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  • Pinpointing the instant the single bullet struck

    From John Corbett@21:1/5 to All on Fri Sep 8 08:31:42 2023
    It is difficult to pinpoint the exact instance the single bullet struck. We can observe that JFK and JBC reacted at precisely the same instant, Z226. We
    know this because the Z-film shows JFK's right hand was moving down
    between frames Z224-225. At Z226, JFK's right hand suddenly reverses
    direction as he jerks both arms upward. At same frame, we see JBC's right
    arm suddenly fly upward in perfect unison with JFK's arm movement. This is strong evidence they reacted at precisely the same time. So how long would
    it take for those reactions to take place. That would depend on whether these men are exhibiting a reaction, which is a conscious movement or a reflex response, which doesn't require interaction with the brain and happens much more rapidly. I found this description of the two types of responses:

    [quote on]
    The speed of a reflex response can vary depending on the type of reflex and the individual’s physical and mental state. According to 1, neurons that transmit signals about posture, limb position, or touch can fire signals at speeds of 80-120 meters per
    second (about 180-270 miles per hour).

    However, the reaction time for a reflex is much faster than a voluntary reaction. A study by 2 found that the average reaction time for humans is between 150 and 300 milliseconds. This is the time it takes for the brain to process the information and
    initiate a voluntary response.

    It’s important to note that reflexes are involuntary and automatic, while reactions are conscious decisions based on previous experiences and knowledge.
    [quote off]

    150 to 300 milliseconds would be roughly 3-6 Z frames. It would appear
    that the two men are exhibiting an involuntary reflex response. This can
    happen in as little as 30 milliseconds, which is less than one Zapruder
    frame, but it can take longer. How much longer is the key question and one
    for which we have no definitive answer. We can safely say the single bullet struck no later thana Z224 since that is the frame JBC's lapel bulged
    outward. Whether that bulge occurred simultaneous with the passing of
    the bullet through the material or whether it occurred after the bullet passed through is a matter of conjecture. To the best of my knowledge, no one has conducted an experiment using high speed cameras that would show
    whether that bulge would occur simultaneously with the bullet passing
    through it or a split second later.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to geowright1963@gmail.com on Fri Sep 8 09:16:54 2023
    On Fri, 8 Sep 2023 08:31:42 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett
    <geowright1963@gmail.com> wrote:

    It is difficult to pinpoint the exact instance the single bullet struck.


    Then nothing else need be said on the topic.


    We can
    observe that JFK and JBC reacted at precisely the same instant, Z226.


    No we can't. Neither could the WC. You're lying.


    I've deleted the rest of your uncited and unsupportable nonsense.

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  • From BT George@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Fri Sep 8 11:15:38 2023
    On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 11:16:55 AM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Fri, 8 Sep 2023 08:31:42 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett
    <geowri...@gmail.com> wrote:

    It is difficult to pinpoint the exact instance the single bullet struck. Then nothing else need be said on the topic.
    We can
    observe that JFK and JBC reacted at precisely the same instant, Z226.
    No we can't. Neither could the WC. You're lying.


    I've deleted the rest of your uncited and unsupportable nonsense.

    ..because he really can't deal with it.

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  • From Gil Jesus@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Fri Sep 8 14:26:25 2023
    On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 12:16:55 PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Fri, 8 Sep 2023 08:31:42 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett
    <geowri...@gmail.com> wrote:

    It is difficult to pinpoint the exact instance the single bullet struck. Then nothing else need be said on the topic.
    We can
    observe that JFK and JBC reacted at precisely the same instant, Z226.
    No we can't. Neither could the WC. You're lying.


    I've deleted the rest of your uncited and unsupportable nonsense.

    I raised my arm three times today and no bullet hit me.
    Maybe Connally was swatting at a mosquito. ROFLMAO

    The Commission claimed that the EARLIEST first shot was fired would have been at Z-207.

    Corbett doesn't realize that Connally's lung had collapsed and would have puffed out his cheeks as it forced air from his lungs. This was an involuntary reaction Connally would have had no control over. His cheeks don't puff out until Z-238.

    That's 31 Z-frames or 1.6 seconds.

    There's NO WAY any one shooter, Oswald or anyone else, with that rifle, would have gotten off two shots in that amount of time.

    If Kennedy and Connally had been hit by the same bullet, their reactions would have been immediate in the same Z-frame.

    Corbett is the dumbest on the Internet and he lies a lot too.

    Discussion on the SBT

    https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/reasdoubt1.mp4

    https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/reasdoubt2.mp4

    Eyewitness says Gov and JFK were hit by separate bullets

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNZ2xCrzulI

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to gjjmail1202@gmail.com on Fri Sep 8 14:35:52 2023
    On Fri, 8 Sep 2023 14:26:25 -0700 (PDT), Gil Jesus
    <gjjmail1202@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 12:16:55?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Fri, 8 Sep 2023 08:31:42 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett
    <geowri...@gmail.com> wrote:

    It is difficult to pinpoint the exact instance the single bullet struck.
    Then nothing else need be said on the topic.
    We can
    observe that JFK and JBC reacted at precisely the same instant, Z226.
    No we can't. Neither could the WC. You're lying.


    I've deleted the rest of your uncited and unsupportable nonsense.

    I raised my arm three times today and no bullet hit me.
    Maybe Connally was swatting at a mosquito. ROFLMAO

    The Commission claimed that the EARLIEST first shot was fired would have been at Z-207.

    Corbett doesn't realize that Connally's lung had collapsed and would have puffed out his cheeks as it forced air from his lungs. This was an involuntary reaction Connally would have had no control over. His cheeks don't puff out until Z-238.


    Believers think that this reaction, if they admit it at all, was a
    delayed one. They actually believe that air is compressable by the
    lungs.


    That's 31 Z-frames or 1.6 seconds.

    There's NO WAY any one shooter, Oswald or anyone else, with that rifle, would have gotten off two shots in that amount of time.


    Although I remember some kook in this forum making that argument. With
    that PRECISE time - 1.6 seconds.


    If Kennedy and Connally had been hit by the same bullet, their reactions would have been immediate in the same Z-frame.

    Corbett is the dumbest on the Internet and he lies a lot too.


    Let's not forget that Corbutt is calling the WC liars, yet refuses to
    publicly say so. "JFK and JBC reacted at precisely the same instant"
    is anathema to the WC - they held otherwise. Yet Corbutt is too
    dishonest to publicly admit this fact.


    Discussion on the SBT

    https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/reasdoubt1.mp4

    https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/reasdoubt2.mp4

    Eyewitness says Gov and JFK were hit by separate bullets

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNZ2xCrzulI

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  • From Chuck Schuyler@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Fri Sep 8 15:15:08 2023
    On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 4:35:57 PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Fri, 8 Sep 2023 14:26:25 -0700 (PDT), Gil Jesus
    <gjjma...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 12:16:55?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Fri, 8 Sep 2023 08:31:42 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett
    <geowri...@gmail.com> wrote:

    It is difficult to pinpoint the exact instance the single bullet struck. >> Then nothing else need be said on the topic.
    We can
    observe that JFK and JBC reacted at precisely the same instant, Z226.
    No we can't. Neither could the WC. You're lying.


    I've deleted the rest of your uncited and unsupportable nonsense.

    I raised my arm three times today and no bullet hit me.
    Maybe Connally was swatting at a mosquito. ROFLMAO

    The Commission claimed that the EARLIEST first shot was fired would have been at Z-207.

    Corbett doesn't realize that Connally's lung had collapsed and would have puffed out his cheeks as it forced air from his lungs. This was an involuntary reaction Connally would have had no control over. His cheeks don't puff out until Z-238.
    Believers think that this reaction, if they admit it at all, was a
    delayed one. They actually believe that air is compressable by the
    lungs.
    That's 31 Z-frames or 1.6 seconds.

    There's NO WAY any one shooter, Oswald or anyone else, with that rifle, would have gotten off two shots in that amount of time.
    Although I remember some kook in this forum making that argument. With
    that PRECISE time - 1.6 seconds.
    If Kennedy and Connally had been hit by the same bullet, their reactions would have been immediate in the same Z-frame.

    Corbett is the dumbest on the Internet and he lies a lot too.
    Let's not forget that Corbutt is calling the WC liars, yet refuses to publicly say so. "JFK and JBC reacted at precisely the same instant"
    is anathema to the WC - they held otherwise. Yet Corbutt is too
    dishonest to publicly admit this fact.

    Aren't you one of the kooks who also argues the Z film was changed/spliced/altered?

    How do you argue for or against anything regarding using the Z film for timing if you claim the film was compromised?


    Discussion on the SBT

    https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/reasdoubt1.mp4

    https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/reasdoubt2.mp4

    Eyewitness says Gov and JFK were hit by separate bullets

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNZ2xCrzulI

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to chuckschuyler123@gmail.com on Fri Sep 8 15:18:19 2023
    On Fri, 8 Sep 2023 15:15:08 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler <chuckschuyler123@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 4:35:57?PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Fri, 8 Sep 2023 14:26:25 -0700 (PDT), Gil Jesus
    <gjjma...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 12:16:55?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Fri, 8 Sep 2023 08:31:42 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett
    <geowri...@gmail.com> wrote:

    It is difficult to pinpoint the exact instance the single bullet struck. >>>> Then nothing else need be said on the topic.
    We can
    observe that JFK and JBC reacted at precisely the same instant, Z226.
    No we can't. Neither could the WC. You're lying.


    I've deleted the rest of your uncited and unsupportable nonsense.

    I raised my arm three times today and no bullet hit me.
    Maybe Connally was swatting at a mosquito. ROFLMAO

    The Commission claimed that the EARLIEST first shot was fired would have been at Z-207.

    Corbett doesn't realize that Connally's lung had collapsed and would have puffed out his cheeks as it forced air from his lungs. This was an involuntary reaction Connally would have had no control over. His cheeks don't puff out until Z-238.

    Believers think that this reaction, if they admit it at all, was a
    delayed one. They actually believe that air is compressable by the
    lungs.

    That's 31 Z-frames or 1.6 seconds.

    There's NO WAY any one shooter, Oswald or anyone else, with that rifle, would have gotten off two shots in that amount of time.

    Although I remember some kook in this forum making that argument. With
    that PRECISE time - 1.6 seconds.

    If Kennedy and Connally had been hit by the same bullet, their reactions would have been immediate in the same Z-frame.

    Corbett is the dumbest on the Internet and he lies a lot too.
    Let's not forget that Corbutt is calling the WC liars, yet refuses to
    publicly say so. "JFK and JBC reacted at precisely the same instant"
    is anathema to the WC - they held otherwise. Yet Corbutt is too
    dishonest to publicly admit this fact.


    Logical fallacies deleted.

    Chuckles was unable to defend Corbutt's insane ramblings either... Or
    admit that Gil & I are citing evidence.


    Discussion on the SBT

    https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/reasdoubt1.mp4

    https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/reasdoubt2.mp4

    Eyewitness says Gov and JFK were hit by separate bullets

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNZ2xCrzulI

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  • From Chuck Schuyler@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Fri Sep 8 15:27:43 2023
    On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 5:18:24 PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Fri, 8 Sep 2023 15:15:08 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler <chucksch...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 4:35:57?PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Fri, 8 Sep 2023 14:26:25 -0700 (PDT), Gil Jesus
    <gjjma...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 12:16:55?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Fri, 8 Sep 2023 08:31:42 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett
    <geowri...@gmail.com> wrote:

    It is difficult to pinpoint the exact instance the single bullet struck.
    Then nothing else need be said on the topic.
    We can
    observe that JFK and JBC reacted at precisely the same instant, Z226. >>>> No we can't. Neither could the WC. You're lying.


    I've deleted the rest of your uncited and unsupportable nonsense.

    I raised my arm three times today and no bullet hit me.
    Maybe Connally was swatting at a mosquito. ROFLMAO

    The Commission claimed that the EARLIEST first shot was fired would have been at Z-207.

    Corbett doesn't realize that Connally's lung had collapsed and would have puffed out his cheeks as it forced air from his lungs. This was an involuntary reaction Connally would have had no control over. His cheeks don't puff out until Z-238.

    Believers think that this reaction, if they admit it at all, was a
    delayed one. They actually believe that air is compressable by the
    lungs.

    That's 31 Z-frames or 1.6 seconds.

    There's NO WAY any one shooter, Oswald or anyone else, with that rifle, would have gotten off two shots in that amount of time.

    Although I remember some kook in this forum making that argument. With
    that PRECISE time - 1.6 seconds.

    If Kennedy and Connally had been hit by the same bullet, their reactions would have been immediate in the same Z-frame.

    Corbett is the dumbest on the Internet and he lies a lot too.
    Let's not forget that Corbutt is calling the WC liars, yet refuses to
    publicly say so. "JFK and JBC reacted at precisely the same instant"
    is anathema to the WC - they held otherwise. Yet Corbutt is too
    dishonest to publicly admit this fact.
    Logical fallacies deleted.

    Chuckles was unable to defend Corbutt's insane ramblings either... Or
    admit that Gil & I are citing evidence.

    Evidence that some people did something?

    Congresswoman Ilhan Omar on 9/11: "Some people did something!"

    Gil Jesus and Ben Holmes on 11/22/63: "Some people did something!"


    Discussion on the SBT

    https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/reasdoubt1.mp4

    https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/reasdoubt2.mp4

    Eyewitness says Gov and JFK were hit by separate bullets

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNZ2xCrzulI

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to chuckschuyler123@gmail.com on Fri Sep 8 15:57:20 2023
    On Fri, 8 Sep 2023 15:27:43 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler <chuckschuyler123@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 5:18:24?PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Fri, 8 Sep 2023 15:15:08 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler
    <chucksch...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 4:35:57?PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Fri, 8 Sep 2023 14:26:25 -0700 (PDT), Gil Jesus
    <gjjma...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 12:16:55?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote: >>>>>> On Fri, 8 Sep 2023 08:31:42 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett
    <geowri...@gmail.com> wrote:

    It is difficult to pinpoint the exact instance the single bullet struck. >>>>>> Then nothing else need be said on the topic.
    We can
    observe that JFK and JBC reacted at precisely the same instant, Z226. >>>>>> No we can't. Neither could the WC. You're lying.


    I've deleted the rest of your uncited and unsupportable nonsense.

    I raised my arm three times today and no bullet hit me.
    Maybe Connally was swatting at a mosquito. ROFLMAO

    The Commission claimed that the EARLIEST first shot was fired would have been at Z-207.

    Corbett doesn't realize that Connally's lung had collapsed and would have puffed out his cheeks as it forced air from his lungs. This was an involuntary reaction Connally would have had no control over. His cheeks don't puff out until Z-238.

    Believers think that this reaction, if they admit it at all, was a
    delayed one. They actually believe that air is compressable by the
    lungs.

    That's 31 Z-frames or 1.6 seconds.

    There's NO WAY any one shooter, Oswald or anyone else, with that rifle, would have gotten off two shots in that amount of time.

    Although I remember some kook in this forum making that argument. With >>>> that PRECISE time - 1.6 seconds.

    If Kennedy and Connally had been hit by the same bullet, their reactions would have been immediate in the same Z-frame.

    Corbett is the dumbest on the Internet and he lies a lot too.
    Let's not forget that Corbutt is calling the WC liars, yet refuses to
    publicly say so. "JFK and JBC reacted at precisely the same instant"
    is anathema to the WC - they held otherwise. Yet Corbutt is too
    dishonest to publicly admit this fact.
    Logical fallacies deleted.

    Chuckles was unable to defend Corbutt's insane ramblings either... Or
    admit that Gil & I are citing evidence.


    And despite me pointing it out, Chuckles simply ran away again...


    Discussion on the SBT

    https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/reasdoubt1.mp4

    https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/reasdoubt2.mp4

    Eyewitness says Gov and JFK were hit by separate bullets

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNZ2xCrzulI

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  • From John Corbett@21:1/5 to Gil Jesus on Fri Sep 8 15:29:02 2023
    On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 5:26:27 PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 12:16:55 PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Fri, 8 Sep 2023 08:31:42 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett <geowri...@gmail.com> wrote:

    It is difficult to pinpoint the exact instance the single bullet struck. Then nothing else need be said on the topic.
    We can
    observe that JFK and JBC reacted at precisely the same instant, Z226.
    No we can't. Neither could the WC. You're lying.


    I've deleted the rest of your uncited and unsupportable nonsense.
    I raised my arm three times today and no bullet hit me.
    Maybe Connally was swatting at a mosquito. ROFLMAO

    Connally's movement was a rapid up and down flip of his right arm that was completed in 9
    frames, roughly one half a second. This is a completely unnatural motion. Something triggered
    it. I suppose you think it is just another amazing coincidence that it occurred at the very instant
    JFK's arms moved rapidly upward. Also coincidently just two frames after Connally's lapel
    bulged outward. You must be used to arguing for coincidences because believing in Oswald's
    innocence requires one to believe in a series of amazing coincidences.

    The Commission claimed that the EARLIEST first shot was fired would have been at Z-207.

    A theoretical possibility at best but highly unlikely given that Oswald would have to have tracked
    his target through the trees and fired the instant he came into the clear. The WC never concluded
    that the shot was fired at 207. In reality, he probably fired in the 220-222 with the bullet requiring
    just under two frames to reach the target.

    Corbett doesn't realize that Connally's lung had collapsed and would have puffed out his cheeks as it forced air from his lungs. This was an involuntary reaction Connally would have had no control over. His cheeks don't puff out until Z-238.

    I've heard that claim from CTs for over three decades. I have yet to see any of them cite a
    medical expert who shares that opinion. By the time Connally's cheeks puffed out at Z-238, he
    had already completed the 1/2 second arm flip and had begun to turn and dip to his left. Do you
    think he did this in anticipation of getting shot or in reaction to getting shot?


    That's 31 Z-frames or 1.6 seconds.

    Neither frame is relevant because you haven't established that 207 was the frame the shot was fired
    at or 238 was the frame Connally was struck at. You are simply arguing something for which
    you have no proof.

    There's NO WAY any one shooter, Oswald or anyone else, with that rifle, would have gotten off two shots in that amount of time.

    That is true. Oswald didn't need to get off two shots in that time. He hit both men with one shot
    as the film evidence indicates.

    If Kennedy and Connally had been hit by the same bullet, their reactions would have been immediate in the same Z-frame.

    They were. It happened at Z226 when both men suddenly jerked their arms upward in perfect
    unison in an involuntary reaction to being hit by the same bullet. You want to ignore the film
    evidence that both men's arms started up simultaneously and substitute your own speculation
    about when the bullet was fired and when it struck.

    Corbett is the dumbest on the Internet and he lies a lot too.

    As long as you're around, the best I could do would be #2. If I were a religious man, I would pray
    for you every day.

    Discussion on the SBT

    https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/reasdoubt1.mp4

    https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/reasdoubt2.mp4

    Do you expect me to go through 46 minutes of videos to find the argument you are unable to
    make for yourself?

    Eyewitness says Gov and JFK were hit by separate bullets

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNZ2xCrzulI

    Eyewitnesses can be and frequently wrong about important facts. Holland was in a very poor
    position to see clearly when either man reacted since Kellerman, Connally, and Kennedy were
    lined up and he was a good distance away. We have a film record of what happened showing
    both men reacted simultaneously. CTs always want to gravitate to the least reliable evidence
    available and eschew the best evidence.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to geowright1963@gmail.com on Fri Sep 8 16:08:06 2023
    On Fri, 8 Sep 2023 15:29:02 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett
    <geowright1963@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 5:26:27?PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 12:16:55?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Fri, 8 Sep 2023 08:31:42 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett
    <geowri...@gmail.com> wrote:

    It is difficult to pinpoint the exact instance the single bullet struck. >>> Then nothing else need be said on the topic.
    We can
    observe that JFK and JBC reacted at precisely the same instant, Z226.
    No we can't. Neither could the WC. You're lying.


    I've deleted the rest of your uncited and unsupportable nonsense.
    I raised my arm three times today and no bullet hit me.
    Maybe Connally was swatting at a mosquito. ROFLMAO

    Connally's movement was a rapid up and down flip of his right arm that was completed in 9
    frames, roughly one half a second. This is a completely unnatural motion. Something triggered
    it. I suppose you think it is just another amazing coincidence that it occurred at the very instant
    JFK's arms moved rapidly upward. Also coincidently just two frames after Connally's lapel
    bulged outward. You must be used to arguing for coincidences because believing in Oswald's
    innocence requires one to believe in a series of amazing coincidences.


    You're too cowardly to admit that you're calling the WC liars.


    The Commission claimed that the EARLIEST first shot was fired would have been at Z-207.

    A theoretical possibility at best but highly unlikely given that Oswald would have to have tracked
    his target through the trees and fired the instant he came into the clear. The WC never concluded
    that the shot was fired at 207. In reality, he probably fired in the 220-222 with the bullet requiring
    just under two frames to reach the target.


    Not a refutation... And clearly you're simply too dishonest to admit
    the truth.


    Corbett doesn't realize that Connally's lung had collapsed and would have puffed out his cheeks as it forced air from his lungs. This was an involuntary reaction Connally would have had no control over. His cheeks don't puff out until Z-238.

    I've heard that claim from CTs for over three decades. I have yet to see any of them cite a
    medical expert who shares that opinion.


    ROTFLMAO!!!!


    By the time Connally's cheeks puffed out at Z-238, he
    had already completed the 1/2 second arm flip and had begun to turn and dip to his left. Do you
    think he did this in anticipation of getting shot or in reaction to getting shot?


    Begging the question again...

    You lose.


    That's 31 Z-frames or 1.6 seconds.

    Neither frame is relevant because you haven't established that 207 was the frame the shot was fired
    at or 238 was the frame Connally was struck at. You are simply arguing something for which
    you have no proof.


    Again, not a refutation.


    There's NO WAY any one shooter, Oswald or anyone else, with that rifle, would have gotten off two shots in that amount of time.

    That is true. Oswald didn't need to get off two shots in that time. He hit both men with one shot
    as the film evidence indicates.


    Begging the question again... and contracting known evidence.


    If Kennedy and Connally had been hit by the same bullet, their reactions would have been immediate in the same Z-frame.

    They were.


    You're lying. Your opinion contradicts the WC. Therefore, you're
    lying.


    It happened at Z226 when both men suddenly jerked their arms upward in perfect >unison in an involuntary reaction to being hit by the same bullet.


    Is that what you think you see?


    You want to ignore the film evidence that both men's arms started up simultaneously and substitute your own speculation about when the
    bullet was fired and when it struck.


    How can one "ignore" your opinion? Tis easy...


    Corbett is the dumbest on the Internet and he lies a lot too. .

    Discussion on the SBT

    https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/reasdoubt1.mp4

    https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/reasdoubt2.mp4

    Do you expect me ...

    Nope.

    Expecting anything from you other than dishonesty & cowardice would be
    quite foolish indeed.


    Eyewitness says Gov and JFK were hit by separate bullets

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNZ2xCrzulI

    Eyewitnesses can be and frequently wrong about important facts.


    But only "important" facts... ROTFLMAO!!!

    If eyewitnesses are "frequently wrong" - then what do you base your
    opinion on?

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  • From Bud@21:1/5 to Gil Jesus on Fri Sep 8 16:56:45 2023
    On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 5:26:27 PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 12:16:55 PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Fri, 8 Sep 2023 08:31:42 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett <geowri...@gmail.com> wrote:

    It is difficult to pinpoint the exact instance the single bullet struck. Then nothing else need be said on the topic.
    We can
    observe that JFK and JBC reacted at precisely the same instant, Z226.
    No we can't. Neither could the WC. You're lying.


    I've deleted the rest of your uncited and unsupportable nonsense.
    I raised my arm three times today and no bullet hit me.
    Maybe Connally was swatting at a mosquito. ROFLMAO

    The Commission claimed that the EARLIEST first shot was fired would have been at Z-207.

    Corbett doesn't realize that Connally's lung had collapsed and would have puffed out his cheeks as it forced air from his lungs. This was an involuntary reaction Connally would have had no control over. His cheeks don't puff out until Z-238.

    I few unbacked up assertions, a few empty "this must mean this" declarations, an absolute gleaned from a poor quality home movie and we have the same meaningless and desperate noise conspiracy hobbyists have been generating for decades.

    That's 31 Z-frames or 1.6 seconds.

    There's NO WAY any one shooter, Oswald or anyone else, with that rifle, would have gotten off two shots in that amount of time.

    If Kennedy and Connally had been hit by the same bullet, their reactions would have been immediate in the same Z-frame.

    Another empty declaration.

    Corbett is the dumbest on the Internet and he lies a lot too.

    Discussion on the SBT

    https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/reasdoubt1.mp4

    https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/reasdoubt2.mp4

    Eyewitness says Gov and JFK were hit by separate bullets

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNZ2xCrzulI

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  • From David Von Pein@21:1/5 to All on Fri Sep 8 17:19:27 2023
    An SBT discussion, with lots of Z-Film GIF clips and plenty of denial exhibited by various CTers:

    http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2015/01/jfk-assassination-arguments-part-887.html

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  • From David Von Pein@21:1/5 to All on Fri Sep 8 17:17:18 2023
    http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2015/01/jfk-assassination-arguments-part-887.html

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to All on Mon Sep 11 08:08:55 2023
    On Fri, 8 Sep 2023 16:56:45 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirslick@fast.net>
    wrote:


    So, according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval" shape that was
    "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

    Chickenshit is TERRIFIED of this simple honest question. He knows
    that Bugliosi was a moron if he truly thought this... yet you can't
    get Chickenshit to publicly acknowledge that Bugliosi said this.

    It's a simple "Yes" or "No" question, and Chickenshit cannot cite
    where he has EVER answered it. (Without immediately denying it.)

    So it's going to keep getting asked until Chickenshit answers it.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to davevonpein@aol.com on Mon Sep 11 08:08:55 2023
    On Fri, 8 Sep 2023 17:17:18 -0700 (PDT), David Von Pein
    <davevonpein@aol.com> wrote:

    http://jfk-archives.blog...

    We talked about this...

    Such cowardice!

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