• For Gil who seems to be factually challenged about the conclusions of t

    From John Corbett@21:1/5 to All on Tue Sep 12 14:11:48 2023
    The following quote is from Chapter 3 of the Warren Commission Report. It begins at the bottom of page 97 and continues to the bottom of page 98.

    [quote on]
    The First Bullet that Hit

    The position of President Kennedy's car when he was struck in the neck was determined with substantial precision from the films and

    Page 98

    onsite tests. The pictures or frames in the Zapruder film were marked by the agents, with the number "1" given to the first frame where the motorcycles leading the motorcade came into view on Houston Street.273 The numbers continue in sequence as
    Zapruder filmed the Presidential limousine as it came around the corner and proceeded down Elm. The President was in clear view of the assassin as he rode up Houston Street and for 100 feet as he proceeded down Elm Street, until he came to a point
    denoted as frame 166 on the Zapruder film.274 These facts were determined in the test by placing the car and men on Elm Street in the exact spot where they were when each frame of the Zapruder film was photographed. To pinpoint their locations, a man
    stood at Zapruder's position and directed the automobile and both models to the positions shown on each frame, after which a Bureau photographer crouched at the sixth-floor window and looked through a camera whose lens recorded the view through the
    telescopic sight of the C2766 Mannlicher-Carcano rifle.275 (See Commission Exhibit No. 887, p. 99.) Each position was measured to determine how far President Kennedy had gone down Elm from a point, which was designated as station C, on a line drawn along
    the west curbline of Houston Street.276

    Based on these calculations, the agents concluded that at frame 166 of the Zapruder film the President passed beneath the foliage of the large oak tree and the point of impact on the President's back disappeared from the gunman's view as seen through the
    telescopic lens.277 (See Commission Exhibit No. 889, p. 100.) For a fleeting instant, the President came back into view in the telescopic lens at frame 186 as he appeared in an opening among the leaves.278 (See Commission Exhibit No. 891, p. 101.) The
    test revealed that the next point at which the rifleman had a clear view through the telescopic sight of the point where the bullet entered the President's back was when the car emerged from behind the tree at frame 210.279 (See Commission Exhibit No.
    893, p. 102.) According to FBI Agent Lyndal L. Shaneyfelt, "There is no obstruction from the sixth floor window from the time they leave the tree until they disappear down toward the triple overpass."

    As the President rode along Elm Street for a distance of about 140 feet, he was waving to the crowd.281 Shaneyfelt testified that the waving is seen on the Zapruder movie until around frame 205, when road sign blocked out most of the President's body
    from Zapruder's view through the lens of his camera. However, the assassin continued to have a clear view of the President as he proceeded down Elm.282 When President Kennedy again came fully into view in the Zapruder film at frame 225, he seemed to be
    reacting to his neck wound by raising his hands to his throat.283 (See Commission Exhibit No. 895, p. 103.) According to Shaneyfelt the reaction was "clearly apparent in 226 and barely apparent in 225."284 It is probable that the President was not shot.
    before frame 210, since it is unlikely that the assassin would deliberately have shot at him with a view obstructed by the oak tree when he was about to have a clear opportunity. It is
    [quote off]

    Notice that the title of the section is "The First Bullet that Hit". It does not say
    "The First Bullet that Was Fired", which seems to be how Gil has
    misinterpreted the title of the section. The truth is that the WC came to no conclusion as to whether the first bullet that hit was Oswald's first or second shot. The WC concluded it was unlikely this shot, whether the first or second shot fired, would have been fired before Z210 since that is the earliest Oswald would have had a clear line of sight. I'm not sure where Gil figure this could
    have been fired at Z207 at the earliest. It further states that JFK seemed to be reacting to the shot at frame Z225 which would require the bullet to have struck before that frame. That is the range of frames the WC gave for the
    shot that first struck JFK to have been fired.

    This is where I have a slight disagreement with the WC. Given the advantage
    of modern tools which allow enhancing of the frames, we can see that JFK
    did not start reacting to his wound until Z226. Up until Z225, his arm was moving downward. It moves up dramatically at Z226, the very same frame Connally's right arm began flipping upward. The WC can be forgiven for this slight error given that if you watch the unenhanced film at normal speed, it does indeed look like JFK was reacting when he reappeared at Z225, but a closer look tells us otherwise.

    Note also that the WC observed that the limo did not go under the tree until frame Z166. That means that Oswald would have had a clear line of fire up
    until that frame. They did not conclude that Oswald took a shot prior to Z166, but they did conclude it was a possibility. I think we can safely say now, that
    is what happened. There is no definitive evidence as to exactly when that
    shot was fired, but we can see Connally react to it at Z164.

    Of course Gil will try to dismiss these simultaneous arm movements by JFK
    and JBC as nothing more than a coincidence without offering any plausible reason for JBC to suddenly flip his arm upward. He will also dismiss it as a coincidence that JBC's coat bulged outward just two frames earlier. These
    are all inconvenient truths to Gil and the legions of conspiracy hobbyists over the years. They have no explanation for them so they simply choose to
    ignore them.

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  • From Gil Jesus@21:1/5 to John Corbett on Tue Sep 12 14:55:56 2023
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 5:11:50 PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:

    Note also that the WC observed that the limo did not go under the tree until frame Z166. That means that Oswald would have had a clear line of fire up until that frame. They did not conclude that Oswald took a shot prior to Z166,
    but they did conclude it was a possibility. I think we can safely say now, that
    is what happened. There is no definitive evidence as to exactly when that shot was fired, but we can see Connally react to it at Z164.

    Notice that Corbett has copied and pasted someone else's work without giving that writer credit.

    So Corbett has the first shot at Z166 ( missed )
    The FBI never said that.
    The Secret Service never said that.
    The Warren Commission never said that.
    The House Select Committee never said that.
    No witness ever said that.
    But Corbett says that "we can safely say now that is what happened".
    According to who, some writer on the internet you plagarized ?

    Second shot hitting both men at Z224
    The FBI never said that.
    The Secret Service never said that.
    The Warren Commission never said that.
    The House Select Committee never said that.
    No witness ever said that.
    But Corbett says that "we can safely say now that is what happened".
    According to who, some writer on the internet you plagarized ?

    Third shot hitting JFK in the head at Z 313.
    That we all know is true.

    Corbett's entire shooting sequence 8.033 seconds. ( 313-166=147, 147 frames divided by 18.3 )
    The FBI never said that.
    The Secret Service never said that.
    The Warren Commission never said that.
    The House Select Committee never said that.
    No witness ever said that.
    But Corbett says that "we can safely say now that is what happened".
    According to who, some writer on the internet you plagarized ?

    Your willing to accept as fact any "possibility" brought to your attention. Where's your corroboration ?
    You don't have any evidence to support your theory.
    Talk about factually challenged.
    ROFLMAO

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  • From Gil Jesus@21:1/5 to All on Tue Sep 12 14:59:30 2023
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 5:11:50 PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    < a pile of Warren Report bullshit deleted >


    So Corbett has the first shot at Z166 ( missed )
    The FBI never said that.
    The Secret Service never said that.
    The Warren Commission never said that.
    The House Select Committee never said that.
    No witness ever said that.
    But Corbett says that "we can safely say now that is what happened".

    Second shot hitting both men at Z224
    The FBI never said that.
    The Secret Service never said that.
    The Warren Commission never said that.
    The House Select Committee never said that.
    No witness ever said that.
    But Corbett says that "we can safely say now that is what happened".

    Third shot hitting JFK in the head at Z 313.
    That we all know is true.

    Corbett's entire shooting sequence 8.033 seconds. ( 313-166=147, 147 frames divided by 18.3 )
    The FBI never said that.
    The Secret Service never said that.
    The Warren Commission never said that.
    The House Select Committee never said that.
    No witness ever said that.
    But Corbett says that "we can safely say now that is what happened".

    Your willing to accept as fact any "possibility" brought to your attention. Where's your corroboration ?
    You don't have any evidence to support your theory.
    Talk about factually challenged.
    ROFLMAO

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to geowright1963@gmail.com on Tue Sep 12 15:26:45 2023
    On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 14:11:48 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett <geowright1963@gmail.com> wrote:

    The following quote is from Chapter 3 of the Warren Commission Report. It >begins at the bottom of page 97 and continues to the bottom of page 98.

    [quote on]
    The First Bullet that Hit

    The position of President Kennedy's car when he was struck in the neck was determined with substantial precision from the films and

    Page 98

    onsite tests. The pictures or frames in the Zapruder film were marked by the agents, with the number "1" given to the first frame where the motorcycles leading the motorcade came into view on Houston Street.273 The numbers continue in sequence as
    Zapruder filmed the Presidential limousine as it came around the corner and proceeded down Elm. The President was in clear view of the assassin as he rode up Houston Street and for 100 feet as he proceeded down Elm Street, until he came to a point
    denoted as frame 166 on the Zapruder film.274 These facts were determined in the test by placing the car and men on Elm Street in the exact spot where they were when each frame of the Zapruder film was photographed. To pinpoint their locations, a man
    stood at Zapruder's position and directed the automobile and both models to the positions shown on each frame, after which a Bureau photographer crouched at the sixth-floor window and looked through a camera whose lens recorded the view through the
    telescopic sight of the C2766 Mannlicher-Carcano rifle.275 (See Commission Exhibit No. 887, p. 99.) Each position was measured to determine how far President Kennedy had gone down Elm from a point, which was designated as station C, on a line drawn
    along the west curbline of Houston Street.276

    Based on these calculations, the agents concluded that at frame 166 of the Zapruder film the President passed beneath the foliage of the large oak tree and the point of impact on the President's back disappeared from the gunman's view as seen through
    the telescopic lens.277 (See Commission Exhibit No. 889, p. 100.) For a fleeting instant, the President came back into view in the telescopic lens at frame 186 as he appeared in an opening among the leaves.278 (See Commission Exhibit No. 891, p. 101.)
    The test revealed that the next point at which the rifleman had a clear view through the telescopic sight of the point where the bullet entered the President's back was when the car emerged from behind the tree at frame 210.279 (See Commission Exhibit No.
    893, p. 102.) According to FBI Agent Lyndal L. Shaneyfelt, "There is no obstruction from the sixth floor window from the time they leave the tree until they disappear down toward the triple overpass."

    As the President rode along Elm Street for a distance of about 140 feet, he was waving to the crowd.281 Shaneyfelt testified that the waving is seen on the Zapruder movie until around frame 205, when road sign blocked out most of the President's body
    from Zapruder's view through the lens of his camera. However, the assassin continued to have a clear view of the President as he proceeded down Elm.282 When President Kennedy again came fully into view in the Zapruder film at frame 225, he seemed to be
    reacting to his neck wound by raising his hands to his throat.283 (See Commission Exhibit No. 895, p. 103.) According to Shaneyfelt the reaction was "clearly apparent in 226 and barely apparent in 225."284 It is probable that the President was not shot.
    before frame 210, since it is unlikely that the assassin would deliberately have shot at him with a view obstructed by the oak tree when he was about to have a clear opportunity. It is
    [quote off]

    Notice that the title of the section is "The First Bullet that Hit". It does not say
    "The First Bullet that Was Fired", which seems to be ...

    Quote Gil.

    Or stop molesting your own mother...

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to gjjmail1202@gmail.com on Tue Sep 12 15:27:29 2023
    On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 14:55:56 -0700 (PDT), Gil Jesus
    <gjjmail1202@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 5:11:50?PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:

    Note also that the WC observed that the limo did not go under the tree until >> frame Z166. That means that Oswald would have had a clear line of fire up
    until that frame. They did not conclude that Oswald took a shot prior to Z166,
    but they did conclude it was a possibility. I think we can safely say now, that
    is what happened. There is no definitive evidence as to exactly when that
    shot was fired, but we can see Connally react to it at Z164.

    Notice that Corbett has copied and pasted someone else's work without giving that writer credit.

    So Corbett has the first shot at Z166 ( missed )
    The FBI never said that.
    The Secret Service never said that.
    The Warren Commission never said that.
    The House Select Committee never said that.
    No witness ever said that.
    But Corbett says that "we can safely say now that is what happened". >According to who, some writer on the internet you plagarized ?

    Second shot hitting both men at Z224
    The FBI never said that.
    The Secret Service never said that.
    The Warren Commission never said that.
    The House Select Committee never said that.
    No witness ever said that.
    But Corbett says that "we can safely say now that is what happened". >According to who, some writer on the internet you plagarized ?

    Third shot hitting JFK in the head at Z 313.
    That we all know is true.

    Corbett's entire shooting sequence 8.033 seconds. ( 313-166=147, 147 frames divided by 18.3 )
    The FBI never said that.
    The Secret Service never said that.
    The Warren Commission never said that.
    The House Select Committee never said that.
    No witness ever said that.
    But Corbett says that "we can safely say now that is what happened". >According to who, some writer on the internet you plagarized ?

    Your willing to accept as fact any "possibility" brought to your attention. >Where's your corroboration ?
    You don't have any evidence to support your theory.
    Talk about factually challenged.
    ROFLMAO

    Corbutt got spanked again!!!

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  • From John Corbett@21:1/5 to Gil Jesus on Tue Sep 12 15:48:36 2023
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 5:59:31 PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 5:11:50 PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    < a pile of Warren Report bullshit deleted >

    So you deleted the evidence I posted exposing your lies about what the Warren Commission
    said.

    So Corbett has the first shot at Z166 ( missed )

    Corbett never said that. Either you are telling a bald faced lied or your reading comprehension
    sucks. IOW, you are either deliberately lying about what I wrote, or you are just a dumbfuck.
    Either seems plausible.

    The FBI never said that.
    The Secret Service never said that.
    The Warren Commission never said that.
    The House Select Committee never said that.
    No witness ever said that.

    Corbett never said that.

    But Corbett says that "we can safely say now that is what happened".

    You are lying. I said Oswald fired a shot PRIOR to Z166. Do you know what "prior" means. We
    can safely say that because decades of viewing of the Z-film reveal clues missed by the WC.

    Second shot hitting both men at Z224

    At or before. You will never find a statement by me in which I said it was AT Z224. I have said
    that is the latest it could have struck.

    The FBI never said that.
    The Secret Service never said that.
    The Warren Commission never said that.

    The Warren Commission allowed for that possibility. They believed the single bullet struck
    sometime between Z210 and Z224.

    The House Select Committee never said that.

    The HSCA fucked up.

    No witness ever said that.

    How is a witness supposed to have known what frame an event took place at, dumbass?

    But Corbett says that "we can safely say now that is what happened".

    We can because we have learned more from the Z-film than what was initially determined. We
    are able to do this because we have better technology and we have had decades to look at the
    film as opposed to just months. Just because they didn't figure everything out from the start is
    no reason for us to stop analyzing the evidence. Since analyzing doesn't enter into your
    methodology, you probably can't understand that.

    If find it both ironic and amusing you would chastise me for concluding things the WC, the FBI,
    the SS, or the HSCA never did, when none of those entities concluded any of the nutty things you
    believe. All of the above concluded Oswald was the assassin and you reject that finding. They
    also concluded Oswald killed Tippit. You reject that finding as well.

    Third shot hitting JFK in the head at Z 313.
    That we all know is true.

    Corbett's entire shooting sequence 8.033 seconds. ( 313-166=147, 147 frames divided by 18.3 )
    Strawman. That is not Corbett's sequence. That is a product of your piss poor reading
    comprehension and your inability to reason.

    The FBI never said that.
    The Secret Service never said that.
    The Warren Commission never said that.
    The House Select Committee never said that.
    No witness ever said that.
    But Corbett says that "we can safely say now that is what happened".

    Corbett never said that. Again, you lie.

    Your willing to accept as fact any "possibility" brought to your attention. Where's your corroboration ?
    You don't have any evidence to support your theory.
    Talk about factually challenged.
    ROFLMAO

    Gil, you can be forgiven for being such a dumbfuck because you were born that way but lying is
    a conscious choice you have made to push your false narratives.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to geowright1963@gmail.com on Tue Sep 12 16:07:39 2023
    On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 15:48:36 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett <geowright1963@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 5:59:31?PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 5:11:50?PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    < a pile of Warren Report bullshit deleted >

    So you deleted the evidence I posted exposing your lies about what the Warren Commission
    said.


    So you refuse to QUOTE Gil, and have the balls to claim he's lying...


    So Corbett has the first shot at Z166 ( missed )


    Logical fallacy deleted.


    The FBI never said that.
    The Secret Service never said that.
    The Warren Commission never said that.
    The House Select Committee never said that.
    No witness ever said that.

    Corbett never said that.


    But you won't quote what you DID say...


    But Corbett says that "we can safely say now that is what happened".

    You are lying.


    Those are quote marks... are you claiming you never said that???


    Second shot hitting both men at Z224

    At or before.


    So you agree with Gil... Good to know.


    The FBI never said that.
    The Secret Service never said that.
    The Warren Commission never said that.

    The Warren Commission...


    Never said that. Yes, we know.


    The House Select Committee never said that.

    The HSCA...


    So you agree Gil... Good to know...


    No witness ever said that.

    How is a witness supposed to have known ...


    So you agree with Gil... Good to know.


    But Corbett says that "we can safely say now that is what happened".

    We can ...


    We cannot. Nor have you cited otherwise.


    Third shot hitting JFK in the head at Z 313.
    That we all know is true.

    Corbett's entire shooting sequence 8.033 seconds. ( 313-166=147, 147 frames divided by 18.3 )


    Logical fallacy deleted.


    The FBI never said that.
    The Secret Service never said that.
    The Warren Commission never said that.
    The House Select Committee never said that.
    No witness ever said that.
    But Corbett says that "we can safely say now that is what happened".

    Corbett never said that. Again, you lie.


    Corbutt ADMITTED the truth of that statement:

    *************************************************************
    But Corbett says that "we can safely say now that is what happened".

    We can ...
    *************************************************************


    Your willing to accept as fact any "possibility" brought to your attention. >> Where's your corroboration ?
    You don't have any evidence to support your theory.
    Talk about factually challenged.
    ROFLMAO

    Logical fallacy deleted.

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  • From Gil Jesus@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Wed Sep 13 03:07:10 2023
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 7:07:48 PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 15:48:36 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett
    <geowri...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 5:59:31?PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 5:11:50?PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote: >> < a pile of Warren Report bullshit deleted >

    So you deleted the evidence I posted exposing your lies about what the Warren Commission
    said.
    So you refuse to QUOTE Gil, and have the balls to claim he's lying...
    So Corbett has the first shot at Z166 ( missed )
    Logical fallacy deleted.
    The FBI never said that.
    The Secret Service never said that.
    The Warren Commission never said that.
    The House Select Committee never said that.
    No witness ever said that.

    Corbett never said that.
    But you won't quote what you DID say...
    But Corbett says that "we can safely say now that is what happened".

    You are lying.
    Those are quote marks... are you claiming you never said that???

    "They did not conclude that Oswald took a shot prior to Z166, but they did conclude it was a possibility. I think we can safely say now, that
    is what happened." ---John Corbett https://groups.google.com/g/alt.conspiracy.jfk/c/JGUUMtQb4RY/m/25vKV3X0BwAJ

    I was giving him the benefit of the doubt at Z166 because any shot fired before that would have only extended the shooting sequence LONGER
    and been more detrimental and damaging to his argument.
    For that he calls me a liar.
    LOL

    When Corbett and the other LNers in this group don't have any evidence, they always fall back on "possibilites", "reason" and "common sense".

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  • From John Corbett@21:1/5 to Gil Jesus on Wed Sep 13 11:57:21 2023
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 6:07:12 AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 7:07:48 PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 15:48:36 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett <geowri...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 5:59:31?PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 5:11:50?PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote: >> < a pile of Warren Report bullshit deleted >

    So you deleted the evidence I posted exposing your lies about what the Warren Commission
    said.
    So you refuse to QUOTE Gil, and have the balls to claim he's lying...
    So Corbett has the first shot at Z166 ( missed )
    Logical fallacy deleted.
    The FBI never said that.
    The Secret Service never said that.
    The Warren Commission never said that.
    The House Select Committee never said that.
    No witness ever said that.

    Corbett never said that.
    But you won't quote what you DID say...
    But Corbett says that "we can safely say now that is what happened".

    You are lying.
    Those are quote marks... are you claiming you never said that???

    Being the lying motherfucker that you are, you took the phrase completely out of context and
    claimed I said something that I did not. I just wrote in another thread that conspiracy hobbyists
    have long employed the deceitful tactic of taking a word or phrase out of context to change the
    meaning of what was said. Contrary to what you claimed, I never wrote that the first shot was
    at Z166. I said it was PRIOR to Z166. That is a very significant difference.

    If you really had a case to make, it wouldn't be necessary for you to resort to such blatant lies
    as this one.

    "They did not conclude that Oswald took a shot prior to Z166, but they did conclude it was a possibility. I think we can safely say now, that
    is what happened." ---John Corbett

    That's right, asshole. "A shot prior to Z166". You wrote "So Corbett has the first shot at Z166 ( missed )". If you're going to quote me, quote the entirety of what I said instead of part of it and
    then inserting your own lie.

    https://groups.google.com/g/alt.conspiracy.jfk/c/JGUUMtQb4RY/m/25vKV3X0BwAJ

    I was giving him the benefit of the doubt at Z166 because any shot fired before that would have only extended the shooting sequence LONGER

    Yes it would have. So how is that an excuse for you blatant lie.

    and been more detrimental and damaging to his argument.

    Only and idiot, like you, would conclude that.

    For that he calls me a liar.

    Because you are and I just exposed your deceit.

    When Corbett and the other LNers in this group don't have any evidence, they always fall back on "possibilites", "reason" and "common sense".

    Since you have no common sense and no ability to reason, you are unable to recognize
    possibilities. When we don't have conclusive proof of something, it is logical to recognize there
    are multiple possibilities. Only an idiot, like you, would reach conclusions based on inconclusive
    evidence.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to geowright1963@gmail.com on Wed Sep 13 13:04:50 2023
    On Wed, 13 Sep 2023 11:57:21 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett <geowright1963@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 6:07:12?AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 7:07:48?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 15:48:36 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett
    <geowri...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 5:59:31?PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 5:11:50?PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote: >>>>> < a pile of Warren Report bullshit deleted >

    So you deleted the evidence I posted exposing your lies about what the Warren Commission
    said.
    So you refuse to QUOTE Gil, and have the balls to claim he's lying...
    So Corbett has the first shot at Z166 ( missed )
    Logical fallacy deleted.
    The FBI never said that.
    The Secret Service never said that.
    The Warren Commission never said that.
    The House Select Committee never said that.
    No witness ever said that.

    Corbett never said that.
    But you won't quote what you DID say...
    But Corbett says that "we can safely say now that is what happened".

    You are lying.
    Those are quote marks... are you claiming you never said that???

    Being the lying motherfucker that I am...

    I agree.

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  • From Gil Jesus@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Thu Sep 14 01:30:18 2023
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 4:04:55 PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Wed, 13 Sep 2023 11:57:21 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett
    <geowri...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 6:07:12?AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 7:07:48?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote: >>>>> But Corbett says that "we can safely say now that is what happened". >>>>
    You are lying.
    Those are quote marks... are you claiming you never said that???

    Being the lying motherfucker that I am...

    I agree.

    The only "factually challenged" posters here are the ones who don't post facts.

    No citations
    No documents
    No testimony
    No exhibits
    No witness videos

    They do no research of their own, preferring to take the lazy way out
    and fall back on the conclusions of the Warren Commission Report.

    You can gain NO KNOWLEDGE from their posts.

    What they DO post are comments, speculation, opinion and ( when that
    doesn't work ) insults.

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  • From John Corbett@21:1/5 to Gil Jesus on Thu Sep 14 03:08:17 2023
    On Thursday, September 14, 2023 at 4:30:20 AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 4:04:55 PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Wed, 13 Sep 2023 11:57:21 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett <geowri...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 6:07:12?AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 7:07:48?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote: >>>>> But Corbett says that "we can safely say now that is what happened". >>>>
    You are lying.
    Those are quote marks... are you claiming you never said that???

    Being the lying motherfucker that I am...

    I agree.
    The only "factually challenged" posters here are the ones who don't post facts.

    No citations

    I posted an entire page from the WC verbatim. Once again Gil lies his ass off.

    No documents
    No testimony
    No exhibits
    No witness videos

    None of the above was necessary to demonstrate the point I made which is how you try to
    distort the facts. As for witness videos, the one you post produced by Mark Lane have zero
    evidentiary value since none were taken under oath. Using your standard of what would be
    admissible in court, we can easily dismiss those silly videos.

    They do no research of their own, preferring to take the lazy way out
    and fall back on the conclusions of the Warren Commission Report.

    The conclusions of the WCR have stood the test of time despite that attacks of the snipe
    hunters such as yourself.

    You can gain NO KNOWLEDGE from their posts.

    You've had almost 60 years and you still haven't figured this thing out. That's not our fault.

    What they DO post are comments, speculation, opinion and ( when that
    doesn't work ) insults.

    Speculations is all the conspiracy hobbyists have in their tool box. They have no evidence.
    Every time I've asked you to post some, you've refused. Invariably you counter with your
    attacks on the WC, none of which are evidence that anyone other than Oswald took part in
    the crime.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to geowright1963@gmail.com on Thu Sep 14 07:13:39 2023
    On Thu, 14 Sep 2023 03:08:17 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett <geowright1963@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, September 14, 2023 at 4:30:20?AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 4:04:55?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Wed, 13 Sep 2023 11:57:21 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett
    <geowri...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 6:07:12?AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 7:07:48?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote: >> > >>>>> But Corbett says that "we can safely say now that is what happened". >> > >>>>
    You are lying.
    Those are quote marks... are you claiming you never said that???

    Being the lying motherfucker that I am...

    I agree.
    The only "factually challenged" posters here are the ones who don't post facts.

    No citations

    I posted an entire page from the WC verbatim. Once again Gil lies his ass off.


    That would be a "quote."


    No documents
    No testimony
    No exhibits
    No witness videos

    None of the above was necessary ...


    Says who?

    Looks like another lie to me...


    They do no research of their own, preferring to take the lazy way out
    and fall back on the conclusions of the Warren Commission Report.

    The conclusions of the WCR have stood the test of time...


    It's **NEVER** been largely accepted...


    You can gain NO KNOWLEDGE from their posts.


    Logical fallacy deleted.


    What they DO post are comments, speculation, opinion and ( when that
    doesn't work ) insults.


    Logical fallacy deleted.

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