• Provable Lies Of The Warren Commission - #15 - Just For Cowards Corbutt

    From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to All on Mon Sep 11 08:15:00 2023
    "Speculation.--Marina Oswald stated that she did not know that her
    husband owned a rifle nor did she know that he owned a pistol.

    Commission finding.--There is no evidence that Marina Oswald ever told
    this to any authorities. On the afternoon of November 22, she told the
    police that her husband owned a rifle and that he kept it in the
    garage of the Paine house in Irving. Later, at Dallas police
    headquarters, she said that she could not identify as her husband's
    the rifle shown her by policemen. When Marina Oswald appeared before
    the Commission she was shown the Mannlicher-Carcano 6.5 rifle found on
    the sixth floor of the Depository and identified it as the "fateful
    rifle of Lee Oswald."

    But unfortunately for the WCR's claim that there is no evidence for
    Marina ever denying that Oswald owned a rifle, you can find it in her testimony:

    Mr. RANKIN. Did you ever see him clean the rifle?
    Mrs. OSWALD. Yes. I said before I had never seen it before. But I
    think you understand. I want to help you, and that is why there is no
    reason for concealing anything. I will not be charged with anything.
    (1H 14)

    Whether she was originally lying, or started lying later - matters
    little. The *fact* is that there is certainly evidence that Marina
    originally *was* asserting that Oswald didn't have a rifle.

    Once again, the WCR simply lied.

    Watch carefully, and note that neither Corbutt nor Huckster Sienzant
    will respond. Both are cowards. (As they demonstrate.)

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  • From Chuck Schuyler@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Mon Sep 11 12:21:33 2023
    On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 10:15:08 AM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:

    "Speculation.--Marina Oswald stated that she did not know that her
    husband owned a rifle nor did she know that he owned a pistol.

    Commission finding.--There is no evidence that Marina Oswald ever told
    this to any authorities. On the afternoon of November 22, she told the police that her husband owned a rifle and that he kept it in the
    garage of the Paine house in Irving.

    Well known part of the assassination story. The cops showed up asking if Oswald owned a firearm and Ruth Paine helped translate for Marina and she pointed the cops to the blanket in the Paine garage where she knew the rifle was stored. As we all know,
    when the blanket was lifted, it was limp. No rifle.

    Later, at Dallas police
    headquarters, she said that she could not identify as her husband's
    the rifle shown her by policemen.

    Makes sense, as she probably paid little attention to the actual make or model of the rifle and couldn't verify it as her husband's rifle by sight. She simply knew he had a rifle. I own firearms and I promise my wife wouldn't be able to "identify" the
    weapons I own as being *my* weapons per se. She doesn't clean them or fire them or have any interest in them.

    When Marina Oswald appeared before
    the Commission she was shown the Mannlicher-Carcano 6.5 rifle found on
    the sixth floor of the Depository and identified it as the "fateful
    rifle of Lee Oswald."

    She's simply granting the point and speaking aloud of the "fateful" rifle as a given, since it had by then been established as being a ballistic match to the assassination.

    But unfortunately for the WCR's claim that there is no evidence for
    Marina ever denying that Oswald owned a rifle, you can find it in her testimony:

    Mr. RANKIN. Did you ever see him clean the rifle?
    Mrs. OSWALD. Yes.

    So she saw him clean it.

    I said before I had never seen it before. But I
    think you understand. I want to help you, and that is why there is no
    reason for concealing anything. I will not be charged with anything.
    (1H 14)

    She's relaying that prior to him brandishing it around and cleaning it (and her famously taking the BY photos of him posing with it and the pistol) she hadn't seen it before; it was a new "toy" in the household. We're all aware when he ordered it and
    when it was shipped to his Hidell PO Box.

    Whether she was originally lying, or started lying later - matters
    little. The *fact* is that there is certainly evidence that Marina originally *was* asserting that Oswald didn't have a rifle.

    Wrong. She told the cops via Ruth Paine that it was in the garage in a blanket, and the cops were taken to the garage. I'm surprised you are unaware of this.



    Once again, the WCR simply lied.

    Once again, your hobby points are smashed into little pieces. Go pick them up and put them together again and wait a few weeks or months and post them again.

    Watch carefully, and note that neither Corbutt nor Huckster Sienzant
    will respond. Both are cowards. (As they demonstrate.)

    Will the real JFK Truthers who can make arguments step up? Ben needs help.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to chuckschuyler123@gmail.com on Tue Sep 12 08:45:55 2023
    On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 12:21:33 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler <chuckschuyler123@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 10:15:08?AM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:

    "Speculation.--Marina Oswald stated that she did not know that her
    husband owned a rifle nor did she know that he owned a pistol.

    Commission finding.--There is no evidence that Marina Oswald ever told
    this to any authorities. On the afternoon of November 22, she told the
    police that her husband owned a rifle and that he kept it in the
    garage of the Paine house in Irving.

    Well known part of the assassination story.


    No, it's an unsupported LIE as I pont out with citations.


    Later, at Dallas police
    headquarters, she said that she could not identify as her husband's
    the rifle shown her by policemen.

    Makes sense...


    Not relevant to the lie told by the WC.


    When Marina Oswald appeared before
    the Commission she was shown the Mannlicher-Carcano 6.5 rifle found on
    the sixth floor of the Depository and identified it as the "fateful
    rifle of Lee Oswald."

    She's...


    Not relevant to the lie told by the WCR.


    But unfortunately for the WCR's claim that there is no evidence for
    Marina ever denying that Oswald owned a rifle, you can find it in her
    testimony:

    Mr. RANKIN. Did you ever see him clean the rifle?
    Mrs. OSWALD. Yes. I said before I had never seen it before. But I
    think you understand. I want to help you, and that is why there is no
    reason for concealing anything. I will not be charged with anything.
    (1H 14)

    She's ...


    Acknowledging in sworn testimony that she previously denied knowing
    that Oswald owned a rifle.

    Which proves the WCR's claim to be a lie.


    This makes *YOU* incapable of reading, reasoning, or simply telling
    the truth, one or more of the three...


    Whether she was originally lying, or started lying later - matters
    little. The *fact* is that there is certainly evidence that Marina
    originally *was* asserting that Oswald didn't have a rifle.

    Wrong.


    Right. And quoted above.

    Sworn testimony **IS** evidence, despite your denial.


    Once again, the WCR simply lied.

    Once again...


    You refuse to admit it, yes; I knew that before you ever responded.


    Watch carefully, and note that neither Corbutt nor Huckster Sienzant
    will respond. Both are cowards. (As they demonstrate.)


    And thus far, neither Corbutt nor Huckster has responded.

    Chuckles is too dishonest to admit this publicly.

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