• Why Can't Hank Simply Say Whether Or Not The Clip Is Visible In This Ph

    From Sky Throne 19efppp@21:1/5 to All on Mon Aug 28 08:19:42 2023
    https://postimg.cc/ZB3YG9jz

    Yes, it is the frame of a film, but that still is a photograph.

    Maybe it's there. I don't know. But Hank has asserted that the clip can be seen in a photo of Lt. Day leaving the building https://www.jfk-assassination.net/images/day_clip.gif. I see that. But, to me, it looks like it is not there when Day first
    examines the rifle https://postimg.cc/ZB3YG9jz. Maybe it is, but I don't see it. Why can't Hank, who sees the clip when Day is walking out, say that he sees it when Day is examining the rifle? If it's there, tell me it's there. Maybe it is. I don't know.

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  • From Gil Jesus@21:1/5 to All on Mon Aug 28 09:49:41 2023
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 11:19:44 AM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    https://postimg.cc/ZB3YG9jz

    Yes, it is the frame of a film, but that still is a photograph.

    Maybe it's there. I don't know. But Hank has asserted that the clip can be seen in a photo of Lt. Day leaving the building https://www.jfk-assassination.net/images/day_clip.gif. I see that. But, to me, it looks like it is not there when Day first
    examines the rifle https://postimg.cc/ZB3YG9jz. Maybe it is, but I don't see it. Why can't Hank, who sees the clip when Day is walking out, say that he sees it when Day is examining the rifle? If it's there, tell me it's there. Maybe it is. I don't know.

    You're right that you can't see it, but it still could be there.

    In this video, notice that although the clip is in the rifle, it is not visible in the ejection port at the bottom of the weapon.

    https://youtu.be/eD9PRba_wAk

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  • From Chuck Schuyler@21:1/5 to All on Mon Aug 28 10:42:04 2023
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 12:25:03 PM UTC-5, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 12:49:43 PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 11:19:44 AM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    https://postimg.cc/ZB3YG9jz

    Yes, it is the frame of a film, but that still is a photograph.

    Maybe it's there. I don't know. But Hank has asserted that the clip can be seen in a photo of Lt. Day leaving the building https://www.jfk-assassination.net/images/day_clip.gif. I see that. But, to me, it looks like it is not there when Day first
    examines the rifle https://postimg.cc/ZB3YG9jz. Maybe it is, but I don't see it. Why can't Hank, who sees the clip when Day is walking out, say that he sees it when Day is examining the rifle? If it's there, tell me it's there. Maybe it is. I don't know.
    You're right that you can't see it, but it still could be there.

    In this video, notice that although the clip is in the rifle, it is not visible in the ejection port at the bottom of the weapon.

    https://youtu.be/eD9PRba_wAk

    Well, that's all Hank had to do. Pity he's not as clever as you. Yes, at least from that angle, the clip cannot be seen until it falls out. And it falls out when the last cartridge is chambered, before it is fired. So, if it was working properly, then
    it should have fallen out by the window. But the gun is an old piece of crap, so maybe it stayed put...until Day carried it out of the building and then it peaked out a bit. That must be Hank's explanation, I imagine. Amazing such a shitty old gun in the
    hands of a mediocre marksman could accomplish what trained experts with the thing fixed up couldn't.

    Shit happens, hence the shit-eating grin on your boy Oswald's face as he raised his clenched fists in the Commie solidarity salute while cuffed and under arrest. Look at that smirk. Here's a man proud of his work that day:


    https://www.columbiamissourian.com/visuals/photos/lee-harvey-oswald-holds-up-his-manacled-hands/image_c5a86702-bb51-11e7-8585-abef03615d45.html

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  • From Sky Throne 19efppp@21:1/5 to Chuck Schuyler on Mon Aug 28 10:47:22 2023
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 1:42:06 PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 12:25:03 PM UTC-5, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 12:49:43 PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 11:19:44 AM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    https://postimg.cc/ZB3YG9jz

    Yes, it is the frame of a film, but that still is a photograph.

    Maybe it's there. I don't know. But Hank has asserted that the clip can be seen in a photo of Lt. Day leaving the building https://www.jfk-assassination.net/images/day_clip.gif. I see that. But, to me, it looks like it is not there when Day first
    examines the rifle https://postimg.cc/ZB3YG9jz. Maybe it is, but I don't see it. Why can't Hank, who sees the clip when Day is walking out, say that he sees it when Day is examining the rifle? If it's there, tell me it's there. Maybe it is. I don't know.
    You're right that you can't see it, but it still could be there.

    In this video, notice that although the clip is in the rifle, it is not visible in the ejection port at the bottom of the weapon.

    https://youtu.be/eD9PRba_wAk

    Well, that's all Hank had to do. Pity he's not as clever as you. Yes, at least from that angle, the clip cannot be seen until it falls out. And it falls out when the last cartridge is chambered, before it is fired. So, if it was working properly,
    then it should have fallen out by the window. But the gun is an old piece of crap, so maybe it stayed put...until Day carried it out of the building and then it peaked out a bit. That must be Hank's explanation, I imagine. Amazing such a shitty old gun
    in the hands of a mediocre marksman could accomplish what trained experts with the thing fixed up couldn't.
    Shit happens, hence the shit-eating grin on your boy Oswald's face as he raised his clenched fists in the Commie solidarity salute while cuffed and under arrest. Look at that smirk. Here's a man proud of his work that day:


    https://www.columbiamissourian.com/visuals/photos/lee-harvey-oswald-holds-up-his-manacled-hands/image_c5a86702-bb51-11e7-8585-abef03615d45.html

    Don't be silly. Oswald scored his hit from behind the picket fence.

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  • From Sky Throne 19efppp@21:1/5 to Gil Jesus on Mon Aug 28 10:25:01 2023
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 12:49:43 PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 11:19:44 AM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    https://postimg.cc/ZB3YG9jz

    Yes, it is the frame of a film, but that still is a photograph.

    Maybe it's there. I don't know. But Hank has asserted that the clip can be seen in a photo of Lt. Day leaving the building https://www.jfk-assassination.net/images/day_clip.gif. I see that. But, to me, it looks like it is not there when Day first
    examines the rifle https://postimg.cc/ZB3YG9jz. Maybe it is, but I don't see it. Why can't Hank, who sees the clip when Day is walking out, say that he sees it when Day is examining the rifle? If it's there, tell me it's there. Maybe it is. I don't know.
    You're right that you can't see it, but it still could be there.

    In this video, notice that although the clip is in the rifle, it is not visible in the ejection port at the bottom of the weapon.

    https://youtu.be/eD9PRba_wAk

    Well, that's all Hank had to do. Pity he's not as clever as you. Yes, at least from that angle, the clip cannot be seen until it falls out. And it falls out when the last cartridge is chambered, before it is fired. So, if it was working properly, then it
    should have fallen out by the window. But the gun is an old piece of crap, so maybe it stayed put...until Day carried it out of the building and then it peaked out a bit. That must be Hank's explanation, I imagine. Amazing such a shitty old gun in the
    hands of a mediocre marksman could accomplish what trained experts with the thing fixed up couldn't.

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  • From Sky Throne 19efppp@21:1/5 to Chuck Schuyler on Mon Aug 28 11:01:17 2023
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 1:57:12 PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 12:47:24 PM UTC-5, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 1:42:06 PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 12:25:03 PM UTC-5, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 12:49:43 PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 11:19:44 AM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    https://postimg.cc/ZB3YG9jz

    Yes, it is the frame of a film, but that still is a photograph.

    Maybe it's there. I don't know. But Hank has asserted that the clip can be seen in a photo of Lt. Day leaving the building https://www.jfk-assassination.net/images/day_clip.gif. I see that. But, to me, it looks like it is not there when Day
    first examines the rifle https://postimg.cc/ZB3YG9jz. Maybe it is, but I don't see it. Why can't Hank, who sees the clip when Day is walking out, say that he sees it when Day is examining the rifle? If it's there, tell me it's there. Maybe it is. I don't
    know.
    You're right that you can't see it, but it still could be there.

    In this video, notice that although the clip is in the rifle, it is not visible in the ejection port at the bottom of the weapon.

    https://youtu.be/eD9PRba_wAk

    Well, that's all Hank had to do. Pity he's not as clever as you. Yes, at least from that angle, the clip cannot be seen until it falls out. And it falls out when the last cartridge is chambered, before it is fired. So, if it was working properly,
    then it should have fallen out by the window. But the gun is an old piece of crap, so maybe it stayed put...until Day carried it out of the building and then it peaked out a bit. That must be Hank's explanation, I imagine. Amazing such a shitty old gun
    in the hands of a mediocre marksman could accomplish what trained experts with the thing fixed up couldn't.
    Shit happens, hence the shit-eating grin on your boy Oswald's face as he raised his clenched fists in the Commie solidarity salute while cuffed and under arrest. Look at that smirk. Here's a man proud of his work that day:


    https://www.columbiamissourian.com/visuals/photos/lee-harvey-oswald-holds-up-his-manacled-hands/image_c5a86702-bb51-11e7-8585-abef03615d45.html

    Don't be silly. Oswald scored his hit from behind the picket fence.
    He wasn't getting a soda when the shooting happened or something like that?

    No. I think he was JC Price's Running Man, the guy Price saw run from the picket fence to behind the TSBD. Plenty of time for Oswald to get up to the 2nd floor before Baker and Truly, and even before Vickie Adams came down.

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  • From Chuck Schuyler@21:1/5 to All on Mon Aug 28 10:57:10 2023
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 12:47:24 PM UTC-5, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 1:42:06 PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 12:25:03 PM UTC-5, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 12:49:43 PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 11:19:44 AM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    https://postimg.cc/ZB3YG9jz

    Yes, it is the frame of a film, but that still is a photograph.

    Maybe it's there. I don't know. But Hank has asserted that the clip can be seen in a photo of Lt. Day leaving the building https://www.jfk-assassination.net/images/day_clip.gif. I see that. But, to me, it looks like it is not there when Day
    first examines the rifle https://postimg.cc/ZB3YG9jz. Maybe it is, but I don't see it. Why can't Hank, who sees the clip when Day is walking out, say that he sees it when Day is examining the rifle? If it's there, tell me it's there. Maybe it is. I don't
    know.
    You're right that you can't see it, but it still could be there.

    In this video, notice that although the clip is in the rifle, it is not visible in the ejection port at the bottom of the weapon.

    https://youtu.be/eD9PRba_wAk

    Well, that's all Hank had to do. Pity he's not as clever as you. Yes, at least from that angle, the clip cannot be seen until it falls out. And it falls out when the last cartridge is chambered, before it is fired. So, if it was working properly,
    then it should have fallen out by the window. But the gun is an old piece of crap, so maybe it stayed put...until Day carried it out of the building and then it peaked out a bit. That must be Hank's explanation, I imagine. Amazing such a shitty old gun
    in the hands of a mediocre marksman could accomplish what trained experts with the thing fixed up couldn't.
    Shit happens, hence the shit-eating grin on your boy Oswald's face as he raised his clenched fists in the Commie solidarity salute while cuffed and under arrest. Look at that smirk. Here's a man proud of his work that day:


    https://www.columbiamissourian.com/visuals/photos/lee-harvey-oswald-holds-up-his-manacled-hands/image_c5a86702-bb51-11e7-8585-abef03615d45.html

    Don't be silly. Oswald scored his hit from behind the picket fence.

    He wasn't getting a soda when the shooting happened or something like that?

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  • From Sky Throne 19efppp@21:1/5 to John Corbett on Mon Aug 28 11:41:16 2023
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 2:22:46 PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 2:01:19 PM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 1:57:12 PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 12:47:24 PM UTC-5, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 1:42:06 PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 12:25:03 PM UTC-5, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 12:49:43 PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 11:19:44 AM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    https://postimg.cc/ZB3YG9jz

    Yes, it is the frame of a film, but that still is a photograph.

    Maybe it's there. I don't know. But Hank has asserted that the clip can be seen in a photo of Lt. Day leaving the building https://www.jfk-assassination.net/images/day_clip.gif. I see that. But, to me, it looks like it is not there when
    Day first examines the rifle https://postimg.cc/ZB3YG9jz. Maybe it is, but I don't see it. Why can't Hank, who sees the clip when Day is walking out, say that he sees it when Day is examining the rifle? If it's there, tell me it's there. Maybe it is. I
    don't know.
    You're right that you can't see it, but it still could be there.

    In this video, notice that although the clip is in the rifle, it is not visible in the ejection port at the bottom of the weapon.

    https://youtu.be/eD9PRba_wAk

    Well, that's all Hank had to do. Pity he's not as clever as you. Yes, at least from that angle, the clip cannot be seen until it falls out. And it falls out when the last cartridge is chambered, before it is fired. So, if it was working
    properly, then it should have fallen out by the window. But the gun is an old piece of crap, so maybe it stayed put...until Day carried it out of the building and then it peaked out a bit. That must be Hank's explanation, I imagine. Amazing such a shitty
    old gun in the hands of a mediocre marksman could accomplish what trained experts with the thing fixed up couldn't.
    Shit happens, hence the shit-eating grin on your boy Oswald's face as he raised his clenched fists in the Commie solidarity salute while cuffed and under arrest. Look at that smirk. Here's a man proud of his work that day:


    https://www.columbiamissourian.com/visuals/photos/lee-harvey-oswald-holds-up-his-manacled-hands/image_c5a86702-bb51-11e7-8585-abef03615d45.html

    Don't be silly. Oswald scored his hit from behind the picket fence.
    He wasn't getting a soda when the shooting happened or something like that?
    No. I think he was JC Price's Running Man, the guy Price saw run from the picket fence to behind the TSBD. Plenty of time for Oswald to get up to the 2nd floor before Baker and Truly, and even before Vickie Adams came down.
    These are the kind of conclusions one reaches when they substitute imagination for evidence.

    This is the kind of grammar used by senile "conservative" morons.

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  • From John Corbett@21:1/5 to All on Mon Aug 28 11:22:43 2023
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 2:01:19 PM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 1:57:12 PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 12:47:24 PM UTC-5, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 1:42:06 PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 12:25:03 PM UTC-5, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 12:49:43 PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 11:19:44 AM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    https://postimg.cc/ZB3YG9jz

    Yes, it is the frame of a film, but that still is a photograph.

    Maybe it's there. I don't know. But Hank has asserted that the clip can be seen in a photo of Lt. Day leaving the building https://www.jfk-assassination.net/images/day_clip.gif. I see that. But, to me, it looks like it is not there when Day
    first examines the rifle https://postimg.cc/ZB3YG9jz. Maybe it is, but I don't see it. Why can't Hank, who sees the clip when Day is walking out, say that he sees it when Day is examining the rifle? If it's there, tell me it's there. Maybe it is. I don't
    know.
    You're right that you can't see it, but it still could be there.

    In this video, notice that although the clip is in the rifle, it is not visible in the ejection port at the bottom of the weapon.

    https://youtu.be/eD9PRba_wAk

    Well, that's all Hank had to do. Pity he's not as clever as you. Yes, at least from that angle, the clip cannot be seen until it falls out. And it falls out when the last cartridge is chambered, before it is fired. So, if it was working
    properly, then it should have fallen out by the window. But the gun is an old piece of crap, so maybe it stayed put...until Day carried it out of the building and then it peaked out a bit. That must be Hank's explanation, I imagine. Amazing such a shitty
    old gun in the hands of a mediocre marksman could accomplish what trained experts with the thing fixed up couldn't.
    Shit happens, hence the shit-eating grin on your boy Oswald's face as he raised his clenched fists in the Commie solidarity salute while cuffed and under arrest. Look at that smirk. Here's a man proud of his work that day:


    https://www.columbiamissourian.com/visuals/photos/lee-harvey-oswald-holds-up-his-manacled-hands/image_c5a86702-bb51-11e7-8585-abef03615d45.html

    Don't be silly. Oswald scored his hit from behind the picket fence.
    He wasn't getting a soda when the shooting happened or something like that?
    No. I think he was JC Price's Running Man, the guy Price saw run from the picket fence to behind the TSBD. Plenty of time for Oswald to get up to the 2nd floor before Baker and Truly, and even before Vickie Adams came down.

    These are the kind of conclusions one reaches when they substitute imagination for evidence.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Chuck Schuyler@21:1/5 to Gil Jesus on Mon Aug 28 13:05:43 2023
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 2:44:39 PM UTC-5, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 2:22:46 PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:

    These are the kind of conclusions one reaches when they substitute imagination for evidence.

    And you should know because you always use evidence, right ?

    Your Team Oswald co-member Sky Throne believes Oswald fired a shot from the grassy knoll and hustled back inside the TSBD, unseen, in time for his Baker and Truly encounter. Why don't you "school" him?

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  • From Gil Jesus@21:1/5 to John Corbett on Mon Aug 28 12:44:37 2023
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 2:22:46 PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    These are the kind of conclusions one reaches when they substitute imagination for evidence.

    And you should know because you always use evidence, right ?

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  • From Sky Throne 19efppp@21:1/5 to Chuck Schuyler on Mon Aug 28 13:59:54 2023
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 4:05:44 PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 2:44:39 PM UTC-5, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 2:22:46 PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:

    These are the kind of conclusions one reaches when they substitute imagination for evidence.

    And you should know because you always use evidence, right ?
    Your Team Oswald co-member Sky Throne believes Oswald fired a shot from the grassy knoll and hustled back inside the TSBD, unseen, in time for his Baker and Truly encounter. Why don't you "school" him?

    I'm not on any team, you Nutter Retard. How can somebody so stupid and ignorant as you presume to think he knows anything about the JFK assassination? You're only here because you're a lonely old asshole at the end of your empty and stupid life, the very
    flower of godless capitalism.

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  • From Sky Throne 19efppp@21:1/5 to John Corbett on Mon Aug 28 14:18:24 2023
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 5:17:09 PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 3:44:39 PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 2:22:46 PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    These are the kind of conclusions one reaches when they substitute imagination for evidence.
    And you should know because you always use evidence, right ?
    Everything I believe about the assassination is supported by real, hard evidence. Not the shit
    you whip up because it sounds good to you. The kind of evidence that tells us Oswald was the
    assassin is the same kind that is used to solve countless other murders. Ballistics matching
    bullets and shells to the suspected murder weapon. A paper trail establishing the primary
    suspect was the owner of the weapon. The suspects prints on the murder weapon and at the
    scene of the crime. Fiber evidence linking the suspect's shirt to the weapon and the bag to the
    weapon. Medical evidence that proves conclusively where the fatal shots were fired from. We
    also have things that we don't normally have in a murder case. Photos of the primary suspect
    with both murder weapons. A film record of one of the murders.

    And what do you counter with. A litany excuses for dismissing all that damning evidence.

    You're just a run of the mill moron, and everybody knows it.

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  • From John Corbett@21:1/5 to Gil Jesus on Mon Aug 28 14:17:07 2023
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 3:44:39 PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 2:22:46 PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    These are the kind of conclusions one reaches when they substitute imagination for evidence.
    And you should know because you always use evidence, right ?

    Everything I believe about the assassination is supported by real, hard evidence. Not the shit
    you whip up because it sounds good to you. The kind of evidence that tells us Oswald was the
    assassin is the same kind that is used to solve countless other murders. Ballistics matching
    bullets and shells to the suspected murder weapon. A paper trail establishing the primary
    suspect was the owner of the weapon. The suspects prints on the murder weapon and at the
    scene of the crime. Fiber evidence linking the suspect's shirt to the weapon and the bag to the
    weapon. Medical evidence that proves conclusively where the fatal shots were fired from. We
    also have things that we don't normally have in a murder case. Photos of the primary suspect
    with both murder weapons. A film record of one of the murders.

    And what do you counter with. A litany excuses for dismissing all that damning evidence.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Bud@21:1/5 to All on Mon Aug 28 14:25:13 2023
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 4:59:56 PM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 4:05:44 PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 2:44:39 PM UTC-5, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 2:22:46 PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:

    These are the kind of conclusions one reaches when they substitute imagination for evidence.

    And you should know because you always use evidence, right ?
    Your Team Oswald co-member Sky Throne believes Oswald fired a shot from the grassy knoll and hustled back inside the TSBD, unseen, in time for his Baker and Truly encounter. Why don't you "school" him?
    I'm not on any team, you Nutter Retard.

    But you are in a group. There are two groups represented here, rational, reasonable people and retards. If you don`t know what group you are in look to the other members of your group for clues.

    How can somebody so stupid and ignorant as you presume to think he knows anything about the JFK assassination? You're only here because you're a lonely old asshole at the end of your empty and stupid life, the very flower of godless capitalism.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Sky Throne 19efppp@21:1/5 to Bud on Mon Aug 28 14:39:23 2023
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 5:25:14 PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 4:59:56 PM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 4:05:44 PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 2:44:39 PM UTC-5, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 2:22:46 PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:

    These are the kind of conclusions one reaches when they substitute imagination for evidence.

    And you should know because you always use evidence, right ?
    Your Team Oswald co-member Sky Throne believes Oswald fired a shot from the grassy knoll and hustled back inside the TSBD, unseen, in time for his Baker and Truly encounter. Why don't you "school" him?
    I'm not on any team, you Nutter Retard.
    But you are in a group. There are two groups represented here, rational, reasonable people and retards. If you don`t know what group you are in look to the other members of your group for clues.
    How can somebody so stupid and ignorant as you presume to think he knows anything about the JFK assassination? You're only here because you're a lonely old asshole at the end of your empty and stupid life, the very flower of godless capitalism.

    It's only in your little pea of a brain that I am in a group. Your crude intellect requires you to group people together because you are too stupid to deal with individuals as individuals. You can only attack individuals as members of a group you hate.
    That's all a moron like you can muster.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Bud@21:1/5 to All on Mon Aug 28 14:48:26 2023
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 5:39:25 PM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 5:25:14 PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 4:59:56 PM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 4:05:44 PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 2:44:39 PM UTC-5, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 2:22:46 PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:

    These are the kind of conclusions one reaches when they substitute imagination for evidence.

    And you should know because you always use evidence, right ?
    Your Team Oswald co-member Sky Throne believes Oswald fired a shot from the grassy knoll and hustled back inside the TSBD, unseen, in time for his Baker and Truly encounter. Why don't you "school" him?
    I'm not on any team, you Nutter Retard.
    But you are in a group. There are two groups represented here, rational, reasonable people and retards. If you don`t know what group you are in look to the other members of your group for clues.
    How can somebody so stupid and ignorant as you presume to think he knows anything about the JFK assassination? You're only here because you're a lonely old asshole at the end of your empty and stupid life, the very flower of godless capitalism.
    It's only in your little pea of a brain that I am in a group. Your crude intellect requires you to group people together because you are too stupid to deal with individuals as individuals. You can only attack individuals as members of a group you hate.
    That's all a moron like you can muster.

    If you wish to leave your assigned group, the solution is simple. Stop being a retard.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Sky Throne 19efppp@21:1/5 to Bud on Mon Aug 28 14:51:43 2023
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 5:48:28 PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 5:39:25 PM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 5:25:14 PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 4:59:56 PM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 4:05:44 PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 2:44:39 PM UTC-5, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 2:22:46 PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:

    These are the kind of conclusions one reaches when they substitute imagination for evidence.

    And you should know because you always use evidence, right ?
    Your Team Oswald co-member Sky Throne believes Oswald fired a shot from the grassy knoll and hustled back inside the TSBD, unseen, in time for his Baker and Truly encounter. Why don't you "school" him?
    I'm not on any team, you Nutter Retard.
    But you are in a group. There are two groups represented here, rational, reasonable people and retards. If you don`t know what group you are in look to the other members of your group for clues.
    How can somebody so stupid and ignorant as you presume to think he knows anything about the JFK assassination? You're only here because you're a lonely old asshole at the end of your empty and stupid life, the very flower of godless capitalism.
    It's only in your little pea of a brain that I am in a group. Your crude intellect requires you to group people together because you are too stupid to deal with individuals as individuals. You can only attack individuals as members of a group you
    hate. That's all a moron like you can muster.
    If you wish to leave your assigned group, the solution is simple. Stop being a retard.

    How do you fit so much shit into you're little retarded brain? At least you have the distinction of being the Most Retarded Nutter Retard Of Them All. You have reached the pinnacle of your career. You sit alone at the mountain top, with the peak right up
    your ass.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Sky Throne 19efppp@21:1/5 to Hank Sienzant on Wed Aug 30 02:35:20 2023
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 5:20:48 AM UTC-4, Hank Sienzant wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 2:41:18 PM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 2:22:46 PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 2:01:19 PM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 1:57:12 PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 12:47:24 PM UTC-5, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 1:42:06 PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 12:25:03 PM UTC-5, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 12:49:43 PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 11:19:44 AM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    https://postimg.cc/ZB3YG9jz

    Yes, it is the frame of a film, but that still is a photograph.

    Maybe it's there. I don't know. But Hank has asserted that the clip can be seen in a photo of Lt. Day leaving the building https://www.jfk-assassination.net/images/day_clip.gif. I see that. But, to me, it looks like it is not there
    when Day first examines the rifle https://postimg.cc/ZB3YG9jz. Maybe it is, but I don't see it. Why can't Hank, who sees the clip when Day is walking out, say that he sees it when Day is examining the rifle? If it's there, tell me it's there. Maybe it is.
    I don't know.
    You're right that you can't see it, but it still could be there.

    In this video, notice that although the clip is in the rifle, it is not visible in the ejection port at the bottom of the weapon.

    https://youtu.be/eD9PRba_wAk

    Well, that's all Hank had to do. Pity he's not as clever as you. Yes, at least from that angle, the clip cannot be seen until it falls out. And it falls out when the last cartridge is chambered, before it is fired. So, if it was working
    properly, then it should have fallen out by the window. But the gun is an old piece of crap, so maybe it stayed put...until Day carried it out of the building and then it peaked out a bit. That must be Hank's explanation, I imagine. Amazing such a shitty
    old gun in the hands of a mediocre marksman could accomplish what trained experts with the thing fixed up couldn't.
    Shit happens, hence the shit-eating grin on your boy Oswald's face as he raised his clenched fists in the Commie solidarity salute while cuffed and under arrest. Look at that smirk. Here's a man proud of his work that day:


    https://www.columbiamissourian.com/visuals/photos/lee-harvey-oswald-holds-up-his-manacled-hands/image_c5a86702-bb51-11e7-8585-abef03615d45.html

    Don't be silly. Oswald scored his hit from behind the picket fence.
    He wasn't getting a soda when the shooting happened or something like that?
    No. I think he was JC Price's Running Man, the guy Price saw run from the picket fence to behind the TSBD. Plenty of time for Oswald to get up to the 2nd floor before Baker and Truly, and even before Vickie Adams came down.
    These are the kind of conclusions one reaches when they substitute imagination for evidence.
    This is the kind of grammar used by senile "conservative" morons.
    You are just upset at Gil for exposing your nonsense, and now you’re taking it out on John.I.

    So we’re done with the clip nonsense and you won’t be asking about again?

    And Ben will concede that clip issue with a ‘mea colpa’ and likewise never argue again that the clip wasn’t in the rifle?

    One silly conspiracy argument dead and buried.

    But let’s see how long it takes until a conspiracy theorist resurrects it.

    You're just upset that Gil can explain something that you can't.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Hank Sienzant@21:1/5 to All on Wed Aug 30 02:20:46 2023
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 2:41:18 PM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 2:22:46 PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 2:01:19 PM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 1:57:12 PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 12:47:24 PM UTC-5, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 1:42:06 PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 12:25:03 PM UTC-5, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 12:49:43 PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 11:19:44 AM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    https://postimg.cc/ZB3YG9jz

    Yes, it is the frame of a film, but that still is a photograph.

    Maybe it's there. I don't know. But Hank has asserted that the clip can be seen in a photo of Lt. Day leaving the building https://www.jfk-assassination.net/images/day_clip.gif. I see that. But, to me, it looks like it is not there when
    Day first examines the rifle https://postimg.cc/ZB3YG9jz. Maybe it is, but I don't see it. Why can't Hank, who sees the clip when Day is walking out, say that he sees it when Day is examining the rifle? If it's there, tell me it's there. Maybe it is. I
    don't know.
    You're right that you can't see it, but it still could be there.

    In this video, notice that although the clip is in the rifle, it is not visible in the ejection port at the bottom of the weapon.

    https://youtu.be/eD9PRba_wAk

    Well, that's all Hank had to do. Pity he's not as clever as you. Yes, at least from that angle, the clip cannot be seen until it falls out. And it falls out when the last cartridge is chambered, before it is fired. So, if it was working
    properly, then it should have fallen out by the window. But the gun is an old piece of crap, so maybe it stayed put...until Day carried it out of the building and then it peaked out a bit. That must be Hank's explanation, I imagine. Amazing such a shitty
    old gun in the hands of a mediocre marksman could accomplish what trained experts with the thing fixed up couldn't.
    Shit happens, hence the shit-eating grin on your boy Oswald's face as he raised his clenched fists in the Commie solidarity salute while cuffed and under arrest. Look at that smirk. Here's a man proud of his work that day:


    https://www.columbiamissourian.com/visuals/photos/lee-harvey-oswald-holds-up-his-manacled-hands/image_c5a86702-bb51-11e7-8585-abef03615d45.html

    Don't be silly. Oswald scored his hit from behind the picket fence.
    He wasn't getting a soda when the shooting happened or something like that?
    No. I think he was JC Price's Running Man, the guy Price saw run from the picket fence to behind the TSBD. Plenty of time for Oswald to get up to the 2nd floor before Baker and Truly, and even before Vickie Adams came down.
    These are the kind of conclusions one reaches when they substitute imagination for evidence.
    This is the kind of grammar used by senile "conservative" morons.

    You are just upset at Gil for exposing your nonsense, and now you’re taking it out on John.I.

    So we’re done with the clip nonsense and you won’t be asking about again?

    And Ben will concede that clip issue with a ‘mea colpa’ and likewise never argue again that the clip wasn’t in the rifle?

    One silly conspiracy argument dead and buried.

    But let’s see how long it takes until a conspiracy theorist resurrects it.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Hank Sienzant@21:1/5 to All on Wed Aug 30 02:54:29 2023
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 5:35:22 AM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 5:20:48 AM UTC-4, Hank Sienzant wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 2:41:18 PM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 2:22:46 PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 2:01:19 PM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 1:57:12 PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 12:47:24 PM UTC-5, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 1:42:06 PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 12:25:03 PM UTC-5, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 12:49:43 PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 11:19:44 AM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    https://postimg.cc/ZB3YG9jz

    Yes, it is the frame of a film, but that still is a photograph.

    Maybe it's there. I don't know. But Hank has asserted that the clip can be seen in a photo of Lt. Day leaving the building https://www.jfk-assassination.net/images/day_clip.gif. I see that. But, to me, it looks like it is not there
    when Day first examines the rifle https://postimg.cc/ZB3YG9jz. Maybe it is, but I don't see it. Why can't Hank, who sees the clip when Day is walking out, say that he sees it when Day is examining the rifle? If it's there, tell me it's there. Maybe it is.
    I don't know.
    You're right that you can't see it, but it still could be there.

    In this video, notice that although the clip is in the rifle, it is not visible in the ejection port at the bottom of the weapon.

    https://youtu.be/eD9PRba_wAk

    Well, that's all Hank had to do. Pity he's not as clever as you. Yes, at least from that angle, the clip cannot be seen until it falls out. And it falls out when the last cartridge is chambered, before it is fired. So, if it was working
    properly, then it should have fallen out by the window. But the gun is an old piece of crap, so maybe it stayed put...until Day carried it out of the building and then it peaked out a bit. That must be Hank's explanation, I imagine. Amazing such a shitty
    old gun in the hands of a mediocre marksman could accomplish what trained experts with the thing fixed up couldn't.
    Shit happens, hence the shit-eating grin on your boy Oswald's face as he raised his clenched fists in the Commie solidarity salute while cuffed and under arrest. Look at that smirk. Here's a man proud of his work that day:


    https://www.columbiamissourian.com/visuals/photos/lee-harvey-oswald-holds-up-his-manacled-hands/image_c5a86702-bb51-11e7-8585-abef03615d45.html

    Don't be silly. Oswald scored his hit from behind the picket fence.
    He wasn't getting a soda when the shooting happened or something like that?
    No. I think he was JC Price's Running Man, the guy Price saw run from the picket fence to behind the TSBD. Plenty of time for Oswald to get up to the 2nd floor before Baker and Truly, and even before Vickie Adams came down.
    These are the kind of conclusions one reaches when they substitute imagination for evidence.
    This is the kind of grammar used by senile "conservative" morons.
    You are just upset at Gil for exposing your nonsense, and now you’re taking it out on John.I.

    So we’re done with the clip nonsense and you won’t be asking about again?

    And Ben will concede that clip issue with a ‘mea colpa’ and likewise never argue again that the clip wasn’t in the rifle?

    One silly conspiracy argument dead and buried.

    But let’s see how long it takes until a conspiracy theorist resurrects it.
    You're just upset that Gil can explain something that you can't.

    Not at all. That is exactly what I was arguing in favor of, and he did establish my argument with a YouTube video.

    So I therefore thank Gil for posting that and helping to bury one hoary conspiracy argument.

    Let’s see how long it stays buried before some CT resurrects it (most likely Ben).

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Sky Throne 19efppp@21:1/5 to Hank Sienzant on Wed Aug 30 03:15:00 2023
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 5:54:31 AM UTC-4, Hank Sienzant wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 5:35:22 AM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 5:20:48 AM UTC-4, Hank Sienzant wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 2:41:18 PM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 2:22:46 PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 2:01:19 PM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 1:57:12 PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 12:47:24 PM UTC-5, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 1:42:06 PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 12:25:03 PM UTC-5, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 12:49:43 PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 11:19:44 AM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    https://postimg.cc/ZB3YG9jz

    Yes, it is the frame of a film, but that still is a photograph.

    Maybe it's there. I don't know. But Hank has asserted that the clip can be seen in a photo of Lt. Day leaving the building https://www.jfk-assassination.net/images/day_clip.gif. I see that. But, to me, it looks like it is not
    there when Day first examines the rifle https://postimg.cc/ZB3YG9jz. Maybe it is, but I don't see it. Why can't Hank, who sees the clip when Day is walking out, say that he sees it when Day is examining the rifle? If it's there, tell me it's there. Maybe
    it is. I don't know.
    You're right that you can't see it, but it still could be there.

    In this video, notice that although the clip is in the rifle, it is not visible in the ejection port at the bottom of the weapon.

    https://youtu.be/eD9PRba_wAk

    Well, that's all Hank had to do. Pity he's not as clever as you. Yes, at least from that angle, the clip cannot be seen until it falls out. And it falls out when the last cartridge is chambered, before it is fired. So, if it was
    working properly, then it should have fallen out by the window. But the gun is an old piece of crap, so maybe it stayed put...until Day carried it out of the building and then it peaked out a bit. That must be Hank's explanation, I imagine. Amazing such
    a shitty old gun in the hands of a mediocre marksman could accomplish what trained experts with the thing fixed up couldn't.
    Shit happens, hence the shit-eating grin on your boy Oswald's face as he raised his clenched fists in the Commie solidarity salute while cuffed and under arrest. Look at that smirk. Here's a man proud of his work that day:


    https://www.columbiamissourian.com/visuals/photos/lee-harvey-oswald-holds-up-his-manacled-hands/image_c5a86702-bb51-11e7-8585-abef03615d45.html

    Don't be silly. Oswald scored his hit from behind the picket fence.
    He wasn't getting a soda when the shooting happened or something like that?
    No. I think he was JC Price's Running Man, the guy Price saw run from the picket fence to behind the TSBD. Plenty of time for Oswald to get up to the 2nd floor before Baker and Truly, and even before Vickie Adams came down.
    These are the kind of conclusions one reaches when they substitute imagination for evidence.
    This is the kind of grammar used by senile "conservative" morons.
    You are just upset at Gil for exposing your nonsense, and now you’re taking it out on John.I.

    So we’re done with the clip nonsense and you won’t be asking about again?

    And Ben will concede that clip issue with a ‘mea colpa’ and likewise never argue again that the clip wasn’t in the rifle?

    One silly conspiracy argument dead and buried.

    But let’s see how long it takes until a conspiracy theorist resurrects it.
    You're just upset that Gil can explain something that you can't.
    Not at all. That is exactly what I was arguing in favor of, and he did establish my argument with a YouTube video.

    So I therefore thank Gil for posting that and helping to bury one hoary conspiracy argument.

    Let’s see how long it stays buried before some CT resurrects it (most likely Ben).

    You're just upset that Gil was able to explain what you were allegedly trying to explain, but could not articulate, being too occupied with being the obnoxious dick you always are.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Hank Sienzant@21:1/5 to All on Wed Aug 30 03:28:50 2023
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 6:15:03 AM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 5:54:31 AM UTC-4, Hank Sienzant wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 5:35:22 AM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 5:20:48 AM UTC-4, Hank Sienzant wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 2:41:18 PM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 2:22:46 PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 2:01:19 PM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 1:57:12 PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 12:47:24 PM UTC-5, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 1:42:06 PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 12:25:03 PM UTC-5, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 12:49:43 PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 11:19:44 AM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    https://postimg.cc/ZB3YG9jz

    Yes, it is the frame of a film, but that still is a photograph.

    Maybe it's there. I don't know. But Hank has asserted that the clip can be seen in a photo of Lt. Day leaving the building https://www.jfk-assassination.net/images/day_clip.gif. I see that. But, to me, it looks like it is not
    there when Day first examines the rifle https://postimg.cc/ZB3YG9jz. Maybe it is, but I don't see it. Why can't Hank, who sees the clip when Day is walking out, say that he sees it when Day is examining the rifle? If it's there, tell me it's there. Maybe
    it is. I don't know.
    You're right that you can't see it, but it still could be there.

    In this video, notice that although the clip is in the rifle, it is not visible in the ejection port at the bottom of the weapon.

    https://youtu.be/eD9PRba_wAk

    Well, that's all Hank had to do. Pity he's not as clever as you. Yes, at least from that angle, the clip cannot be seen until it falls out. And it falls out when the last cartridge is chambered, before it is fired. So, if it was
    working properly, then it should have fallen out by the window. But the gun is an old piece of crap, so maybe it stayed put...until Day carried it out of the building and then it peaked out a bit. That must be Hank's explanation, I imagine. Amazing such
    a shitty old gun in the hands of a mediocre marksman could accomplish what trained experts with the thing fixed up couldn't.
    Shit happens, hence the shit-eating grin on your boy Oswald's face as he raised his clenched fists in the Commie solidarity salute while cuffed and under arrest. Look at that smirk. Here's a man proud of his work that day:


    https://www.columbiamissourian.com/visuals/photos/lee-harvey-oswald-holds-up-his-manacled-hands/image_c5a86702-bb51-11e7-8585-abef03615d45.html

    Don't be silly. Oswald scored his hit from behind the picket fence.
    He wasn't getting a soda when the shooting happened or something like that?
    No. I think he was JC Price's Running Man, the guy Price saw run from the picket fence to behind the TSBD. Plenty of time for Oswald to get up to the 2nd floor before Baker and Truly, and even before Vickie Adams came down.
    These are the kind of conclusions one reaches when they substitute imagination for evidence.
    This is the kind of grammar used by senile "conservative" morons.
    You are just upset at Gil for exposing your nonsense, and now you’re taking it out on John.I.

    So we’re done with the clip nonsense and you won’t be asking about again?

    And Ben will concede that clip issue with a ‘mea colpa’ and likewise never argue again that the clip wasn’t in the rifle?

    One silly conspiracy argument dead and buried.

    But let’s see how long it takes until a conspiracy theorist resurrects it.
    You're just upset that Gil can explain something that you can't.
    Not at all. That is exactly what I was arguing in favor of, and he did establish my argument with a YouTube video.

    So I therefore thank Gil for posting that and helping to bury one hoary conspiracy argument.

    Let’s see how long it stays buried before some CT resurrects it (most likely Ben).
    You're just upset that Gil was able to explain what you were allegedly trying to explain, but could not articulate, being too occupied with being the obnoxious dick you always are.

    And there you go again, resorting to ad hominem because your argument fell apart once more (and irony of ironies, it was a fellow CT that helped expose it).

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Sky Throne 19efppp@21:1/5 to Hank Sienzant on Wed Aug 30 03:41:33 2023
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 6:28:53 AM UTC-4, Hank Sienzant wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 6:15:03 AM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 5:54:31 AM UTC-4, Hank Sienzant wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 5:35:22 AM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 5:20:48 AM UTC-4, Hank Sienzant wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 2:41:18 PM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 2:22:46 PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 2:01:19 PM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 1:57:12 PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 12:47:24 PM UTC-5, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 1:42:06 PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 12:25:03 PM UTC-5, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 12:49:43 PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 11:19:44 AM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    https://postimg.cc/ZB3YG9jz

    Yes, it is the frame of a film, but that still is a photograph.

    Maybe it's there. I don't know. But Hank has asserted that the clip can be seen in a photo of Lt. Day leaving the building https://www.jfk-assassination.net/images/day_clip.gif. I see that. But, to me, it looks like it is not
    there when Day first examines the rifle https://postimg.cc/ZB3YG9jz. Maybe it is, but I don't see it. Why can't Hank, who sees the clip when Day is walking out, say that he sees it when Day is examining the rifle? If it's there, tell me it's there. Maybe
    it is. I don't know.
    You're right that you can't see it, but it still could be there.

    In this video, notice that although the clip is in the rifle, it is not visible in the ejection port at the bottom of the weapon.

    https://youtu.be/eD9PRba_wAk

    Well, that's all Hank had to do. Pity he's not as clever as you. Yes, at least from that angle, the clip cannot be seen until it falls out. And it falls out when the last cartridge is chambered, before it is fired. So, if it was
    working properly, then it should have fallen out by the window. But the gun is an old piece of crap, so maybe it stayed put...until Day carried it out of the building and then it peaked out a bit. That must be Hank's explanation, I imagine. Amazing such
    a shitty old gun in the hands of a mediocre marksman could accomplish what trained experts with the thing fixed up couldn't.
    Shit happens, hence the shit-eating grin on your boy Oswald's face as he raised his clenched fists in the Commie solidarity salute while cuffed and under arrest. Look at that smirk. Here's a man proud of his work that day:


    https://www.columbiamissourian.com/visuals/photos/lee-harvey-oswald-holds-up-his-manacled-hands/image_c5a86702-bb51-11e7-8585-abef03615d45.html

    Don't be silly. Oswald scored his hit from behind the picket fence.
    He wasn't getting a soda when the shooting happened or something like that?
    No. I think he was JC Price's Running Man, the guy Price saw run from the picket fence to behind the TSBD. Plenty of time for Oswald to get up to the 2nd floor before Baker and Truly, and even before Vickie Adams came down.
    These are the kind of conclusions one reaches when they substitute imagination for evidence.
    This is the kind of grammar used by senile "conservative" morons.
    You are just upset at Gil for exposing your nonsense, and now you’re taking it out on John.I.

    So we’re done with the clip nonsense and you won’t be asking about again?

    And Ben will concede that clip issue with a ‘mea colpa’ and likewise never argue again that the clip wasn’t in the rifle?

    One silly conspiracy argument dead and buried.

    But let’s see how long it takes until a conspiracy theorist resurrects it.
    You're just upset that Gil can explain something that you can't.
    Not at all. That is exactly what I was arguing in favor of, and he did establish my argument with a YouTube video.

    So I therefore thank Gil for posting that and helping to bury one hoary conspiracy argument.

    Let’s see how long it stays buried before some CT resurrects it (most likely Ben).
    You're just upset that Gil was able to explain what you were allegedly trying to explain, but could not articulate, being too occupied with being the obnoxious dick you always are.
    And there you go again, resorting to ad hominem because your argument fell apart once more (and irony of ironies, it was a fellow CT that helped expose it).

    Everybody knows you're an obnoxious dick, while at the same time criticizing the ad hominems of others. Now you're just throwing up a smokescreen to hide that fact that you're upset over Gil's superiority in explaining stuff. It's kind of cute, actually,
    or would be if you were 2 years old.

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  • From John Corbett@21:1/5 to All on Wed Aug 30 03:46:52 2023
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 6:41:35 AM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 6:28:53 AM UTC-4, Hank Sienzant wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 6:15:03 AM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 5:54:31 AM UTC-4, Hank Sienzant wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 5:35:22 AM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 5:20:48 AM UTC-4, Hank Sienzant wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 2:41:18 PM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 2:22:46 PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 2:01:19 PM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 1:57:12 PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 12:47:24 PM UTC-5, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 1:42:06 PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 12:25:03 PM UTC-5, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 12:49:43 PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 11:19:44 AM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    https://postimg.cc/ZB3YG9jz

    Yes, it is the frame of a film, but that still is a photograph.

    Maybe it's there. I don't know. But Hank has asserted that the clip can be seen in a photo of Lt. Day leaving the building https://www.jfk-assassination.net/images/day_clip.gif. I see that. But, to me, it looks like it is
    not there when Day first examines the rifle https://postimg.cc/ZB3YG9jz. Maybe it is, but I don't see it. Why can't Hank, who sees the clip when Day is walking out, say that he sees it when Day is examining the rifle? If it's there, tell me it's there.
    Maybe it is. I don't know.
    You're right that you can't see it, but it still could be there.

    In this video, notice that although the clip is in the rifle, it is not visible in the ejection port at the bottom of the weapon.

    https://youtu.be/eD9PRba_wAk

    Well, that's all Hank had to do. Pity he's not as clever as you. Yes, at least from that angle, the clip cannot be seen until it falls out. And it falls out when the last cartridge is chambered, before it is fired. So, if it was
    working properly, then it should have fallen out by the window. But the gun is an old piece of crap, so maybe it stayed put...until Day carried it out of the building and then it peaked out a bit. That must be Hank's explanation, I imagine. Amazing such
    a shitty old gun in the hands of a mediocre marksman could accomplish what trained experts with the thing fixed up couldn't.
    Shit happens, hence the shit-eating grin on your boy Oswald's face as he raised his clenched fists in the Commie solidarity salute while cuffed and under arrest. Look at that smirk. Here's a man proud of his work that day:


    https://www.columbiamissourian.com/visuals/photos/lee-harvey-oswald-holds-up-his-manacled-hands/image_c5a86702-bb51-11e7-8585-abef03615d45.html

    Don't be silly. Oswald scored his hit from behind the picket fence.
    He wasn't getting a soda when the shooting happened or something like that?
    No. I think he was JC Price's Running Man, the guy Price saw run from the picket fence to behind the TSBD. Plenty of time for Oswald to get up to the 2nd floor before Baker and Truly, and even before Vickie Adams came down.
    These are the kind of conclusions one reaches when they substitute imagination for evidence.
    This is the kind of grammar used by senile "conservative" morons.
    You are just upset at Gil for exposing your nonsense, and now you’re taking it out on John.I.

    So we’re done with the clip nonsense and you won’t be asking about again?

    And Ben will concede that clip issue with a ‘mea colpa’ and likewise never argue again that the clip wasn’t in the rifle?

    One silly conspiracy argument dead and buried.

    But let’s see how long it takes until a conspiracy theorist resurrects it.
    You're just upset that Gil can explain something that you can't.
    Not at all. That is exactly what I was arguing in favor of, and he did establish my argument with a YouTube video.

    So I therefore thank Gil for posting that and helping to bury one hoary conspiracy argument.

    Let’s see how long it stays buried before some CT resurrects it (most likely Ben).
    You're just upset that Gil was able to explain what you were allegedly trying to explain, but could not articulate, being too occupied with being the obnoxious dick you always are.
    And there you go again, resorting to ad hominem because your argument fell apart once more (and irony of ironies, it was a fellow CT that helped expose it).
    Everybody knows you're an obnoxious dick, while at the same time criticizing the ad hominems of others. Now you're just throwing up a smokescreen to hide that fact that you're upset over Gil's superiority in explaining stuff. It's kind of cute,
    actually, or would be if you were 2 years old.

    Your frustration is showing.

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  • From Gil Jesus@21:1/5 to Hank Sienzant on Wed Aug 30 04:02:36 2023
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 6:28:53 AM UTC-4, Hank Sienzant wrote:
    it was a fellow CT that helped expose it

    I'm not a conspiracy theorist, Hank.
    Conspiracy theorists see conspiracies everywhere. I don't.
    I consider myself a Warren Commission critic.

    I don't believe Sky Throne ever said there was no clip in the rifle.
    He was asking why the clip was not visible in the ejection port.

    The video showed that it was possible for the clip to be in the rifle and at the same time not be visible in the port.
    I posted it for Sky Throne's benefit, so he wouldn't be taken down some never ending rabbit hole.
    I didn't post it to put him down.

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  • From Sky Throne 19efppp@21:1/5 to John Corbett on Wed Aug 30 03:55:38 2023
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 6:46:54 AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 6:41:35 AM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 6:28:53 AM UTC-4, Hank Sienzant wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 6:15:03 AM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 5:54:31 AM UTC-4, Hank Sienzant wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 5:35:22 AM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 5:20:48 AM UTC-4, Hank Sienzant wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 2:41:18 PM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 2:22:46 PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 2:01:19 PM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 1:57:12 PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 12:47:24 PM UTC-5, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 1:42:06 PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 12:25:03 PM UTC-5, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 12:49:43 PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 11:19:44 AM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    https://postimg.cc/ZB3YG9jz

    Yes, it is the frame of a film, but that still is a photograph.

    Maybe it's there. I don't know. But Hank has asserted that the clip can be seen in a photo of Lt. Day leaving the building https://www.jfk-assassination.net/images/day_clip.gif. I see that. But, to me, it looks like it is
    not there when Day first examines the rifle https://postimg.cc/ZB3YG9jz. Maybe it is, but I don't see it. Why can't Hank, who sees the clip when Day is walking out, say that he sees it when Day is examining the rifle? If it's there, tell me it's there.
    Maybe it is. I don't know.
    You're right that you can't see it, but it still could be there.

    In this video, notice that although the clip is in the rifle, it is not visible in the ejection port at the bottom of the weapon.

    https://youtu.be/eD9PRba_wAk

    Well, that's all Hank had to do. Pity he's not as clever as you. Yes, at least from that angle, the clip cannot be seen until it falls out. And it falls out when the last cartridge is chambered, before it is fired. So, if it
    was working properly, then it should have fallen out by the window. But the gun is an old piece of crap, so maybe it stayed put...until Day carried it out of the building and then it peaked out a bit. That must be Hank's explanation, I imagine. Amazing
    such a shitty old gun in the hands of a mediocre marksman could accomplish what trained experts with the thing fixed up couldn't.
    Shit happens, hence the shit-eating grin on your boy Oswald's face as he raised his clenched fists in the Commie solidarity salute while cuffed and under arrest. Look at that smirk. Here's a man proud of his work that day:


    https://www.columbiamissourian.com/visuals/photos/lee-harvey-oswald-holds-up-his-manacled-hands/image_c5a86702-bb51-11e7-8585-abef03615d45.html

    Don't be silly. Oswald scored his hit from behind the picket fence.
    He wasn't getting a soda when the shooting happened or something like that?
    No. I think he was JC Price's Running Man, the guy Price saw run from the picket fence to behind the TSBD. Plenty of time for Oswald to get up to the 2nd floor before Baker and Truly, and even before Vickie Adams came down.
    These are the kind of conclusions one reaches when they substitute imagination for evidence.
    This is the kind of grammar used by senile "conservative" morons.
    You are just upset at Gil for exposing your nonsense, and now you’re taking it out on John.I.

    So we’re done with the clip nonsense and you won’t be asking about again?

    And Ben will concede that clip issue with a ‘mea colpa’ and likewise never argue again that the clip wasn’t in the rifle?

    One silly conspiracy argument dead and buried.

    But let’s see how long it takes until a conspiracy theorist resurrects it.
    You're just upset that Gil can explain something that you can't.
    Not at all. That is exactly what I was arguing in favor of, and he did establish my argument with a YouTube video.

    So I therefore thank Gil for posting that and helping to bury one hoary conspiracy argument.

    Let’s see how long it stays buried before some CT resurrects it (most likely Ben).
    You're just upset that Gil was able to explain what you were allegedly trying to explain, but could not articulate, being too occupied with being the obnoxious dick you always are.
    And there you go again, resorting to ad hominem because your argument fell apart once more (and irony of ironies, it was a fellow CT that helped expose it).
    Everybody knows you're an obnoxious dick, while at the same time criticizing the ad hominems of others. Now you're just throwing up a smokescreen to hide that fact that you're upset over Gil's superiority in explaining stuff. It's kind of cute,
    actually, or would be if you were 2 years old.
    Your frustration is showing.

    You're just upset that you're a fucking moron.

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  • From Bud@21:1/5 to Gil Jesus on Wed Aug 30 04:32:29 2023
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 7:27:08 AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 7:22:03 AM UTC-4, Hank Sienzant wrote:
    But CTs argue Oswald couldn’t do this, no way, no how, not with his war-surplus weapon and not with his rusty skill set. That’s another nonsense argument. We saw SkyThrone trot out those two arguments above once the clip argument recently re-
    introduced by Ben was demolished. And he apparently is going to attempt to ride those dead horses.
    Ben didn't post a "clip argument".
    He posted that the Warren Commission lied when it published a citation that didn't exist.

    Hank addressed that. Try to keep up, Gil.

    And it did do that several times in its Report.
    Try to keep up, Hank.

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  • From John Corbett@21:1/5 to Gil Jesus on Wed Aug 30 04:17:02 2023
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 7:02:38 AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 6:28:53 AM UTC-4, Hank Sienzant wrote:
    it was a fellow CT that helped expose it
    I'm not a conspiracy theorist, Hank.
    Conspiracy theorists see conspiracies everywhere. I don't.
    I consider myself a Warren Commission critic.

    The Warren Commission found that Oswald alone killed JFK. If you disagree with that finding,
    you have two other options. Some other lone assassin killed JFK or there was a conspiracy.
    Which when do you believe?

    I don't believe Sky Throne ever said there was no clip in the rifle.
    He was asking why the clip was not visible in the ejection port.

    The video showed that it was possible for the clip to be in the rifle and at the same time not be visible in the port.
    I posted it for Sky Throne's benefit, so he wouldn't be taken down some never ending rabbit hole.
    I didn't post it to put him down.

    Unintended consequence.

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  • From Gil Jesus@21:1/5 to Hank Sienzant on Wed Aug 30 04:27:06 2023
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 7:22:03 AM UTC-4, Hank Sienzant wrote:
    But CTs argue Oswald couldn’t do this, no way, no how, not with his war-surplus weapon and not with his rusty skill set. That’s another nonsense argument. We saw SkyThrone trot out those two arguments above once the clip argument recently re-
    introduced by Ben was demolished. And he apparently is going to attempt to ride those dead horses.

    Ben didn't post a "clip argument".
    He posted that the Warren Commission lied when it published a citation that didn't exist.
    And it did do that several times in its Report.
    Try to keep up, Hank.

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  • From Gil Jesus@21:1/5 to John Corbett on Wed Aug 30 04:38:51 2023
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 7:17:04 AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:

    The Warren Commission found that Oswald alone killed JFK. If you disagree with that finding,
    you have two other options. Some other lone assassin killed JFK or there was a conspiracy.
    Which when do you believe?

    Oh Boy another comment from the King of our resident mental-midgets.
    This time he has a question, and one I've already answered quite a few times.

    Maybe I should type it slower, so it can penetrate his cement head.

    MY-RESEARCH-IS-ON-THE-EVIDENCE-IN-THE-CASE-AGAINST-OSWALD.

    Maybe you don't understand English. In that case, here it is:

    In Spanish:
    Mi investigación es sobre las pruebas en el caso contra Oswald.

    In French:
    mes recherches portent sur les preuves dans l'affaire contre Oswald

    In German:
    Meine Recherchen beziehen sich auf die Beweise im Fall gegen Oswald

    In Russian:
    мое исследование посвящено доказательствам по делу против Освальда

    In Portuguese:
    minha pesquisa é sobre as evidências do caso contra Oswald

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  • From Gil Jesus@21:1/5 to Bud on Wed Aug 30 04:43:12 2023
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 7:32:31 AM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 7:27:08 AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 7:22:03 AM UTC-4, Hank Sienzant wrote:
    But CTs argue Oswald couldn’t do this, no way, no how, not with his war-surplus weapon and not with his rusty skill set. That’s another nonsense argument. We saw SkyThrone trot out those two arguments above once the clip argument recently re-
    introduced by Ben was demolished. And he apparently is going to attempt to ride those dead horses.
    Ben didn't post a "clip argument".
    He posted that the Warren Commission lied when it published a citation that didn't exist.
    Hank addressed that. Try to keep up, Gil.
    And it did do that several times in its Report.
    Try to keep up, Hank.

    Then why is he making false statements, about a "clip argument recently re-introduced by Ben" being "demolished" ?
    Ben made no such argument about the clip's presence.
    Just another lie, attibuting something to someone that you KNOW is false.

    Talking about keeping up, have you found that 41 inch gunsack yet ?
    <snicker>

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  • From Sky Throne 19efppp@21:1/5 to Hank Sienzant on Wed Aug 30 04:41:17 2023
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 7:22:03 AM UTC-4, Hank Sienzant wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 6:46:54 AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 6:41:35 AM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 6:28:53 AM UTC-4, Hank Sienzant wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 6:15:03 AM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 5:54:31 AM UTC-4, Hank Sienzant wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 5:35:22 AM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 5:20:48 AM UTC-4, Hank Sienzant wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 2:41:18 PM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 2:22:46 PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 2:01:19 PM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 1:57:12 PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 12:47:24 PM UTC-5, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 1:42:06 PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 12:25:03 PM UTC-5, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 12:49:43 PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 11:19:44 AM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    https://postimg.cc/ZB3YG9jz

    Yes, it is the frame of a film, but that still is a photograph.

    Maybe it's there. I don't know. But Hank has asserted that the clip can be seen in a photo of Lt. Day leaving the building https://www.jfk-assassination.net/images/day_clip.gif. I see that. But, to me, it looks like it
    is not there when Day first examines the rifle https://postimg.cc/ZB3YG9jz. Maybe it is, but I don't see it. Why can't Hank, who sees the clip when Day is walking out, say that he sees it when Day is examining the rifle? If it's there, tell me it's there.
    Maybe it is. I don't know.
    You're right that you can't see it, but it still could be there.

    In this video, notice that although the clip is in the rifle, it is not visible in the ejection port at the bottom of the weapon.

    https://youtu.be/eD9PRba_wAk

    Well, that's all Hank had to do. Pity he's not as clever as you. Yes, at least from that angle, the clip cannot be seen until it falls out. And it falls out when the last cartridge is chambered, before it is fired. So, if it
    was working properly, then it should have fallen out by the window. But the gun is an old piece of crap, so maybe it stayed put...until Day carried it out of the building and then it peaked out a bit. That must be Hank's explanation, I imagine. Amazing
    such a shitty old gun in the hands of a mediocre marksman could accomplish what trained experts with the thing fixed up couldn't.
    Shit happens, hence the shit-eating grin on your boy Oswald's face as he raised his clenched fists in the Commie solidarity salute while cuffed and under arrest. Look at that smirk. Here's a man proud of his work that day:


    https://www.columbiamissourian.com/visuals/photos/lee-harvey-oswald-holds-up-his-manacled-hands/image_c5a86702-bb51-11e7-8585-abef03615d45.html

    Don't be silly. Oswald scored his hit from behind the picket fence.
    He wasn't getting a soda when the shooting happened or something like that?
    No. I think he was JC Price's Running Man, the guy Price saw run from the picket fence to behind the TSBD. Plenty of time for Oswald to get up to the 2nd floor before Baker and Truly, and even before Vickie Adams came down.
    These are the kind of conclusions one reaches when they substitute imagination for evidence.
    This is the kind of grammar used by senile "conservative" morons.
    You are just upset at Gil for exposing your nonsense, and now you’re taking it out on John.I.

    So we’re done with the clip nonsense and you won’t be asking about again?

    And Ben will concede that clip issue with a ‘mea colpa’ and likewise never argue again that the clip wasn’t in the rifle?

    One silly conspiracy argument dead and buried.

    But let’s see how long it takes until a conspiracy theorist resurrects it.
    You're just upset that Gil can explain something that you can't.
    Not at all. That is exactly what I was arguing in favor of, and he did establish my argument with a YouTube video.

    So I therefore thank Gil for posting that and helping to bury one hoary conspiracy argument.

    Let’s see how long it stays buried before some CT resurrects it (most likely Ben).
    You're just upset that Gil was able to explain what you were allegedly trying to explain, but could not articulate, being too occupied with being the obnoxious dick you always are.
    And there you go again, resorting to ad hominem because your argument fell apart once more (and irony of ironies, it was a fellow CT that helped expose it).
    Everybody knows you're an obnoxious dick, while at the same time criticizing the ad hominems of others. Now you're just throwing up a smokescreen to hide that fact that you're upset over Gil's superiority in explaining stuff. It's kind of cute,
    actually, or would be if you were 2 years old.
    Your frustration is showing.
    All he can do, having admitted the six-decade CT clip argument is nonsense, is attack the messenger.

    It’s either that, or start to re-examine some other six-decade old CT arguments and see if they are likewise nonsense… like whether Oswald’s weapon was as accurate as then-modern military weapons, and whether Oswald, who trained in the Marines
    shooting at targets 200 and 500 yards away, could make one of three shots fired a kill shot at 86 yards (the longest shot in the Commission’s scenario). Those are two issues he deflected to upon conceding the clip argument.

    Never mind the argument that the evidence establishes Oswald did accomplish the shooting, so arguing he couldn’t because of his poor skills or an inadequate weapon is foolish. It’s akin to arguing that steel is heavier than water and sinks, so
    boats made of steel can’t float, and ignoring the evidence indicating they can.

    The weapon fired bullets traveling at about 2200 feet per second, and they obeyed the same Newtonian laws as all other bullets, they travel in a straight line unless acted upon by an outside force. In this case, the two outside forces are air
    resistance and gravity. Air resistance slows the bullet and gravity pulls it toward the earth. What therefore absolutely prevented Oswald from using his rusty Marine skills, firing three shots, and making one kill shot? Nothing.

    But CTs argue Oswald couldn’t do this, no way, no how, not with his war-surplus weapon and not with his rusty skill set. That’s another nonsense argument. We saw SkyThrone trot out those two arguments above once the clip argument recently re-
    introduced by Ben was demolished. And he apparently is going to attempt to ride those dead horses.

    Either that, or call me more names. What recourse does he have?

    You're just upset that Gil is smarter than you, waaaaaay smarter.

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  • From Hank Sienzant@21:1/5 to John Corbett on Wed Aug 30 04:22:01 2023
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 6:46:54 AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 6:41:35 AM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 6:28:53 AM UTC-4, Hank Sienzant wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 6:15:03 AM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 5:54:31 AM UTC-4, Hank Sienzant wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 5:35:22 AM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 5:20:48 AM UTC-4, Hank Sienzant wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 2:41:18 PM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 2:22:46 PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 2:01:19 PM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 1:57:12 PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 12:47:24 PM UTC-5, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 1:42:06 PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 12:25:03 PM UTC-5, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 12:49:43 PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 11:19:44 AM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    https://postimg.cc/ZB3YG9jz

    Yes, it is the frame of a film, but that still is a photograph.

    Maybe it's there. I don't know. But Hank has asserted that the clip can be seen in a photo of Lt. Day leaving the building https://www.jfk-assassination.net/images/day_clip.gif. I see that. But, to me, it looks like it is
    not there when Day first examines the rifle https://postimg.cc/ZB3YG9jz. Maybe it is, but I don't see it. Why can't Hank, who sees the clip when Day is walking out, say that he sees it when Day is examining the rifle? If it's there, tell me it's there.
    Maybe it is. I don't know.
    You're right that you can't see it, but it still could be there.

    In this video, notice that although the clip is in the rifle, it is not visible in the ejection port at the bottom of the weapon.

    https://youtu.be/eD9PRba_wAk

    Well, that's all Hank had to do. Pity he's not as clever as you. Yes, at least from that angle, the clip cannot be seen until it falls out. And it falls out when the last cartridge is chambered, before it is fired. So, if it
    was working properly, then it should have fallen out by the window. But the gun is an old piece of crap, so maybe it stayed put...until Day carried it out of the building and then it peaked out a bit. That must be Hank's explanation, I imagine. Amazing
    such a shitty old gun in the hands of a mediocre marksman could accomplish what trained experts with the thing fixed up couldn't.
    Shit happens, hence the shit-eating grin on your boy Oswald's face as he raised his clenched fists in the Commie solidarity salute while cuffed and under arrest. Look at that smirk. Here's a man proud of his work that day:


    https://www.columbiamissourian.com/visuals/photos/lee-harvey-oswald-holds-up-his-manacled-hands/image_c5a86702-bb51-11e7-8585-abef03615d45.html

    Don't be silly. Oswald scored his hit from behind the picket fence.
    He wasn't getting a soda when the shooting happened or something like that?
    No. I think he was JC Price's Running Man, the guy Price saw run from the picket fence to behind the TSBD. Plenty of time for Oswald to get up to the 2nd floor before Baker and Truly, and even before Vickie Adams came down.
    These are the kind of conclusions one reaches when they substitute imagination for evidence.
    This is the kind of grammar used by senile "conservative" morons.
    You are just upset at Gil for exposing your nonsense, and now you’re taking it out on John.I.

    So we’re done with the clip nonsense and you won’t be asking about again?

    And Ben will concede that clip issue with a ‘mea colpa’ and likewise never argue again that the clip wasn’t in the rifle?

    One silly conspiracy argument dead and buried.

    But let’s see how long it takes until a conspiracy theorist resurrects it.
    You're just upset that Gil can explain something that you can't.
    Not at all. That is exactly what I was arguing in favor of, and he did establish my argument with a YouTube video.

    So I therefore thank Gil for posting that and helping to bury one hoary conspiracy argument.

    Let’s see how long it stays buried before some CT resurrects it (most likely Ben).
    You're just upset that Gil was able to explain what you were allegedly trying to explain, but could not articulate, being too occupied with being the obnoxious dick you always are.
    And there you go again, resorting to ad hominem because your argument fell apart once more (and irony of ironies, it was a fellow CT that helped expose it).
    Everybody knows you're an obnoxious dick, while at the same time criticizing the ad hominems of others. Now you're just throwing up a smokescreen to hide that fact that you're upset over Gil's superiority in explaining stuff. It's kind of cute,
    actually, or would be if you were 2 years old.
    Your frustration is showing.

    All he can do, having admitted the six-decade CT clip argument is nonsense, is attack the messenger.

    It’s either that, or start to re-examine some other six-decade old CT arguments and see if they are likewise nonsense… like whether Oswald’s weapon was as accurate as then-modern military weapons, and whether Oswald, who trained in the Marines
    shooting at targets 200 and 500 yards away, could make one of three shots fired a kill shot at 86 yards (the longest shot in the Commission’s scenario). Those are two issues he deflected to upon conceding the clip argument.

    Never mind the argument that the evidence establishes Oswald did accomplish the shooting, so arguing he couldn’t because of his poor skills or an inadequate weapon is foolish. It’s akin to arguing that steel is heavier than water and sinks, so boats
    made of steel can’t float, and ignoring the evidence indicating they can.

    The weapon fired bullets traveling at about 2200 feet per second, and they obeyed the same Newtonian laws as all other bullets, they travel in a straight line unless acted upon by an outside force. In this case, the two outside forces are air resistance
    and gravity. Air resistance slows the bullet and gravity pulls it toward the earth. What therefore absolutely prevented Oswald from using his rusty Marine skills, firing three shots, and making one kill shot? Nothing.

    But CTs argue Oswald couldn’t do this, no way, no how, not with his war-surplus weapon and not with his rusty skill set. That’s another nonsense argument. We saw SkyThrone trot out those two arguments above once the clip argument recently re-
    introduced by Ben was demolished. And he apparently is going to attempt to ride those dead horses.

    Either that, or call me more names. What recourse does he have?

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  • From Gil Jesus@21:1/5 to All on Wed Aug 30 04:46:13 2023
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 7:41:19 AM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    You're just upset that Gil is smarter than you, waaaaaay smarter.

    Thank you but you're giving me way too much credit.
    Its not hard being smarter than those with an IQ in the single digits.

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  • From Sky Throne 19efppp@21:1/5 to Hank Sienzant on Wed Aug 30 04:58:48 2023
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 7:50:26 AM UTC-4, Hank Sienzant wrote:

    I don't believe Sky Throne ever said there was no clip in the rifle.
    Of course not. CTs rarely lay out an argument and attempt to support it with evidence. They snipe around the edges, playing “just asking questions”. We are both adult enough to recognize that.
    You're just upset because you're a paranoid case without a conspiracy theory!

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  • From Hank Sienzant@21:1/5 to Gil Jesus on Wed Aug 30 04:57:53 2023
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 7:46:15 AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 7:41:19 AM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    You're just upset that Gil is smarter than you, waaaaaay smarter.
    Thank you but you're giving me way too much credit.
    Its not hard being smarter than those with an IQ in the single digits.

    And Gil likewise resorts to ad hominem.

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  • From Hank Sienzant@21:1/5 to Gil Jesus on Wed Aug 30 04:50:24 2023
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 7:02:38 AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 6:28:53 AM UTC-4, Hank Sienzant wrote:
    it was a fellow CT that helped expose it
    I'm not a conspiracy theorist, Hank.

    The pot denies he’s black. Even the tea kettle can see otherwise.


    Conspiracy theorists see conspiracies everywhere. I don't.
    I consider myself a Warren Commission critic.

    By their deeds shall you know them.
    Your argument recently was the bullets were CIA ammo. You weren’t arguing for a conspiracy there?
    If not, what exactly were you arguing for?


    I don't believe Sky Throne ever said there was no clip in the rifle.

    Of course not. CTs rarely lay out an argument and attempt to support it with evidence. They snipe around the edges, playing “just asking questions”. We are both adult enough to recognize that.
    Sky Throne did exactly that here: https://groups.google.com/g/alt.conspiracy.jfk/c/4-nD2oIxfg8/m/RGLu7IqwAQAJ


    He was asking why the clip was not visible in the ejection port.

    As a means to suggest it wasn’t in the weapon during the shooting, therefore Oswald couldn’t accomplish what the Commission said he did. We both know where that argument was heading, trodding the same well-worn path.



    The video showed that it was possible for the clip to be in the rifle and at the same time not be visible in the port.

    Which was exactly my point, and what I was telling Sky Throne he needed to establish the converse of for his argument to go anywhere… he needed to show it would be visible. He never did.


    I posted it for Sky Throne's benefit, so he wouldn't be taken down some never ending rabbit hole.

    A rabbit hole of CT’s creation… as Ben pointed out in his original thread…
    https://groups.google.com/g/alt.conspiracy.jfk/c/4-nD2oIxfg8/m/T02VahYBAQAJ …Sylvia Meagher was arguing for the supposed clip mystery six decades ago. It took that long to get ONE conspiracy theorist to concede the argument. How long do you think it will be for the other CTs to fall in line?


    I didn't post it to put him down.

    Nobody suggested you did. But by bringing that up, you’re suggesting that was the end result.

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  • From Steven Galbraith@21:1/5 to Hank Sienzant on Wed Aug 30 06:39:45 2023
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 7:50:26 AM UTC-4, Hank Sienzant wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 7:02:38 AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 6:28:53 AM UTC-4, Hank Sienzant wrote:
    it was a fellow CT that helped expose it
    I'm not a conspiracy theorist, Hank.
    The pot denies he’s black. Even the tea kettle can see otherwise.
    Conspiracy theorists see conspiracies everywhere. I don't.
    I consider myself a Warren Commission critic.
    By their deeds shall you know them.
    Your argument recently was the bullets were CIA ammo. You weren’t arguing for a conspiracy there?
    If not, what exactly were you arguing for?

    I don't believe Sky Throne ever said there was no clip in the rifle.
    Of course not. CTs rarely lay out an argument and attempt to support it with evidence. They snipe around the edges, playing “just asking questions”. We are both adult enough to recognize that.
    Sky Throne did exactly that here: https://groups.google.com/g/alt.conspiracy.jfk/c/4-nD2oIxfg8/m/RGLu7IqwAQAJ
    He was asking why the clip was not visible in the ejection port.
    As a means to suggest it wasn’t in the weapon during the shooting, therefore Oswald couldn’t accomplish what the Commission said he did. We both know where that argument was heading, trodding the same well-worn path.

    The video showed that it was possible for the clip to be in the rifle and at the same time not be visible in the port.
    Which was exactly my point, and what I was telling Sky Throne he needed to establish the converse of for his argument to go anywhere… he needed to show it would be visible. He never did.
    I posted it for Sky Throne's benefit, so he wouldn't be taken down some never ending rabbit hole.
    A rabbit hole of CT’s creation… as Ben pointed out in his original thread…
    https://groups.google.com/g/alt.conspiracy.jfk/c/4-nD2oIxfg8/m/T02VahYBAQAJ …Sylvia Meagher was arguing for the supposed clip mystery six decades ago. It took that long to get ONE conspiracy theorist to concede the argument. How long do you think it will be for the other CTs to fall in line?
    I didn't post it to put him down.
    Nobody suggested you did. But by bringing that up, you’re suggesting that was the end result.
    He's stated here before that the Birchers in Dallas killed JFK, that they were allowed to do so by the militarists in Washington in order to prevent JFK from ending their Cold War policies. People like Earl Warren (!!?) and others knew ahead of time that
    this was going to happen. Some of them, like members of the Secret Service, changed their protection procedures to make it happen. He later stated that "the Russians got it right" in their *investigation* (using that word loosely) that concluded the CIA
    was behind the assassination. More recently he said anti-Castro Cubans were behind the murder.
    So, after making three different claims about who was behind the assassination he says here that "I am not a conspiracy theorist."

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  • From John Corbett@21:1/5 to Gil Jesus on Wed Aug 30 07:32:55 2023
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 7:38:52 AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 7:17:04 AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:

    The Warren Commission found that Oswald alone killed JFK. If you disagree with that finding,
    you have two other options. Some other lone assassin killed JFK or there was a conspiracy.
    Which when do you believe?
    Oh Boy another comment from the King of our resident mental-midgets.
    This time he has a question, and one I've already answered quite a few times.

    Maybe I should type it slower, so it can penetrate his cement head.

    MY-RESEARCH-IS-ON-THE-EVIDENCE-IN-THE-CASE-AGAINST-OSWALD.

    Maybe you don't understand English. In that case, here it is:

    In Spanish:
    Mi investigación es sobre las pruebas en el caso contra Oswald.

    In French:
    mes recherches portent sur les preuves dans l'affaire contre Oswald

    In German:
    Meine Recherchen beziehen sich auf die Beweise im Fall gegen Oswald

    In Russian:
    мое исследование посвящено доказательствам по делу против Освальда

    In Portuguese:
    minha pesquisa é sobre as evidências do caso contra Oswald

    What's the point of researching the evidence if you aren't going to follow it to a logical
    conclusion? Is researching the evidence just a hobby for you like stamp collecting with no
    real purpose?

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  • From John Corbett@21:1/5 to Steven Galbraith on Wed Aug 30 07:34:24 2023
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 9:39:47 AM UTC-4, Steven Galbraith wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 7:50:26 AM UTC-4, Hank Sienzant wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 7:02:38 AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 6:28:53 AM UTC-4, Hank Sienzant wrote:
    it was a fellow CT that helped expose it
    I'm not a conspiracy theorist, Hank.
    The pot denies he’s black. Even the tea kettle can see otherwise.
    Conspiracy theorists see conspiracies everywhere. I don't.
    I consider myself a Warren Commission critic.
    By their deeds shall you know them.
    Your argument recently was the bullets were CIA ammo. You weren’t arguing for a conspiracy there?
    If not, what exactly were you arguing for?

    I don't believe Sky Throne ever said there was no clip in the rifle.
    Of course not. CTs rarely lay out an argument and attempt to support it with evidence. They snipe around the edges, playing “just asking questions”. We are both adult enough to recognize that.
    Sky Throne did exactly that here: https://groups.google.com/g/alt.conspiracy.jfk/c/4-nD2oIxfg8/m/RGLu7IqwAQAJ
    He was asking why the clip was not visible in the ejection port.
    As a means to suggest it wasn’t in the weapon during the shooting, therefore Oswald couldn’t accomplish what the Commission said he did. We both know where that argument was heading, trodding the same well-worn path.

    The video showed that it was possible for the clip to be in the rifle and at the same time not be visible in the port.
    Which was exactly my point, and what I was telling Sky Throne he needed to establish the converse of for his argument to go anywhere… he needed to show it would be visible. He never did.
    I posted it for Sky Throne's benefit, so he wouldn't be taken down some never ending rabbit hole.
    A rabbit hole of CT’s creation… as Ben pointed out in his original thread…
    https://groups.google.com/g/alt.conspiracy.jfk/c/4-nD2oIxfg8/m/T02VahYBAQAJ
    …Sylvia Meagher was arguing for the supposed clip mystery six decades ago. It took that long to get ONE conspiracy theorist to concede the argument. How long do you think it will be for the other CTs to fall in line?
    I didn't post it to put him down.
    Nobody suggested you did. But by bringing that up, you’re suggesting that was the end result.
    He's stated here before that the Birchers in Dallas killed JFK, that they were allowed to do so by the militarists in Washington in order to prevent JFK from ending their Cold War policies. People like Earl Warren (!!?) and others knew ahead of time
    that this was going to happen. Some of them, like members of the Secret Service, changed their protection procedures to make it happen. He later stated that "the Russians got it right" in their *investigation* (using that word loosely) that concluded the
    CIA was behind the assassination. More recently he said anti-Castro Cubans were behind the murder.
    So, after making three different claims about who was behind the assassination he says here that "I am not a conspiracy theorist."

    Well at least that's good to know.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to All on Wed Aug 30 07:54:43 2023
    On Mon, 28 Aug 2023 14:48:26 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirslick@fast.net>
    wrote:


    So, according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval" shape that was
    "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

    Chickenshit is TERRIFIED of this simple honest question. He knows
    that Bugliosi was a moron if he truly thought this... yet you can't
    get Chickenshit to publicly acknowledge that Bugliosi said this.

    It's a simple "Yes" or "No" question, and Chickenshit cannot cite
    where he has EVER answered it. (Without immediately denying it.)

    So it's going to keep getting asked until Chickenshit answers it.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to chuckschuyler123@gmail.com on Wed Aug 30 07:54:43 2023
    On Mon, 28 Aug 2023 13:05:43 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler <chuckschuyler123@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 2:44:39?PM UTC-5, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 2:22:46?PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:

    These are the kind of conclusions one reaches when they substitute imagination for evidence.

    And you should know because you always use evidence, right ?

    Your Team Oswald co-member Sky Throne believes Oswald fired a shot from the grassy knoll and hustled back inside the TSBD, unseen, in time for his Baker and Truly encounter. Why don't you "school" him?

    This *is* what you have to believe in order to account for the
    evidence.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to geowright1963@gmail.com on Wed Aug 30 07:54:43 2023
    On Mon, 28 Aug 2023 14:17:07 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett <geowright1963@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 3:44:39?PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 2:22:46?PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    These are the kind of conclusions one reaches when they substitute imagination for evidence.
    And you should know because you always use evidence, right ?

    Everything I believe about the assassination is supported by real, hard evidence.

    No it isn't.

    You continually REFUSE to cite this alleged "real, hard evidence."

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to hsienzant@aol.com on Wed Aug 30 07:54:43 2023
    On Wed, 30 Aug 2023 04:22:01 -0700 (PDT), Hank Sienzant
    <hsienzant@aol.com> wrote:


    All he can do, having admitted the six-decade CT clip argument is nonsense, is attack the messenger.

    Au contraire... you've not addressed the topic at all.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to geowright1963@gmail.com on Wed Aug 30 07:56:16 2023
    On Wed, 30 Aug 2023 07:32:55 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett <geowright1963@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 7:38:52?AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 7:17:04?AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:

    The Warren Commission found that Oswald alone killed JFK. If you disagree with that finding,
    you have two other options. Some other lone assassin killed JFK or there was a conspiracy.
    Which when do you believe?
    Oh Boy another comment from the King of our resident mental-midgets.
    This time he has a question, and one I've already answered quite a few times.

    Maybe I should type it slower, so it can penetrate his cement head.

    MY-RESEARCH-IS-ON-THE-EVIDENCE-IN-THE-CASE-AGAINST-OSWALD.

    Maybe you don't understand English. In that case, here it is:

    In Spanish:
    Mi investigacin es sobre las pruebas en el caso contra Oswald.

    In French:
    mes recherches portent sur les preuves dans l'affaire contre Oswald

    In German:
    Meine Recherchen beziehen sich auf die Beweise im Fall gegen Oswald

    In Russian:
    ??? ???????????? ????????? ??????????????? ?? ???? ?????? ????????

    In Portuguese:
    minha pesquisa sobre as evidncias do caso contra Oswald

    What's the point of researching the evidence if you aren't going to follow it to a logical
    conclusion? Is researching the evidence just a hobby for you like stamp collecting with no
    real purpose?

    Clearly, you believe that the evidence is something to run from, deny,
    and lie about.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to stevemgalbraith@yahoo.com on Wed Aug 30 07:57:37 2023
    On Wed, 30 Aug 2023 06:39:45 -0700 (PDT), Steven Galbraith <stevemgalbraith@yahoo.com> wrote:

    So, after making three different claims about who was behind the assassination he says here that "I am not a conspiracy theorist."


    Says the coward who refuses to post a scenario and cite the evidence
    supporting it.

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  • From Steven Galbraith@21:1/5 to John Corbett on Wed Aug 30 08:09:17 2023
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 10:34:26 AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 9:39:47 AM UTC-4, Steven Galbraith wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 7:50:26 AM UTC-4, Hank Sienzant wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 7:02:38 AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 6:28:53 AM UTC-4, Hank Sienzant wrote:
    it was a fellow CT that helped expose it
    I'm not a conspiracy theorist, Hank.
    The pot denies he’s black. Even the tea kettle can see otherwise.
    Conspiracy theorists see conspiracies everywhere. I don't.
    I consider myself a Warren Commission critic.
    By their deeds shall you know them.
    Your argument recently was the bullets were CIA ammo. You weren’t arguing for a conspiracy there?
    If not, what exactly were you arguing for?

    I don't believe Sky Throne ever said there was no clip in the rifle.
    Of course not. CTs rarely lay out an argument and attempt to support it with evidence. They snipe around the edges, playing “just asking questions”. We are both adult enough to recognize that.
    Sky Throne did exactly that here: https://groups.google.com/g/alt.conspiracy.jfk/c/4-nD2oIxfg8/m/RGLu7IqwAQAJ
    He was asking why the clip was not visible in the ejection port.
    As a means to suggest it wasn’t in the weapon during the shooting, therefore Oswald couldn’t accomplish what the Commission said he did. We both know where that argument was heading, trodding the same well-worn path.

    The video showed that it was possible for the clip to be in the rifle and at the same time not be visible in the port.
    Which was exactly my point, and what I was telling Sky Throne he needed to establish the converse of for his argument to go anywhere… he needed to show it would be visible. He never did.
    I posted it for Sky Throne's benefit, so he wouldn't be taken down some never ending rabbit hole.
    A rabbit hole of CT’s creation… as Ben pointed out in his original thread…
    https://groups.google.com/g/alt.conspiracy.jfk/c/4-nD2oIxfg8/m/T02VahYBAQAJ
    …Sylvia Meagher was arguing for the supposed clip mystery six decades ago. It took that long to get ONE conspiracy theorist to concede the argument. How long do you think it will be for the other CTs to fall in line?
    I didn't post it to put him down.
    Nobody suggested you did. But by bringing that up, you’re suggesting that was the end result.
    He's stated here before that the Birchers in Dallas killed JFK, that they were allowed to do so by the militarists in Washington in order to prevent JFK from ending their Cold War policies. People like Earl Warren (!!?) and others knew ahead of time
    that this was going to happen. Some of them, like members of the Secret Service, changed their protection procedures to make it happen. He later stated that "the Russians got it right" in their *investigation* (using that word loosely) that concluded the
    CIA was behind the assassination. More recently he said anti-Castro Cubans were behind the murder.
    So, after making three different claims about who was behind the assassination he says here that "I am not a conspiracy theorist."
    Well at least that's good to know.
    In his defense (this is pro bono work), I guess it's true that he doesn't have "a" conspiracy theory. He has *three* theories not one (at least). He's a conspiracies theorist.

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  • From John Corbett@21:1/5 to Steven Galbraith on Wed Aug 30 08:41:43 2023
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 11:09:19 AM UTC-4, Steven Galbraith wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 10:34:26 AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 9:39:47 AM UTC-4, Steven Galbraith wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 7:50:26 AM UTC-4, Hank Sienzant wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 7:02:38 AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 6:28:53 AM UTC-4, Hank Sienzant wrote:
    it was a fellow CT that helped expose it
    I'm not a conspiracy theorist, Hank.
    The pot denies he’s black. Even the tea kettle can see otherwise.
    Conspiracy theorists see conspiracies everywhere. I don't.
    I consider myself a Warren Commission critic.
    By their deeds shall you know them.
    Your argument recently was the bullets were CIA ammo. You weren’t arguing for a conspiracy there?
    If not, what exactly were you arguing for?

    I don't believe Sky Throne ever said there was no clip in the rifle.
    Of course not. CTs rarely lay out an argument and attempt to support it with evidence. They snipe around the edges, playing “just asking questions”. We are both adult enough to recognize that.
    Sky Throne did exactly that here: https://groups.google.com/g/alt.conspiracy.jfk/c/4-nD2oIxfg8/m/RGLu7IqwAQAJ
    He was asking why the clip was not visible in the ejection port.
    As a means to suggest it wasn’t in the weapon during the shooting, therefore Oswald couldn’t accomplish what the Commission said he did. We both know where that argument was heading, trodding the same well-worn path.

    The video showed that it was possible for the clip to be in the rifle and at the same time not be visible in the port.
    Which was exactly my point, and what I was telling Sky Throne he needed to establish the converse of for his argument to go anywhere… he needed to show it would be visible. He never did.
    I posted it for Sky Throne's benefit, so he wouldn't be taken down some never ending rabbit hole.
    A rabbit hole of CT’s creation… as Ben pointed out in his original thread…
    https://groups.google.com/g/alt.conspiracy.jfk/c/4-nD2oIxfg8/m/T02VahYBAQAJ
    …Sylvia Meagher was arguing for the supposed clip mystery six decades ago. It took that long to get ONE conspiracy theorist to concede the argument. How long do you think it will be for the other CTs to fall in line?
    I didn't post it to put him down.
    Nobody suggested you did. But by bringing that up, you’re suggesting that was the end result.
    He's stated here before that the Birchers in Dallas killed JFK, that they were allowed to do so by the militarists in Washington in order to prevent JFK from ending their Cold War policies. People like Earl Warren (!!?) and others knew ahead of
    time that this was going to happen. Some of them, like members of the Secret Service, changed their protection procedures to make it happen. He later stated that "the Russians got it right" in their *investigation* (using that word loosely) that
    concluded the CIA was behind the assassination. More recently he said anti-Castro Cubans were behind the murder.
    So, after making three different claims about who was behind the assassination he says here that "I am not a conspiracy theorist."
    Well at least that's good to know.
    In his defense (this is pro bono work), I guess it's true that he doesn't have "a" conspiracy theory. He has *three* theories not one (at least). He's a conspiracies theorist.

    I'm glad he's working pro bono because he would have a hard time collecting a fee.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to stevemgalbraith@yahoo.com on Wed Aug 30 09:48:09 2023
    On Wed, 30 Aug 2023 08:09:17 -0700 (PDT), Steven Galbraith <stevemgalbraith@yahoo.com> wrote:

    In his defense (this is pro bono work), I guess it's true that he doesn't have "a" conspiracy theory. He has *three* theories not one (at least). He's a conspiracies theorist.

    For somone terrified of stating the scenario he believes, this is
    quite ironic indeed.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to All on Wed Aug 30 09:48:30 2023
    On Wed, 30 Aug 2023 08:41:43 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett <geowright1963@gmail.com> wrote:

    Logical fallacy deleted.

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  • From Sky Throne 19efppp@21:1/5 to All on Wed Aug 30 10:51:45 2023
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 11:19:44 AM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    https://postimg.cc/ZB3YG9jz

    Yes, it is the frame of a film, but that still is a photograph.

    Maybe it's there. I don't know. But Hank has asserted that the clip can be seen in a photo of Lt. Day leaving the building https://www.jfk-assassination.net/images/day_clip.gif. I see that. But, to me, it looks like it is not there when Day first
    examines the rifle https://postimg.cc/ZB3YG9jz. Maybe it is, but I don't see it. Why can't Hank, who sees the clip when Day is walking out, say that he sees it when Day is examining the rifle? If it's there, tell me it's there. Maybe it is. I don't know.

    I think the clip probably is in the gun when Lt. Day handles it. https://postimg.cc/8Jdq7r3L Fortunately, Hank is such an obnoxious prick that I don't owe him any apology. But thanks to Gil and other photography I've been looking at, I'm fairly confident
    that the clip is in there.

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  • From Hank Sienzant@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Wed Aug 30 11:50:21 2023
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 10:55:10 AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Wed, 30 Aug 2023 04:57:53 -0700 (PDT), Hank Sienzant
    <hsie...@aol.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 7:46:15?AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 7:41:19?AM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    You're just upset that Gil is smarter than you, waaaaaay smarter.
    Thank you but you're giving me way too much credit.
    Its not hard being smarter than those with an IQ in the single digits.

    And Gil likewise resorts to ad hominem.
    Tell us a lie, Huckster, and complain that you never use logical fallacies...

    Ben resorts to ad hominem - a logical fallacy - instead of discussing the rifle clip.

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  • From Hank Sienzant@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Wed Aug 30 11:51:00 2023
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 10:56:21 AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Mon, 28 Aug 2023 14:25:13 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:


    So, according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval" shape that was
    "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

    Chickenshit is TERRIFIED of this simple honest question. He knows
    that Bugliosi was a moron if he truly thought this... yet you can't
    get Chickenshit to publicly acknowledge that Bugliosi said this.

    It's a simple "Yes" or "No" question, and Chickenshit cannot cite
    where he has EVER answered it. (Without immediately denying it.)

    So it's going to keep getting asked until Chickenshit answers it.

    Ben changes the subject rather than discuss the rifle clip.

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  • From Hank Sienzant@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Wed Aug 30 11:52:22 2023
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 10:56:23 AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Mon, 28 Aug 2023 10:42:04 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler <chucksch...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 12:25:03?PM UTC-5, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote: >> On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 12:49:43?PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 11:19:44?AM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    https://postimg.cc/ZB3YG9jz

    Yes, it is the frame of a film, but that still is a photograph.

    Maybe it's there. I don't know. But Hank has asserted that the clip can be seen in a photo of Lt. Day leaving the building https://www.jfk-assassination.net/images/day_clip.gif. I see that. But, to me, it looks like it is not there when Day first
    examines the rifle https://postimg.cc/ZB3YG9jz. Maybe it is, but I don't see it. Why can't Hank, who sees the clip when Day is walking out, say that he sees it when Day is examining the rifle? If it's there, tell me it's there. Maybe it is. I don't know.
    You're right that you can't see it, but it still could be there.

    In this video, notice that although the clip is in the rifle, it is not visible in the ejection port at the bottom of the weapon.

    https://youtu.be/eD9PRba_wAk

    Well, that's all Hank had to do. Pity he's not as clever as you. Yes, at least from that angle, the clip cannot be seen until it falls out. And it falls out when the last cartridge is chambered, before it is fired. So, if it was working properly,
    then it should have fallen out by the window. But the gun is an old piece of crap, so maybe it stayed put...until Day carried it out of the building and then it peaked out a bit. That must be Hank's explanation, I imagine. Amazing such a shitty old gun
    in the hands of a mediocre marksman could accomplish what trained experts with the thing fixed up couldn't.
    Logical fallacy deleted.

    Ben deletes the points made rather than discuss the clip.

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  • From Hank Sienzant@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Wed Aug 30 11:57:19 2023
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 10:56:29 AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Wed, 30 Aug 2023 04:50:24 -0700 (PDT), Hank Sienzant
    <hsie...@aol.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 7:02:38?AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 6:28:53?AM UTC-4, Hank Sienzant wrote: >> > it was a fellow CT that helped expose it
    I'm not a conspiracy theorist, Hank.

    The pot denies he’s black. Even the tea kettle can see otherwise.
    Lie, Huckster, and claim you aren't using ad hominem...

    You don't think Gil's a conspiracy theorist? I do.

    There are two sides in this debate. The Lone Nutters and the Loons (to resurrect terminology from the early 1990s on Prodigy). The Loons are now called conspiracy theorists. Gil certainly appears to be on that side, as he is constantly posting about how
    Oswald could not have done it.

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  • From Hank Sienzant@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Wed Aug 30 11:58:46 2023
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 10:56:44 AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Mon, 28 Aug 2023 13:05:43 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler <chucksch...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 2:44:39?PM UTC-5, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 2:22:46?PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:

    These are the kind of conclusions one reaches when they substitute imagination for evidence.

    And you should know because you always use evidence, right ?

    Your Team Oswald co-member Sky Throne believes Oswald fired a shot from the grassy knoll and hustled back inside the TSBD, unseen, in time for his Baker and Truly encounter. Why don't you "school" him?

    This *is* what you have to believe in order to account for the
    evidence.

    Cite that evidence. We both know you won't, of course.

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  • From Hank Sienzant@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Wed Aug 30 12:04:55 2023
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 10:56:47 AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Wed, 30 Aug 2023 02:20:46 -0700 (PDT), Hank Sienzant
    <hsie...@aol.com> wrote:


    And Ben will concede ...

    You still haven't conceded that the WCR used two fake cites to support
    their "clip." You've not conceded that the one photo *YOU* cited is
    hardly definitive, and in fact, doesn't make sense. What's holding
    the "clip" in place in that photo???

    No, I feel no need to "concede" anything -

    Yeah, that's exactly what I said:
    "You are just upset at Gil for exposing your nonsense, and now you’re taking it out on John. So we’re done with the clip nonsense and you won’t be asking about again? And Ben will concede that clip issue with a ‘mea colpa’ [culpa] and likewise
    never argue again that the clip wasn’t in the rifle? One silly conspiracy argument dead and buried. But let’s see how long it takes until a conspiracy theorist resurrects it."

    You're denying it was dead and buried. The clip arguments never were legitimate and never made a lick of sense. 60 years later, they still don't.


    as you've not proven a
    thing - other than finding *one* citation that the WC could have used.

    Ben has to delete and ignore the points made.

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  • From Hank Sienzant@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Wed Aug 30 12:08:59 2023
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 10:57:02 AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Wed, 30 Aug 2023 04:57:03 -0700 (PDT), Hank Sienzant
    <hsie...@aol.com> wrote:


    Ben said this: >https://groups.google.com/g/alt.conspiracy.jfk/c/4-nD2oIxfg8/m/T02VahYBAQAJ >“There are many more problems with this alleged clip - but it would
    take a separate post to detail. See Silvia Meagher's Accessories After
    the Fact for one discussion of the problems of evidence for this clip.” Indeed. And like the coward you are, you've not addressed this at
    all.

    False. I pointed out the photographs showing Day with the rifle, showing the clip. Photos that Meagher and other critics should have been aware of yet failed to mention in their arguments that there's no first-day evidence for the clip.



    But let's get back to the original topic.

    CAN YOU PUBLICLY ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THE WC CLAMED TWO INDEPENDENT CITATIONS/SOURCES FOR THEIR CLAIM ABOUT THE CLIP?

    And one is supported, but two pages off. I haven't bothered with the other one.



    You still haven't, you know.

    That means that you're a dishonest coward.

    No, that means you resort to ad hominem because I pointed out you are criticizing a frigging typo.



    You need to address what I point out.

    Already did.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to hsienzant@aol.com on Wed Aug 30 14:03:42 2023
    On Wed, 30 Aug 2023 12:08:59 -0700 (PDT), Hank Sienzant
    <hsienzant@aol.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 10:57:02?AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Wed, 30 Aug 2023 04:57:03 -0700 (PDT), Hank Sienzant
    <hsie...@aol.com> wrote:


    Ben said this:
    https://groups.google.com/g/alt.conspiracy.jfk/c/4-nD2oIxfg8/m/T02VahYBAQAJ >> >There are many more problems with this alleged clip - but it would
    take a separate post to detail. See Silvia Meagher's Accessories After
    the Fact for one discussion of the problems of evidence for this clip.
    Indeed. And like the coward you are, you've not addressed this at
    all.

    False.


    Looks like you're lying again. You've shown no indication that you
    are even aware of what Silvia Meagher was pointing out.

    Can you tell us the synopsis of what she reported in that part of the
    book?

    Do you even have a clue?


    But let's get back to the original topic.

    CAN YOU PUBLICLY ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THE WC CLAMED TWO INDEPENDENT
    CITATIONS/SOURCES FOR THEIR CLAIM ABOUT THE CLIP?


    Logical fallacy deleted.

    Clearly, you aren't honest enough to address the question I raised.


    You still haven't, you know.

    That means that you're a dishonest coward.

    No...


    Yes.

    You can run, Huckster - but you can't hide the fact that you refuse to
    address WHAT I POST right here...


    You need to address what I point out.

    Already did.


    You're lying again...

    CAN YOU PUBLICLY ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THE WC CLAMED TWO INDEPENDENT CITATIONS/SOURCES FOR THEIR CLAIM ABOUT THE CLIP?

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to hsienzant@aol.com on Wed Aug 30 14:05:28 2023
    On Wed, 30 Aug 2023 11:57:19 -0700 (PDT), Hank Sienzant
    <hsienzant@aol.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 10:56:29?AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Wed, 30 Aug 2023 04:50:24 -0700 (PDT), Hank Sienzant
    <hsie...@aol.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 7:02:38?AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 6:28:53?AM UTC-4, Hank Sienzant wrote: >>>>> it was a fellow CT that helped expose it
    I'm not a conspiracy theorist, Hank.

    The pot denies hes black. Even the tea kettle can see otherwise.
    Lie, Huckster, and claim you aren't using ad hominem...

    Logical fallacy deleted.

    Huckster is TERRIFIED of answering my question.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to hsienzant@aol.com on Wed Aug 30 14:04:41 2023
    On Wed, 30 Aug 2023 11:50:21 -0700 (PDT), Hank Sienzant
    <hsienzant@aol.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 10:55:10?AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Wed, 30 Aug 2023 04:57:53 -0700 (PDT), Hank Sienzant
    <hsie...@aol.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 7:46:15?AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 7:41:19?AM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    You're just upset that Gil is smarter than you, waaaaaay smarter.
    Thank you but you're giving me way too much credit.
    Its not hard being smarter than those with an IQ in the single digits.

    And Gil likewise resorts to ad hominem.

    Tell us a lie, Huckster, and complain that you never use logical
    fallacies...

    Ben ...

    Ben has nothing whatsoever to do with *YOUR* use of logical fallacies.

    Run away again, coward...

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to hsienzant@aol.com on Wed Aug 30 14:06:41 2023
    On Wed, 30 Aug 2023 12:04:55 -0700 (PDT), Hank Sienzant
    <hsienzant@aol.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 10:56:47?AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Wed, 30 Aug 2023 02:20:46 -0700 (PDT), Hank Sienzant
    <hsie...@aol.com> wrote:


    And Ben will concede ...

    You still haven't conceded that the WCR used two fake cites to support
    their "clip." You've not conceded that the one photo *YOU* cited is
    hardly definitive, and in fact, doesn't make sense. What's holding
    the "clip" in place in that photo???

    No, I feel no need to "concede" anything -


    I deleted your agreement with me...


    as you've not proven a
    thing - other than finding *one* citation that the WC could have used.

    And, I might point out, unable to produce the document on which it was allegedly based.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to hsienzant@aol.com on Wed Aug 30 14:07:52 2023
    On Wed, 30 Aug 2023 11:51:00 -0700 (PDT), Hank Sienzant
    <hsienzant@aol.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 10:56:21?AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Mon, 28 Aug 2023 14:25:13 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:


    So, according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval" shape that was
    "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

    Chickenshit is TERRIFIED of this simple honest question. He knows
    that Bugliosi was a moron if he truly thought this... yet you can't
    get Chickenshit to publicly acknowledge that Bugliosi said this.

    It's a simple "Yes" or "No" question, and Chickenshit cannot cite
    where he has EVER answered it. (Without immediately denying it.)

    So it's going to keep getting asked until Chickenshit answers it.

    Ben changes the subject rather than discuss the rifle clip.

    Chickenshit has no right to any answers of mine when he can't answer
    *MY* questions.

    So tell us coward, why can't **YOU** help Chickenshit out, and answer
    the question?

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to hsienzant@aol.com on Wed Aug 30 14:20:17 2023
    On Wed, 30 Aug 2023 11:51:48 -0700 (PDT), Hank Sienzant
    <hsienzant@aol.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 10:56:22?AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Mon, 28 Aug 2023 14:17:07 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett
    <geowri...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 3:44:39?PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 2:22:46?PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    These are the kind of conclusions one reaches when they substitute imagination for evidence.
    And you should know because you always use evidence, right ?

    Everything I believe about the assassination is supported by real, hard evidence.

    No it isn't.

    You continually REFUSE to cite this alleged "real, hard evidence."

    Weigh in on the clip evidence, why don't you?

    Sure... Just as soon as you publicly acknowledge that I'm perfectly
    correct to point out that Corbutt refuses to cite "real, hard
    evidence."... and always has refused to do so whenever I've asked him
    to.

    Trying to change the topic isn't going to go anywhere...

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to hsienzant@aol.com on Wed Aug 30 14:18:20 2023
    On Wed, 30 Aug 2023 11:58:46 -0700 (PDT), Hank Sienzant
    <hsienzant@aol.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 10:56:44?AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Mon, 28 Aug 2023 13:05:43 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler
    <chucksch...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 2:44:39?PM UTC-5, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 2:22:46?PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:

    These are the kind of conclusions one reaches when they substitute imagination for evidence.

    And you should know because you always use evidence, right ?

    Your Team Oswald co-member Sky Throne believes Oswald fired a shot from the grassy knoll and hustled back inside the TSBD, unseen, in time for his Baker and Truly encounter. Why don't you "school" him?

    This *is* what you have to believe in order to account for the
    evidence.

    Cite that evidence. We both know you won't, of course.

    Here's a good synopsis: https://www.history-matters.com/analysis/witness/Sort216Witness.htm

    But we both know that you're a LIAR to try to imply that there's no
    evidence for a Grassy Knoll shooter. Indeed, mere SECONDS after the
    shots were fired, Curry was directing officers to the Grassy Knoll (or
    more precisely, in that direction... the railroad yard)

    You know this.

    YOU KNOW THIS!!! Yet here you are, implicitly denying it.

    Here's a few specific cites: Boone XIX, 507; VII, 105-9
    Weitzman IV, 161
    Craig XIX, 524
    Elkins XIX, 540

    I can give many more, but 4 are enough to prove you a liar. Watch
    folks, as Huckster refuses to retract his now proven lie.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to hsienzant@aol.com on Wed Aug 30 14:21:34 2023
    On Wed, 30 Aug 2023 11:52:22 -0700 (PDT), Hank Sienzant
    <hsienzant@aol.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 10:56:23?AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Mon, 28 Aug 2023 10:42:04 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler
    <chucksch...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 12:25:03?PM UTC-5, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote: >>>> On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 12:49:43?PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 11:19:44?AM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    https://postimg.cc/ZB3YG9jz

    Yes, it is the frame of a film, but that still is a photograph.

    Maybe it's there. I don't know. But Hank has asserted that the clip can be seen in a photo of Lt. Day leaving the building https://www.jfk-assassination.net/images/day_clip.gif. I see that. But, to me, it looks like it is not there when Day first
    examines the rifle https://postimg.cc/ZB3YG9jz. Maybe it is, but I don't see it. Why can't Hank, who sees the clip when Day is walking out, say that he sees it when Day is examining the rifle? If it's there, tell me it's there. Maybe it is. I don't know.
    You're right that you can't see it, but it still could be there.

    In this video, notice that although the clip is in the rifle, it is not visible in the ejection port at the bottom of the weapon.

    https://youtu.be/eD9PRba_wAk

    Well, that's all Hank had to do. Pity he's not as clever as you. Yes, at least from that angle, the clip cannot be seen until it falls out. And it falls out when the last cartridge is chambered, before it is fired. So, if it was working properly,
    then it should have fallen out by the window. But the gun is an old piece of crap, so maybe it stayed put...until Day carried it out of the building and then it peaked out a bit. That must be Hank's explanation, I imagine. Amazing such a shitty old gun
    in the hands of a mediocre marksman could accomplish what trained experts with the thing fixed up couldn't.
    Logical fallacy deleted.

    Ben deletes ...

    Sure. Happy to.

    What was holding the clip out in the photo you cited?

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  • From Bud@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Wed Aug 30 14:27:03 2023
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 5:21:50 PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Wed, 30 Aug 2023 11:52:22 -0700 (PDT), Hank Sienzant
    <hsie...@aol.com> wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 10:56:23?AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Mon, 28 Aug 2023 10:42:04 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler
    <chucksch...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 12:25:03?PM UTC-5, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 12:49:43?PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 11:19:44?AM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    https://postimg.cc/ZB3YG9jz

    Yes, it is the frame of a film, but that still is a photograph. >>>>>>
    Maybe it's there. I don't know. But Hank has asserted that the clip can be seen in a photo of Lt. Day leaving the building https://www.jfk-assassination.net/images/day_clip.gif. I see that. But, to me, it looks like it is not there when Day
    first examines the rifle https://postimg.cc/ZB3YG9jz. Maybe it is, but I don't see it. Why can't Hank, who sees the clip when Day is walking out, say that he sees it when Day is examining the rifle? If it's there, tell me it's there. Maybe it is. I don't
    know.
    You're right that you can't see it, but it still could be there.

    In this video, notice that although the clip is in the rifle, it is not visible in the ejection port at the bottom of the weapon.

    https://youtu.be/eD9PRba_wAk

    Well, that's all Hank had to do. Pity he's not as clever as you. Yes, at least from that angle, the clip cannot be seen until it falls out. And it falls out when the last cartridge is chambered, before it is fired. So, if it was working properly,
    then it should have fallen out by the window. But the gun is an old piece of crap, so maybe it stayed put...until Day carried it out of the building and then it peaked out a bit. That must be Hank's explanation, I imagine. Amazing such a shitty old gun
    in the hands of a mediocre marksman could accomplish what trained experts with the thing fixed up couldn't.
    Logical fallacy deleted.

    Ben deletes ...

    Sure. Happy to.

    Ben: "Whhhaaaa, Hank won`t respond to me!"

    Also Ben: "I am happy to delete what Hank writes."

    What was holding the clip out in the photo you cited?

    Asked and answered, troll.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to All on Wed Aug 30 15:24:02 2023
    On Wed, 30 Aug 2023 14:27:03 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirslick@fast.net>
    wrote:


    So, according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval" shape that was
    "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

    Chickenshit is TERRIFIED of this simple honest question. He knows
    that Bugliosi was a moron if he truly thought this... yet you can't
    get Chickenshit to publicly acknowledge that Bugliosi said this.

    It's a simple "Yes" or "No" question, and Chickenshit cannot cite
    where he has EVER answered it. (Without immediately denying it.)

    So it's going to keep getting asked until Chickenshit answers it.

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  • From Hank Sienzant@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Tue Sep 12 14:03:29 2023
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 5:21:50 PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Wed, 30 Aug 2023 11:52:22 -0700 (PDT), Hank Sienzant
    <hsie...@aol.com> wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 10:56:23?AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Mon, 28 Aug 2023 10:42:04 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler
    <chucksch...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 12:25:03?PM UTC-5, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 12:49:43?PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 11:19:44?AM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    https://postimg.cc/ZB3YG9jz

    Yes, it is the frame of a film, but that still is a photograph. >>>>>>
    Maybe it's there. I don't know. But Hank has asserted that the clip can be seen in a photo of Lt. Day leaving the building https://www.jfk-assassination.net/images/day_clip.gif. I see that. But, to me, it looks like it is not there when Day
    first examines the rifle https://postimg.cc/ZB3YG9jz. Maybe it is, but I don't see it. Why can't Hank, who sees the clip when Day is walking out, say that he sees it when Day is examining the rifle? If it's there, tell me it's there. Maybe it is. I don't
    know.
    You're right that you can't see it, but it still could be there.

    In this video, notice that although the clip is in the rifle, it is not visible in the ejection port at the bottom of the weapon.

    https://youtu.be/eD9PRba_wAk

    Well, that's all Hank had to do. Pity he's not as clever as you. Yes, at least from that angle, the clip cannot be seen until it falls out. And it falls out when the last cartridge is chambered, before it is fired. So, if it was working properly,
    then it should have fallen out by the window. But the gun is an old piece of crap, so maybe it stayed put...until Day carried it out of the building and then it peaked out a bit. That must be Hank's explanation, I imagine. Amazing such a shitty old gun
    in the hands of a mediocre marksman could accomplish what trained experts with the thing fixed up couldn't.
    Logical fallacy deleted.

    Ben deletes ...

    Sure. Happy to.

    What was holding the clip out in the photo you cited?

    Never-ending nonsense.

    I am glad however that you finally admitted there is a clip visible in the rifle that was photographed as J.C. Day walked the weapon found in the Depository back to the Crime Lab. But of course, like good acts everywhere, answers are never enough. Now
    Ben raises the meaningless issue of what's holding it in place, as if that is pertinent to resolving the issue of whether there is a conspiracy of not.

    Elsewhere, CTs will and have complained about the condition of the rifle, stressing how it was a WWII weapon, how it was over two decades old, how it apparently needed to be well-oiled to function, how there was a rusty firing pin, how the scope was
    misaligned, and how there was supposedly rust in the barrel. But of course for a dedicated CT like Ben, none of that comes close to answering why the clip didn't fall out after the last shell was ejected as the mechanism was designed to work.

    I guess Ben is forever doomed to curse the darkness and wallow in these mysteries he is unable to solve rather than light a single candle.

    Light a candle, Ben.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to All on Tue Sep 12 15:28:47 2023
    On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 14:03:29 -0700 (PDT), Hank Sienzant
    <hsienzant@aol.com> wrote:


    You've claimed that the "A.B.C.D." in the Autopsy Report is the
    description of the *location* of the large head wound.

    Yet you refuse time and time again from QUOTING the preceding
    paragraph that describes what this ACTUALLY is. Why is that?

    You've also claimed that the prosectors dissected the throat wound.

    Why do you continue to refuse to cite any evidence for this?

    Why have you CONSISTENTLY run away each time I raise this issue?

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  • From Sky Throne 19efppp@21:1/5 to Hank Sienzant on Tue Sep 12 18:52:22 2023
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 5:03:31 PM UTC-4, Hank Sienzant wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 5:21:50 PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Wed, 30 Aug 2023 11:52:22 -0700 (PDT), Hank Sienzant
    <hsie...@aol.com> wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 10:56:23?AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Mon, 28 Aug 2023 10:42:04 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler
    <chucksch...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 12:25:03?PM UTC-5, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 12:49:43?PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote: >>>>> On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 11:19:44?AM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    https://postimg.cc/ZB3YG9jz

    Yes, it is the frame of a film, but that still is a photograph. >>>>>>
    Maybe it's there. I don't know. But Hank has asserted that the clip can be seen in a photo of Lt. Day leaving the building https://www.jfk-assassination.net/images/day_clip.gif. I see that. But, to me, it looks like it is not there when Day
    first examines the rifle https://postimg.cc/ZB3YG9jz. Maybe it is, but I don't see it. Why can't Hank, who sees the clip when Day is walking out, say that he sees it when Day is examining the rifle? If it's there, tell me it's there. Maybe it is. I don't
    know.
    You're right that you can't see it, but it still could be there. >>>>>
    In this video, notice that although the clip is in the rifle, it is not visible in the ejection port at the bottom of the weapon.

    https://youtu.be/eD9PRba_wAk

    Well, that's all Hank had to do. Pity he's not as clever as you. Yes, at least from that angle, the clip cannot be seen until it falls out. And it falls out when the last cartridge is chambered, before it is fired. So, if it was working properly,
    then it should have fallen out by the window. But the gun is an old piece of crap, so maybe it stayed put...until Day carried it out of the building and then it peaked out a bit. That must be Hank's explanation, I imagine. Amazing such a shitty old gun
    in the hands of a mediocre marksman could accomplish what trained experts with the thing fixed up couldn't.
    Logical fallacy deleted.

    Ben deletes ...

    Sure. Happy to.

    What was holding the clip out in the photo you cited?
    Never-ending nonsense.

    I am glad however that you finally admitted there is a clip visible in the rifle that was photographed as J.C. Day walked the weapon found in the Depository back to the Crime Lab. But of course, like good acts everywhere, answers are never enough. Now
    Ben raises the meaningless issue of what's holding it in place, as if that is pertinent to resolving the issue of whether there is a conspiracy of not.

    Elsewhere, CTs will and have complained about the condition of the rifle, stressing how it was a WWII weapon, how it was over two decades old, how it apparently needed to be well-oiled to function, how there was a rusty firing pin, how the scope was
    misaligned, and how there was supposedly rust in the barrel. But of course for a dedicated CT like Ben, none of that comes close to answering why the clip didn't fall out after the last shell was ejected as the mechanism was designed to work.

    I guess Ben is forever doomed to curse the darkness and wallow in these mysteries he is unable to solve rather than light a single candle.

    Light a candle, Ben.

    You and Holmes have been doing Never Ending Nonsense for years, like it's sex.

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  • From Hank Sienzant@21:1/5 to All on Wed Sep 13 15:27:36 2023
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 9:52:24 PM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 5:03:31 PM UTC-4, Hank Sienzant wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 5:21:50 PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Wed, 30 Aug 2023 11:52:22 -0700 (PDT), Hank Sienzant <hsie...@aol.com> wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 10:56:23?AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote: >> On Mon, 28 Aug 2023 10:42:04 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler
    <chucksch...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 12:25:03?PM UTC-5, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 12:49:43?PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote: >>>>> On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 11:19:44?AM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    https://postimg.cc/ZB3YG9jz

    Yes, it is the frame of a film, but that still is a photograph. >>>>>>
    Maybe it's there. I don't know. But Hank has asserted that the clip can be seen in a photo of Lt. Day leaving the building https://www.jfk-assassination.net/images/day_clip.gif. I see that. But, to me, it looks like it is not there when Day
    first examines the rifle https://postimg.cc/ZB3YG9jz. Maybe it is, but I don't see it. Why can't Hank, who sees the clip when Day is walking out, say that he sees it when Day is examining the rifle? If it's there, tell me it's there. Maybe it is. I don't
    know.
    You're right that you can't see it, but it still could be there. >>>>>
    In this video, notice that although the clip is in the rifle, it is not visible in the ejection port at the bottom of the weapon.

    https://youtu.be/eD9PRba_wAk

    Well, that's all Hank had to do. Pity he's not as clever as you. Yes, at least from that angle, the clip cannot be seen until it falls out. And it falls out when the last cartridge is chambered, before it is fired. So, if it was working
    properly, then it should have fallen out by the window. But the gun is an old piece of crap, so maybe it stayed put...until Day carried it out of the building and then it peaked out a bit. That must be Hank's explanation, I imagine. Amazing such a shitty
    old gun in the hands of a mediocre marksman could accomplish what trained experts with the thing fixed up couldn't.
    Logical fallacy deleted.

    Ben deletes ...

    Sure. Happy to.

    What was holding the clip out in the photo you cited?
    Never-ending nonsense.

    I am glad however that you finally admitted there is a clip visible in the rifle that was photographed as J.C. Day walked the weapon found in the Depository back to the Crime Lab. But of course, like good acts everywhere, answers are never enough.
    Now Ben raises the meaningless issue of what's holding it in place, as if that is pertinent to resolving the issue of whether there is a conspiracy of not.

    Elsewhere, CTs will and have complained about the condition of the rifle, stressing how it was a WWII weapon, how it was over two decades old, how it apparently needed to be well-oiled to function, how there was a rusty firing pin, how the scope was
    misaligned, and how there was supposedly rust in the barrel. But of course for a dedicated CT like Ben, none of that comes close to answering why the clip didn't fall out after the last shell was ejected as the mechanism was designed to work.

    I guess Ben is forever doomed to curse the darkness and wallow in these mysteries he is unable to solve rather than light a single candle.

    Light a candle, Ben.
    You and Holmes have been doing Never Ending Nonsense for years, like it's sex.

    I post evidence and a reasoned argument in support of my conclusions. I attempt to have a civil discussion with all comers.

    Ben does none of that.

    I don't call people liars or cowards, and I don't delete my opponent’s words to avoid responding to them. I don't make up childish names for my opponents.

    Ben does all the above, and more.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to hsienzant@aol.com on Wed Sep 13 15:31:56 2023
    On Wed, 13 Sep 2023 15:27:36 -0700 (PDT), Hank Sienzant
    <hsienzant@aol.com> wrote:


    I post evidence and a reasoned argument in support of my conclusions. I attempt to have a civil discussion with all comers.

    Except when you don't.

    You've claimed that the "A.B.C.D." in the Autopsy Report is the
    description of the *location* of the large head wound.

    Yet you refuse time and time again from QUOTING the preceding
    paragraph that describes what this ACTUALLY is. Why is that?

    You've also claimed that the prosectors dissected the throat wound.

    Why do you continue to refuse to cite any evidence for this?

    Why have you CONSISTENTLY run away each time I raise this issue?

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