• The implausibility of the Landis story

    From John Corbett@21:1/5 to All on Sun Sep 17 17:44:48 2023
    For starters, Landis filed his report on the assassination and it ended as the limo went by the overpass. No mention of finding a bullet in the back seat at Parkland. That would be an extremely important piece of information and it
    is simply not credible that he would leave that out of his official report. Even
    less believable is that he would simply place such an important piece of evidence on JFK's stretcher instead of securing it.

    What really makes no sense is how a bullet could end up on the back seat,
    no matter where you want to postulate other shooters. I've read two versions
    of Landis' story, one in which he said the bullet was on the back seat and another that it was lodged in the backseat. Neither makes any sense for one simple reason. The wound on JFK's back was above the top of the seat. A
    bullet exiting JFK's back is going to continue over the trunk of the car. How the hell could the bullet end up on or in the back seat. For Landis' story to make any sense at all, there has to be at least a theoretical way for a bullet
    to end up there. Does anybody have one? I'm not asking for proof of how it happened. Just tell us how it could have happened. If no one can do that, and
    I seriously doubt anyone can, there's no way this story can be considered even remotely possible.

    It is feasible that Landis could have found a bullet in Connally's jump seat but
    that still has the problem of explaining why Landis would leave that out of his report. It also doesn't square with Phyllis Hall's story. She said she saw a bullet "on the cart" between JFK's ear and shoulder. Landis said he placed it
    at the foot of the stretcher. This also doesn't explain how that bullet made its
    way to Connally's stretcher since JFK's body remained on the stretcher until it was placed in the casket some time later.

    There are just too many holes in the Landis story to consider it the least bit believable.

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  • From BT George@21:1/5 to John Corbett on Mon Sep 18 06:27:32 2023
    On Sunday, September 17, 2023 at 7:44:50 PM UTC-5, John Corbett wrote:
    For starters, Landis filed his report on the assassination and it ended as the
    limo went by the overpass. No mention of finding a bullet in the back seat at
    Parkland. That would be an extremely important piece of information and it is simply not credible that he would leave that out of his official report. Even
    less believable is that he would simply place such an important piece of evidence on JFK's stretcher instead of securing it.

    What really makes no sense is how a bullet could end up on the back seat,
    no matter where you want to postulate other shooters. I've read two versions of Landis' story, one in which he said the bullet was on the back seat and another that it was lodged in the backseat. Neither makes any sense for one simple reason. The wound on JFK's back was above the top of the seat. A bullet exiting JFK's back is going to continue over the trunk of the car. How
    the hell could the bullet end up on or in the back seat. For Landis' story to make any sense at all, there has to be at least a theoretical way for a bullet
    to end up there. Does anybody have one? I'm not asking for proof of how it happened. Just tell us how it could have happened. If no one can do that, and
    I seriously doubt anyone can, there's no way this story can be considered even
    remotely possible.

    It is feasible that Landis could have found a bullet in Connally's jump seat but
    that still has the problem of explaining why Landis would leave that out of his
    report. It also doesn't square with Phyllis Hall's story. She said she saw a bullet "on the cart" between JFK's ear and shoulder. Landis said he placed it
    at the foot of the stretcher. This also doesn't explain how that bullet made its
    way to Connally's stretcher since JFK's body remained on the stretcher until it
    was placed in the casket some time later.

    There are just too many holes in the Landis story to consider it the least bit
    believable.

    Yeah. And the part where you tell it when you are getting ready to release a new book on the assassination ahead of the 60th anniversary is a little suspect too!

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to geowright1963@gmail.com on Mon Sep 18 06:52:56 2023
    On Sun, 17 Sep 2023 17:44:48 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett <geowright1963@gmail.com> wrote:

    For starters, Landis filed his report on the assassination and it ended as the >limo went by the overpass.

    And you don't believe that report.

    End of story.

    You lose!

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  • From David Von Pein@21:1/5 to John Corbett on Mon Sep 18 09:01:41 2023
    On Sunday, September 17, 2023 at 8:44:50 PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    For starters, Landis filed his report on the assassination and it ended as the limo went by the overpass.

    But you're referring to only his very short report written on 11/27/63. But three days later, Landis wrote this extremely detailed report (which still doesn't say a word about finding any kind of bullet or fragment):

    https://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh18/html/WH_Vol18_0383a.htm

    Here's Landis' long report via the McAdams site (top portion of page):

    https://www.jfk-assassination.net/russ/m_j_russ/Sa-landi.htm

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  • From Brian Doyle@21:1/5 to David Von Pein on Mon Sep 18 09:22:29 2023
    On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 12:01:43 PM UTC-4, David Von Pein wrote:
    On Sunday, September 17, 2023 at 8:44:50 PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:



    His story is true because it adds up...

    What Kennedy researchers do is revert to the sensible in their logic and assume that people would act truthful according to assumed expectations...

    However the Kennedy assassination is a wicked event full of duplicitiy and official misconduct...

    Landis found the Magic Bullet as he told...However he did what any Secret Service agent would do and handed it over to his superior...

    From that point on it became a fragment in his recounting...

    Landis's superior turned the bullet over to the plotters and they worked it in to the evidence between Johnsen and Rowley in Washington DC...Only Landis can't tell the real version because it exposes the conspiracy and the complicity of government
    authorities...

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to davevonpein@aol.com on Mon Sep 18 09:18:51 2023
    On Mon, 18 Sep 2023 09:01:41 -0700 (PDT), David Von Pein
    <davevonpein@aol.com> wrote:

    On Sunday, September 17, 2023 at 8:44:50?PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    For starters, Landis filed his report on the assassination and it ended as the limo went by the overpass.

    But you're referring to only his very short report written on 11/27/63. But three days later, Landis wrote this extremely detailed report (which still doesn't say a word about finding any kind of bullet or fragment):

    https://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh18/html/WH_Vol18_0383a.htm

    Here's Landis' long report via the McAdams site (top portion of page):

    https://www.jfk-assassination.net/russ/m_j_russ/Sa-landi.htm


    Of course, what Von Penis won't say is that he doesn't believe these contemporary reports by Landis.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to All on Mon Sep 18 09:15:42 2023
    On Mon, 18 Sep 2023 09:01:41 -0700 (PDT), David Von Pein
    <davevonpein@aol.com> wrote:

    You lied: "It's a proven LIE to say that none of the 4 Tippit shells
    were ever IDed by any of the officers. But I'm sure Ben Holmes is
    ready to ignore the following proof...."

    Why are you so terrified of QUOTING for your lie?

    You can't... of course.

    Here's the post that proves you a liar:

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    Von Penis made this claim:

    As I've pointed out to this aggregation in the past, the Tippit case
    provides us with the best possible COMBINATION of evidence that you
    could ever hope to have in which to prove the guilt of the real killer
    (which was Lee Harvey Oswald, of course)

    But, as Greg Doudna pointed out:

    "In not a single instance in the published record—whether in the
    Warren Commission report or exhibits or in any other venue—are any of
    the four evidence shells Q74, Q75, Q76, and Q77 (supposedly the four
    shells ejected from the Tippit killer's revolver found at the scene of
    the crime) identified under oath by an officer who originally marked
    them, on the basis of identification of his mark, as the shell he
    marked."

    It seems quite clear that Von Penis doesn't know what evidence one
    would hope for in a murder case.

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