Speculation.--Ammunition for the rifle found on the sixth floor of the
Texas School Book Depository had not been manufactured since the end
of World War II. The ammunition used by Oswald must, therefore, have
been at least 20 years old, making it extremely unreliable.
Commission finding.--The ammunition used in the rifle was American ammunition recently made by the Western Cartridge Co., which
manufactures such ammunition currently. In tests with the same kind of ammunition, experts fired Oswald's Mannlicher-Carcano rifle more than
100 times without any misfires. (WCR 646)
The "Speculation" is merely a statement of fact - the WC couldn't
document it's claim that the ammunition was recently made, or was
still currently made. Their own documentation referred to a batch of
ammo made during WWII. (See CE 2694 pg. 12) The WCR simply lied.
It's now incumbent on any believer to PRODUCE A CITATION TO CURRENTLY
(as of 1964) PRODUCED WESTERN CARTRIDGE AMMO in the relevant caliber.
No one ever has... no one ever will.
The Warren Commission lied.
Speculation.--Ammunition for the rifle found on the sixth floor of the
Texas School Book Depository had not been manufactured since the end
of World War II. The ammunition used by Oswald must, therefore, have
been at least 20 years old, making it extremely unreliable.
Commission finding.--The ammunition used in the rifle was American ammunition recently made by the Western Cartridge Co., which
manufactures such ammunition currently. In tests with the same kind of ammunition, experts fired Oswald's Mannlicher-Carcano rifle more than
100 times without any misfires. (WCR 646)
The "Speculation" is merely a statement of fact - the WC couldn't
document it's claim that the ammunition was recently made,
or was
still currently made. Their own documentation referred to a batch of
ammo made during WWII. (See CE 2694 pg. 12) The WCR simply lied.
It's now incumbent on any believer to PRODUCE A CITATION TO CURRENTLY
(as of 1964) PRODUCED WESTERN CARTRIDGE AMMO in the relevant caliber.
No one ever has... no one ever will.
The Warren Commission lied.
It's interesting that Yellow Panties and Gilly think the shooter(s) were using old and unreliable ammo. Very interesting indeed. Perhaps the assassination was a low-budget operation after all.
On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 12:00:49 PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:rounds each were manufactured in 1954."
Speculation.--Ammunition for the rifle found on the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository had not been manufactured since the end
of World War II. The ammunition used by Oswald must, therefore, have
been at least 20 years old, making it extremely unreliable.
Commission finding.--The ammunition used in the rifle was American ammunition recently made by the Western Cartridge Co., which
manufactures such ammunition currently. In tests with the same kind of ammunition, experts fired Oswald's Mannlicher-Carcano rifle more than
100 times without any misfires. (WCR 646)
The "Speculation" is merely a statement of fact - the WC couldn't"The white 20-round cardboard 6,5mm Carcano ammunition boxes were mostly sold in the US west and Midwest gunshops. They had been made by the WESTERN CARTRIDGE Co., division of Olin industries Inc., at East Alton, Illinois and four lots of one million
document it's claim that the ammunition was recently made,
https://cartridgecollector.net/cartridge/65-x-52-mannlicher-carcano/
or was
still currently made. Their own documentation referred to a batch of
ammo made during WWII. (See CE 2694 pg. 12) The WCR simply lied.
It's now incumbent on any believer to PRODUCE A CITATION TO CURRENTLY"currently made" had nothing to do with the speculation they were debunking.
(as of 1964) PRODUCED WESTERN CARTRIDGE AMMO in the relevant caliber.
No one ever has... no one ever will.
The Warren Commission lied.
"The white 20-round cardboard 6,5mm Carcano ammunition boxes were mostly sold in the US west and Midwest gunshops. They had been made by the WESTERN CARTRIDGE Co., division of Olin industries Inc., at
East Alton, Illinois and four lots of one million rounds each were manufactured in 1954."
On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 8:00:21 AM UTC-4, Mark Ulrik wrote:
It's interesting that Yellow Panties and Gilly think the shooter(s) were using old and unreliable ammo. Very interesting indeed. Perhaps the assassination was a low-budget operation after all.I never described the ammo as old an unreliable.
I only said that there were no regular production runs after 1944.
I only said that the 1954 run was a one-off for your pals at the CIA.
PROVE ME WRONG
Once again, your reading comprehension is somewhat lacking.
As usual, you haven't refuted one single thing that I posted.
No citations
No documents
No testimony
No exhibits
No witness videos
No photographs
No links
All you post is silly comments, lies and insults.
A person can gain NO KNOWLEDGE from your posts.
On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 7:10:37 AM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
"The white 20-round cardboard 6,5mm Carcano ammunition boxes were mostly sold in the US west and Midwest gunshops. They had been made by the WESTERN CARTRIDGE Co., division of Olin industries Inc., atThat was a special production run for the CIA to provide ammunition for the upcoming overthrow of Arbenz in Guatemala.
East Alton, Illinois and four lots of one million rounds each were manufactured in 1954."
When Arbenz fled in a bloodless coup, the American Government ( allegedly ) sold the ammo to private gun dealers and gun shops.
The Warren Commission lied when it said that the ammunition was "recently made" and that Western Cartridge, "manufactures such ammunition currently".
None of this ammunition was being produced in 1964.
It was nine year old ammunition made in a special one-off production run for the CIA.
NO REGULAR production runs were made after 1944.
Did you get that Bud ?
It was CIA ammunition that killed Kennedy.
torsdag den 24. august 2023 kl. 14.07.29 UTC+2 skrev Gil Jesus:
On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 8:00:21 AM UTC-4, Mark Ulrik wrote:Now that we all seem to agree that the ammo wasn't old and unreliable, where's the beef?
It's interesting that Yellow Panties and Gilly think the shooter(s) were using old and unreliable ammo. Very interesting indeed. Perhaps the assassination was a low-budget operation after all.I never described the ammo as old an unreliable.
I only said that there were no regular production runs after 1944.
I only said that the 1954 run was a one-off for your pals at the CIA.
PROVE ME WRONG
Once again, your reading comprehension is somewhat lacking.
As usual, you haven't refuted one single thing that I posted.
No citations
No documents
No testimony
No exhibits
No witness videos
No photographs
No links
All you post is silly comments, lies and insults.
A person can gain NO KNOWLEDGE from your posts.
On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 7:10:37 AM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
"The white 20-round cardboard 6,5mm Carcano ammunition boxes were mostly sold in the US west and Midwest gunshops. They had been made by the WESTERN CARTRIDGE Co., division of Olin industries Inc., atThat was a special production run for the CIA to provide ammunition for the upcoming overthrow of Arbenz in Guatemala.
East Alton, Illinois and four lots of one million rounds each were manufactured in 1954."
When Arbenz fled in a bloodless coup, the American Government ( allegedly ) sold the ammo to private gun dealers and gun shops.
The Warren Commission lied when it said that the ammunition was "recently made" and that Western Cartridge, "manufactures such ammunition currently".
None of this ammunition was being produced in 1964.
It was nine year old ammunition made in a special one-off production run for the CIA.
NO REGULAR production runs were made after 1944.
Did you get that Bud ?
It was CIA ammunition that killed Kennedy.
It is nice to see you acknowledge that the Carcano was the murder weapon. We are making progress.
It is nice to see you acknowledge that the Carcano was the murder weapon. We are making progress.
What timespan is the criteria for ammunition to be made to qualify as "recently made"?
But that is just reasoning. And just a little more, why would they sell a rifle on the open market if you couldn`t purchase reliable ammunition for it?
On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 12:00:49?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
Speculation.--Ammunition for the rifle found on the sixth floor of the
Texas School Book Depository had not been manufactured since the end
of World War II. The ammunition used by Oswald must, therefore, have
been at least 20 years old, making it extremely unreliable.
Commission finding.--The ammunition used in the rifle was American
ammunition recently made by the Western Cartridge Co., which
manufactures such ammunition currently. In tests with the same kind of
ammunition, experts fired Oswald's Mannlicher-Carcano rifle more than
100 times without any misfires. (WCR 646)
The "Speculation" is merely a statement of fact - the WC couldn't
document it's claim that the ammunition was recently made,
"The white 20-round cardboard 6,5mm Carcano ammunition boxes were
mostly sold in the US west and Midwest gunshops. They had been made by
the WESTERN CARTRIDGE Co., division of Olin industries Inc., at East
Alton, Illinois and four lots of one million rounds each were
manufactured in 1954."
https://cartridgecollector.net/cartridge/65-x-52-mannlicher-carcano/
or was
still currently made. Their own documentation referred to a batch of
ammo made during WWII. (See CE 2694 pg. 12) The WCR simply lied.
It's now incumbent on any believer to PRODUCE A CITATION TO CURRENTLY
(as of 1964) PRODUCED WESTERN CARTRIDGE AMMO in the relevant caliber.
"currently made" had nothing to do with the speculation they were debunking.
No one ever has... no one ever will.
The Warren Commission lied.
Ben is trying...
On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 7:46:47?AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 7:10:37?AM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
"The white 20-round cardboard 6,5mm Carcano ammunition boxes were mostly sold in the US west and Midwest gunshops. They had been made by the WESTERN CARTRIDGE Co., division of Olin industries Inc., atThat was a special production run for the CIA to provide ammunition for the upcoming overthrow of Arbenz in Guatemala.
East Alton, Illinois and four lots of one million rounds each were manufactured in 1954."
When Arbenz fled in a bloodless coup, the American Government ( allegedly ) sold the ammo to private gun dealers and gun shops.
The Warren Commission lied when it said that the ammunition was "recently made" and that Western Cartridge, "manufactures such ammunition currently".
None of this ammunition was being produced in 1964.
It was nine year old ammunition made in a special one-off production run for the CIA.
NO REGULAR production runs were made after 1944.
Did you get that Bud ?
It was CIA ammunition that killed Kennedy.
Once the government...
On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 9:00:28 AM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
What timespan is the criteria for ammunition to be made to qualify as "recently made"?The same timespan to qualify as "manufactures such ammunition currently"
The ammunition was not made after 1954.
Prove it was.
Normal production was ceased in 1944.
Prove it wasn't.
You're playing chickenshit word games again, as usual.
A numbnut like you would probably consider his 10 year old car as "recently made".
But that is just reasoning.
And just a little more, why would they sell a rifle on the open market if you couldn`t purchase reliable ammunition for it?
Some people collect weapons as souvenirs.
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 06:02:08 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
wrote:
Ben is trying...
To stop your molesting of Ulrik's grandmother...
So, according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval" shape that was
"virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?
Chickenshit is TERRIFIED of this simple honest question. He knows
that Bugliosi was a moron if he truly thought this... yet you can't
get Chickenshit to publicly acknowledge that Bugliosi said this.
It's a simple "Yes" or "No" question, and Chickenshit cannot cite
where he has EVER answered it. (Without immediately denying it.)
So it's going to keep getting asked until Chickenshit answers it.
On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 10:32:44?AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 9:00:28?AM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
What timespan is the criteria for ammunition to be made to qualify as "recently made"?The same timespan to qualify as "manufactures such ammunition currently"
Two different concepts.
On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 11:02:45?AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 06:02:08 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
wrote:
Ben is trying...
To stop your molesting of Ulrik's grandmother...
So, according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval" shape that was
"virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?
Chickenshit is TERRIFIED of this simple honest question. He knows
that Bugliosi was a moron if he truly thought this... yet you can't
get Chickenshit to publicly acknowledge that Bugliosi said this.
It's a simple "Yes" or "No" question, and Chickenshit cannot cite
where he has EVER answered it. (Without immediately denying it.)
So it's going to keep getting asked until Chickenshit answers it.
Speculation.--Ammunition for the rifle found on the sixth floor of the
Texas School Book Depository had not been manufactured since the end
of World War II. The ammunition used by Oswald must, therefore, have
been at least 20 years old, making it extremely unreliable.
Commission finding.--The ammunition used in the rifle was American
ammunition recently made by the Western Cartridge Co., which
manufactures such ammunition currently. In tests with the same kind of >ammunition, experts fired Oswald's Mannlicher-Carcano rifle more than
100 times without any misfires. (WCR 646)
The "Speculation" is merely a statement of fact - the WC couldn't
document it's claim that the ammunition was recently made, or was
still currently made. Their own documentation referred to a batch of
ammo made during WWII. (See CE 2694 pg. 12) The WCR simply lied.
It's now incumbent on any believer to PRODUCE A CITATION TO CURRENTLY
(as of 1964) PRODUCED WESTERN CARTRIDGE AMMO in the relevant caliber.
No one ever has... no one ever will.
The Warren Commission lied.
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 04:10:36 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
wrote:
On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 12:00:49?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
Speculation.--Ammunition for the rifle found on the sixth floor of the
Texas School Book Depository had not been manufactured since the end
of World War II. The ammunition used by Oswald must, therefore, have
been at least 20 years old, making it extremely unreliable.
Commission finding.--The ammunition used in the rifle was American
ammunition recently made by the Western Cartridge Co., which
manufactures such ammunition currently. In tests with the same kind of
ammunition, experts fired Oswald's Mannlicher-Carcano rifle more than
100 times without any misfires. (WCR 646)
The "Speculation" is merely a statement of fact - the WC couldn't
document it's claim that the ammunition was recently made,
"The white 20-round cardboard 6,5mm Carcano ammunition boxes were
mostly sold in the US west and Midwest gunshops. They had been made by
the WESTERN CARTRIDGE Co., division of Olin industries Inc., at East Alton, Illinois and four lots of one million rounds each were
manufactured in 1954."
https://cartridgecollector.net/cartridge/65-x-52-mannlicher-carcano/An unsourced claim made by a website doesn't refute a statement made
by the actual company involved.
You lose.
or was
still currently made. Their own documentation referred to a batch of
ammo made during WWII. (See CE 2694 pg. 12) The WCR simply lied.
It's now incumbent on any believer to PRODUCE A CITATION TO CURRENTLY
(as of 1964) PRODUCED WESTERN CARTRIDGE AMMO in the relevant caliber.
"currently made" had nothing to do with the speculation they were debunking.
No one ever has... no one ever will.
The Warren Commission lied.
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 08:15:30 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
wrote:
On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 11:02:45?AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:And yet, Chickenshit continues, and fails to apologize for putting
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 06:02:08 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
wrote:
Ben is trying...
To stop your molesting of Ulrik's grandmother...
words in my mouth that I never said...
So, according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval" shape that was
"virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?
Chickenshit is TERRIFIED of this simple honest question. He knows
that Bugliosi was a moron if he truly thought this... yet you can't
get Chickenshit to publicly acknowledge that Bugliosi said this.
It's a simple "Yes" or "No" question, and Chickenshit cannot cite
where he has EVER answered it. (Without immediately denying it.)
So it's going to keep getting asked until Chickenshit answers it.
On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 11:18:57?AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 08:15:30 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
wrote:
On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 11:02:45?AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 06:02:08 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
wrote:
Ben is trying...
To stop your molesting of Ulrik's grandmother...
And yet, Chickenshit continues, and fails to apologize for putting
words in my mouth that I never said...
So, according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval" shape that was
"virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?
Chickenshit is TERRIFIED of this simple honest question. He knows
that Bugliosi was a moron if he truly thought this... yet you can't
get Chickenshit to publicly acknowledge that Bugliosi said this.
It's a simple "Yes" or "No" question, and Chickenshit cannot cite
where he has EVER answered it. (Without immediately denying it.)
So it's going to keep getting asked until Chickenshit answers it.
On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 9:55:43 AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
It is nice to see you acknowledge that the Carcano was the murder weapon. We are making progress.Where did I say that ?
You nutters love to put words in my mouth.
I never said a word about the rifle.
Cite where I did.
You're dellusional.
We're talking about the ammunition. Try to keep up.
On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 10:39:38?AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 9:55:43?AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
It is nice to see you acknowledge that the Carcano was the murder weapon. We are making progress.Where did I say that ?
Bud said:
On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 10:39:38 AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 9:55:43 AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:Bud said:
It is nice to see you acknowledge that the Carcano was the murder weapon. We are making progress.Where did I say that ?
"The white 20-round cardboard 6,5mm Carcano ammunition boxes were mostly sold in the US
west and Midwest gunshops. They had been made by the WESTERN CARTRIDGE Co., division of
Olin industries Inc., at East Alton, Illinois and four lots of one million rounds each were
manufactured in 1954."
After pointing out that was a special run made for the CIA, you replied:
"Did you get that Bud ?
It was CIA ammunition that killed Kennedy."
You said it was the CIA ammo that killed JFK. The ammo we were discussing was the 6.5mm
ammo made for the Carcano. It follows that it was the Carcano that killed JFK.
You nutters love to put words in my mouth.It's called a logical inference. Having served on several juries, I know judges instruct jurors to
I never said a word about the rifle.
Cite where I did.
make logical inferences from the evidence. Since you said 6.5mm Carcano ammo was used to
kill JFK, the logical inference is a Carcano was used to kill JFK.
You're dellusional.
We're talking about the ammunition. Try to keep up.The 6.5mm x 52 Carcano cartridge was developed specifically for the 1891 Carcano and
successors. There are other 6.5mm rifles but it is dangerous to use ammo in a firearm which
was not designed to accept it. If your theoretical conspirators used a rifle other than the Carcano,
Why the hell wouldn't they select the ammo made specifically for that rifle?
On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 9:55:43 AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
It is nice to see you acknowledge that the Carcano was the murder weapon. We are making progress.Where did I say that ?
You nutters love to put words in my mouth.
I never said a word about the rifle.
Cite where I did.
You're dellusional.
We're talking about the ammunition.
Try to keep up.
ROFLMAO.
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 13:43:54 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
wrote:
So, according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval" shape that was
"virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?
Chickenshit is TERRIFIED of this simple honest question. He knows
that Bugliosi was a moron if he truly thought this... yet you can't
get Chickenshit to publicly acknowledge that Bugliosi said this.
It's a simple "Yes" or "No" question, and Chickenshit cannot cite
where he has EVER answered it. (Without immediately denying it.)
So it's going to keep getting asked until Chickenshit answers it.
It's now incumbent on any believer to PRODUCE A CITATION TO CURRENTLY
(as of 1964) PRODUCED WESTERN CARTRIDGE AMMO in the relevant caliber.
No one ever has... no one ever will.
AND CLEARLY, CORBUTT DIDN'T.
The Warren Commission lied.
Actually you seem to be talking out of both side s of your mouth about the ammunition. You produce a person from Winchester who said they hadn`t made any ammo since 1944, and then you say they made ammunition for the CIA in 1954. Which is it?
On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 4:43:56 PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
Actually you seem to be talking out of both side s of your mouth about the ammunition. You produce a person from Winchester who said they hadn`t made any ammo since 1944, and then you say they made ammunition for the CIA in 1954. Which is it?I already explained to you, dumbass. Apparently, your knowledge of manufacturing, like your knowledge of everything else, is limited.
Regular scheduled production of the ammunition was halted in 1944.
At the request of the CIA,
there were four SPECIAL production runs in 1954 of one million rounds for the Agency.
They bore special lot numbers 6000, 6001, 6002 and 6003.
This ammunition was to be used for an anticipated coup against Jacobo Arbenz in Guatemala.
Arbenz had nationalized land owned by United Fruit, whose board of directors included Allen Dulles, and given that land to the peasants. The CIA used radio broadcasts saying that the American Navy was enroute. Fearing for his life, Arbenz fled and anarmed conflict between his forces and the US never materialized. At least some of that ammunition was sold to commercial dealers, but I can't say for sure that ALL of it was sold.
Can you ?
If you have evidence that ALL of this ammunition was sold and was not used in the Bay of Pigs invasion, the assassination of Patrice Lumumba in 1961 or the assassination of Rafael Trujillo in 1961, please post it.
You like to play word games, so here's one for you:
Explain why the Warren Commission LIED when it claimed in 1964 that WCC, "manufactures ( present tense ) such ammunition currently ( at the present time ) " when the ammunition was at least 10 years old.
Or produce proof that there were production runs in 1964.
Explain why the Warren Commission LIED when it claimed in 1964 that WCC, "manufactures ( present tense ) such ammunition currently ( at the present time ) " when the ammunition was at least 10 years old.
Perhaps they got hold of a Western Cartridge Company catalog and saw the round and thought they were still making it.
Or produce proof that there were production runs in 1964.That would be the wrong thing to look at. The relevant thing is whether it was available to the public.
On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 6:11:31 AM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
Perhaps ? You're speculating again. They saw it in a 20 year old catatlog and thought it was still being manufactured ?Explain why the Warren Commission LIED when it claimed in 1964 that WCC, "manufactures ( present tense ) such ammunition currently ( at the present time ) " when the ammunition was at least 10 years old.Perhaps they got hold of a Western Cartridge Company catalog and saw the round and thought they were still making it.
Is this supposed to be an investgation, or a guessing game ?
No the relevant thing is whether or not the Warren Commission lied when it said it was currently being manufactured.Or produce proof that there were production runs in 1964.That would be the wrong thing to look at. The relevant thing is whether it was available to the public.
Nice try, but you lose again.
Regular scheduled production of the ammunition was halted in 1944.
At the request of the CIA,
there were four SPECIAL production runs in 1954 of one million rounds for the Agency.
They bore special lot numbers 6000, 6001, 6002 and 6003.
This ammunition was to be used for an anticipated coup against Jacobo Arbenz in Guatemala.
Arbenz had nationalized land owned by United Fruit, whose board of directors included Allen Dulles, and given that land to the peasants. The CIA used radio broadcasts saying that the American Navy was enroute. Fearing for his life, Arbenz fled and anarmed conflict between his forces and the US never materialized. At least some of that ammunition was sold to commercial dealers, but I can't say for sure that ALL of it was sold.
Can you ?
If you have evidence that ALL of this ammunition was sold and was not used in the Bay of Pigs invasion, the assassination of Patrice Lumumba in 1961 or the assassination of Rafael Trujillo in 1961, please post it.
On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 7:51:52 AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
OK brainiac, I looked it up.So how is this an issue?
Out of the four million rounds manufactured in 1954, the FBI found that only two million were placed on sale. ( 3 H 400 )
What happened to the other two million rounds ?In case the wanted to assassinate a huge amount of people?
On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 6:41:17 AM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
< stupid comments deleted >
OK brainiac, I looked it up.
Out of the four million rounds manufactured in 1954, the FBI found that only two million were placed on sale. ( 3 H 400 )
What happened to the other two million rounds ?
I already explained to you, dumbass. Apparently, your knowledge of manufacturing, like your knowledge of everything else, is limited.
Regular scheduled production of the ammunition was halted in 1944.
At the request of the CIA,
there were four SPECIAL production runs in 1954 of one million rounds for the Agency.
They bore special lot numbers 6000, 6001, 6002 and 6003.
This ammunition was to be used for an anticipated coup against Jacobo Arbenz in Guatemala.
Arbenz had nationalized land owned by United Fruit, whose board of directors included Allen Dulles, and given that land to the peasants. The CIA used radio broadcasts saying that the American Navy was enroute. Fearing for his life, Arbenz fled and anarmed conflict between his forces and the US never materialized. At least some of that ammunition was sold to commercial dealers, but I can't say for sure that ALL of it was sold.
Can you ?
If you have evidence that ALL of this ammunition was sold and was not used in the Bay of Pigs invasion, the assassination of Patrice Lumumba in 1961 or the assassination of Rafael Trujillo in 1961, please post it.
On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 8:27:11 AM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 7:51:52 AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:Aren't you the guy who said that once the ammo was placed on sale, it was no longer CIA ammo ?
OK brainiac, I looked it up.So how is this an issue?
Out of the four million rounds manufactured in 1954, the FBI found that only two million were placed on sale. ( 3 H 400 )
Well, two million rounds were never placed on sale to private dealers, does that mean it was still in the hands of the CIA ?
The CIA tried 638 times to kill Castro.What happened to the other two million rounds ?In case the wanted to assassinate a huge amount of people?
The OAS fired 147 rounds at DeGaulle's car, only hit it 7 times and never hit the four passengers inside.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGV4TOJbaeU
But Oswald only fired three shots in his first try and killed the President. He had to be the best shot in the world.
Regular scheduled production of the ammunition was halted in 1944.
At the request of the CIA,
there were four SPECIAL production runs in 1954 of one million rounds for the Agency.
They bore special lot numbers 6000, 6001, 6002 and 6003.
This ammunition was to be used for an anticipated coup against Jacobo Arbenz in Guatemala.
Arbenz had nationalized land owned by United Fruit, whose board of directors included Allen Dulles, and given that land to the peasants. The CIA used radio broadcasts saying that the American Navy was enroute. Fearing for his life, Arbenz fled and anarmed conflict between his forces and the US never materialized. At least some of that ammunition was sold to commercial dealers, but I can't say for sure that ALL of it was sold.
Can you ?
If you have evidence that ALL of this ammunition was sold and was not used in the Bay of Pigs invasion, the assassination of Patrice Lumumba in 1961 or the assassination of Rafael Trujillo in 1961, please post it.
Speculation.--Ammunition for the rifle found on the sixth floor of the
Texas School Book Depository had not been manufactured since the end
of World War II. The ammunition used by Oswald must, therefore, have
been at least 20 years old, making it extremely unreliable.
Commission finding.--The ammunition used in the rifle was American
ammunition recently made by the Western Cartridge Co., which
manufactures such ammunition currently. In tests with the same kind of >ammunition, experts fired Oswald's Mannlicher-Carcano rifle more than
100 times without any misfires. (WCR 646)
The "Speculation" is merely a statement of fact - the WC couldn't
document it's claim that the ammunition was recently made, or was
still currently made. Their own documentation referred to a batch of
ammo made during WWII. (See CE 2694 pg. 12) The WCR simply lied.
It's now incumbent on any believer to PRODUCE A CITATION TO CURRENTLY
(as of 1964) PRODUCED WESTERN CARTRIDGE AMMO in the relevant caliber.
No one ever has... no one ever will.
The Warren Commission lied.
On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 2:20:12?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
It's now incumbent on any believer to PRODUCE A CITATION TO CURRENTLY
(as of 1964) PRODUCED WESTERN CARTRIDGE AMMO in the relevant caliber.
No one ever has... no one ever will.
AND CLEARLY, CORBUTT DIDN'T.
The Warren Commission lied.
Yes they did. And the trolls lied about what I said on two different occasions just in this thread alone.
The trolls, like the Commission they worship, are liars.
That's what they do, lie. It's their native tongue.
And when I ask them, "when did i say that ?" they go silent because they know they've been caught in another lie.
SPANKED AGAIN.
Maybe if their parents had spanked them when they lied as kids, we wouldn't have to do it here as adults.
But don't feel sorry for them. They're so far out of touch with reality that they can't be embarrassed.
It's kind of ironic, really.
The ones who come in here hoping to expose the lies of "conspiracy theorists" end up being exposed as liars themselves.
I guess that's what happens when you support a lie, it makes a liar out of you as well.
On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 5:41:09?AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 4:43:56?PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
Actually you seem to be talking out of both side s of your mouth about the ammunition. You produce a person from Winchester who said they hadn`t made any ammo since 1944, and then you say they made ammunition for the CIA in 1954. Which is it?I already explained to you, dumbass. Apparently, your knowledge of manufacturing, like your knowledge of everything else, is limited.
Your empty claims ...
On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 2:20:12 PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
It's now incumbent on any believer to PRODUCE A CITATION TO CURRENTLY
(as of 1964) PRODUCED WESTERN CARTRIDGE AMMO in the relevant caliber.
No one ever has... no one ever will.
AND CLEARLY, CORBUTT DIDN'T.
The Warren Commission lied.Yes they did. And the trolls lied about what I said on two different occasions just in this thread alone.
The trolls, like the Commission they worship, are liars.
That's what they do, lie. It's their native tongue.
And when I ask them, "when did i say that ?" they go silent because they know they've been caught in another lie.
SPANKED AGAIN.
Maybe if their parents had spanked them when they lied as kids, we wouldn't have to do it here as adults.
But don't feel sorry for them. They're so far out of touch with reality that they can't be embarrassed.
It's kind of ironic, really.
The ones who come in here hoping to expose the lies of "conspiracy theorists" end up being exposed as liars themselves.
I guess that's what happens when you support a lie, it makes a liar out of you as well.
On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 6:41:17 AM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
< stupid comments deleted >
OK brainiac, I looked it up.
Out of the four million rounds manufactured in 1954, the FBI found that only two million were placed on sale. ( 3 H 400 )
What happened to the other two million rounds ?
You claim I lied Gil but you never responded directly to my last post in this thread in which I
showed logically that you claimed the 6.5mm X 52 ammo the CIA purchased which had been
manufactured specifically for the Carcano rifle had been used to kill JFK. It seems likely to me
you made that claim without thinking through the ramifications of your claim. If JFK had been
killed by one of the cartridges manufactured for the CIA specifically for use in the Carcano,
that clearly implies the Carcano was the murder weapon.
Oswald only needed three to kill JFK. Had he been a top notch marksman, one would have sufficed.
On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 10:29:47 AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
Oswald only needed three to kill JFK. Had he been a top notch marksman, one would have sufficed.Funny how the FBI fired 27 rounds from that same rifle and could not match Oswald's performance.
27 rounds an never hit what they were aiming at.
Funny how three MASTER riflemen fired 18 rounds from that same rifle and couldn't match his performance.
18 rounds and never hit the head area of the target. https://gil-jesus.com/the-rifle-tests/
That's 45 rounds fired from that rifle and no one could duplicate his performance.
Admit it, this was more than luck. Oswald was the best shot in the world.
On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 10:45:57 AM UTC-5, Gil Jesus wrote:I'd like to know how the Birchers - the group he says killed JFK - obtained this supposed CIA ammunition. I'm sure he'll have lots of "cites".
On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 10:29:47 AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
Oswald only needed three to kill JFK. Had he been a top notch marksman, one would have sufficed.Funny how the FBI fired 27 rounds from that same rifle and could not match Oswald's performance.
27 rounds an never hit what they were aiming at.
Funny how three MASTER riflemen fired 18 rounds from that same rifle and couldn't match his performance.
18 rounds and never hit the head area of the target. https://gil-jesus.com/the-rifle-tests/
That's 45 rounds fired from that rifle and no one could duplicate his performance.
Admit it, this was more than luck. Oswald was the best shot in the world.Your logical fallacy here is called a false equivalence fallacy.
https://effectiviology.com/false-equivalence/
If Oswald's shots were somehow duplicated EXACTLY by tests carried out by the FBI or another group, you'd find that suspicious, too. Heads you win, tails the Oswald Alone side loses.
You're undefeated, in your mind.
https://effectiviology.com/false-equivalence/
Read. Learn. Take a critical thinking class. Study how to stop using logical fallacies in your arguments. Improve.
By the way, have you given up on the idea of discussing your "those Oswald photos look like different Oswalds to me," thread?
On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 10:26:59 AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
You claim I lied Gil but you never responded directly to my last post in this thread in which IWrong as usual.
showed logically that you claimed the 6.5mm X 52 ammo the CIA purchased which had been
manufactured specifically for the Carcano rifle had been used to kill JFK. It seems likely to me
you made that claim without thinking through the ramifications of your claim. If JFK had been
killed by one of the cartridges manufactured for the CIA specifically for use in the Carcano,
that clearly implies the Carcano was the murder weapon.
YOU PEOPLE claim the ammunition killed JFK. I was simply pointing out that if that was true, then the ammo was CIA ammo.
I NEVER said anything about the rifle being the murder weapon. And you're a liar for saying that I did.
If now you're going to claim deductive reasoning as your "evidence" that I said the rifle was the murder weapon, then you're full of shit as well.
Here's some advice, John:
Stick to posting your stupid comments, because your powers of deduction are as kooky as some of the most kooky conspiracy theories I've ever heard.
Yeah, that's right. You're as bad as they are. You take something that someone says, twist it all around and turn it into something they didn't say.
It's called misinformation and because you do it INTENTIONALLY it makes you a liar in my book.
On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 10:29:47 AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
Oswald only needed three to kill JFK. Had he been a top notch marksman, one would have sufficed.Funny how the FBI fired 27 rounds from that same rifle and could not match Oswald's performance.
27 rounds an never hit what they were aiming at.
Funny how three MASTER riflemen fired 18 rounds from that same rifle and couldn't match his performance.
18 rounds and never hit the head area of the target. https://gil-jesus.com/the-rifle-tests/
That's 45 rounds fired from that rifle and no one could duplicate his performance.
Admit it, this was more than luck. Oswald was the best shot in the world.
On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 6:03:34?AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 2:20:12?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
It's now incumbent on any believer to PRODUCE A CITATION TO CURRENTLYYes they did. And the trolls lied about what I said on two different occasions just in this thread alone.
(as of 1964) PRODUCED WESTERN CARTRIDGE AMMO in the relevant caliber.
No one ever has... no one ever will.
AND CLEARLY, CORBUTT DIDN'T.
The Warren Commission lied.
The trolls, like the Commission they worship, are liars.
That's what they do, lie. It's their native tongue.
And when I ask them, "when did i say that ?" they go silent because they know they've been caught in another lie.
SPANKED AGAIN.
Maybe if their parents had spanked them when they lied as kids, we wouldn't have to do it here as adults.
But don't feel sorry for them. They're so far out of touch with reality that they can't be embarrassed.
It's kind of ironic, really.
The ones who come in here hoping to expose the lies of "conspiracy theorists" end up being exposed as liars themselves.
I guess that's what happens when you support a lie, it makes a liar out of you as well.
You claim I lied Gil ...
On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 11:37:50?AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 10:26:59?AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
You claim I lied Gil but you never responded directly to my last post in this thread in which IWrong as usual.
showed logically that you claimed the 6.5mm X 52 ammo the CIA purchased which had been
manufactured specifically for the Carcano rifle had been used to kill JFK. It seems likely to me
you made that claim without thinking through the ramifications of your claim. If JFK had been
killed by one of the cartridges manufactured for the CIA specifically for use in the Carcano,
that clearly implies the Carcano was the murder weapon.
YOU PEOPLE claim the ammunition killed JFK. I was simply pointing out that if that was true, then the ammo was CIA ammo.
There was no "if" in your statement...
On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 7:51:52?AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 6:41:17?AM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
< stupid comments deleted >
OK brainiac, I looked it up.
Out of the four million rounds manufactured in 1954, the FBI found that only two million were placed on sale. ( 3 H 400 )
What happened to the other two million rounds ?
Why does that matter?
I'd like to know how the Birchers - the group he says killed JFK - obtained this supposed CIA ammunition. I'm sure he'll have lots of "cites".
On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 10:45:57?AM UTC-5, Gil Jesus wrote:
On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 10:29:47?AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
Oswald only needed three to kill JFK. Had he been a top notch marksman, one would have sufficed.Funny how the FBI fired 27 rounds from that same rifle and could not match Oswald's performance.
27 rounds an never hit what they were aiming at.
Funny how three MASTER riflemen fired 18 rounds from that same rifle and couldn't match his performance.
18 rounds and never hit the head area of the target.
https://gil-jesus.com/the-rifle-tests/
That's 45 rounds fired from that rifle and no one could duplicate his performance.
Admit it, this was more than luck. Oswald was the best shot in the world.
On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 11:45:57?AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 10:29:47?AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
Oswald only needed three to kill JFK. Had he been a top notch marksman, one would have sufficed.Funny how the FBI fired 27 rounds from that same rifle and could not match Oswald's performance.
27 rounds an never hit what they were aiming at.
What they discovered...
Funny how three MASTER riflemen fired 18 rounds from that same rifle and couldn't match his performance.
18 rounds and never hit the head area of the target.
https://gil-jesus.com/the-rifle-tests/
That's 45 rounds fired from that rifle and no one could duplicate his performance.
Admit it, this was more than luck. Oswald was the best shot in the world.
If ...
On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 7:10:37 AM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
"The white 20-round cardboard 6,5mm Carcano ammunition boxes were mostly sold in the US west and Midwest gunshops. They had been made by the WESTERN CARTRIDGE Co., division of Olin industries Inc., atThat was a special production run for the CIA to provide ammunition for the upcoming overthrow of Arbenz in Guatemala.
East Alton, Illinois and four lots of one million rounds each were manufactured in 1954."
When Arbenz fled in a bloodless coup, the American Government ( allegedly ) sold the ammo to private gun dealers and gun shops.
The Warren Commission lied when it said that the ammunition was "recently made" and that Western Cartridge, "manufactures such ammunition currently".
None of this ammunition was being produced in 1964.
It was nine year old ammunition made in a special one-off production run for the CIA.
NO REGULAR production runs were made after 1944.
Did you get that Bud ?
It was CIA ammunition that killed Kennedy.
On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 10:26:59 AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
You claim I lied Gil but you never responded directly to my last post in this thread in which IWrong as usual.
showed logically that you claimed the 6.5mm X 52 ammo the CIA purchased which had been
manufactured specifically for the Carcano rifle had been used to kill JFK. It seems likely to me
you made that claim without thinking through the ramifications of your claim. If JFK had been
killed by one of the cartridges manufactured for the CIA specifically for use in the Carcano,
that clearly implies the Carcano was the murder weapon.
YOU PEOPLE claim the ammunition killed JFK.
I was simply pointing out that if that was true, then the ammo was CIA ammo.
I NEVER said anything about the rifle being the murder weapon.
And you're a liar for saying that I did.
If now you're going to claim deductive reasoning as your "evidence" that I said the rifle was the murder weapon, then you're full of shit as well.
Here's some advice, John:
Stick to posting your stupid comments, because your powers of deduction are as kooky as some of the most kooky conspiracy theories I've ever heard.
Yeah, that's right. You're as bad as they are. You take something that someone says, twist it all around and turn it into something they didn't say.
It's called misinformation and because you do it INTENTIONALLY it makes you a liar in my book.
On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 10:29:47 AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
Oswald only needed three to kill JFK. Had he been a top notch marksman, one would have sufficed.Funny how the FBI fired 27 rounds from that same rifle and could not match Oswald's performance.
27 rounds an never hit what they were aiming at.
Funny how three MASTER riflemen fired 18 rounds from that same rifle and couldn't match his performance.
18 rounds and never hit the head area of the target. https://gil-jesus.com/the-rifle-tests/
On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 10:26:59 AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
You claim I lied Gil but you never responded directly to my last post in this thread in which IWrong as usual.
showed logically that you claimed the 6.5mm X 52 ammo the CIA purchased which had been
manufactured specifically for the Carcano rifle had been used to kill JFK. It seems likely to me
you made that claim without thinking through the ramifications of your claim. If JFK had been
killed by one of the cartridges manufactured for the CIA specifically for use in the Carcano,
that clearly implies the Carcano was the murder weapon.
YOU PEOPLE claim the ammunition killed JFK. I was simply pointing out that if that was true, then the ammo was CIA ammo.
they were aiming for the center of mass of the target, not the head.
The idea that they or Oswald or anyone else were aiming for the "head area" is purely your own invention.
On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 10:45:57 AM UTC-5, Gil Jesus wrote:
On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 10:29:47 AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:Looks like they hit quite the target quite a bit. 15 times out of 27
Oswald only needed three to kill JFK. Had he been a top notch marksman, one would have sufficed.Funny how the FBI fired 27 rounds from that same rifle and could not match Oswald's performance.
27 rounds an never hit what they were aiming at.
shots, at speed, and with a rifle they were unfamiliar with.
Funny how three MASTER riflemen fired 18 rounds from that same rifle and couldn't match his performance.Who said that they were aiming at the head? CE 582 is the
18 rounds and never hit the head area of the target. https://gil-jesus.com/the-rifle-tests/
first target. It was the closest target, and the one that the the
shooters had the most time to line up. Not coincidentally, it
also features the tightest grouping of the three targets. This
grouping shows where the shooters were actually aiming: they
were aiming for the center of mass of the target, not the head.
The idea that they or Oswald or anyone else were aiming for
the "head area" is purely your own invention.
On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 12:10:07 PM UTC-4, recip...@gmail.com wrote:
they were aiming for the center of mass of the target, not the head.Source ?
The idea that they or Oswald or anyone else were aiming for the "head area" is purely your own invention.What do you think the assassin was aiming for with Kennedy's "center mass" covered up by the back seat ?
Idiot.
On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 12:10:07 PM UTC-4, recip...@gmail.com wrote:
they were aiming for the center of mass of the target, not the head.Source ?
The idea that they or Oswald or anyone else were aiming for the "head area" is purely your own invention.
What do you think the assassin was aiming for with Kennedy's "center mass" covered up by the back seat ?
Idiot.
On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 11:46:32 AM UTC-5, Gil Jesus wrote:
On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 12:10:07 PM UTC-4, recip...@gmail.com wrote:I explained why: "CE 582 is the first target. It was the closest
they were aiming for the center of mass of the target, not the head.Source ?
target, and the one that the the shooters had the most time to
line up. Not coincidentally, it also features the tightest grouping
of the three targets. This grouping shows where the shooters
were actually aiming"
Now, where is *your* source for *your* assertion that they were
aiming for "the head area?" Or are you just trying to avoid
The idea that they or Oswald or anyone else were aiming for the "head area" is purely your own invention.
What do you think the assassin was aiming for with Kennedy's "center mass" covered up by the back seat ?
Idiot.You aim for the center of mass of the available ( i.e. visible) target.
You sound like you've never been around firearms very much.
Spanked again. These liars can't look at things correctly. Of
course, that's what liars do.
On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 10:24:27 AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:runs were made after that.
Spanked again. These liars can't look at things correctly. Of
course, that's what liars do.
This FBI report said that Western Cartridge was selling ammo to the Italian government during WW 2.
https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/WH_Vol26_62-ammo-production.gif
It's corroborated by the letter to Galanor saying that regular production ended in 1944, the same year the US entered the European theater.
https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/ammo-production.jpg
At that point, no more selling arms to the Italians. And there's no evidence that there were any production runs between 1944 and 1954.
Four production runs of one million rounds each were made in 1954 for the Department of Defense ( at the request of the CIA, who were forbidden to buy arms by law and had to get them through the DOD ) and there is no evidence that any other production
There was nothing "recently made" or "manufactures such ammuntition currently" about the ammunition.
Most of it was made during WW II with special production for the CIA in 1954.
Two million rounds of that CIA ammo was sold to private gun dealers.
What happened to the CIA's other two million rounds ?
They claimed the bullets that killed Kennedy came from that production run of 1954.
The Warren Commission failed to identify the source of the ammuntion because the odds were 50-50 those bullets came from the CIA.
On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 10:24:27 AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
Spanked again. These liars can't look at things correctly. Of
course, that's what liars do.
This FBI report said that Western Cartridge was selling ammo to the Italian government during WW 2.
https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/WH_Vol26_62-ammo-production.gif
It's corroborated by the letter to Galanor saying that regular production ended in 1944, the same year the US entered the European theater.
https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/ammo-production.jpg
At that point, no more selling arms to the Italians. And there's no evidence that there were any production runs between 1944 and 1954.
Four production runs of one million rounds each were made in 1954 for the Department of Defense ( at the request of the CIA, who were forbidden to buy arms by law and had to get them through the DOD )
and there is no evidence that any other production runs were made after that.
There was nothing "recently made" or "manufactures such ammuntition currently" about the ammunition.
Most of it was made during WW II with special production for the CIA in 1954.
Two million rounds of that CIA ammo was sold to private gun dealers.
What happened to the CIA's other two million rounds ?
They claimed the bullets that killed Kennedy came from that production run of 1954.
The Warren Commission failed to identify the source of the ammuntion because the odds were 50-50 those bullets came from the CIA.
On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 9:29:49 AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:to 99,000) were combat troops."
On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 10:24:27 AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
Spanked again. These liars can't look at things correctly. Of
course, that's what liars do.
This FBI report said that Western Cartridge was selling ammo to the Italian government during WW 2.Maybe they did. The war went on for about two years after Italy surrendered. From the internet...
https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/WH_Vol26_62-ammo-production.gif
"Many Italian soldiers, sailors and airmen did fight the Germans after the Italian armistice. From October 1943 The Italian Co-belligerent Army fielded between 266,000 and 326,000 troops in the Italian Campaign, of whom 50,000, (some sources state up
They would likely be using Carcanos.
It's corroborated by the letter to Galanor saying that regular production ended in 1944, the same year the US entered the European theater.You are lying about what your own source said and you are making a distinction you haven`t shown exists.
The guy from Winchester wrote...
"Any previous production on this cartridge was made against Government contracts which were completed back in 1944."
Nothing about "regular production", he wrote that *all* production was completed in 1944.
But now that I think of it you really need to see the letter Galanor wrote to see what the Winchester guy was responding to.
https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/ammo-production.jpg
At that point, no more selling arms to the Italians. And there's no evidence that there were any production runs between 1944 and 1954.
Four production runs of one million rounds each were made in 1954 for the Department of Defense ( at the request of the CIA, who were forbidden to buy arms by law and had to get them through the DOD )Still haven`t seen that supported.
and there is no evidence that any other production runs were made after that.
There was nothing "recently made" or "manufactures such ammuntition currently" about the ammunition.Not the ammunition Oswald used.
Most of it was made during WW II with special production for the CIA in 1954.
Two million rounds of that CIA ammo was sold to private gun dealers.What does that matter?
What happened to the CIA's other two million rounds ?
They claimed the bullets that killed Kennedy came from that production run of 1954.What a stump! It isn`t 50-50. Like saying you can buy a used truck it might run correctly or not run correctly, so the odds are 50-50.
The Warren Commission failed to identify the source of the ammuntion because the odds were 50-50 those bullets came from the CIA.
On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 2:27:29 PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:to 99,000) were combat troops."
On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 9:29:49 AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 10:24:27 AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
Spanked again. These liars can't look at things correctly. Of
course, that's what liars do.
This FBI report said that Western Cartridge was selling ammo to the Italian government during WW 2.Maybe they did. The war went on for about two years after Italy surrendered. From the internet...
https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/WH_Vol26_62-ammo-production.gif
"Many Italian soldiers, sailors and airmen did fight the Germans after the Italian armistice. From October 1943 The Italian Co-belligerent Army fielded between 266,000 and 326,000 troops in the Italian Campaign, of whom 50,000, (some sources state up
They would likely be using Carcanos.
It's corroborated by the letter to Galanor saying that regular production ended in 1944, the same year the US entered the European theater.You are lying about what your own source said and you are making a distinction you haven`t shown exists.
The guy from Winchester wrote...
"Any previous production on this cartridge was made against Government contracts which were completed back in 1944."
Nothing about "regular production", he wrote that *all* production was completed in 1944.
But now that I think of it you really need to see the letter Galanor wrote to see what the Winchester guy was responding to.
https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/ammo-production.jpg
At that point, no more selling arms to the Italians. And there's no evidence that there were any production runs between 1944 and 1954.
Four production runs of one million rounds each were made in 1954 for the Department of Defense ( at the request of the CIA, who were forbidden to buy arms by law and had to get them through the DOD )Still haven`t seen that supported.
and there is no evidence that any other production runs were made after that.
Celebrate the small victories, Bud.There was nothing "recently made" or "manufactures such ammuntition currently" about the ammunition.Not the ammunition Oswald used.
Most of it was made during WW II with special production for the CIA in 1954.
Two million rounds of that CIA ammo was sold to private gun dealers. What happened to the CIA's other two million rounds ?What does that matter?
They claimed the bullets that killed Kennedy came from that production run of 1954.What a stump! It isn`t 50-50. Like saying you can buy a used truck it might run correctly or not run correctly, so the odds are 50-50.
The Warren Commission failed to identify the source of the ammuntion because the odds were 50-50 those bullets came from the CIA.
Within a few days, we’ve gotten Gil down to 50% from 100% certainty: https://groups.google.com/g/alt.conspiracy.jfk/c/gQF-VMCO_VY/m/xk5qhCr2AAAJ “Did you get that Bud ? It was CIA ammunition that killed Kennedy.”
Only 50% more to go! Of course, as we approach the goal, attaining it gets harder and harder… like a mass approaching the speed of light.
On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 11:37:50?AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 10:26:59?AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
You claim I lied Gil but you never responded directly to my last post in this thread in which IWrong as usual.
showed logically that you claimed the 6.5mm X 52 ammo the CIA purchased which had been
manufactured specifically for the Carcano rifle had been used to kill JFK. It seems likely to me
you made that claim without thinking through the ramifications of your claim. If JFK had been
killed by one of the cartridges manufactured for the CIA specifically for use in the Carcano,
that clearly implies the Carcano was the murder weapon.
YOU PEOPLE claim the ammunition killed JFK.
I was simply pointing out that if that was true, then the ammo was CIA ammo.
I NEVER said anything about the rifle being the murder weapon.
And you're a liar for saying that I did.
If now you're going to claim deductive reasoning as your "evidence" that I said the rifle was the murder weapon, then you're full of shit as well.
Here's some advice, John:
Stick to posting your stupid comments, because your powers of deduction are as kooky as some of the most kooky conspiracy theories I've ever heard.
Yeah, that's right. You're as bad as they are. You take something that someone says, twist it all around and turn it into something they didn't say.
You ...
On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 12:46:32?PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 12:10:07?PM UTC-4, recip...@gmail.com wrote: >>> they were aiming for the center of mass of the target, not the head.
Source ?
The idea that they or Oswald or anyone else were aiming for the "head area" is purely your own invention.What do you think the assassin was aiming for with Kennedy's "center mass" covered up by the back seat ?
Idiot.
Obviously it wasn't completely covered up because the first bullet that struck him did so high
on his back.
On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 10:24:27?AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:runs were made after that.
Spanked again. These liars can't look at things correctly. Of
course, that's what liars do.
This FBI report said that Western Cartridge was selling ammo to the Italian government during WW 2.
https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/WH_Vol26_62-ammo-production.gif
It's corroborated by the letter to Galanor saying that regular production ended in 1944, the same year the US entered the European theater.
https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/ammo-production.jpg
At that point, no more selling arms to the Italians. And there's no evidence that there were any production runs between 1944 and 1954.
Four production runs of one million rounds each were made in 1954 for the Department of Defense ( at the request of the CIA, who were forbidden to buy arms by law and had to get them through the DOD ) and there is no evidence that any other production
There was nothing "recently made" or "manufactures such ammuntition currently" about the ammunition.
Most of it was made during WW II with special production for the CIA in 1954.
Two million rounds of that CIA ammo was sold to private gun dealers.
What happened to the CIA's other two million rounds ?
They claimed the bullets that killed Kennedy came from that production run of 1954.
The Warren Commission failed to identify the source of the ammuntion because the odds were 50-50 those bullets came from the CIA.
On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 6:03:33 AM UTC-4, Hank Sienzant wrote:up to 99,000) were combat troops."
On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 2:27:29 PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 9:29:49 AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 10:24:27 AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
Spanked again. These liars can't look at things correctly. Of course, that's what liars do.
This FBI report said that Western Cartridge was selling ammo to the Italian government during WW 2.Maybe they did. The war went on for about two years after Italy surrendered. From the internet...
https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/WH_Vol26_62-ammo-production.gif
"Many Italian soldiers, sailors and airmen did fight the Germans after the Italian armistice. From October 1943 The Italian Co-belligerent Army fielded between 266,000 and 326,000 troops in the Italian Campaign, of whom 50,000, (some sources state
the movie "Sharknado"...They would likely be using Carcanos.
It's corroborated by the letter to Galanor saying that regular production ended in 1944, the same year the US entered the European theater.You are lying about what your own source said and you are making a distinction you haven`t shown exists.
The guy from Winchester wrote...
"Any previous production on this cartridge was made against Government contracts which were completed back in 1944."
Nothing about "regular production", he wrote that *all* production was completed in 1944.
But now that I think of it you really need to see the letter Galanor wrote to see what the Winchester guy was responding to.
https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/ammo-production.jpg
At that point, no more selling arms to the Italians. And there's no evidence that there were any production runs between 1944 and 1954.
Four production runs of one million rounds each were made in 1954 for the Department of Defense ( at the request of the CIA, who were forbidden to buy arms by law and had to get them through the DOD )Still haven`t seen that supported.
and there is no evidence that any other production runs were made after that.
Celebrate the small victories, Bud.There was nothing "recently made" or "manufactures such ammuntition currently" about the ammunition.Not the ammunition Oswald used.
Most of it was made during WW II with special production for the CIA in 1954.
Two million rounds of that CIA ammo was sold to private gun dealers. What happened to the CIA's other two million rounds ?What does that matter?
They claimed the bullets that killed Kennedy came from that production run of 1954.What a stump! It isn`t 50-50. Like saying you can buy a used truck it might run correctly or not run correctly, so the odds are 50-50.
The Warren Commission failed to identify the source of the ammuntion because the odds were 50-50 those bullets came from the CIA.
Within a few days, we’ve gotten Gil down to 50% from 100% certainty: https://groups.google.com/g/alt.conspiracy.jfk/c/gQF-VMCO_VY/m/xk5qhCr2AAAJ
“Did you get that Bud ? It was CIA ammunition that killed Kennedy.”
Only 50% more to go! Of course, as we approach the goal, attaining it gets harder and harder… like a mass approaching the speed of light.As is often the case Gil`s claim made me think of something humorous I saw elsewhere while traveling the ether. The premise of this site is a comedic take on what a pitch meeting to a movie that has been released might have looked like. This one is to
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYootnc0uew
The part that brought to my mind Gil`s claim is at 5:15 (the whole thing is funny)...
First Guy: "What are the odds that it was the same shark that Nova fell into?"
Second Guy: "50%, either it was or it wasn`t."
First Guy: "Is that how math works?"
WOW! That means I have a 50-50 chance of winning the lottery. Either I will or I won't. I'm only
going to buy one ticket though. Buying more won't improve my odds. It will still be 50-50.
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