.)
She told Belin that Oswald was wearing "a white T-shirt and some kind of wash trousers" (p276). However, Patrolman M.L. Baker--who had just encountered Oswald in the next room--wrote in his same-day affidavit that he was "wearing a light brown jacket".
Mrs. Reid may have been thinking of Oswald's usual office attire. (As per James Jarman: "Oswald usually worked in a white tee-shirt". [12/5/63 FBI interview])

Who to believe? TSBD secretary Geneva Hine, when asked by Counsel Joseph Ball, "When you came back in [to the same office, after 12:30] did you see Mrs. Reid?" Hine: "No, sir, I don't believe there was a soul in the office when I came back in

right then." (v6p396) Ball asks her, "Were you facing the door [Oswald] is supposed to have left by?" Hine: "Yes, sir." Ball: "Do you recall seeing him?" "No, sir." (p397) Mrs. Reid--supposed witness to Oswald leaving by the front door--caught out by
Baker and Hine.

Further references, the next few days, to an Oswald front-door departure can be found in written accounts of the Oswald interviews (Warren Report pp619, 636). The interviews were not recorded. And if Mrs. Reid's testimony is any indication, the

interview accounts of Oswald's exit route must be deemed, at best, unreliable, too.

However, all sources agree: Three minutes after the shooting, Oswald was downstairs, on the first floor, then out the front or back door. "Out the front door by 12:33"--Warren Report (p155). "Three minutes from the last shot to dialing the

telephone inside the TSBD", after "his encounter with Oswald... inside the TSBD"--Pierce Allman (JFK Facts). Behind the building, it was "approximately three minutes before I saw this man come out the back door here."--James Worrell (v2p195).

On the 23rd, the downplaying of elements in the 12:44 suspect description continued. In his affidavit, witness James Worrell, stated that, from Pacific Street, just north of the TSBD, he saw a man "come out of the building and run in the

opposite direction from me... didn't have anything in hands." So, for Worrell here, no rifle apparent on the runner.

But, in between the taking of the affidavit and its final form--in the Commission Exhibits--a funny thing happened. Taking Worrell's affidavit, "at about 5pm", on the 23rd, Det. R.L. Anderton wrote that, from the "north side of the TSBD... [

Worrell] saw "a man run out of the building in a southerly direction. He said when he got home and saw pictures of Lee Harvey Oswald in the newspapers and on television, he recognized him as the man he saw run from the building." (CE 2003 p185)

Now, take a look at Worrell's affidavit--Commission Exhibit No. 2003, page 69. The name of the man that he recognized, that he "saw run from the building"... not there. In fact, there's no name at all. We know that Anderton took it down. But it'

s not there in CE 2003. There is just an impersonal reference to a "w/m". "Oswald" expunged. The Long Arm of the Law, Rewrite Dept.

This is just the beginning of the weaning of Oswald from Worrell's narrative. On 11/30/63, Worrell told the FBI that he got a "profile view" of the man behind the TSBD and that he "felt [Oswald] was the person he had seen." But the next year he

told the Commission that he "didn't see his face. I just saw the back of his head." It hardly seems likely that Worrell didn't get a glimpse of the running man's face, first running north out of the building, then turning south down Houston, "along the
side of the depository building" (v2p196). Worrell changed his mind? No--the altered affidavit confirms that Worrell's mind was being changed for him.

First, the rifle disappears, then "Oswald" disappears, twice. Actually, the first disappearance would have been the identification of Sawyer's unidentified witness. But, based on the subsequent disappearances, it seems safe to assume that that "

unidentified" witness was... Worrell. Safer than to assume that there were TWO witnesses to Oswald rushing out the rear of the building--and that Worrell somehow didn't see the other, unidentified witness. So, the sequence of disappearing names: "Worrell"
from Sawyer's report... "Oswald" from Worrell's affidavit... and "Oswald" from Worrell's testimony.

In and of themselves, these disappearing acts may or may not be that significant. To put the best light on it, they may just have been a case of DPD personnel trying to save face, after invoking the specter of a man with a rifle running out the

back door of the depository at 12:33. Exposed, they could have sputtered, "Well, no one saw him inside the building with a rifle at 12:33--ask Allman", etc., till the cows came home. But the cows, or horses, would already have long been out of the barn
by that time... So the DPD simply suppressed the story. Obviously, they did not want to deal with the complication of having Oswald connected with the back-door rifle, fictitious or not. But the pesky Worrell kept bringing him up.

The simple fact of the altered affidavit, however, is quite significant, in one way--an illustrative way. It shows, clearly and concisely, both the before and the after of how the DPD could suppress information. It shows, in short, the DPD M.O.

It's a little skeleton key to the JFK assassination.

dcw

That's very good. Reid deserves her own video, I think. She was also used to defend Jackie's hat action at the turn from Main onto Houston. She was a multipurpose witness. R.L. Anderton? I'll have to look into that. You seem to be insisting that

Worrell was actually there on the day of the assassination, but I can overlook that.

Well, somebody using Worrell's name was actually there--5'8" to 5'10", 155-165, late 20s early 30s. 12:44pm picks up the high number from those estimates.

But Sawyer did not get a name

Let's be precise--Sawyer did not SAY that he got a name. I'm sure he did. I bet Fritz was upset with him that day--putting Oswald with a rifle behind the building AND, earlier, on the 5th/3rd floor. Could he have CAUSED Fritz any more headaches? (in my

best Chandler impression)

dcw

so we don't know that anybody was using Worrell's name on November 22. Yes, by November 23 somebody was using his name.

(there should have been a new paragraph here)
And giving good specs, at least as good as Baker.

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On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 12:37:57 PM UTC-7, Donald Willis wrote:

On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 10:20:54 AM UTC-7, NoTrueFlags Here wrote:

On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 12:39:00 PM UTC-4, Donald Willis wrote:

On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 10:06:19 PM UTC-7, NoTrueFlags Here wrote:

On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 12:43:37 AM UTC-4, Donald Willis wrote:

James Worrell and the Magic Affidavit

"An unidentified individual told Insp. J.H. Sawyer that he had seen an individual run from the TSBD building shortly after the shooting of Pres. Kennedy and that this individual was an unknown white male, approximately 30, slender build, 5'10"

, 165 pounds, carrying what looked to be a 30:30, or some type of Winchester rifle. Insp. Sawyer then contacted Dallas Police Sgt. G.D. Henslee, radio dispatcher, and this description was broadcast to all Dallas squad cars." -- dispatch to "Director, FBI"
, from Dallas FBI office. (courtesy of SkyThrone, alt.conspiracy.jfk, 9/3/23)

Of course, the Dallas Police Dept. could never admit that their actual Dealey star witness--who provided them with the 12:44 suspect description--was someone who stated that he had seen Oswald BEHIND THE DEPOSITORY, WITH A RIFLE, AFTER 12:30,

on 11/22/63. His observations were broadcast and re-broadcast, live, and could not be taken back. DPD did the next best thing and attached the suspect description, none too credibly, to witness Howard Brennan: The latter thought that the suspect was "
standing" as he shot from the "sniper's nest" (Warren Commission hearings v3p144), hence the cockamamie (at least from his vantage point) height and weight specs. But Brennan did see a rifle, and that's all that was needed.

Downplaying of back-of-the-depository activity began that same day, with TSBD employee Mrs. R.A. Reid, who wrote, in an affidavit, that Oswald came through her office shortly after the shooting. At the Commission hearings, Counsel David Belin

asked her, "How would he have gotten out of the office?" Mrs. Reid: "Right straight out this door down this stairway and out the front door." (v3p278) (Note that she is more than helpful--she has Oswald all the way out the building, not just the office.)
She told Belin that Oswald was wearing "a white T-shirt and some kind of wash trousers" (p276). However, Patrolman M.L. Baker--who had just encountered Oswald in the next room--wrote in his same-day affidavit that he was "wearing a light brown jacket".
Mrs. Reid may have been thinking of Oswald's usual office attire. (As per James Jarman: "Oswald usually worked in a white tee-shirt". [12/5/63 FBI interview])

Who to believe? TSBD secretary Geneva Hine, when asked by Counsel Joseph Ball, "When you came back in [to the same office, after 12:30] did you see Mrs. Reid?" Hine: "No, sir, I don't believe there was a soul in the office when I came back in

right then." (v6p396) Ball asks her, "Were you facing the door [Oswald] is supposed to have left by?" Hine: "Yes, sir." Ball: "Do you recall seeing him?" "No, sir." (p397) Mrs. Reid--supposed witness to Oswald leaving by the front door--caught out by
Baker and Hine.

Further references, the next few days, to an Oswald front-door departure can be found in written accounts of the Oswald interviews (Warren Report pp619, 636). The interviews were not recorded. And if Mrs. Reid's testimony is any indication,

the interview accounts of Oswald's exit route must be deemed, at best, unreliable, too.

However, all sources agree: Three minutes after the shooting, Oswald was downstairs, on the first floor, then out the front or back door. "Out the front door by 12:33"--Warren Report (p155). "Three minutes from the last shot to dialing the

telephone inside the TSBD", after "his encounter with Oswald... inside the TSBD"--Pierce Allman (JFK Facts). Behind the building, it was "approximately three minutes before I saw this man come out the back door here."--James Worrell (v2p195).

On the 23rd, the downplaying of elements in the 12:44 suspect description continued. In his affidavit, witness James Worrell, stated that, from Pacific Street, just north of the TSBD, he saw a man "come out of the building and run in the

opposite direction from me... didn't have anything in hands." So, for Worrell here, no rifle apparent on the runner.

But, in between the taking of the affidavit and its final form--in the Commission Exhibits--a funny thing happened. Taking Worrell's affidavit, "at about 5pm", on the 23rd, Det. R.L. Anderton wrote that, from the "north side of the TSBD... [

Worrell] saw "a man run out of the building in a southerly direction. He said when he got home and saw pictures of Lee Harvey Oswald in the newspapers and on television, he recognized him as the man he saw run from the building." (CE 2003 p185)

Now, take a look at Worrell's affidavit--Commission Exhibit No. 2003, page 69. The name of the man that he recognized, that he "saw run from the building"... not there. In fact, there's no name at all. We know that Anderton took it down. But

it's not there in CE 2003. There is just an impersonal reference to a "w/m". "Oswald" expunged. The Long Arm of the Law, Rewrite Dept.

This is just the beginning of the weaning of Oswald from Worrell's narrative. On 11/30/63, Worrell told the FBI that he got a "profile view" of the man behind the TSBD and that he "felt [Oswald] was the person he had seen." But the next year

he told the Commission that he "didn't see his face. I just saw the back of his head." It hardly seems likely that Worrell didn't get a glimpse of the running man's face, first running north out of the building, then turning south down Houston, "along
the side of the depository building" (v2p196). Worrell changed his mind? No--the altered affidavit confirms that Worrell's mind was being changed for him.

First, the rifle disappears, then "Oswald" disappears, twice. Actually, the first disappearance would have been the identification of Sawyer's unidentified witness. But, based on the subsequent disappearances, it seems safe to assume that

that "unidentified" witness was... Worrell. Safer than to assume that there were TWO witnesses to Oswald rushing out the rear of the building--and that Worrell somehow didn't see the other, unidentified witness. So, the sequence of disappearing names: "
Worrell" from Sawyer's report... "Oswald" from Worrell's affidavit... and "Oswald" from Worrell's testimony.

In and of themselves, these disappearing acts may or may not be that significant. To put the best light on it, they may just have been a case of DPD personnel trying to save face, after invoking the specter of a man with a rifle running out

the back door of the depository at 12:33. Exposed, they could have sputtered, "Well, no one saw him inside the building with a rifle at 12:33--ask Allman", etc., till the cows came home. But the cows, or horses, would already have long been out of the
barn by that time... So the DPD simply suppressed the story. Obviously, they did not want to deal with the complication of having Oswald connected with the back-door rifle, fictitious or not. But the pesky Worrell kept bringing him up.

The simple fact of the altered affidavit, however, is quite significant, in one way--an illustrative way. It shows, clearly and concisely, both the before and the after of how the DPD could suppress information. It shows, in short, the DPD M.

O. It's a little skeleton key to the JFK assassination.

dcw

That's very good. Reid deserves her own video, I think. She was also used to defend Jackie's hat action at the turn from Main onto Houston. She was a multipurpose witness. R.L. Anderton? I'll have to look into that. You seem to be insisting

that Worrell was actually there on the day of the assassination, but I can overlook that.

Well, somebody using Worrell's name was actually there--5'8" to 5'10", 155-165, late 20s early 30s. 12:44pm picks up the high number from those estimates.

But Sawyer did not get a name

Let's be precise--Sawyer did not SAY that he got a name. I'm sure he did. I bet Fritz was upset with him that day--putting Oswald with a rifle behind the building AND, earlier, on the 5th/3rd floor. Could he have CAUSED Fritz any more headaches? (in

my best Chandler impression)

dcw

so we don't know that anybody was using Worrell's name on November 22. Yes, by November 23 somebody was using his name.

(there should have been a new paragraph here)
And giving good specs, at least as good as Baker.

I see you're tearing off their heads on the Ed Forum! Very exciting reading!

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On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 12:42:43 PM UTC-7, NoTrueFlags Here wrote:

On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 3:39:03 PM UTC-4, Donald Willis wrote:

On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 12:37:57 PM UTC-7, Donald Willis wrote:

On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 10:20:54 AM UTC-7, NoTrueFlags Here wrote:

On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 12:39:00 PM UTC-4, Donald Willis wrote:

On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 10:06:19 PM UTC-7, NoTrueFlags Here wrote:

On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 12:43:37 AM UTC-4, Donald Willis wrote:

James Worrell and the Magic Affidavit

"An unidentified individual told Insp. J.H. Sawyer that he had seen an individual run from the TSBD building shortly after the shooting of Pres. Kennedy and that this individual was an unknown white male, approximately 30, slender build, 5'

10", 165 pounds, carrying what looked to be a 30:30, or some type of Winchester rifle. Insp. Sawyer then contacted Dallas Police Sgt. G.D. Henslee, radio dispatcher, and this description was broadcast to all Dallas squad cars." -- dispatch to "Director,
FBI", from Dallas FBI office. (courtesy of SkyThrone, alt.conspiracy.jfk, 9/3/23)

Of course, the Dallas Police Dept. could never admit that their actual Dealey star witness--who provided them with the 12:44 suspect description--was someone who stated that he had seen Oswald BEHIND THE DEPOSITORY, WITH A RIFLE, AFTER 12:

30, on 11/22/63. His observations were broadcast and re-broadcast, live, and could not be taken back. DPD did the next best thing and attached the suspect description, none too credibly, to witness Howard Brennan: The latter thought that the suspect was "
standing" as he shot from the "sniper's nest" (Warren Commission hearings v3p144), hence the cockamamie (at least from his vantage point) height and weight specs. But Brennan did see a rifle, and that's all that was needed.

Downplaying of back-of-the-depository activity began that same day, with TSBD employee Mrs. R.A. Reid, who wrote, in an affidavit, that Oswald came through her office shortly after the shooting. At the Commission hearings, Counsel David

Belin asked her, "How would he have gotten out of the office?" Mrs. Reid: "Right straight out this door down this stairway and out the front door." (v3p278) (Note that she is more than helpful--she has Oswald all the way out the building, not just the
office.) She told Belin that Oswald was wearing "a white T-shirt and some kind of wash trousers" (p276). However, Patrolman M.L. Baker--who had just encountered Oswald in the next room--wrote in his same-day affidavit that he was "wearing a light brown
jacket". Mrs. Reid may have been thinking of Oswald's usual office attire. (As per James Jarman: "Oswald usually worked in a white tee-shirt". [12/5/63 FBI interview])

Who to believe? TSBD secretary Geneva Hine, when asked by Counsel Joseph Ball, "When you came back in [to the same office, after 12:30] did you see Mrs. Reid?" Hine: "No, sir, I don't believe there was a soul in the office when I came back

in right then." (v6p396) Ball asks her, "Were you facing the door [Oswald] is supposed to have left by?" Hine: "Yes, sir." Ball: "Do you recall seeing him?" "No, sir." (p397) Mrs. Reid--supposed witness to Oswald leaving by the front door--caught out by
Baker and Hine.

Further references, the next few days, to an Oswald front-door departure can be found in written accounts of the Oswald interviews (Warren Report pp619, 636). The interviews were not recorded. And if Mrs. Reid's testimony is any indication,

the interview accounts of Oswald's exit route must be deemed, at best, unreliable, too.

However, all sources agree: Three minutes after the shooting, Oswald was downstairs, on the first floor, then out the front or back door. "Out the front door by 12:33"--Warren Report (p155). "Three minutes from the last shot to dialing the

telephone inside the TSBD", after "his encounter with Oswald... inside the TSBD"--Pierce Allman (JFK Facts). Behind the building, it was "approximately three minutes before I saw this man come out the back door here."--James Worrell (v2p195).

On the 23rd, the downplaying of elements in the 12:44 suspect description continued. In his affidavit, witness James Worrell, stated that, from Pacific Street, just north of the TSBD, he saw a man "come out of the building and run in the

opposite direction from me... didn't have anything in hands." So, for Worrell here, no rifle apparent on the runner.

But, in between the taking of the affidavit and its final form--in the Commission Exhibits--a funny thing happened. Taking Worrell's affidavit, "at about 5pm", on the 23rd, Det. R.L. Anderton wrote that, from the "north side of the TSBD... [

Worrell] saw "a man run out of the building in a southerly direction. He said when he got home and saw pictures of Lee Harvey Oswald in the newspapers and on television, he recognized him as the man he saw run from the building." (CE 2003 p185)

Now, take a look at Worrell's affidavit--Commission Exhibit No. 2003, page 69. The name of the man that he recognized, that he "saw run from the building"... not there. In fact, there's no name at all. We know that Anderton took it down.

But it's not there in CE 2003. There is just an impersonal reference to a "w/m". "Oswald" expunged. The Long Arm of the Law, Rewrite Dept.

This is just the beginning of the weaning of Oswald from Worrell's narrative. On 11/30/63, Worrell told the FBI that he got a "profile view" of the man behind the TSBD and that he "felt [Oswald] was the person he had seen." But the next

year he told the Commission that he "didn't see his face. I just saw the back of his head." It hardly seems likely that Worrell didn't get a glimpse of the running man's face, first running north out of the building, then turning south down Houston, "
along the side of the depository building" (v2p196). Worrell changed his mind? No--the altered affidavit confirms that Worrell's mind was being changed for him.

First, the rifle disappears, then "Oswald" disappears, twice. Actually, the first disappearance would have been the identification of Sawyer's unidentified witness. But, based on the subsequent disappearances, it seems safe to assume that

that "unidentified" witness was... Worrell. Safer than to assume that there were TWO witnesses to Oswald rushing out the rear of the building--and that Worrell somehow didn't see the other, unidentified witness. So, the sequence of disappearing names: "
Worrell" from Sawyer's report... "Oswald" from Worrell's affidavit... and "Oswald" from Worrell's testimony.

In and of themselves, these disappearing acts may or may not be that significant. To put the best light on it, they may just have been a case of DPD personnel trying to save face, after invoking the specter of a man with a rifle running out

the back door of the depository at 12:33. Exposed, they could have sputtered, "Well, no one saw him inside the building with a rifle at 12:33--ask Allman", etc., till the cows came home. But the cows, or horses, would already have long been out of the
barn by that time... So the DPD simply suppressed the story. Obviously, they did not want to deal with the complication of having Oswald connected with the back-door rifle, fictitious or not. But the pesky Worrell kept bringing him up.

The simple fact of the altered affidavit, however, is quite significant, in one way--an illustrative way. It shows, clearly and concisely, both the before and the after of how the DPD could suppress information. It shows, in short, the DPD

M.O. It's a little skeleton key to the JFK assassination.

dcw

That's very good. Reid deserves her own video, I think. She was also used to defend Jackie's hat action at the turn from Main onto Houston. She was a multipurpose witness. R.L. Anderton? I'll have to look into that. You seem to be insisting

that Worrell was actually there on the day of the assassination, but I can overlook that.

Well, somebody using Worrell's name was actually there--5'8" to 5'10", 155-165, late 20s early 30s. 12:44pm picks up the high number from those estimates.

But Sawyer did not get a name

Let's be precise--Sawyer did not SAY that he got a name. I'm sure he did. I bet Fritz was upset with him that day--putting Oswald with a rifle behind the building AND, earlier, on the 5th/3rd floor. Could he have CAUSED Fritz any more headaches? (

in my best Chandler impression)

dcw

so we don't know that anybody was using Worrell's name on November 22. Yes, by November 23 somebody was using his name.

(there should have been a new paragraph here)
And giving good specs, at least as good as Baker.

I see you're tearing off their heads on the Ed Forum! Very exciting reading!

I guess I had been referred there a few times for a specific article. But a week or two ago, someone here suggested I begin actually posting there. Had to finish the Worrell thing first...

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On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 12:42:43 PM UTC-7, NoTrueFlags Here wrote:

On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 3:39:03 PM UTC-4, Donald Willis wrote:

On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 12:37:57 PM UTC-7, Donald Willis wrote:

On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 10:20:54 AM UTC-7, NoTrueFlags Here wrote:

On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 12:39:00 PM UTC-4, Donald Willis wrote:

On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 10:06:19 PM UTC-7, NoTrueFlags Here wrote:

On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 12:43:37 AM UTC-4, Donald Willis wrote:

James Worrell and the Magic Affidavit

"An unidentified individual told Insp. J.H. Sawyer that he had seen an individual run from the TSBD building shortly after the shooting of Pres. Kennedy and that this individual was an unknown white male, approximately 30, slender build,

5'10", 165 pounds, carrying what looked to be a 30:30, or some type of Winchester rifle. Insp. Sawyer then contacted Dallas Police Sgt. G.D. Henslee, radio dispatcher, and this description was broadcast to all Dallas squad cars." -- dispatch to "Director,
FBI", from Dallas FBI office. (courtesy of SkyThrone, alt.conspiracy.jfk, 9/3/23)

Of course, the Dallas Police Dept. could never admit that their actual Dealey star witness--who provided them with the 12:44 suspect description--was someone who stated that he had seen Oswald BEHIND THE DEPOSITORY, WITH A RIFLE, AFTER 12:

30, on 11/22/63. His observations were broadcast and re-broadcast, live, and could not be taken back. DPD did the next best thing and attached the suspect description, none too credibly, to witness Howard Brennan: The latter thought that the suspect was "
standing" as he shot from the "sniper's nest" (Warren Commission hearings v3p144), hence the cockamamie (at least from his vantage point) height and weight specs. But Brennan did see a rifle, and that's all that was needed.

Downplaying of back-of-the-depository activity began that same day, with TSBD employee Mrs. R.A. Reid, who wrote, in an affidavit, that Oswald came through her office shortly after the shooting. At the Commission hearings, Counsel David

Belin asked her, "How would he have gotten out of the office?" Mrs. Reid: "Right straight out this door down this stairway and out the front door." (v3p278) (Note that she is more than helpful--she has Oswald all the way out the building, not just the
office.) She told Belin that Oswald was wearing "a white T-shirt and some kind of wash trousers" (p276). However, Patrolman M.L. Baker--who had just encountered Oswald in the next room--wrote in his same-day affidavit that he was "wearing a light brown
jacket". Mrs. Reid may have been thinking of Oswald's usual office attire. (As per James Jarman: "Oswald usually worked in a white tee-shirt". [12/5/63 FBI interview])

Who to believe? TSBD secretary Geneva Hine, when asked by Counsel Joseph Ball, "When you came back in [to the same office, after 12:30] did you see Mrs. Reid?" Hine: "No, sir, I don't believe there was a soul in the office when I came

back in right then." (v6p396) Ball asks her, "Were you facing the door [Oswald] is supposed to have left by?" Hine: "Yes, sir." Ball: "Do you recall seeing him?" "No, sir." (p397) Mrs. Reid--supposed witness to Oswald leaving by the front door--caught
out by Baker and Hine.

Further references, the next few days, to an Oswald front-door departure can be found in written accounts of the Oswald interviews (Warren Report pp619, 636). The interviews were not recorded. And if Mrs. Reid's testimony is any

indication, the interview accounts of Oswald's exit route must be deemed, at best, unreliable, too.

However, all sources agree: Three minutes after the shooting, Oswald was downstairs, on the first floor, then out the front or back door. "Out the front door by 12:33"--Warren Report (p155). "Three minutes from the last shot to dialing

the telephone inside the TSBD", after "his encounter with Oswald... inside the TSBD"--Pierce Allman (JFK Facts). Behind the building, it was "approximately three minutes before I saw this man come out the back door here."--James Worrell (v2p195).

On the 23rd, the downplaying of elements in the 12:44 suspect description continued. In his affidavit, witness James Worrell, stated that, from Pacific Street, just north of the TSBD, he saw a man "come out of the building and run in the

opposite direction from me... didn't have anything in hands." So, for Worrell here, no rifle apparent on the runner.

But, in between the taking of the affidavit and its final form--in the Commission Exhibits--a funny thing happened. Taking Worrell's affidavit, "at about 5pm", on the 23rd, Det. R.L. Anderton wrote that, from the "north side of the TSBD...

[Worrell] saw "a man run out of the building in a southerly direction. He said when he got home and saw pictures of Lee Harvey Oswald in the newspapers and on television, he recognized him as the man he saw run from the building." (CE 2003 p185)

Now, take a look at Worrell's affidavit--Commission Exhibit No. 2003, page 69. The name of the man that he recognized, that he "saw run from the building"... not there. In fact, there's no name at all. We know that Anderton took it down.

But it's not there in CE 2003. There is just an impersonal reference to a "w/m". "Oswald" expunged. The Long Arm of the Law, Rewrite Dept.

This is just the beginning of the weaning of Oswald from Worrell's narrative. On 11/30/63, Worrell told the FBI that he got a "profile view" of the man behind the TSBD and that he "felt [Oswald] was the person he had seen." But the next

year he told the Commission that he "didn't see his face. I just saw the back of his head." It hardly seems likely that Worrell didn't get a glimpse of the running man's face, first running north out of the building, then turning south down Houston, "
along the side of the depository building" (v2p196). Worrell changed his mind? No--the altered affidavit confirms that Worrell's mind was being changed for him.

First, the rifle disappears, then "Oswald" disappears, twice. Actually, the first disappearance would have been the identification of Sawyer's unidentified witness. But, based on the subsequent disappearances, it seems safe to assume that

that "unidentified" witness was... Worrell. Safer than to assume that there were TWO witnesses to Oswald rushing out the rear of the building--and that Worrell somehow didn't see the other, unidentified witness. So, the sequence of disappearing names: "
Worrell" from Sawyer's report... "Oswald" from Worrell's affidavit... and "Oswald" from Worrell's testimony.

In and of themselves, these disappearing acts may or may not be that significant. To put the best light on it, they may just have been a case of DPD personnel trying to save face, after invoking the specter of a man with a rifle running

out the back door of the depository at 12:33. Exposed, they could have sputtered, "Well, no one saw him inside the building with a rifle at 12:33--ask Allman", etc., till the cows came home. But the cows, or horses, would already have long been out of
the barn by that time... So the DPD simply suppressed the story. Obviously, they did not want to deal with the complication of having Oswald connected with the back-door rifle, fictitious or not. But the pesky Worrell kept bringing him up.

The simple fact of the altered affidavit, however, is quite significant, in one way--an illustrative way. It shows, clearly and concisely, both the before and the after of how the DPD could suppress information. It shows, in short, the

DPD M.O. It's a little skeleton key to the JFK assassination.

dcw

That's very good. Reid deserves her own video, I think. She was also used to defend Jackie's hat action at the turn from Main onto Houston. She was a multipurpose witness. R.L. Anderton? I'll have to look into that. You seem to be insisting

that Worrell was actually there on the day of the assassination, but I can overlook that.

Well, somebody using Worrell's name was actually there--5'8" to 5'10", 155-165, late 20s early 30s. 12:44pm picks up the high number from those estimates.

But Sawyer did not get a name

Let's be precise--Sawyer did not SAY that he got a name. I'm sure he did. I bet Fritz was upset with him that day--putting Oswald with a rifle behind the building AND, earlier, on the 5th/3rd floor. Could he have CAUSED Fritz any more headaches? (

in my best Chandler impression)

dcw

so we don't know that anybody was using Worrell's name on November 22. Yes, by November 23 somebody was using his name.

(there should have been a new paragraph here)
And giving good specs, at least as good as Baker.

I see you're tearing off their heads on the Ed Forum! Very exciting reading!

I guess I had been referred there a few times for a specific article. But a week or two ago, someone here suggested I begin actually posting there. Had to finish the Worrell thing first...

Thanks from a grateful nation. <chuckle>

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On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 4:49:34 AM UTC-7, John Corbett wrote:

On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 4:49:49 PM UTC-4, Donald Willis wrote:

On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 12:42:43 PM UTC-7, NoTrueFlags Here wrote:

On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 3:39:03 PM UTC-4, Donald Willis wrote:

On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 12:37:57 PM UTC-7, Donald Willis wrote:

On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 10:20:54 AM UTC-7, NoTrueFlags Here wrote:

On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 12:39:00 PM UTC-4, Donald Willis wrote:

On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 10:06:19 PM UTC-7, NoTrueFlags Here wrote:

On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 12:43:37 AM UTC-4, Donald Willis wrote:

James Worrell and the Magic Affidavit

"An unidentified individual told Insp. J.H. Sawyer that he had seen an individual run from the TSBD building shortly after the shooting of Pres. Kennedy and that this individual was an unknown white male, approximately 30, slender build,

5'10", 165 pounds, carrying what looked to be a 30:30, or some type of Winchester rifle. Insp. Sawyer then contacted Dallas Police Sgt. G.D. Henslee, radio dispatcher, and this description was broadcast to all Dallas squad cars." -- dispatch to "
Director, FBI", from Dallas FBI office. (courtesy of SkyThrone, alt.conspiracy.jfk, 9/3/23)

Of course, the Dallas Police Dept. could never admit that their actual Dealey star witness--who provided them with the 12:44 suspect description--was someone who stated that he had seen Oswald BEHIND THE DEPOSITORY, WITH A RIFLE, AFTER

12:30, on 11/22/63. His observations were broadcast and re-broadcast, live, and could not be taken back. DPD did the next best thing and attached the suspect description, none too credibly, to witness Howard Brennan: The latter thought that the suspect
was "standing" as he shot from the "sniper's nest" (Warren Commission hearings v3p144), hence the cockamamie (at least from his vantage point) height and weight specs. But Brennan did see a rifle, and that's all that was needed.

Downplaying of back-of-the-depository activity began that same day, with TSBD employee Mrs. R.A. Reid, who wrote, in an affidavit, that Oswald came through her office shortly after the shooting. At the Commission hearings, Counsel David

Belin asked her, "How would he have gotten out of the office?" Mrs. Reid: "Right straight out this door down this stairway and out the front door." (v3p278) (Note that she is more than helpful--she has Oswald all the way out the building, not just the
office.) She told Belin that Oswald was wearing "a white T-shirt and some kind of wash trousers" (p276). However, Patrolman M.L. Baker--who had just encountered Oswald in the next room--wrote in his same-day affidavit that he was "wearing a light brown
jacket". Mrs. Reid may have been thinking of Oswald's usual office attire. (As per James Jarman: "Oswald usually worked in a white tee-shirt". [12/5/63 FBI interview])

Who to believe? TSBD secretary Geneva Hine, when asked by Counsel Joseph Ball, "When you came back in [to the same office, after 12:30] did you see Mrs. Reid?" Hine: "No, sir, I don't believe there was a soul in the office when I came

back in right then." (v6p396) Ball asks her, "Were you facing the door [Oswald] is supposed to have left by?" Hine: "Yes, sir." Ball: "Do you recall seeing him?" "No, sir." (p397) Mrs. Reid--supposed witness to Oswald leaving by the front door--caught
out by Baker and Hine.

Further references, the next few days, to an Oswald front-door departure can be found in written accounts of the Oswald interviews (Warren Report pp619, 636). The interviews were not recorded. And if Mrs. Reid's testimony is any

indication, the interview accounts of Oswald's exit route must be deemed, at best, unreliable, too.

However, all sources agree: Three minutes after the shooting, Oswald was downstairs, on the first floor, then out the front or back door. "Out the front door by 12:33"--Warren Report (p155). "Three minutes from the last shot to dialing

the telephone inside the TSBD", after "his encounter with Oswald... inside the TSBD"--Pierce Allman (JFK Facts). Behind the building, it was "approximately three minutes before I saw this man come out the back door here."--James Worrell (v2p195).

On the 23rd, the downplaying of elements in the 12:44 suspect description continued. In his affidavit, witness James Worrell, stated that, from Pacific Street, just north of the TSBD, he saw a man "come out of the building and run in

the opposite direction from me... didn't have anything in hands." So, for Worrell here, no rifle apparent on the runner.

But, in between the taking of the affidavit and its final form--in the Commission Exhibits--a funny thing happened. Taking Worrell's affidavit, "at about 5pm", on the 23rd, Det. R.L. Anderton wrote that, from the "north side of the TSBD.

.. [Worrell] saw "a man run out of the building in a southerly direction. He said when he got home and saw pictures of Lee Harvey Oswald in the newspapers and on television, he recognized him as the man he saw run from the building." (CE 2003 p185)

Now, take a look at Worrell's affidavit--Commission Exhibit No. 2003, page 69. The name of the man that he recognized, that he "saw run from the building"... not there. In fact, there's no name at all. We know that Anderton took it down.

But it's not there in CE 2003. There is just an impersonal reference to a "w/m". "Oswald" expunged. The Long Arm of the Law, Rewrite Dept.

This is just the beginning of the weaning of Oswald from Worrell's narrative. On 11/30/63, Worrell told the FBI that he got a "profile view" of the man behind the TSBD and that he "felt [Oswald] was the person he had seen." But the next

year he told the Commission that he "didn't see his face. I just saw the back of his head." It hardly seems likely that Worrell didn't get a glimpse of the running man's face, first running north out of the building, then turning south down Houston, "
along the side of the depository building" (v2p196). Worrell changed his mind? No--the altered affidavit confirms that Worrell's mind was being changed for him.

First, the rifle disappears, then "Oswald" disappears, twice. Actually, the first disappearance would have been the identification of Sawyer's unidentified witness. But, based on the subsequent disappearances, it seems safe to assume

that that "unidentified" witness was... Worrell. Safer than to assume that there were TWO witnesses to Oswald rushing out the rear of the building--and that Worrell somehow didn't see the other, unidentified witness. So, the sequence of disappearing
names: "Worrell" from Sawyer's report... "Oswald" from Worrell's affidavit... and "Oswald" from Worrell's testimony.

In and of themselves, these disappearing acts may or may not be that significant. To put the best light on it, they may just have been a case of DPD personnel trying to save face, after invoking the specter of a man with a rifle running

out the back door of the depository at 12:33. Exposed, they could have sputtered, "Well, no one saw him inside the building with a rifle at 12:33--ask Allman", etc., till the cows came home. But the cows, or horses, would already have long been out of
the barn by that time... So the DPD simply suppressed the story. Obviously, they did not want to deal with the complication of having Oswald connected with the back-door rifle, fictitious or not. But the pesky Worrell kept bringing him up.

The simple fact of the altered affidavit, however, is quite significant, in one way--an illustrative way. It shows, clearly and concisely, both the before and the after of how the DPD could suppress information. It shows, in short, the

DPD M.O. It's a little skeleton key to the JFK assassination.

dcw

That's very good. Reid deserves her own video, I think. She was also used to defend Jackie's hat action at the turn from Main onto Houston. She was a multipurpose witness. R.L. Anderton? I'll have to look into that. You seem to be

insisting that Worrell was actually there on the day of the assassination, but I can overlook that.

Well, somebody using Worrell's name was actually there--5'8" to 5'10", 155-165, late 20s early 30s. 12:44pm picks up the high number from those estimates.

But Sawyer did not get a name

Let's be precise--Sawyer did not SAY that he got a name. I'm sure he did. I bet Fritz was upset with him that day--putting Oswald with a rifle behind the building AND, earlier, on the 5th/3rd floor. Could he have CAUSED Fritz any more headaches?

(in my best Chandler impression)

dcw

so we don't know that anybody was using Worrell's name on November 22. Yes, by November 23 somebody was using his name.

(there should have been a new paragraph here)
And giving good specs, at least as good as Baker.

I see you're tearing off their heads on the Ed Forum! Very exciting reading!

I guess I had been referred there a few times for a specific article. But a week or two ago, someone here suggested I begin actually posting there. Had to finish the Worrell thing first...

Thanks from a grateful nation. <chuckle>

Chuckles but not a whit of substance from John Robot.

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On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 12:03:38 PM UTC-4, Donald Willis wrote:

On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 4:49:34 AM UTC-7, John Corbett wrote:

On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 4:49:49 PM UTC-4, Donald Willis wrote:

On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 12:42:43 PM UTC-7, NoTrueFlags Here wrote:

On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 3:39:03 PM UTC-4, Donald Willis wrote:

On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 12:37:57 PM UTC-7, Donald Willis wrote:

On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 10:20:54 AM UTC-7, NoTrueFlags Here wrote:

On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 12:39:00 PM UTC-4, Donald Willis wrote:

On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 10:06:19 PM UTC-7, NoTrueFlags Here wrote:

On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 12:43:37 AM UTC-4, Donald Willis wrote:

James Worrell and the Magic Affidavit

"An unidentified individual told Insp. J.H. Sawyer that he had seen an individual run from the TSBD building shortly after the shooting of Pres. Kennedy and that this individual was an unknown white male, approximately 30, slender

build, 5'10", 165 pounds, carrying what looked to be a 30:30, or some type of Winchester rifle. Insp. Sawyer then contacted Dallas Police Sgt. G.D. Henslee, radio dispatcher, and this description was broadcast to all Dallas squad cars." -- dispatch to "
Director, FBI", from Dallas FBI office. (courtesy of SkyThrone, alt.conspiracy.jfk, 9/3/23)

Of course, the Dallas Police Dept. could never admit that their actual Dealey star witness--who provided them with the 12:44 suspect description--was someone who stated that he had seen Oswald BEHIND THE DEPOSITORY, WITH A RIFLE,

AFTER 12:30, on 11/22/63. His observations were broadcast and re-broadcast, live, and could not be taken back. DPD did the next best thing and attached the suspect description, none too credibly, to witness Howard Brennan: The latter thought that the
suspect was "standing" as he shot from the "sniper's nest" (Warren Commission hearings v3p144), hence the cockamamie (at least from his vantage point) height and weight specs. But Brennan did see a rifle, and that's all that was needed.

Downplaying of back-of-the-depository activity began that same day, with TSBD employee Mrs. R.A. Reid, who wrote, in an affidavit, that Oswald came through her office shortly after the shooting. At the Commission hearings, Counsel

David Belin asked her, "How would he have gotten out of the office?" Mrs. Reid: "Right straight out this door down this stairway and out the front door." (v3p278) (Note that she is more than helpful--she has Oswald all the way out the building, not just
the office.) She told Belin that Oswald was wearing "a white T-shirt and some kind of wash trousers" (p276). However, Patrolman M.L. Baker--who had just encountered Oswald in the next room--wrote in his same-day affidavit that he was "wearing a light
brown jacket". Mrs. Reid may have been thinking of Oswald's usual office attire. (As per James Jarman: "Oswald usually worked in a white tee-shirt". [12/5/63 FBI interview])

Who to believe? TSBD secretary Geneva Hine, when asked by Counsel Joseph Ball, "When you came back in [to the same office, after 12:30] did you see Mrs. Reid?" Hine: "No, sir, I don't believe there was a soul in the office when I came

back in right then." (v6p396) Ball asks her, "Were you facing the door [Oswald] is supposed to have left by?" Hine: "Yes, sir." Ball: "Do you recall seeing him?" "No, sir." (p397) Mrs. Reid--supposed witness to Oswald leaving by the front door--caught
out by Baker and Hine.

Further references, the next few days, to an Oswald front-door departure can be found in written accounts of the Oswald interviews (Warren Report pp619, 636). The interviews were not recorded. And if Mrs. Reid's testimony is any

indication, the interview accounts of Oswald's exit route must be deemed, at best, unreliable, too.

However, all sources agree: Three minutes after the shooting, Oswald was downstairs, on the first floor, then out the front or back door. "Out the front door by 12:33"--Warren Report (p155). "Three minutes from the last shot to

dialing the telephone inside the TSBD", after "his encounter with Oswald... inside the TSBD"--Pierce Allman (JFK Facts). Behind the building, it was "approximately three minutes before I saw this man come out the back door here."--James Worrell (v2p195).

On the 23rd, the downplaying of elements in the 12:44 suspect description continued. In his affidavit, witness James Worrell, stated that, from Pacific Street, just north of the TSBD, he saw a man "come out of the building and run in

the opposite direction from me... didn't have anything in hands." So, for Worrell here, no rifle apparent on the runner.

But, in between the taking of the affidavit and its final form--in the Commission Exhibits--a funny thing happened. Taking Worrell's affidavit, "at about 5pm", on the 23rd, Det. R.L. Anderton wrote that, from the "north side of the

TSBD... [Worrell] saw "a man run out of the building in a southerly direction. He said when he got home and saw pictures of Lee Harvey Oswald in the newspapers and on television, he recognized him as the man he saw run from the building." (CE 2003 p185)

Now, take a look at Worrell's affidavit--Commission Exhibit No. 2003, page 69. The name of the man that he recognized, that he "saw run from the building"... not there. In fact, there's no name at all. We know that Anderton took it

down. But it's not there in CE 2003. There is just an impersonal reference to a "w/m". "Oswald" expunged. The Long Arm of the Law, Rewrite Dept.

This is just the beginning of the weaning of Oswald from Worrell's narrative. On 11/30/63, Worrell told the FBI that he got a "profile view" of the man behind the TSBD and that he "felt [Oswald] was the person he had seen." But the

next year he told the Commission that he "didn't see his face. I just saw the back of his head." It hardly seems likely that Worrell didn't get a glimpse of the running man's face, first running north out of the building, then turning south down Houston,
"along the side of the depository building" (v2p196). Worrell changed his mind? No--the altered affidavit confirms that Worrell's mind was being changed for him.

First, the rifle disappears, then "Oswald" disappears, twice. Actually, the first disappearance would have been the identification of Sawyer's unidentified witness. But, based on the subsequent disappearances, it seems safe to assume

that that "unidentified" witness was... Worrell. Safer than to assume that there were TWO witnesses to Oswald rushing out the rear of the building--and that Worrell somehow didn't see the other, unidentified witness. So, the sequence of disappearing
names: "Worrell" from Sawyer's report... "Oswald" from Worrell's affidavit... and "Oswald" from Worrell's testimony.

In and of themselves, these disappearing acts may or may not be that significant. To put the best light on it, they may just have been a case of DPD personnel trying to save face, after invoking the specter of a man with a rifle

running out the back door of the depository at 12:33. Exposed, they could have sputtered, "Well, no one saw him inside the building with a rifle at 12:33--ask Allman", etc., till the cows came home. But the cows, or horses, would already have long been
out of the barn by that time... So the DPD simply suppressed the story. Obviously, they did not want to deal with the complication of having Oswald connected with the back-door rifle, fictitious or not. But the pesky Worrell kept bringing him up.

The simple fact of the altered affidavit, however, is quite significant, in one way--an illustrative way. It shows, clearly and concisely, both the before and the after of how the DPD could suppress information. It shows, in short,

the DPD M.O. It's a little skeleton key to the JFK assassination.

dcw

That's very good. Reid deserves her own video, I think. She was also used to defend Jackie's hat action at the turn from Main onto Houston. She was a multipurpose witness. R.L. Anderton? I'll have to look into that. You seem to be

insisting that Worrell was actually there on the day of the assassination, but I can overlook that.

Well, somebody using Worrell's name was actually there--5'8" to 5'10", 155-165, late 20s early 30s. 12:44pm picks up the high number from those estimates.

But Sawyer did not get a name

Let's be precise--Sawyer did not SAY that he got a name. I'm sure he did. I bet Fritz was upset with him that day--putting Oswald with a rifle behind the building AND, earlier, on the 5th/3rd floor. Could he have CAUSED Fritz any more

headaches? (in my best Chandler impression)

dcw

so we don't know that anybody was using Worrell's name on November 22. Yes, by November 23 somebody was using his name.

(there should have been a new paragraph here)
And giving good specs, at least as good as Baker.

I see you're tearing off their heads on the Ed Forum! Very exciting reading!

I guess I had been referred there a few times for a specific article. But a week or two ago, someone here suggested I begin actually posting there. Had to finish the Worrell thing first...

Thanks from a grateful nation. <chuckle>

Chuckles but not a whit of substance from John Robot.

Do you think your fingerpainting contains substance?

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On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 12:26:16 PM UTC-7, John Corbett wrote:

On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 12:03:38 PM UTC-4, Donald Willis wrote:

On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 4:49:34 AM UTC-7, John Corbett wrote:

On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 4:49:49 PM UTC-4, Donald Willis wrote:

On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 12:42:43 PM UTC-7, NoTrueFlags Here wrote:

On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 3:39:03 PM UTC-4, Donald Willis wrote:

On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 12:37:57 PM UTC-7, Donald Willis wrote:

On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 10:20:54 AM UTC-7, NoTrueFlags Here wrote:

On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 12:39:00 PM UTC-4, Donald Willis wrote:

On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 10:06:19 PM UTC-7, NoTrueFlags Here wrote:

On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 12:43:37 AM UTC-4, Donald Willis wrote:

James Worrell and the Magic Affidavit

"An unidentified individual told Insp. J.H. Sawyer that he had seen an individual run from the TSBD building shortly after the shooting of Pres. Kennedy and that this individual was an unknown white male, approximately 30, slender

build, 5'10", 165 pounds, carrying what looked to be a 30:30, or some type of Winchester rifle. Insp. Sawyer then contacted Dallas Police Sgt. G.D. Henslee, radio dispatcher, and this description was broadcast to all Dallas squad cars." -- dispatch to "
Director, FBI", from Dallas FBI office. (courtesy of SkyThrone, alt.conspiracy.jfk, 9/3/23)

Of course, the Dallas Police Dept. could never admit that their actual Dealey star witness--who provided them with the 12:44 suspect description--was someone who stated that he had seen Oswald BEHIND THE DEPOSITORY, WITH A RIFLE,

AFTER 12:30, on 11/22/63. His observations were broadcast and re-broadcast, live, and could not be taken back. DPD did the next best thing and attached the suspect description, none too credibly, to witness Howard Brennan: The latter thought that the
suspect was "standing" as he shot from the "sniper's nest" (Warren Commission hearings v3p144), hence the cockamamie (at least from his vantage point) height and weight specs. But Brennan did see a rifle, and that's all that was needed.

Downplaying of back-of-the-depository activity began that same day, with TSBD employee Mrs. R.A. Reid, who wrote, in an affidavit, that Oswald came through her office shortly after the shooting. At the Commission hearings, Counsel

David Belin asked her, "How would he have gotten out of the office?" Mrs. Reid: "Right straight out this door down this stairway and out the front door." (v3p278) (Note that she is more than helpful--she has Oswald all the way out the building, not just
the office.) She told Belin that Oswald was wearing "a white T-shirt and some kind of wash trousers" (p276). However, Patrolman M.L. Baker--who had just encountered Oswald in the next room--wrote in his same-day affidavit that he was "wearing a light
brown jacket". Mrs. Reid may have been thinking of Oswald's usual office attire. (As per James Jarman: "Oswald usually worked in a white tee-shirt". [12/5/63 FBI interview])

Who to believe? TSBD secretary Geneva Hine, when asked by Counsel Joseph Ball, "When you came back in [to the same office, after 12:30] did you see Mrs. Reid?" Hine: "No, sir, I don't believe there was a soul in the office when I

came back in right then." (v6p396) Ball asks her, "Were you facing the door [Oswald] is supposed to have left by?" Hine: "Yes, sir." Ball: "Do you recall seeing him?" "No, sir." (p397) Mrs. Reid--supposed witness to Oswald leaving by the front door--
caught out by Baker and Hine.

Further references, the next few days, to an Oswald front-door departure can be found in written accounts of the Oswald interviews (Warren Report pp619, 636). The interviews were not recorded. And if Mrs. Reid's testimony is any

indication, the interview accounts of Oswald's exit route must be deemed, at best, unreliable, too.

However, all sources agree: Three minutes after the shooting, Oswald was downstairs, on the first floor, then out the front or back door. "Out the front door by 12:33"--Warren Report (p155). "Three minutes from the last shot to

dialing the telephone inside the TSBD", after "his encounter with Oswald... inside the TSBD"--Pierce Allman (JFK Facts). Behind the building, it was "approximately three minutes before I saw this man come out the back door here."--James Worrell (v2p195).

On the 23rd, the downplaying of elements in the 12:44 suspect description continued. In his affidavit, witness James Worrell, stated that, from Pacific Street, just north of the TSBD, he saw a man "come out of the building and run

in the opposite direction from me... didn't have anything in hands." So, for Worrell here, no rifle apparent on the runner.

But, in between the taking of the affidavit and its final form--in the Commission Exhibits--a funny thing happened. Taking Worrell's affidavit, "at about 5pm", on the 23rd, Det. R.L. Anderton wrote that, from the "north side of the

TSBD... [Worrell] saw "a man run out of the building in a southerly direction. He said when he got home and saw pictures of Lee Harvey Oswald in the newspapers and on television, he recognized him as the man he saw run from the building." (CE 2003 p185)

Now, take a look at Worrell's affidavit--Commission Exhibit No. 2003, page 69. The name of the man that he recognized, that he "saw run from the building"... not there. In fact, there's no name at all. We know that Anderton took it

down. But it's not there in CE 2003. There is just an impersonal reference to a "w/m". "Oswald" expunged. The Long Arm of the Law, Rewrite Dept.

This is just the beginning of the weaning of Oswald from Worrell's narrative. On 11/30/63, Worrell told the FBI that he got a "profile view" of the man behind the TSBD and that he "felt [Oswald] was the person he had seen." But the

next year he told the Commission that he "didn't see his face. I just saw the back of his head." It hardly seems likely that Worrell didn't get a glimpse of the running man's face, first running north out of the building, then turning south down Houston,
"along the side of the depository building" (v2p196). Worrell changed his mind? No--the altered affidavit confirms that Worrell's mind was being changed for him.

First, the rifle disappears, then "Oswald" disappears, twice. Actually, the first disappearance would have been the identification of Sawyer's unidentified witness. But, based on the subsequent disappearances, it seems safe to

assume that that "unidentified" witness was... Worrell. Safer than to assume that there were TWO witnesses to Oswald rushing out the rear of the building--and that Worrell somehow didn't see the other, unidentified witness. So, the sequence of
disappearing names: "Worrell" from Sawyer's report... "Oswald" from Worrell's affidavit... and "Oswald" from Worrell's testimony.

In and of themselves, these disappearing acts may or may not be that significant. To put the best light on it, they may just have been a case of DPD personnel trying to save face, after invoking the specter of a man with a rifle

running out the back door of the depository at 12:33. Exposed, they could have sputtered, "Well, no one saw him inside the building with a rifle at 12:33--ask Allman", etc., till the cows came home. But the cows, or horses, would already have long been
out of the barn by that time... So the DPD simply suppressed the story. Obviously, they did not want to deal with the complication of having Oswald connected with the back-door rifle, fictitious or not. But the pesky Worrell kept bringing him up.

The simple fact of the altered affidavit, however, is quite significant, in one way--an illustrative way. It shows, clearly and concisely, both the before and the after of how the DPD could suppress information. It shows, in short,

the DPD M.O. It's a little skeleton key to the JFK assassination.

dcw

That's very good. Reid deserves her own video, I think. She was also used to defend Jackie's hat action at the turn from Main onto Houston. She was a multipurpose witness. R.L. Anderton? I'll have to look into that. You seem to be

insisting that Worrell was actually there on the day of the assassination, but I can overlook that.

Well, somebody using Worrell's name was actually there--5'8" to 5'10", 155-165, late 20s early 30s. 12:44pm picks up the high number from those estimates.

But Sawyer did not get a name

Let's be precise--Sawyer did not SAY that he got a name. I'm sure he did. I bet Fritz was upset with him that day--putting Oswald with a rifle behind the building AND, earlier, on the 5th/3rd floor. Could he have CAUSED Fritz any more

headaches? (in my best Chandler impression)

dcw

so we don't know that anybody was using Worrell's name on November 22. Yes, by November 23 somebody was using his name.

(there should have been a new paragraph here)
And giving good specs, at least as good as Baker.

I see you're tearing off their heads on the Ed Forum! Very exciting reading!

I guess I had been referred there a few times for a specific article. But a week or two ago, someone here suggested I begin actually posting there. Had to finish the Worrell thing first...

Thanks from a grateful nation. <chuckle>

Chuckles but not a whit of substance from John Robot.

Do you think your fingerpainting contains substance?

Substance is Kryptonite to John Robot.

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On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 3:26:16 PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:

On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 12:03:38 PM UTC-4, Donald Willis wrote:

On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 4:49:34 AM UTC-7, John Corbett wrote:

On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 4:49:49 PM UTC-4, Donald Willis wrote:

On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 12:42:43 PM UTC-7, NoTrueFlags Here wrote:

On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 3:39:03 PM UTC-4, Donald Willis wrote:

On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 12:37:57 PM UTC-7, Donald Willis wrote:

On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 10:20:54 AM UTC-7, NoTrueFlags Here wrote:

On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 12:39:00 PM UTC-4, Donald Willis wrote:

On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 10:06:19 PM UTC-7, NoTrueFlags Here wrote:

On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 12:43:37 AM UTC-4, Donald Willis wrote:

James Worrell and the Magic Affidavit

"An unidentified individual told Insp. J.H. Sawyer that he had seen an individual run from the TSBD building shortly after the shooting of Pres. Kennedy and that this individual was an unknown white male, approximately 30, slender

build, 5'10", 165 pounds, carrying what looked to be a 30:30, or some type of Winchester rifle. Insp. Sawyer then contacted Dallas Police Sgt. G.D. Henslee, radio dispatcher, and this description was broadcast to all Dallas squad cars." -- dispatch to "
Director, FBI", from Dallas FBI office. (courtesy of SkyThrone, alt.conspiracy.jfk, 9/3/23)

Of course, the Dallas Police Dept. could never admit that their actual Dealey star witness--who provided them with the 12:44 suspect description--was someone who stated that he had seen Oswald BEHIND THE DEPOSITORY, WITH A RIFLE,

AFTER 12:30, on 11/22/63. His observations were broadcast and re-broadcast, live, and could not be taken back. DPD did the next best thing and attached the suspect description, none too credibly, to witness Howard Brennan: The latter thought that the
suspect was "standing" as he shot from the "sniper's nest" (Warren Commission hearings v3p144), hence the cockamamie (at least from his vantage point) height and weight specs. But Brennan did see a rifle, and that's all that was needed.

Downplaying of back-of-the-depository activity began that same day, with TSBD employee Mrs. R.A. Reid, who wrote, in an affidavit, that Oswald came through her office shortly after the shooting. At the Commission hearings, Counsel

David Belin asked her, "How would he have gotten out of the office?" Mrs. Reid: "Right straight out this door down this stairway and out the front door." (v3p278) (Note that she is more than helpful--she has Oswald all the way out the building, not just
the office.) She told Belin that Oswald was wearing "a white T-shirt and some kind of wash trousers" (p276). However, Patrolman M.L. Baker--who had just encountered Oswald in the next room--wrote in his same-day affidavit that he was "wearing a light
brown jacket". Mrs. Reid may have been thinking of Oswald's usual office attire. (As per James Jarman: "Oswald usually worked in a white tee-shirt". [12/5/63 FBI interview])

Who to believe? TSBD secretary Geneva Hine, when asked by Counsel Joseph Ball, "When you came back in [to the same office, after 12:30] did you see Mrs. Reid?" Hine: "No, sir, I don't believe there was a soul in the office when I

came back in right then." (v6p396) Ball asks her, "Were you facing the door [Oswald] is supposed to have left by?" Hine: "Yes, sir." Ball: "Do you recall seeing him?" "No, sir." (p397) Mrs. Reid--supposed witness to Oswald leaving by the front door--
caught out by Baker and Hine.

Further references, the next few days, to an Oswald front-door departure can be found in written accounts of the Oswald interviews (Warren Report pp619, 636). The interviews were not recorded. And if Mrs. Reid's testimony is any

indication, the interview accounts of Oswald's exit route must be deemed, at best, unreliable, too.

However, all sources agree: Three minutes after the shooting, Oswald was downstairs, on the first floor, then out the front or back door. "Out the front door by 12:33"--Warren Report (p155). "Three minutes from the last shot to

dialing the telephone inside the TSBD", after "his encounter with Oswald... inside the TSBD"--Pierce Allman (JFK Facts). Behind the building, it was "approximately three minutes before I saw this man come out the back door here."--James Worrell (v2p195).

On the 23rd, the downplaying of elements in the 12:44 suspect description continued. In his affidavit, witness James Worrell, stated that, from Pacific Street, just north of the TSBD, he saw a man "come out of the building and run

in the opposite direction from me... didn't have anything in hands." So, for Worrell here, no rifle apparent on the runner.

But, in between the taking of the affidavit and its final form--in the Commission Exhibits--a funny thing happened. Taking Worrell's affidavit, "at about 5pm", on the 23rd, Det. R.L. Anderton wrote that, from the "north side of the

TSBD... [Worrell] saw "a man run out of the building in a southerly direction. He said when he got home and saw pictures of Lee Harvey Oswald in the newspapers and on television, he recognized him as the man he saw run from the building." (CE 2003 p185)

Now, take a look at Worrell's affidavit--Commission Exhibit No. 2003, page 69. The name of the man that he recognized, that he "saw run from the building"... not there. In fact, there's no name at all. We know that Anderton took it

down. But it's not there in CE 2003. There is just an impersonal reference to a "w/m". "Oswald" expunged. The Long Arm of the Law, Rewrite Dept.

This is just the beginning of the weaning of Oswald from Worrell's narrative. On 11/30/63, Worrell told the FBI that he got a "profile view" of the man behind the TSBD and that he "felt [Oswald] was the person he had seen." But the

next year he told the Commission that he "didn't see his face. I just saw the back of his head." It hardly seems likely that Worrell didn't get a glimpse of the running man's face, first running north out of the building, then turning south down Houston,
"along the side of the depository building" (v2p196). Worrell changed his mind? No--the altered affidavit confirms that Worrell's mind was being changed for him.

First, the rifle disappears, then "Oswald" disappears, twice. Actually, the first disappearance would have been the identification of Sawyer's unidentified witness. But, based on the subsequent disappearances, it seems safe to

assume that that "unidentified" witness was... Worrell. Safer than to assume that there were TWO witnesses to Oswald rushing out the rear of the building--and that Worrell somehow didn't see the other, unidentified witness. So, the sequence of
disappearing names: "Worrell" from Sawyer's report... "Oswald" from Worrell's affidavit... and "Oswald" from Worrell's testimony.

In and of themselves, these disappearing acts may or may not be that significant. To put the best light on it, they may just have been a case of DPD personnel trying to save face, after invoking the specter of a man with a rifle

running out the back door of the depository at 12:33. Exposed, they could have sputtered, "Well, no one saw him inside the building with a rifle at 12:33--ask Allman", etc., till the cows came home. But the cows, or horses, would already have long been
out of the barn by that time... So the DPD simply suppressed the story. Obviously, they did not want to deal with the complication of having Oswald connected with the back-door rifle, fictitious or not. But the pesky Worrell kept bringing him up.

The simple fact of the altered affidavit, however, is quite significant, in one way--an illustrative way. It shows, clearly and concisely, both the before and the after of how the DPD could suppress information. It shows, in short,

the DPD M.O. It's a little skeleton key to the JFK assassination.

dcw

That's very good. Reid deserves her own video, I think. She was also used to defend Jackie's hat action at the turn from Main onto Houston. She was a multipurpose witness. R.L. Anderton? I'll have to look into that. You seem to be

insisting that Worrell was actually there on the day of the assassination, but I can overlook that.

Well, somebody using Worrell's name was actually there--5'8" to 5'10", 155-165, late 20s early 30s. 12:44pm picks up the high number from those estimates.

But Sawyer did not get a name

Let's be precise--Sawyer did not SAY that he got a name. I'm sure he did. I bet Fritz was upset with him that day--putting Oswald with a rifle behind the building AND, earlier, on the 5th/3rd floor. Could he have CAUSED Fritz any more

headaches? (in my best Chandler impression)

dcw

so we don't know that anybody was using Worrell's name on November 22. Yes, by November 23 somebody was using his name.

(there should have been a new paragraph here)
And giving good specs, at least as good as Baker.

I see you're tearing off their heads on the Ed Forum! Very exciting reading!

I guess I had been referred there a few times for a specific article. But a week or two ago, someone here suggested I begin actually posting there. Had to finish the Worrell thing first...

Thanks from a grateful nation. <chuckle>

Chuckles but not a whit of substance from John Robot.

Do you think your fingerpainting contains substance?

Corbett, a troll till the day he gets out of this place.

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On Sat, 23 Sep 2023 12:26:15 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett <geowright1963@gmail.com> wrote:

Do you think your fingerpainting contains substance?

Do you think people aren't laughing at you?

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