Came across this article about police going to the wrong house and shooting a guy there.
https://apnews.com/article/mississippi-police-shooting-immigrant-wrong-house-711a0c4e974e9ee947fc1b1dc914c1cd
The part I wanted to point out that although the guy`s prints were not found on the weapon the jury apparently still accepted that he had brandished it against the cops.
From the story...
"They noted his fingerprints and DNA were not found on the rifle..."
Also interesting is that the guy was shot in the back of the skull, or as Ben likes to refer to it as, the "occipital".
On Sunday, September 17, 2023 at 7:23:29 PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:numbered houses are on the other side. Police cars are equipped with the latest GPS systems to help guide them to the street and location of any address.
Came across this article about police going to the wrong house and shooting a guy there.
https://apnews.com/article/mississippi-police-shooting-immigrant-wrong-house-711a0c4e974e9ee947fc1b1dc914c1cd
The part I wanted to point out that although the guy`s prints were not found on the weapon the jury apparently still accepted that he had brandished it against the cops.
From the story...
"They noted his fingerprints and DNA were not found on the rifle..."
Also interesting is that the guy was shot in the back of the skull, or as Ben likes to refer to it as, the "occipital".Apparently, there are people on juries just as stupid as you. Any idea that police can go to the wrong address in today's day and age is ridiculous. Houses are marked, mailboxes are marked, even-numbered houses are on one side of the street while odd-
You seemed to have omitted a lot of details :
Police claimed that he ( Lopez ) pointed the rifle at them.
Why didn't they shoot him at that time, when their lives were directly in danger ?
Why didn't he fire the rifle when he had the chance ?
Police also claimed that he was shot in the back of the head as he was attempting to flee.
Why would he flee if he had a rifle in his hands ?
Why did they wait to shoot him until he had turned his back ?
Not only were his fingerprints not on the rifle, the rifle was lying on a couch six feet from his dead body.
How did a dead man toss or place his rifle on the couch ?
And if he tossed it before he was shot, why did police shoot an unarmed man ?
Or did someone else put that rifle on the couch ?
When the state investigators arrived at the scene, the body was in the middle of the living room and it was in handcuffs.
Who handcuffs a dead body ? Or was he handcuffed before he was shot ?
The credibility of police accounts is either supported or undermined by the evidence.
In his case, the police claims are not supported by the physical evidence.
The fact that the jury decided to believe the police, ignore the physical evidence and deny the plaintiff ( the victim's widow ), an award of $ 20 mil is not surprising.
Everybody wants to support their police and nobody wants their taxes to go up.
Try this civil case in another venue and with a better attorney for the plaintiff and you may get another verdict.
Finally, your implication that the jury's verdict suggested that it was possible to handle a rifle without leaving fingerprints on it is ridiculous.
The jury never said that. And its decision has no bearing on the physiology of fingerprints, how they are created by oils and other materials both in and outside the skin.
Juries don't determine biology.
The jury could have decided the Earth was flat, doesn't make it so.
On Sunday, September 17, 2023 at 7:23:29 PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
Came across this article about police going to the wrong house and shooting a guy there.
https://apnews.com/article/mississippi-police-shooting-immigrant-wrong-house-711a0c4e974e9ee947fc1b1dc914c1cd
The part I wanted to point out that although the guy`s prints were not found on the weapon the jury apparently still accepted that he had brandished it against the cops.
From the story...
"They noted his fingerprints and DNA were not found on the rifle..."
Also interesting is that the guy was shot in the back of the skull, or as Ben likes to refer to it as, the "occipital".Apparently, there are people on juries just as stupid as you. Any idea that police can go to the wrong address in today's day and age is ridiculous.
Houses are marked, mailboxes are marked, even-numbered houses are on one side of the street while odd-numbered houses are on the other side.
Police cars are equipped with the latest GPS systems to help guide them to the street and location of any address.
You seemed to have omitted a lot of details :
Police claimed that he ( Lopez ) pointed the rifle at them.
Why didn't they shoot him at that time, when their lives were directly in danger ?
Why didn't he fire the rifle when he had the chance ?
Police also claimed that he was shot in the back of the head as he was attempting to flee.
Why would he flee if he had a rifle in his hands ?
Why did they wait to shoot him until he had turned his back ?
Not only were his fingerprints not on the rifle, the rifle was lying on a couch six feet from his dead body.
How did a dead man toss or place his rifle on the couch ?
And if he tossed it before he was shot, why did police shoot an unarmed man ?
Or did someone else put that rifle on the couch ?
When the state investigators arrived at the scene, the body was in the middle of the living room and it was in handcuffs.
Who handcuffs a dead body ?
Or was he handcuffed before he was shot ?
The credibility of police accounts is either supported or undermined by the evidence.
In his case, the police claims are not supported by the physical evidence.
The fact that the jury decided to believe the police, ignore the physical evidence and deny the plaintiff ( the victim's widow ), an award of $ 20 mil is not surprising.
Everybody wants to support their police and nobody wants their taxes to go up.
Try this civil case in another venue and with a better attorney for the plaintiff and you may get another verdict.
Finally, your implication that the jury's verdict suggested that it was possible to handle a rifle without leaving fingerprints on it is ridiculous.
The jury never said that. And its decision has no bearing on the physiology of fingerprints, how they are created by oils and other materials both in and outside the skin.
Juries don't determine biology.
The jury could have decided the Earth was flat, doesn't make it so.
On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 8:26:49?AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:numbered houses are on the other side. Police cars are equipped with the latest GPS systems to help guide them to the street and location of any address.
On Sunday, September 17, 2023 at 7:23:29?PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
Came across this article about police going to the wrong house and shooting a guy there.Apparently, there are people on juries just as stupid as you. Any idea that police can go to the wrong address in today's day and age is ridiculous. Houses are marked, mailboxes are marked, even-numbered houses are on one side of the street while odd-
https://apnews.com/article/mississippi-police-shooting-immigrant-wrong-house-711a0c4e974e9ee947fc1b1dc914c1cd
The part I wanted to point out that although the guy`s prints were not found on the weapon the jury apparently still accepted that he had brandished it against the cops.
From the story...
"They noted his fingerprints and DNA were not found on the rifle..."
Also interesting is that the guy was shot in the back of the skull, or as Ben likes to refer to it as, the "occipital".
Nothing is idiot proof.
On Mon, 18 Sep 2023 06:44:59 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
wrote:
So, according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval" shape that was
"virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?
Chickenshit is TERRIFIED of this simple honest question. He knows
that Bugliosi was a moron if he truly thought this... yet you can't
get Chickenshit to publicly acknowledge that Bugliosi said this.
It's a simple "Yes" or "No" question, and Chickenshit cannot cite
where he has EVER answered it. (Without immediately denying it.)
So it's going to keep getting asked until Chickenshit answers it.
On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 9:53:08 AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
On Mon, 18 Sep 2023 06:44:59 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
wrote:
So, according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval" shape that was
"virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?
Chickenshit is TERRIFIED of this simple honest question. He knows
that Bugliosi was a moron if he truly thought this... yet you can't
get Chickenshit to publicly acknowledge that Bugliosi said this.
It's a simple "Yes" or "No" question, and Chickenshit cannot cite
where he has EVER answered it. (Without immediately denying it.)
So it's going to keep getting asked until Chickenshit answers it.<snicker> Trolls gonna troll.
On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 9:53:08?AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
So, according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval" shape that was
"virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?
Chickenshit is TERRIFIED of this simple honest question. He knows
that Bugliosi was a moron if he truly thought this... yet you can't
get Chickenshit to publicly acknowledge that Bugliosi said this.
It's a simple "Yes" or "No" question, and Chickenshit cannot cite
where he has EVER answered it. (Without immediately denying it.)
So it's going to keep getting asked until Chickenshit answers it.
Yellowpanties hates it when people refuse to answer his loaded questions. It shoves a bug
all the way up his ass. He doesn't take rejection well. He can't stand it that I won't respond to
him any more.
On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 8:26:49 AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:numbered houses are on the other side. Police cars are equipped with the latest GPS systems to help guide them to the street and location of any address.
On Sunday, September 17, 2023 at 7:23:29 PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
Came across this article about police going to the wrong house and shooting a guy there.
https://apnews.com/article/mississippi-police-shooting-immigrant-wrong-house-711a0c4e974e9ee947fc1b1dc914c1cd
The part I wanted to point out that although the guy`s prints were not found on the weapon the jury apparently still accepted that he had brandished it against the cops.
From the story...
"They noted his fingerprints and DNA were not found on the rifle..."
Also interesting is that the guy was shot in the back of the skull, or as Ben likes to refer to it as, the "occipital".Apparently, there are people on juries just as stupid as you. Any idea that police can go to the wrong address in today's day and age is ridiculous. Houses are marked, mailboxes are marked, even-numbered houses are on one side of the street while odd-
Nothing is idiot proof.
You seemed to have omitted a lot of details :
Police claimed that he ( Lopez ) pointed the rifle at them.
Why didn't they shoot him at that time, when their lives were directly in danger ?
Why didn't he fire the rifle when he had the chance ?
Police also claimed that he was shot in the back of the head as he was attempting to flee.
Why would he flee if he had a rifle in his hands ?
Why did they wait to shoot him until he had turned his back ?
Not only were his fingerprints not on the rifle, the rifle was lying on a couch six feet from his dead body.
How did a dead man toss or place his rifle on the couch ?
And if he tossed it before he was shot, why did police shoot an unarmed man ?
Or did someone else put that rifle on the couch ?
When the state investigators arrived at the scene, the body was in the middle of the living room and it was in handcuffs.
Who handcuffs a dead body ? Or was he handcuffed before he was shot ?
The credibility of police accounts is either supported or undermined by the evidence.
In his case, the police claims are not supported by the physical evidence.
The fact that the jury decided to believe the police, ignore the physical evidence and deny the plaintiff ( the victim's widow ), an award of $ 20 mil is not surprising.
Everybody wants to support their police and nobody wants their taxes to go up.
Try this civil case in another venue and with a better attorney for the plaintiff and you may get another verdict.
Finally, your implication that the jury's verdict suggested that it was possible to handle a rifle without leaving fingerprints on it is ridiculous.
The jury never said that. And its decision has no bearing on the physiology of fingerprints, how they are created by oils and other materials both in and outside the skin.
Juries don't determine biology.
The jury could have decided the Earth was flat, doesn't make it so.You have decided Oswald is innocent. That doesn't make it so.
On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 9:17:37?AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:numbered houses are on the other side. Police cars are equipped with the latest GPS systems to help guide them to the street and location of any address.
On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 8:26:49?AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
On Sunday, September 17, 2023 at 7:23:29?PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
Came across this article about police going to the wrong house and shooting a guy there.Apparently, there are people on juries just as stupid as you. Any idea that police can go to the wrong address in today's day and age is ridiculous. Houses are marked, mailboxes are marked, even-numbered houses are on one side of the street while odd-
https://apnews.com/article/mississippi-police-shooting-immigrant-wrong-house-711a0c4e974e9ee947fc1b1dc914c1cd
The part I wanted to point out that although the guy`s prints were not found on the weapon the jury apparently still accepted that he had brandished it against the cops.
From the story...
"They noted his fingerprints and DNA were not found on the rifle..."
Also interesting is that the guy was shot in the back of the skull, or as Ben likes to refer to it as, the "occipital".
Nothing is idiot proof.
You seemed to have omitted a lot of details :You have decided Oswald is innocent. That doesn't make it so.
Police claimed that he ( Lopez ) pointed the rifle at them.
Why didn't they shoot him at that time, when their lives were directly in danger ?
Why didn't he fire the rifle when he had the chance ?
Police also claimed that he was shot in the back of the head as he was attempting to flee.
Why would he flee if he had a rifle in his hands ?
Why did they wait to shoot him until he had turned his back ?
Not only were his fingerprints not on the rifle, the rifle was lying on a couch six feet from his dead body.
How did a dead man toss or place his rifle on the couch ?
And if he tossed it before he was shot, why did police shoot an unarmed man ?
Or did someone else put that rifle on the couch ?
When the state investigators arrived at the scene, the body was in the middle of the living room and it was in handcuffs.
Who handcuffs a dead body ? Or was he handcuffed before he was shot ?
The credibility of police accounts is either supported or undermined by the evidence.
In his case, the police claims are not supported by the physical evidence. >>>
The fact that the jury decided to believe the police, ignore the physical evidence and deny the plaintiff ( the victim's widow ), an award of $ 20 mil is not surprising.
Everybody wants to support their police and nobody wants their taxes to go up.
Try this civil case in another venue and with a better attorney for the plaintiff and you may get another verdict.
Finally, your implication that the jury's verdict suggested that it was possible to handle a rifle without leaving fingerprints on it is ridiculous.
The jury never said that. And its decision has no bearing on the physiology of fingerprints, how they are created by oils and other materials both in and outside the skin.
Juries don't determine biology.
The jury could have decided the Earth was flat, doesn't make it so.
You haven't answered one question I asked about this case.
I've decided you're an asshole and that makes it so.
On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 8:26:49 AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:house. The number run (not the real numbers) 1520, 1522 and me at 1524. So 1520 is unmarked, but people see 1522 and assume 1524 is next door (which it is, but on the other side). I was laying on the couch and just happened to look out and see them
On Sunday, September 17, 2023 at 7:23:29 PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
Came across this article about police going to the wrong house and shooting a guy there.
https://apnews.com/article/mississippi-police-shooting-immigrant-wrong-house-711a0c4e974e9ee947fc1b1dc914c1cd
The part I wanted to point out that although the guy`s prints were not found on the weapon the jury apparently still accepted that he had brandished it against the cops.
From the story...
"They noted his fingerprints and DNA were not found on the rifle..."
You are arguing against reality. Human beings make mistakes.Also interesting is that the guy was shot in the back of the skull, or as Ben likes to refer to it as, the "occipital".Apparently, there are people on juries just as stupid as you. Any idea that police can go to the wrong address in today's day and age is ridiculous.
Houses are marked, mailboxes are marked, even-numbered houses are on one side of the street while odd-numbered houses are on the other side.This is untrue by my own experience just a few days ago. My Verizon box fried and I made an appointment for them to install a new one. As you say, there are all even numbers on one side, but the neighbor two door up have no address posted on their
No Einstein, I'm not making any assumptions, what I'm doing is called "asking questions".Police cars are equipped with the latest GPS systems to help guide them to the street and location of any address.Who inputted that data when the system was created? Human beings. Who is it utilizing that system? Human beings.
I`ve seen numerous stories about cops going to the wrong house and killing the occupant. Here`s one...
https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/video-shows-n-mexico-police-were-wrong-house-seconds-before-killing-homeowner-2023-04-15/
Here`s another...
https://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=95475&page=1
Here is one where the went to the wrong house and shot the guy`s dog *because* the system they were using sent them to the wrong house...
https://www.fox4news.com/news/texas-police-shoot-dog-after-autocorrect-sends-them-to-wrong-address
Your problem is that you make poor assumptions and then treat your poor assumptions as fact.
LOL speculationYou seemed to have omitted a lot of details :
Police claimed that he ( Lopez ) pointed the rifle at them.The jury apparently agreed.
Why didn't they shoot him at that time, when their lives were directly in danger ?Apparently they felt they were still in danger when they shot him.
NO, I didn't say anything about the cops, I'm asking why Lopez didn't shoot at police when he aimed the rifle at them ?Why didn't he fire the rifle when he had the chance ?You assume the cops know when his chance ended.
LOL speculationPolice also claimed that he was shot in the back of the head as he was attempting to flee.The cop who shot him might not have been aware of this at the time.
Why would he flee if he had a rifle in his hands ?Because holding a rifle doesn`t make you bulletproof.
Why did they wait to shoot him until he had turned his back ?Might have been night. Might not have been well lit. Cop might not have been aware he turned.
According to you and the article, they weren't.Not only were his fingerprints not on the rifle, the rifle was lying on a couch six feet from his dead body.How were his fingerprints not on the rifle, Gil?
LOL SpeculationHow did a dead man toss or place his rifle on the couch ?When he was shot in the back of his head the momentum of his retreat might have cause the rifle to fly forward.
LOL SpeculationAnd if he tossed it before he was shot, why did police shoot an unarmed man ?Probably a few seconds from start to finish. Just like with the assassination you armchair quarterback and second guess.
LOL speculationOr did someone else put that rifle on the couch ?Perhaps a second gunman. Perhaps several.
They handcuff people who are wounded, not shot in the head, genius.When the state investigators arrived at the scene, the body was in the middle of the living room and it was in handcuffs.Who do you think? You claim to know law enforcement procedures, but if you did you would they often handcuff the people they shoot. I watch Police Activity on youtube, and it is pretty standard everywhere.
Who handcuffs a dead body ?
https://www.youtube.com/@PoliceActivity
DUH, his dead body handcuffed in the living room.Or was he handcuffed before he was shot ?What would lead you to that conclusion?
Prove me wrong.The credibility of police accounts is either supported or undermined by the evidence.
In his case, the police claims are not supported by the physical evidence.
The jury felt otherwise.
The fact that the jury decided to believe the police, ignore the physical evidence and deny the plaintiff ( the victim's widow ), an award of $ 20 mil is not surprising.You`re just mad because it was a fellow Mexican.
Everybody wants to support their police and nobody wants their taxes to go up.Look at you assigning motivations to the members of this jury. Make sure everything fits with your assumptions and biases.
I doubt it.Try this civil case in another venue and with a better attorney for the plaintiff and you may get another verdict.Or the same one.
You don't shoot a fleeing suspect unless he turns and aims his weapon at you. Then it's justified.Finally, your implication that the jury's verdict suggested that it was possible to handle a rifle without leaving fingerprints on it is ridiculous.Really? You think they would have felt the shooting was justified without the guy holding a rifle?
Because he didn't have it in his hands.The jury never said that. And its decision has no bearing on the physiology of fingerprints, how they are created by oils and other materials both in and outside the skin.It seems clear the guy was holding the rifle. Why weren`t his prints on it?
Funny those seem to be your go-to for information.Juries don't determine biology.Or idiots on the internet.
On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 9:45:01 AM UTC-4, Bud wrote:house. The number run (not the real numbers) 1520, 1522 and me at 1524. So 1520 is unmarked, but people see 1522 and assume 1524 is next door (which it is, but on the other side). I was laying on the couch and just happened to look out and see them
On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 8:26:49 AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
On Sunday, September 17, 2023 at 7:23:29 PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
Came across this article about police going to the wrong house and shooting a guy there.
https://apnews.com/article/mississippi-police-shooting-immigrant-wrong-house-711a0c4e974e9ee947fc1b1dc914c1cd
The part I wanted to point out that although the guy`s prints were not found on the weapon the jury apparently still accepted that he had brandished it against the cops.
From the story...
"They noted his fingerprints and DNA were not found on the rifle..."
You are arguing against reality. Human beings make mistakes.Also interesting is that the guy was shot in the back of the skull, or as Ben likes to refer to it as, the "occipital".Apparently, there are people on juries just as stupid as you. Any idea that police can go to the wrong address in today's day and age is ridiculous.
Houses are marked, mailboxes are marked, even-numbered houses are on one side of the street while odd-numbered houses are on the other side.This is untrue by my own experience just a few days ago. My Verizon box fried and I made an appointment for them to install a new one. As you say, there are all even numbers on one side, but the neighbor two door up have no address posted on their
Police cars are equipped with the latest GPS systems to help guide them to the street and location of any address.Who inputted that data when the system was created? Human beings. Who is it utilizing that system? Human beings.
I`ve seen numerous stories about cops going to the wrong house and killing the occupant. Here`s one...
https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/video-shows-n-mexico-police-were-wrong-house-seconds-before-killing-homeowner-2023-04-15/
Here`s another...
https://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=95475&page=1
Here is one where the went to the wrong house and shot the guy`s dog *because* the system they were using sent them to the wrong house...
https://www.fox4news.com/news/texas-police-shoot-dog-after-autocorrect-sends-them-to-wrong-address
Your problem is that you make poor assumptions and then treat your poor assumptions as fact.No Einstein, I'm not making any assumptions, what I'm doing is called "asking questions".
You seemed to have omitted a lot of details :
Police claimed that he ( Lopez ) pointed the rifle at them.The jury apparently agreed.
LOL speculationWhy didn't they shoot him at that time, when their lives were directly in danger ?Apparently they felt they were still in danger when they shot him.
NO, I didn't say anything about the cops, I'm asking why Lopez didn't shoot at police when he aimed the rifle at them ?Why didn't he fire the rifle when he had the chance ?You assume the cops know when his chance ended.
Police also claimed that he was shot in the back of the head as he was attempting to flee.The cop who shot him might not have been aware of this at the time.
Why would he flee if he had a rifle in his hands ?Because holding a rifle doesn`t make you bulletproof.
LOL speculationWhy did they wait to shoot him until he had turned his back ?Might have been night. Might not have been well lit. Cop might not have been aware he turned.
According to you and the article, they weren't.Not only were his fingerprints not on the rifle, the rifle was lying on a couch six feet from his dead body.How were his fingerprints not on the rifle, Gil?
LOL SpeculationHow did a dead man toss or place his rifle on the couch ?When he was shot in the back of his head the momentum of his retreat might have cause the rifle to fly forward.
LOL SpeculationAnd if he tossed it before he was shot, why did police shoot an unarmed man ?Probably a few seconds from start to finish. Just like with the assassination you armchair quarterback and second guess.
LOL speculationOr did someone else put that rifle on the couch ?Perhaps a second gunman. Perhaps several.
When the state investigators arrived at the scene, the body was in the middle of the living room and it was in handcuffs.Who do you think? You claim to know law enforcement procedures, but if you did you would they often handcuff the people they shoot. I watch Police Activity on youtube, and it is pretty standard everywhere.
Who handcuffs a dead body ?
https://www.youtube.com/@PoliceActivityThey handcuff people who are wounded, not shot in the head, genius.
DUH, his dead body handcuffed in the living room.Or was he handcuffed before he was shot ?What would lead you to that conclusion?
The weapon on the couch
His fingerprints not on the rifle
The credibility of police accounts is either supported or undermined by the evidence.
In his case, the police claims are not supported by the physical evidence.
The jury felt otherwise.
Prove me wrong.The fact that the jury decided to believe the police, ignore the physical evidence and deny the plaintiff ( the victim's widow ), an award of $ 20 mil is not surprising.You`re just mad because it was a fellow Mexican.
Everybody wants to support their police and nobody wants their taxes to go up.Look at you assigning motivations to the members of this jury. Make sure everything fits with your assumptions and biases.
I doubt it.Try this civil case in another venue and with a better attorney for the plaintiff and you may get another verdict.Or the same one.
You don't shoot a fleeing suspect unless he turns and aims his weapon at you. Then it's justified.Finally, your implication that the jury's verdict suggested that it was possible to handle a rifle without leaving fingerprints on it is ridiculous.Really? You think they would have felt the shooting was justified without the guy holding a rifle?
Because he didn't have it in his hands.The jury never said that. And its decision has no bearing on the physiology of fingerprints, how they are created by oils and other materials both in and outside the skin.It seems clear the guy was holding the rifle. Why weren`t his prints on it?
Funny those seem to be your go-to for information.Juries don't determine biology.Or idiots on the internet.
This guy was a bad egg. An illegal alien with an outstanding deportation order for illegal possession of firearms. The police knew who he was. And they knew he had weapons. They went there to take him down.
When he answered the door he was met by armed police aiming their weapons at him. They handcuffed him and then executed this guy by shooting him in the back of the head while he was handcuffed. They then did a search of his house and found the rifle,which they put on the couch. They didn't know it, but the rifle didn't have his fingerprints on it. Because he was cuffed, it never occurred to them to take the cuffs off and wrap his hands around the rifle to get his fingerprints on it.
Like you nuts say, humans make mistakes.
And there you have the explanantion of why:
he was shot in the back of the head
his dead body was handcuffed
the rifle was on the couch
his fingerprints were not on the rifle
It didn't go down the way the cops said. He didn't aim the weapon at them. If he did, they would have shot him on the spot. I know I would have.
He didn't flee because his body ended up right there in the living room.
The cops lied, pure and simple.
A good defense lawyer would have gotten his widow the $ 20 mil she sought.
On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 3:54:47?PM UTC-4, alt.conspiracy.jfk wrote: >> How the fuck do you think they can make the assessment on the spot right after a shooting whether the person shot will survive or not? You are a fucking stump!
It's called checking for a pulse and you do it so you know whether to call for an ambulance or the coroner.
They knew on the spot the guy was dead, otherwise when the state investigators showed up, the body would have been at the hospital.
The only fucking stump here is you. You talk a lot of shit about things you have no knowledge of.
Typical dumbfuck troll.
You must be related to Bud.
How the fuck do you think they can make the assessment on the spot right after a shooting whether the person shot will survive or not? You are a fucking stump!
On Mon, 18 Sep 2023 13:52:34 -0700 (PDT), Gil Jesus
<gjjma...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 3:54:47?PM UTC-4, alt.conspiracy.jfk wrote:
How the fuck do you think they can make the assessment on the spot right after a shooting whether the person shot will survive or not? You are a fucking stump!
It's called checking for a pulse and you do it so you know whether to call for an ambulance or the coroner.He *is* Chickenshit. He just changed his name again...
They knew on the spot the guy was dead, otherwise when the state investigators showed up, the body would have been at the hospital.
The only fucking stump here is you. You talk a lot of shit about things you have no knowledge of.
Typical dumbfuck troll.
You must be related to Bud.
On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 3:54:47 PM UTC-4, alt.conspiracy.jfk wrote:
How the fuck do you think they can make the assessment on the spot right after a shooting whether the person shot will survive or not? You are a fucking stump!It's called checking for a pulse and you do it so you know whether to call for an ambulance or the coroner.
They knew on the spot the guy was dead, otherwise when the state investigators showed up, the body would have been at the hospital.
The only fucking stump here is you. You talk a lot of shit about things you have no knowledge of.
Typical dumbfuck troll.
You must be related to Bud.
You haven't answered one question I asked about this case.
I've decided you're an asshole and that makes it so.
On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 9:45:01 AM UTC-4, Bud wrote:house. The number run (not the real numbers) 1520, 1522 and me at 1524. So 1520 is unmarked, but people see 1522 and assume 1524 is next door (which it is, but on the other side). I was laying on the couch and just happened to look out and see them
On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 8:26:49 AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
On Sunday, September 17, 2023 at 7:23:29 PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
Came across this article about police going to the wrong house and shooting a guy there.
https://apnews.com/article/mississippi-police-shooting-immigrant-wrong-house-711a0c4e974e9ee947fc1b1dc914c1cd
The part I wanted to point out that although the guy`s prints were not found on the weapon the jury apparently still accepted that he had brandished it against the cops.
From the story...
"They noted his fingerprints and DNA were not found on the rifle..."
You are arguing against reality. Human beings make mistakes.Also interesting is that the guy was shot in the back of the skull, or as Ben likes to refer to it as, the "occipital".Apparently, there are people on juries just as stupid as you. Any idea that police can go to the wrong address in today's day and age is ridiculous.
Houses are marked, mailboxes are marked, even-numbered houses are on one side of the street while odd-numbered houses are on the other side.This is untrue by my own experience just a few days ago. My Verizon box fried and I made an appointment for them to install a new one. As you say, there are all even numbers on one side, but the neighbor two door up have no address posted on their
Why do you ask "how" and "why" questions then scoff when somebody responds withPolice cars are equipped with the latest GPS systems to help guide them to the street and location of any address.Who inputted that data when the system was created? Human beings. Who is it utilizing that system? Human beings.
I`ve seen numerous stories about cops going to the wrong house and killing the occupant. Here`s one...
https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/video-shows-n-mexico-police-were-wrong-house-seconds-before-killing-homeowner-2023-04-15/
Here`s another...
https://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=95475&page=1
Here is one where the went to the wrong house and shot the guy`s dog *because* the system they were using sent them to the wrong house...
https://www.fox4news.com/news/texas-police-shoot-dog-after-autocorrect-sends-them-to-wrong-address
Your problem is that you make poor assumptions and then treat your poor assumptions as fact.No Einstein, I'm not making any assumptions, what I'm doing is called "asking questions".
You seemed to have omitted a lot of details :
Police claimed that he ( Lopez ) pointed the rifle at them.The jury apparently agreed.
LOL speculationWhy didn't they shoot him at that time, when their lives were directly in danger ?Apparently they felt they were still in danger when they shot him.
NO, I didn't say anything about the cops, I'm asking why Lopez didn't shoot at police when he aimed the rifle at them ?Why didn't he fire the rifle when he had the chance ?You assume the cops know when his chance ended.
Police also claimed that he was shot in the back of the head as he was attempting to flee.The cop who shot him might not have been aware of this at the time.
Why would he flee if he had a rifle in his hands ?Because holding a rifle doesn`t make you bulletproof.
LOL speculationWhy did they wait to shoot him until he had turned his back ?Might have been night. Might not have been well lit. Cop might not have been aware he turned.
According to you and the article, they weren't.Not only were his fingerprints not on the rifle, the rifle was lying on a couch six feet from his dead body.How were his fingerprints not on the rifle, Gil?
LOL SpeculationHow did a dead man toss or place his rifle on the couch ?When he was shot in the back of his head the momentum of his retreat might have cause the rifle to fly forward.
LOL SpeculationAnd if he tossed it before he was shot, why did police shoot an unarmed man ?Probably a few seconds from start to finish. Just like with the assassination you armchair quarterback and second guess.
LOL speculationOr did someone else put that rifle on the couch ?Perhaps a second gunman. Perhaps several.
On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 12:52:18?PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
You haven't answered one question I asked about this case.
Such as?
I've decided you're an asshole and that makes it so.
Just because you don't like my answers doesn't mean I didn't answer your question.
On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 1:24:01 PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:house. The number run (not the real numbers) 1520, 1522 and me at 1524. So 1520 is unmarked, but people see 1522 and assume 1524 is next door (which it is, but on the other side). I was laying on the couch and just happened to look out and see them
On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 9:45:01 AM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 8:26:49 AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
On Sunday, September 17, 2023 at 7:23:29 PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
Came across this article about police going to the wrong house and shooting a guy there.
https://apnews.com/article/mississippi-police-shooting-immigrant-wrong-house-711a0c4e974e9ee947fc1b1dc914c1cd
The part I wanted to point out that although the guy`s prints were not found on the weapon the jury apparently still accepted that he had brandished it against the cops.
From the story...
"They noted his fingerprints and DNA were not found on the rifle..."
You are arguing against reality. Human beings make mistakes.Also interesting is that the guy was shot in the back of the skull, or as Ben likes to refer to it as, the "occipital".Apparently, there are people on juries just as stupid as you. Any idea that police can go to the wrong address in today's day and age is ridiculous.
Houses are marked, mailboxes are marked, even-numbered houses are on one side of the street while odd-numbered houses are on the other side.This is untrue by my own experience just a few days ago. My Verizon box fried and I made an appointment for them to install a new one. As you say, there are all even numbers on one side, but the neighbor two door up have no address posted on their
Police cars are equipped with the latest GPS systems to help guide them to the street and location of any address.Who inputted that data when the system was created? Human beings. Who is it utilizing that system? Human beings.
I`ve seen numerous stories about cops going to the wrong house and killing the occupant. Here`s one...
https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/video-shows-n-mexico-police-were-wrong-house-seconds-before-killing-homeowner-2023-04-15/
Here`s another...
https://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=95475&page=1
Here is one where the went to the wrong house and shot the guy`s dog *because* the system they were using sent them to the wrong house...
https://www.fox4news.com/news/texas-police-shoot-dog-after-autocorrect-sends-them-to-wrong-address
Your problem is that you make poor assumptions and then treat your poor assumptions as fact.No Einstein, I'm not making any assumptions, what I'm doing is called "asking questions".
You seemed to have omitted a lot of details :
Police claimed that he ( Lopez ) pointed the rifle at them.The jury apparently agreed.
LOL speculationWhy didn't they shoot him at that time, when their lives were directly in danger ?Apparently they felt they were still in danger when they shot him.
NO, I didn't say anything about the cops, I'm asking why Lopez didn't shoot at police when he aimed the rifle at them ?Why didn't he fire the rifle when he had the chance ?You assume the cops know when his chance ended.
Police also claimed that he was shot in the back of the head as he was attempting to flee.The cop who shot him might not have been aware of this at the time.
Why would he flee if he had a rifle in his hands ?Because holding a rifle doesn`t make you bulletproof.
Why do you ask "how" and "why" questions then scoff when somebody responds withLOL speculationWhy did they wait to shoot him until he had turned his back ?Might have been night. Might not have been well lit. Cop might not have been aware he turned.
According to you and the article, they weren't.Not only were his fingerprints not on the rifle, the rifle was lying on a couch six feet from his dead body.How were his fingerprints not on the rifle, Gil?
LOL SpeculationHow did a dead man toss or place his rifle on the couch ?When he was shot in the back of his head the momentum of his retreat might have cause the rifle to fly forward.
LOL SpeculationAnd if he tossed it before he was shot, why did police shoot an unarmed man ?Probably a few seconds from start to finish. Just like with the assassination you armchair quarterback and second guess.
LOL speculationOr did someone else put that rifle on the couch ?Perhaps a second gunman. Perhaps several.
speculation? Those questions called for speculation.
Why do you ask "how" and "why" questions then scoff when somebody responds with
speculation? Those questions called for speculation.
On Mon, 18 Sep 2023 14:29:37 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett
<geowri...@gmail.com> wrote:
Why do you ask "how" and "why" questions then scoff when somebody responds withWhy can't you cite evidence?
speculation? Those questions called for speculation.
On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 5:29:39 PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:their house. The number run (not the real numbers) 1520, 1522 and me at 1524. So 1520 is unmarked, but people see 1522 and assume 1524 is next door (which it is, but on the other side). I was laying on the couch and just happened to look out and see them
On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 1:24:01 PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 9:45:01 AM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 8:26:49 AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
On Sunday, September 17, 2023 at 7:23:29 PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
Came across this article about police going to the wrong house and shooting a guy there.
https://apnews.com/article/mississippi-police-shooting-immigrant-wrong-house-711a0c4e974e9ee947fc1b1dc914c1cd
The part I wanted to point out that although the guy`s prints were not found on the weapon the jury apparently still accepted that he had brandished it against the cops.
From the story...
"They noted his fingerprints and DNA were not found on the rifle..."
You are arguing against reality. Human beings make mistakes.Also interesting is that the guy was shot in the back of the skull, or as Ben likes to refer to it as, the "occipital".Apparently, there are people on juries just as stupid as you. Any idea that police can go to the wrong address in today's day and age is ridiculous.
Houses are marked, mailboxes are marked, even-numbered houses are on one side of the street while odd-numbered houses are on the other side.This is untrue by my own experience just a few days ago. My Verizon box fried and I made an appointment for them to install a new one. As you say, there are all even numbers on one side, but the neighbor two door up have no address posted on
Police cars are equipped with the latest GPS systems to help guide them to the street and location of any address.Who inputted that data when the system was created? Human beings. Who is it utilizing that system? Human beings.
I`ve seen numerous stories about cops going to the wrong house and killing the occupant. Here`s one...
https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/video-shows-n-mexico-police-were-wrong-house-seconds-before-killing-homeowner-2023-04-15/
Here`s another...
https://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=95475&page=1
Here is one where the went to the wrong house and shot the guy`s dog *because* the system they were using sent them to the wrong house...
https://www.fox4news.com/news/texas-police-shoot-dog-after-autocorrect-sends-them-to-wrong-address
Your problem is that you make poor assumptions and then treat your poor assumptions as fact.No Einstein, I'm not making any assumptions, what I'm doing is called "asking questions".
You seemed to have omitted a lot of details :
Police claimed that he ( Lopez ) pointed the rifle at them.The jury apparently agreed.
LOL speculationWhy didn't they shoot him at that time, when their lives were directly in danger ?Apparently they felt they were still in danger when they shot him.
NO, I didn't say anything about the cops, I'm asking why Lopez didn't shoot at police when he aimed the rifle at them ?Why didn't he fire the rifle when he had the chance ?You assume the cops know when his chance ended.
Police also claimed that he was shot in the back of the head as he was attempting to flee.The cop who shot him might not have been aware of this at the time.
Why would he flee if he had a rifle in his hands ?Because holding a rifle doesn`t make you bulletproof.
He can speculate fantastic occurrences, like the police handcuffing the guy and executing him, but other people can`t offer reasonable explanations.Why do you ask "how" and "why" questions then scoff when somebody responds withLOL speculationWhy did they wait to shoot him until he had turned his back ?Might have been night. Might not have been well lit. Cop might not have been aware he turned.
According to you and the article, they weren't.Not only were his fingerprints not on the rifle, the rifle was lying on a couch six feet from his dead body.How were his fingerprints not on the rifle, Gil?
LOL SpeculationHow did a dead man toss or place his rifle on the couch ?When he was shot in the back of his head the momentum of his retreat might have cause the rifle to fly forward.
LOL SpeculationAnd if he tossed it before he was shot, why did police shoot an unarmed man ?Probably a few seconds from start to finish. Just like with the assassination you armchair quarterback and second guess.
LOL speculationOr did someone else put that rifle on the couch ?Perhaps a second gunman. Perhaps several.
speculation? Those questions called for speculation.
I suspect Gil was raised locked in a room with a B&W television. He is totally unaware of common phenomenon, like if you are carrying something, say a box, and you stumble, it is likely the box will fly forward.
Like this....
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/snNPzuqA9N4
If he is aware of such things he seems to struggle applying it.
More on the handcuffing of suspects shot by cops...the suspects shot during incidents that officers reported during the VALOR interviews were some who appeared to be dead—for example, from multiple rifle rounds to the head—but who were still alive. As noted in the introduction, some human beings have
"Lesson 8: Handcuff all downed suspects. Some officers might feel that it is not nice to handcuff suspects that have been shot, and others might believe that it is unnecessary to cuff all suspects because some are “obviously” dead. Counted among
https://www.thecut.com/2015/04/why-cops-handcuff-dead-people.html
Article saying that such cuffing is "standard police practice"...
https://www.startribune.com/handcuffing-after-shooting-is-standard/361744961/
They handcuffed this guy, even though they shot him many, many times....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atK9qB_d7wk&t=63s
This upset CNN...
https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/09/us/jayland-walker-police-handcuffs/index.html#:~:text=It%20is%20common%20practice%20nationwide,law%20enforcement%20experts%20told%20CNN.
On Mon, 18 Sep 2023 13:52:34 -0700 (PDT), Gil Jesus
<gjjma...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 3:54:47?PM UTC-4, alt.conspiracy.jfk wrote:
How the fuck do you think they can make the assessment on the spot right after a shooting whether the person shot will survive or not? You are a fucking stump!
It's called checking for a pulse and you do it so you know whether to call for an ambulance or the coroner.He *is* Chickenshit. He just changed his name again...
They knew on the spot the guy was dead, otherwise when the state investigators showed up, the body would have been at the hospital.
The only fucking stump here is you. You talk a lot of shit about things you have no knowledge of.
Typical dumbfuck troll.
You must be related to Bud.
On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 5:07:00 PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
On Mon, 18 Sep 2023 13:52:34 -0700 (PDT), Gil Jesus
<gjjma...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 3:54:47?PM UTC-4, alt.conspiracy.jfk wrote:
How the fuck do you think they can make the assessment on the spot right after a shooting whether the person shot will survive or not? You are a fucking stump!
Crack detective Gil Jesus couldn`t figure out the response was mine. What a maroon!It's called checking for a pulse and you do it so you know whether to call for an ambulance or the coroner.He *is* Chickenshit. He just changed his name again...
They knew on the spot the guy was dead, otherwise when the state investigators showed up, the body would have been at the hospital.
The only fucking stump here is you. You talk a lot of shit about things you have no knowledge of.
Typical dumbfuck troll.
You must be related to Bud.
More on the handcuffing of suspects shot by cops...the suspects shot during incidents that officers reported during the VALOR interviews were some who appeared to be dead—for example, from multiple rifle rounds to the head—but who were still alive. As noted in the introduction, some human beings have
"Lesson 8: Handcuff all downed suspects. Some officers might feel that it is not nice to handcuff suspects that have been shot, and others might believe that it is unnecessary to cuff all suspects because some are “obviously” dead. Counted among
https://www.thecut.com/2015/04/why-cops-handcuff-dead-people.html
Article saying that such cuffing is "standard police practice"...
https://www.startribune.com/handcuffing-after-shooting-is-standard/361744961/
They handcuffed this guy, even though they shot him many, many times....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atK9qB_d7wk&t=63s
This upset CNN...
https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/09/us/jayland-walker-police-handcuffs/index.html#:~:text=It%20is%20common%20practice%20nationwide,law%20enforcement%20experts%20told%20CNN.
On Mon, 18 Sep 2023 13:52:34 -0700 (PDT), Gil Jesus
<gjjma...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 3:54:47?PM UTC-4, alt.conspiracy.jfk wrote:
How the fuck do you think they can make the assessment on the spot right after a shooting whether the person shot will survive or not? You are a fucking stump!
It's called checking for a pulse and you do it so you know whether to call for an ambulance or the coroner.He *is* Chickenshit. He just changed his name again...
They knew on the spot the guy was dead, otherwise when the state investigators showed up, the body would have been at the hospital.
The only fucking stump here is you. You talk a lot of shit about things you have no knowledge of.
Typical dumbfuck troll.
You must be related to Bud.
Crack detective Gil Jesus couldn`t figure out the response was mine. What a maroon!
On Tuesday, September 19, 2023 at 4:45:21 AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
Looks like Bud's "alt.conspiracy.jfk" persona changes your screenname when you respond to it.
It changes it to "alt.conspiracy.jfk" if you're using Google groups, so you can't respond to his posts.
Isn't he just a wonderful person ?
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