• Corbett's Crackpot Assumptions

    From Gil Jesus@21:1/5 to All on Tue Sep 12 04:21:19 2023
    Corbett claims Kennedy and Connally were hit by the same bullet at Z frame 226. This is Z frame 230.

    https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/z230.png

    Does Connally look like a man who has already received 5 bullet wounds and have 4 inches of his fifth rib pulverized and a lung partially collapsed ?

    Yes or no ?

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  • From Gil Jesus@21:1/5 to All on Tue Sep 12 04:25:13 2023
    Corbett claims Kennedy and Connally were hit by the same bullet at Z frame 226. This is Z frame 230.

    https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/z230.png

    Does Connally look like a man who has already received 5 bullet wounds and have 4 inches of his fifth rib pulverized and a lung partially collapsed ?

    Does he look like a man who had the nerve in his wrist severed which would have prevented him from holding his Stetson hat ?

    Yes or no ?

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to gjjmail1202@gmail.com on Tue Sep 12 08:38:01 2023
    On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 04:21:19 -0700 (PDT), Gil Jesus
    <gjjmail1202@gmail.com> wrote:

    Corbett claims Kennedy and Connally were hit by the same bullet at Z frame 226. This is Z frame 230.

    https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/z230.png

    Does Connally look like a man who has already received 5 bullet wounds and have 4 inches of his fifth rib pulverized and a lung partially collapsed ?

    Yes or no ?

    My guess? Corbutt will stop responding to you as well. He doesn't
    like questions like this.

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  • From John Corbett@21:1/5 to Gil Jesus on Tue Sep 12 09:28:58 2023
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 7:25:15 AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    Corbett claims Kennedy and Connally were hit by the same bullet at Z frame 226.

    No, Corbett claims Kennedy and Connally REACTED to the same bullet at Z226. They were actually both struck a few frames earlier. How many frames earlier is a matter of conjecture because we don't know how quickly they reacted. The latest the bullet could
    have struck was
    Z224 because that is the frame we see the lapel in Connally's coat bulge out.

    This is Z frame 230.

    https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/z230.png

    Does Connally look like a man who has already received 5 bullet wounds and have 4 inches of his fifth rib pulverized and a lung partially collapsed ?

    I don't know how a man is supposed to look like in a blurry, low resolution frame less than a half
    second after being shot. I do know he has suddenly flipped his right arm upward and we can see the Stetson he had been holding in his lap just a half second earlier.

    Does he look like a man who had the nerve in his wrist severed which would have prevented him from holding his Stetson hat ?

    Can you cite a medical expert who shares your opinion that Connally would not have been able to continue holding his hat after being shot in the wrist, or is that just one of your guesses?

    Yes or no ?

    Yes. There's no reason to believe Connally could not have maintained the grip on his Stetson.

    Can you think of another reason Connally would have suddenly flipped his right arm rapidly
    up and down in 1/2 of a second?

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to geowright1963@gmail.com on Tue Sep 12 09:56:25 2023
    On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 09:28:58 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett <geowright1963@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 7:25:15?AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    Corbett claims Kennedy and Connally were hit by the same bullet at Z frame 226.

    No, Corbett claims Kennedy and Connally REACTED to the same bullet at Z226.


    Not a refutation... only a moron would not try to understand what Gil
    is pointing out.


    This is Z frame 230.

    https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/z230.png

    Does Connally look like a man who has already received 5 bullet wounds and have 4 inches of his fifth rib pulverized and a lung partially collapsed ?

    I don't know...


    Indeed. You demand that we see in the film what you claim, but then
    run for the hills when we pont out the same thing than Connally would
    be pointing out.


    Does he look like a man who had the nerve in his wrist severed which would have prevented him from holding his Stetson hat ?

    Can you cite ...


    Coming from a moron who refuses to cite, wouldn't you label this
    hypocritical?


    Yes or no ?

    Yes.


    Yep... and there it is folks - you can't even call this a lie, since
    this moron is simply too stupid to understand what he's claiming.

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  • From Gil Jesus@21:1/5 to John Corbett on Tue Sep 12 10:24:08 2023
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 12:29:00 PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    No, Corbett claims Kennedy and Connally REACTED to the same bullet at Z226. They were actually both struck a few frames earlier. How many frames earlier is a matter of conjecture because we don't know how quickly they reacted. The latest the bullet
    could have struck was
    Z224 because that is the frame we see the lapel in Connally's coat bulge out.

    I'm sorry. Was Connally hit in the lapel ?
    This is your evidence ? Moving arms and moving lapels ?
    You DO realize that there was a lot of movement inside the car during that motorcade ( waving and such ) and the car WAS moving, right ?
    You do relaize that the wind speed that day was 30 mph, strong enough to muss a President's hair numerous times and strong enough to flip a lapel, right ?

    YOUR Warren Report concluded that the earliest the first shot could have been fired would have been Z frame 207, because the shooter's view from the sixth floor was obstructed by
    a tree in front of the building. The Report also included that Kennedy and Connally were lined up for a single shot at Z frame 210 .( Report, pg. 106 )

    Your silly theory is disproven by the evidence that says two shots could not be fired from the C2766 rifle in the 17 frames between when the Commission said the limo cleared the tree
    ( Z 207 ) and your one shot at Z224. That's less than a full second and the rifle couldn't be cycled that quickly.

    Or are you challenging the evidence ?

    And your "one shot hit all" is further disproven by the medical experts who testified that CE 399 could not have made the wound in Governor Connally's wrist.

    You're ignoring the testimony of Col. Pierre Finck, who examined CE 399 and said that it could not have been the bullet that injured Connally's wrist
    because, "there are too many fragments described in that wrist". ( 2 H 382 )

    You're also ignoring the testimony of Dr. Charles Gregory, who operated on the Governor's wrist. He described the bullet that made the
    entrance wound on the Governor's wrist as, "irregular....in some ways angular, it has edges or sharp edges or something of this sort....an irregular
    surface which would tend to catch and tear a structure rather than push it aside." ( 4 H 124 )

    That's not CE 399.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to gjjmail1202@gmail.com on Tue Sep 12 10:36:50 2023
    On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 10:24:08 -0700 (PDT), Gil Jesus
    <gjjmail1202@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 12:29:00?PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    No, Corbett claims Kennedy and Connally REACTED to the same bullet at Z226. They were actually both struck a few frames earlier. How many frames earlier is a matter of conjecture because we don't know how quickly they reacted. The latest the bullet
    could have struck was
    Z224 because that is the frame we see the lapel in Connally's coat bulge out.

    I'm sorry. Was Connally hit in the lapel ?
    This is your evidence ? Moving arms and moving lapels ?
    You DO realize that there was a lot of movement inside the car during that motorcade ( waving and such ) and the car WAS moving, right ?
    You do relaize that the wind speed that day was 30 mph, strong enough to muss a President's hair numerous times and strong enough to flip a lapel, right ?

    YOUR Warren Report concluded that the earliest the first shot could have been fired would have been Z frame 207, because the shooter's view from the sixth floor was obstructed by
    a tree in front of the building. The Report also included that Kennedy and Connally were lined up for a single shot at Z frame 210 .( Report, pg. 106 )

    Your silly theory is disproven by the evidence that says two shots could not be fired from the C2766 rifle in the 17 frames between when the Commission said the limo cleared the tree
    ( Z 207 ) and your one shot at Z224. That's less than a full second and the rifle couldn't be cycled that quickly.

    Or are you challenging the evidence ?

    And your "one shot hit all" is further disproven by the medical experts who testified that CE 399 could not have made the wound in Governor Connally's wrist.

    You're ignoring the testimony of Col. Pierre Finck, who examined CE 399 and said that it could not have been the bullet that injured Connally's wrist
    because, "there are too many fragments described in that wrist". ( 2 H 382 )


    Actually, as I recall - ALL doctors who testified after seeing CE399
    rejected the Commission's theory.


    You're also ignoring the testimony of Dr. Charles Gregory, who operated on the Governor's wrist. He described the bullet that made the
    entrance wound on the Governor's wrist as, "irregular....in some ways angular, it has edges or sharp edges or something of this sort....an irregular
    surface which would tend to catch and tear a structure rather than push it aside." ( 4 H 124 )

    That's not CE 399.


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  • From Bud@21:1/5 to Gil Jesus on Tue Sep 12 10:39:19 2023
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 7:25:15 AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    Corbett claims Kennedy and Connally were hit by the same bullet at Z frame 226. This is Z frame 230.

    https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/z230.png

    Does Connally look like a man who has already received 5 bullet wounds and have 4 inches of his fifth rib pulverized and a lung partially collapsed ?

    Tell how you know what a man should look like a quarter second after receiving such wounds.

    Does he look like a man who had the nerve in his wrist severed which would have prevented him from holding his Stetson hat ?

    Are you saying he was shot at Parkland?

    Yes or no ?

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  • From Gil Jesus@21:1/5 to Bud on Tue Sep 12 10:51:17 2023
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 1:39:21 PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
    Are you saying he was shot at Parkland?

    Who said that ?
    Did you forget to take your medication again ?

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  • From Gil Jesus@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Tue Sep 12 10:53:46 2023
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 1:36:55 PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    Actually, as I recall - ALL doctors who testified after seeing CE399 rejected the Commission's theory.

    They'd be laughing their balls off at Corbett's.

    https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/ulnar-nerve-Z225-and-Z236.mp4

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to All on Tue Sep 12 10:59:32 2023
    On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 10:39:19 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirslick@fast.net>
    wrote:


    So, according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval" shape that was
    "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

    Chickenshit is TERRIFIED of this simple honest question. He knows
    that Bugliosi was a moron if he truly thought this... yet you can't
    get Chickenshit to publicly acknowledge that Bugliosi said this.

    It's a simple "Yes" or "No" question, and Chickenshit cannot cite
    where he has EVER answered it. (Without immediately denying it.)

    So it's going to keep getting asked until Chickenshit answers it.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to gjjmail1202@gmail.com on Tue Sep 12 11:00:26 2023
    On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 10:51:17 -0700 (PDT), Gil Jesus
    <gjjmail1202@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 1:39:21?PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
    Are you saying he was shot at Parkland?

    Who said that ?
    Did you forget to take your medication again ?

    Believers rarely can answer what critics ACTUALLY say, so they are
    forced to modify what is plainly stated.

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  • From Bud@21:1/5 to Gil Jesus on Tue Sep 12 11:14:52 2023
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 1:51:18 PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 1:39:21 PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
    Are you saying he was shot at Parkland?
    Who said that ?
    Did you forget to take your medication again ?

    Connally held the hat all the way to Parkland. You are claiming his injuries would make him drop it. Ergo, he was shot at Parkland.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to All on Tue Sep 12 11:20:49 2023
    On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 11:14:52 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirslick@fast.net>
    wrote:


    So, according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval" shape that was
    "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

    Chickenshit is TERRIFIED of this simple honest question. He knows
    that Bugliosi was a moron if he truly thought this... yet you can't
    get Chickenshit to publicly acknowledge that Bugliosi said this.

    It's a simple "Yes" or "No" question, and Chickenshit cannot cite
    where he has EVER answered it. (Without immediately denying it.)

    So it's going to keep getting asked until Chickenshit answers it.

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  • From John Corbett@21:1/5 to Gil Jesus on Tue Sep 12 12:52:29 2023
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 1:24:12 PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 12:29:00 PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    No, Corbett claims Kennedy and Connally REACTED to the same bullet at Z226. They were actually both struck a few frames earlier. How many frames earlier is a matter of conjecture because we don't know how quickly they reacted. The latest the bullet
    could have struck was
    Z224 because that is the frame we see the lapel in Connally's coat bulge out.
    I'm sorry. Was Connally hit in the lapel ?

    His lapel was part of his suit coat which was moved by the bullet. The lapel would move with
    the rest of the coat.

    This is your evidence ? Moving arms and moving lapels ?

    Very compelling evidence of the gunshot striking both men. Something caused those men to
    suddenly move their arms in perfect unison. The fact they moved at the same instant is probative
    that they moved in reaction to the same stimulus. The fact this movement came two frames
    after the coat bulged out is even more reason to believe the two men were reacting to being
    shot by the same bullet. I just realized I used the word "reason" in the previous sentence. I know
    that your inability to reason makes this difficult for you to understand.

    You DO realize that there was a lot of movement inside the car during that motorcade ( waving and such ) and the car WAS moving, right ?
    You do relaize that the wind speed that day was 30 mph, strong enough to muss a President's hair numerous times and strong enough to flip a lapel, right ?

    YOUR Warren Report concluded that the earliest the first shot could have been fired would have been Z frame 207, because the shooter's view from the sixth floor was obstructed by
    a tree in front of the building. The Report also included that Kennedy and Connally were lined up for a single shot at Z frame 210 .( Report, pg. 106 )

    You are lying. They didn't say the first shot was fired at Z207 at the earliest. The said Z207 was
    the earliest the shot that struck the two men could have been fired. They never concluded that
    was the first shot. This has been pointed out to you yet you continue to repeat what you know is
    a lie. The WC also said that shot could have struck as late as Z225. In reality, the bullet struck
    a few frames before Z226. We can't say how many frames earlier because we don't know how
    rapidly both men reacted. It's safe to say the bullet struck no later than Z224 because that is
    the frame in which Connally's coat bulged outward.

    Your silly theory is disproven by the evidence that says two shots could not be fired from the C2766 rifle in the 17 frames between when the Commission said the limo cleared the tree

    This is an example of your extremely poor reasoning skills. The theory is that one bullet struck
    both men. Ergo, it isn't necessary to explain how fast two shots could have been fired since one
    was all that was necessary.

    ( Z 207 ) and your one shot at Z224. That's less than a full second and the rifle couldn't be cycled that quickly.

    You are arguing that the same shot was fired at two different frames which is really, really dumb.
    One shot, the second one Oswald fired, struck the two victims at or just before Z224. It would
    have been fired about two frames before it struck as it would have taken just under two frames
    for the bullet to travel from the 6th floor of the TSBD to where the victims were.

    Or are you challenging the evidence ?

    I'm challenging the FUBAR reasoning you apply to the evidence.

    And your "one shot hit all" is further disproven by the medical experts who testified that CE 399 could not have made the wound in Governor Connally's wrist.

    You're ignoring the testimony of Col. Pierre Finck, who examined CE 399 and said that it could not have been the bullet that injured Connally's wrist
    because, "there are too many fragments described in that wrist". ( 2 H 382 )

    Tell us how many is too many and how that was determined.

    You're also ignoring the testimony of Dr. Charles Gregory, who operated on the Governor's wrist. He described the bullet that made the
    entrance wound on the Governor's wrist as, "irregular....in some ways angular, it has edges or sharp edges or something of this sort....an irregular
    surface which would tend to catch and tear a structure rather than push it aside." ( 4 H 124 )

    Do you think surgeons are experts in wound ballistics?

    Sounds like he is describing a bullet having tumbled end over end exposing the lead core.

    That's not CE 399.

    Yes it is.

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  • From John Corbett@21:1/5 to Bud on Tue Sep 12 12:55:12 2023
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 2:14:54 PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 1:51:18 PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 1:39:21 PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
    Are you saying he was shot at Parkland?
    Who said that ?
    Did you forget to take your medication again ?
    Connally held the hat all the way to Parkland. You are claiming his injuries would make him drop it. Ergo, he was shot at Parkland.

    You threw Gil a curve when you applied logic to his claims. He seems as befuddled by that as
    Joe Biden trying to give a speech without teleprompters or cue cards.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to geowright1963@gmail.com on Tue Sep 12 13:10:38 2023
    On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 12:55:12 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett <geowright1963@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 2:14:54?PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 1:51:18?PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 1:39:21?PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
    Are you saying he was shot at Parkland?
    Who said that ?
    Did you forget to take your medication again ?
    Connally held the hat all the way to Parkland. You are claiming his injuries would make him drop it. Ergo, he was shot at Parkland.

    You...

    Ran like the coward he is... yes.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to geowright1963@gmail.com on Tue Sep 12 13:09:56 2023
    On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 12:52:29 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett <geowright1963@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 1:24:12?PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 12:29:00?PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    No, Corbett claims Kennedy and Connally REACTED to the same bullet at Z226. They were actually both struck a few frames earlier. How many frames earlier is a matter of conjecture because we don't know how quickly they reacted. The latest the bullet
    could have struck was
    Z224 because that is the frame we see the lapel in Connally's coat bulge out.
    I'm sorry. Was Connally hit in the lapel ?

    His lapel was part of his suit coat which was moved by the bullet. The lapel would move with
    the rest of the coat.


    This is mere speculation on your part.


    This is your evidence ? Moving arms and moving lapels ?

    Very compelling evidence of the gunshot striking both men.


    Nah...


    You DO realize that there was a lot of movement inside the car during that motorcade ( waving and such ) and the car WAS moving, right ?
    You do relaize that the wind speed that day was 30 mph, strong enough to muss a President's hair numerous times and strong enough to flip a lapel, right ?

    YOUR Warren Report concluded that the earliest the first shot could have been fired would have been Z frame 207, because the shooter's view from the sixth floor was obstructed by
    a tree in front of the building. The Report also included that Kennedy and Connally were lined up for a single shot at Z frame 210 .( Report, pg. 106 )

    You are lying.


    Yet you can't quote the lie.


    Your silly theory is disproven by the evidence that says two shots could not be fired from the C2766 rifle in the 17 frames between when the Commission said the limo cleared the tree

    This is an example of your extremely poor reasoning skills. The theory is that one bullet struck
    both men. Ergo, it isn't necessary to explain how fast two shots could have been fired since one
    was all that was necessary.


    Sheer speculation...


    ( Z 207 ) and your one shot at Z224. That's less than a full second and the rifle couldn't be cycled that quickly.

    You are arguing ...


    Why can't you quote him?


    Or are you challenging the evidence ?

    I'm challenging...


    Not credibly...


    And your "one shot hit all" is further disproven by the medical experts who testified that CE 399 could not have made the wound in Governor Connally's wrist.

    You're ignoring the testimony of Col. Pierre Finck, who examined CE 399 and said that it could not have been the bullet that injured Connally's wrist
    because, "there are too many fragments described in that wrist". ( 2 H 382 )

    Tell us...


    Just did.


    You're also ignoring the testimony of Dr. Charles Gregory, who operated on the Governor's wrist. He described the bullet that made the
    entrance wound on the Governor's wrist as, "irregular....in some ways angular, it has edges or sharp edges or something of this sort....an irregular
    surface which would tend to catch and tear a structure rather than push it aside." ( 4 H 124 )

    Do you think...


    Yes moron... medical expertise is exactly that.

    I well understand why you don't like expert testimony... (or ANY
    testimony for that matter)


    That's not CE 399.

    Yes it is.


    Not according to *ALL* medical and some ballistic experts.

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  • From Gil Jesus@21:1/5 to Bud on Wed Sep 13 01:45:43 2023
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 2:14:54 PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
    Connally held the hat all the way to Parkland. You are claiming his injuries would make him drop it. Ergo, he was shot at Parkland.

    Citation ?

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to gjjmail1202@gmail.com on Wed Sep 13 07:29:59 2023
    On Wed, 13 Sep 2023 01:45:43 -0700 (PDT), Gil Jesus
    <gjjmail1202@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 2:14:54?PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
    Connally held the hat all the way to Parkland. You are claiming his injuries would make him drop it. Ergo, he was shot at Parkland.

    Citation ?


    I'm sure that you already know, Gil.... don't hold your breath.

    I'd like to see this moron produce a doctor who says that a bullet
    througth the wrist would *NOT* cause any problems with grasping
    something.

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  • From Bud@21:1/5 to Gil Jesus on Thu Sep 14 11:52:00 2023
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 4:45:44 AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 2:14:54 PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
    Connally held the hat all the way to Parkland. You are claiming his injuries would make him drop it. Ergo, he was shot at Parkland.
    Citation ?

    Nellie Connally interview with Texas Monthly....

    https://www.texasmonthly.com/news-politics/the-witnesses/

    “I looked toward the sound [of a shot], which is where the president was, and I saw his hands fly up to his face, and then I saw him sink down. Shot number one. John Connally was trying to see him—he looked to his right, and he couldn’t see the
    president. John was afraid they were shooting, and he turned left to see if he could see him, and in the process of turning back John was shot. Second shot. I pulled him down in my lap because I didn’t want them to hurt him anymore. I didn’t want
    them to shoot at him anymore. And while I had him in my lap, there was another shot. And my reaction to that was: bloody matter all over the car, it fell all over us. Third shot. John had his hat in his hand. He always had that hat somewhere. He had the
    hat in his hand when I pulled him over and crouched him down, and he was holding that hat up against him. We closed that wound that would’ve killed him before we got to the hospital. I didn’t know we were saving his life."

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to All on Thu Sep 14 13:04:45 2023
    On Thu, 14 Sep 2023 11:52:00 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirslick@fast.net>
    wrote:


    So, according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval" shape that was
    "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

    Chickenshit is TERRIFIED of this simple honest question. He knows
    that Bugliosi was a moron if he truly thought this... yet you can't
    get Chickenshit to publicly acknowledge that Bugliosi said this.

    It's a simple "Yes" or "No" question, and Chickenshit cannot cite
    where he has EVER answered it. (Without immediately denying it.)

    So it's going to keep getting asked until Chickenshit answers it.

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  • From John Corbett@21:1/5 to Bud on Thu Sep 14 15:11:00 2023
    On Thursday, September 14, 2023 at 2:52:02 PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 4:45:44 AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 2:14:54 PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
    Connally held the hat all the way to Parkland. You are claiming his injuries would make him drop it. Ergo, he was shot at Parkland.
    Citation ?
    Nellie Connally interview with Texas Monthly....

    https://www.texasmonthly.com/news-politics/the-witnesses/

    “I looked toward the sound [of a shot], which is where the president was, and I saw his hands fly up to his face, and then I saw him sink down. Shot number one. John Connally was trying to see him—he looked to his right, and he couldn’t see the
    president. John was afraid they were shooting, and he turned left to see if he could see him, and in the process of turning back John was shot. Second shot. I pulled him down in my lap because I didn’t want them to hurt him anymore. I didn’t want
    them to shoot at him anymore. And while I had him in my lap, there was another shot. And my reaction to that was: bloody matter all over the car, it fell all over us. Third shot. John had his hat in his hand. He always had that hat somewhere. He had the
    hat in his hand when I pulled him over and crouched him down, and he was holding that hat up against him. We closed that wound that would’ve killed him before we got to the hospital. I didn’t know we were saving his life."

    Now that you've provided Gil with the citation he asked for, look for him to bail out of this thread
    and recycle another golden oldie conspiracy myth. He hasn't responded to my post which
    exposed his illogical thought process and I doubt he'll respond to yours either. It's check out
    time for Gil.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to geowright1963@gmail.com on Thu Sep 14 15:39:28 2023
    On Thu, 14 Sep 2023 15:11:00 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett <geowright1963@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, September 14, 2023 at 2:52:02?PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 4:45:44?AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 2:14:54?PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
    Connally held the hat all the way to Parkland. You are claiming his injuries would make him drop it. Ergo, he was shot at Parkland.
    Citation ?
    Nellie Connally interview with Texas Monthly....

    https://www.texasmonthly.com/news-politics/the-witnesses/

    “I looked toward the sound [of a shot], which is where the president was, and I saw his hands fly up to his face, and then I saw him sink down. Shot number one. John Connally was trying to see him—he looked to his right, and he couldn’t see the
    president. John was afraid they were shooting, and he turned left to see if he could see him, and in the process of turning back John was shot. Second shot. I pulled him down in my lap because I didn’t want them to hurt him anymore. I didn’t want them to
    shoot at him anymore. And while I had him in my lap, there was another shot. And my reaction to that was: bloody matter all over the car, it fell all over us. Third shot. John had his hat in his hand. He always had that hat somewhere. He had the hat in
    his hand when I pulled him over and crouched him down, and he was holding that hat up against him. We closed that wound that would’ve killed him before we got to the hospital. I didn’t know we were saving his life."

    Now that you've provided Gil with the citation ...

    And shown it was second hand and 35 years later... As well as not
    saying what was claimed.

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  • From Bud@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Thu Sep 14 16:22:52 2023
    On Thursday, September 14, 2023 at 6:39:37 PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 14 Sep 2023 15:11:00 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett
    <geowri...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, September 14, 2023 at 2:52:02?PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 4:45:44?AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 2:14:54?PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
    Connally held the hat all the way to Parkland. You are claiming his injuries would make him drop it. Ergo, he was shot at Parkland.
    Citation ?
    Nellie Connally interview with Texas Monthly....

    https://www.texasmonthly.com/news-politics/the-witnesses/

    “I looked toward the sound [of a shot], which is where the president was, and I saw his hands fly up to his face, and then I saw him sink down. Shot number one. John Connally was trying to see him—he looked to his right, and he couldn’t see
    the president. John was afraid they were shooting, and he turned left to see if he could see him, and in the process of turning back John was shot. Second shot. I pulled him down in my lap because I didn’t want them to hurt him anymore. I didn’t want
    them to shoot at him anymore. And while I had him in my lap, there was another shot. And my reaction to that was: bloody matter all over the car, it fell all over us. Third shot. John had his hat in his hand. He always had that hat somewhere. He had the
    hat in his hand when I pulled him over and crouched him down, and he was holding that hat up against him. We closed that wound that would’ve killed him before we got to the hospital. I didn’t know we were saving his life."

    Now that you've provided Gil with the citation ...

    And shown it was second hand and 35 years later... As well as not
    saying what was claimed.

    Enough to show that there is evidence against the assumptions Gil and you were making.

    Interesting that I have to cite, yet Gil and you can make any claims you like without support.

    Some idiot even had the guts to write this....

    "I'd like to see this moron produce a doctor who says that a bullet througth the wrist would *NOT* cause any problems with grasping something."

    Always trying to shift the burden where anything you guys say is the default that must disproven.

    And I don`t know where you get the idea that doctors know everything. There must be dozens of ways a bullet can hit a wrist and you assume doctors would be knowledgeable about all of them.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to All on Thu Sep 14 16:42:27 2023
    On Thu, 14 Sep 2023 16:22:52 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirslick@fast.net>
    wrote:


    So, according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval" shape that was
    "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

    Chickenshit is TERRIFIED of this simple honest question. He knows
    that Bugliosi was a moron if he truly thought this... yet you can't
    get Chickenshit to publicly acknowledge that Bugliosi said this.

    It's a simple "Yes" or "No" question, and Chickenshit cannot cite
    where he has EVER answered it. (Without immediately denying it.)

    So it's going to keep getting asked until Chickenshit answers it.

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