• Re: Dorothy Kilgallen not a suicide or overdose.

    From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to lazu...@gmail.com on Tue Aug 22 23:00:02 2023
    On Saturday, December 23, 2017 at 9:00:39 AM UTC-8, lazu...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 1:51:27 PM UTC-8, donoh...@gmail.com wrote:
    She wasn`t just writing an article proving The Warren Report the biggest lie in history. She was writing a book, and had been the only one allowed to interview Ruby. A journalist like herself always kept recordings and notes when they interview.
    Authorities claim she took no notes or any recording. Her publisher gave her an advance when she showed them what she had written so far. Then when asked where the book segments were the publisher denied ever seeing any of it. A cased check with the note
    at the bottome reading, "For advance payment on partial book.". Like all media daring to show anything contrary to The Warren Report they were "gotten to" by forces within our own Gov`t. To this day television networks are forbidden to air anything that
    question Warren Report...

    What about this 1966 tv program?

    (Youtube upload):

    "Firing Line with William F. Buckley Jr.: The Warren Report: Fact or Fiction?"

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  • From John Corbett@21:1/5 to All on Wed Aug 23 04:01:20 2023
    On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 6:16:58 AM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 2:00:04 AM UTC-4, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Saturday, December 23, 2017 at 9:00:39 AM UTC-8, lazu...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 1:51:27 PM UTC-8, donoh...@gmail.com wrote:
    She wasn`t just writing an article proving The Warren Report the biggest lie in history. She was writing a book, and had been the only one allowed to interview Ruby. A journalist like herself always kept recordings and notes when they interview.
    Authorities claim she took no notes or any recording. Her publisher gave her an advance when she showed them what she had written so far. Then when asked where the book segments were the publisher denied ever seeing any of it. A cased check with the note
    at the bottome reading, "For advance payment on partial book.". Like all media daring to show anything contrary to The Warren Report they were "gotten to" by forces within our own Gov`t. To this day television networks are forbidden to air anything that
    question Warren Report...

    What about this 1966 tv program?

    (Youtube upload):

    "Firing Line with William F. Buckley Jr.: The Warren Report: Fact or Fiction?"
    One could argue that "former" CIA man Buckley was simply platforming the most prominent controlled opposition figure, Mark Lane. Or one could argue that the plan had been for Lane to wither away in the heat of Buckley's brilliance, which did not happen
    at all. Lane wiped the floor with Buckley. Lane was a great critic of the investigation, but he was extraordinarily uninterested in what actually did happen, and perhaps he was controlled opposition on that basis. There will always be critics of the
    Official Story, but they are not dangerous unless they say what actually happened. So the Mark Lane paradigm of not saying what happened might have been presented to the critics as a model for their own behavior. "Be great like Mark Lane by not saying
    what really did happen."

    The Warren Commission said what happened. Accept it or reject it but there isn't another choice.

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  • From Sky Throne 19efppp@21:1/5 to gggg gggg on Wed Aug 23 03:16:56 2023
    On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 2:00:04 AM UTC-4, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Saturday, December 23, 2017 at 9:00:39 AM UTC-8, lazu...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 1:51:27 PM UTC-8, donoh...@gmail.com wrote:
    She wasn`t just writing an article proving The Warren Report the biggest lie in history. She was writing a book, and had been the only one allowed to interview Ruby. A journalist like herself always kept recordings and notes when they interview.
    Authorities claim she took no notes or any recording. Her publisher gave her an advance when she showed them what she had written so far. Then when asked where the book segments were the publisher denied ever seeing any of it. A cased check with the note
    at the bottome reading, "For advance payment on partial book.". Like all media daring to show anything contrary to The Warren Report they were "gotten to" by forces within our own Gov`t. To this day television networks are forbidden to air anything that
    question Warren Report...

    What about this 1966 tv program?

    (Youtube upload):

    "Firing Line with William F. Buckley Jr.: The Warren Report: Fact or Fiction?"

    One could argue that "former" CIA man Buckley was simply platforming the most prominent controlled opposition figure, Mark Lane. Or one could argue that the plan had been for Lane to wither away in the heat of Buckley's brilliance, which did not happen
    at all. Lane wiped the floor with Buckley. Lane was a great critic of the investigation, but he was extraordinarily uninterested in what actually did happen, and perhaps he was controlled opposition on that basis. There will always be critics of the
    Official Story, but they are not dangerous unless they say what actually happened. So the Mark Lane paradigm of not saying what happened might have been presented to the critics as a model for their own behavior. "Be great like Mark Lane by not saying
    what really did happen."

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  • From Sky Throne 19efppp@21:1/5 to John Corbett on Wed Aug 23 05:15:49 2023
    On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 7:01:23 AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 6:16:58 AM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 2:00:04 AM UTC-4, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Saturday, December 23, 2017 at 9:00:39 AM UTC-8, lazu...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 1:51:27 PM UTC-8, donoh...@gmail.com wrote:
    She wasn`t just writing an article proving The Warren Report the biggest lie in history. She was writing a book, and had been the only one allowed to interview Ruby. A journalist like herself always kept recordings and notes when they interview.
    Authorities claim she took no notes or any recording. Her publisher gave her an advance when she showed them what she had written so far. Then when asked where the book segments were the publisher denied ever seeing any of it. A cased check with the
    note at the bottome reading, "For advance payment on partial book.". Like all media daring to show anything contrary to The Warren Report they were "gotten to" by forces within our own Gov`t. To this day television networks are forbidden to air anything
    that question Warren Report...

    What about this 1966 tv program?

    (Youtube upload):

    "Firing Line with William F. Buckley Jr.: The Warren Report: Fact or Fiction?"
    One could argue that "former" CIA man Buckley was simply platforming the most prominent controlled opposition figure, Mark Lane. Or one could argue that the plan had been for Lane to wither away in the heat of Buckley's brilliance, which did not
    happen at all. Lane wiped the floor with Buckley. Lane was a great critic of the investigation, but he was extraordinarily uninterested in what actually did happen, and perhaps he was controlled opposition on that basis. There will always be critics of
    the Official Story, but they are not dangerous unless they say what actually happened. So the Mark Lane paradigm of not saying what happened might have been presented to the critics as a model for their own behavior. "Be great like Mark Lane by not
    saying what really did happen."
    The Warren Commission said what happened. Accept it or reject it but there isn't another choice.

    You're very stupid for a spook, George.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to geowright1963@gmail.com on Wed Aug 23 08:59:15 2023
    On Wed, 23 Aug 2023 04:01:20 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett <geowright1963@gmail.com> wrote:

    The Warren Commission said what happened. Accept it or reject it but there isn't another choice.


    How STUPID of you! The other, and quite obivous choice is to accept
    where they followed the evidence, and reject when they didn't.

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  • From David Von Pein@21:1/5 to All on Sat Aug 26 00:49:07 2023
    On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 3:41:18 AM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    The irony is that on her final show Dorothy thought that the celebrity guest was Marilyn Monroe, even though Monroe had died 3 years before. Was she really that sloshed?

    Nonsense. Dorothy thought nothing of the kind. The name "Norma" can apply to people other than just Marilyn.

    http://dvp-potpourri.blogspot.com/2014/05/whats-my-line-november-7-1965.html

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  • From Sky Throne 19efppp@21:1/5 to gggg gggg on Sat Aug 26 00:39:40 2023
    On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 3:24:29 AM UTC-4, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 20, 2017 at 6:08:46 PM UTC-8, sbha...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 1:51:27 PM UTC-8, donoh...@gmail.com wrote:
    She wasn`t just writing an article proving The Warren Report the biggest lie in history. She was writing a book, and had been the only one allowed to interview Ruby. A journalist like herself always kept recordings and notes when they interview.
    Authorities claim she took no notes or any recording. Her publisher gave her an advance when she showed them what she had written so far. Then when asked where the book segments were the publisher denied ever seeing any of it. A cased check with the note
    at the bottome reading, "For advance payment on partial book.". Like all media daring to show anything contrary to The Warren Report they were "gotten to" by forces within our own Gov`t. To this day television networks are forbidden to air anything that
    question Warren Report.
    ===

    Kilgallen's interview of Ruby was a few minutes and was with a bunch of other reporters, not an "exclusive."

    The rest of it is that Kilgallen was duped by various CT's an fell for them. One was Mark Lane, using much of the crap that clogs forums like this (ie. Weitzman's mistaken ID of the rifle as a Mauser). She also fell for Robert Groden's idea that the
    the Oswald backyard photos are fakes. This is the Robert Groden who in the 1993 OJ Simpson trial testified that the photo of Simpson wearing Bruno Magli shoes was a fake. (Later 30 more photos of Simpson on the same day by another photographer turned up--
    there was no fake).

    She conducted her own investigation of the Brennan ID of Oswald under conditions not at all like those at the TSBD, and then proceed to repeat the assertion that Brennan cannot have ID'ed Oswald at the final shot because the Zapruder film shows
    Brennan looking in another direction (true only for earlier segments-- he is at the depository, and of course is not visible at the final shot).

    She, like her husband, was barbituate pill addict and alcoholic. She slurred her way through her last episode of What's My Line? and was dead 4 hours later, of a probable accidental overdose. Nothing to see, here.

    http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/kilgallen.txt
    (Youtube upload):

    "What's My Line? - Dorothy's Final Show - Joey Heatherton (Nov 7, 1965) [W/ COMMERCIALS]"

    The irony is that on her final show Dorothy thought that the celebrity guest was Marilyn Monroe, even though Monroe had died 3 years before. Was she really that sloshed?

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to sbha...@gmail.com on Sat Aug 26 00:24:27 2023
    On Wednesday, December 20, 2017 at 6:08:46 PM UTC-8, sbha...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 1:51:27 PM UTC-8, donoh...@gmail.com wrote:
    She wasn`t just writing an article proving The Warren Report the biggest lie in history. She was writing a book, and had been the only one allowed to interview Ruby. A journalist like herself always kept recordings and notes when they interview.
    Authorities claim she took no notes or any recording. Her publisher gave her an advance when she showed them what she had written so far. Then when asked where the book segments were the publisher denied ever seeing any of it. A cased check with the note
    at the bottome reading, "For advance payment on partial book.". Like all media daring to show anything contrary to The Warren Report they were "gotten to" by forces within our own Gov`t. To this day television networks are forbidden to air anything that
    question Warren Report.
    ===

    Kilgallen's interview of Ruby was a few minutes and was with a bunch of other reporters, not an "exclusive."

    The rest of it is that Kilgallen was duped by various CT's an fell for them. One was Mark Lane, using much of the crap that clogs forums like this (ie. Weitzman's mistaken ID of the rifle as a Mauser). She also fell for Robert Groden's idea that the
    the Oswald backyard photos are fakes. This is the Robert Groden who in the 1993 OJ Simpson trial testified that the photo of Simpson wearing Bruno Magli shoes was a fake. (Later 30 more photos of Simpson on the same day by another photographer turned up--
    there was no fake).

    She conducted her own investigation of the Brennan ID of Oswald under conditions not at all like those at the TSBD, and then proceed to repeat the assertion that Brennan cannot have ID'ed Oswald at the final shot because the Zapruder film shows Brennan
    looking in another direction (true only for earlier segments-- he is at the depository, and of course is not visible at the final shot).

    She, like her husband, was barbituate pill addict and alcoholic. She slurred her way through her last episode of What's My Line? and was dead 4 hours later, of a probable accidental overdose. Nothing to see, here.

    http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/kilgallen.txt

    (Youtube upload):

    "What's My Line? - Dorothy's Final Show - Joey Heatherton (Nov 7, 1965) [W/ COMMERCIALS]"

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  • From Sky Throne 19efppp@21:1/5 to David Von Pein on Sat Aug 26 00:55:20 2023
    On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 3:49:08 AM UTC-4, David Von Pein wrote:
    On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 3:41:18 AM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    The irony is that on her final show Dorothy thought that the celebrity guest was Marilyn Monroe, even though Monroe had died 3 years before. Was she really that sloshed?
    Nonsense. Dorothy thought nothing of the kind. The name "Norma" can apply to people other than just Marilyn.

    http://dvp-potpourri.blogspot.com/2014/05/whats-my-line-november-7-1965.html

    Name another celebrity at the time who's real name had been Norma!

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to All on Sat Aug 26 01:15:34 2023
    On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 12:41:18 AM UTC-7, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 3:24:29 AM UTC-4, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 20, 2017 at 6:08:46 PM UTC-8, sbha...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 1:51:27 PM UTC-8, donoh...@gmail.com wrote:
    She wasn`t just writing an article proving The Warren Report the biggest lie in history. She was writing a book, and had been the only one allowed to interview Ruby. A journalist like herself always kept recordings and notes when they interview.
    Authorities claim she took no notes or any recording. Her publisher gave her an advance when she showed them what she had written so far. Then when asked where the book segments were the publisher denied ever seeing any of it. A cased check with the note
    at the bottome reading, "For advance payment on partial book.". Like all media daring to show anything contrary to The Warren Report they were "gotten to" by forces within our own Gov`t. To this day television networks are forbidden to air anything that
    question Warren Report.
    ===

    Kilgallen's interview of Ruby was a few minutes and was with a bunch of other reporters, not an "exclusive."

    The rest of it is that Kilgallen was duped by various CT's an fell for them. One was Mark Lane, using much of the crap that clogs forums like this (ie. Weitzman's mistaken ID of the rifle as a Mauser). She also fell for Robert Groden's idea that
    the the Oswald backyard photos are fakes. This is the Robert Groden who in the 1993 OJ Simpson trial testified that the photo of Simpson wearing Bruno Magli shoes was a fake. (Later 30 more photos of Simpson on the same day by another photographer turned
    up-- there was no fake).

    She conducted her own investigation of the Brennan ID of Oswald under conditions not at all like those at the TSBD, and then proceed to repeat the assertion that Brennan cannot have ID'ed Oswald at the final shot because the Zapruder film shows
    Brennan looking in another direction (true only for earlier segments-- he is at the depository, and of course is not visible at the final shot).

    She, like her husband, was barbituate pill addict and alcoholic. She slurred her way through her last episode of What's My Line? and was dead 4 hours later, of a probable accidental overdose. Nothing to see, here.

    http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/kilgallen.txt
    (Youtube upload):

    "What's My Line? - Dorothy's Final Show - Joey Heatherton (Nov 7, 1965) [W/ COMMERCIALS]"
    The irony is that on her final show Dorothy thought that the celebrity guest was Marilyn Monroe, even though Monroe had died 3 years before. Was she really that sloshed?

    She had actually met Monroe:

    https://www.google.cm/search?q=kilgallen+monroe&sca_esv=560294702&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1366&bih=657&ei=ObTpZOycG8fikPIPuuSRuAQ&iflsig=AD69kcEAAAAAZOnCSYW9WgavTBlaBMp6WceH4YEnR1If&ved=0ahUKEwisnYbS8PmAAxVHMUQIHTpyBEcQ4dUDCAc&uact=5&oq=kilgallen+monroe&
    gs_lp=EgNpbWciEGtpbGdhbGxlbiBtb25yb2VI3xhQAFipF3AAeACQAQCYAeABoAGtC6oBBjExLjQuMbgBA8gBAPgBAYoCC2d3cy13aXotaW1nwgIIEAAYgAQYsQPCAggQABixAxiDAcICBRAAGIAEwgILEAAYgAQYsQMYgwHCAgYQABgFGB7CAgcQABgYGIAEwgIGEAAYCBge&sclient=img

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  • From David Von Pein@21:1/5 to All on Sat Aug 26 01:26:51 2023
    Good! More conspiracies!

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to gggg gggg on Sat Aug 26 01:25:37 2023
    On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 12:24:29 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 20, 2017 at 6:08:46 PM UTC-8, sbha...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 1:51:27 PM UTC-8, donoh...@gmail.com wrote:
    She wasn`t just writing an article proving The Warren Report the biggest lie in history. She was writing a book, and had been the only one allowed to interview Ruby. A journalist like herself always kept recordings and notes when they interview.
    Authorities claim she took no notes or any recording. Her publisher gave her an advance when she showed them what she had written so far. Then when asked where the book segments were the publisher denied ever seeing any of it. A cased check with the note
    at the bottome reading, "For advance payment on partial book.". Like all media daring to show anything contrary to The Warren Report they were "gotten to" by forces within our own Gov`t. To this day television networks are forbidden to air anything that
    question Warren Report.
    ===

    Kilgallen's interview of Ruby was a few minutes and was with a bunch of other reporters, not an "exclusive."

    The rest of it is that Kilgallen was duped by various CT's an fell for them. One was Mark Lane, using much of the crap that clogs forums like this (ie. Weitzman's mistaken ID of the rifle as a Mauser). She also fell for Robert Groden's idea that the
    the Oswald backyard photos are fakes. This is the Robert Groden who in the 1993 OJ Simpson trial testified that the photo of Simpson wearing Bruno Magli shoes was a fake. (Later 30 more photos of Simpson on the same day by another photographer turned up--
    there was no fake).

    She conducted her own investigation of the Brennan ID of Oswald under conditions not at all like those at the TSBD, and then proceed to repeat the assertion that Brennan cannot have ID'ed Oswald at the final shot because the Zapruder film shows
    Brennan looking in another direction (true only for earlier segments-- he is at the depository, and of course is not visible at the final shot).

    She, like her husband, was barbituate pill addict and alcoholic. She slurred her way through her last episode of What's My Line? and was dead 4 hours later, of a probable accidental overdose. Nothing to see, here.

    http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/kilgallen.txt
    (Youtube upload):

    "What's My Line? - Dorothy's Final Show - Joey Heatherton (Nov 7, 1965) [W/ COMMERCIALS]"

    The moderator of WHAT'S MY LINE? John Daly was the son-in-law of Earl Warren whose Commission Kilgallen had criticized.

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  • From Sky Throne 19efppp@21:1/5 to David Von Pein on Sat Aug 26 01:33:13 2023
    On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 4:26:52 AM UTC-4, David Von Pein wrote:
    Good! More conspiracies!

    So, who are all of those other "Norma's" you had in mind?

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  • From Sky Throne 19efppp@21:1/5 to gggg gggg on Sat Aug 26 01:18:53 2023
    On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 4:15:36 AM UTC-4, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 12:41:18 AM UTC-7, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 3:24:29 AM UTC-4, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 20, 2017 at 6:08:46 PM UTC-8, sbha...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 1:51:27 PM UTC-8, donoh...@gmail.com wrote:
    She wasn`t just writing an article proving The Warren Report the biggest lie in history. She was writing a book, and had been the only one allowed to interview Ruby. A journalist like herself always kept recordings and notes when they interview.
    Authorities claim she took no notes or any recording. Her publisher gave her an advance when she showed them what she had written so far. Then when asked where the book segments were the publisher denied ever seeing any of it. A cased check with the
    note at the bottome reading, "For advance payment on partial book.". Like all media daring to show anything contrary to The Warren Report they were "gotten to" by forces within our own Gov`t. To this day television networks are forbidden to air anything
    that question Warren Report.
    ===

    Kilgallen's interview of Ruby was a few minutes and was with a bunch of other reporters, not an "exclusive."

    The rest of it is that Kilgallen was duped by various CT's an fell for them. One was Mark Lane, using much of the crap that clogs forums like this (ie. Weitzman's mistaken ID of the rifle as a Mauser). She also fell for Robert Groden's idea that
    the the Oswald backyard photos are fakes. This is the Robert Groden who in the 1993 OJ Simpson trial testified that the photo of Simpson wearing Bruno Magli shoes was a fake. (Later 30 more photos of Simpson on the same day by another photographer turned
    up-- there was no fake).

    She conducted her own investigation of the Brennan ID of Oswald under conditions not at all like those at the TSBD, and then proceed to repeat the assertion that Brennan cannot have ID'ed Oswald at the final shot because the Zapruder film shows
    Brennan looking in another direction (true only for earlier segments-- he is at the depository, and of course is not visible at the final shot).

    She, like her husband, was barbituate pill addict and alcoholic. She slurred her way through her last episode of What's My Line? and was dead 4 hours later, of a probable accidental overdose. Nothing to see, here.

    http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/kilgallen.txt
    (Youtube upload):

    "What's My Line? - Dorothy's Final Show - Joey Heatherton (Nov 7, 1965) [W/ COMMERCIALS]"
    The irony is that on her final show Dorothy thought that the celebrity guest was Marilyn Monroe, even though Monroe had died 3 years before. Was she really that sloshed?
    She had actually met Monroe:

    https://www.google.cm/search?q=kilgallen+monroe&sca_esv=560294702&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1366&bih=657&ei=ObTpZOycG8fikPIPuuSRuAQ&iflsig=AD69kcEAAAAAZOnCSYW9WgavTBlaBMp6WceH4YEnR1If&ved=0ahUKEwisnYbS8PmAAxVHMUQIHTpyBEcQ4dUDCAc&uact=5&oq=kilgallen+monroe&
    gs_lp=EgNpbWciEGtpbGdhbGxlbiBtb25yb2VI3xhQAFipF3AAeACQAQCYAeABoAGtC6oBBjExLjQuMbgBA8gBAPgBAYoCC2d3cy13aXotaW1nwgIIEAAYgAQYsQPCAggQABixAxiDAcICBRAAGIAEwgILEAAYgAQYsQMYgwHCAgYQABgFGB7CAgcQABgYGIAEwgIGEAAYCBge&sclient=img

    Yes indeed! Dorothy knew Marilyn, and certainly knew that she was not the mystery celebrity on her final show...and yet she asked Heatherton if her "real name" was Norma. DVP will not find another Norma that makes sense. He will just run away. So why
    would Dorothy on her last show cryptically point to Marilyn Monroe?

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  • From Sky Throne 19efppp@21:1/5 to gggg gggg on Sat Aug 26 01:36:07 2023
    On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 4:25:39 AM UTC-4, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 12:24:29 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 20, 2017 at 6:08:46 PM UTC-8, sbha...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 1:51:27 PM UTC-8, donoh...@gmail.com wrote:
    She wasn`t just writing an article proving The Warren Report the biggest lie in history. She was writing a book, and had been the only one allowed to interview Ruby. A journalist like herself always kept recordings and notes when they interview.
    Authorities claim she took no notes or any recording. Her publisher gave her an advance when she showed them what she had written so far. Then when asked where the book segments were the publisher denied ever seeing any of it. A cased check with the note
    at the bottome reading, "For advance payment on partial book.". Like all media daring to show anything contrary to The Warren Report they were "gotten to" by forces within our own Gov`t. To this day television networks are forbidden to air anything that
    question Warren Report.
    ===

    Kilgallen's interview of Ruby was a few minutes and was with a bunch of other reporters, not an "exclusive."

    The rest of it is that Kilgallen was duped by various CT's an fell for them. One was Mark Lane, using much of the crap that clogs forums like this (ie. Weitzman's mistaken ID of the rifle as a Mauser). She also fell for Robert Groden's idea that
    the the Oswald backyard photos are fakes. This is the Robert Groden who in the 1993 OJ Simpson trial testified that the photo of Simpson wearing Bruno Magli shoes was a fake. (Later 30 more photos of Simpson on the same day by another photographer turned
    up-- there was no fake).

    She conducted her own investigation of the Brennan ID of Oswald under conditions not at all like those at the TSBD, and then proceed to repeat the assertion that Brennan cannot have ID'ed Oswald at the final shot because the Zapruder film shows
    Brennan looking in another direction (true only for earlier segments-- he is at the depository, and of course is not visible at the final shot).

    She, like her husband, was barbituate pill addict and alcoholic. She slurred her way through her last episode of What's My Line? and was dead 4 hours later, of a probable accidental overdose. Nothing to see, here.

    http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/kilgallen.txt
    (Youtube upload):

    "What's My Line? - Dorothy's Final Show - Joey Heatherton (Nov 7, 1965) [W/ COMMERCIALS]"
    The moderator of WHAT'S MY LINE? John Daly was the son-in-law of Earl Warren whose Commission Kilgallen had criticized.

    Yes indeed! And we know that somebody had leaked Warren Commission testimony to Dorothy. Something weird went on here. Also, Dorothy was having substantial money problems at this time, at least that's what I read somewhere. Even though she was part of
    the celebrity class.

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  • From David Von Pein@21:1/5 to All on Sat Aug 26 01:42:19 2023
    On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 4:33:15 AM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 4:26:52 AM UTC-4, David Von Pein wrote:
    Good! More conspiracies!

    So, who are all of those other "Norma's" you had in mind?

    No idea. But there obviously was at least one "Norma" that Dorothy had in mind. Because she certainly didn't just forget that MM was dead.

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  • From Sky Throne 19efppp@21:1/5 to David Von Pein on Sat Aug 26 02:00:52 2023
    On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 4:42:20 AM UTC-4, David Von Pein wrote:
    On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 4:33:15 AM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 4:26:52 AM UTC-4, David Von Pein wrote:
    Good! More conspiracies!

    So, who are all of those other "Norma's" you had in mind?
    No idea. But there obviously was at least one "Norma" that Dorothy had in mind. Because she certainly didn't just forget that MM was dead.

    DVP retreats to the circular reasoning of his Nutter Retard hamster wheel. He finds it comforting!

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  • From David Von Pein@21:1/5 to All on Sat Aug 26 02:15:39 2023
    On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 5:00:54 AM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    DVP retreats to the circular reasoning of his Nutter Retard hamster wheel. He finds it comforting!

    It's called "logical thinking" and "reasonable inference" and "discounting things that are silly and ridiculous".

    You, being a conspiracy fantasist, wouldn't know what those things are all about, however.

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  • From David Von Pein@21:1/5 to All on Sat Aug 26 02:25:09 2023
    Dorothy's Death.....

    http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2014/05/jfk-assassination-arguments-part-712.html

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to donoh...@gmail.com on Sat Aug 26 22:51:48 2023
    On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 1:51:27 PM UTC-8, donoh...@gmail.com wrote:
    She wasn`t just writing an article proving The Warren Report the biggest lie in history. She was writing a book, and had been the only one allowed to interview Ruby. A journalist like herself always kept recordings and notes when they interview.
    Authorities claim she took no notes or any recording. Her publisher gave her an advance when she showed them what she had written so far. Then when asked where the book segments were the publisher denied ever seeing any of it. A cased check with the note
    at the bottome reading, "For advance payment on partial book.". Like all media daring to show anything contrary to The Warren Report they were "gotten to" by forces within our own Gov`t. To this day television networks are forbidden to air anything that
    question Warren Report.

    https://history.howstuffworks.com/historical-figures/dorothy-kilgallen.htm

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to gggg gggg on Sun Aug 27 01:54:26 2023
    On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 10:51:49 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 1:51:27 PM UTC-8, donoh...@gmail.com wrote:
    She wasn`t just writing an article proving The Warren Report the biggest lie in history. She was writing a book, and had been the only one allowed to interview Ruby. A journalist like herself always kept recordings and notes when they interview.
    Authorities claim she took no notes or any recording. Her publisher gave her an advance when she showed them what she had written so far. Then when asked where the book segments were the publisher denied ever seeing any of it. A cased check with the note
    at the bottome reading, "For advance payment on partial book.". Like all media daring to show anything contrary to The Warren Report they were "gotten to" by forces within our own Gov`t. To this day television networks are forbidden to air anything that
    question Warren Report.
    https://history.howstuffworks.com/historical-figures/dorothy-kilgallen.htm

    (2023 Youtube upload):

    "The Suspicious Death of Dorothy Kilgallen"

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  • From John Corbett@21:1/5 to gggg gggg on Sun Aug 27 03:35:19 2023
    On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 1:51:49 AM UTC-4, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 1:51:27 PM UTC-8, donoh...@gmail.com wrote:
    She wasn`t just writing an article proving The Warren Report the biggest lie in history. She was writing a book, and had been the only one allowed to interview Ruby. A journalist like herself always kept recordings and notes when they interview.
    Authorities claim she took no notes or any recording. Her publisher gave her an advance when she showed them what she had written so far. Then when asked where the book segments were the publisher denied ever seeing any of it. A cased check with the note
    at the bottome reading, "For advance payment on partial book.". Like all media daring to show anything contrary to The Warren Report they were "gotten to" by forces within our own Gov`t. To this day television networks are forbidden to air anything that
    question Warren Report.
    https://history.howstuffworks.com/historical-figures/dorothy-kilgallen.htm

    It's amazing what people will write when they turn their imaginations loose.

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to gggg gggg on Sun Aug 27 12:47:48 2023
    On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 1:54:27 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 10:51:49 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 1:51:27 PM UTC-8, donoh...@gmail.com wrote:
    She wasn`t just writing an article proving The Warren Report the biggest lie in history. She was writing a book, and had been the only one allowed to interview Ruby. A journalist like herself always kept recordings and notes when they interview.
    Authorities claim she took no notes or any recording. Her publisher gave her an advance when she showed them what she had written so far. Then when asked where the book segments were the publisher denied ever seeing any of it. A cased check with the note
    at the bottome reading, "For advance payment on partial book.". Like all media daring to show anything contrary to The Warren Report they were "gotten to" by forces within our own Gov`t. To this day television networks are forbidden to air anything that
    question Warren Report.
    https://history.howstuffworks.com/historical-figures/dorothy-kilgallen.htm
    (2023 Youtube upload):

    "The Suspicious Death of Dorothy Kilgallen"

    (2023 Youtube upload):

    "The fascinating life and mysterious death of Dorothy Kilgallen"

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  • From Hank Sienzant@21:1/5 to gggg gggg on Mon Aug 28 04:49:33 2023
    On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 1:51:49 AM UTC-4, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 1:51:27 PM UTC-8, donoh...@gmail.com wrote:
    She wasn`t just writing an article proving The Warren Report the biggest lie in history. She was writing a book, and had been the only one allowed to interview Ruby. A journalist like herself always kept recordings and notes when they interview.
    Authorities claim she took no notes or any recording. Her publisher gave her an advance when she showed them what she had written so far. Then when asked where the book segments were the publisher denied ever seeing any of it. A cased check with the note
    at the bottome reading, "For advance payment on partial book.". Like all media daring to show anything contrary to The Warren Report they were "gotten to" by forces within our own Gov`t. To this day television networks are forbidden to air anything that
    question Warren Report.
    https://history.howstuffworks.com/historical-figures/dorothy-kilgallen.htm

    I’d love to see the citation for this claim:
    “To this day television networks are forbidden to air anything that question Warren Report.”

    Go ahead, we’ll wait.

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  • From Sky Throne 19efppp@21:1/5 to David Von Pein on Tue Aug 29 08:48:39 2023
    On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 5:25:11 AM UTC-4, David Von Pein wrote:
    Dorothy's Death.....

    http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2014/05/jfk-assassination-arguments-part-712.html

    That's a wonderfully evidence-free analysis of Dorothy Kilgallen's death. Oh, Von Pein, you've done it again!

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  • From Sky Throne 19efppp@21:1/5 to John Corbett on Tue Aug 29 09:57:17 2023
    On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 12:43:27 PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 11:48:41 AM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 5:25:11 AM UTC-4, David Von Pein wrote:
    Dorothy's Death.....

    http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2014/05/jfk-assassination-arguments-part-712.html
    That's a wonderfully evidence-free analysis of Dorothy Kilgallen's death. Oh, Von Pein, you've done it again!
    It's the conspiracy hobbyists who want to dispute the official finding that Dorothy Kilgallen's
    death was something other than an overdose. They are the ones who need to provide the
    evidence.

    You're free to take whatever evidence-free approach you like!

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  • From John Corbett@21:1/5 to All on Tue Aug 29 09:43:25 2023
    On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 11:48:41 AM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 5:25:11 AM UTC-4, David Von Pein wrote:
    Dorothy's Death.....

    http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2014/05/jfk-assassination-arguments-part-712.html
    That's a wonderfully evidence-free analysis of Dorothy Kilgallen's death. Oh, Von Pein, you've done it again!

    It's the conspiracy hobbyists who want to dispute the official finding that Dorothy Kilgallen's
    death was something other than an overdose. They are the ones who need to provide the
    evidence.

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  • From John Corbett@21:1/5 to All on Tue Aug 29 13:05:53 2023
    On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 12:57:19 PM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 12:43:27 PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 11:48:41 AM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 5:25:11 AM UTC-4, David Von Pein wrote:
    Dorothy's Death.....

    http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2014/05/jfk-assassination-arguments-part-712.html
    That's a wonderfully evidence-free analysis of Dorothy Kilgallen's death. Oh, Von Pein, you've done it again!
    It's the conspiracy hobbyists who want to dispute the official finding that Dorothy Kilgallen's
    death was something other than an overdose. They are the ones who need to provide the
    evidence.
    You're free to take whatever evidence-free approach you like!

    Evidence free is all the conspiracy hobbyists have ever offered.

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  • From David Von Pein@21:1/5 to All on Tue Aug 29 22:48:07 2023
    On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 11:48:41 AM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    That's a wonderfully evidence-free analysis of Dorothy Kilgallen's death. Oh, Von Pein, you've done it again!

    Thanks. Always happy to help the conspiracy-happy fantasists by imparting a little basic common sense.

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  • From Sky Throne 19efppp@21:1/5 to David Von Pein on Wed Aug 30 01:44:48 2023
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 1:48:08 AM UTC-4, David Von Pein wrote:
    On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 11:48:41 AM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    That's a wonderfully evidence-free analysis of Dorothy Kilgallen's death. Oh, Von Pein, you've done it again!
    Thanks. Always happy to help the conspiracy-happy fantasists by imparting a little basic common sense.

    Ignoring evidence always makes Nutter Retards happy!

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to geowright1963@gmail.com on Wed Aug 30 07:54:43 2023
    On Sun, 27 Aug 2023 03:35:19 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett <geowright1963@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 1:51:49?AM UTC-4, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 1:51:27?PM UTC-8, donoh...@gmail.com wrote: >> > She wasn`t just writing an article proving The Warren Report the biggest lie in history. She was writing a book, and had been the only one allowed to interview Ruby. A journalist like herself always kept recordings and notes when they interview.
    Authorities claim she took no notes or any recording. Her publisher gave her an advance when she showed them what she had written so far. Then when asked where the book segments were the publisher denied ever seeing any of it. A cased check with the note
    at the bottome reading, "For advance payment on partial book.". Like all media daring to show anything contrary to The Warren Report they were "gotten to" by forces within our own Gov`t. To this day television networks are forbidden to air anything that
    question Warren Report.
    https://history.howstuffworks.com/historical-figures/dorothy-kilgallen.htm

    It's amazing what people will write when they turn their imaginations loose.

    It's amazing what liars think passes for truth...

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to davevonpein@aol.com on Wed Aug 30 07:54:43 2023
    On Sat, 26 Aug 2023 02:15:39 -0700 (PDT), David Von Pein
    <davevonpein@aol.com> wrote:

    On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 5:00:54?AM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    DVP retreats to the circular reasoning of his Nutter Retard hamster wheel. He finds it comforting!

    It's called "logical thinking" and "reasonable inference" and "discounting things that are silly and ridiculous".


    No, it's called "speculation."

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to hsienzant@aol.com on Wed Aug 30 07:54:43 2023
    On Mon, 28 Aug 2023 04:49:33 -0700 (PDT), Hank Sienzant
    <hsienzant@aol.com> wrote:

    On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 1:51:49?AM UTC-4, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 1:51:27?PM UTC-8, donoh...@gmail.com wrote: >> > She wasn`t just writing an article proving The Warren Report the biggest lie in history. She was writing a book, and had been the only one allowed to interview Ruby. A journalist like herself always kept recordings and notes when they interview.
    Authorities claim she took no notes or any recording. Her publisher gave her an advance when she showed them what she had written so far. Then when asked where the book segments were the publisher denied ever seeing any of it. A cased check with the note
    at the bottome reading, "For advance payment on partial book.". Like all media daring to show anything contrary to The Warren Report they were "gotten to" by forces within our own Gov`t. To this day television networks are forbidden to air anything that
    question Warren Report.
    https://history.howstuffworks.com/historical-figures/dorothy-kilgallen.htm

    Id love to see the citation for this claim:
    To this day television networks are forbidden to air anything that question Warren Report.

    Go ahead, well wait.


    We'll wait **FOREVER** for you to address the topics you keep running
    from. You're so dumb that you believe:

    That the "A.B.C.D" description in the Autopsy Report refers to the
    location of the bullet wound in the back of JFK's head.

    Yet is TERRIFIED of quoting the sentence that precedes that in the
    Autopsy Report.

    And why do you make the baseless and lyiing claim that JFK's neck
    wound was dissected?

    Watch, as Huckster simply runs away from his unsupported claims.

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