Recently Gil wrote this...assumption that the face Connally is making is the result of air being pushed out of his lungs, and not from the pain.
"Corbett doesn't realize that Connally's lung had collapsed and would have puffed out his cheeks as it forced air from his lungs. This was an involuntary reaction Connally would have had no control over. His cheeks don't puff out until Z-238."
He acts like is is speaking with authority, but he is really just talking out his ass. He is making the groundless assumption that a lung would collapse immediately, like a balloon or the piñatas of his home country. He further makes the groundless
I found these offerings on Q&A boards, people can take them for whatever they think they are worth (but to me they seem to make more sense than Gil`s baseless assumptions)...so no matter how hard the victim breathes, it will still suffocate. And the last thing - the lungs are slowly filled with bodily liquids and thus cannot function properly."
"Well, first of all the lung is punctured, meaning that it is a very damn serious trauma that inflicts a lot of pain. Secondly, the chamber, where the lung sits, is also punctured, meaning that the lungs lose the ability to pump air and slowly collapse,
https://www.reddit.com/r/writingadvice/comments/lq4tm0/chances_of_survival_from_getting_shot_in_the_lung/collapse completely and you’ll be oxygenating out of one side only. Sometimes even more pressure builds up and actually can begin to push the heart and trachea over to the other side as well as making it difficult for blood to return to the heart (due
"An isolated lung injury from a gun shot wound would likely result in a tension pneumothorax 7 in which air leaks out of the lung with each breath building up pressure in the chest cavity and collapsing the lung. Given enough pressure the lung will
https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-does-it-feel-like-to-die-from-a-gunshot-to-the-lung/702407/2
Medical sources back up that it is a buildup, not an immediate collapse... https://myhealth.alberta.ca/Health/aftercareinformation/pages/conditions.aspx?hwid=uh3682
https://www.pennmedicine.org/for-patients-and-visitors/patient-information/conditions-treated-a-to-z/collapsed-lung-pneumothorax
On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 8:59:59 PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:groundless assumption that the face Connally is making is the result of air being pushed out of his lungs, and not from the pain.
On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 8:30:30 PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
Recently Gil wrote this...
"Corbett doesn't realize that Connally's lung had collapsed and would have puffed out his cheeks as it forced air from his lungs. This was an involuntary reaction Connally would have had no control over. His cheeks don't puff out until Z-238."
He acts like is is speaking with authority, but he is really just talking out his ass. He is making the groundless assumption that a lung would collapse immediately, like a balloon or the piñatas of his home country. He further makes the
collapse, so no matter how hard the victim breathes, it will still suffocate. And the last thing - the lungs are slowly filled with bodily liquids and thus cannot function properly."I found these offerings on Q&A boards, people can take them for whatever they think they are worth (but to me they seem to make more sense than Gil`s baseless assumptions)...
"Well, first of all the lung is punctured, meaning that it is a very damn serious trauma that inflicts a lot of pain. Secondly, the chamber, where the lung sits, is also punctured, meaning that the lungs lose the ability to pump air and slowly
collapse completely and you’ll be oxygenating out of one side only. Sometimes even more pressure builds up and actually can begin to push the heart and trachea over to the other side as well as making it difficult for blood to return to the heart (duehttps://www.reddit.com/r/writingadvice/comments/lq4tm0/chances_of_survival_from_getting_shot_in_the_lung/
"An isolated lung injury from a gun shot wound would likely result in a tension pneumothorax 7 in which air leaks out of the lung with each breath building up pressure in the chest cavity and collapsing the lung. Given enough pressure the lung will
breath the pressure outside the lung gets greater (kind of how a garden sprayer works). Eventually the pressure outside the lung is greater than inside the lung and the lung collapses.https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-does-it-feel-like-to-die-from-a-gunshot-to-the-lung/702407/2
Medical sources back up that it is a buildup, not an immediate collapse...
https://myhealth.alberta.ca/Health/aftercareinformation/pages/conditions.aspx?hwid=uh3682
It is retard figuring borne of desperation.https://www.pennmedicine.org/for-patients-and-visitors/patient-information/conditions-treated-a-to-z/collapsed-lung-pneumothoraxCiting actual medical websites seems a lot more compelling than Gil's unsourced claims. It
seems to be a common practice among CTs to substitute their laymen's opinions over those
of people who actually have expertise in a particular field.
As long was we are throwing laymen's opinions around, here is mine. I don't see how aEvery time you take a breathe there is pressure in the lungs. When you exhale there is little or no pressure in the lungs. So when you breathe in a small amount of that pressured air goes into the bullet hole, and is now outside of the lung. Every
perforating bullet is going to force air out of the lung and into Connally's cheeks. That
would require a squeezing of the lungs, not a bullet passing through a lung.
On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 8:30:30 PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:assumption that the face Connally is making is the result of air being pushed out of his lungs, and not from the pain.
Recently Gil wrote this...
"Corbett doesn't realize that Connally's lung had collapsed and would have puffed out his cheeks as it forced air from his lungs. This was an involuntary reaction Connally would have had no control over. His cheeks don't puff out until Z-238."
He acts like is is speaking with authority, but he is really just talking out his ass. He is making the groundless assumption that a lung would collapse immediately, like a balloon or the piñatas of his home country. He further makes the groundless
collapse, so no matter how hard the victim breathes, it will still suffocate. And the last thing - the lungs are slowly filled with bodily liquids and thus cannot function properly."I found these offerings on Q&A boards, people can take them for whatever they think they are worth (but to me they seem to make more sense than Gil`s baseless assumptions)...
"Well, first of all the lung is punctured, meaning that it is a very damn serious trauma that inflicts a lot of pain. Secondly, the chamber, where the lung sits, is also punctured, meaning that the lungs lose the ability to pump air and slowly
collapse completely and you’ll be oxygenating out of one side only. Sometimes even more pressure builds up and actually can begin to push the heart and trachea over to the other side as well as making it difficult for blood to return to the heart (duehttps://www.reddit.com/r/writingadvice/comments/lq4tm0/chances_of_survival_from_getting_shot_in_the_lung/
"An isolated lung injury from a gun shot wound would likely result in a tension pneumothorax 7 in which air leaks out of the lung with each breath building up pressure in the chest cavity and collapsing the lung. Given enough pressure the lung will
https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-does-it-feel-like-to-die-from-a-gunshot-to-the-lung/702407/2
Medical sources back up that it is a buildup, not an immediate collapse... https://myhealth.alberta.ca/Health/aftercareinformation/pages/conditions.aspx?hwid=uh3682
https://www.pennmedicine.org/for-patients-and-visitors/patient-information/conditions-treated-a-to-z/collapsed-lung-pneumothoraxCiting actual medical websites seems a lot more compelling than Gil's unsourced claims. It
seems to be a common practice among CTs to substitute their laymen's opinions over those
of people who actually have expertise in a particular field.
As long was we are throwing laymen's opinions around, here is mine. I don't see how a
perforating bullet is going to force air out of the lung and into Connally's cheeks. That
would require a squeezing of the lungs, not a bullet passing through a lung.
On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 9:26:53 PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:groundless assumption that the face Connally is making is the result of air being pushed out of his lungs, and not from the pain.
On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 8:59:59 PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 8:30:30 PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
Recently Gil wrote this...
"Corbett doesn't realize that Connally's lung had collapsed and would have puffed out his cheeks as it forced air from his lungs. This was an involuntary reaction Connally would have had no control over. His cheeks don't puff out until Z-238."
He acts like is is speaking with authority, but he is really just talking out his ass. He is making the groundless assumption that a lung would collapse immediately, like a balloon or the piñatas of his home country. He further makes the
collapse, so no matter how hard the victim breathes, it will still suffocate. And the last thing - the lungs are slowly filled with bodily liquids and thus cannot function properly."I found these offerings on Q&A boards, people can take them for whatever they think they are worth (but to me they seem to make more sense than Gil`s baseless assumptions)...
"Well, first of all the lung is punctured, meaning that it is a very damn serious trauma that inflicts a lot of pain. Secondly, the chamber, where the lung sits, is also punctured, meaning that the lungs lose the ability to pump air and slowly
will collapse completely and you’ll be oxygenating out of one side only. Sometimes even more pressure builds up and actually can begin to push the heart and trachea over to the other side as well as making it difficult for blood to return to the heart (https://www.reddit.com/r/writingadvice/comments/lq4tm0/chances_of_survival_from_getting_shot_in_the_lung/
"An isolated lung injury from a gun shot wound would likely result in a tension pneumothorax 7 in which air leaks out of the lung with each breath building up pressure in the chest cavity and collapsing the lung. Given enough pressure the lung
breath the pressure outside the lung gets greater (kind of how a garden sprayer works). Eventually the pressure outside the lung is greater than inside the lung and the lung collapses.https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-does-it-feel-like-to-die-from-a-gunshot-to-the-lung/702407/2
Medical sources back up that it is a buildup, not an immediate collapse...
https://myhealth.alberta.ca/Health/aftercareinformation/pages/conditions.aspx?hwid=uh3682
It is retard figuring borne of desperation.https://www.pennmedicine.org/for-patients-and-visitors/patient-information/conditions-treated-a-to-z/collapsed-lung-pneumothoraxCiting actual medical websites seems a lot more compelling than Gil's unsourced claims. It
seems to be a common practice among CTs to substitute their laymen's opinions over those
of people who actually have expertise in a particular field.
As long was we are throwing laymen's opinions around, here is mine. I don't see how aEvery time you take a breathe there is pressure in the lungs. When you exhale there is little or no pressure in the lungs. So when you breathe in a small amount of that pressured air goes into the bullet hole, and is now outside of the lung. Every
perforating bullet is going to force air out of the lung and into Connally's cheeks. That
would require a squeezing of the lungs, not a bullet passing through a lung.
It seems to me the air would be forced out of the two bullet holes as the lung collapsed, not
forced into Connally's cheeks. In any event, the puffing of Connally's cheeks happened within
one second of the bullet strike so I doubt the collapsing of the lung had anything to do with it.
On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 9:34:07 PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:groundless assumption that the face Connally is making is the result of air being pushed out of his lungs, and not from the pain.
On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 9:26:53 PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 8:59:59 PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 8:30:30 PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
Recently Gil wrote this...
"Corbett doesn't realize that Connally's lung had collapsed and would have puffed out his cheeks as it forced air from his lungs. This was an involuntary reaction Connally would have had no control over. His cheeks don't puff out until Z-238."
He acts like is is speaking with authority, but he is really just talking out his ass. He is making the groundless assumption that a lung would collapse immediately, like a balloon or the piñatas of his home country. He further makes the
collapse, so no matter how hard the victim breathes, it will still suffocate. And the last thing - the lungs are slowly filled with bodily liquids and thus cannot function properly."I found these offerings on Q&A boards, people can take them for whatever they think they are worth (but to me they seem to make more sense than Gil`s baseless assumptions)...
"Well, first of all the lung is punctured, meaning that it is a very damn serious trauma that inflicts a lot of pain. Secondly, the chamber, where the lung sits, is also punctured, meaning that the lungs lose the ability to pump air and slowly
will collapse completely and you’ll be oxygenating out of one side only. Sometimes even more pressure builds up and actually can begin to push the heart and trachea over to the other side as well as making it difficult for blood to return to the heart (https://www.reddit.com/r/writingadvice/comments/lq4tm0/chances_of_survival_from_getting_shot_in_the_lung/
"An isolated lung injury from a gun shot wound would likely result in a tension pneumothorax 7 in which air leaks out of the lung with each breath building up pressure in the chest cavity and collapsing the lung. Given enough pressure the lung
breath the pressure outside the lung gets greater (kind of how a garden sprayer works). Eventually the pressure outside the lung is greater than inside the lung and the lung collapses.https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-does-it-feel-like-to-die-from-a-gunshot-to-the-lung/702407/2
Medical sources back up that it is a buildup, not an immediate collapse...
https://myhealth.alberta.ca/Health/aftercareinformation/pages/conditions.aspx?hwid=uh3682
It is retard figuring borne of desperation.https://www.pennmedicine.org/for-patients-and-visitors/patient-information/conditions-treated-a-to-z/collapsed-lung-pneumothoraxCiting actual medical websites seems a lot more compelling than Gil's unsourced claims. It
seems to be a common practice among CTs to substitute their laymen's opinions over those
of people who actually have expertise in a particular field.
As long was we are throwing laymen's opinions around, here is mine. I don't see how aEvery time you take a breathe there is pressure in the lungs. When you exhale there is little or no pressure in the lungs. So when you breathe in a small amount of that pressured air goes into the bullet hole, and is now outside of the lung. Every
perforating bullet is going to force air out of the lung and into Connally's cheeks. That
would require a squeezing of the lungs, not a bullet passing through a lung.
the rib. Any air would have escaped through that hole/cut into the chest cavity and not expelled through the mouth. Wouldn't that be the process? Or does a lung react differently? I wouldn't think so.It seems to me the air would be forced out of the two bullet holes as the lung collapsed, notThat seems to me what would have happened. The lung wasn't pressed or squeezed like a balloon until it collapsed with the air rushing out of the top/mouth. The lung collapsed *after* it was perforated or cut/torn open by the bullet and by fragments of
forced into Connally's cheeks. In any event, the puffing of Connally's cheeks happened within
one second of the bullet strike so I doubt the collapsing of the lung had anything to do with it.
Here is Shaw's description of the damaged lung: "Inspection of the lung revealed that the middle lobe had a long tear which separated the lobe into approximately two equal segments. This tear extended up into the hilum of the lobe...lobe extending on into the median basal segment. At one point there was a laceration in the surface of the lobe approximating a centimeter in length, undoubtedly caused by one of the penetrating rib fragments. A single mattress suture No. 3 O chromic gut
And: "Upon repair of the lobe it expanded well upon pressure on the anesthetic bag with very little in the way of peripheral leak. Attention was next turned to the lower lobe. There was a large hematoma in the anterior basal segment of the right lower
So the tear in the lungs caused it to collapse with the air escaping through those tears/holes. A tear wouldn't cause the air to rush up through the mouth. Once the repair of the lobe was done the lung then expanded back.
Shaw's testimony: https://www.jfk-assassination.net/russ/testimony/shaw2.htm.
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 11:39:05 AM UTC-4, Steven Galbraith wrote:
On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 9:34:07 PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 9:26:53 PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 8:59:59 PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 8:30:30 PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
Recently Gil wrote this...
"Corbett doesn't realize that Connally's lung had collapsed and would have puffed out his cheeks as it forced air from his lungs. This was an involuntary reaction Connally would have had no control over. His cheeks don't puff out until Z-238."
groundless assumption that the face Connally is making is the result of air being pushed out of his lungs, and not from the pain.He acts like is is speaking with authority, but he is really just talking out his ass. He is making the groundless assumption that a lung would collapse immediately, like a balloon or the piñatas of his home country. He further makes the
slowly collapse, so no matter how hard the victim breathes, it will still suffocate. And the last thing - the lungs are slowly filled with bodily liquids and thus cannot function properly."I found these offerings on Q&A boards, people can take them for whatever they think they are worth (but to me they seem to make more sense than Gil`s baseless assumptions)...
"Well, first of all the lung is punctured, meaning that it is a very damn serious trauma that inflicts a lot of pain. Secondly, the chamber, where the lung sits, is also punctured, meaning that the lungs lose the ability to pump air and
lung will collapse completely and you’ll be oxygenating out of one side only. Sometimes even more pressure builds up and actually can begin to push the heart and trachea over to the other side as well as making it difficult for blood to return to thehttps://www.reddit.com/r/writingadvice/comments/lq4tm0/chances_of_survival_from_getting_shot_in_the_lung/
"An isolated lung injury from a gun shot wound would likely result in a tension pneumothorax 7 in which air leaks out of the lung with each breath building up pressure in the chest cavity and collapsing the lung. Given enough pressure the
Every breath the pressure outside the lung gets greater (kind of how a garden sprayer works). Eventually the pressure outside the lung is greater than inside the lung and the lung collapses.https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-does-it-feel-like-to-die-from-a-gunshot-to-the-lung/702407/2
Medical sources back up that it is a buildup, not an immediate collapse...
https://myhealth.alberta.ca/Health/aftercareinformation/pages/conditions.aspx?hwid=uh3682
It is retard figuring borne of desperation.https://www.pennmedicine.org/for-patients-and-visitors/patient-information/conditions-treated-a-to-z/collapsed-lung-pneumothoraxCiting actual medical websites seems a lot more compelling than Gil's unsourced claims. It
seems to be a common practice among CTs to substitute their laymen's opinions over those
of people who actually have expertise in a particular field.
As long was we are throwing laymen's opinions around, here is mine. I don't see how aEvery time you take a breathe there is pressure in the lungs. When you exhale there is little or no pressure in the lungs. So when you breathe in a small amount of that pressured air goes into the bullet hole, and is now outside of the lung.
perforating bullet is going to force air out of the lung and into Connally's cheeks. That
would require a squeezing of the lungs, not a bullet passing through a lung.
of the rib. Any air would have escaped through that hole/cut into the chest cavity and not expelled through the mouth. Wouldn't that be the process? Or does a lung react differently? I wouldn't think so.It seems to me the air would be forced out of the two bullet holes as the lung collapsed, notThat seems to me what would have happened. The lung wasn't pressed or squeezed like a balloon until it collapsed with the air rushing out of the top/mouth. The lung collapsed *after* it was perforated or cut/torn open by the bullet and by fragments
forced into Connally's cheeks. In any event, the puffing of Connally's cheeks happened within
one second of the bullet strike so I doubt the collapsing of the lung had anything to do with it.
My thinking is that the lung is more akin to one of those old hot water bottles than a balloon. You could fill them with water and stab it, and it wouldn`t necessarily lose water unless you squeezed it, creating the necessary pressure to force thewater out. Breathing creates pressure in the lungs, although this source seems to say that it is the opposite of what I thought, and the pressure is greater when you exhale.
https://courses.lumenlearning.com/suny-ap2/chapter/the-process-of-breathing-no-content/lower lobe extending on into the median basal segment. At one point there was a laceration in the surface of the lobe approximating a centimeter in length, undoubtedly caused by one of the penetrating rib fragments. A single mattress suture No. 3 O
It is the breathing that forces air through the bullet wounds into the area surrounding the lungs. As I understand it, this is what causes the lungs to collapse, too much pressure around the outside of the lungs.
Here is Shaw's description of the damaged lung: "Inspection of the lung revealed that the middle lobe had a long tear which separated the lobe into approximately two equal segments. This tear extended up into the hilum of the lobe...
And: "Upon repair of the lobe it expanded well upon pressure on the anesthetic bag with very little in the way of peripheral leak. Attention was next turned to the lower lobe. There was a large hematoma in the anterior basal segment of the right
Yeah, a hot water bottle or partially deflated/inflated balloon is a better analogy than a full balloon. So the lung collapsed *not* when it was perforated with the air being expelled but from the outside pressure on a perforated lung. Shaw said the lungSo the tear in the lungs caused it to collapse with the air escaping through those tears/holes. A tear wouldn't cause the air to rush up through the mouth. Once the repair of the lobe was done the lung then expanded back.
Shaw's testimony: https://www.jfk-assassination.net/russ/testimony/shaw2.htm.
Recently Gil wrote this...assumption that the face Connally is making is the result of air being pushed out of his lungs, and not from the pain.
"Corbett doesn't realize that Connally's lung had collapsed and would have puffed out his cheeks as it forced air from his lungs. This was an involuntary reaction Connally would have had no control over. His cheeks don't puff out until Z-238."
He acts like is is speaking with authority, but he is really just talking out his ass. He is making the groundless assumption that a lung would collapse immediately, like a balloon or the piñatas of his home country. He further makes the groundless
I found these offerings on Q&A boards, people can take them for whatever they think they are worth (but to me they seem to make more sense than Gil`s baseless assumptions)...
On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 8:30:30 PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:assumption that the face Connally is making is the result of air being pushed out of his lungs, and not from the pain.
Recently Gil wrote this...
"Corbett doesn't realize that Connally's lung had collapsed and would have puffed out his cheeks as it forced air from his lungs. This was an involuntary reaction Connally would have had no control over. His cheeks don't puff out until Z-238."
He acts like is is speaking with authority, but he is really just talking out his ass. He is making the groundless assumption that a lung would collapse immediately, like a balloon or the piñatas of his home country. He further makes the groundless
puffing of the cheeks is the same result one would get from air being forced from the lungs by a violent cough.I found these offerings on Q&A boards, people can take them for whatever they think they are worth (but to me they seem to make more sense than Gil`s baseless assumptions)...You can always pick out the Lone Nutters because they all line up to put their two cents in when it comes to insults.
Bud goes to Q&A boards for medical advice.
Brilliant.
But Dr. Charles Gregory told Josiah Thompson that a necessary consequence of a shot through Connally's chest would be a compression of the chest wall and an INVOLUNTARY opening of the epiglottis, followed by escaping air forcing open his mouth. The
My "assumption" wasn't "baseless", it was based on the opinion of a medical doctor, that is, a medical expert.
Not on some clowns on an internet Q&A board.
And while we're on the subject of "baseless assumptions", let's talk about a couple of yours.
You claimed the gunsack was 41 inches although there is absolutely no evidence of that.
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.conspiracy.jfk/c/33a9MbNPYEg
That's a lie.
You claimed it was possible to touch things and not leave fingerprints. That's a lie.
https://www.scienceworld.ca/resource/finding-fingerprints/#:~:text=In%20this%20activity%2C%20students%20learn,patterns%2C%20on%20everything%20we%20touch
That's just a couple of recent ones. I'm sure if I went back in the archives I could find plenty more.
With the exception of Corbett, no one make more baseless assumptions than Bud.
On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 8:30:30 PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:assumption that the face Connally is making is the result of air being pushed out of his lungs, and not from the pain.
Recently Gil wrote this...
"Corbett doesn't realize that Connally's lung had collapsed and would have puffed out his cheeks as it forced air from his lungs. This was an involuntary reaction Connally would have had no control over. His cheeks don't puff out until Z-238."
He acts like is is speaking with authority, but he is really just talking out his ass. He is making the groundless assumption that a lung would collapse immediately, like a balloon or the piñatas of his home country. He further makes the groundless
puffing of the cheeks is the same result one would get from air being forced from the lungs by a violent cough.I found these offerings on Q&A boards, people can take them for whatever they think they are worth (but to me they seem to make more sense than Gil`s baseless assumptions)...You can always pick out the Lone Nutters because they all line up to put their two cents in when it comes to insults.
Bud goes to Q&A boards for medical advice.
Brilliant.
But Dr. Charles Gregory told Josiah Thompson that a necessary consequence of a shot through Connally's chest would be a compression of the chest wall and an INVOLUNTARY opening of the epiglottis, followed by escaping air forcing open his mouth. The
Connally's cheeks puffed
within approximately 3/4 of a second of the bullet strike which occurred no later than Z224. His
first visible reaction is his arm flip which began at Z226.
On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 5:59:58 AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:groundless assumption that the face Connally is making is the result of air being pushed out of his lungs, and not from the pain.
On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 8:30:30 PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
Recently Gil wrote this...
"Corbett doesn't realize that Connally's lung had collapsed and would have puffed out his cheeks as it forced air from his lungs. This was an involuntary reaction Connally would have had no control over. His cheeks don't puff out until Z-238."
He acts like is is speaking with authority, but he is really just talking out his ass. He is making the groundless assumption that a lung would collapse immediately, like a balloon or the piñatas of his home country. He further makes the
puffing of the cheeks is the same result one would get from air being forced from the lungs by a violent cough.I found these offerings on Q&A boards, people can take them for whatever they think they are worth (but to me they seem to make more sense than Gil`s baseless assumptions)...You can always pick out the Lone Nutters because they all line up to put their two cents in when it comes to insults.
Bud goes to Q&A boards for medical advice.
Brilliant.
But Dr. Charles Gregory told Josiah Thompson that a necessary consequence of a shot through Connally's chest would be a compression of the chest wall and an INVOLUNTARY opening of the epiglottis, followed by escaping air forcing open his mouth. The
Does Dr. Gregory say what the time lag will be between the bullet strike and the puffing of the
cheeks? The puffing of Connally's cheeks occurs after he has already started twisting and dipping
to his right so we can safely say this doesn't happen instantaneously. Connally's cheeks puffed
within approximately 3/4 of a second of the bullet strike which occurred no later than Z224. His
first visible reaction is his arm flip which began at Z226.
What medical utility does this have that they would teach it to doctors in medical school, why would they fill their heads up with trivia like this?
On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 8:17:07 AM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
What medical utility does this have that they would teach it to doctors in medical school, why would they fill their heads up with trivia like this?You seem to know about what medical schools teach.
What medical school did you go to ?
On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 7:14:27 AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
Connally's cheeks puffedThe Warren Commission claimed that the first shot could not have been fired until Z-207.
within approximately 3/4 of a second of the bullet strike which occurred no later than Z224. His
first visible reaction is his arm flip which began at Z226.
Connally testified that he was not hit by the first shot. He knew this because he heard the shot and had not been hit because the bullet travelled faster than the speed of sound.
Hence he would have felt it before he heard the shot.
Because he heard the shot and had not been hit, he knew he hadn't been hit by the first shot.
So Connally was hit by the second shot.
Sam Holland was standing on the overpass looking down into the car and corroborated Connally's account.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNZ2xCrzulI
Now explain how there could have been two shots fired from the C 2766 rifle in the 17 Z-frames ( 0.928 seconds ) between when the Commission claimed the EARLIEST first shot was fired ( Z-207 )
and your single bullet striking both victims at Z-224.
On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 8:17:07 AM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
What medical utility does this have that they would teach it to doctors in medical school, why would they fill their heads up with trivia like this?You seem to know about what medical schools teach.
What medical school did you go to ?
On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 8:11:09 AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
Now explain how there could have been two shots fired from the C 2766 rifle in the 17 Z-frames ( 0.928 seconds ) between when the Commission claimed the EARLIEST first shot was fired ( Z-207 )No they didn't you dumbass. They said that was the earliest it COULD HAVE been fired. Could
have does not mean it was fired at Z207. No wonder you can't figure this thing out. You're too
fucking stupid.
On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 9:24:07 AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 8:17:07 AM UTC-4, Bud wrote:I apply reason to information. I know this astounds you that people can do this because you cannot.
What medical utility does this have that they would teach it to doctors in medical school, why would they fill their heads up with trivia like this?You seem to know about what medical schools teach.
Explain why they would need to teach this to doctors. How would it help them treat the damage that bullets inflict?
What medical school did you go to ?By all means, show that this is taught in medical school. Show video of people shot in the chest having their cheeks puff out. Show something.
On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 10:29:13 AM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 9:24:07 AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 8:17:07 AM UTC-4, Bud wrote:I apply reason to information. I know this astounds you that people can do this because you cannot.
What medical utility does this have that they would teach it to doctors in medical school, why would they fill their heads up with trivia like this?You seem to know about what medical schools teach.
Explain why they would need to teach this to doctors. How would it help them treat the damage that bullets inflict?It's a good way for college students to make a little extra money on the side. They volunteer to
What medical school did you go to ?By all means, show that this is taught in medical school. Show video of people shot in the chest having their cheeks puff out. Show something.
be filmed getting shot so medical students can see how a person reacts.
On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 11:06:29 AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:his field. Doctors don`t do this. It is kind of like saying they are experts on automotive crashes because they treat the victims of automotive crashes. It doesn`t follow and it isn`t necessary.
On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 10:29:13 AM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 9:24:07 AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 8:17:07 AM UTC-4, Bud wrote:I apply reason to information. I know this astounds you that people can do this because you cannot.
What medical utility does this have that they would teach it to doctors in medical school, why would they fill their heads up with trivia like this?You seem to know about what medical schools teach.
I don`t see how this is necessary, or even useful information for saving lives. Whether people`s cheeks puff out when shot has no bearing on the treatment of the wounds (which is what doctors do).Explain why they would need to teach this to doctors. How would it help them treat the damage that bullets inflict?It's a good way for college students to make a little extra money on the side. They volunteer to
What medical school did you go to ?By all means, show that this is taught in medical school. Show video of people shot in the chest having their cheeks puff out. Show something.
be filmed getting shot so medical students can see how a person reacts.
The conspiracy hobbyists think that medical people are wound ballistic experts, but they aren`t, it is a completely different field. Olivier, the wound ballistic expert for the Army viewed shootings using high speed cameras because it was relevant to
I did a little searching for reactions of people shot in the chest. In many it is unclear where the person is hit, or the face is blurred so they aren`t that useful to this issue.
The following is a fatal shooting...
Mãe PM atira em ladrão na porta de escola em São Paulo
If you freeze it about 0:29 this is around when he is shot, and no cheek puffing. His mouth does open in pain as he is falling.
Backstory is that this is an attempted stick up in Brazil.
On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 12:35:55 PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:his field. Doctors don`t do this. It is kind of like saying they are experts on automotive crashes because they treat the victims of automotive crashes. It doesn`t follow and it isn`t necessary.
On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 11:06:29 AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 10:29:13 AM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 9:24:07 AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 8:17:07 AM UTC-4, Bud wrote:I apply reason to information. I know this astounds you that people can do this because you cannot.
What medical utility does this have that they would teach it to doctors in medical school, why would they fill their heads up with trivia like this?You seem to know about what medical schools teach.
I don`t see how this is necessary, or even useful information for saving lives. Whether people`s cheeks puff out when shot has no bearing on the treatment of the wounds (which is what doctors do).Explain why they would need to teach this to doctors. How would it help them treat the damage that bullets inflict?It's a good way for college students to make a little extra money on the side. They volunteer to
What medical school did you go to ?By all means, show that this is taught in medical school. Show video of people shot in the chest having their cheeks puff out. Show something.
be filmed getting shot so medical students can see how a person reacts.
The conspiracy hobbyists think that medical people are wound ballistic experts, but they aren`t, it is a completely different field. Olivier, the wound ballistic expert for the Army viewed shootings using high speed cameras because it was relevant to
I did a little searching for reactions of people shot in the chest. In many it is unclear where the person is hit, or the face is blurred so they aren`t that useful to this issue.
The following is a fatal shooting...
Mãe PM atira em ladrão na porta de escola em São PauloForgot the link...
https://youtu.be/wSdYIbi-lLU?si=SvvlG_4DxayAIXC7
On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 2:37:59 PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:to his field. Doctors don`t do this. It is kind of like saying they are experts on automotive crashes because they treat the victims of automotive crashes. It doesn`t follow and it isn`t necessary.
On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 12:35:55 PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 11:06:29 AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 10:29:13 AM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 9:24:07 AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 8:17:07 AM UTC-4, Bud wrote:I apply reason to information. I know this astounds you that people can do this because you cannot.
What medical utility does this have that they would teach it to doctors in medical school, why would they fill their heads up with trivia like this?You seem to know about what medical schools teach.
I don`t see how this is necessary, or even useful information for saving lives. Whether people`s cheeks puff out when shot has no bearing on the treatment of the wounds (which is what doctors do).Explain why they would need to teach this to doctors. How would it help them treat the damage that bullets inflict?It's a good way for college students to make a little extra money on the side. They volunteer to
What medical school did you go to ?By all means, show that this is taught in medical school. Show video of people shot in the chest having their cheeks puff out. Show something.
be filmed getting shot so medical students can see how a person reacts.
The conspiracy hobbyists think that medical people are wound ballistic experts, but they aren`t, it is a completely different field. Olivier, the wound ballistic expert for the Army viewed shootings using high speed cameras because it was relevant
I did a little searching for reactions of people shot in the chest. In many it is unclear where the person is hit, or the face is blurred so they aren`t that useful to this issue.
The following is a fatal shooting...
Mãe PM atira em ladrão na porta de escola em São PauloForgot the link...
https://youtu.be/wSdYIbi-lLU?si=SvvlG_4DxayAIXC7Love those videos with a happy ending. Another example of a good guy (or in this case a good
gal) with a gun stopping a bad guy with a gun. Don't know if that woman was a cop or just an
armed citizen but she obviously knew what she was doing, both in taking the scum down and
then keeping him under control after he hit the ground.
On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 8:30:30 PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:assumption that the face Connally is making is the result of air being pushed out of his lungs, and not from the pain.
Recently Gil wrote this...
"Corbett doesn't realize that Connally's lung had collapsed and would have puffed out his cheeks as it forced air from his lungs. This was an involuntary reaction Connally would have had no control over. His cheeks don't puff out until Z-238."
He acts like is is speaking with authority, but he is really just talking out his ass. He is making the groundless assumption that a lung would collapse immediately, like a balloon or the piñatas of his home country. He further makes the groundless
collapse, so no matter how hard the victim breathes, it will still suffocate. And the last thing - the lungs are slowly filled with bodily liquids and thus cannot function properly."I found these offerings on Q&A boards, people can take them for whatever they think they are worth (but to me they seem to make more sense than Gil`s baseless assumptions)...
"Well, first of all the lung is punctured, meaning that it is a very damn serious trauma that inflicts a lot of pain. Secondly, the chamber, where the lung sits, is also punctured, meaning that the lungs lose the ability to pump air and slowly
collapse completely and you’ll be oxygenating out of one side only. Sometimes even more pressure builds up and actually can begin to push the heart and trachea over to the other side as well as making it difficult for blood to return to the heart (duehttps://www.reddit.com/r/writingadvice/comments/lq4tm0/chances_of_survival_from_getting_shot_in_the_lung/
"An isolated lung injury from a gun shot wound would likely result in a tension pneumothorax 7 in which air leaks out of the lung with each breath building up pressure in the chest cavity and collapsing the lung. Given enough pressure the lung will
https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-does-it-feel-like-to-die-from-a-gunshot-to-the-lung/702407/2
Medical sources back up that it is a buildup, not an immediate collapse... https://myhealth.alberta.ca/Health/aftercareinformation/pages/conditions.aspx?hwid=uh3682
https://www.pennmedicine.org/for-patients-and-visitors/patient-information/conditions-treated-a-to-z/collapsed-lung-pneumothoraxCiting actual medical websites seems a lot more compelling than Gil's unsourced claims. It
seems to be a common practice among CTs to substitute their laymen's opinions over those
of people who actually have expertise in a particular field.
As long was we are throwing laymen's opinions around, here is mine. I don't see how a
perforating bullet is going to force air out of the lung and into Connally's cheeks. That
would require a squeezing of the lungs, not a bullet passing through a lung.
On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 8:30:30 PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:assumption that the face Connally is making is the result of air being pushed out of his lungs, and not from the pain.
Recently Gil wrote this...
"Corbett doesn't realize that Connally's lung had collapsed and would have puffed out his cheeks as it forced air from his lungs. This was an involuntary reaction Connally would have had no control over. His cheeks don't puff out until Z-238."
He acts like is is speaking with authority, but he is really just talking out his ass. He is making the groundless assumption that a lung would collapse immediately, like a balloon or the piñatas of his home country. He further makes the groundless
puffing of the cheeks is the same result one would get from air being forced from the lungs by a violent cough.I found these offerings on Q&A boards, people can take them for whatever they think they are worth (but to me they seem to make more sense than Gil`s baseless assumptions)...You can always pick out the Lone Nutters because they all line up to put their two cents in when it comes to insults.
Bud goes to Q&A boards for medical advice.
Brilliant.
But Dr. Charles Gregory told Josiah Thompson that a necessary consequence of a shot through Connally's chest would be a compression of the chest wall and an INVOLUNTARY opening of the epiglottis, followed by escaping air forcing open his mouth. The
My "assumption" wasn't "baseless", it was based on the opinion of a medical doctor, that is, a medical expert.
Not on some clowns on an internet Q&A board.
And while we're on the subject of "baseless assumptions", let's talk about a couple of yours.
You claimed the gunsack was 41 inches although there is absolutely no evidence of that.
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.conspiracy.jfk/c/33a9MbNPYEg
That's a lie.
You claimed it was possible to touch things and not leave fingerprints. That's a lie. https://www.scienceworld.ca/resource/finding-fingerprints/#:~:text=In%20this%20activity%2C%20students%20learn,patterns%2C%20on%20everything%20we%20touch
That's just a couple of recent ones. I'm sure if I went back in the archives I could find plenty more.
With the exception of Corbett, no one make more baseless assumptions than Bud.
On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 5:59:59 PM UTC-7, John Corbett wrote:
you have a one time ONLY pass proving you're a dumb fuck, no more options for you, toots....
As long was we are throwing laymen's opinions around, here is mine. I don't see how a
perforating bullet is going to force air out of the lung and into Connally's cheeks. That
would require a squeezing of the lungs, not a bullet passing through a lung.
On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 8:17:07?AM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
What medical utility does this have that they would teach it to doctors in medical school, why would they fill their heads up with trivia like this?
You seem to know about what medical schools teach.
What medical school did you go to ?
That seems to me ...
On Sun, 10 Sep 2023 06:24:05 -0700 (PDT), Gil Jesus
<gjjma...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 8:17:07?AM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
What medical utility does this have that they would teach it to doctors in medical school, why would they fill their heads up with trivia like this?
You seem to know about what medical schools teach.Just another example of Dunning Kruger, Gil
What medical school did you go to ?
On Fri, 8 Sep 2023 17:59:56 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett
<geowri...@gmail.com> wrote:
Logical fallacy deleted.
As long was we are throwing laymen's opinions around, here is mine. I don't see how aopinion. https://www.academia.edu/2087375/Medico-legal_Study_of_Shockwave_Damage_by_High_Velocity_Missiles_in_Firearm_Injuries
perforating bullet is going to force air out of the lung and into Connally's cheeks. That
would require a squeezing of the lungs, not a bullet passing through a lung. It's always good for a laugh to see believers try to give an expert
On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 11:09:04 AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
On Sun, 10 Sep 2023 06:24:05 -0700 (PDT), Gil Jesus
<gjjma...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 8:17:07?AM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
What medical utility does this have that they would teach it to doctors in medical school, why would they fill their heads up with trivia like this?
Bud + Corbett + Chuckles is a perfect example of how 1 + 1 +1 = 0.You seem to know about what medical schools teach.Just another example of Dunning Kruger, Gil
What medical school did you go to ?
Their combined IQ is less than a foosball table.
On Sun, 10 Sep 2023 04:14:25 -0700 (PDT), John Corbettgroundless assumption that the face Connally is making is the result of air being pushed out of his lungs, and not from the pain.
<geowri...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 5:59:58?AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 8:30:30?PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
Recently Gil wrote this...
"Corbett doesn't realize that Connally's lung had collapsed and would have puffed out his cheeks as it forced air from his lungs. This was an involuntary reaction Connally would have had no control over. His cheeks don't puff out until Z-238."
He acts like is is speaking with authority, but he is really just talking out his ass. He is making the groundless assumption that a lung would collapse immediately, like a balloon or the piñatas of his home country. He further makes the
puffing of the cheeks is the same result one would get from air being forced from the lungs by a violent cough.You can always pick out the Lone Nutters because they all line up to put their two cents in when it comes to insults.
I found these offerings on Q&A boards, people can take them for whatever they think they are worth (but to me they seem to make more sense than Gil`s baseless assumptions)...
Bud goes to Q&A boards for medical advice.
Brilliant.
But Dr. Charles Gregory told Josiah Thompson that a necessary consequence of a shot through Connally's chest would be a compression of the chest wall and an INVOLUNTARY opening of the epiglottis, followed by escaping air forcing open his mouth. The
Does Dr. Gregory say what the time lag will be between the bullet strike and the puffing of the
cheeks? The puffing of Connally's cheeks occurs after he has already started twisting and dipping
to his right so we can safely say this doesn't happen instantaneously. Connally's cheeks puffed
within approximately 3/4 of a second of the bullet strike which occurred no later than Z224. His
first visible reaction is his arm flip which began at Z226.
There you go again, Betting the Question... You clearly believe that
air is compressible by the human lungs. Can you cite for this wacky
belief?
On Sun, 10 Sep 2023 13:14:30 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett
<geowri...@gmail.com> wrote:
https://youtu.be/wSdYIbi-lLU?si=SvvlG_4DxayAIXC7
Love those videos with a happy ending. Another example of a good guy (or in this case a goodSadly, not relevant to anything in this forum.
gal) with a gun stopping a bad guy with a gun. Don't know if that woman was a cop or just an
armed citizen but she obviously knew what she was doing, both in taking the scum down and
then keeping him under control after he hit the ground.
You're denying the expert opinion Gil posted,
and desperately thinking
that people have already forgotten.
On Sun, 10 Sep 2023 02:59:56 -0700 (PDT), Gil Jesusassumption that the face Connally is making is the result of air being pushed out of his lungs, and not from the pain.
<gjjma...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 8:30:30?PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
Recently Gil wrote this...
"Corbett doesn't realize that Connally's lung had collapsed and would have puffed out his cheeks as it forced air from his lungs. This was an involuntary reaction Connally would have had no control over. His cheeks don't puff out until Z-238."
He acts like is is speaking with authority, but he is really just talking out his ass. He is making the groundless assumption that a lung would collapse immediately, like a balloon or the piñatas of his home country. He further makes the groundless
I found these offerings on Q&A boards, people can take them for whatever they think they are worth (but to me they seem to make more sense than Gil`s baseless assumptions)...
You can always pick out the Lone Nutters because they all line up to put their two cents in when it comes to insults.
Bud goes to Q&A boards for medical advice.
Brilliant.
But Dr. Charles Gregory told Josiah Thompson that a necessary
consequence of a shot through Connally's chest would be a compression
of the chest wall and an INVOLUNTARY opening of the epiglottis,
followed by escaping air forcing open his mouth. The puffing of the
cheeks is the same result one would get from air being forced from the lungs by a violent cough.
My "assumption" wasn't "baseless", it was based on the opinion of a medical doctor, that is, a medical expert.Watch, as not a SINGLE believer will accept Dr. Gregory's statements.
Not on some clowns on an internet Q&A board.
They pretend that they like expert opinion, but they really don't.
And while we're on the subject of "baseless assumptions", let's talk about a couple of yours.
You claimed the gunsack was 41 inches although there is absolutely no evidence of that.
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.conspiracy.jfk/c/33a9MbNPYEg
That's a lie.
You claimed it was possible to touch things and not leave fingerprints. >That's a lie. >https://www.scienceworld.ca/resource/finding-fingerprints/#:~:text=In%20this%20activity%2C%20students%20learn,patterns%2C%20on%20everything%20we%20touch
That's just a couple of recent ones. I'm sure if I went back in the archives I could find plenty more.
With the exception of Corbett, no one make more baseless assumptions than Bud.
On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 11:59:24?AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 11:09:04?AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
On Sun, 10 Sep 2023 06:24:05 -0700 (PDT), Gil JesusBud + Corbett + Chuckles is a perfect example of how 1 + 1 +1 = 0.
<gjjma...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 8:17:07?AM UTC-4, Bud wrote:Just another example of Dunning Kruger, Gil
What medical utility does this have that they would teach it to doctors in medical school, why would they fill their heads up with trivia like this?
You seem to know about what medical schools teach.
What medical school did you go to ?
Their combined IQ is less than a foosball table.
Was this your attempt at humor. It didn't work.
On the positive side, you did break up the Swamp Creature's streak of 21 consecutive posts,
none of which I bothered to read.
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 09:38:59 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett
<geowri...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 11:59:24?AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 11:09:04?AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
On Sun, 10 Sep 2023 06:24:05 -0700 (PDT), Gil JesusBud + Corbett + Chuckles is a perfect example of how 1 + 1 +1 = 0.
<gjjma...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 8:17:07?AM UTC-4, Bud wrote:Just another example of Dunning Kruger, Gil
What medical utility does this have that they would teach it to doctors in medical school, why would they fill their heads up with trivia like this?
You seem to know about what medical schools teach.
What medical school did you go to ?
Their combined IQ is less than a foosball table.
Was this your attempt at humor. It didn't work.
On the positive side, you did break up the Swamp Creature's streak of 21 consecutive posts,Oh, don't try to fool anyone - You read EVERYTHING I write, and are beginning to feel bad about how bad it looks that you can't respond.
none of which I bothered to read.
I own you.
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