• Presidential Assassinations

    From David Drummond@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 25 13:35:26 2023
    There are many ways to assassinate a president. We just saw one of those ways yesterday, in Georgia. And you'll see it again if RFK Jr. gets too popular.

    Once again, the conservatives in this group who are also LNers show a level of cognitive dissonance that is staggering.

    They deny the scandalous corruption surrounding the JFK assassination...while they live in happening against them in real time.

    LNers can't be saved. And that's why I haven't been online in a while.

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  • From John Corbett@21:1/5 to David Drummond on Fri Aug 25 14:03:21 2023
    On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 4:35:27 PM UTC-4, David Drummond wrote:
    There are many ways to assassinate a president. We just saw one of those ways yesterday, in Georgia. And you'll see it again if RFK Jr. gets too popular.

    Once again, the conservatives in this group who are also LNers show a level of cognitive dissonance that is staggering.

    They deny the scandalous corruption surrounding the JFK assassination...while they live in happening against them in real time.

    LNers can't be saved. And that's why I haven't been online in a while.

    Who cares?

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  • From David Drummond@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 25 14:15:45 2023

    Who cares?

    Such patriotism.

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  • From John Corbett@21:1/5 to David Drummond on Fri Aug 25 14:19:22 2023
    On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 5:15:46 PM UTC-4, David Drummond wrote:

    Who cares?

    Such patriotism.

    So you think it's your patriotic duty to accuse all sorts of government officials of being complicit
    in the assassination of JFK without a scrap of evidence to support such allegations.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to geowright1963@gmail.com on Fri Aug 25 14:29:21 2023
    On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 14:19:22 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett <geowright1963@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 5:15:46?PM UTC-4, David Drummond wrote:

    Who cares?

    Such patriotism.

    So you think it's your patriotic duty to accuse all sorts of government officials of being complicit
    in the assassination of JFK without a scrap of evidence to support such allegations.


    Isn't that strange??? You never *ONCE* accused me of this.

    Just to catch you up, David, Corbutt stopped responding to me when I
    started posting the Bugliosi's 53 Reasons - Refuted... He just
    couldn't stand it.

    Seeing a hero of his being knocked into the dust, and nothing he could
    do about it. So he just ran...

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  • From David Drummond@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 25 14:27:59 2023

    So you think it's your patriotic duty to accuse all sorts of government officials of being complicit
    in the assassination of JFK without a scrap of evidence to support such allegations.

    There sure is a hell of a lot of evidence for someone to say "without a scrap of evidence."

    But who cares?

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  • From David Drummond@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 25 14:38:54 2023

    Just to catch you up, David, Corbutt stopped responding to me when I
    started posting the Bugliosi's 53 Reasons - Refuted... He just
    couldn't stand it.

    Seeing a hero of his being knocked into the dust, and nothing he could
    do about it. So he just ran...

    It would be a shame if Corbutt the Patriot happened upon the book "Chaos" by Tom O'Neill, which better than anything chronicles what a true scum Bugliosi was and always has been.

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  • From David Drummond@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 25 14:42:05 2023

    Just to catch you up, David, Corbutt stopped responding to me when I
    started posting the Bugliosi's 53 Reasons - Refuted... He just
    couldn't stand it.
    ..
    lol, Ben still evidence-bombing the believers into irrelevancy. It's worth coming back to see!

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to borisbadenov666@gmail.com on Fri Aug 25 14:52:36 2023
    On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 14:42:05 -0700 (PDT), David Drummond <borisbadenov666@gmail.com> wrote:


    Just to catch you up, David, Corbutt stopped responding to me when I
    started posting the Bugliosi's 53 Reasons - Refuted... He just
    couldn't stand it.
    ..
    lol, Ben still evidence-bombing the believers into irrelevancy. It's worth coming back to see!

    Yep... even Huckster runs from me now. I'm enjoying cramming the
    evidence down their throuts...

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  • From Steven Galbraith@21:1/5 to John Corbett on Fri Aug 25 15:02:46 2023
    On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 5:03:22 PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 4:35:27 PM UTC-4, David Drummond wrote:
    There are many ways to assassinate a president. We just saw one of those ways yesterday, in Georgia. And you'll see it again if RFK Jr. gets too popular.

    Once again, the conservatives in this group who are also LNers show a level of cognitive dissonance that is staggering.

    They deny the scandalous corruption surrounding the JFK assassination...while they live in happening against them in real time.

    LNers can't be saved. And that's why I haven't been online in a while.
    Who cares?
    He thinks Trump of today is just like JFK in 1963. And vice versa. "They" assassinated JFK because he was a threat and they are assassinating, in a different way, Trump because he too is a threat. The idea that JFK was opposed by the Establishment the
    way Trump is opposed is truly bizarre. The idea that indicting him is some type of "assassination" is even more bizarre. In fact, the "assassination" of Trump is helping him get the nomination.
    These folks really do think there's a secret covert powerful "they" that controls things. The people who were in power in 1963 are all dead. Gone. But another powerful group has replaced them. And for whatever reason covering up the murder of JFK 60
    years ago. Including the media. Bizarre, just bizarre.

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  • From Chuck Schuyler@21:1/5 to David Drummond on Fri Aug 25 16:09:34 2023
    On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 3:35:27 PM UTC-5, David Drummond wrote:


    Boris the Truther dropped this clunker on the group:

    There are many ways to assassinate a president. We just saw one of those ways yesterday, in Georgia. And you'll see it again if RFK Jr. gets too popular.

    Once again, the conservatives in this group who are also LNers show a level of cognitive dissonance that is staggering.

    They deny the scandalous corruption surrounding the JFK assassination...while they live in happening against them in real time.

    Weird.

    The one with cognitive dissonance is you, Boris. JFK could've been efficiently "removed" from office with similar dirty tricks some of us think were employed against Trump in 2020. JFK was so compromised with his personal life that a much more prudish
    1963/1964 America might've voted for whomever "the other guy" was in 1964. No need for sniper teams hiding behind bushes and secret kidnap teams stealing his corpse for pre-autopsy autopsies, etc. Simply employ those MSM contacts the CIA had in their hip
    pocket (says Team Oswald) and let the stories roll--drip, drip, drip--about his interactions with mob gun molls, two-bit hookers, Hollywood starlets, White House trysts with teenage interns, and so on. Add his drug use, his Addison's disease, his
    hypothyroidism, and on and on.




    LNers can't be saved. And that's why I haven't been online in a while.

    Because you care about "saving" us?

    You people are just weird.

    Are you traveling to Ground Zero on 9/11 to yell at the firefighters and the NYPD and Port Authority and everyone else that 9/11 was an "inside job" this year, or has that sort of run its course in your life?

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  • From John Corbett@21:1/5 to David Drummond on Fri Aug 25 16:10:15 2023
    On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 5:28:01 PM UTC-4, David Drummond wrote:

    So you think it's your patriotic duty to accuse all sorts of government officials of being complicit
    in the assassination of JFK without a scrap of evidence to support such allegations.
    There sure is a hell of a lot of evidence for someone to say "without a scrap of evidence."

    But who cares?

    OK, list the three best pieces of evidence you have that someone other than Oswald took part
    in the crime. I've made this challenge countless times over the years and few CTs have even
    attempted to answer.

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  • From John Corbett@21:1/5 to David Drummond on Fri Aug 25 16:11:28 2023
    On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 5:38:55 PM UTC-4, David Drummond wrote:

    Just to catch you up, David, Corbutt stopped responding to me when I started posting the Bugliosi's 53 Reasons - Refuted... He just
    couldn't stand it.

    Seeing a hero of his being knocked into the dust, and nothing he could
    do about it. So he just ran...
    It would be a shame if Corbutt the Patriot happened upon the book "Chaos" by Tom O'Neill, which better than anything chronicles what a true scum Bugliosi was and always has been.

    Bugliosi's character has zilch to do with the question of whether or not there was a conspiracy
    to kill JFK.

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  • From John Corbett@21:1/5 to David Drummond on Fri Aug 25 16:12:26 2023
    On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 5:42:06 PM UTC-4, David Drummond wrote:

    Just to catch you up, David, Corbutt stopped responding to me when I started posting the Bugliosi's 53 Reasons - Refuted... He just
    couldn't stand it.
    ..
    lol, Ben still evidence-bombing the believers into irrelevancy. It's worth coming back to see!

    If you think what Benny Yellowpanties posts is evidence, it's clear you don't understand what
    constitutes evidence.

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  • From John Corbett@21:1/5 to Chuck Schuyler on Fri Aug 25 16:16:22 2023
    On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 7:09:35 PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 3:35:27 PM UTC-5, David Drummond wrote:


    Boris the Truther dropped this clunker on the group:
    There are many ways to assassinate a president. We just saw one of those ways yesterday, in Georgia. And you'll see it again if RFK Jr. gets too popular.

    Once again, the conservatives in this group who are also LNers show a level of cognitive dissonance that is staggering.

    They deny the scandalous corruption surrounding the JFK assassination...while they live in happening against them in real time.
    Weird.

    The one with cognitive dissonance is you, Boris. JFK could've been efficiently "removed" from office with similar dirty tricks some of us think were employed against Trump in 2020. JFK was so compromised with his personal life that a much more prudish
    1963/1964 America might've voted for whomever "the other guy" was in 1964. No need for sniper teams hiding behind bushes and secret kidnap teams stealing his corpse for pre-autopsy autopsies, etc. Simply employ those MSM contacts the CIA had in their hip
    pocket (says Team Oswald) and let the stories roll--drip, drip, drip--about his interactions with mob gun molls, two-bit hookers, Hollywood starlets, White House trysts with teenage interns, and so on. Add his drug use, his Addison's disease, his
    hypothyroidism, and on and on.
    As late as 1988, Gary Hart's presidential ambitions were torpedoed by photos of him with his
    girlfriend, Susan Rice, published by the National Enguirer.

    This led to the off color joke:

    Q: What's the difference between Republican women and Democrat women.

    A: Republican women have Bush in their heart.

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  • From Chuck Schuyler@21:1/5 to John Corbett on Fri Aug 25 16:21:15 2023
    On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 6:16:24 PM UTC-5, John Corbett wrote:
    On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 7:09:35 PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 3:35:27 PM UTC-5, David Drummond wrote:


    Boris the Truther dropped this clunker on the group:
    There are many ways to assassinate a president. We just saw one of those ways yesterday, in Georgia. And you'll see it again if RFK Jr. gets too popular.

    Once again, the conservatives in this group who are also LNers show a level of cognitive dissonance that is staggering.

    They deny the scandalous corruption surrounding the JFK assassination...while they live in happening against them in real time.
    Weird.

    The one with cognitive dissonance is you, Boris. JFK could've been efficiently "removed" from office with similar dirty tricks some of us think were employed against Trump in 2020. JFK was so compromised with his personal life that a much more
    prudish 1963/1964 America might've voted for whomever "the other guy" was in 1964. No need for sniper teams hiding behind bushes and secret kidnap teams stealing his corpse for pre-autopsy autopsies, etc. Simply employ those MSM contacts the CIA had in
    their hip pocket (says Team Oswald) and let the stories roll--drip, drip, drip--about his interactions with mob gun molls, two-bit hookers, Hollywood starlets, White House trysts with teenage interns, and so on. Add his drug use, his Addison's disease,
    his hypothyroidism, and on and on.
    As late as 1988, Gary Hart's presidential ambitions were torpedoed by photos of him with his
    girlfriend, Susan Rice, published by the National Enguirer.

    This led to the off color joke:

    Q: What's the difference between Republican women and Democrat women.

    A: Republican women have Bush in their heart.

    Funny!

    And in 1988, another Dem candidate went down in flames: JOE BIDEN. He's that old. His crime? Pilfering a British poilitican's speech and appropriating it as his own work.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to geowright1963@gmail.com on Fri Aug 25 18:23:33 2023
    On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 16:10:15 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett <geowright1963@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 5:28:01?PM UTC-4, David Drummond wrote:

    So you think it's your patriotic duty to accuse all sorts of government officials of being complicit
    in the assassination of JFK without a scrap of evidence to support such allegations.
    There sure is a hell of a lot of evidence for someone to say "without a scrap of evidence."

    But who cares?

    OK, list the three best pieces of evidence you have that someone other than Oswald took part
    in the crime. I've made this challenge countless times over the years and few CTs have even
    attempted to answer.

    This has been answered REPEATEDLY by Gil and myself. Here's my last
    answer:

    *******************************************************************
    If you dispute that, list the three best pieces of evidence you have
    either that Oswald was innocent or that someone other than Oswald was involved in either murder, using material from your website or any
    other source you like.


    Notice folks - Corbutt seems to think that this isn't possible...


    1. _____________________________________


    The many (and early) witnesses to shots coming from the Grassy Knoll.


    2. _____________________________________


    The medical evidence that JFK's throat wound was an entry wound.


    3. _____________________________________


    The NAA testing showing that Oswald's cheeks (and almost certainly his
    clothing as well) had no blowback from a rifle.

    Notice that *NONE* of these three items are "objections" to evidence
    presented by the WC... indeed all three of these are evidence that the
    WC was fully aware of. *********************************************************

    The next time he tries to claim that critics don't answer his
    questions, I'm simply going to tell the world that he's a pederast.

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  • From David Drummond@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 25 19:26:13 2023

    The one with cognitive dissonance is you, Boris. JFK could've been efficiently "removed" from office with similar dirty tricks some of us think were employed against Trump in 2020. JFK was so compromised with his personal life that a much more prudish
    1963/1964 America might've voted for whomever "the other guy" was in 1964. No need for sniper teams hiding behind bushes and secret kidnap teams stealing his corpse for pre-autopsy autopsies, etc.

    That's usually how coups work. The CIA just bullies leaders with compromising "dirty photos" until they resign.

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  • From David Drummond@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 25 19:30:13 2023

    It would be a shame if Corbutt the Patriot happened upon the book "Chaos" by Tom O'Neill, which better than anything chronicles what a true scum Bugliosi was and always has been.
    Bugliosi's character has zilch to do with the question of whether or not there was a conspiracy
    to kill JFK.

    Weird how when it comes to someone like, say, Roger Craig, he's a kook with questionable character. Yet Bugliosi, who threatened, intimidated, stalked and bribed witnesses, as well as beat women, speaks gospel on all things.

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  • From David Drummond@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 25 19:23:12 2023

    He thinks Trump of today is just like JFK in 1963. And vice versa. "They" assassinated JFK because he was a threat and they are assassinating, in a different way, Trump because he too is a threat.

    Not just a threat, but the *same kind* of threat. Peace over war, which starves the Military Industrial Complex. Both threatened to drain the swamp (though JFK used the words "shatter it into a thousand pieces and scatter it to the winds"). Both
    threatened to expose dark underbellies (recall JFK's speech about secret societies).


    The idea that JFK was opposed by the Establishment the way Trump is opposed is truly bizarre.

    Yeah, it's like impossible or something.


    The idea that indicting him is some type of "assassination" is even more bizarre. In fact, the "assassination" of Trump is helping him get the nomination.

    Is it? Because they're still trying to say the Constitution disqualifies him from running.


    These folks really do think there's a secret covert powerful "they" that controls things.

    Nonsense. Everything happens exactly the way my TV tells me it happened, and no one is ever lying about anything.


    The people who were in power in 1963 are all dead.

    "I killed a cockroach, that means there are no more cockroaches." - Steven Galbraith


    But another powerful group has replaced them.

    It's the same group, with different political leanings. In 1963 they were far-right fascists who killed a liberal; today they are far-left communists who are killing conservatives.


    And for whatever reason covering up the murder of JFK 60 years ago.

    For whatever reason!


    Including the media.

    We already covered this. The media doesn't lie. The media never lies. Fiery but mostly peaceful.

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  • From John Corbett@21:1/5 to David Drummond on Fri Aug 25 19:33:13 2023
    On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 10:30:15 PM UTC-4, David Drummond wrote:

    It would be a shame if Corbutt the Patriot happened upon the book "Chaos" by Tom O'Neill, which better than anything chronicles what a true scum Bugliosi was and always has been.
    Bugliosi's character has zilch to do with the question of whether or not there was a conspiracy
    to kill JFK.
    Weird how when it comes to someone like, say, Roger Craig, he's a kook with questionable character. Yet Bugliosi, who threatened, intimidated, stalked and bribed witnesses, as well as beat women, speaks gospel on all things.

    Bugliosi never claimed to witness things related to the JFK assassination.

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  • From David Drummond@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 25 19:40:44 2023

    OK, list the three best pieces of evidence you have that someone other than Oswald took part
    in the crime. I've made this challenge countless times over the years and few CTs have even
    attempted to answer.

    CTers don't answer because they know it's a waste of time. Inasmuch as if someone said to me, "I dare you to talk to that brick wall," I would just respond with "why bother?"

    Because for instance, the brick wall believes that JFK's head was thrown forward due to a shot from behind, because that's what asshole Dan Rather told them. Then when the Z-film came out showing his head was in fact thrown back, the brick wall instantly
    pivoted to the "jet effect" theory to immediately explain away that which they previously believed to be true. To be a LNer is to believe the jet effect both exists and doesn't exist at the same time.

    To be a LNer is to believe that objects with greater mass do not produce greater momentum, which defies the laws of physics.

    To be a LNer is to disbelieve the findings of the autopsy report, but believe its conclusions.

    Today, progressive leftists who want you to get the Covid jab will tell you to trust the doctors, because they are medical experts who know more than you. Then those same leftists will proclaim that doctors are "just guessing" a baby's gender when they'
    re born, because doctors can't be trusted to know. In 1963 Land, LNers profess their trust in the medical experts who say alll the right things. But the dozens of them who attested to a large absence of bone and scalp in the occipital/parietal area were
    all mistaken.

    So my question is, why should I post three pieces of evidence to someone who believes that men can get pregnant?

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  • From Gil Jesus@21:1/5 to John Corbett on Sat Aug 26 02:58:12 2023
    On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 7:10:16 PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    OK, list the three best pieces of evidence you have that someone other than Oswald took part
    in the crime. I've made this challenge countless times over the years and few CTs have even
    attempted to answer.

    1.The way authorities denied Oswald his Constitutional rights.
    2.The way authorities tampered with the evidence.
    3.The way authorities tampered with the witnesses.

    https://jfkconspiracyforum.freeforums.net/thread/1652/evidence-witness-intimidation-tampering

    https://gil-jesus.com/the-police-lineups/

    Professional law enforcement people would never stoop to such unethical tactics against a suspect they knew was guilty.
    No professional would ever risk having a solid case thrown out of court on a technicality.

    But these are exactly the types of tactics one would use if one were trying to frame an innocent man for a crime he did not commit.
    The trolls can cry all they want.
    The truth is that there is more than a shadow of a doubt that Oswald was guilty.

    And it's all here:

    www.gil-jesus.com

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  • From John Corbett@21:1/5 to David Drummond on Sat Aug 26 03:47:46 2023
    On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 10:40:45 PM UTC-4, David Drummond wrote:

    OK, list the three best pieces of evidence you have that someone other than Oswald took part
    in the crime. I've made this challenge countless times over the years and few CTs have even
    attempted to answer.
    CTers don't answer because they know it's a waste of time. Inasmuch as if someone said to me, "I dare you to talk to that brick wall," I would just respond with "why bother?"

    Because for instance, the brick wall believes that JFK's head was thrown forward due to a shot from behind, because that's what asshole Dan Rather told them. Then when the Z-film came out showing his head was in fact thrown back, the brick wall
    instantly pivoted to the "jet effect" theory to immediately explain away that which they previously believed to be true. To be a LNer is to believe the jet effect both exists and doesn't exist at the same time.

    To be a LNer is to believe that objects with greater mass do not produce greater momentum, which defies the laws of physics.

    It is a myth created by Hollywood that a bullet will throw a human body violently in any direction.
    A bullet has too little mass and a transiting bullet will transfer little of its moment to the object
    it is passing through. A bullet enters and object with X amount of energy and leaves it with Y
    amount of energy and the energy transferred is only (X - Y). A close examination of the Z-film reveals that JFK's head moved forward at impact a few inches. Superimposing frame 312 over
    313 reveals that. That slight amount of movement is plausible when a bullet strikes a 10 lbs.
    head. While it cannot be proven, the most likely cause of JFK's sudden movement to the rear
    was a neuro-muscular reaction caused by the trauma to the brain. It could not have been the
    force of a frontal shot because that would have defied the laws of physics. That has been
    proven experimentally. See episodes 25 and 38 of Mythbusters. These episodes were not
    weighing in on the JFK assassination. They were merely exposing the myth created by
    Hollywood movies that show shooting victims being thrown violently by the force of a bullet.

    If JFK's rearward movement is your best piece of evidence of a conspiracy, I can't wait to see
    what #2 is.i

    To be a LNer is to disbelieve the findings of the autopsy report, but believe its conclusions.

    Today, progressive leftists who want you to get the Covid jab will tell you to trust the doctors, because they are medical experts who know more than you. Then those same leftists will proclaim that doctors are "just guessing" a baby's gender when they'
    re born, because doctors can't be trusted to know. In 1963 Land, LNers profess their trust in the medical experts who say alll the right things. But the dozens of them who attested to a large absence of bone and scalp in the occipital/parietal area were
    all mistaken.

    Leave it to a conspiracy hobbyist to try to change the subject when they get painted into a
    corner.

    So my question is, why should I post three pieces of evidence to someone who believes that men can get pregnant?

    When did I say men could get pregnant. This is a feeble attempt by you to redirect the dialogue.
    Why should you post three pieces of evidence? It would show you weren't just blowing smoke
    when you made the following statement:

    There sure is a hell of a lot of evidence for someone to say "without a scrap of evidence."

    If there is a hell of a lot of evidence that others were complicit in the assassination of JFK, why
    is it so difficult for you to come up with three?

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  • From John Corbett@21:1/5 to Gil Jesus on Sat Aug 26 04:03:38 2023
    On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 5:58:14 AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 7:10:16 PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    OK, list the three best pieces of evidence you have that someone other than Oswald took part
    in the crime. I've made this challenge countless times over the years and few CTs have even
    attempted to answer.
    1.The way authorities denied Oswald his Constitutional rights.
    2.The way authorities tampered with the evidence.
    3.The way authorities tampered with the witnesses.

    None of the above is evidence that anybody other than Oswald took part in the crime. Who
    does it implicate? Even if the above were true, which it is not, it is not evidence others were
    involved nor preclude Oswald from being the lone assassin.

    https://jfkconspiracyforum.freeforums.net/thread/1652/evidence-witness-intimidation-tampering

    https://gil-jesus.com/the-police-lineups/

    Professional law enforcement people would never stoop to such unethical tactics against a suspect they knew was guilty.

    You don't think cops ever bend the rules to try to make a case against a suspect they believe
    is guilty? Are you that naive?

    No professional would ever risk having a solid case thrown out of court on a technicality.

    Welcome to the real world, Gil.

    But these are exactly the types of tactics one would use if one were trying to frame an innocent man for a crime he did not commit.

    Your premise is that cops only bend the rules if they are trying to make a case against an
    innocent man. More often it happens when cops know they have the right man but don't have
    a solid enough case. Neither of these things was true in the JFK assassination. The cops knew
    Oswald was the assassin and they had a wealth of evidence to prove it. They had no reason to
    bend the rules.

    The trolls can cry all they want.
    The truth is that there is more than a shadow of a doubt that Oswald was guilty.

    Not in the minds of people who look at the evidence objectively. That excludes you since you
    have admitted to being Oswald's defense counsel. You are acting just like one would expect of
    an attorney who is defending a client he knows committed the crime with which he is accused.
    To get your client off, you need to conceal the truth from the jury. You need to manufacture
    doubt where none exists.

    And it's all here:

    www.gil-jesus.com

    A collection of your lame arguments with little actual evidence to support them.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Bud@21:1/5 to John Corbett on Sat Aug 26 04:48:33 2023
    On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 7:03:39 AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 5:58:14 AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 7:10:16 PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    OK, list the three best pieces of evidence you have that someone other than Oswald took part
    in the crime. I've made this challenge countless times over the years and few CTs have even
    attempted to answer.
    1.The way authorities denied Oswald his Constitutional rights.
    2.The way authorities tampered with the evidence.
    3.The way authorities tampered with the witnesses.
    None of the above is evidence that anybody other than Oswald took part in the crime. Who
    does it implicate? Even if the above were true, which it is not, it is not evidence others were
    involved nor preclude Oswald from being the lone assassin.

    https://jfkconspiracyforum.freeforums.net/thread/1652/evidence-witness-intimidation-tampering

    https://gil-jesus.com/the-police-lineups/

    Professional law enforcement people would never stoop to such unethical tactics against a suspect they knew was guilty.
    You don't think cops ever bend the rules to try to make a case against a suspect they believe
    is guilty? Are you that naive?
    No professional would ever risk having a solid case thrown out of court on a technicality.
    Welcome to the real world, Gil.

    But these are exactly the types of tactics one would use if one were trying to frame an innocent man for a crime he did not commit.
    Your premise is that cops only bend the rules if they are trying to make a case against an
    innocent man. More often it happens when cops know they have the right man but don't have
    a solid enough case.

    This happens, but it is extremely rare. Rarer still would be the authorities *immediately* tampering with evidence. It is known to happen at the scene with the person present (sometimes dead), they will throw down a gun or some drugs. But to go to a
    crime scene without a known suspect and start tampering with evidence right off the bat? What if Oswald really is in the lunchroom with ten alibi witnesses? What if he photographed clearly standing on the front steps? And this, of course is the other
    huge problem (conspiracy folk ignore these, the implications of their ideas), you have put all this effort out to set up Oswald and he is left wandering the halls of the TSBD? The massive (but small) conspiracy just crossed their fingers that Oswald
    wouldn`t get a solid alibi, I mean they are only going to chair if this blows up in their faces, no biggie.

    Neither of these things was true in the JFK assassination. The cops knew
    Oswald was the assassin and they had a wealth of evidence to prove it. They had no reason to
    bend the rules.

    Especially if it meant a cop killer would go free.

    The trolls can cry all they want.
    The truth is that there is more than a shadow of a doubt that Oswald was guilty.
    Not in the minds of people who look at the evidence objectively. That excludes you since you
    have admitted to being Oswald's defense counsel. You are acting just like one would expect of
    an attorney who is defending a client he knows committed the crime with which he is accused.
    To get your client off, you need to conceal the truth from the jury.

    More than that, they have to make the authorities guilty. All the evidence against their client is the result of the authorities. It is what happened in the OJ trial. There were gloves at two locations, the murder scene and OJ residence. Either the
    cops transported a glove from one location to the other, or the murderer (OJ) did, there really isn`t a third alternative. So they *had* to say it was the cops. And that is the same predicament that Gil is in, he has to say all the evidence against
    Oswald is the result of the authorities out to get him. It is actually pretty lame, and no person with the ability to reason would give it a second of consideration. Just too many people required, too many different agencies, too many witnesses need to
    be coerced, no motivation for anyone to see the murderer of the President get away with the crime, no motivation to let the murderer of a police officer get away with the crime, ect (TM).

    You need to manufacture
    doubt where none exists.

    And it's all here:

    www.gil-jesus.com
    A collection of your lame arguments with little actual evidence to support them.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From David Drummond@21:1/5 to All on Sat Aug 26 06:25:07 2023

    Bugliosi never claimed to witness things related to the JFK assassination.

    Yet he has all the answers.

    Or should I say, all the answers you need to hear.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From David Drummond@21:1/5 to All on Sat Aug 26 06:27:14 2023


    Bugliosi never claimed to witness things related to the JFK assassination.
    Yet he has all the answers.

    Or should I say, all the answers you need to hear.

    You'll notice that unlike corrupt DAs like Bugliosi and plagiarists like Gerald Poseur, CTs and critics never profess to have all the answers. Critics have only the gall to ask questions. But to "patriots" like John Corbett and other linear-thinking
    imbeciles, merely asking questions is crime enough.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From David Drummond@21:1/5 to All on Sat Aug 26 06:17:37 2023


    Because for instance, the brick wall believes that JFK's head was thrown forward due to a shot from behind, because that's what asshole Dan Rather told them. Then when the Z-film came out showing his head was in fact thrown back, the brick wall
    instantly pivoted to the "jet effect" theory to immediately explain away that which they previously believed to be true. To be a LNer is to believe the jet effect both exists and doesn't exist at the same time.

    To be a LNer is to believe that objects with greater mass do not produce greater momentum, which defies the laws of physics.
    It is a myth--

    Boring. And your answer does nothing for the fact that you require a bullet to do two contradictory things at once. Hey, did your little Mythbusters TV show explain the "jet effect" of skull pieces and effluence flying backwards and smacking Bobby Hargis
    in the face? Oh wait, you'll tell me the breakneck velocity of the limo's speed at the time supplanted the bullet's forward-thrusting impact. Naturally. Did Mythubsters also get around to explaining how an entrance wound in the throat could occur from
    behind? Or was that covered during the commercial break?


    If JFK's rearward movement is your best piece of evidence of a conspiracy, I can't wait to see
    what #2 is.i

    To be a LNer is to disbelieve the findings of the autopsy report, but believe its conclusions.

    No response I see. I guess you COULD wait to see what #2 was.


    Today, progressive leftists who want you to get the Covid jab will tell you to trust the doctors, because they are medical experts who know more than you. Then those same leftists will proclaim that doctors are "just guessing" a baby's gender when
    they're born, because doctors can't be trusted to know. In 1963 Land, LNers profess their trust in the medical experts who say alll the right things. But the dozens of them who attested to a large absence of bone and scalp in the occipital/parietal area
    were all mistaken.
    Leave it to a conspiracy hobbyist to try to change the subject when they get painted into a
    corner.

    I see Corbett the Patriot believes a large absence of bone and scalp in the occipital/parietal area constitutes "changing the subject." LNers, as we all know, see things differently from normal people.


    So my question is, why should I post three pieces of evidence to someone who believes that men can get pregnant?
    When did I say men could get pregnant. This is a feeble attempt by you to redirect the dialogue.

    If you'd comprehended the point I was making, you would have seen it wasn't a redirect of the dialogue at all. But LNers don't usually understand things not spoonfed directly to them.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Steven Galbraith@21:1/5 to David Drummond on Sat Aug 26 06:34:22 2023
    On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 10:23:14 PM UTC-4, David Drummond wrote:

    He thinks Trump of today is just like JFK in 1963. And vice versa. "They" assassinated JFK because he was a threat and they are assassinating, in a different way, Trump because he too is a threat.
    Not just a threat, but the *same kind* of threat. Peace over war, which starves the Military Industrial Complex. Both threatened to drain the swamp (though JFK used the words "shatter it into a thousand pieces and scatter it to the winds"). Both
    threatened to expose dark underbellies (recall JFK's speech about secret societies).

    The idea that JFK was opposed by the Establishment the way Trump is opposed is truly bizarre.
    Yeah, it's like impossible or something.

    The idea that indicting him is some type of "assassination" is even more bizarre. In fact, the "assassination" of Trump is helping him get the nomination.
    Is it? Because they're still trying to say the Constitution disqualifies him from running.

    These folks really do think there's a secret covert powerful "they" that controls things.
    Nonsense. Everything happens exactly the way my TV tells me it happened, and no one is ever lying about anything.

    The people who were in power in 1963 are all dead.
    "I killed a cockroach, that means there are no more cockroaches." - Steven Galbraith

    But another powerful group has replaced them.
    It's the same group, with different political leanings. In 1963 they were far-right fascists who killed a liberal; today they are far-left communists who are killing conservatives.

    And for whatever reason covering up the murder of JFK 60 years ago.
    For whatever reason!


    Including the media.

    We already covered this. The media doesn't lie. The media never lies. Fiery but mostly peaceful.
    Just one from me because we'll be going around in circles again. So, your argument is the same media that revealed the crimes of the CIA and FBI, the abuses by the "cockroaches" that you refer to also covered up for - lied - for them in their murder of
    JFK? They exposed these cockroaches, e.g. Cointelpro, the CIA Family Jewels, et cetera and they also cover up for them? For 60 years now? Is this your view?
    Who exposed the crimes/abuses by these cockroaches? Wasn't it the media? And government, e.g., Church Committee? But you think they also covered up for them? Do you think this makes any sense at all?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Gil Jesus@21:1/5 to David Drummond on Sat Aug 26 06:48:27 2023
    On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 9:17:39 AM UTC-4, David Drummond wrote:


    Because for instance, the brick wall believes that JFK's head was thrown forward due to a shot from behind, because that's what asshole Dan Rather told them. Then when the Z-film came out showing his head was in fact thrown back, the brick wall
    instantly pivoted to the "jet effect" theory to immediately explain away that which they previously believed to be true. To be a LNer is to believe the jet effect both exists and doesn't exist at the same time.

    The "jet effect" was debunked by me a long time ago.

    https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/jet-effect.mp4

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From David Drummond@21:1/5 to All on Sat Aug 26 07:04:04 2023

    Just one from me because we'll be going around in circles again. So, your argument is the same media that revealed the crimes of the CIA and FBI, the abuses by the "cockroaches" that you refer to also covered up for - lied - for them in their murder of
    JFK?

    Wait, what? I must have missed the news reports that have ever "revealed" the crimes of the CIA. Actually, literally WTF are you talking about?


    Who exposed the crimes/abuses by these cockroaches? Wasn't it the media?

    No, it's never an institution. It's usually individuals...who are swiftly dismissed as "kooks." Or, in 2023 parlance, "white supremacists."

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From John Corbett@21:1/5 to David Drummond on Sat Aug 26 07:15:08 2023
    On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 9:27:15 AM UTC-4, David Drummond wrote:


    Bugliosi never claimed to witness things related to the JFK assassination.
    Yet he has all the answers.

    Or should I say, all the answers you need to hear.
    You'll notice that unlike corrupt DAs like Bugliosi and plagiarists like Gerald Poseur, CTs and critics never profess to have all the answers.

    That's good because you don't seem to have any.

    Critics have only the gall to ask questions. But to "patriots" like John Corbett and other linear-thinking imbeciles, merely asking questions is crime enough.

    I guess it's unreasonable to ask the CTs to support their allegations.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From John Corbett@21:1/5 to David Drummond on Sat Aug 26 07:13:40 2023
    On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 9:25:08 AM UTC-4, David Drummond wrote:

    Bugliosi never claimed to witness things related to the JFK assassination.
    Yet he has all the answers.

    Because he looks at the evidence correctly.

    Or should I say, all the answers you need to hear.

    That is an accurate statement. It's accurate because he looks at the evidence correctly.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Gil Jesus@21:1/5 to Steven Galbraith on Sat Aug 26 07:12:50 2023
    On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 9:34:24 AM UTC-4, Steven Galbraith wrote:
    So, your argument is the same media that revealed the crimes of the CIA and FBI, the abuses by the "cockroaches" that you refer to also covered up for - lied - for them in their murder of JFK? They exposed these
    cockroaches, e.g. Cointelpro, the CIA Family Jewels, et cetera and they also cover up for them? For 60 years now? Is this your view?
    Who exposed the crimes/abuses by these cockroaches? Wasn't it the media? And government, e.g., Church Committee? But you think they also covered up for them? Do you think this makes any sense at all?

    Would you in your wildest dreams believe that the same deep state that exposed state-sponsored murder by US government agencies and that brought down Richard Nixon would now be party to hiding the fact that mandatory COVID-19 vaccines could kill your
    children ? That they could convince people to voluntarily allow them to inject them with a substance for which there is no data on its long-term effect ?
    I'm not anti-vax, but who would be so foolish to allow something to be injected into their body which they know nothing about ?
    And one which provides immunity only for its manufacturer ?

    Millions. I can't tell you how many people have admitted to me that, "If I knew then what I know now, I would have never taken it".
    And these same people claim they will not take any boosters.

    Like I've said, I'm not against vaccines that have been tested and approved, but It'll be a cold day in hell when I become a lab rat for the pharmecutical industry.

    Now people are suddenly dropping dead at rates never seen before.
    Wake the fuck up, professor.
    Your devotion to the deep state, no matter who is running it, touches my heart.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Gil Jesus@21:1/5 to John Corbett on Sat Aug 26 07:17:04 2023
    On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 10:13:42 AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    Because he looks at the evidence correctly.
    Or should I say, all the answers you need to hear.
    That is an accurate statement. It's accurate because he looks at the evidence correctly.

    Yeah, that Bugliosi has a history if looking at evidence correctly.
    Remember when he accused his milkman of fathering his son ?

    https://youtu.be/2wPIng0hGxQ

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From John Corbett@21:1/5 to Gil Jesus on Sat Aug 26 07:19:12 2023
    On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 9:48:29 AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 9:17:39 AM UTC-4, David Drummond wrote:


    Because for instance, the brick wall believes that JFK's head was thrown forward due to a shot from behind, because that's what asshole Dan Rather told them. Then when the Z-film came out showing his head was in fact thrown back, the brick wall
    instantly pivoted to the "jet effect" theory to immediately explain away that which they previously believed to be true. To be a LNer is to believe the jet effect both exists and doesn't exist at the same time.
    The "jet effect" was debunked by me a long time ago.

    https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/jet-effect.mp4

    The jet effect is real and demonstratable. However, it is unlikely it was the primary cause of
    JFK's dramatic lurch to the rear. Just as a frontal shot could not produce enough force to
    cause that movement, neither could the jet effect. The bullet does not produce enough energy
    to cause that movement no matter which direction the bullet was moving. Jet effect could have
    contributed to the backward movement, but the primary cause was likely a neuro-muscular
    reaction to JFK having his brains literally blown out.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Steven Galbraith@21:1/5 to Gil Jesus on Sat Aug 26 07:22:56 2023
    On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 10:12:51 AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 9:34:24 AM UTC-4, Steven Galbraith wrote:
    So, your argument is the same media that revealed the crimes of the CIA and FBI, the abuses by the "cockroaches" that you refer to also covered up for - lied - for them in their murder of JFK? They exposed these
    cockroaches, e.g. Cointelpro, the CIA Family Jewels, et cetera and they also cover up for them? For 60 years now? Is this your view?
    Who exposed the crimes/abuses by these cockroaches? Wasn't it the media? And government, e.g., Church Committee? But you think they also covered up for them? Do you think this makes any sense at all?
    Would you in your wildest dreams believe that the same deep state that exposed state-sponsored murder by US government agencies and that brought down Richard Nixon would now be party to hiding the fact that mandatory COVID-19 vaccines could kill your
    children ? That they could convince people to voluntarily allow them to inject them with a substance for which there is no data on its long-term effect ?
    I'm not anti-vax, but who would be so foolish to allow something to be injected into their body which they know nothing about ?
    And one which provides immunity only for its manufacturer ?

    Millions. I can't tell you how many people have admitted to me that, "If I knew then what I know now, I would have never taken it".
    And these same people claim they will not take any boosters.

    Like I've said, I'm not against vaccines that have been tested and approved, but It'll be a cold day in hell when I become a lab rat for the pharmecutical industry.

    Now people are suddenly dropping dead at rates never seen before.
    Wake the fuck up, professor.
    Your devotion to the deep state, no matter who is running it, touches my heart.
    I'll try again: Why would the media expose the crimes/abuses by the CIA/FBI and then cover up for their murder of JFK? Why expose one and not the other?
    Does that make any sense?
    Try answering that please and not give us/me all of this gibberish about the vaccines and pharmaceutical industry. For crissakes, the same evil people who made this supposed killer vaccine took the damned vaccine. And gave it to their families and their
    children. So they made a killer vaccine and took it themselves?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From John Corbett@21:1/5 to David Drummond on Sat Aug 26 07:29:43 2023
    On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 9:17:39 AM UTC-4, David Drummond wrote:


    Because for instance, the brick wall believes that JFK's head was thrown forward due to a shot from behind, because that's what asshole Dan Rather told them. Then when the Z-film came out showing his head was in fact thrown back, the brick wall
    instantly pivoted to the "jet effect" theory to immediately explain away that which they previously believed to be true. To be a LNer is to believe the jet effect both exists and doesn't exist at the same time.

    To be a LNer is to believe that objects with greater mass do not produce greater momentum, which defies the laws of physics.
    It is a myth--

    Boring.

    So now you're stealing a page from Yellowpanties. You delete the points for which you have no rebuttal.

    And your answer does nothing for the fact that you require a bullet to do two contradictory things at once. Hey, did your little Mythbusters TV show explain the "jet effect" of skull pieces and effluence flying backwards and smacking Bobby Hargis in
    the face?

    The blood and brains weren't flying backward. Hargis was moving forward and drive into the
    could of tissue.

    Oh wait, you'll tell me the breakneck velocity of the limo's speed at the time supplanted the bullet's forward-thrusting impact. Naturally.

    Naturally, you create strawman arguments because you can't refute what I actually said.

    Did Mythubsters also get around to explaining how an entrance wound in the throat could occur from behind? Or was that covered during the commercial break?

    Mythbusters wasn't even dealing with the JFK assassination. They had no agenda in that
    regard. They were demonstrating the physics of gunshots.

    As for an entrance wound in the throat, there was no such thing.

    If JFK's rearward movement is your best piece of evidence of a conspiracy, I can't wait to see
    what #2 is.i

    To be a LNer is to disbelieve the findings of the autopsy report, but believe its conclusions.
    No response I see. I guess you COULD wait to see what #2 was.

    Explain the difference between findings and conclusions.

    Today, progressive leftists who want you to get the Covid jab will tell you to trust the doctors, because they are medical experts who know more than you. Then those same leftists will proclaim that doctors are "just guessing" a baby's gender when
    they're born, because doctors can't be trusted to know. In 1963 Land, LNers profess their trust in the medical experts who say alll the right things. But the dozens of them who attested to a large absence of bone and scalp in the occipital/parietal area
    were all mistaken.
    Leave it to a conspiracy hobbyist to try to change the subject when they get painted into a
    corner.
    I see Corbett the Patriot believes a large absence of bone and scalp in the occipital/parietal area constitutes "changing the subject." LNers, as we all know, see things differently from normal people.

    The defect in the skull was chiefly parietal but extended in to the temporal and occipital regions.
    That means the blowout was along the upper right side of JFK's skull.

    So my question is, why should I post three pieces of evidence to someone who believes that men can get pregnant?
    When did I say men could get pregnant. This is a feeble attempt by you to redirect the dialogue.
    If you'd comprehended the point I was making,

    I didn't even comprehend you made a point.

    you would have seen it wasn't a redirect of the dialogue at all. But LNers don't usually understand things not spoonfed directly to them.

    I will admit to not understanding how CTs arrive at the nutty conclusions that they do.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From John Corbett@21:1/5 to Steven Galbraith on Sat Aug 26 07:31:25 2023
    On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 10:22:58 AM UTC-4, Steven Galbraith wrote:
    On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 10:12:51 AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 9:34:24 AM UTC-4, Steven Galbraith wrote:
    So, your argument is the same media that revealed the crimes of the CIA and FBI, the abuses by the "cockroaches" that you refer to also covered up for - lied - for them in their murder of JFK? They exposed these
    cockroaches, e.g. Cointelpro, the CIA Family Jewels, et cetera and they also cover up for them? For 60 years now? Is this your view?
    Who exposed the crimes/abuses by these cockroaches? Wasn't it the media? And government, e.g., Church Committee? But you think they also covered up for them? Do you think this makes any sense at all?
    Would you in your wildest dreams believe that the same deep state that exposed state-sponsored murder by US government agencies and that brought down Richard Nixon would now be party to hiding the fact that mandatory COVID-19 vaccines could kill your
    children ? That they could convince people to voluntarily allow them to inject them with a substance for which there is no data on its long-term effect ?
    I'm not anti-vax, but who would be so foolish to allow something to be injected into their body which they know nothing about ?
    And one which provides immunity only for its manufacturer ?

    Millions. I can't tell you how many people have admitted to me that, "If I knew then what I know now, I would have never taken it".
    And these same people claim they will not take any boosters.

    Like I've said, I'm not against vaccines that have been tested and approved, but It'll be a cold day in hell when I become a lab rat for the pharmecutical industry.

    Now people are suddenly dropping dead at rates never seen before.
    Wake the fuck up, professor.
    Your devotion to the deep state, no matter who is running it, touches my heart.
    I'll try again: Why would the media expose the crimes/abuses by the CIA/FBI and then cover up for their murder of JFK? Why expose one and not the other?
    Does that make any sense?
    Try answering that please and not give us/me all of this gibberish about the vaccines and pharmaceutical industry. For crissakes, the same evil people who made this supposed killer vaccine took the damned vaccine. And gave it to their families and
    their children. So they made a killer vaccine and took it themselves?

    Look for one of them to bring up Jim Jones's Kool-Aid.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Steven Galbraith@21:1/5 to John Corbett on Sat Aug 26 07:53:11 2023
    On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 10:31:27 AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 10:22:58 AM UTC-4, Steven Galbraith wrote:
    On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 10:12:51 AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 9:34:24 AM UTC-4, Steven Galbraith wrote:
    So, your argument is the same media that revealed the crimes of the CIA and FBI, the abuses by the "cockroaches" that you refer to also covered up for - lied - for them in their murder of JFK? They exposed these
    cockroaches, e.g. Cointelpro, the CIA Family Jewels, et cetera and they also cover up for them? For 60 years now? Is this your view?
    Who exposed the crimes/abuses by these cockroaches? Wasn't it the media? And government, e.g., Church Committee? But you think they also covered up for them? Do you think this makes any sense at all?
    Would you in your wildest dreams believe that the same deep state that exposed state-sponsored murder by US government agencies and that brought down Richard Nixon would now be party to hiding the fact that mandatory COVID-19 vaccines could kill
    your children ? That they could convince people to voluntarily allow them to inject them with a substance for which there is no data on its long-term effect ?
    I'm not anti-vax, but who would be so foolish to allow something to be injected into their body which they know nothing about ?
    And one which provides immunity only for its manufacturer ?

    Millions. I can't tell you how many people have admitted to me that, "If I knew then what I know now, I would have never taken it".
    And these same people claim they will not take any boosters.

    Like I've said, I'm not against vaccines that have been tested and approved, but It'll be a cold day in hell when I become a lab rat for the pharmecutical industry.

    Now people are suddenly dropping dead at rates never seen before.
    Wake the fuck up, professor.
    Your devotion to the deep state, no matter who is running it, touches my heart.
    I'll try again: Why would the media expose the crimes/abuses by the CIA/FBI and then cover up for their murder of JFK? Why expose one and not the other?
    Does that make any sense?
    Try answering that please and not give us/me all of this gibberish about the vaccines and pharmaceutical industry. For crissakes, the same evil people who made this supposed killer vaccine took the damned vaccine. And gave it to their families and
    their children. So they made a killer vaccine and took it themselves?
    Look for one of them to bring up Jim Jones's Kool-Aid.
    Or one will say there were "two" vaccines? Two Oswalds, two autopsies, two shooters: why not two vaccines? The killer one they gave us and a good one they took.
    Irony is that Trump takes credit for the vaccines, for pushing for them, "Operation Warp Speed". The same Trump they believe the "deep state"/Establishment wants to assassinate. Yes, Trump is secretly working for "them". Or I guess, they can say there
    are two Trumps? They sure do like to push the "twos" ideas.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From John Corbett@21:1/5 to Steven Galbraith on Sat Aug 26 08:24:46 2023
    On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 10:53:12 AM UTC-4, Steven Galbraith wrote:
    On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 10:31:27 AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 10:22:58 AM UTC-4, Steven Galbraith wrote:
    On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 10:12:51 AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 9:34:24 AM UTC-4, Steven Galbraith wrote:
    So, your argument is the same media that revealed the crimes of the CIA and FBI, the abuses by the "cockroaches" that you refer to also covered up for - lied - for them in their murder of JFK? They exposed these
    cockroaches, e.g. Cointelpro, the CIA Family Jewels, et cetera and they also cover up for them? For 60 years now? Is this your view?
    Who exposed the crimes/abuses by these cockroaches? Wasn't it the media? And government, e.g., Church Committee? But you think they also covered up for them? Do you think this makes any sense at all?
    Would you in your wildest dreams believe that the same deep state that exposed state-sponsored murder by US government agencies and that brought down Richard Nixon would now be party to hiding the fact that mandatory COVID-19 vaccines could kill
    your children ? That they could convince people to voluntarily allow them to inject them with a substance for which there is no data on its long-term effect ?
    I'm not anti-vax, but who would be so foolish to allow something to be injected into their body which they know nothing about ?
    And one which provides immunity only for its manufacturer ?

    Millions. I can't tell you how many people have admitted to me that, "If I knew then what I know now, I would have never taken it".
    And these same people claim they will not take any boosters.

    Like I've said, I'm not against vaccines that have been tested and approved, but It'll be a cold day in hell when I become a lab rat for the pharmecutical industry.

    Now people are suddenly dropping dead at rates never seen before.
    Wake the fuck up, professor.
    Your devotion to the deep state, no matter who is running it, touches my heart.
    I'll try again: Why would the media expose the crimes/abuses by the CIA/FBI and then cover up for their murder of JFK? Why expose one and not the other?
    Does that make any sense?
    Try answering that please and not give us/me all of this gibberish about the vaccines and pharmaceutical industry. For crissakes, the same evil people who made this supposed killer vaccine took the damned vaccine. And gave it to their families and
    their children. So they made a killer vaccine and took it themselves?
    Look for one of them to bring up Jim Jones's Kool-Aid.
    Or one will say there were "two" vaccines? Two Oswalds, two autopsies, two shooters: why not two vaccines? The killer one they gave us and a good one they took.
    Irony is that Trump takes credit for the vaccines, for pushing for them, "Operation Warp Speed". The same Trump they believe the "deep state"/Establishment wants to assassinate. Yes, Trump is secretly working for "them". Or I guess, they can say there
    are two Trumps? They sure do like to push the "twos" ideas.

    There is plenty of hypocrisy on both ends of the political spectrum when it comes to vaccines.
    The vaccine came out while Trump was still in office and rather than given him credit for cutting
    through the red tape, it was mostly the Democrats who were the anti-vaxxers. They weren't
    going to risk taking a vaccine that Trump had made available without the usually testing protocols.
    Then when Biden came to office, it was mostly those on the right who resisted taking the jab
    because it became Biden's vaccine.

    I think it's rather stupid to make healthcare decisions based on politics. I'm not going to listen to
    any of the talking heads on Fox, CNN, or MSNBC when deciding whether to get vaccinated or not.
    I listened to what my doctor had to say. I have no idea what his politics are. I just know I trust
    him and when he told me he thought I should get vaccinated, I listened to him. Could he be
    wrong. There's always that possibility but I like my odds better following his advice rather than
    ignoring it.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Chuck Schuyler@21:1/5 to Gil Jesus on Sat Aug 26 08:53:08 2023
    On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 9:17:06 AM UTC-5, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 10:13:42 AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    Because he looks at the evidence correctly.
    Or should I say, all the answers you need to hear.
    That is an accurate statement. It's accurate because he looks at the evidence correctly.

    Yeah, that Bugliosi has a history if looking at evidence correctly.

    Remember when he accused his milkman of fathering his son ?

    https://youtu.be/2wPIng0hGxQ

    Bugliosi apparently had some real skeletons in his closet regarding his personal behavior.

    So did JFK.

    Just curious, but what does Bugliosi's accusations about the milkman fathering his son have to do with his work regarding the JFK assassination?

    I'll answer for you: NOTHING.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Chuck Schuyler@21:1/5 to John Corbett on Sat Aug 26 09:00:43 2023
    On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 10:24:48 AM UTC-5, John Corbett wrote:
    On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 10:53:12 AM UTC-4, Steven Galbraith wrote:
    On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 10:31:27 AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 10:22:58 AM UTC-4, Steven Galbraith wrote:
    On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 10:12:51 AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 9:34:24 AM UTC-4, Steven Galbraith wrote:
    So, your argument is the same media that revealed the crimes of the CIA and FBI, the abuses by the "cockroaches" that you refer to also covered up for - lied - for them in their murder of JFK? They exposed these
    cockroaches, e.g. Cointelpro, the CIA Family Jewels, et cetera and they also cover up for them? For 60 years now? Is this your view?
    Who exposed the crimes/abuses by these cockroaches? Wasn't it the media? And government, e.g., Church Committee? But you think they also covered up for them? Do you think this makes any sense at all?
    Would you in your wildest dreams believe that the same deep state that exposed state-sponsored murder by US government agencies and that brought down Richard Nixon would now be party to hiding the fact that mandatory COVID-19 vaccines could
    kill your children ? That they could convince people to voluntarily allow them to inject them with a substance for which there is no data on its long-term effect ?
    I'm not anti-vax, but who would be so foolish to allow something to be injected into their body which they know nothing about ?
    And one which provides immunity only for its manufacturer ?

    Millions. I can't tell you how many people have admitted to me that, "If I knew then what I know now, I would have never taken it".
    And these same people claim they will not take any boosters.

    Like I've said, I'm not against vaccines that have been tested and approved, but It'll be a cold day in hell when I become a lab rat for the pharmecutical industry.

    Now people are suddenly dropping dead at rates never seen before. Wake the fuck up, professor.
    Your devotion to the deep state, no matter who is running it, touches my heart.
    I'll try again: Why would the media expose the crimes/abuses by the CIA/FBI and then cover up for their murder of JFK? Why expose one and not the other?
    Does that make any sense?
    Try answering that please and not give us/me all of this gibberish about the vaccines and pharmaceutical industry. For crissakes, the same evil people who made this supposed killer vaccine took the damned vaccine. And gave it to their families
    and their children. So they made a killer vaccine and took it themselves?
    Look for one of them to bring up Jim Jones's Kool-Aid.
    Or one will say there were "two" vaccines? Two Oswalds, two autopsies, two shooters: why not two vaccines? The killer one they gave us and a good one they took.
    Irony is that Trump takes credit for the vaccines, for pushing for them, "Operation Warp Speed". The same Trump they believe the "deep state"/Establishment wants to assassinate. Yes, Trump is secretly working for "them". Or I guess, they can say
    there are two Trumps? They sure do like to push the "twos" ideas.
    There is plenty of hypocrisy on both ends of the political spectrum when it comes to vaccines.
    The vaccine came out while Trump was still in office and rather than given him credit for cutting
    through the red tape, it was mostly the Democrats who were the anti-vaxxers. They weren't
    going to risk taking a vaccine that Trump had made available without the usually testing protocols.
    Then when Biden came to office, it was mostly those on the right who resisted taking the jab
    because it became Biden's vaccine.

    If I may point out one general difference there, I think those "on the right" started to look at the actual results of the vaccine (mixed; it certainly didn't STOP Covid, which was the original promised claim) and grew skeptical. This was due more to
    real-world experience and not just because it became Biden's vaccine. I had Covid and still took the jab when the vaccine became available. I haven't gotten any booster shot (and will not), and I've had Covid at least one other time since being
    vaccinated. The shot is more akin to a seasonal flu shot, and not a true vaccine. It should be optional. The left (now that Trump is gone) is "all in" on nonstop Covid vaccines forever. I still see people wearing masks in public, even when driving in
    their car or walking at a park, ALONE. I tell myself, "There goes a Democrat."

    I think it's rather stupid to make healthcare decisions based on politics. I'm not going to listen to
    any of the talking heads on Fox, CNN, or MSNBC when deciding whether to get vaccinated or not.
    I listened to what my doctor had to say. I have no idea what his politics are. I just know I trust
    him and when he told me he thought I should get vaccinated, I listened to him. Could he be
    wrong. There's always that possibility but I like my odds better following his advice rather than
    ignoring it.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Steven Galbraith@21:1/5 to John Corbett on Sat Aug 26 09:15:03 2023
    On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 11:24:48 AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 10:53:12 AM UTC-4, Steven Galbraith wrote:
    On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 10:31:27 AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 10:22:58 AM UTC-4, Steven Galbraith wrote:
    On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 10:12:51 AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 9:34:24 AM UTC-4, Steven Galbraith wrote:
    So, your argument is the same media that revealed the crimes of the CIA and FBI, the abuses by the "cockroaches" that you refer to also covered up for - lied - for them in their murder of JFK? They exposed these
    cockroaches, e.g. Cointelpro, the CIA Family Jewels, et cetera and they also cover up for them? For 60 years now? Is this your view?
    Who exposed the crimes/abuses by these cockroaches? Wasn't it the media? And government, e.g., Church Committee? But you think they also covered up for them? Do you think this makes any sense at all?
    Would you in your wildest dreams believe that the same deep state that exposed state-sponsored murder by US government agencies and that brought down Richard Nixon would now be party to hiding the fact that mandatory COVID-19 vaccines could
    kill your children ? That they could convince people to voluntarily allow them to inject them with a substance for which there is no data on its long-term effect ?
    I'm not anti-vax, but who would be so foolish to allow something to be injected into their body which they know nothing about ?
    And one which provides immunity only for its manufacturer ?

    Millions. I can't tell you how many people have admitted to me that, "If I knew then what I know now, I would have never taken it".
    And these same people claim they will not take any boosters.

    Like I've said, I'm not against vaccines that have been tested and approved, but It'll be a cold day in hell when I become a lab rat for the pharmecutical industry.

    Now people are suddenly dropping dead at rates never seen before. Wake the fuck up, professor.
    Your devotion to the deep state, no matter who is running it, touches my heart.
    I'll try again: Why would the media expose the crimes/abuses by the CIA/FBI and then cover up for their murder of JFK? Why expose one and not the other?
    Does that make any sense?
    Try answering that please and not give us/me all of this gibberish about the vaccines and pharmaceutical industry. For crissakes, the same evil people who made this supposed killer vaccine took the damned vaccine. And gave it to their families
    and their children. So they made a killer vaccine and took it themselves?
    Look for one of them to bring up Jim Jones's Kool-Aid.
    Or one will say there were "two" vaccines? Two Oswalds, two autopsies, two shooters: why not two vaccines? The killer one they gave us and a good one they took.
    Irony is that Trump takes credit for the vaccines, for pushing for them, "Operation Warp Speed". The same Trump they believe the "deep state"/Establishment wants to assassinate. Yes, Trump is secretly working for "them". Or I guess, they can say
    there are two Trumps? They sure do like to push the "twos" ideas.
    There is plenty of hypocrisy on both ends of the political spectrum when it comes to vaccines.
    The vaccine came out while Trump was still in office and rather than given him credit for cutting
    through the red tape, it was mostly the Democrats who were the anti-vaxxers. They weren't
    going to risk taking a vaccine that Trump had made available without the usually testing protocols.
    Then when Biden came to office, it was mostly those on the right who resisted taking the jab
    because it became Biden's vaccine.

    I think it's rather stupid to make healthcare decisions based on politics. I'm not going to listen to
    any of the talking heads on Fox, CNN, or MSNBC when deciding whether to get vaccinated or not.
    I listened to what my doctor had to say. I have no idea what his politics are. I just know I trust
    him and when he told me he thought I should get vaccinated, I listened to him. Could he be
    wrong. There's always that possibility but I like my odds better following his advice rather than
    ignoring it.
    I think that's mostly true but the idea/claim that the creators of the vaccine knew it will kill us, that it will give us heart problems, but took it themselves is silly. These conspiracists see evil forces lurking everywhere - in the government, in the
    media, even here (that's you <g> not me). It's why when they talk about non-assassination issues they are just flat out illogical. The assassination is just one more event they see where these dark forces control the world. It's silly.
    Again: the claim is the same media that exposed the abuses by these dark forces that conspiracists mention also covered up for their murder of JFK? Why would they both expose their crimes *and* cover up for them? Did the CIA order them (Operation
    Mockingbird) to coverup the assassination but gave them a green light on everything else? It's how conspiracy believers have to argue both "A" and not "A" in order for their conspiracy to work.
    Oswald took his rifle, got tragically lucky and killed JFK. He left the building and then shot Tippit. Why? Probably a mix of personal and political reasons but he probably couldn't explan it either. People want - need - it to be more - but it's not.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From John Corbett@21:1/5 to Chuck Schuyler on Sat Aug 26 10:09:53 2023
    On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 12:00:45 PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 10:24:48 AM UTC-5, John Corbett wrote:
    On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 10:53:12 AM UTC-4, Steven Galbraith wrote:
    On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 10:31:27 AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 10:22:58 AM UTC-4, Steven Galbraith wrote:
    On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 10:12:51 AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 9:34:24 AM UTC-4, Steven Galbraith wrote:
    So, your argument is the same media that revealed the crimes of the CIA and FBI, the abuses by the "cockroaches" that you refer to also covered up for - lied - for them in their murder of JFK? They exposed these
    cockroaches, e.g. Cointelpro, the CIA Family Jewels, et cetera and they also cover up for them? For 60 years now? Is this your view?
    Who exposed the crimes/abuses by these cockroaches? Wasn't it the media? And government, e.g., Church Committee? But you think they also covered up for them? Do you think this makes any sense at all?
    Would you in your wildest dreams believe that the same deep state that exposed state-sponsored murder by US government agencies and that brought down Richard Nixon would now be party to hiding the fact that mandatory COVID-19 vaccines could
    kill your children ? That they could convince people to voluntarily allow them to inject them with a substance for which there is no data on its long-term effect ?
    I'm not anti-vax, but who would be so foolish to allow something to be injected into their body which they know nothing about ?
    And one which provides immunity only for its manufacturer ?

    Millions. I can't tell you how many people have admitted to me that, "If I knew then what I know now, I would have never taken it".
    And these same people claim they will not take any boosters.

    Like I've said, I'm not against vaccines that have been tested and approved, but It'll be a cold day in hell when I become a lab rat for the pharmecutical industry.

    Now people are suddenly dropping dead at rates never seen before. Wake the fuck up, professor.
    Your devotion to the deep state, no matter who is running it, touches my heart.
    I'll try again: Why would the media expose the crimes/abuses by the CIA/FBI and then cover up for their murder of JFK? Why expose one and not the other?
    Does that make any sense?
    Try answering that please and not give us/me all of this gibberish about the vaccines and pharmaceutical industry. For crissakes, the same evil people who made this supposed killer vaccine took the damned vaccine. And gave it to their families
    and their children. So they made a killer vaccine and took it themselves?
    Look for one of them to bring up Jim Jones's Kool-Aid.
    Or one will say there were "two" vaccines? Two Oswalds, two autopsies, two shooters: why not two vaccines? The killer one they gave us and a good one they took.
    Irony is that Trump takes credit for the vaccines, for pushing for them, "Operation Warp Speed". The same Trump they believe the "deep state"/Establishment wants to assassinate. Yes, Trump is secretly working for "them". Or I guess, they can say
    there are two Trumps? They sure do like to push the "twos" ideas.
    There is plenty of hypocrisy on both ends of the political spectrum when it comes to vaccines.
    The vaccine came out while Trump was still in office and rather than given him credit for cutting
    through the red tape, it was mostly the Democrats who were the anti-vaxxers. They weren't
    going to risk taking a vaccine that Trump had made available without the usually testing protocols.
    Then when Biden came to office, it was mostly those on the right who resisted taking the jab
    because it became Biden's vaccine.
    If I may point out one general difference there, I think those "on the right" started to look at the actual results of the vaccine (mixed; it certainly didn't STOP Covid, which was the original promised claim) and grew skeptical.

    I never understood that to be the case. I know those pushing the vaccine mandates were trying to sell it that way, but I always thought the purpose of the vaccine was to prevent you from
    developing a life threatening illness if you did get the virus. That is why I got it and get boosted every 6 months. I have suffered no ill effects and for all I know it has saved my life. I check all the high risk boxes and it's very possible I have
    contracted the virus and been asymptomatic.
    I might have spread the virus to others as well. That is not my concern. It is up to the person
    to whom I spread it to deal with that. If they chose not to get vaccinated, that's not something
    I'm going to lose sleep over.

    This was due more to real-world experience and not just because it became Biden's vaccine. I had Covid and still took the jab when the vaccine became available. I haven't gotten any booster shot (and will not), and I've had Covid at least one other
    time since being vaccinated. The shot is more akin to a seasonal flu shot, and not a true vaccine. It should be optional.

    Agreed. I've never supported mandates. I'll make the decision I think is best for me and others
    should be allowed to do the same.

    The left (now that Trump is gone) is "all in" on nonstop Covid vaccines forever. I still see people wearing masks in public, even when driving in their car or walking at a park, ALONE. I tell myself, "There goes a Democrat."

    I chuckle at the people still wearing the face diapers but I don't care if it's a Democrat or
    Republican pushing the virus. I listen to my doctor and I don't know what his politics are nor
    do I care.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From John Corbett@21:1/5 to Steven Galbraith on Sat Aug 26 10:28:48 2023
    On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 12:15:05 PM UTC-4, Steven Galbraith wrote:
    On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 11:24:48 AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 10:53:12 AM UTC-4, Steven Galbraith wrote:
    On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 10:31:27 AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 10:22:58 AM UTC-4, Steven Galbraith wrote:
    On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 10:12:51 AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 9:34:24 AM UTC-4, Steven Galbraith wrote:
    So, your argument is the same media that revealed the crimes of the CIA and FBI, the abuses by the "cockroaches" that you refer to also covered up for - lied - for them in their murder of JFK? They exposed these
    cockroaches, e.g. Cointelpro, the CIA Family Jewels, et cetera and they also cover up for them? For 60 years now? Is this your view?
    Who exposed the crimes/abuses by these cockroaches? Wasn't it the media? And government, e.g., Church Committee? But you think they also covered up for them? Do you think this makes any sense at all?
    Would you in your wildest dreams believe that the same deep state that exposed state-sponsored murder by US government agencies and that brought down Richard Nixon would now be party to hiding the fact that mandatory COVID-19 vaccines could
    kill your children ? That they could convince people to voluntarily allow them to inject them with a substance for which there is no data on its long-term effect ?
    I'm not anti-vax, but who would be so foolish to allow something to be injected into their body which they know nothing about ?
    And one which provides immunity only for its manufacturer ?

    Millions. I can't tell you how many people have admitted to me that, "If I knew then what I know now, I would have never taken it".
    And these same people claim they will not take any boosters.

    Like I've said, I'm not against vaccines that have been tested and approved, but It'll be a cold day in hell when I become a lab rat for the pharmecutical industry.

    Now people are suddenly dropping dead at rates never seen before. Wake the fuck up, professor.
    Your devotion to the deep state, no matter who is running it, touches my heart.
    I'll try again: Why would the media expose the crimes/abuses by the CIA/FBI and then cover up for their murder of JFK? Why expose one and not the other?
    Does that make any sense?
    Try answering that please and not give us/me all of this gibberish about the vaccines and pharmaceutical industry. For crissakes, the same evil people who made this supposed killer vaccine took the damned vaccine. And gave it to their families
    and their children. So they made a killer vaccine and took it themselves?
    Look for one of them to bring up Jim Jones's Kool-Aid.
    Or one will say there were "two" vaccines? Two Oswalds, two autopsies, two shooters: why not two vaccines? The killer one they gave us and a good one they took.
    Irony is that Trump takes credit for the vaccines, for pushing for them, "Operation Warp Speed". The same Trump they believe the "deep state"/Establishment wants to assassinate. Yes, Trump is secretly working for "them". Or I guess, they can say
    there are two Trumps? They sure do like to push the "twos" ideas.
    There is plenty of hypocrisy on both ends of the political spectrum when it comes to vaccines.
    The vaccine came out while Trump was still in office and rather than given him credit for cutting
    through the red tape, it was mostly the Democrats who were the anti-vaxxers. They weren't
    going to risk taking a vaccine that Trump had made available without the usually testing protocols.
    Then when Biden came to office, it was mostly those on the right who resisted taking the jab
    because it became Biden's vaccine.

    I think it's rather stupid to make healthcare decisions based on politics. I'm not going to listen to
    any of the talking heads on Fox, CNN, or MSNBC when deciding whether to get vaccinated or not.
    I listened to what my doctor had to say. I have no idea what his politics are. I just know I trust
    him and when he told me he thought I should get vaccinated, I listened to him. Could he be
    wrong. There's always that possibility but I like my odds better following his advice rather than
    ignoring it.
    I think that's mostly true but the idea/claim that the creators of the vaccine knew it will kill us, that it will give us heart problems, but took it themselves is silly. These conspiracists see evil forces lurking everywhere - in the government, in
    the media, even here (that's you <g> not me). It's why when they talk about non-assassination issues they are just flat out illogical. The assassination is just one more event they see where these dark forces control the world. It's silly.
    Again: the claim is the same media that exposed the abuses by these dark forces that conspiracists mention also covered up for their murder of JFK? Why would they both expose their crimes *and* cover up for them? Did the CIA order them (Operation
    Mockingbird) to coverup the assassination but gave them a green light on everything else? It's how conspiracy believers have to argue both "A" and not "A" in order for their conspiracy to work.
    Oswald took his rifle, got tragically lucky and killed JFK. He left the building and then shot Tippit. Why? Probably a mix of personal and political reasons but he probably couldn't explan it either. People want - need - it to be more - but it's not.

    I've never seen a correlation between a person's political beliefs and their propensity to buy
    into conspiracy theories. Conspiracy theorists come in all political stripes. There's no question
    conspiracies exist. Watergate was a conspiracy. The Lincoln assassination was a conspiracy.
    Evidence of those was uncovered in a short period of time. To me a conspiracy theorist is
    somebody who immediately assumes a conspiracy is in play without any evidence of such.
    These people assume THEY are out to get us. THEY killed JFK. THEY faked the moon landings.
    THEY blew up the towers on 9/11. The funniest thing is that THEY rigged the presidential
    elections in 2000, 2004, 2016, and 2020. I guess THEY can't make up their minds as to which
    party THEY want in power.

    I'll admit to occasionally being taken in by conspiracy theories. I briefly bought into the JFK
    assassination conspiracy theories. In 2020, I briefly believe in the stories about Democrats
    stealing the five states they flipped from 2016. I became suspicious when I heard the Trumpers
    claiming Dominion voting machines had stolen the state of Georgia for Biden. I had heard the
    same crap in 2004 from the Democrats about the election machines in Ohio that they claimed
    stole the state and the election for Bush. At the time, I was a poll worker and knew there how
    the machines worked, how they got programmed, and the safeguards that are in place to
    prevent fraud. I assume Georgia has similar safeguards. I have no doubt the Democrats pulled
    some shenanigans. They always do. I just don't believe they made a difference in a single state,
    much less five. The Republicans would have had to win three of those five flipped states for
    Trump prevail and there is no way that happened.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From David Drummond@21:1/5 to All on Sat Aug 26 12:58:33 2023

    If you'd comprehended the point I was making,
    I didn't even comprehend you made a point.

    That's evident, but thank you for opening your mouth and removing all doubt.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From David Drummond@21:1/5 to All on Sat Aug 26 12:57:25 2023

    Because he looks at the evidence correctly.
    Or should I say, all the answers you need to hear.
    That is an accurate statement. It's accurate because he looks at the evidence correctly.
    Yeah, that Bugliosi has a history if looking at evidence correctly.
    Remember when he accused his milkman of fathering his son ?

    https://youtu.be/2wPIng0hGxQ

    After reading "Chaos" by Tom O'Neill I'm more than a little convinced that Bugliosi was a planted Intelligence asset. Naturally the LNers will scoff at that idea, but remember conservatives like Chuck and Bud believe half the District Attorneys in the
    United States are planted Soros assets, and why is that any less crazy?

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  • From Steven Galbraith@21:1/5 to David Drummond on Sat Aug 26 13:10:59 2023
    On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 3:57:27 PM UTC-4, David Drummond wrote:

    Because he looks at the evidence correctly.
    Or should I say, all the answers you need to hear.
    That is an accurate statement. It's accurate because he looks at the evidence correctly.
    Yeah, that Bugliosi has a history if looking at evidence correctly. Remember when he accused his milkman of fathering his son ?

    https://youtu.be/2wPIng0hGxQ
    After reading "Chaos" by Tom O'Neill I'm more than a little convinced that Bugliosi was a planted Intelligence asset. Naturally the LNers will scoff at that idea, but remember conservatives like Chuck and Bud believe half the District Attorneys in the
    United States are planted Soros assets, and why is that any less crazy?
    You think that Bugliosi, a self-described liberal Democrat (he detested Bush Jr.) would align with right wing neo-fascists who murdered JFK? And he would do this for what reason?
    As for Soros: he gave millions to the campaigns of progressive candidates for DA offices. Nothing covert about it. They're not "agents" for Soros; they just have similar views on crime. Nothing sinister or secret about it.

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  • From John Corbett@21:1/5 to David Drummond on Sat Aug 26 15:10:42 2023
    On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 3:57:27 PM UTC-4, David Drummond wrote:

    Because he looks at the evidence correctly.
    Or should I say, all the answers you need to hear.
    That is an accurate statement. It's accurate because he looks at the evidence correctly.
    Yeah, that Bugliosi has a history if looking at evidence correctly. Remember when he accused his milkman of fathering his son ?

    https://youtu.be/2wPIng0hGxQ
    After reading "Chaos" by Tom O'Neill I'm more than a little convinced that Bugliosi was a planted Intelligence asset. Naturally the LNers will scoff at that idea,

    Of course we will because it's a stupid idea.

    but remember conservatives like Chuck and Bud believe half the District Attorneys in the United States are planted Soros assets, and why is that any less crazy?

    I don't know what the actual percentage is but there are a lot of George Soros backed Democrat
    prosecutors who got elected in some of our biggest cities and the result is crime is now out
    of control. New York, Philadelphia, Chicago, Los Angeles. All Soros puppets and criminals now
    know they can commit their crimes with impunity. The people who elected those scumbags
    deserve everything bad that happens to them. I now laugh when I read about the rampant
    crime there. When I read about a victim, I just say to myself, odds are he voted for the Soros
    candidate and I don't feel an ounce of remorse for them.

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  • From David Drummond@21:1/5 to All on Sat Aug 26 17:42:24 2023

    I don't know what the actual percentage is but there are a lot of George Soros backed Democrat
    prosecutors who got elected in some of our biggest cities and the result is crime is now out
    of control. New York, Philadelphia, Chicago, Los Angeles. All Soros puppets and criminals now
    know they can commit their crimes with impunity. The people who elected those scumbags
    deserve everything bad that happens to them. I now laugh when I read about the rampant
    crime there. When I read about a victim, I just say to myself, odds are he voted for the Soros
    candidate and I don't feel an ounce of remorse for them.

    Not that I disagree with most of this, but...you have to realize that what you wrote sounds just as dumb to many people as "Bugliosi might be a CIA asset" sounds to you. Don't think you're above JFK assassination CTers, because you don't have nearly as
    much figured out as you think you do.

    I don't know if Bugliosi was a CIA asset. What I'm saying is if it's true, I would not be at all surprised.

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  • From John Corbett@21:1/5 to David Drummond on Sun Aug 27 03:32:26 2023
    On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 8:42:25 PM UTC-4, David Drummond wrote:

    I don't know what the actual percentage is but there are a lot of George Soros backed Democrat
    prosecutors who got elected in some of our biggest cities and the result is crime is now out
    of control. New York, Philadelphia, Chicago, Los Angeles. All Soros puppets and criminals now
    know they can commit their crimes with impunity. The people who elected those scumbags
    deserve everything bad that happens to them. I now laugh when I read about the rampant
    crime there. When I read about a victim, I just say to myself, odds are he voted for the Soros
    candidate and I don't feel an ounce of remorse for them.
    Not that I disagree with most of this, but...you have to realize that what you wrote sounds just as dumb to many people as "Bugliosi might be a CIA asset" sounds to you. Don't think you're above JFK assassination CTers, because you don't have nearly as
    much figured out as you think you do.

    I don't know if Bugliosi was a CIA asset. What I'm saying is if it's true, I would not be at all surprised.

    I figured out a long time ago Oswald was the assassin and there isn't a doubt in my mind about
    that. I'm also aware that there isn't a scrap of compelling evidence he had even a single
    accomplice. What I can't figure out is how people can look at the evidence and have any doubt
    that Oswald fired the shots that killed JFK. If people want to postulate he was acting on behalf
    of others, then they should present their case with real evidence, not speculation. Anyone who
    still argues Oswald did not fire the shots is simply not a person who should be taken seriously.

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  • From Chuck Schuyler@21:1/5 to David Drummond on Sun Aug 27 09:13:53 2023
    On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 2:57:27 PM UTC-5, David Drummond wrote:

    Because he looks at the evidence correctly.
    Or should I say, all the answers you need to hear.
    That is an accurate statement. It's accurate because he looks at the evidence correctly.
    Yeah, that Bugliosi has a history if looking at evidence correctly. Remember when he accused his milkman of fathering his son ?

    https://youtu.be/2wPIng0hGxQ

    After reading "Chaos" by Tom O'Neill I'm more than a little convinced that Bugliosi was a planted Intelligence asset.

    Oh, c'mon.

    Naturally the LNers will scoff at that idea, but remember conservatives like Chuck and Bud believe half the District Attorneys in the United States are planted Soros assets, and why is that any less crazy?

    Where did I ever write that? It's true that Soros is giving scads of cash to elect these liberal D.A.s, but it's because of similar views on being lax on crime. The Left apparently wants more crime, the Right does not. The Left is simultaneously against
    guns but is okay with light sentences if you commit crimes with guns. Hard to figure. So far, the majority of voters like Don Willis and David Healy (who are Lefties) in Blue states are voting for this approach.

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  • From John Corbett@21:1/5 to Chuck Schuyler on Sun Aug 27 09:41:33 2023
    On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 12:13:55 PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 2:57:27 PM UTC-5, David Drummond wrote:

    Because he looks at the evidence correctly.
    Or should I say, all the answers you need to hear.
    That is an accurate statement. It's accurate because he looks at the evidence correctly.
    Yeah, that Bugliosi has a history if looking at evidence correctly. Remember when he accused his milkman of fathering his son ?

    https://youtu.be/2wPIng0hGxQ

    After reading "Chaos" by Tom O'Neill I'm more than a little convinced that Bugliosi was a planted Intelligence asset.
    Oh, c'mon.
    Naturally the LNers will scoff at that idea, but remember conservatives like Chuck and Bud believe half the District Attorneys in the United States are planted Soros assets, and why is that any less crazy?
    Where did I ever write that? It's true that Soros is giving scads of cash to elect these liberal D.A.s, but it's because of similar views on being lax on crime. The Left apparently wants more crime, the Right does not. The Left is simultaneously
    against guns but is okay with light sentences if you commit crimes with guns. Hard to figure. So far, the majority of voters like Don Willis and David Healy (who are Lefties) in Blue states are voting for this approach.

    We need our guns now more than ever. If these liberal prosecutors aren't going to jail the bastards,
    The good guys are going to be forced to shoot them. One way or another, we are going to have
    to protect ourselves from the scum. It would be better if they were thrown in jail, but putting
    them in the cemetery works too.

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  • From David Drummond@21:1/5 to All on Sun Aug 27 13:41:39 2023

    The good guys are going to be forced to shoot them. One way or another, we are going to have
    to protect ourselves from the scum. It would be better if they were thrown in jail, but putting
    them in the cemetery works too.

    lol, if this post doesn't glow in the dark I don't know what does.

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  • From David Drummond@21:1/5 to All on Mon Aug 28 09:02:03 2023

    It's true that Soros is giving scads of cash to elect these liberal D.A.s, but it's because of similar views on being lax on crime.

    So this is what I want you to understand....you don't actually KNOW this for a fact. You believe it, and you are so certain in your conviction that in your mind it has just been assumed to be fact. And maybe it is a fact. But you don't KNOW it. You have
    no EVIDENCE of it. In fact, you have less evidence of this than a conspiracy to assassinate JFK. And if I were a pro-Soros (aka, Lone Nut) imbecile I'd be proclaiming that this statement of yours is a logical fallacy, you are begging the question, and
    that you are a kook (I'd also call you an anti-Semite to shut down your argument).

    Certainly no major media outlet in the country would take your position over mine in that matter.

    And so there you would have it....the "historically accepted narrative."

    I know you're a conservative and so now I hope you understand the point I was making with this thread. But you're also a LNer, so I know you don't understand it.

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  • From John Corbett@21:1/5 to David Drummond on Mon Aug 28 09:39:42 2023
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 12:02:06 PM UTC-4, David Drummond wrote:

    It's true that Soros is giving scads of cash to elect these liberal D.A.s, but it's because of similar views on being lax on crime.
    So this is what I want you to understand....you don't actually KNOW this for a fact. You believe it, and you are so certain in your conviction that in your mind it has just been assumed to be fact.

    Well, DUH!!!

    And maybe it is a fact. But you don't KNOW it. You have no EVIDENCE of it. In fact, you have less evidence of this than a conspiracy to assassinate JFK. And if I were a pro-Soros (aka, Lone Nut) imbecile I'd be proclaiming that this statement of yours
    is a logical fallacy, you are begging the question, and that you are a kook (I'd also call you an anti-Semite to shut down your argument).

    There are some things that are intuitively obvious. This is one of them.

    Certainly no major media outlet in the country would take your position over mine in that matter.

    And so there you would have it....the "historically accepted narrative."

    I know you're a conservative and so now I hope you understand the point I was making with this thread. But you're also a LNer, so I know you don't understand it.

    We understand that Oswald murder JFK and officer Tippit. We wonder why after all these years,
    the CTs still can't figure it out.

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  • From David Drummond@21:1/5 to John Corbett on Mon Aug 28 09:46:10 2023
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 12:39:44 PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 12:02:06 PM UTC-4, David Drummond wrote:

    It's true that Soros is giving scads of cash to elect these liberal D.A.s, but it's because of similar views on being lax on crime.
    So this is what I want you to understand....you don't actually KNOW this for a fact. You believe it, and you are so certain in your conviction that in your mind it has just been assumed to be fact.
    Well, DUH!!!
    And maybe it is a fact. But you don't KNOW it. You have no EVIDENCE of it. In fact, you have less evidence of this than a conspiracy to assassinate JFK. And if I were a pro-Soros (aka, Lone Nut) imbecile I'd be proclaiming that this statement of
    yours is a logical fallacy, you are begging the question, and that you are a kook (I'd also call you an anti-Semite to shut down your argument).
    There are some things that are intuitively obvious. This is one of them.

    Certainly no major media outlet in the country would take your position over mine in that matter.

    And so there you would have it....the "historically accepted narrative."

    I know you're a conservative and so now I hope you understand the point I was making with this thread. But you're also a LNer, so I know you don't understand it.
    We understand that Oswald murder JFK and officer Tippit. We wonder why after all these years,
    the CTs still can't figure it out.

    Fuck off, Ray Epps.

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  • From John Corbett@21:1/5 to David Drummond on Mon Aug 28 09:53:16 2023
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 12:46:12 PM UTC-4, David Drummond wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 12:39:44 PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 12:02:06 PM UTC-4, David Drummond wrote:

    It's true that Soros is giving scads of cash to elect these liberal D.A.s, but it's because of similar views on being lax on crime.
    So this is what I want you to understand....you don't actually KNOW this for a fact. You believe it, and you are so certain in your conviction that in your mind it has just been assumed to be fact.
    Well, DUH!!!
    And maybe it is a fact. But you don't KNOW it. You have no EVIDENCE of it. In fact, you have less evidence of this than a conspiracy to assassinate JFK. And if I were a pro-Soros (aka, Lone Nut) imbecile I'd be proclaiming that this statement of
    yours is a logical fallacy, you are begging the question, and that you are a kook (I'd also call you an anti-Semite to shut down your argument).
    There are some things that are intuitively obvious. This is one of them.

    Certainly no major media outlet in the country would take your position over mine in that matter.

    And so there you would have it....the "historically accepted narrative."

    I know you're a conservative and so now I hope you understand the point I was making with this thread. But you're also a LNer, so I know you don't understand it.
    We understand that Oswald murder JFK and officer Tippit. We wonder why after all these years,
    the CTs still can't figure it out.
    Fuck off, Ray Epps.

    Who the fuck is Ray Epps?

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  • From Steven Galbraith@21:1/5 to John Corbett on Mon Aug 28 10:13:52 2023
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 12:39:44 PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 12:02:06 PM UTC-4, David Drummond wrote:

    It's true that Soros is giving scads of cash to elect these liberal D.A.s, but it's because of similar views on being lax on crime.
    So this is what I want you to understand....you don't actually KNOW this for a fact. You believe it, and you are so certain in your conviction that in your mind it has just been assumed to be fact.
    Well, DUH!!!
    And maybe it is a fact. But you don't KNOW it. You have no EVIDENCE of it. In fact, you have less evidence of this than a conspiracy to assassinate JFK. And if I were a pro-Soros (aka, Lone Nut) imbecile I'd be proclaiming that this statement of
    yours is a logical fallacy, you are begging the question, and that you are a kook (I'd also call you an anti-Semite to shut down your argument).
    There are some things that are intuitively obvious. This is one of them.

    Certainly no major media outlet in the country would take your position over mine in that matter.

    And so there you would have it....the "historically accepted narrative."

    I know you're a conservative and so now I hope you understand the point I was making with this thread. But you're also a LNer, so I know you don't understand it.
    We understand that Oswald murder JFK and officer Tippit. We wonder why after all these years,
    the CTs still can't figure it out.
    Soros has explained numerous times - he's quite open about it - why he supports these so-called progressive/reform prosecutors. It's not a secret. We're not assuming things or guessing about it.
    Here: https://www.georgesoros.com/2022/07/31/why-i-support-reform-prosecutors/ or here: https://nypost.com/2022/08/01/george-soros-vows-to-keep-backing-woke-das-despite-urban-crime-spikes/
    In this world it's called evidence.

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  • From David Drummond@21:1/5 to Steven Galbraith on Mon Aug 28 10:21:46 2023
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 1:13:54 PM UTC-4, Steven Galbraith wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 12:39:44 PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 12:02:06 PM UTC-4, David Drummond wrote:

    It's true that Soros is giving scads of cash to elect these liberal D.A.s, but it's because of similar views on being lax on crime.
    So this is what I want you to understand....you don't actually KNOW this for a fact. You believe it, and you are so certain in your conviction that in your mind it has just been assumed to be fact.
    Well, DUH!!!
    And maybe it is a fact. But you don't KNOW it. You have no EVIDENCE of it. In fact, you have less evidence of this than a conspiracy to assassinate JFK. And if I were a pro-Soros (aka, Lone Nut) imbecile I'd be proclaiming that this statement of
    yours is a logical fallacy, you are begging the question, and that you are a kook (I'd also call you an anti-Semite to shut down your argument).
    There are some things that are intuitively obvious. This is one of them.

    Certainly no major media outlet in the country would take your position over mine in that matter.

    And so there you would have it....the "historically accepted narrative."

    I know you're a conservative and so now I hope you understand the point I was making with this thread. But you're also a LNer, so I know you don't understand it.
    We understand that Oswald murder JFK and officer Tippit. We wonder why after all these years,
    the CTs still can't figure it out.
    Soros has explained numerous times - he's quite open about it - why he supports these so-called progressive/reform prosecutors. It's not a secret. We're not assuming things or guessing about it.
    Here: https://www.georgesoros.com/2022/07/31/why-i-support-reform-prosecutors/
    or here: https://nypost.com/2022/08/01/george-soros-vows-to-keep-backing-woke-das-despite-urban-crime-spikes/
    In this world it's called evidence.

    Henry Seinzant is very clear in his assertion that newspaper articles are NOT evidence. Show me paper trails.

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  • From Chuck Schuyler@21:1/5 to John Corbett on Mon Aug 28 10:52:22 2023
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 11:53:18 AM UTC-5, John Corbett wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 12:46:12 PM UTC-4, David Drummond wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 12:39:44 PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 12:02:06 PM UTC-4, David Drummond wrote:

    It's true that Soros is giving scads of cash to elect these liberal D.A.s, but it's because of similar views on being lax on crime.
    So this is what I want you to understand....you don't actually KNOW this for a fact. You believe it, and you are so certain in your conviction that in your mind it has just been assumed to be fact.
    Well, DUH!!!
    And maybe it is a fact. But you don't KNOW it. You have no EVIDENCE of it. In fact, you have less evidence of this than a conspiracy to assassinate JFK. And if I were a pro-Soros (aka, Lone Nut) imbecile I'd be proclaiming that this statement of
    yours is a logical fallacy, you are begging the question, and that you are a kook (I'd also call you an anti-Semite to shut down your argument).
    There are some things that are intuitively obvious. This is one of them.

    Certainly no major media outlet in the country would take your position over mine in that matter.

    And so there you would have it....the "historically accepted narrative."

    I know you're a conservative and so now I hope you understand the point I was making with this thread. But you're also a LNer, so I know you don't understand it.
    We understand that Oswald murder JFK and officer Tippit. We wonder why after all these years,
    the CTs still can't figure it out.
    Fuck off, Ray Epps.

    Who the fuck is Ray Epps?

    He's the guy clearly egging people on during the January 6th protests to enter the Capitol building (but he personally doesn't trespass or damage the grounds, etc.). Suspicious behavior. For some weird reason, the FBI hasn't arrested him as an "
    insurrectionist," but anyone else they could possibly track down and locate has had jail time. Not this guy.

    Not sure why Boris the Truther is comparing you to Ray Epps, but remember Boris the Truther also thinks 9/11 was an "inside job" of some sort.

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  • From David Drummond@21:1/5 to Chuck Schuyler on Mon Aug 28 11:02:09 2023
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 1:52:23 PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 11:53:18 AM UTC-5, John Corbett wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 12:46:12 PM UTC-4, David Drummond wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 12:39:44 PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 12:02:06 PM UTC-4, David Drummond wrote:

    It's true that Soros is giving scads of cash to elect these liberal D.A.s, but it's because of similar views on being lax on crime.
    So this is what I want you to understand....you don't actually KNOW this for a fact. You believe it, and you are so certain in your conviction that in your mind it has just been assumed to be fact.
    Well, DUH!!!
    And maybe it is a fact. But you don't KNOW it. You have no EVIDENCE of it. In fact, you have less evidence of this than a conspiracy to assassinate JFK. And if I were a pro-Soros (aka, Lone Nut) imbecile I'd be proclaiming that this statement
    of yours is a logical fallacy, you are begging the question, and that you are a kook (I'd also call you an anti-Semite to shut down your argument).
    There are some things that are intuitively obvious. This is one of them.

    Certainly no major media outlet in the country would take your position over mine in that matter.

    And so there you would have it....the "historically accepted narrative."

    I know you're a conservative and so now I hope you understand the point I was making with this thread. But you're also a LNer, so I know you don't understand it.
    We understand that Oswald murder JFK and officer Tippit. We wonder why after all these years,
    the CTs still can't figure it out.
    Fuck off, Ray Epps.

    Who the fuck is Ray Epps?
    He's the guy clearly egging people on during the January 6th protests to enter the Capitol building (but he personally doesn't trespass or damage the grounds, etc.). Suspicious behavior. For some weird reason, the FBI hasn't arrested him as an "
    insurrectionist," but anyone else they could possibly track down and locate has had jail time. Not this guy.

    Not sure why Boris the Truther is comparing you to Ray Epps, but remember Boris the Truther also thinks 9/11 was an "inside job" of some sort.

    Isn't that funny, Chucky? The same John who goes on a rant about how the right-wing needs to grab their guns and threatening to put people in the cemetery doesn't know who Ray Epps is. Makes you wonder how someone that uninformed about something so
    current is at the same time so schooled and knowledgeable about something as distant as the JFK assassination. You're clearly talking to a complete moron or a glowie. Either way good luck.

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  • From Chuck Schuyler@21:1/5 to David Drummond on Mon Aug 28 13:02:35 2023
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 1:02:11 PM UTC-5, David Drummond wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 1:52:23 PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 11:53:18 AM UTC-5, John Corbett wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 12:46:12 PM UTC-4, David Drummond wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 12:39:44 PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 12:02:06 PM UTC-4, David Drummond wrote:

    It's true that Soros is giving scads of cash to elect these liberal D.A.s, but it's because of similar views on being lax on crime.
    So this is what I want you to understand....you don't actually KNOW this for a fact. You believe it, and you are so certain in your conviction that in your mind it has just been assumed to be fact.
    Well, DUH!!!
    And maybe it is a fact. But you don't KNOW it. You have no EVIDENCE of it. In fact, you have less evidence of this than a conspiracy to assassinate JFK. And if I were a pro-Soros (aka, Lone Nut) imbecile I'd be proclaiming that this statement
    of yours is a logical fallacy, you are begging the question, and that you are a kook (I'd also call you an anti-Semite to shut down your argument).
    There are some things that are intuitively obvious. This is one of them.

    Certainly no major media outlet in the country would take your position over mine in that matter.

    And so there you would have it....the "historically accepted narrative."

    I know you're a conservative and so now I hope you understand the point I was making with this thread. But you're also a LNer, so I know you don't understand it.
    We understand that Oswald murder JFK and officer Tippit. We wonder why after all these years,
    the CTs still can't figure it out.
    Fuck off, Ray Epps.

    Who the fuck is Ray Epps?
    He's the guy clearly egging people on during the January 6th protests to enter the Capitol building (but he personally doesn't trespass or damage the grounds, etc.). Suspicious behavior. For some weird reason, the FBI hasn't arrested him as an "
    insurrectionist," but anyone else they could possibly track down and locate has had jail time. Not this guy.

    Not sure why Boris the Truther is comparing you to Ray Epps, but remember Boris the Truther also thinks 9/11 was an "inside job" of some sort.

    Isn't that funny, Chucky? The same John who goes on a rant about how the right-wing needs to grab their guns and threatening to put people in the cemetery doesn't know who Ray Epps is.


    So?


    Makes you wonder how someone that uninformed about something so current is at the same time so schooled and knowledgeable about something as distant as the JFK assassination. You're clearly talking to a >complete moron or a glowie. Either way good luck.

    Or John simply didn't know who Ray Epps is. Now he does.

    I follow MLB baseball and NHL hockey very closely. MLS soccer or NBA basketball? Little to no interest. Does it follow that if I'm informed and interested in the MLB or NHL that I need to follow those other sports?

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  • From John Corbett@21:1/5 to Chuck Schuyler on Mon Aug 28 13:34:46 2023
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 4:02:37 PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 1:02:11 PM UTC-5, David Drummond wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 1:52:23 PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 11:53:18 AM UTC-5, John Corbett wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 12:46:12 PM UTC-4, David Drummond wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 12:39:44 PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 12:02:06 PM UTC-4, David Drummond wrote:

    It's true that Soros is giving scads of cash to elect these liberal D.A.s, but it's because of similar views on being lax on crime.
    So this is what I want you to understand....you don't actually KNOW this for a fact. You believe it, and you are so certain in your conviction that in your mind it has just been assumed to be fact.
    Well, DUH!!!
    And maybe it is a fact. But you don't KNOW it. You have no EVIDENCE of it. In fact, you have less evidence of this than a conspiracy to assassinate JFK. And if I were a pro-Soros (aka, Lone Nut) imbecile I'd be proclaiming that this
    statement of yours is a logical fallacy, you are begging the question, and that you are a kook (I'd also call you an anti-Semite to shut down your argument).
    There are some things that are intuitively obvious. This is one of them.

    Certainly no major media outlet in the country would take your position over mine in that matter.

    And so there you would have it....the "historically accepted narrative."

    I know you're a conservative and so now I hope you understand the point I was making with this thread. But you're also a LNer, so I know you don't understand it.
    We understand that Oswald murder JFK and officer Tippit. We wonder why after all these years,
    the CTs still can't figure it out.
    Fuck off, Ray Epps.

    Who the fuck is Ray Epps?
    He's the guy clearly egging people on during the January 6th protests to enter the Capitol building (but he personally doesn't trespass or damage the grounds, etc.). Suspicious behavior. For some weird reason, the FBI hasn't arrested him as an "
    insurrectionist," but anyone else they could possibly track down and locate has had jail time. Not this guy.

    Not sure why Boris the Truther is comparing you to Ray Epps, but remember Boris the Truther also thinks 9/11 was an "inside job" of some sort.

    Isn't that funny, Chucky? The same John who goes on a rant about how the right-wing needs to grab their guns and threatening to put people in the cemetery doesn't know who Ray Epps is.
    So?
    Makes you wonder how someone that uninformed about something so current is at the same time so schooled and knowledgeable about something as distant as the JFK assassination. You're clearly talking to a >complete moron or a glowie. Either way good
    luck.
    Or John simply didn't know who Ray Epps is. Now he does.

    I follow MLB baseball and NHL hockey very closely. MLS soccer or NBA basketball? Little to no interest. Does it follow that if I'm informed and interested in the MLB or NHL that I need to follow those other sports?

    One does not need to know every last detail of the January 6 riot to know what happened.
    Somebody could be fairly knowledgeable about the JFK assassination without knowing who
    the name of all the minor players, like Cecil McWatters, Virginia Davis , or Billy Lovelady. Now
    if you didn't know names like John Connally, J. D. Tippit, or Clint Hill, one might question how
    much you know about the assassination.

    I confess to having a senior moment. I had to google for the name Clint Hill because I was
    drawing a blank. I don't how many times I had written about him over the years and the name
    just wouldn't come to me.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Steven Galbraith@21:1/5 to David Drummond on Mon Aug 28 13:37:25 2023
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 1:21:48 PM UTC-4, David Drummond wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 1:13:54 PM UTC-4, Steven Galbraith wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 12:39:44 PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 12:02:06 PM UTC-4, David Drummond wrote:

    It's true that Soros is giving scads of cash to elect these liberal D.A.s, but it's because of similar views on being lax on crime.
    So this is what I want you to understand....you don't actually KNOW this for a fact. You believe it, and you are so certain in your conviction that in your mind it has just been assumed to be fact.
    Well, DUH!!!
    And maybe it is a fact. But you don't KNOW it. You have no EVIDENCE of it. In fact, you have less evidence of this than a conspiracy to assassinate JFK. And if I were a pro-Soros (aka, Lone Nut) imbecile I'd be proclaiming that this statement of
    yours is a logical fallacy, you are begging the question, and that you are a kook (I'd also call you an anti-Semite to shut down your argument).
    There are some things that are intuitively obvious. This is one of them.

    Certainly no major media outlet in the country would take your position over mine in that matter.

    And so there you would have it....the "historically accepted narrative."

    I know you're a conservative and so now I hope you understand the point I was making with this thread. But you're also a LNer, so I know you don't understand it.
    We understand that Oswald murder JFK and officer Tippit. We wonder why after all these years,
    the CTs still can't figure it out.
    Soros has explained numerous times - he's quite open about it - why he supports these so-called progressive/reform prosecutors. It's not a secret. We're not assuming things or guessing about it.
    Here: https://www.georgesoros.com/2022/07/31/why-i-support-reform-prosecutors/
    or here: https://nypost.com/2022/08/01/george-soros-vows-to-keep-backing-woke-das-despite-urban-crime-spikes/
    In this world it's called evidence.
    Henry Seinzant is very clear in his assertion that newspaper articles are NOT evidence. Show me paper trails.
    The first link was to a *statement* not a newspaper article made by Soros that he published on his website. Soros also wrote a piece for the Wall Street Journal where he explained his views.
    That's here: https://www.wsj.com/articles/why-i-support-reform-prosecutors-law-enforces-jail-prison-crime-rate-justice-police-funding-11659277441
    For me, a statement/piece written *by* a person is not a newspaper article *about* a person.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From John Corbett@21:1/5 to Steven Galbraith on Mon Aug 28 14:06:11 2023
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 4:37:26 PM UTC-4, Steven Galbraith wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 1:21:48 PM UTC-4, David Drummond wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 1:13:54 PM UTC-4, Steven Galbraith wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 12:39:44 PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 12:02:06 PM UTC-4, David Drummond wrote:

    It's true that Soros is giving scads of cash to elect these liberal D.A.s, but it's because of similar views on being lax on crime.
    So this is what I want you to understand....you don't actually KNOW this for a fact. You believe it, and you are so certain in your conviction that in your mind it has just been assumed to be fact.
    Well, DUH!!!
    And maybe it is a fact. But you don't KNOW it. You have no EVIDENCE of it. In fact, you have less evidence of this than a conspiracy to assassinate JFK. And if I were a pro-Soros (aka, Lone Nut) imbecile I'd be proclaiming that this statement
    of yours is a logical fallacy, you are begging the question, and that you are a kook (I'd also call you an anti-Semite to shut down your argument).
    There are some things that are intuitively obvious. This is one of them.

    Certainly no major media outlet in the country would take your position over mine in that matter.

    And so there you would have it....the "historically accepted narrative."

    I know you're a conservative and so now I hope you understand the point I was making with this thread. But you're also a LNer, so I know you don't understand it.
    We understand that Oswald murder JFK and officer Tippit. We wonder why after all these years,
    the CTs still can't figure it out.
    Soros has explained numerous times - he's quite open about it - why he supports these so-called progressive/reform prosecutors. It's not a secret. We're not assuming things or guessing about it.
    Here: https://www.georgesoros.com/2022/07/31/why-i-support-reform-prosecutors/
    or here: https://nypost.com/2022/08/01/george-soros-vows-to-keep-backing-woke-das-despite-urban-crime-spikes/
    In this world it's called evidence.
    Henry Seinzant is very clear in his assertion that newspaper articles are NOT evidence. Show me paper trails.
    The first link was to a *statement* not a newspaper article made by Soros that he published on his website. Soros also wrote a piece for the Wall Street Journal where he explained his views.
    That's here: https://www.wsj.com/articles/why-i-support-reform-prosecutors-law-enforces-jail-prison-crime-rate-justice-police-funding-11659277441
    For me, a statement/piece written *by* a person is not a newspaper article *about* a person.

    George Soros just turned 93. Living proof that the good die young.

    When he finally kicks the bucket, I'll try hard to say something good about him. Something like
    this:

    George Soros is dead........GOOD!!!

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Sky Throne 19efppp@21:1/5 to John Corbett on Mon Aug 28 14:14:18 2023
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 5:06:13 PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 4:37:26 PM UTC-4, Steven Galbraith wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 1:21:48 PM UTC-4, David Drummond wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 1:13:54 PM UTC-4, Steven Galbraith wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 12:39:44 PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 12:02:06 PM UTC-4, David Drummond wrote:

    It's true that Soros is giving scads of cash to elect these liberal D.A.s, but it's because of similar views on being lax on crime.
    So this is what I want you to understand....you don't actually KNOW this for a fact. You believe it, and you are so certain in your conviction that in your mind it has just been assumed to be fact.
    Well, DUH!!!
    And maybe it is a fact. But you don't KNOW it. You have no EVIDENCE of it. In fact, you have less evidence of this than a conspiracy to assassinate JFK. And if I were a pro-Soros (aka, Lone Nut) imbecile I'd be proclaiming that this statement
    of yours is a logical fallacy, you are begging the question, and that you are a kook (I'd also call you an anti-Semite to shut down your argument).
    There are some things that are intuitively obvious. This is one of them.

    Certainly no major media outlet in the country would take your position over mine in that matter.

    And so there you would have it....the "historically accepted narrative."

    I know you're a conservative and so now I hope you understand the point I was making with this thread. But you're also a LNer, so I know you don't understand it.
    We understand that Oswald murder JFK and officer Tippit. We wonder why after all these years,
    the CTs still can't figure it out.
    Soros has explained numerous times - he's quite open about it - why he supports these so-called progressive/reform prosecutors. It's not a secret. We're not assuming things or guessing about it.
    Here: https://www.georgesoros.com/2022/07/31/why-i-support-reform-prosecutors/
    or here: https://nypost.com/2022/08/01/george-soros-vows-to-keep-backing-woke-das-despite-urban-crime-spikes/
    In this world it's called evidence.
    Henry Seinzant is very clear in his assertion that newspaper articles are NOT evidence. Show me paper trails.
    The first link was to a *statement* not a newspaper article made by Soros that he published on his website. Soros also wrote a piece for the Wall Street Journal where he explained his views.
    That's here: https://www.wsj.com/articles/why-i-support-reform-prosecutors-law-enforces-jail-prison-crime-rate-justice-police-funding-11659277441
    For me, a statement/piece written *by* a person is not a newspaper article *about* a person.
    George Soros just turned 93. Living proof that the good die young.

    When he finally kicks the bucket, I'll try hard to say something good about him. Something like
    this:

    George Soros is dead........GOOD!!!

    The only good billionaire is a dead billionaire.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From David Drummond@21:1/5 to All on Mon Aug 28 14:31:27 2023

    The first link was to a *statement* not a newspaper article made by Soros that he published on his website. Soros also wrote a piece for the Wall Street Journal where he explained his views.
    That's here: https://www.wsj.com/articles/why-i-support-reform-prosecutors-law-enforces-jail-prison-crime-rate-justice-police-funding-11659277441
    For me, a statement/piece written *by* a person is not a newspaper article *about* a person.

    I don't give a shit what his statement is. Oswald's statement is that he was a patsy. Are we just going to *believe* statements now? Or are you ready to concede that a statement is not evidence? I'll wait.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From David Drummond@21:1/5 to Chuck Schuyler on Mon Aug 28 14:29:26 2023
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 4:02:37 PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 1:02:11 PM UTC-5, David Drummond wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 1:52:23 PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 11:53:18 AM UTC-5, John Corbett wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 12:46:12 PM UTC-4, David Drummond wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 12:39:44 PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 12:02:06 PM UTC-4, David Drummond wrote:

    It's true that Soros is giving scads of cash to elect these liberal D.A.s, but it's because of similar views on being lax on crime.
    So this is what I want you to understand....you don't actually KNOW this for a fact. You believe it, and you are so certain in your conviction that in your mind it has just been assumed to be fact.
    Well, DUH!!!
    And maybe it is a fact. But you don't KNOW it. You have no EVIDENCE of it. In fact, you have less evidence of this than a conspiracy to assassinate JFK. And if I were a pro-Soros (aka, Lone Nut) imbecile I'd be proclaiming that this
    statement of yours is a logical fallacy, you are begging the question, and that you are a kook (I'd also call you an anti-Semite to shut down your argument).
    There are some things that are intuitively obvious. This is one of them.

    Certainly no major media outlet in the country would take your position over mine in that matter.

    And so there you would have it....the "historically accepted narrative."

    I know you're a conservative and so now I hope you understand the point I was making with this thread. But you're also a LNer, so I know you don't understand it.
    We understand that Oswald murder JFK and officer Tippit. We wonder why after all these years,
    the CTs still can't figure it out.
    Fuck off, Ray Epps.

    Who the fuck is Ray Epps?
    He's the guy clearly egging people on during the January 6th protests to enter the Capitol building (but he personally doesn't trespass or damage the grounds, etc.). Suspicious behavior. For some weird reason, the FBI hasn't arrested him as an "
    insurrectionist," but anyone else they could possibly track down and locate has had jail time. Not this guy.

    Not sure why Boris the Truther is comparing you to Ray Epps, but remember Boris the Truther also thinks 9/11 was an "inside job" of some sort.

    Isn't that funny, Chucky? The same John who goes on a rant about how the right-wing needs to grab their guns and threatening to put people in the cemetery doesn't know who Ray Epps is.
    So?

    You're an idiot, Chuck. And you're incapable of spotting red flags. Which is pretty much consistent with your belief that Oswald acted alone.

    When someone uses right-wing tropes calling for violence--especially GUN violence, which leftists are targeting specifically--it doesn't take a January 6 to sniff fed.

    You're the reason conservatives are losing the institutional war. Also, how come you can't prove Soros's DA funding? Are you a kook?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From John Corbett@21:1/5 to All on Mon Aug 28 16:09:06 2023
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 5:14:20 PM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 5:06:13 PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 4:37:26 PM UTC-4, Steven Galbraith wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 1:21:48 PM UTC-4, David Drummond wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 1:13:54 PM UTC-4, Steven Galbraith wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 12:39:44 PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 12:02:06 PM UTC-4, David Drummond wrote:

    It's true that Soros is giving scads of cash to elect these liberal D.A.s, but it's because of similar views on being lax on crime.
    So this is what I want you to understand....you don't actually KNOW this for a fact. You believe it, and you are so certain in your conviction that in your mind it has just been assumed to be fact.
    Well, DUH!!!
    And maybe it is a fact. But you don't KNOW it. You have no EVIDENCE of it. In fact, you have less evidence of this than a conspiracy to assassinate JFK. And if I were a pro-Soros (aka, Lone Nut) imbecile I'd be proclaiming that this
    statement of yours is a logical fallacy, you are begging the question, and that you are a kook (I'd also call you an anti-Semite to shut down your argument).
    There are some things that are intuitively obvious. This is one of them.

    Certainly no major media outlet in the country would take your position over mine in that matter.

    And so there you would have it....the "historically accepted narrative."

    I know you're a conservative and so now I hope you understand the point I was making with this thread. But you're also a LNer, so I know you don't understand it.
    We understand that Oswald murder JFK and officer Tippit. We wonder why after all these years,
    the CTs still can't figure it out.
    Soros has explained numerous times - he's quite open about it - why he supports these so-called progressive/reform prosecutors. It's not a secret. We're not assuming things or guessing about it.
    Here: https://www.georgesoros.com/2022/07/31/why-i-support-reform-prosecutors/
    or here: https://nypost.com/2022/08/01/george-soros-vows-to-keep-backing-woke-das-despite-urban-crime-spikes/
    In this world it's called evidence.
    Henry Seinzant is very clear in his assertion that newspaper articles are NOT evidence. Show me paper trails.
    The first link was to a *statement* not a newspaper article made by Soros that he published on his website. Soros also wrote a piece for the Wall Street Journal where he explained his views.
    That's here: https://www.wsj.com/articles/why-i-support-reform-prosecutors-law-enforces-jail-prison-crime-rate-justice-police-funding-11659277441
    For me, a statement/piece written *by* a person is not a newspaper article *about* a person.
    George Soros just turned 93. Living proof that the good die young.

    When he finally kicks the bucket, I'll try hard to say something good about him. Something like
    this:

    George Soros is dead........GOOD!!!
    The only good billionaire is a dead billionaire.

    I guess Toilet Seat wants to kill leftist billionaires like Jeff Bezos, Warren Buffet, Bill Gates, and
    George Soros.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From John Corbett@21:1/5 to David Drummond on Mon Aug 28 15:42:32 2023
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 5:29:28 PM UTC-4, David Drummond wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 4:02:37 PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 1:02:11 PM UTC-5, David Drummond wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 1:52:23 PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 11:53:18 AM UTC-5, John Corbett wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 12:46:12 PM UTC-4, David Drummond wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 12:39:44 PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 12:02:06 PM UTC-4, David Drummond wrote:

    It's true that Soros is giving scads of cash to elect these liberal D.A.s, but it's because of similar views on being lax on crime.
    So this is what I want you to understand....you don't actually KNOW this for a fact. You believe it, and you are so certain in your conviction that in your mind it has just been assumed to be fact.
    Well, DUH!!!
    And maybe it is a fact. But you don't KNOW it. You have no EVIDENCE of it. In fact, you have less evidence of this than a conspiracy to assassinate JFK. And if I were a pro-Soros (aka, Lone Nut) imbecile I'd be proclaiming that this
    statement of yours is a logical fallacy, you are begging the question, and that you are a kook (I'd also call you an anti-Semite to shut down your argument).
    There are some things that are intuitively obvious. This is one of them.

    Certainly no major media outlet in the country would take your position over mine in that matter.

    And so there you would have it....the "historically accepted narrative."

    I know you're a conservative and so now I hope you understand the point I was making with this thread. But you're also a LNer, so I know you don't understand it.
    We understand that Oswald murder JFK and officer Tippit. We wonder why after all these years,
    the CTs still can't figure it out.
    Fuck off, Ray Epps.

    Who the fuck is Ray Epps?
    He's the guy clearly egging people on during the January 6th protests to enter the Capitol building (but he personally doesn't trespass or damage the grounds, etc.). Suspicious behavior. For some weird reason, the FBI hasn't arrested him as an "
    insurrectionist," but anyone else they could possibly track down and locate has had jail time. Not this guy.

    Not sure why Boris the Truther is comparing you to Ray Epps, but remember Boris the Truther also thinks 9/11 was an "inside job" of some sort.

    Isn't that funny, Chucky? The same John who goes on a rant about how the right-wing needs to grab their guns and threatening to put people in the cemetery doesn't know who Ray Epps is.
    So?
    You're an idiot, Chuck. And you're incapable of spotting red flags. Which is pretty much consistent with your belief that Oswald acted alone.

    When someone uses right-wing tropes calling for violence--especially GUN violence, which leftists are targeting specifically--it doesn't take a January 6 to sniff fed.

    My statement was about using guns to protect ourselves from the criminal element that Soros
    backed prosecutors won't put in jail. Are you saying leftists are all criminals? How else would
    you have concluded that I was targeting leftists?

    You're the reason conservatives are losing the institutional war. Also, how come you can't prove Soros's DA funding? Are you a kook?

    Are you denying Soros has funded the DAs in New York, Philadelphia, Chicago, and Los Angeles,
    just to name a few?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Steven Galbraith@21:1/5 to David Drummond on Mon Aug 28 17:19:33 2023
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 5:31:28 PM UTC-4, David Drummond wrote:

    The first link was to a *statement* not a newspaper article made by Soros that he published on his website. Soros also wrote a piece for the Wall Street Journal where he explained his views.
    That's here: https://www.wsj.com/articles/why-i-support-reform-prosecutors-law-enforces-jail-prison-crime-rate-justice-police-funding-11659277441
    For me, a statement/piece written *by* a person is not a newspaper article *about* a person.
    I don't give a shit what his statement is. Oswald's statement is that he was a patsy. Are we just going to *believe* statements now? Or are you ready to concede that a statement is not evidence? I'll wait.
    Soros's statement as to what he wants prosecutors to do is supported by the fact that he donated to prosecutor's campaigns who campaigned on what he wants to do. We have his statement on his proposals on criminal reform, his money going to campaigns for
    candidates who endorsed his views, and the prosecutors following through with those policy views once in office. It's not *just* his statement. A statement may be *credible* evidence if what is stated is corroborated by other evidence. Soros's statement
    is supported by other evidence.
    What your point is all of this is a complete mystery to me. It's not the first time you have me perplexed.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From David Drummond@21:1/5 to All on Mon Aug 28 17:15:52 2023

    My statement was about using guns to protect ourselves from the criminal element that Soros
    backed prosecutors won't put in jail. Are you saying leftists are all criminals? How else would
    you have concluded that I was targeting leftists?

    Criminal elements in states with a Soros-backed DA are a protected class. They are free to do what they like without consequences. I'm sure you realize that. Just as I'm sure you realize that anyone who tries to protect themselves from the protected
    class are both punished AND branded far-right, which is the same as being a terrorist. And Biden's DOJ is actively trying to bait such terrorists, even if they have to invent them themselves (see Gretchen Whitmer kidnapping plot). And here you come along
    "mildly suggesting" people engage in activities that Merrick Garland would consider terroristic. As I said, you're either a moron or a fed. And seeing as you deny a massive Intelligence plot occurred in Dallas, I still say you're either/or.


    Are you denying Soros has funded the DAs in New York, Philadelphia, Chicago, and Los Angeles,
    just to name a few?

    You haven't provided any evidence showing this, at least no evidence which comes close to the standards that CTers are required to live up to for the entertainment of LNer hard-ons such as yourself. In fact, no one here has yet proven the Soros
    connection.

    I'm still waiting.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From David Drummond@21:1/5 to All on Mon Aug 28 17:30:23 2023

    Soros's statement as to what he wants prosecutors to do is supported by the fact that he donated to prosecutor's campaigns who campaigned on what he wants to do.

    Again, you have no evidence of these donations. Show me a paper trail. Show me something other than what you *think* happened.


    We have his statement on his proposals on criminal reform,

    We have statements from Marina Oswald that confirm LHO had no ill will towards Kennedy. What's your point?


    his money going to campaigns for candidates who endorsed his views,

    Begging the question.


    and the prosecutors following through with those policy views once in office.

    Two people having the same policy views is not an indication that one person paid the other to have those views.


    It's not *just* his statement. A statement may be *credible* evidence if what is stated is corroborated by other evidence.

    Such as?


    Soros's statement is supported by other evidence.

    Such as Oswald's statement that he was just a patsy (which is different from "innocent" BTW).


    What your point is all of this is a complete mystery to me.

    The point is, the next time you want to mock a critic for deconstructing corroborating medical evidence, witness statements, science, expert testimony, cover-ups (ie., Hoover "lying his eyes out") and documented witness intimidation, maybe don't be such
    a smug asshole about it and give pause to what they're saying. Because as far as I'm concerned, your beliefs are equally provable. Or, more accurately, not provable.

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  • From David Drummond@21:1/5 to All on Mon Aug 28 17:31:56 2023

    He thinks he's playing "gotcha" with evidence and what we ask conspiracy believers to show to prove their conspiracy. As in, "You don't accept our evidence but you accept evidence of Soros supporting progressive/reformer prosecutors." It's silly time
    in conspiracy world.

    I hear your ad hominems. Now lets hear your evidence.

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  • From Steven Galbraith@21:1/5 to John Corbett on Mon Aug 28 17:29:42 2023
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 6:42:33 PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 5:29:28 PM UTC-4, David Drummond wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 4:02:37 PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 1:02:11 PM UTC-5, David Drummond wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 1:52:23 PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 11:53:18 AM UTC-5, John Corbett wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 12:46:12 PM UTC-4, David Drummond wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 12:39:44 PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 12:02:06 PM UTC-4, David Drummond wrote:

    It's true that Soros is giving scads of cash to elect these liberal D.A.s, but it's because of similar views on being lax on crime.
    So this is what I want you to understand....you don't actually KNOW this for a fact. You believe it, and you are so certain in your conviction that in your mind it has just been assumed to be fact.
    Well, DUH!!!
    And maybe it is a fact. But you don't KNOW it. You have no EVIDENCE of it. In fact, you have less evidence of this than a conspiracy to assassinate JFK. And if I were a pro-Soros (aka, Lone Nut) imbecile I'd be proclaiming that this
    statement of yours is a logical fallacy, you are begging the question, and that you are a kook (I'd also call you an anti-Semite to shut down your argument).
    There are some things that are intuitively obvious. This is one of them.

    Certainly no major media outlet in the country would take your position over mine in that matter.

    And so there you would have it....the "historically accepted narrative."

    I know you're a conservative and so now I hope you understand the point I was making with this thread. But you're also a LNer, so I know you don't understand it.
    We understand that Oswald murder JFK and officer Tippit. We wonder why after all these years,
    the CTs still can't figure it out.
    Fuck off, Ray Epps.

    Who the fuck is Ray Epps?
    He's the guy clearly egging people on during the January 6th protests to enter the Capitol building (but he personally doesn't trespass or damage the grounds, etc.). Suspicious behavior. For some weird reason, the FBI hasn't arrested him as an "
    insurrectionist," but anyone else they could possibly track down and locate has had jail time. Not this guy.

    Not sure why Boris the Truther is comparing you to Ray Epps, but remember Boris the Truther also thinks 9/11 was an "inside job" of some sort.

    Isn't that funny, Chucky? The same John who goes on a rant about how the right-wing needs to grab their guns and threatening to put people in the cemetery doesn't know who Ray Epps is.
    So?
    You're an idiot, Chuck. And you're incapable of spotting red flags. Which is pretty much consistent with your belief that Oswald acted alone.

    When someone uses right-wing tropes calling for violence--especially GUN violence, which leftists are targeting specifically--it doesn't take a January 6 to sniff fed.
    My statement was about using guns to protect ourselves from the criminal element that Soros
    backed prosecutors won't put in jail. Are you saying leftists are all criminals? How else would
    you have concluded that I was targeting leftists?

    You're the reason conservatives are losing the institutional war. Also, how come you can't prove Soros's DA funding? Are you a kook?
    Are you denying Soros has funded the DAs in New York, Philadelphia, Chicago, and Los Angeles,
    just to name a few?
    He thinks he's playing "gotcha" with evidence and what we ask conspiracy believers to show to prove their conspiracy. As in, "You don't accept our evidence but you accept evidence of Soros supporting progressive/reformer prosecutors." It's silly time in
    conspiracy world.

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  • From John Corbett@21:1/5 to David Drummond on Tue Aug 29 02:15:44 2023
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 8:15:54 PM UTC-4, David Drummond wrote:

    My statement was about using guns to protect ourselves from the criminal element that Soros
    backed prosecutors won't put in jail. Are you saying leftists are all criminals? How else would
    you have concluded that I was targeting leftists?
    Criminal elements in states with a Soros-backed DA are a protected class. They are free to do what they like without consequences. I'm sure you realize that. Just as I'm sure you realize that anyone who tries to protect themselves from the protected
    class are both punished AND branded far-right, which is the same as being a terrorist. And Biden's DOJ is actively trying to bait such terrorists, even if they have to invent them themselves (see Gretchen Whitmer kidnapping plot). And here you come along
    "mildly suggesting" people engage in activities that Merrick Garland would consider terroristic.

    As if I give a shit what Merrick Garland thinks. He is totally corrupt. We all owe Mitch McConnell
    a debt of gratitude for keeping that sleezy piece of shit off the Supreme Court.

    As I said, you're either a moron or a fed. And seeing as you deny a massive Intelligence plot occurred in Dallas, I still say you're either/or.

    I've offered you the opportunity to present your evidence for this "massive intelligence plot" and
    so far you have declined to do so. Why should anyone take you seriously?

    Are you denying Soros has funded the DAs in New York, Philadelphia, Chicago, and Los Angeles,
    just to name a few?
    You haven't provided any evidence showing this, at least no evidence which comes close to the standards that CTers are required to live up to for the entertainment of LNer hard-ons such as yourself. In fact, no one here has yet proven the Soros
    connection.

    I'm still waiting.

    Soros has admitted to funding progressive DAs. Here's a New York Post story reporting how he
    did it through his PACs.

    https://nypost.com/2021/12/16/how-george-soros-funded-progressive-das-behind-us-crime-surge/

    Now about your evidence for that "massive intelligence plot".......

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to geowright1963@gmail.com on Wed Aug 30 07:54:43 2023
    On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 16:12:26 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett <geowright1963@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 5:42:06?PM UTC-4, David Drummond wrote:

    Just to catch you up, David, Corbutt stopped responding to me when I
    started posting the Bugliosi's 53 Reasons - Refuted... He just
    couldn't stand it.
    ..
    lol, Ben still evidence-bombing the believers into irrelevancy. It's worth coming back to see!

    If you think what Benny Yellowpanties posts is evidence, it's clear you don't understand what
    constitutes evidence.


    Notice folks, the self-refuting logical fallacy that Corbutt made...

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to All on Wed Aug 30 07:54:43 2023
    On Sat, 26 Aug 2023 04:48:33 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirslick@fast.net>
    wrote:


    So, according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval" shape that was
    "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

    Chickenshit is TERRIFIED of this simple honest question. He knows
    that Bugliosi was a moron if he truly thought this... yet you can't
    get Chickenshit to publicly acknowledge that Bugliosi said this.

    It's a simple "Yes" or "No" question, and Chickenshit cannot cite
    where he has EVER answered it. (Without immediately denying it.)

    So it's going to keep getting asked until Chickenshit answers it.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to stevemgalbraith@yahoo.com on Wed Aug 30 07:54:43 2023
    On Sat, 26 Aug 2023 07:22:56 -0700 (PDT), Steven Galbraith <stevemgalbraith@yahoo.com> wrote:

    I'll try again: Why would the media expose the crimes/abuses by the CIA/FBI and then cover up for their murder of JFK? Why expose one and not the other?
    Does that make any sense?

    It's these sort of moronic statements that FORCE this moron to refuse
    debate.

    He's presuming some mythical "media" that has all the facts.

    Such a wacky belief!!!

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to chuckschuyler123@gmail.com on Wed Aug 30 07:54:43 2023
    On Sat, 26 Aug 2023 08:53:08 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler <chuckschuyler123@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 9:17:06?AM UTC-5, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 10:13:42?AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    Because he looks at the evidence correctly.
    Or should I say, all the answers you need to hear.
    That is an accurate statement. It's accurate because he looks at the evidence correctly.

    Yeah, that Bugliosi has a history if looking at evidence correctly.

    Remember when he accused his milkman of fathering his son ?

    https://youtu.be/2wPIng0hGxQ

    Bugliosi apparently had some real skeletons in his closet regarding his personal behavior.

    So did JFK.

    Just curious, but what does Bugliosi's accusations about the milkman fathering his son have to do with his work regarding the JFK assassination?

    I'll answer for you: NOTHING.

    You're lying again, Chuckles. A person's personal character ALWAYS
    has a bearing on the statements he makes.

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  • From David Drummond@21:1/5 to All on Wed Aug 30 08:56:01 2023

    I'll try again: Why would the media expose the crimes/abuses by the CIA/FBI and then cover up for their murder of JFK? Why expose one and not the other?

    Here's a clip of Tucker Carlson addressing an issue that just started happening three days ago, and was so very obviously not a problem in 1963:

    https://twitter.com/TheChiefNerd/status/1696859245055025656

    Tucker Carlson calls anchors Intel Agency mouthpieces.

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  • From David Drummond@21:1/5 to All on Wed Aug 30 15:43:22 2023

    It's amusing to note that EVERY SINGLE TACTIC critics now use was
    first used by believers.

    The insidious thing about LN tactics is you can use them to "disprove" anything, even things anyone would know to be true. There is virtually not a single thing they can prove when those same tactics are applied against them. It is such an obvious
    dishonesty. Using LN tactics, a believer would be unable to prove the color blue is blue. Their bullshit is so tiring, exacerbated by the fact that they really think they're the smart ones.

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  • From John Corbett@21:1/5 to David Drummond on Wed Aug 30 16:00:13 2023
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 6:43:23 PM UTC-4, David Drummond wrote:

    It's amusing to note that EVERY SINGLE TACTIC critics now use was
    first used by believers.
    The insidious thing about LN tactics is you can use them to "disprove" anything, even things anyone would know to be true. There is virtually not a single thing they can prove when those same tactics are applied against them. It is such an obvious
    dishonesty. Using LN tactics, a believer would be unable to prove the color blue is blue. Their bullshit is so tiring, exacerbated by the fact that they really think they're the smart ones.

    Our tactic is to look at the correct things correctly. You should try it sometime.

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  • From David Drummond@21:1/5 to All on Wed Aug 30 16:13:22 2023

    Our tactic is to look at the correct things correctly. You should try it sometime.

    You can call anything you like "correct," Ray Epps. What you can't call it is provable.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to geowright1963@gmail.com on Wed Aug 30 16:27:14 2023
    On Wed, 30 Aug 2023 16:00:13 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett <geowright1963@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 6:43:23?PM UTC-4, David Drummond wrote:

    It's amusing to note that EVERY SINGLE TACTIC critics now use was
    first used by believers.
    The insidious thing about LN tactics is you can use them to "disprove" anything, even things anyone would know to be true. There is virtually not a single thing they can prove when those same tactics are applied against them. It is such an obvious
    dishonesty. Using LN tactics, a believer would be unable to prove the color blue is blue. Their bullshit is so tiring, exacerbated by the fact that they really think they're the smart ones.

    Our tactic is to look at the correct things correctly. You should try it sometime.

    You're lying again, Corbutt. You can't cite for this empty claim.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to All on Wed Aug 30 16:28:36 2023
    On Wed, 30 Aug 2023 16:23:36 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirslick@fast.net>
    wrote:


    So, according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval" shape that was
    "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

    Chickenshit is TERRIFIED of this simple honest question. He knows
    that Bugliosi was a moron if he truly thought this... yet you can't
    get Chickenshit to publicly acknowledge that Bugliosi said this.

    It's a simple "Yes" or "No" question, and Chickenshit cannot cite
    where he has EVER answered it. (Without immediately denying it.)

    So it's going to keep getting asked until Chickenshit answers it.

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  • From Bud@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Wed Aug 30 16:27:45 2023
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 10:55:04 AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Sat, 26 Aug 2023 08:53:08 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler <chucksch...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 9:17:06?AM UTC-5, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 10:13:42?AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote: >>> Because he looks at the evidence correctly.
    Or should I say, all the answers you need to hear.
    That is an accurate statement. It's accurate because he looks at the evidence correctly.

    Yeah, that Bugliosi has a history if looking at evidence correctly.

    Remember when he accused his milkman of fathering his son ?

    https://youtu.be/2wPIng0hGxQ

    Bugliosi apparently had some real skeletons in his closet regarding his personal behavior.

    So did JFK.

    Just curious, but what does Bugliosi's accusations about the milkman fathering his son have to do with his work regarding the JFK assassination?

    I'll answer for you: NOTHING.

    You're lying again, Chuckles. A person's personal character ALWAYS
    has a bearing on the statements he makes.

    Wrong. Hitler could pontificate on the sanctity of human life, the ideas he expressed wouldn`t be wrong just because they were coming from Hitler. Arguments stand or fall on their own merits, what Ben is proposing is true ad hominem, not his mistaken
    belief about what it is.

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  • From Bud@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Wed Aug 30 16:23:36 2023
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 10:55:04 AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Sun, 27 Aug 2023 03:32:26 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett
    <geowri...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 8:42:25?PM UTC-4, David Drummond wrote:

    I don't know what the actual percentage is but there are a lot of George Soros backed Democrat
    prosecutors who got elected in some of our biggest cities and the result is crime is now out
    of control. New York, Philadelphia, Chicago, Los Angeles. All Soros puppets and criminals now
    know they can commit their crimes with impunity. The people who elected those scumbags
    deserve everything bad that happens to them. I now laugh when I read about the rampant
    crime there. When I read about a victim, I just say to myself, odds are he voted for the Soros
    candidate and I don't feel an ounce of remorse for them.
    Not that I disagree with most of this, but...you have to realize that what you wrote sounds just as dumb to many people as "Bugliosi might be a CIA asset" sounds to you. Don't think you're above JFK assassination CTers, because you don't have nearly
    as much figured out as you think you do.

    I don't know if Bugliosi was a CIA asset. What I'm saying is if it's true, I would not be at all surprised.

    I figured out a long time ago Oswald was the assassin and there isn't a doubt in my mind about
    that.


    On what basis?

    The ability to reason.

    You can't say. You refuse to cite the evidence for
    your beliefs...

    You are well aware of it. You just want to play crooked games where you have to accept whatever we produce. Truth does not need to be vetted by idiots.

    I'm also aware that there isn't a scrap of compelling evidence he had even a single
    accomplice.


    Begging the question...

    Can`t be, it is the finding of several investigations.

    And, of course, **NOTHING** would be "compelling" to you should you
    decide it's not in your interest.

    Ironic.

    What I can't figure out is how people can look at the evidence and have any doubt
    that Oswald fired the shots that killed JFK.


    Simple... we actually *LOOK* at the evidence... the very same evidence you're terrified of. Such as the NAA testing.

    You refuse to make an argument using it.

    If people want to postulate he was acting on behalf
    of others, then they should present their case with real evidence, not speculation. Anyone who
    still argues Oswald did not fire the shots is simply not a person who should be taken seriously.


    Don't worry, we don't take *YOU* seriously.

    Who did take the shots if not Oswald? You guys have gone nowhere with this stupid hobby of yours.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to All on Wed Aug 30 16:40:38 2023
    On Wed, 30 Aug 2023 16:27:45 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirslick@fast.net>
    wrote:


    So, according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval" shape that was
    "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

    Chickenshit is TERRIFIED of this simple honest question. He knows
    that Bugliosi was a moron if he truly thought this... yet you can't
    get Chickenshit to publicly acknowledge that Bugliosi said this.

    It's a simple "Yes" or "No" question, and Chickenshit cannot cite
    where he has EVER answered it. (Without immediately denying it.)

    So it's going to keep getting asked until Chickenshit answers it.

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  • From Bud@21:1/5 to David Drummond on Wed Aug 30 16:47:59 2023
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 6:43:23 PM UTC-4, David Drummond wrote:

    It's amusing to note that EVERY SINGLE TACTIC critics now use was
    first used by believers.

    This is Ben blowing hot air.

    The insidious thing about LN tactics is you can use them to "disprove" anything, even things anyone would know to be true. There is virtually not a single thing they can prove when those same tactics are applied against them. It is such an obvious
    dishonesty.

    You guys are delusional. I once made the case for the SBT to you. It quickly became clear that I was trying to get a child who doesn`t like carrots to eat carrots.

    Using LN tactics, a believer would be unable to prove the color blue is blue. Their bullshit is so tiring, exacerbated by the fact that they really think they're the smart ones.

    We are at the finish line. You are in the weeds. That makes us the smart ones.

    If you guys tried reason you might get out of the weeds, but it seems abhorrent to you.

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  • From Bud@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Wed Aug 30 16:48:32 2023
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 7:40:54 PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Wed, 30 Aug 2023 16:27:45 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:


    So, according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval" shape that was
    "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

    Chickenshit is TERRIFIED of this simple honest question. He knows
    that Bugliosi was a moron if he truly thought this... yet you can't
    get Chickenshit to publicly acknowledge that Bugliosi said this.

    It's a simple "Yes" or "No" question, and Chickenshit cannot cite
    where he has EVER answered it. (Without immediately denying it.)

    So it's going to keep getting asked until Chickenshit answers it.

    <snicker> I own this troll.

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  • From David Drummond@21:1/5 to All on Wed Aug 30 16:58:26 2023

    Wrong. Hitler could pontificate on the sanctity of human life, the ideas he expressed wouldn`t be wrong just because they were coming from Hitler. Arguments stand or fall on their own merits, what Ben is proposing is true ad hominem, not his mistaken
    belief about what it is.

    This is coming from someone that has called every important witness to this plot a kook, fruitcake or retard. Including medical experts and highly decorated police officers.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to borisbadenov666@gmail.com on Wed Aug 30 17:04:54 2023
    On Wed, 30 Aug 2023 16:58:26 -0700 (PDT), David Drummond <borisbadenov666@gmail.com> wrote:


    Wrong. Hitler could pontificate on the sanctity of human life, the ideas he expressed wouldn`t be wrong just because they were coming from Hitler. Arguments stand or fall on their own merits, what Ben is proposing is true ad hominem, not his mistaken
    belief about what it is.

    This is coming from someone that has called every important witness to this plot a kook, fruitcake or retard. Including medical experts and highly decorated police officers.

    Keep in mind that Chickenshit is molesting his own mother again...
    he's claiming I said something he can't quote me saying.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to All on Wed Aug 30 17:03:18 2023
    On Wed, 30 Aug 2023 16:47:59 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirslick@fast.net>
    wrote:


    So, according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval" shape that was
    "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

    Chickenshit is TERRIFIED of this simple honest question. He knows
    that Bugliosi was a moron if he truly thought this... yet you can't
    get Chickenshit to publicly acknowledge that Bugliosi said this.

    It's a simple "Yes" or "No" question, and Chickenshit cannot cite
    where he has EVER answered it. (Without immediately denying it.)

    So it's going to keep getting asked until Chickenshit answers it.

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  • From Bud@21:1/5 to David Drummond on Wed Aug 30 17:08:03 2023
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 7:58:27 PM UTC-4, David Drummond wrote:

    Wrong. Hitler could pontificate on the sanctity of human life, the ideas he expressed wouldn`t be wrong just because they were coming from Hitler. Arguments stand or fall on their own merits, what Ben is proposing is true ad hominem, not his mistaken
    belief about what it is.
    This is coming from someone that has called every important witness to this plot a kook, fruitcake or retard.

    When you say "important witness", you mean useful to conspiracy ideas. Important witnesses are those that said they saw Oswald killing people, those that saw him at a murder scene with a gun, witnesses who indicated location where physical evidence was
    found, ect. You know, the witnesses you guys ignore.

    Including medical experts

    Can`t trump better evidence. Autopsies perform autopsies.

    and highly decorated police officers.

    Can`t trump the evidence that Oswald was at 10th and Patton killing a cop.

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  • From Bud@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Wed Aug 30 17:15:04 2023
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 8:05:08 PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Wed, 30 Aug 2023 16:58:26 -0700 (PDT), David Drummond <borisba...@gmail.com> wrote:


    Wrong. Hitler could pontificate on the sanctity of human life, the ideas he expressed wouldn`t be wrong just because they were coming from Hitler. Arguments stand or fall on their own merits, what Ben is proposing is true ad hominem, not his
    mistaken belief about what it is.

    This is coming from someone that has called every important witness to this plot a kook, fruitcake or retard. Including medical experts and highly decorated police officers.
    Keep in mind that Chickenshit is molesting his own mother again...

    Ben is eating the maggots out of his dead mother`s asshole again.

    he's claiming I said something he can't quote me saying.

    Ben said this...

    "A person's personal character ALWAYS has a bearing on the statements he makes."

    Ad hominem literally means "against the man".

    "This fallacy occurs when, instead of addressing someone's argument or position, you irrelevantly attack the person or some aspect of the person who is making the argument."

    https://www.txst.edu/philosophy/resources/fallacy-definitions/Ad-Hominem.html

    Exactly what they are doing to Bugliosi.

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  • From David Drummond@21:1/5 to David Drummond on Wed Aug 30 17:28:23 2023
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 8:19:48 PM UTC-4, David Drummond wrote:

    Ben said this...
    "A person's personal character ALWAYS has a bearing on the statements he makes."
    Ad hominem literally means "against the man".

    "This fallacy occurs when, instead of addressing someone's argument or position, you irrelevantly attack the person or some aspect of the person who is making the argument."

    https://www.txst.edu/philosophy/resources/fallacy-definitions/Ad-Hominem.html

    Exactly what they are doing to Bugliosi.
    Except Bugliosi's penchant for witness intimidation and illegal activity is not irrelevant. It demonstrates these are lengths which are acceptable within his moral compass to reaching the conclusions he needs to reach. His immunity in the matter is
    even more suspect.

    By siding with Bugliosi, you seem to believe that truth requires coercion. This is as far from irrelevant as you can get.

    I mean, if we really want to play the ad hominem game, I'm happy to point out that LNers are forced to align themselves with wife beaters, plagiarists, the head of the CIA, bankers, known liars like Marina and Hoover, aristocrats and...whatever the
    opposite of science is.

    The same way today's fringe leftists are obliged to side with pedophiles.

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  • From Chuck Schuyler@21:1/5 to David Drummond on Wed Aug 30 17:30:50 2023
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 7:19:48 PM UTC-5, David Drummond wrote:

    Ben said this...
    "A person's personal character ALWAYS has a bearing on the statements he makes."
    Ad hominem literally means "against the man".

    "This fallacy occurs when, instead of addressing someone's argument or position, you irrelevantly attack the person or some aspect of the person who is making the argument."

    https://www.txst.edu/philosophy/resources/fallacy-definitions/Ad-Hominem.html

    Exactly what they are doing to Bugliosi.
    Except Bugliosi's penchant for witness intimidation and illegal activity is not irrelevant. It demonstrates these are lengths which are acceptable within his moral compass to reaching the conclusions he needs to reach. His immunity in the matter is
    even more suspect.

    By siding with Bugliosi, you seem to believe that truth requires coercion.

    Non sequitur. Your conclusion doesn't logically flow from your claim.

    This is as far from irrelevant as you can get.

    Ironic.

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  • From Chuck Schuyler@21:1/5 to David Drummond on Wed Aug 30 17:35:55 2023
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 7:28:24 PM UTC-5, David Drummond wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 8:19:48 PM UTC-4, David Drummond wrote:

    Ben said this...
    "A person's personal character ALWAYS has a bearing on the statements he makes."
    Ad hominem literally means "against the man".

    "This fallacy occurs when, instead of addressing someone's argument or position, you irrelevantly attack the person or some aspect of the person who is making the argument."

    https://www.txst.edu/philosophy/resources/fallacy-definitions/Ad-Hominem.html

    Exactly what they are doing to Bugliosi.
    Except Bugliosi's penchant for witness intimidation and illegal activity is not irrelevant. It demonstrates these are lengths which are acceptable within his moral compass to reaching the conclusions he needs to reach. His immunity in the matter is
    even more suspect.

    By siding with Bugliosi, you seem to believe that truth requires coercion. This is as far from irrelevant as you can get.

    I mean, if we really want to play the ad hominem game, I'm happy to point out that LNers are forced to align themselves with wife beaters, plagiarists, the head of the CIA, bankers, known liars like Marina and Hoover, aristocrats and...whatever the
    opposite of science is.



    The same way today's fringe leftists are obliged to side with pedophiles.

    Fringe leftists? It's on their radar to be their new vote-grabbing Civil Rights issue after transgenderism.

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  • From David Drummond@21:1/5 to All on Wed Aug 30 17:19:46 2023

    Ben said this...
    "A person's personal character ALWAYS has a bearing on the statements he makes."
    Ad hominem literally means "against the man".

    "This fallacy occurs when, instead of addressing someone's argument or position, you irrelevantly attack the person or some aspect of the person who is making the argument."

    https://www.txst.edu/philosophy/resources/fallacy-definitions/Ad-Hominem.html

    Exactly what they are doing to Bugliosi.

    Except Bugliosi's penchant for witness intimidation and illegal activity is not irrelevant. It demonstrates these are lengths which are acceptable within his moral compass to reaching the conclusions he needs to reach. His immunity in the matter is even
    more suspect.

    By siding with Bugliosi, you seem to believe that truth requires coercion. This is as far from irrelevant as you can get.

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  • From David Drummond@21:1/5 to All on Wed Aug 30 18:12:33 2023

    Also, how come you can't prove Soros's DA funding?

    What would you accept?

    I'm not going to do your homework for you. Lay out your scenario. Let's see it. The burden of proof is on you. Then we'll discuss it and see if your tinfoil beanie theory holds water.

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  • From Chuck Schuyler@21:1/5 to David Drummond on Wed Aug 30 17:43:05 2023
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 4:29:28 PM UTC-5, David Drummond wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 4:02:37 PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 1:02:11 PM UTC-5, David Drummond wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 1:52:23 PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 11:53:18 AM UTC-5, John Corbett wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 12:46:12 PM UTC-4, David Drummond wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 12:39:44 PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 12:02:06 PM UTC-4, David Drummond wrote:

    It's true that Soros is giving scads of cash to elect these liberal D.A.s, but it's because of similar views on being lax on crime.
    So this is what I want you to understand....you don't actually KNOW this for a fact. You believe it, and you are so certain in your conviction that in your mind it has just been assumed to be fact.
    Well, DUH!!!
    And maybe it is a fact. But you don't KNOW it. You have no EVIDENCE of it. In fact, you have less evidence of this than a conspiracy to assassinate JFK. And if I were a pro-Soros (aka, Lone Nut) imbecile I'd be proclaiming that this
    statement of yours is a logical fallacy, you are begging the question, and that you are a kook (I'd also call you an anti-Semite to shut down your argument).
    There are some things that are intuitively obvious. This is one of them.

    Certainly no major media outlet in the country would take your position over mine in that matter.

    And so there you would have it....the "historically accepted narrative."

    I know you're a conservative and so now I hope you understand the point I was making with this thread. But you're also a LNer, so I know you don't understand it.
    We understand that Oswald murder JFK and officer Tippit. We wonder why after all these years,
    the CTs still can't figure it out.
    Fuck off, Ray Epps.

    Who the fuck is Ray Epps?
    He's the guy clearly egging people on during the January 6th protests to enter the Capitol building (but he personally doesn't trespass or damage the grounds, etc.). Suspicious behavior. For some weird reason, the FBI hasn't arrested him as an "
    insurrectionist," but anyone else they could possibly track down and locate has had jail time. Not this guy.

    Not sure why Boris the Truther is comparing you to Ray Epps, but remember Boris the Truther also thinks 9/11 was an "inside job" of some sort.

    Isn't that funny, Chucky? The same John who goes on a rant about how the right-wing needs to grab their guns and threatening to put people in the cemetery doesn't know who Ray Epps is.
    So?

    You're an idiot, Chuck. And you're incapable of spotting red flags. Which is pretty much consistent with your belief that Oswald acted alone.

    We both believe Oswald was complicit, don't we?

    When someone uses right-wing tropes calling for violence--especially GUN violence, which leftists are targeting specifically--it doesn't take a January 6 to sniff fed.

    You think John Corbett, a/k/a Bigdog is a Fed? My, your paranoia is boundless.

    You're the reason conservatives are losing the institutional war.

    All I can do is vote, Boris, and unlike those on the Left, I only vote once per election.

    Also, how come you can't prove Soros's DA funding?

    What would you accept?

    Are you a kook?

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  • From Bud@21:1/5 to David Drummond on Wed Aug 30 19:03:32 2023
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 8:19:48 PM UTC-4, David Drummond wrote:

    Ben said this...
    "A person's personal character ALWAYS has a bearing on the statements he makes."
    Ad hominem literally means "against the man".

    "This fallacy occurs when, instead of addressing someone's argument or position, you irrelevantly attack the person or some aspect of the person who is making the argument."

    https://www.txst.edu/philosophy/resources/fallacy-definitions/Ad-Hominem.html

    Exactly what they are doing to Bugliosi.
    Except Bugliosi's penchant for witness intimidation and illegal activity is not irrelevant.

    Yes they are (if they even exist), he had no participation in the investigation of these murders.

    It demonstrates these are lengths which are acceptable within his moral compass to reaching the conclusions he needs to reach.

    His ideas stand or fall on their own strengths.

    His immunity in the matter is even more suspect.

    Whatever that means.

    By siding with Bugliosi, you seem to believe that truth requires coercion.

    How things seem to an idiot isn`t very meaningful.

    This is as far from irrelevant as you can get.

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  • From Bud@21:1/5 to David Drummond on Wed Aug 30 19:23:51 2023
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 8:28:24 PM UTC-4, David Drummond wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 8:19:48 PM UTC-4, David Drummond wrote:

    Ben said this...
    "A person's personal character ALWAYS has a bearing on the statements he makes."
    Ad hominem literally means "against the man".

    "This fallacy occurs when, instead of addressing someone's argument or position, you irrelevantly attack the person or some aspect of the person who is making the argument."

    https://www.txst.edu/philosophy/resources/fallacy-definitions/Ad-Hominem.html

    Exactly what they are doing to Bugliosi.
    Except Bugliosi's penchant for witness intimidation and illegal activity is not irrelevant. It demonstrates these are lengths which are acceptable within his moral compass to reaching the conclusions he needs to reach. His immunity in the matter is
    even more suspect.

    By siding with Bugliosi, you seem to believe that truth requires coercion. This is as far from irrelevant as you can get.
    I mean, if we really want to play the ad hominem game,

    I`m not playing that game at all, you are.

    I'm happy to point out that LNers are forced to align themselves with wife beaters,

    Like your hero Oswald?

    plagiarists,

    I didn`t need Posner to write a book at all. These crimes are easily solved. Not by stumps, of course, they are beyond their capabilities.

    the head of the CIA, bankers, known liars like Marina

    Of course you want to disregard the person who had the most insight to give on this reclusive loner. If you listened to her you might be able to figure these simple things out, and we wouldn`t want that to happen.

    and Hoover, aristocrats and...whatever the opposite of science is.

    You keep making this empty claim that science is on your side, but you neglect to show that it is.

    The same way today's fringe leftists are obliged to side with pedophiles.

    Fringe? The fringe is the one or two sane ones.

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  • From David Drummond@21:1/5 to All on Wed Aug 30 20:09:06 2023

    Also, how come you can't prove Soros's DA funding?

    What would you accept?
    I'm not going to do your homework for you. Lay out your scenario. Let's see it.
    It has been on the table for almost sixty years.

    The master of looking at all the correct things correctly doesn't even know what he's replying to.

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  • From Bud@21:1/5 to David Drummond on Wed Aug 30 19:26:01 2023
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 9:12:34 PM UTC-4, David Drummond wrote:

    Also, how come you can't prove Soros's DA funding?

    What would you accept?
    I'm not going to do your homework for you. Lay out your scenario. Let's see it.

    It has been on the table for almost sixty years.

    The burden of proof is on you. Then we'll discuss it and see if your tinfoil beanie theory holds water.

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  • From David Drummond@21:1/5 to All on Wed Aug 30 20:07:37 2023

    I mean, if we really want to play the ad hominem game,
    I`m not playing that game at all, you are.

    The "I know you are but what am I" argument in lieu of presenting the evidence.

    I'm happy to point out that LNers are forced to align themselves with wife beaters,
    Like your hero Oswald?

    plagiarists,

    I didn`t need Posner to write a book at all.

    The "I accidentally admitted that I knew who you were talking about" argument in lieu of presenting the evidence.


    These crimes are easily solved.

    The "Solving murders is easy" argument in lieu of presenting the evidence.

    the head of the CIA, bankers, known liars like Marina
    Of course you want to disregard the person who had the most insight to give on this reclusive loner. If you listened to her you might be able to figure these simple things out, and we wouldn`t want that to happen.

    The "I forgot Marina contradicted herself constantly, oftentimes within the same breath" argument in lieu of presenting the evidence.

    and Hoover, aristocrats and...whatever the opposite of science is.
    You keep making this empty claim that science is on your side, but you neglect to show that it is.

    The "I didn't read the autopsy report" argument in lieu of presenting the evidence.

    The same way today's fringe leftists are obliged to side with pedophiles.
    Fringe? The fringe is the one or two sane ones.

    The "I unwittingly admitted I'm a pedophile" argument in lieu of presenting the evidence.

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  • From Bud@21:1/5 to David Drummond on Thu Aug 31 04:58:36 2023
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 11:07:39 PM UTC-4, David Drummond wrote:

    I mean, if we really want to play the ad hominem game,
    I`m not playing that game at all, you are.
    The "I know you are but what am I" argument in lieu of presenting the evidence.

    The evidence isn`t the problem. The problem is your inability to process information correctly.

    I'm happy to point out that LNers are forced to align themselves with wife beaters,
    Like your hero Oswald?

    plagiarists,

    I didn`t need Posner to write a book at all.
    The "I accidentally admitted that I knew who you were talking about" argument in lieu of presenting the evidence.

    The evidence isn`t the problem. The problem is your inability to process information correctly.

    These crimes are easily solved.
    The "Solving murders is easy" argument in lieu of presenting the evidence.

    All the evidence in the world can`t help you if you can`t think critically.

    the head of the CIA, bankers, known liars like Marina
    Of course you want to disregard the person who had the most insight to give on this reclusive loner. If you listened to her you might be able to figure these simple things out, and we wouldn`t want that to happen.
    The "I forgot Marina contradicted herself constantly, oftentimes within the same breath" argument in lieu of presenting the evidence.

    You ask for evidence then contrive reasons to disregard the evidence.

    and Hoover, aristocrats and...whatever the opposite of science is.
    You keep making this empty claim that science is on your side, but you neglect to show that it is.
    The "I didn't read the autopsy report" argument in lieu of presenting the evidence.

    The autopsy report is evidence, stupid.

    The same way today's fringe leftists are obliged to side with pedophiles.
    Fringe? The fringe is the one or two sane ones.
    The "I unwittingly admitted I'm a pedophile" argument in lieu of presenting the evidence.

    You brought up pedophilia, projecting much?

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 31 07:36:07 2023
    On Wed, 30 Aug 2023 19:23:51 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirslick@fast.net>
    wrote:


    So, according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval" shape that was
    "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

    Chickenshit is TERRIFIED of this simple honest question. He knows
    that Bugliosi was a moron if he truly thought this... yet you can't
    get Chickenshit to publicly acknowledge that Bugliosi said this.

    It's a simple "Yes" or "No" question, and Chickenshit cannot cite
    where he has EVER answered it. (Without immediately denying it.)

    So it's going to keep getting asked until Chickenshit answers it.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to borisbadenov666@gmail.com on Thu Aug 31 07:36:07 2023
    On Wed, 30 Aug 2023 18:12:33 -0700 (PDT), David Drummond <borisbadenov666@gmail.com> wrote:



    Also, how come you can't prove Soros's DA funding?

    What would you accept?

    I'm not going to do your homework for you. Lay out your scenario. Let's see it. The burden of proof is on you. Then we'll discuss it and see if your tinfoil beanie theory holds water.

    That will neveer happen. Chuckles will be the first to tell you that
    he doesn't have a scenario.

    Of course, all that means is that he's a coward.

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  • From Chuck Schuyler@21:1/5 to David Drummond on Thu Aug 31 07:50:51 2023
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 8:12:34 PM UTC-5, David Drummond wrote:

    Also, how come you can't prove Soros's DA funding?

    What would you accept?

    I'm not going to do your homework for you. Lay out your scenario. Let's see it. The burden of proof is on you. Then we'll discuss it and see if your tinfoil beanie theory holds water.

    Na. You're shifting the burden, not me. Clever attempt. If you're not going to believe Soros himself proclaiming he will continue to back progressive District Attorneys, then I guess you're beyond reach:

    https://mynbc15.com/news/nation-world/soros-doubles-down-says-he-will-continue-to-elect-liberal-prosecutors-in-wsj-op-ed


    WASHINGTON (TND) — In a Wall Street Journal op-ed, billionaire philanthropist George Soros doubled down on his intentions to keep working to elect “reform-minded prosecutors,” and challenged his critics who have blamed recent spikes in crime on
    their policies.

    “I have supported the election (and more recently the re-election) of prosecutors who support reform,” Soros wrote in his Sunday editorial published by the WSJ. “I have done it transparently, and I have no intention of stopping.”

    Soros’s critics say he has fueled a crime crisis via his support of liberal prosecutors that has led to rampant theft, record homicide rates and an overall apathetic attitude among criminals who do not fear retribution for their crimes.

    But Soros challenged this notion in his editorial, arguing “the research I’ve seen says otherwise.”

    “The most rigorous academic study, analyzing data across 35 jurisdictions, shows no connection between the election of reform-minded prosecutors and local crime rates,” Soros wrote. “In fact, violent crime in recent years has generally been
    increasing more quickly in jurisdictions without reform-minded prosecutors.”

    But, according to the Capital Research Center, which tracks left-wing nonprofits, Soros-funded groups have helped elect liberal prosecutors in cities like Philadelphia, Albuquerque, N.M., Jackson, Miss., and Austin, Texas, all of which saw record
    homicide rates in 2021, according to Fox News.

    Former San Francisco District Attorney Chesa Boudin, who was recalled after his “reform-minded” policies were blamed for uncontrolled crime, did not receive direct contributions from Soros funded PACS. However, according to The Washington Times, he
    raised hundreds of thousands of dollars from donors associated with Soros.

    Soros was also a direct and major political donor of Los Angeles District Attorney George Gascón, another prosecutor who is very close to getting recalled due to controversial, criminal-friendly policies in L.A.

    “George Soros controls every Democratic city criminal justice system. You know why?” Fox News contributor Leo Terrell asked in reference to Soros’s Op-Ed. “Because he’s providing the money to George Gascon, to Alvin Bragg, to Kim Fox. He’s
    giving them the money to run their office. Democratic politicians turn their back towards crime because they’re taking their marching orders from George Soros,” Terrell continued. “Every prosecutor in Democratic cities are controlled by George
    Soros.”

    END.

    Whom Soros funds, the groups he's formed and financially backed, etc. is all available online and well known. Based on what I've read here about your basic political leanings (to the Right, like me) you AGREE Soros backs leftist causes of all types, but
    you're taking a page out of your fellow JFK Truther Ben Holmes' playbook and arguing simply to argue. Eristic argumentation. You are arguing for conflict and not clarity.

    Don't do that.

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  • From David Drummond@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 31 07:55:19 2023

    The evidence isn`t the problem. The problem is your inability to process information correctly.

    There's really no point in arguing with Bud. He's a whacky conspiracy theorist. He believes there is a massive plot amongst researchers to amass giant bodies of evidence showing a conspiracy to assassinate JFK in order to undermine the CIA.


    the head of the CIA, bankers, known liars like Marina
    Of course you want to disregard the person who had the most insight to give on this reclusive loner. If you listened to her you might be able to figure these simple things out, and we wouldn`t want that to happen.

    The massive conspiracy to absolve Oswald continues. Now Marina is in on this whacky plot:

    https://www.deseret.com/1988/9/28/18779524/oswald-s-widow-believes-he-didn-t-act-alone


    The "I forgot Marina contradicted herself constantly, oftentimes within the same breath" argument in lieu of presenting the evidence.
    You ask for evidence then contrive reasons to disregard the evidence.

    Marina once again conspiring with the deep state to absolve Oswald, this time insisting there was no motive on LHO's part:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yR4YyaAZF54

    If there was no motive, that leaves only means and opportunity. Which pretty much impugns everyone who was in DP that day, because all the witnesses had opportunity, and any one of them who owned a gun had means. Being Texas, that was likely all of them.

    And yet Bud doesn't want to disregard the person who had the most insight to give on this reclusive loner. Bud is a kook who actually believes the conspiracy theorist Marina. He even referred to her as "evidence." Twice. "You ask for evidence then
    contrive reasons to disregard the evidence."

    Bud is a kook!

    and Hoover, aristocrats and...whatever the opposite of science is.
    You keep making this empty claim that science is on your side, but you neglect to show that it is.
    The "I didn't read the autopsy report" argument in lieu of presenting the evidence.
    The autopsy report is evidence, stupid.

    Now Bud the kook thinks Humes, Boswell and Finck were in on the plot to impeach the deep state by fabricating a giant BOH wound absent of bone and scalp in the occipital/parietal area, when ANYONE with eyes can watch the Z-film and see there is no wound
    at the back of his head at all; Kennedy's HAIR isn't even out of place back there.

    Bud is a kook!

    The same way today's fringe leftists are obliged to side with pedophiles.
    Fringe? The fringe is the one or two sane ones.
    The "I unwittingly admitted I'm a pedophile" argument in lieu of presenting the evidence.
    You brought up pedophilia, projecting much?

    Once again Bud invokes the "I know you are but what am I" defense, because conspiracy theorists like Bud cannot actually discuss the evidence.

    What a kook!

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  • From David Drummond@21:1/5 to Chuck Schuyler on Thu Aug 31 07:57:50 2023
    On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 10:50:55 AM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 8:12:34 PM UTC-5, David Drummond wrote:

    Also, how come you can't prove Soros's DA funding?

    What would you accept?

    I'm not going to do your homework for you. Lay out your scenario. Let's see it. The burden of proof is on you. Then we'll discuss it and see if your tinfoil beanie theory holds water.
    Na. You're shifting the burden, not me. Clever attempt. If you're not going to believe Soros himself proclaiming he will continue to back progressive District Attorneys, then I guess you're beyond reach:

    https://mynbc15.com/news/nation-world/soros-doubles-down-says-he-will-continue-to-elect-liberal-prosecutors-in-wsj-op-ed


    WASHINGTON (TND) — In a Wall Street Journal op-ed, billionaire philanthropist George Soros doubled down on his intentions to keep working to elect “reform-minded prosecutors,” and challenged his critics who have blamed recent spikes in crime on
    their policies.

    “I have supported the election (and more recently the re-election) of prosecutors who support reform,” Soros wrote in his Sunday editorial published by the WSJ. “I have done it transparently, and I have no intention of stopping.”

    Soros’s critics say he has fueled a crime crisis via his support of liberal prosecutors that has led to rampant theft, record homicide rates and an overall apathetic attitude among criminals who do not fear retribution for their crimes.

    But Soros challenged this notion in his editorial, arguing “the research I’ve seen says otherwise.”

    “The most rigorous academic study, analyzing data across 35 jurisdictions, shows no connection between the election of reform-minded prosecutors and local crime rates,” Soros wrote. “In fact, violent crime in recent years has generally been
    increasing more quickly in jurisdictions without reform-minded prosecutors.”

    But, according to the Capital Research Center, which tracks left-wing nonprofits, Soros-funded groups have helped elect liberal prosecutors in cities like Philadelphia, Albuquerque, N.M., Jackson, Miss., and Austin, Texas, all of which saw record
    homicide rates in 2021, according to Fox News.

    Former San Francisco District Attorney Chesa Boudin, who was recalled after his “reform-minded” policies were blamed for uncontrolled crime, did not receive direct contributions from Soros funded PACS. However, according to The Washington Times, he
    raised hundreds of thousands of dollars from donors associated with Soros.

    Soros was also a direct and major political donor of Los Angeles District Attorney George Gascón, another prosecutor who is very close to getting recalled due to controversial, criminal-friendly policies in L.A.

    “George Soros controls every Democratic city criminal justice system. You know why?” Fox News contributor Leo Terrell asked in reference to Soros’s Op-Ed. “Because he’s providing the money to George Gascon, to Alvin Bragg, to Kim Fox. He’s
    giving them the money to run their office. Democratic politicians turn their back towards crime because they’re taking their marching orders from George Soros,” Terrell continued. “Every prosecutor in Democratic cities are controlled by George
    Soros.”

    END.

    Whom Soros funds, the groups he's formed and financially backed, etc. is all available online and well known. Based on what I've read here about your basic political leanings (to the Right, like me) you AGREE Soros backs leftist causes of all types,
    but you're taking a page out of your fellow JFK Truther Ben Holmes' playbook and arguing simply to argue. Eristic argumentation. You are arguing for conflict and not clarity.

    Don't do that.

    Fringe/reset. Statements aren't evidence. Newspaper articles aren't evidence. Polish the tinfoil hat and get back to me.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to borisbadenov666@gmail.com on Thu Aug 31 08:03:46 2023
    On Thu, 31 Aug 2023 07:55:19 -0700 (PDT), David Drummond <borisbadenov666@gmail.com> wrote:


    There's really no point in arguing with Bud. He's a whacky
    conspiracy theorist. He believes there is a massive plot amongst
    researchers to amass giant bodies of evidence showing a conspiracy to assassinate JFK in order to undermine the CIA.


    A brillancy worthy of being reposted from time to time...


    The autopsy report is evidence, stupid.

    Now Bud the kook thinks Humes, Boswell and Finck were in on the plot
    to impeach the deep state by fabricating a giant BOH wound absent of
    bone and scalp in the occipital/parietal area, when ANYONE with eyes
    can watch the Z-film and see there is no wound at the back of his head
    at all; Kennedy's HAIR isn't even out of place back there.

    Bud is a kook!


    He also believes that they dissected neck wound.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to stevemgalbraith@yahoo.com on Thu Aug 31 08:07:51 2023
    On Thu, 31 Aug 2023 08:06:24 -0700 (PDT), Steven Galbraith <stevemgalbraith@yahoo.com> wrote:

    Soros' donations can be found here: https://www.opensecrets.org/donor-lookup/results?name=George+Soros. He's given *directly* to candidates and to PACs that then give the money to progressive DA candidates, e.g. Gascon in LA, Krasner in Philadelphia,
    Bragg in NY (he indicted Trump),
    But this is a meaningless discussion since he's not interested in whether Soros did give to progressive candidates. He's playing a "gotcha" game that he thinks exposes our inconsistency when we examine evidence implicating Oswald versus evidence of
    Soros' donations.

    Of course, the true "gotcha" is that you're a coward unwilling to
    debate a knowledgeable critic.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to chuckschuyler123@gmail.com on Thu Aug 31 08:06:21 2023
    On Thu, 31 Aug 2023 07:50:51 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler <chuckschuyler123@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 8:12:34?PM UTC-5, David Drummond wrote:

    Also, how come you can't prove Soros's DA funding?

    What would you accept?

    I'm not going to do your homework for you. Lay out your scenario. Let's see it. The burden of proof is on you. Then we'll discuss it and see if your tinfoil beanie theory holds water.

    Na. You're shifting the burden, not me.

    Yes David, we must remember that cowards HAVE *NO* BURDENS...

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  • From Chuck Schuyler@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Thu Aug 31 08:09:29 2023
    On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 9:36:25 AM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Wed, 30 Aug 2023 18:12:33 -0700 (PDT), David Drummond <borisba...@gmail.com> wrote:



    Also, how come you can't prove Soros's DA funding?

    What would you accept?

    I'm not going to do your homework for you. Lay out your scenario. Let's see it. The burden of proof is on you. Then we'll discuss it and see if your tinfoil beanie theory holds water.
    That will neveer happen. Chuckles will be the first to tell you that
    he doesn't have a scenario.

    Of course, all that means is that he's a coward.

    I've written that I don't have a scenario that DIFFERS from the historically accepted scenario, which you are familiar with and which can be found online.

    You do.

    You say Oswald was a totally innocent patsy. He wasn't involved in shooting JFK, JBC or JDT.

    Gil agrees with you but says he's not a conspiracist and is focusing on evidence he believes would get Oswald sprung at trial. Perhaps Gil believes another lone nut killed JFK and the cops arrested the wrong guy?

    Boris the Truther once cryptically wrote in a reply to Hank that Oswald was complicit in JFK's murder somehow. He disagrees with you and Gil, but in fear of having his JFK Secret Decoder Ring taken away by Team Oswald, has decided to revert to form and
    shut up.

    Sky Throne thinks Oswald fired at the motorcade from the grassy knoll and hustled back into the TSBD in time for his encounter with Baker and Truly, apparently unseen by others or not caught in photos or on film. Sky Throne also thinks Tippit was killed
    in Dealey Plaza.

    You think Sky Throne may be a LN "plant" of some sort.

    Don thinks JFK was shot on the 5th floor of the TSBD and that Oswald was involved, and the evidence was quickly carted up to the 6th floor for some reason. The black workers on the fifth floor are somehow implicated, but Don isn't saying how.

    You all believe vastly different things that are not compatible, yet waste your time trying to get others to stand in as proxy WC members. It's silly. Different captains on different ships carrying different cargo on different oceans to different ports
    in different directions, yet you all pretend to be part of the same convoy: Team Oswald.

    Why doesn't Team Oswald try and ELIMINATE what DIDN'T happen first instead of shifting the burden and asking others to explain all of the stuff that has you scratching your heads?

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  • From Steven Galbraith@21:1/5 to Chuck Schuyler on Thu Aug 31 08:06:24 2023
    On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 10:50:55 AM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 8:12:34 PM UTC-5, David Drummond wrote:

    Also, how come you can't prove Soros's DA funding?

    What would you accept?

    I'm not going to do your homework for you. Lay out your scenario. Let's see it. The burden of proof is on you. Then we'll discuss it and see if your tinfoil beanie theory holds water.
    Na. You're shifting the burden, not me. Clever attempt. If you're not going to believe Soros himself proclaiming he will continue to back progressive District Attorneys, then I guess you're beyond reach:

    https://mynbc15.com/news/nation-world/soros-doubles-down-says-he-will-continue-to-elect-liberal-prosecutors-in-wsj-op-ed


    WASHINGTON (TND) — In a Wall Street Journal op-ed, billionaire philanthropist George Soros doubled down on his intentions to keep working to elect “reform-minded prosecutors,” and challenged his critics who have blamed recent spikes in crime on
    their policies.

    “I have supported the election (and more recently the re-election) of prosecutors who support reform,” Soros wrote in his Sunday editorial published by the WSJ. “I have done it transparently, and I have no intention of stopping.”

    Soros’s critics say he has fueled a crime crisis via his support of liberal prosecutors that has led to rampant theft, record homicide rates and an overall apathetic attitude among criminals who do not fear retribution for their crimes.

    But Soros challenged this notion in his editorial, arguing “the research I’ve seen says otherwise.”

    “The most rigorous academic study, analyzing data across 35 jurisdictions, shows no connection between the election of reform-minded prosecutors and local crime rates,” Soros wrote. “In fact, violent crime in recent years has generally been
    increasing more quickly in jurisdictions without reform-minded prosecutors.”

    But, according to the Capital Research Center, which tracks left-wing nonprofits, Soros-funded groups have helped elect liberal prosecutors in cities like Philadelphia, Albuquerque, N.M., Jackson, Miss., and Austin, Texas, all of which saw record
    homicide rates in 2021, according to Fox News.

    Former San Francisco District Attorney Chesa Boudin, who was recalled after his “reform-minded” policies were blamed for uncontrolled crime, did not receive direct contributions from Soros funded PACS. However, according to The Washington Times, he
    raised hundreds of thousands of dollars from donors associated with Soros.

    Soros was also a direct and major political donor of Los Angeles District Attorney George Gascón, another prosecutor who is very close to getting recalled due to controversial, criminal-friendly policies in L.A.

    “George Soros controls every Democratic city criminal justice system. You know why?” Fox News contributor Leo Terrell asked in reference to Soros’s Op-Ed. “Because he’s providing the money to George Gascon, to Alvin Bragg, to Kim Fox. He’s
    giving them the money to run their office. Democratic politicians turn their back towards crime because they’re taking their marching orders from George Soros,” Terrell continued. “Every prosecutor in Democratic cities are controlled by George
    Soros.”

    END.

    Whom Soros funds, the groups he's formed and financially backed, etc. is all available online and well known. Based on what I've read here about your basic political leanings (to the Right, like me) you AGREE Soros backs leftist causes of all types,
    but you're taking a page out of your fellow JFK Truther Ben Holmes' playbook and arguing simply to argue. Eristic argumentation. You are arguing for conflict and not clarity.

    Don't do that.
    Soros' donations can be found here: https://www.opensecrets.org/donor-lookup/results?name=George+Soros. He's given *directly* to candidates and to PACs that then give the money to progressive DA candidates, e.g. Gascon in LA, Krasner in Philadelphia,
    Bragg in NY (he indicted Trump),
    But this is a meaningless discussion since he's not interested in whether Soros did give to progressive candidates. He's playing a "gotcha" game that he thinks exposes our inconsistency when we examine evidence implicating Oswald versus evidence of Soros'
    donations.

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  • From Chuck Schuyler@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Thu Aug 31 08:25:44 2023
    On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 10:08:05 AM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 31 Aug 2023 08:06:24 -0700 (PDT), Steven Galbraith <stevemg...@yahoo.com> wrote:

    Soros' donations can be found here: https://www.opensecrets.org/donor-lookup/results?name=George+Soros. He's given *directly* to candidates and to PACs that then give the money to progressive DA candidates, e.g. Gascon in LA, Krasner in Philadelphia,
    Bragg in NY (he indicted Trump),
    But this is a meaningless discussion since he's not interested in whether Soros did give to progressive candidates. He's playing a "gotcha" game that he thinks exposes our inconsistency when we examine evidence implicating Oswald versus evidence of
    Soros' donations.

    Of course, the true "gotcha" is that you're a coward unwilling to
    debate a knowledgeable critic.

    Dunning, call Kruger. Ben is spouting off again about how he's a "knowledgeable" critic.

    Ben, you may get an A+ in JFK Trivia Pursuit, but that's it. You are entertaining though, in the way a monkey having a tantrum flinging poo around a cage is entertaining. Careful, don't hit Boris in the next cage.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to chuckschuyler123@gmail.com on Thu Aug 31 08:38:59 2023
    On Thu, 31 Aug 2023 08:25:44 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler <chuckschuyler123@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 10:08:05?AM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 31 Aug 2023 08:06:24 -0700 (PDT), Steven Galbraith
    <stevemg...@yahoo.com> wrote:

    Soros' donations can be found here: https://www.opensecrets.org/donor-lookup/results?name=George+Soros. He's given *directly* to candidates and to PACs that then give the money to progressive DA candidates, e.g. Gascon in LA, Krasner in Philadelphia,
    Bragg in NY (he indicted Trump),
    But this is a meaningless discussion since he's not interested in whether Soros did give to progressive candidates. He's playing a "gotcha" game that he thinks exposes our inconsistency when we examine evidence implicating Oswald versus evidence of
    Soros' donations.

    Of course, the true "gotcha" is that you're a coward unwilling to
    debate a knowledgeable critic.

    Logical fallacy deleted.

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  • From Bud@21:1/5 to David Drummond on Thu Aug 31 09:54:16 2023
    On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 10:55:21 AM UTC-4, David Drummond wrote:

    The evidence isn`t the problem. The problem is your inability to process information correctly.
    There's really no point in arguing with Bud. He's a whacky conspiracy theorist. He believes there is a massive plot amongst researchers

    No, I think they are idiots who can`t reason correctly.

    to amass giant bodies of evidence showing a conspiracy to assassinate JFK in order to undermine the CIA.

    the head of the CIA, bankers, known liars like Marina
    Of course you want to disregard the person who had the most insight to give on this reclusive loner. If you listened to her you might be able to figure these simple things out, and we wouldn`t want that to happen.
    The massive conspiracy to absolve Oswald continues. Now Marina is in on this whacky plot:

    https://www.deseret.com/1988/9/28/18779524/oswald-s-widow-believes-he-didn-t-act-alone

    Who cares what she believes? She told the WC what she knew. What she told the WC implicated her husband.

    The "I forgot Marina contradicted herself constantly, oftentimes within the same breath" argument in lieu of presenting the evidence.
    You ask for evidence then contrive reasons to disregard the evidence.
    Marina once again conspiring with the deep state to absolve Oswald, this time insisting there was no motive on LHO's part:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yR4YyaAZF54

    Where does she say she made up the part about her husband`s attempt on Walker?

    You need to drop the "I like the sound of this" approach and try applying reason to information. Perhaps you can`t.

    If there was no motive, that leaves only means and opportunity. Which pretty much impugns everyone who was in DP that day, because all the witnesses had opportunity, and any one of them who owned a gun had means. Being Texas, that was likely all of
    them.

    This is why idiots are rarely tapped to conduct investigations.

    And yet Bud doesn't want to disregard the person who had the most insight to give on this reclusive loner.

    And you do, because you have no interest in what actually occurred.

    Bud is a kook who actually believes the conspiracy theorist Marina. He even referred to her as "evidence." Twice. "You ask for evidence then contrive reasons to disregard the evidence."

    You`re using words but you aren`t saying anything.

    Bud is a kook!
    and Hoover, aristocrats and...whatever the opposite of science is.
    You keep making this empty claim that science is on your side, but you neglect to show that it is.
    The "I didn't read the autopsy report" argument in lieu of presenting the evidence.
    The autopsy report is evidence, stupid.
    Now Bud

    Is explaining to an idiot that the autopsy report is evidence.

    the kook thinks Humes, Boswell and Finck were in on the plot to impeach the deep state by fabricating a giant BOH wound absent of bone and scalp in the occipital/parietal area, when ANYONE with eyes can watch the Z-film and see there is no wound at the
    back of his head at all; Kennedy's HAIR isn't even out of place back there.

    Bud is a kook!
    The same way today's fringe leftists are obliged to side with pedophiles.
    Fringe? The fringe is the one or two sane ones.
    The "I unwittingly admitted I'm a pedophile" argument in lieu of presenting the evidence.
    You brought up pedophilia, projecting much?
    Once again Bud invokes the "I know you are but what am I" defense, because conspiracy theorists like Bud cannot actually discuss the evidence.

    I can discuss anything in a reasonable manner. You, not so much.

    What a kook!

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 31 10:34:28 2023
    On Thu, 31 Aug 2023 09:54:16 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirslick@fast.net>
    wrote:


    So, according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval" shape that was
    "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

    Chickenshit is TERRIFIED of this simple honest question. He knows
    that Bugliosi was a moron if he truly thought this... yet you can't
    get Chickenshit to publicly acknowledge that Bugliosi said this.

    It's a simple "Yes" or "No" question, and Chickenshit cannot cite
    where he has EVER answered it. (Without immediately denying it.)

    So it's going to keep getting asked until Chickenshit answers it.

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  • From David Drummond@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 31 10:36:03 2023

    Soros' donations can be found here: https://www.opensecrets.org/donor-lookup/results?name=George+Soros. He's given *directly* to candidates and to PACs that then give the money to progressive DA candidates, e.g. Gascon in LA, Krasner in Philadelphia,
    Bragg in NY (he indicted Trump),
    But this is a meaningless discussion since he's not interested in whether Soros did give to progressive candidates. He's playing a "gotcha" game that he thinks exposes our inconsistency when we examine evidence implicating Oswald versus evidence of
    Soros' donations.

    Steven cites a far-right website as "evidence," because Steven believes in some kooky conspiracy theory that was propagated for the sole purpose of undermining the integrity of the deep state.

    Steven is a nut.

    Steven also fails to establish that these donations are real, or that they are from THAT George Soros as opposed to some random guy with the same name. But what can you expect from a whacky fringe website? Hey, can I cite Gil Jesus's website as evidence
    of whatever I like?

    What a kook Steven is!

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  • From BT George@21:1/5 to John Corbett on Thu Aug 31 11:05:31 2023
    On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 11:41:35 AM UTC-5, John Corbett wrote:
    On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 12:13:55 PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 2:57:27 PM UTC-5, David Drummond wrote:

    Because he looks at the evidence correctly.
    Or should I say, all the answers you need to hear.
    That is an accurate statement. It's accurate because he looks at the evidence correctly.
    Yeah, that Bugliosi has a history if looking at evidence correctly. Remember when he accused his milkman of fathering his son ?

    https://youtu.be/2wPIng0hGxQ

    After reading "Chaos" by Tom O'Neill I'm more than a little convinced that Bugliosi was a planted Intelligence asset.
    Oh, c'mon.
    Naturally the LNers will scoff at that idea, but remember conservatives like Chuck and Bud believe half the District Attorneys in the United States are planted Soros assets, and why is that any less crazy?
    Where did I ever write that? It's true that Soros is giving scads of cash to elect these liberal D.A.s, but it's because of similar views on being lax on crime. The Left apparently wants more crime, the Right does not. The Left is simultaneously
    against guns but is okay with light sentences if you commit crimes with guns. Hard to figure. So far, the majority of voters like Don Willis and David Healy (who are Lefties) in Blue states are voting for this approach.
    We need our guns now more than ever. If these liberal prosecutors aren't going to jail the bastards,
    The good guys are going to be forced to shoot them. One way or another, we are going to have
    to protect ourselves from the scum. It would be better if they were thrown in jail, but putting
    them in the cemetery works too.

    I am huge believer in this principle and I'm nowhere near a "gun nut". One of the most disastrous things going on in our day is a return to going soft on crime and lightly punishing pedophiles, drug lords, and killers.

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  • From Sky Throne 19efppp@21:1/5 to BT George on Thu Aug 31 11:10:22 2023
    On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 2:05:33 PM UTC-4, BT George wrote:
    On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 11:41:35 AM UTC-5, John Corbett wrote:
    On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 12:13:55 PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 2:57:27 PM UTC-5, David Drummond wrote:

    Because he looks at the evidence correctly.
    Or should I say, all the answers you need to hear.
    That is an accurate statement. It's accurate because he looks at the evidence correctly.
    Yeah, that Bugliosi has a history if looking at evidence correctly. Remember when he accused his milkman of fathering his son ?

    https://youtu.be/2wPIng0hGxQ

    After reading "Chaos" by Tom O'Neill I'm more than a little convinced that Bugliosi was a planted Intelligence asset.
    Oh, c'mon.
    Naturally the LNers will scoff at that idea, but remember conservatives like Chuck and Bud believe half the District Attorneys in the United States are planted Soros assets, and why is that any less crazy?
    Where did I ever write that? It's true that Soros is giving scads of cash to elect these liberal D.A.s, but it's because of similar views on being lax on crime. The Left apparently wants more crime, the Right does not. The Left is simultaneously
    against guns but is okay with light sentences if you commit crimes with guns. Hard to figure. So far, the majority of voters like Don Willis and David Healy (who are Lefties) in Blue states are voting for this approach.
    We need our guns now more than ever. If these liberal prosecutors aren't going to jail the bastards,
    The good guys are going to be forced to shoot them. One way or another, we are going to have
    to protect ourselves from the scum. It would be better if they were thrown in jail, but putting
    them in the cemetery works too.

    I am huge believer in this principle and I'm nowhere near a "gun nut". One of the most disastrous things going on in our day is a return to going soft on crime and lightly punishing pedophiles, drug lords, and killers.

    The biggest killers in in the government. How many Ukrainians have Joe Biden, Tony Blinken and Victoria Nuland murdered? 500,000? They need to be tried and hanged for their crimes against humanity.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to borisbadenov666@gmail.com on Thu Aug 31 11:09:39 2023
    On Thu, 31 Aug 2023 10:36:03 -0700 (PDT), David Drummond <borisbadenov666@gmail.com> wrote:


    Soros' donations can be found here: https://www.opensecrets.org/donor-lookup/results?name=George+Soros. He's given *directly* to candidates and to PACs that then give the money to progressive DA candidates, e.g. Gascon in LA, Krasner in Philadelphia,
    Bragg in NY (he indicted Trump),
    But this is a meaningless discussion since he's not interested in whether Soros did give to progressive candidates. He's playing a "gotcha" game that he thinks exposes our inconsistency when we examine evidence implicating Oswald versus evidence of
    Soros' donations.

    Steven cites a far-right website as "evidence," because Steven believes in some kooky conspiracy theory that was propagated for the sole purpose of undermining the integrity of the deep state.

    Steven is a nut.

    Steven also fails to establish that these donations are real, or that they are from THAT George Soros as opposed to some random guy with the same name. But what can you expect from a whacky fringe website? Hey, can I cite Gil Jesus's website as evidence
    of whatever I like?

    What a kook Steven is!

    I'll point out that he's a coward too. He refuses to debate
    knowledgeable critics...

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  • From David Drummond@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 31 10:24:42 2023

    The massive conspiracy to absolve Oswald continues. Now Marina is in on this whacky plot:

    https://www.deseret.com/1988/9/28/18779524/oswald-s-widow-believes-he-didn-t-act-alone
    Who cares what she believes?

    lol, well THAT was a fast pivot. Now it's "Who cares what Marina believes?" She's only the person who had the most insight to give on this reclusive loner. Bud asks for evidence and then contrives reasons to disregard the evidence. What a kook!



    And yet Bud doesn't want to disregard the person who had the most insight to give on this reclusive loner.
    And you do, because you have no interest in what actually occurred.

    I mean...I *don't* disregard her. Like...I actually just cited her twice. And remind me again what you said? "Who cares what she believes?" I'm actually quite amazed at how bad you are at this. Remember when AOC said the 2020 rioters just wanted bread?
    You're currently on par with that level of intellectual dishonesty. I'll tell you now, this will be hard to top.



    The autopsy report is evidence, stupid.
    Now Bud
    Is explaining to an idiot that the autopsy report is evidence.
    the kook thinks Humes, Boswell and Finck were in on the plot to impeach the deep state by fabricating a giant BOH wound absent of bone and scalp in the occipital/parietal area, when ANYONE with eyes can watch the Z-film and see there is no wound at
    the back of his head at all; Kennedy's HAIR isn't even out of place back there.

    And Bud just topped it. With silence.

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  • From Bud@21:1/5 to David Drummond on Thu Aug 31 11:32:28 2023
    On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 1:24:43 PM UTC-4, David Drummond wrote:

    The massive conspiracy to absolve Oswald continues. Now Marina is in on this whacky plot:

    https://www.deseret.com/1988/9/28/18779524/oswald-s-widow-believes-he-didn-t-act-alone
    Who cares what she believes?
    lol, well THAT was a fast pivot. Now it's "Who cares what Marina believes?"

    You are too stupid to make the distinction between what he she believes and what she knew.

    She's only the person who had the most insight to give on this reclusive loner. Bud asks for evidence and then contrives reasons to disregard the evidence. What a kook!

    And yet Bud doesn't want to disregard the person who had the most insight to give on this reclusive loner.
    And you do, because you have no interest in what actually occurred.
    I mean...I *don't* disregard her. Like...I actually just cited her twice.

    And I looked at what you produced correctly. She was expressing her beliefs.

    It might be interesting to see how justify those beliefs against what she testified to about the attempt her husband made on Walker`s life. He attempted *that* political assassination but not the one on the doorstep of her husband`s work?

    And remind me again what you said? "Who cares what she believes?"

    Now all you need to do is figure out what "belief" means.

    I'm actually quite amazed at how bad you are at this.

    I`m great at using words you don`t understand.

    Remember when AOC said the 2020 rioters just wanted bread? You're currently on par with that level of intellectual dishonesty. I'll tell you now, this will be hard to top.

    The autopsy report is evidence, stupid.
    Now Bud
    Is explaining to an idiot that the autopsy report is evidence.
    the kook thinks Humes, Boswell and Finck were in on the plot to impeach the deep state by fabricating a giant BOH wound absent of bone and scalp in the occipital/parietal area, when ANYONE with eyes can watch the Z-film and see there is no wound at
    the back of his head at all; Kennedy's HAIR isn't even out of place back there.
    And Bud just topped it. With silence.

    Why was your misrepresentation of my position worthy of comment?

    The autopsy places the large wound on the side of Kennedy`s head using anatomical landmarks. Coincidently those landmarks put it right where it can be seen in the z-film.

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  • From David Drummond@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 31 13:11:28 2023

    The massive conspiracy to absolve Oswald continues. Now Marina is in on this whacky plot:

    https://www.deseret.com/1988/9/28/18779524/oswald-s-widow-believes-he-didn-t-act-alone
    Who cares what she believes?
    lol, well THAT was a fast pivot. Now it's "Who cares what Marina believes?"
    You are too stupid to make the distinction between what he she believes and what she knew.

    Fascinating. So you claim that she believes one thing but knows another. I'm not even going to ask how that works. I guess what I'll ask is, what gives you the authority to decide which things she "knows" from which things she "believes." As you are an
    obvious expert on the human mind, we're all ears.


    She told the WC what she knew. What she told the WC implicated her husband.

    Ah, so she knew something to be true, but told the WC otherwise? We have a word for people like that. It's called liar.

    She's only the person who had the most insight to give on this reclusive loner.

    How much insight could she have had? Nothing she believed turned out to be true.

    What a kook!


    And remind me again what you said? "Who cares what she believes?"
    Now all you need to do is figure out what "belief" means.

    I can tell you the root word of belief is "belie." Which means to disguise or give a false impression of.

    You know...lie.

    I'm actually quite amazed at how bad you are at this.
    I`m great at using words you don`t understand.
    Remember when AOC said the 2020 rioters just wanted bread? You're currently on par with that level of intellectual dishonesty. I'll tell you now, this will be hard to top.

    The autopsy report is evidence, stupid.
    Now Bud
    Is explaining to an idiot that the autopsy report is evidence.
    the kook thinks Humes, Boswell and Finck were in on the plot to impeach the deep state by fabricating a giant BOH wound absent of bone and scalp in the occipital/parietal area, when ANYONE with eyes can watch the Z-film and see there is no wound
    at the back of his head at all; Kennedy's HAIR isn't even out of place back there.

    Still silence here. Unfortunately Bud is unwilling to parse what he "believes" about the autopsy report versus what he "knows" to be true about it.

    lol. lmao, even.


    The autopsy places the large wound on the side of Kennedy`s head using anatomical landmarks. Coincidently those landmarks put it right where it can be seen in the z-film.

    Remind us which part of the occipital bone is on the side of the head. We'll wait.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 31 12:38:42 2023
    On Thu, 31 Aug 2023 11:32:28 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirslick@fast.net>
    wrote:


    So, according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval" shape that was
    "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

    Chickenshit is TERRIFIED of this simple honest question. He knows
    that Bugliosi was a moron if he truly thought this... yet you can't
    get Chickenshit to publicly acknowledge that Bugliosi said this.

    It's a simple "Yes" or "No" question, and Chickenshit cannot cite
    where he has EVER answered it. (Without immediately denying it.)

    So it's going to keep getting asked until Chickenshit answers it.

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  • From John Corbett@21:1/5 to Chuck Schuyler on Thu Aug 31 13:16:43 2023
    On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 11:09:30 AM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 9:36:25 AM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Wed, 30 Aug 2023 18:12:33 -0700 (PDT), David Drummond <borisba...@gmail.com> wrote:



    Also, how come you can't prove Soros's DA funding?

    What would you accept?

    I'm not going to do your homework for you. Lay out your scenario. Let's see it. The burden of proof is on you. Then we'll discuss it and see if your tinfoil beanie theory holds water.
    That will neveer happen. Chuckles will be the first to tell you that
    he doesn't have a scenario.

    Of course, all that means is that he's a coward.
    I've written that I don't have a scenario that DIFFERS from the historically accepted scenario, which you are familiar with and which can be found online.

    You do.

    You say Oswald was a totally innocent patsy. He wasn't involved in shooting JFK, JBC or JDT.

    Gil agrees with you but says he's not a conspiracist and is focusing on evidence he believes would get Oswald sprung at trial. Perhaps Gil believes another lone nut killed JFK and the cops arrested the wrong guy?

    Seems like a worthwhile endeavor. Preparing a defense for a dead client in a trial that's never
    going to happen. One thing is for sure. His client will never be convicted. WTG, Gil.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to geowright1963@gmail.com on Thu Aug 31 13:18:31 2023
    On Thu, 31 Aug 2023 13:16:43 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett <geowright1963@gmail.com> wrote:

    Seems like a worthwhile endeavor. Preparing a defense for a dead client in a trial that's never
    going to happen. One thing is for sure. His client will never be convicted. WTG, Gil.

    Only believers & kooks make such claims.

    Strangely enough, critics are simply too smart to make such STUPID
    claims...

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  • From John Corbett@21:1/5 to David Drummond on Thu Aug 31 13:22:44 2023
    On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 10:55:21 AM UTC-4, David Drummond wrote:

    The evidence isn`t the problem. The problem is your inability to process information correctly.
    There's really no point in arguing with Bud. He's a whacky conspiracy theorist. He believes there is a massive plot amongst researchers to amass giant bodies of evidence showing a conspiracy to assassinate JFK in order to undermine the CIA.

    the head of the CIA, bankers, known liars like Marina
    Of course you want to disregard the person who had the most insight to give on this reclusive loner. If you listened to her you might be able to figure these simple things out, and we wouldn`t want that to happen.
    The massive conspiracy to absolve Oswald continues. Now Marina is in on this whacky plot:

    https://www.deseret.com/1988/9/28/18779524/oswald-s-widow-believes-he-didn-t-act-alone
    The "I forgot Marina contradicted herself constantly, oftentimes within the same breath" argument in lieu of presenting the evidence.
    You ask for evidence then contrive reasons to disregard the evidence.
    Marina once again conspiring with the deep state to absolve Oswald, this time insisting there was no motive on LHO's part:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yR4YyaAZF54

    If there was no motive, that leaves only means and opportunity. Which pretty much impugns everyone who was in DP that day, because all the witnesses had opportunity, and any one of them who owned a gun had means. Being Texas, that was likely all of
    them.

    A lot of people had the opportunity but only one guy had the means. That would be the guy who
    owned the murder weapon and snuck it into his workplace in a brown paper sack which he had
    constructed from materials in his employers shipping room.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to geowright1963@gmail.com on Thu Aug 31 13:33:48 2023
    On Thu, 31 Aug 2023 13:22:44 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett <geowright1963@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 10:55:21?AM UTC-4, David Drummond wrote:

    The evidence isn`t the problem. The problem is your inability to process information correctly.
    There's really no point in arguing with Bud. He's a whacky conspiracy theorist. He believes there is a massive plot amongst researchers to amass giant bodies of evidence showing a conspiracy to assassinate JFK in order to undermine the CIA.

    the head of the CIA, bankers, known liars like Marina
    Of course you want to disregard the person who had the most insight to give on this reclusive loner. If you listened to her you might be able to figure these simple things out, and we wouldn`t want that to happen.
    The massive conspiracy to absolve Oswald continues. Now Marina is in on this whacky plot:

    https://www.deseret.com/1988/9/28/18779524/oswald-s-widow-believes-he-didn-t-act-alone
    The "I forgot Marina contradicted herself constantly, oftentimes within the same breath" argument in lieu of presenting the evidence.
    You ask for evidence then contrive reasons to disregard the evidence.
    Marina once again conspiring with the deep state to absolve Oswald, this time insisting there was no motive on LHO's part:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yR4YyaAZF54

    If there was no motive, that leaves only means and opportunity. Which pretty much impugns everyone who was in DP that day, because all the witnesses had opportunity, and any one of them who owned a gun had means. Being Texas, that was likely all of
    them.

    A lot of people had the opportunity but only one guy had the means.


    A logical fallacy known as begging the question.


    That would be the guy who owned the murder weapon


    Can yiou *prove* who owned that Mannlicher Carcano? Can you CITE the
    evidence so that others can examine it?


    and snuck it into his workplace in a brown paper sack which he had >constructed from materials in his employers shipping room.


    Sheer speculation not founded on ANY EVIDENCE AT ALL!

    This is the best you could do, Corbutt?

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  • From Bud@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Thu Aug 31 13:36:39 2023
    On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 4:18:45 PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 31 Aug 2023 13:16:43 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett
    <geowri...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Seems like a worthwhile endeavor. Preparing a defense for a dead client in a trial that's never
    going to happen. One thing is for sure. His client will never be convicted. WTG, Gil.
    Only believers & kooks make such claims.

    Strangely enough, critics are simply too smart to make such STUPID
    claims...

    Giving Gil WAY too much credit.

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  • From Bud@21:1/5 to David Drummond on Thu Aug 31 13:35:55 2023
    On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 4:11:31 PM UTC-4, David Drummond wrote:

    The massive conspiracy to absolve Oswald continues. Now Marina is in on this whacky plot:

    https://www.deseret.com/1988/9/28/18779524/oswald-s-widow-believes-he-didn-t-act-alone
    Who cares what she believes?
    lol, well THAT was a fast pivot. Now it's "Who cares what Marina believes?"
    You are too stupid to make the distinction between what he she believes and what she knew.
    Fascinating. So you claim that she believes one thing but knows another.

    I think I can make a distinction between the two works that you cannot.

    I'm not even going to ask how that works. I guess what I'll ask is, what gives you the authority to decide which things she "knows" from which things she "believes." As you are an obvious expert on the human mind, we're all ears.

    But no brains. Look up the words "belief" and the words "knowledge" and with the meaning of those two words in mind apply them to the information she related.

    She told the WC what she knew. What she told the WC implicated her husband.
    Ah, so she knew something to be true, but told the WC otherwise?

    Like?

    We have a word for people like that. It's called liar.

    It is called be desperate to disregard the best person to give insight into Lee Harvey Oswald.

    She's only the person who had the most insight to give on this reclusive loner.
    How much insight could she have had? Nothing she believed turned out to be true.

    Yes, her reasoning seems to be on a par with your own. But the WC wasn`t trying to extract her beliefs, just her knowledge.

    What a kook!

    And remind me again what you said? "Who cares what she believes?"
    Now all you need to do is figure out what "belief" means.
    I can tell you the root word of belief is "belie."

    That`s a different word, stupid, not the "root".

    Which means to disguise or give a false impression of.

    You know...lie.
    I'm actually quite amazed at how bad you are at this.
    I`m great at using words you don`t understand.
    Remember when AOC said the 2020 rioters just wanted bread? You're currently on par with that level of intellectual dishonesty. I'll tell you now, this will be hard to top.

    The autopsy report is evidence, stupid.
    Now Bud
    Is explaining to an idiot that the autopsy report is evidence.
    the kook thinks Humes, Boswell and Finck were in on the plot to impeach the deep state by fabricating a giant BOH wound absent of bone and scalp in the occipital/parietal area, when ANYONE with eyes can watch the Z-film and see there is no wound
    at the back of his head at all; Kennedy's HAIR isn't even out of place back there.
    Still silence here.

    Best response to meaningless noise.

    Unfortunately Bud is unwilling to parse what he "believes" about the autopsy report versus what he "knows" to be true about it.

    I know the autopsy report is evidence. Have you figured that out yet?

    lol. lmao, even.

    The autopsy places the large wound on the side of Kennedy`s head using anatomical landmarks. Coincidently those landmarks put it right where it can be seen in the z-film.
    Remind us which part of the occipital bone is on the side of the head.

    Quite a bit of it...

    https://www.health.qld.gov.au/__data/assets/image/0029/448139/occipital.gif


    We'll wait.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 31 13:40:52 2023
    On Thu, 31 Aug 2023 13:35:55 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirslick@fast.net>
    wrote:


    So, according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval" shape that was
    "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

    Chickenshit is TERRIFIED of this simple honest question. He knows
    that Bugliosi was a moron if he truly thought this... yet you can't
    get Chickenshit to publicly acknowledge that Bugliosi said this.

    It's a simple "Yes" or "No" question, and Chickenshit cannot cite
    where he has EVER answered it. (Without immediately denying it.)

    So it's going to keep getting asked until Chickenshit answers it.

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  • From Bud@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Thu Aug 31 13:40:20 2023
    On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 4:34:04 PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 31 Aug 2023 13:22:44 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett
    <geowri...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 10:55:21?AM UTC-4, David Drummond wrote: >>>
    The evidence isn`t the problem. The problem is your inability to process information correctly.
    There's really no point in arguing with Bud. He's a whacky conspiracy theorist. He believes there is a massive plot amongst researchers to amass giant bodies of evidence showing a conspiracy to assassinate JFK in order to undermine the CIA.

    the head of the CIA, bankers, known liars like Marina
    Of course you want to disregard the person who had the most insight to give on this reclusive loner. If you listened to her you might be able to figure these simple things out, and we wouldn`t want that to happen.
    The massive conspiracy to absolve Oswald continues. Now Marina is in on this whacky plot:

    https://www.deseret.com/1988/9/28/18779524/oswald-s-widow-believes-he-didn-t-act-alone
    The "I forgot Marina contradicted herself constantly, oftentimes within the same breath" argument in lieu of presenting the evidence.
    You ask for evidence then contrive reasons to disregard the evidence.
    Marina once again conspiring with the deep state to absolve Oswald, this time insisting there was no motive on LHO's part:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yR4YyaAZF54

    If there was no motive, that leaves only means and opportunity. Which pretty much impugns everyone who was in DP that day, because all the witnesses had opportunity, and any one of them who owned a gun had means. Being Texas, that was likely all of
    them.

    A lot of people had the opportunity but only one guy had the means.
    A logical fallacy known as begging the question.
    That would be the guy who owned the murder weapon
    Can yiou *prove* who owned that Mannlicher Carcano? Can you CITE the evidence so that others can examine it?
    and snuck it into his workplace in a brown paper sack which he had >constructed from materials in his employers shipping room.
    Sheer speculation not founded on ANY EVIDENCE AT ALL!

    You have to look at the available information correctly.

    This is the best you could do, Corbutt?

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 31 13:41:34 2023
    On Thu, 31 Aug 2023 13:36:39 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirslick@fast.net>
    wrote:


    So, according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval" shape that was
    "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

    Chickenshit is TERRIFIED of this simple honest question. He knows
    that Bugliosi was a moron if he truly thought this... yet you can't
    get Chickenshit to publicly acknowledge that Bugliosi said this.

    It's a simple "Yes" or "No" question, and Chickenshit cannot cite
    where he has EVER answered it. (Without immediately denying it.)

    So it's going to keep getting asked until Chickenshit answers it.

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  • From David Drummond@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 31 13:46:40 2023

    Remind us which part of the occipital bone is on the side of the head.
    Quite a bit of it...

    https://www.health.qld.gov.au/__data/assets/image/0029/448139/occipital.gif

    The troll who looks at "all the correct things correctly" doesn't even understand the difference between bones and lobes. I can ask again if you'd like. Which part of the occipital BONE is on the side of the head? You can use this to help you...

    https://training.seer.cancer.gov/anatomy/skeletal/divisions/axial.html



    We'll wait.

    Still waiting.

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  • From John Corbett@21:1/5 to David Drummond on Thu Aug 31 14:03:45 2023
    On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 4:46:42 PM UTC-4, David Drummond wrote:

    Remind us which part of the occipital bone is on the side of the head.
    Quite a bit of it...

    https://www.health.qld.gov.au/__data/assets/image/0029/448139/occipital.gif
    The troll who looks at "all the correct things correctly" doesn't even understand the difference between bones and lobes. I can ask again if you'd like. Which part of the occipital BONE is on the side of the head? You can use this to help you...

    Why do you pretend the defect was limited to the occipital bone? The defect was chiefly parietal, which means in was primarily on the upper right side of the skull. Only the rear tip of
    the defect extended into the occipital bone.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 31 13:58:59 2023
    On Thu, 31 Aug 2023 13:52:21 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirslick@fast.net>
    wrote:


    So, according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval" shape that was
    "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

    Chickenshit is TERRIFIED of this simple honest question. He knows
    that Bugliosi was a moron if he truly thought this... yet you can't
    get Chickenshit to publicly acknowledge that Bugliosi said this.

    It's a simple "Yes" or "No" question, and Chickenshit cannot cite
    where he has EVER answered it. (Without immediately denying it.)

    So it's going to keep getting asked until Chickenshit answers it.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Bud@21:1/5 to David Drummond on Thu Aug 31 13:52:21 2023
    On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 4:46:42 PM UTC-4, David Drummond wrote:

    Remind us which part of the occipital bone is on the side of the head.
    Quite a bit of it...

    https://www.health.qld.gov.au/__data/assets/image/0029/448139/occipital.gif
    The troll who looks at "all the correct things correctly" doesn't even understand the difference between bones and lobes.

    Explain the difference between the two areas.

    I can ask again if you'd like. Which part of the occipital BONE is on the side of the head? You can use this to help you...

    https://training.seer.cancer.gov/anatomy/skeletal/divisions/axial.html

    You are still producing a side view that shows occipital bone.



    We'll wait.

    Still waiting.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to geowright1963@gmail.com on Thu Aug 31 14:10:41 2023
    On Thu, 31 Aug 2023 14:03:45 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett <geowright1963@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 4:46:42?PM UTC-4, David Drummond wrote:

    Remind us which part of the occipital bone is on the side of the head. >> > Quite a bit of it...

    https://www.health.qld.gov.au/__data/assets/image/0029/448139/occipital.gif
    The troll who looks at "all the correct things correctly" doesn't even understand the difference between bones and lobes. I can ask again if you'd like. Which part of the occipital BONE is on the side of the head? You can use this to help you...

    Why do you pretend the defect was limited to the occipital bone?


    You're lying again, Corbutt.

    Why don't you QUOTE David saying what you just claimed?

    This is truly sad, that believers have to make up things to "refute" -
    because they can't deal with what is ACTUALLY said.


    The defect was chiefly parietal, which means in was primarily on the
    upper right side of the skull. Only the rear tip of
    the defect extended into the occipital bone.


    And, as **NO** part of the occipital is anywhere other than the BACK
    of the head - the large wound was in the back of the head. Indeed, a
    good portion of the Parietal is ALSO in the back of the head.

    You lose...

    As believers do...

    EVERY

    SINGLE

    TIME!

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 31 14:23:26 2023
    On Thu, 31 Aug 2023 14:18:13 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirslick@fast.net>
    wrote:


    So, according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval" shape that was
    "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

    Chickenshit is TERRIFIED of this simple honest question. He knows
    that Bugliosi was a moron if he truly thought this... yet you can't
    get Chickenshit to publicly acknowledge that Bugliosi said this.

    It's a simple "Yes" or "No" question, and Chickenshit cannot cite
    where he has EVER answered it. (Without immediately denying it.)

    So it's going to keep getting asked until Chickenshit answers it.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From David Drummond@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 31 14:24:37 2023

    The troll who looks at "all the correct things correctly" doesn't even understand the difference between bones and lobes. I can ask again if you'd like. Which part of the occipital BONE is on the side of the head? You can use this to help you...

    Why do you pretend the defect was limited to the occipital bone?
    You're lying again, Corbutt.

    Why don't you QUOTE David saying what you just claimed?

    This is truly sad, that believers have to make up things to "refute" - because they can't deal with what is ACTUALLY said.
    The defect was chiefly parietal, which means in was primarily on the
    upper right side of the skull. Only the rear tip of
    the defect extended into the occipital bone.
    And, as **NO** part of the occipital is anywhere other than the BACK
    of the head - the large wound was in the back of the head. Indeed, a
    good portion of the Parietal is ALSO in the back of the head.

    lol, Bud "believes" the occipital bone is on the side of the head, but he "knows" it's at the back.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Bud@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Thu Aug 31 14:18:13 2023
    On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 5:10:58 PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 31 Aug 2023 14:03:45 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett
    <geowri...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 4:46:42?PM UTC-4, David Drummond wrote:

    Remind us which part of the occipital bone is on the side of the head.
    Quite a bit of it...

    https://www.health.qld.gov.au/__data/assets/image/0029/448139/occipital.gif
    The troll who looks at "all the correct things correctly" doesn't even understand the difference between bones and lobes. I can ask again if you'd like. Which part of the occipital BONE is on the side of the head? You can use this to help you...

    Why do you pretend the defect was limited to the occipital bone?
    You're lying again, Corbutt.

    Why don't you QUOTE David saying what you just claimed?

    This is truly sad, that believers have to make up things to "refute" - because they can't deal with what is ACTUALLY said.
    The defect was chiefly parietal, which means in was primarily on the
    upper right side of the skull. Only the rear tip of
    the defect extended into the occipital bone.
    And, as **NO** part of the occipital is anywhere other than the BACK
    of the head -

    Then why is it visible on the side?

    the large wound was in the back of the head. Indeed, a
    good portion of the Parietal is ALSO in the back of the head.

    You lose...

    As believers do...

    EVERY

    SINGLE

    TIME!

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Bud@21:1/5 to David Drummond on Thu Aug 31 14:26:44 2023
    On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 5:24:39 PM UTC-4, David Drummond wrote:

    The troll who looks at "all the correct things correctly" doesn't even understand the difference between bones and lobes. I can ask again if you'd like. Which part of the occipital BONE is on the side of the head? You can use this to help you...

    Why do you pretend the defect was limited to the occipital bone?
    You're lying again, Corbutt.

    Why don't you QUOTE David saying what you just claimed?

    This is truly sad, that believers have to make up things to "refute" - because they can't deal with what is ACTUALLY said.
    The defect was chiefly parietal, which means in was primarily on the upper right side of the skull. Only the rear tip of
    the defect extended into the occipital bone.
    And, as **NO** part of the occipital is anywhere other than the BACK
    of the head - the large wound was in the back of the head. Indeed, a
    good portion of the Parietal is ALSO in the back of the head.
    lol, Bud "believes" the occipital bone is on the side of the head, but he "knows" it's at the back.

    I know it can be seen from the side.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 31 15:04:59 2023
    On Thu, 31 Aug 2023 14:26:44 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirslick@fast.net>
    wrote:


    So, according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval" shape that was
    "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

    Chickenshit is TERRIFIED of this simple honest question. He knows
    that Bugliosi was a moron if he truly thought this... yet you can't
    get Chickenshit to publicly acknowledge that Bugliosi said this.

    It's a simple "Yes" or "No" question, and Chickenshit cannot cite
    where he has EVER answered it. (Without immediately denying it.)

    So it's going to keep getting asked until Chickenshit answers it.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to borisbadenov666@gmail.com on Thu Aug 31 15:04:25 2023
    On Thu, 31 Aug 2023 14:24:37 -0700 (PDT), David Drummond <borisbadenov666@gmail.com> wrote:


    The troll who looks at "all the correct things correctly" doesn't even understand the difference between bones and lobes. I can ask again if you'd like. Which part of the occipital BONE is on the side of the head? You can use this to help you...

    Why do you pretend the defect was limited to the occipital bone?
    You're lying again, Corbutt.

    Why don't you QUOTE David saying what you just claimed?

    This is truly sad, that believers have to make up things to "refute" -
    because they can't deal with what is ACTUALLY said.

    The defect was chiefly parietal, which means in was primarily on the
    upper right side of the skull. Only the rear tip of
    the defect extended into the occipital bone.

    And, as **NO** part of the occipital is anywhere other than the BACK
    of the head - the large wound was in the back of the head. Indeed, a
    good portion of the Parietal is ALSO in the back of the head.

    lol, Bud "believes" the occipital bone is on the side of the head, but he "knows" it's at the back.

    He believes a lot of things that just aren't so...

    He also believes that the "A.B.C.D." in the Autopsy report was
    describing the wound location... but is TERRIFIED of quoting the
    paragraph introducing that "A.B.C.D."

    He also believes that the throat wound was dissected, despite sworn
    testimony to the contrary.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Bud@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Thu Aug 31 15:33:47 2023
    On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 6:04:42 PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 31 Aug 2023 14:24:37 -0700 (PDT), David Drummond <borisba...@gmail.com> wrote:


    The troll who looks at "all the correct things correctly" doesn't even understand the difference between bones and lobes. I can ask again if you'd like. Which part of the occipital BONE is on the side of the head? You can use this to help you...

    Why do you pretend the defect was limited to the occipital bone?
    You're lying again, Corbutt.

    Why don't you QUOTE David saying what you just claimed?

    This is truly sad, that believers have to make up things to "refute" -
    because they can't deal with what is ACTUALLY said.

    The defect was chiefly parietal, which means in was primarily on the
    upper right side of the skull. Only the rear tip of
    the defect extended into the occipital bone.

    And, as **NO** part of the occipital is anywhere other than the BACK
    of the head - the large wound was in the back of the head. Indeed, a
    good portion of the Parietal is ALSO in the back of the head.

    lol, Bud "believes" the occipital bone is on the side of the head, but he "knows" it's at the back.
    He believes a lot of things that just aren't so...

    He also believes that the "A.B.C.D." in the Autopsy report was
    describing the wound location...

    Of course it is. This is established various ways, including what is written afterwards...

    "Clearly visible in the above described large skull defect..."

    but is TERRIFIED of quoting the
    paragraph introducing that "A.B.C.D."

    I leave it to the dishonest people to isolate information so they can avoid the truth.

    He also believes that the throat wound was dissected, despite sworn testimony to the contrary.

    Your dishonest reading of testimony.

    Things that are described require dissection.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 31 15:46:29 2023
    On Thu, 31 Aug 2023 15:33:47 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirslick@fast.net>
    wrote:


    So, according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval" shape that was
    "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

    Chickenshit is TERRIFIED of this simple honest question. He knows
    that Bugliosi was a moron if he truly thought this... yet you can't
    get Chickenshit to publicly acknowledge that Bugliosi said this.

    It's a simple "Yes" or "No" question, and Chickenshit cannot cite
    where he has EVER answered it. (Without immediately denying it.)

    So it's going to keep getting asked until Chickenshit answers it.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Bud@21:1/5 to John Corbett on Thu Aug 31 15:41:08 2023
    On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 5:03:46 PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 4:46:42 PM UTC-4, David Drummond wrote:

    Remind us which part of the occipital bone is on the side of the head.
    Quite a bit of it...

    https://www.health.qld.gov.au/__data/assets/image/0029/448139/occipital.gif
    The troll who looks at "all the correct things correctly" doesn't even understand the difference between bones and lobes. I can ask again if you'd like. Which part of the occipital BONE is on the side of the head? You can use this to help you...

    Why do you pretend the defect was limited to the occipital bone?

    [Raises hand] I know, I know! Because they are dishonest and have no interest in the truth so they try to isolate information so they can look at it incorrectly.

    The defect was chiefly parietal, which means in was primarily on the upper right side of the skull. Only the rear tip of
    the defect extended into the occipital bone.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to borisbadenov666@gmail.com on Thu Aug 31 16:26:58 2023
    On Thu, 31 Aug 2023 16:23:57 -0700 (PDT), David Drummond <borisbadenov666@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 6:41:10?PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
    On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 5:03:46?PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 4:46:42?PM UTC-4, David Drummond wrote: >>>>>
    Remind us which part of the occipital bone is on the side of the head. >>>>> Quite a bit of it...

    https://www.health.qld.gov.au/__data/assets/image/0029/448139/occipital.gif
    The troll who looks at "all the correct things correctly" doesn't even understand the difference between bones and lobes. I can ask again if you'd like. Which part of the occipital BONE is on the side of the head? You can use this to help you...

    Why do you pretend the defect was limited to the occipital bone?
    [Raises hand] I know, I know! Because they are dishonest and have no interest in the truth so they try to isolate information so they can look at it incorrectly.

    Is this what you "believe" or what you "know"?

    Those things are opposable, allegedly.


    It's a certainty that he can't cite for his empty claims.

    And Chickenshit himself proclaims that uncited empty claims are lies.

    So he clearly believes ... lies.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From David Drummond@21:1/5 to Bud on Thu Aug 31 16:23:57 2023
    On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 6:41:10 PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
    On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 5:03:46 PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 4:46:42 PM UTC-4, David Drummond wrote:

    Remind us which part of the occipital bone is on the side of the head.
    Quite a bit of it...

    https://www.health.qld.gov.au/__data/assets/image/0029/448139/occipital.gif
    The troll who looks at "all the correct things correctly" doesn't even understand the difference between bones and lobes. I can ask again if you'd like. Which part of the occipital BONE is on the side of the head? You can use this to help you...

    Why do you pretend the defect was limited to the occipital bone?
    [Raises hand] I know, I know! Because they are dishonest and have no interest in the truth so they try to isolate information so they can look at it incorrectly.


    Is this what you "believe" or what you "know"?

    Those things are opposable, allegedly.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From David Drummond@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Thu Aug 31 16:36:39 2023
    On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 7:27:16 PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 31 Aug 2023 16:23:57 -0700 (PDT), David Drummond <borisba...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 6:41:10?PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
    On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 5:03:46?PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 4:46:42?PM UTC-4, David Drummond wrote: >>>>>
    Remind us which part of the occipital bone is on the side of the head.
    Quite a bit of it...

    https://www.health.qld.gov.au/__data/assets/image/0029/448139/occipital.gif
    The troll who looks at "all the correct things correctly" doesn't even understand the difference between bones and lobes. I can ask again if you'd like. Which part of the occipital BONE is on the side of the head? You can use this to help you...

    Why do you pretend the defect was limited to the occipital bone?
    [Raises hand] I know, I know! Because they are dishonest and have no interest in the truth so they try to isolate information so they can look at it incorrectly.

    Is this what you "believe" or what you "know"?

    Those things are opposable, allegedly.
    It's a certainty that he can't cite for his empty claims.

    And Chickenshit himself proclaims that uncited empty claims are lies.

    So he clearly believes ... lies.

    They're imbeciles en masse as a general rule, but Bud has been having an exceptionally bad day, making even less sense than usual. He sounds like that character in One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest that had the lobotomy and drooled a lot. Such things
    happen when you're fed a diet of 100% pure Deep State entrails day and night.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Bud@21:1/5 to David Drummond on Thu Aug 31 16:42:58 2023
    On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 7:23:59 PM UTC-4, David Drummond wrote:
    On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 6:41:10 PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
    On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 5:03:46 PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 4:46:42 PM UTC-4, David Drummond wrote:

    Remind us which part of the occipital bone is on the side of the head.
    Quite a bit of it...

    https://www.health.qld.gov.au/__data/assets/image/0029/448139/occipital.gif
    The troll who looks at "all the correct things correctly" doesn't even understand the difference between bones and lobes. I can ask again if you'd like. Which part of the occipital BONE is on the side of the head? You can use this to help you...

    Why do you pretend the defect was limited to the occipital bone?
    [Raises hand] I know, I know! Because they are dishonest and have no interest in the truth so they try to isolate information so they can look at it incorrectly.
    Is this what you "believe" or what you "know"?

    Those things are opposable, allegedly.

    This is how dishonest people try to change the argument. I didn`t say they were "opposable", I pointed out they mean different things. Did you look them up and educate yourself?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Bud@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Thu Aug 31 16:45:47 2023
    On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 7:27:16 PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 31 Aug 2023 16:23:57 -0700 (PDT), David Drummond <borisba...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 6:41:10?PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
    On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 5:03:46?PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 4:46:42?PM UTC-4, David Drummond wrote: >>>>>
    Remind us which part of the occipital bone is on the side of the head.
    Quite a bit of it...

    https://www.health.qld.gov.au/__data/assets/image/0029/448139/occipital.gif
    The troll who looks at "all the correct things correctly" doesn't even understand the difference between bones and lobes. I can ask again if you'd like. Which part of the occipital BONE is on the side of the head? You can use this to help you...

    Why do you pretend the defect was limited to the occipital bone?
    [Raises hand] I know, I know! Because they are dishonest and have no interest in the truth so they try to isolate information so they can look at it incorrectly.

    Is this what you "believe" or what you "know"?

    Those things are opposable, allegedly.
    It's a certainty that he can't cite for his empty claims.

    I guess I`m supposed to educate these idiots from the ground up, teach them what simple words mean while they try to squirm around them.

    And Chickenshit himself proclaims that uncited empty claims are lies.

    So he clearly believes ... lies.

    This is reasoning to a conspiracy hobbyist. They always get to where they are desperate to go.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From David Drummond@21:1/5 to Bud on Thu Aug 31 16:53:39 2023
    On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 7:42:59 PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
    On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 7:23:59 PM UTC-4, David Drummond wrote:
    On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 6:41:10 PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
    On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 5:03:46 PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 4:46:42 PM UTC-4, David Drummond wrote:

    Remind us which part of the occipital bone is on the side of the head.
    Quite a bit of it...

    https://www.health.qld.gov.au/__data/assets/image/0029/448139/occipital.gif
    The troll who looks at "all the correct things correctly" doesn't even understand the difference between bones and lobes. I can ask again if you'd like. Which part of the occipital BONE is on the side of the head? You can use this to help you...


    Why do you pretend the defect was limited to the occipital bone?
    [Raises hand] I know, I know! Because they are dishonest and have no interest in the truth so they try to isolate information so they can look at it incorrectly.
    Is this what you "believe" or what you "know"?

    Those things are opposable, allegedly.
    This is how dishonest people try to change the argument.

    You didn't make an argument. You flung a big ad hominem turd at the thread and then jumped around gibbering like a flea-misted primate. You offer nothing but a vague introductory workout for any debate skills I might be sharpening. You think the
    occipital bone is on the side of the head, and then dare accuse others of dishonesty and no interest in the truth. You're so pathetic it barely warrants the effort to type out how pathetic you are.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Bud@21:1/5 to David Drummond on Thu Aug 31 16:48:15 2023
    On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 7:36:41 PM UTC-4, David Drummond wrote:
    On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 7:27:16 PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 31 Aug 2023 16:23:57 -0700 (PDT), David Drummond <borisba...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 6:41:10?PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
    On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 5:03:46?PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote: >>> On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 4:46:42?PM UTC-4, David Drummond wrote:

    Remind us which part of the occipital bone is on the side of the head.
    Quite a bit of it...

    https://www.health.qld.gov.au/__data/assets/image/0029/448139/occipital.gif
    The troll who looks at "all the correct things correctly" doesn't even understand the difference between bones and lobes. I can ask again if you'd like. Which part of the occipital BONE is on the side of the head? You can use this to help you...

    Why do you pretend the defect was limited to the occipital bone?
    [Raises hand] I know, I know! Because they are dishonest and have no interest in the truth so they try to isolate information so they can look at it incorrectly.

    Is this what you "believe" or what you "know"?

    Those things are opposable, allegedly.
    It's a certainty that he can't cite for his empty claims.

    And Chickenshit himself proclaims that uncited empty claims are lies.

    So he clearly believes ... lies.
    They're imbeciles en masse as a general rule, but Bud has been having an exceptionally bad day, making even less sense than usual.

    You aren`t going top eat the carrots even if I make the airplane sound, child.

    He sounds like that character in One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest that had the lobotomy and drooled a lot. Such things happen when you're fed a diet of 100% pure Deep State entrails day and night.

    But you so clever. Or delusional and driven by bias.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Steven Galbraith@21:1/5 to Bud on Thu Aug 31 17:15:41 2023
    On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 7:48:17 PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
    On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 7:36:41 PM UTC-4, David Drummond wrote:
    On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 7:27:16 PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 31 Aug 2023 16:23:57 -0700 (PDT), David Drummond <borisba...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 6:41:10?PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
    On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 5:03:46?PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote: >>> On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 4:46:42?PM UTC-4, David Drummond wrote:

    Remind us which part of the occipital bone is on the side of the head.
    Quite a bit of it...

    https://www.health.qld.gov.au/__data/assets/image/0029/448139/occipital.gif
    The troll who looks at "all the correct things correctly" doesn't even understand the difference between bones and lobes. I can ask again if you'd like. Which part of the occipital BONE is on the side of the head? You can use this to help you..
    .

    Why do you pretend the defect was limited to the occipital bone?
    [Raises hand] I know, I know! Because they are dishonest and have no interest in the truth so they try to isolate information so they can look at it incorrectly.

    Is this what you "believe" or what you "know"?

    Those things are opposable, allegedly.
    It's a certainty that he can't cite for his empty claims.

    And Chickenshit himself proclaims that uncited empty claims are lies.

    So he clearly believes ... lies.
    They're imbeciles en masse as a general rule, but Bud has been having an exceptionally bad day, making even less sense than usual.
    You aren`t going top eat the carrots even if I make the airplane sound, child.
    He sounds like that character in One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest that had the lobotomy and drooled a lot. Such things happen when you're fed a diet of 100% pure Deep State entrails day and night.
    But you so clever. Or delusional and driven by bias.
    He said John was a "fed." And he claims the media's covered this all up, to wit, the murder of JFK and the corrupt followup investigations. Because the "Deep State" told them to. Right, two or three generations of Americans over half a century from all
    backgrounds have covered up the murder of JFK on orders of the "Deep State". This is the *same* media that exposed the abuses by the CIA and FBI et cetera. The ones they cite as evidence of the nefarious powers they have. In conspiracy world the "Deep
    State" can control the media when it comes to their murder of JFK but it can't control the media when it comes to revealing their other crimes/abuses. You cannot reason with this worldview.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Bud@21:1/5 to Steven Galbraith on Thu Aug 31 17:41:58 2023
    On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 8:15:43 PM UTC-4, Steven Galbraith wrote:
    On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 7:48:17 PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
    On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 7:36:41 PM UTC-4, David Drummond wrote:
    On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 7:27:16 PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 31 Aug 2023 16:23:57 -0700 (PDT), David Drummond <borisba...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 6:41:10?PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
    On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 5:03:46?PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 4:46:42?PM UTC-4, David Drummond wrote:

    Remind us which part of the occipital bone is on the side of the head.
    Quite a bit of it...

    https://www.health.qld.gov.au/__data/assets/image/0029/448139/occipital.gif
    The troll who looks at "all the correct things correctly" doesn't even understand the difference between bones and lobes. I can ask again if you'd like. Which part of the occipital BONE is on the side of the head? You can use this to help
    you...

    Why do you pretend the defect was limited to the occipital bone? >> [Raises hand] I know, I know! Because they are dishonest and have no interest in the truth so they try to isolate information so they can look at it incorrectly.

    Is this what you "believe" or what you "know"?

    Those things are opposable, allegedly.
    It's a certainty that he can't cite for his empty claims.

    And Chickenshit himself proclaims that uncited empty claims are lies.

    So he clearly believes ... lies.
    They're imbeciles en masse as a general rule, but Bud has been having an exceptionally bad day, making even less sense than usual.
    You aren`t going top eat the carrots even if I make the airplane sound, child.
    He sounds like that character in One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest that had the lobotomy and drooled a lot. Such things happen when you're fed a diet of 100% pure Deep State entrails day and night.
    But you so clever. Or delusional and driven by bias.
    He said John was a "fed." And he claims the media's covered this all up, to wit, the murder of JFK and the corrupt followup investigations. Because the "Deep State" told them to.

    That`s his MO, he throws a lot of shit out hoping some will stick. He has a whole bag full and just keeps pulling it out and throwing. You respond to one, he just reaches in the bag and throws another one.

    Right, two or three generations of Americans over half a century from all backgrounds have covered up the murder of JFK on orders of the "Deep State". This is the *same* media that exposed the abuses by the CIA and FBI et cetera. The ones they cite as
    evidence of the nefarious powers they have. In conspiracy world the "Deep State" can control the media when it comes to their murder of JFK but it can't control the media when it comes to revealing their other crimes/abuses. You cannot reason with this
    worldview.

    What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From David Drummond@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 31 17:56:06 2023

    You want to argue a specific topic, pick one. The SBT?

    The thing Arlen Spectre [sic] invented from whole cloth and just decided was true because reasons?


    The autopsy report?

    Where is the absence of scalp and bone?


    Marina`s reliability?

    What about it? When she says something you like she's some kind of expert on LHO. When she contradicts herself in the next breath you toss her in the ditch. It's amazing the kind of flip-flopping idiocy you are forced to ally yourself with just for your
    pitiful version of "the truth" to remain relevant. Marina's claims of Oswald's innocence would be a gold mine to critics, but we don't need to defer to them (except ironically) because we don't have to hitch our wagon to a proven liar. We can discard ANY
    of her claims as illegitimate, because we have plenty of real evidence to choose from. Whereas you have to believe every contradictory point made by every known liar and intelligence operative who ever lived. Like, you actually HAVE to, as in it's a **
    requirement**.

    So we can talk about "unimpeachable personnel" if you want, but you don't actually have any you can trust. Which makes you and your LN urban myth so laughable as to defy belief.




    To make it fair I`ll even get a lobatomy.

    Go ahead, you might learn how to spell "lobotomy."

    You think the occipital bone is on the side of the head,
    It is seen in the side view you yourself produced.

    Bud thinks a dog's tail isn't at the back because he can see it from the side.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From David Drummond@21:1/5 to I bet you're a Trump supporter who on Thu Aug 31 17:28:02 2023

    He said John was a "fed."

    John incites violence against protected classes. You can deny federal agents infiltrate subversive online conversations (while at the same time acknowledging there was an undercover federal presence at the Capitol on Jan 6, as well as in the plot to
    kidnap Gretchen Whitmer). These are FACTS, but you can trust that retard Corbett if you want, I could care less.


    And he claims the media's covered this all up, to wit, the murder of JFK and the corrupt followup investigations.

    I didn't claim the existence of Operation Mockingbird. Again, these are FACTS...ones that terrify you, and should.


    Because the "Deep State" told them to.

    I bet you're a Trump supporter who cheers when he says "drain the swamp," which is a synonym for "deep state." I'll give you a minute to catch up.


    Right, two or three generations of Americans over half a century from all backgrounds have covered up the murder of JFK on orders of the "Deep State".

    They aren't Americans, they are institutions. You probably think everyone in the news is "in" on the plot. No, they just hire fucking morons like you, who don't question anything and who have the same political leanings.


    This is the *same* media that exposed the abuses by the CIA and FBI et cetera.

    This happened when?


    The ones they cite as evidence of the nefarious powers they have. In conspiracy world the "Deep State" can control the media when it comes to their murder of JFK

    Revisiting this clip of Tucker Carlson addressing an issue that, according to Steven, just started happening three days ago, and was so very obviously not a problem in 1963:

    https://twitter.com/TheChiefNerd/status/1696859245055025656

    In which Tucker Carlson calls anchors Intel Agency mouthpieces, among things.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Bud@21:1/5 to David Drummond on Thu Aug 31 18:13:23 2023
    On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 8:56:08 PM UTC-4, David Drummond wrote:

    You want to argue a specific topic, pick one. The SBT?
    The thing Arlen Spectre [sic] invented from whole cloth and just decided was true because reasons?

    Do you know what "whole cloth" means? If you did you would know why it doesn`t apply.

    Is this your "specific" debating, throwing out one liners?

    The autopsy report?

    Where is the absence of scalp and bone?

    Where the autopsy places it.

    Marina`s reliability?

    What about it?

    I thought it was evident that I was offering it as a debating point.

    When she says something you like she's some kind of expert on LHO.

    Who knew him better than her?

    When she contradicts herself in the next breath you toss her in the ditch.

    Like?

    You really need to learn how to make specific, fully formed arguments. Just trying to help you sharpen those debating skills.

    It's amazing the kind of flip-flopping idiocy you are forced to ally yourself with just for your pitiful version of "the truth" to remain relevant. Marina's claims of Oswald's innocence would be a gold mine to critics, but we don't need to defer to them
    (except ironically) because we don't have to hitch our wagon to a proven liar. We can discard ANY of her claims as illegitimate, because we have plenty of real evidence to choose from. Whereas you have to believe every contradictory point made by every
    known liar and intelligence operative who ever lived. Like, you actually HAVE to, as in it's a **requirement**.

    You think this noise is debate?

    So we can talk about "unimpeachable personnel" if you want, but you don't actually have any you can trust. Which makes you and your LN urban myth so laughable as to defy belief.

    To make it fair I`ll even get a lobatomy.
    Go ahead, you might learn how to spell "lobotomy."

    I try to include at least one mispelling in every post.

    And yes, that was purposeful.

    You think the occipital bone is on the side of the head,
    It is seen in the side view you yourself produced.
    Bud thinks a dog's tail isn't at the back because he can see it from the side.

    I think because a dog`s tail in in the back you can`t see it from the side.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Bud@21:1/5 to David Drummond on Thu Aug 31 17:36:50 2023
    On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 7:53:41 PM UTC-4, David Drummond wrote:
    On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 7:42:59 PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
    On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 7:23:59 PM UTC-4, David Drummond wrote:
    On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 6:41:10 PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
    On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 5:03:46 PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 4:46:42 PM UTC-4, David Drummond wrote:

    Remind us which part of the occipital bone is on the side of the head.
    Quite a bit of it...

    https://www.health.qld.gov.au/__data/assets/image/0029/448139/occipital.gif
    The troll who looks at "all the correct things correctly" doesn't even understand the difference between bones and lobes. I can ask again if you'd like. Which part of the occipital BONE is on the side of the head? You can use this to help you.
    ..

    Why do you pretend the defect was limited to the occipital bone?
    [Raises hand] I know, I know! Because they are dishonest and have no interest in the truth so they try to isolate information so they can look at it incorrectly.
    Is this what you "believe" or what you "know"?

    Those things are opposable, allegedly.
    This is how dishonest people try to change the argument.
    You didn't make an argument.

    I made points. You sidestepped them.

    You flung a big ad hominem turd at the thread and then jumped around gibbering like a flea-misted primate. You offer nothing but a vague introductory workout for any debate skills I might be sharpening.

    <snicker> This is you honing your debating skills? I feel I`m sparring with a child here.

    And you want to get specific? When have you ever made a specific, fully formed argument? You vaguely allude to some things and run off.

    You want to argue a specific topic, pick one. The SBT? The autopsy report? Marina`s reliability?

    To make it fair I`ll even get a lobatomy.

    You think the occipital bone is on the side of the head,

    It is seen in the side view you yourself produced.

    and then dare accuse others of dishonesty and no interest in the truth. You're so pathetic it barely warrants the effort to type out how pathetic you are.

    You replied to sputter this?

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to stevemgalbraith@yahoo.com on Fri Sep 1 10:00:28 2023
    On Thu, 31 Aug 2023 17:15:41 -0700 (PDT), Steven Galbraith <stevemgalbraith@yahoo.com> wrote:


    He said John was a "fed."

    Did he? Can you quote the full statement? Or cite it?

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to borisbadenov666@gmail.com on Fri Sep 1 10:00:28 2023
    On Thu, 31 Aug 2023 16:53:39 -0700 (PDT), David Drummond <borisbadenov666@gmail.com> wrote:


    You didn't make an argument.

    They almost never do.

    Speculation and logical fallacies are their favored tactics.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to All on Fri Sep 1 10:00:28 2023
    On Thu, 31 Aug 2023 16:48:15 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirslick@fast.net>
    wrote:


    So, according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval" shape that was
    "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

    Chickenshit is TERRIFIED of this simple honest question. He knows
    that Bugliosi was a moron if he truly thought this... yet you can't
    get Chickenshit to publicly acknowledge that Bugliosi said this.

    It's a simple "Yes" or "No" question, and Chickenshit cannot cite
    where he has EVER answered it. (Without immediately denying it.)

    So it's going to keep getting asked until Chickenshit answers it.

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