• Davy Von Penis Flat Lies About The ARRB

    From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to All on Wed Aug 23 13:15:29 2023
    The ARRB was not an "investigative" committee. But, for some reason
    that I will never understand, Jeremy Gunn (and ARRB Chairman John
    Tunheim too, I guess) was/were talked into taking testimony from
    various medical witnesses, even though the ONLY thing the ARRB was >responsible for was overseeing the release to the public of the
    various records and documents concerning JFK's assassination. Nothing
    more.

    But thanks to a mega-kook named Douglas P. Horne, who joined the ARRB
    staff a year or two after it was originally created, apparently the
    ARRB's mandate and scope changed significantly. And I can't help but
    ask (and wonder) -- Why?

    *********************************************************
    Authority of the Assassination Records Review Board

    The Senate report of the President John F. Kennedy Assassination
    Records Collection act of 1992 stated that "the underlying principles
    guiding the legislation are independence, public confidence,
    efficiency, and cost effectiveness." In order to achieve these
    objectives, the Act gave the board the specific powers to:

    - direct government offices to provide identification aids and
    organize assassination records;

    - direct government offices to transmit assassination records to the
    National Archives;

    - obtain assassination records that have been identified and organized
    by a government office;

    - direct government offices to investigate the facts, additional
    information, records, or testimony from individuals which the Board
    has reason to believe is required;

    - request the Attorney general to subpoena private persons to compel
    testimony, records and other relevant information;

    - require any government office in writing for the destruction of any
    records relating to the assassination of President Kennedy;

    - receive information from the public regarding the identification and
    public disclosure of assassination records; and

    - hold hearings, administer oaths, and subpoena witnesses and
    documents.
    *********************************************************

    Any part of this you don't understand, Davy Von Penis?

    Would you like to retract your blatant unsupported & uncited lies?

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  • From David Von Pein@21:1/5 to All on Wed Aug 23 21:45:14 2023
    "Congress did not, however, direct the Review Board to draw conclusions about the assassination, but to release assassination records so that the public could draw its own conclusions. Thus, this Final Report does not offer conclusions about what the
    assassination records released did or did not prove. Rather, it identifies records that the Board released and describes the
    processes and standards that the Board used to release them." -- ARRB Final Report; Page xxi

    https://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/arrb/report/html/arrb_fin_018.htm

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  • From John Corbett@21:1/5 to David Von Pein on Thu Aug 24 06:48:14 2023
    On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 12:45:16 AM UTC-4, David Von Pein wrote:
    "Congress did not, however, direct the Review Board to draw conclusions about the assassination, but to release assassination records so that the public could draw its own conclusions. Thus, this Final Report does not offer conclusions about what the
    assassination records released did or did not prove. Rather, it identifies records that the Board released and describes the
    processes and standards that the Board used to release them." -- ARRB Final Report; Page xxi

    https://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/arrb/report/html/arrb_fin_018.htm

    Furthermore, Doug Horne has absolutely no medical credentials. He is a military man and was
    brought onboard to oversee the release of the military records. Since the autopsy was conducted
    by the military, those records were under his jurisdiction. His recycling of the David Lifton
    body snatching theory was nothing more than the musings of an incompetent layman. The
    corpse altering theory was dumb when Lifton proposed it and even dumber when Horne added
    his own embellishments.

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  • From Sky Throne 19efppp@21:1/5 to John Corbett on Thu Aug 24 07:31:00 2023
    On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 9:48:16 AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 12:45:16 AM UTC-4, David Von Pein wrote:
    "Congress did not, however, direct the Review Board to draw conclusions about the assassination, but to release assassination records so that the public could draw its own conclusions. Thus, this Final Report does not offer conclusions about what the
    assassination records released did or did not prove. Rather, it identifies records that the Board released and describes the
    processes and standards that the Board used to release them." -- ARRB Final Report; Page xxi

    https://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/arrb/report/html/arrb_fin_018.htm
    Furthermore, Doug Horne has absolutely no medical credentials. He is a military man and was
    brought onboard to oversee the release of the military records. Since the autopsy was conducted
    by the military, those records were under his jurisdiction. His recycling of the David Lifton
    body snatching theory was nothing more than the musings of an incompetent layman. The
    corpse altering theory was dumb when Lifton proposed it and even dumber when Horne added
    his own embellishments.

    George John Corbett has no credentials at all. He's the dumbest sack of shit around, except for "Bud." And he thinks Gilligan's Island is what makes America great. And he will vote for Trump again.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to davevonpein@aol.com on Thu Aug 24 07:50:30 2023
    On Wed, 23 Aug 2023 21:45:14 -0700 (PDT), David Von Pein
    <davevonpein@aol.com> wrote:

    "Congress did not, however, direct the Review Board to draw conclusions about the assassination, but to release assassination records so that the public could draw its own conclusions. Thus, this Final Report does not offer conclusions about what the
    assassination records released did or did not prove. Rather, it identifies records that the Board released and describes the
    processes and standards that the Board used to release them." -- ARRB Final Report; Page xxi

    https://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/arrb/report/html/arrb_fin_018.htm


    Sadly for his honesty (none) - Von Penis simply deleted what he was
    responding to so that no-one could see the issue, and understand that
    his response HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT.

    Here it is again:

    The ARRB was not an "investigative" committee. But, for some reason
    that I will never understand, Jeremy Gunn (and ARRB Chairman John
    Tunheim too, I guess) was/were talked into taking testimony from
    various medical witnesses, even though the ONLY thing the ARRB was >responsible for was overseeing the release to the public of the
    various records and documents concerning JFK's assassination. Nothing
    more.

    But thanks to a mega-kook named Douglas P. Horne, who joined the ARRB
    staff a year or two after it was originally created, apparently the
    ARRB's mandate and scope changed significantly. And I can't help but
    ask (and wonder) -- Why?

    *********************************************************
    Authority of the Assassination Records Review Board

    The Senate report of the President John F. Kennedy Assassination
    Records Collection act of 1992 stated that "the underlying principles
    guiding the legislation are independence, public confidence,
    efficiency, and cost effectiveness." In order to achieve these
    objectives, the Act gave the board the specific powers to:

    - direct government offices to provide identification aids and
    organize assassination records;

    - direct government offices to transmit assassination records to the
    National Archives;

    - obtain assassination records that have been identified and organized
    by a government office;

    - direct government offices to investigate the facts, additional
    information, records, or testimony from individuals which the Board
    has reason to believe is required;

    - request the Attorney general to subpoena private persons to compel
    testimony, records and other relevant information;

    - require any government office in writing for the destruction of any
    records relating to the assassination of President Kennedy;

    - receive information from the public regarding the identification and
    public disclosure of assassination records; and

    - hold hearings, administer oaths, and subpoena witnesses and
    documents.
    *********************************************************

    Any part of this you don't understand, Davy Von Penis?

    Would you like to retract your blatant unsupported & uncited lies?

    You asserted that there was something strange about their taking of
    testimony. You're a liar.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to geowright1963@gmail.com on Thu Aug 24 07:51:34 2023
    On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 06:48:14 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett <geowright1963@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 12:45:16?AM UTC-4, David Von Pein wrote:
    "Congress did not, however, direct the Review Board to draw conclusions about the assassination, but to release assassination records so that the public could draw its own conclusions. Thus, this Final Report does not offer conclusions about what the
    assassination records released did or did not prove. Rather, it identifies records that the Board released and describes the
    processes and standards that the Board used to release them." -- ARRB Final Report; Page xxi

    https://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/arrb/report/html/arrb_fin_018.htm

    Furthermore...

    Logical fallacy deleted.

    Von Penis made the claim that there was something wrong with the ARRB
    taking testimony. Corbutt simply ignored that lie.

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  • From David Von Pein@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Thu Aug 24 17:35:32 2023
    On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 10:50:34 AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    You asserted that there was something strange about their taking of testimony. You're a liar.

    The "taking of testimony" of the various medical witnesses was most certainly not needed at all in order for the ARRB to complete its mission/mandate of releasing all of the various previously unreleased records and documents to the American public.

    Also see the excerpt below from Vincent Bugliosi's book "Reclaiming History", in which Vince talks about how "certain overzealous members of the ARRB staff took it upon themselves to go beyond the ARRB's limited mandate to release assassination-related
    documents, and decided to investigate what they perceived to be certain acts of conspiracy in the assassination".

    https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj-Oo2Qj3KldOvp86OSmrW7xGKahHA1z9VaE4bryfpXhXlJQw99SJKJMz4jdGTWeOj_VUlHdenHrhXpzDdX0JwibVhiA8KhRopVXZsxJUa8rz1UZHdqQKqImehMqg-3AuPRvkgWbL4Cb3pA186VJdwSexsSJtXxNL12BR_V-vNpig5chemWsTrayRLV0P0/s2000/
    Reclaiming%20History%20Book%20Excerpt%20--%20The%20ARRB%27s%20Mandate.png

    Also See:
    http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2011/04/index.html#Doug-Horne

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  • From Sky Throne 19efppp@21:1/5 to David Von Pein on Thu Aug 24 19:30:40 2023
    On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 8:35:34 PM UTC-4, David Von Pein wrote:
    On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 10:50:34 AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    You asserted that there was something strange about their taking of testimony. You're a liar.
    The "taking of testimony" of the various medical witnesses was most certainly not needed at all in order for the ARRB to complete its mission/mandate of releasing all of the various previously unreleased records and documents to the American public.

    Also see the excerpt below from Vincent Bugliosi's book "Reclaiming History", in which Vince talks about how "certain overzealous members of the ARRB staff took it upon themselves to go beyond the ARRB's limited mandate to release assassination-related
    documents, and decided to investigate what they perceived to be certain acts of conspiracy in the assassination".

    https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj-Oo2Qj3KldOvp86OSmrW7xGKahHA1z9VaE4bryfpXhXlJQw99SJKJMz4jdGTWeOj_VUlHdenHrhXpzDdX0JwibVhiA8KhRopVXZsxJUa8rz1UZHdqQKqImehMqg-3AuPRvkgWbL4Cb3pA186VJdwSexsSJtXxNL12BR_V-vNpig5chemWsTrayRLV0P0/
    s2000/Reclaiming%20History%20Book%20Excerpt%20--%20The%20ARRB%27s%20Mandate.png

    Also See:
    http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2011/04/index.html#Doug-Horne

    Such a terrible sin, according to DVP and "Vince" to investigate stuff you're not authorized to investigate. It's all about authority.

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  • From David Von Pein@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 24 22:05:55 2023
    All about Doug Horne's insane "2 Brains" theory (14-page "Reclaiming History" excerpt)....

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1xsRGfCr6Wtb3l77lUl_BGN3HRL-izfgy/view

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  • From Gil Jesus@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 25 02:51:11 2023
    On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 10:31:03 AM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    George John Corbett has no credentials at all. He's the dumbest sack of shit around, except for "Bud." And he thinks Gilligan's Island is what makes America great.

    These assholes have been marooned on a desert island for 60 years and they'll never get off it.
    That's because the only boat off the island is a boat named EVIDENCE and they either can't or won't accept it.

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  • From John Corbett@21:1/5 to Gil Jesus on Fri Aug 25 07:12:28 2023
    On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 5:51:12 AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 10:31:03 AM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    George John Corbett has no credentials at all. He's the dumbest sack of shit around, except for "Bud." And he thinks Gilligan's Island is what makes America great.
    These assholes have been marooned on a desert island for 60 years and they'll never get off it.
    That's because the only boat off the island is a boat named EVIDENCE and they either can't or won't accept it.

    We got off that island 60 years ago. It's the CTs who are still wandering aimlessly around trying
    to find the elusive snipe. They have accomplished absolutely nothing in that time. They
    have produced no evidence that anybody other than Oswald took part in either murder. Just a
    lot of speculation and inuendo with nothing to back it up. Gil's most recent four faces of Oswald
    is just the latest futile attempt to make something out of nothing.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to davevonpein@aol.com on Fri Aug 25 07:24:19 2023
    On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 17:35:32 -0700 (PDT), David Von Pein
    <davevonpein@aol.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 10:50:34?AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    You asserted that there was something strange about their taking of testimony. You're a liar.

    The "taking of testimony" of the various medical witnesses was most certainly not needed...


    IT WAS MANDATED BY THE LAW FORMING THE ARRB.

    You can lie all want - but you can't evade the truth.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to geowright1963@gmail.com on Fri Aug 25 07:24:43 2023
    On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 07:12:28 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett <geowright1963@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 5:51:12?AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 10:31:03?AM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote: >>> George John Corbett has no credentials at all. He's the dumbest sack of shit around, except for "Bud." And he thinks Gilligan's Island is what makes America great.
    These assholes have been marooned on a desert island for 60 years and they'll never get off it.
    That's because the only boat off the island is a boat named EVIDENCE and they either can't or won't accept it.

    We got off that island 60 years ago.

    Nah... The island was created by the WCR. You never found your way
    off.

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