Mooney's holler--the Rosetta stone for conspiracyfigures in the street just below. Recently, however, I realized that the figure in the window need not be identified photographically. The figure is *there*--that's all that's needed. That and the time he was there. He can be identified by a sort of
(I had a complaint here recently about over-lengthy posts, so I'll have to make this short and sweet. I aim to please.)
Both sides want to see proof that there was a conspiracy in Dealey Plaza, in 1963. Here it is, direct and brutal, though this post cannot stay s&s *and* identify the depository shooter.
I have long been curious about one photo in "Pictures of the Pain", page 519, taken at "approximately 1:00", from half a block away, and across Houston. Too far away, for identification purposes, both from the figure in the window in question and the
Time: a) "I saw the expended shells... I leaned out the window... I hollered... It was approaching 1 o'clock"--Deputy Sheriff Luke Mooney". (v3p284-5)floor "nest". But Crime Lab Det. Studebaker went along with Sawyer: He said that the remains "ought to be" in his pictures, taken on the 6th floor, but they were not. (v7p147) The 6th-floor advocates--caught between Sawyer and Studebaker. The telltale
b) At 12:58 or 12:59, DPD Sgt. G.V. Harkness radioed for the Crime Lab people to come to the depository. At 12:59, the dispatcher radioed that they were enroute. (CE 1974 p41)
c) Crime Lab's Lt. Day testified, "Shortly before 1 o'clock, I received a call from the police dispatcher to go to 411 Elm St. I went out of my office almost straight up 1 o'clock." (v4p249)
Location: a) "On the 3rd floor of this book company down here, we found empty rifle hulls, and it looked like the man had been here for some time"--Insp. J.H. Sawyer. (DPD radio, CE 1974 p176)
b) "Police found the remains of fried chicken and paper on the fifth floor. Apparently, the person had been there quite a while."--Insp. Sawyer, Stockton Record (AP), 11/22/63 p8. So, for Sawyer, "3rd floor" down translated as "5th floor" up.
c) Sheriff's deputies, upstairs, were torn between 5th floor (Faulkner, Wiseman) and 6th floor (Mooney, McCurley, Weatherford). The 6th-floor advocates tried to buttress their case by saying that they saw Sawyer's 5th-floor chicken remains in the 6th-
Finally, a deputy downstairs and outside completes my triangulation. Chief Criminal Deputy Allen Sweatt reported, "While I was still at the front of the building, Dep. Sheriff Luke Mooney stuck his head out of the 5th floor window and stated he hadfound some spent cartridge cases. (Decker Exhibit 5323 p531, 11/23/63)
At about 12:58, then, Mooney stuck his head out of the SE corner window, on the 5th floor, and reported finding the spent shells. And there's the picture of him doing just that, on page 519 of Trask. And there's your 5th-floor-HQ conspiracy.
You've been a great audience, thank you!
I'm trying to imagine what the over-lengthy version of this post would have been.
Keep looking at all the wrong things and looking at them incorrectly, Don. It's what you do.
On Fri, 18 Aug 2023 14:12:28 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett
<geowri...@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm trying to imagine what the over-lengthy version of this post would have been.
Keep looking at all the wrong things and looking at them incorrectly, Don. It's what you do.And you're a coward... it's what you do.
On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 4:02:29 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:figures in the street just below. Recently, however, I realized that the figure in the window need not be identified photographically. The figure is *there*--that's all that's needed. That and the time he was there. He can be identified by a sort of
Mooney's holler--the Rosetta stone for conspiracy
(I had a complaint here recently about over-lengthy posts, so I'll have to make this short and sweet. I aim to please.)
Both sides want to see proof that there was a conspiracy in Dealey Plaza, in 1963. Here it is, direct and brutal, though this post cannot stay s&s *and* identify the depository shooter.
I have long been curious about one photo in "Pictures of the Pain", page 519, taken at "approximately 1:00", from half a block away, and across Houston. Too far away, for identification purposes, both from the figure in the window in question and the
floor "nest". But Crime Lab Det. Studebaker went along with Sawyer: He said that the remains "ought to be" in his pictures, taken on the 6th floor, but they were not. (v7p147) The 6th-floor advocates--caught between Sawyer and Studebaker. The telltaleTime: a) "I saw the expended shells... I leaned out the window... I hollered... It was approaching 1 o'clock"--Deputy Sheriff Luke Mooney". (v3p284-5)
b) At 12:58 or 12:59, DPD Sgt. G.V. Harkness radioed for the Crime Lab people to come to the depository. At 12:59, the dispatcher radioed that they were enroute. (CE 1974 p41)
c) Crime Lab's Lt. Day testified, "Shortly before 1 o'clock, I received a call from the police dispatcher to go to 411 Elm St. I went out of my office almost straight up 1 o'clock." (v4p249)
Location: a) "On the 3rd floor of this book company down here, we found empty rifle hulls, and it looked like the man had been here for some time"--Insp. J.H. Sawyer. (DPD radio, CE 1974 p176)
b) "Police found the remains of fried chicken and paper on the fifth floor. Apparently, the person had been there quite a while."--Insp. Sawyer, Stockton Record (AP), 11/22/63 p8. So, for Sawyer, "3rd floor" down translated as "5th floor" up.
c) Sheriff's deputies, upstairs, were torn between 5th floor (Faulkner, Wiseman) and 6th floor (Mooney, McCurley, Weatherford). The 6th-floor advocates tried to buttress their case by saying that they saw Sawyer's 5th-floor chicken remains in the 6th-
found some spent cartridge cases. (Decker Exhibit 5323 p531, 11/23/63)Finally, a deputy downstairs and outside completes my triangulation. Chief Criminal Deputy Allen Sweatt reported, "While I was still at the front of the building, Dep. Sheriff Luke Mooney stuck his head out of the 5th floor window and stated he had
At about 12:58, then, Mooney stuck his head out of the SE corner window, on the 5th floor, and reported finding the spent shells. And there's the picture of him doing just that, on page 519 of Trask. And there's your 5th-floor-HQ conspiracy.
You've been a great audience, thank you!
I'm trying to imagine what the over-lengthy version of this post would have been.
Keep looking at all the wrong things and looking at them incorrectly, Don. It's what you do.
On Fri, 18 Aug 2023 14:12:28 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett
<geowri...@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm trying to imagine what the over-lengthy version of this post would have been.
Keep looking at all the wrong things and looking at them incorrectly, Don. It's what you do.And you're a coward... it's what you do.
So, according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval" shape that was
"virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?
Chickenshit is TERRIFIED of this simple honest question. He knows
that Bugliosi was a moron if he truly thought this... yet you can't
get Chickenshit to publicly acknowledge that Bugliosi said this.
It's a simple "Yes" or "No" question, and Chickenshit cannot cite
where he has EVER answered it.
So it's going to keep getting asked until Chickenshit answers it.
Mooney's holler--the Rosetta stone for conspiracyfigures in the street just below. Recently, however, I realized that the figure in the window need not be identified photographically. The figure is *there*--that's all that's needed. That and the time he was there. He can be identified by a sort of
(I had a complaint here recently about over-lengthy posts, so I'll have to make this short and sweet. I aim to please.)
Both sides want to see proof that there was a conspiracy in Dealey Plaza, in 1963. Here it is, direct and brutal, though this post cannot stay s&s *and* identify the depository shooter.
I have long been curious about one photo in "Pictures of the Pain", page 519, taken at "approximately 1:00", from half a block away, and across Houston. Too far away, for identification purposes, both from the figure in the window in question and the
Time: a) "I saw the expended shells... I leaned out the window... I hollered... It was approaching 1 o'clock"--Deputy Sheriff Luke Mooney". (v3p284-5)floor "nest". But Crime Lab Det. Studebaker went along with Sawyer: He said that the remains "ought to be" in his pictures, taken on the 6th floor, but they were not. (v7p147) The 6th-floor advocates--caught between Sawyer and Studebaker. The telltale
b) At 12:58 or 12:59, DPD Sgt. G.V. Harkness radioed for the Crime Lab people to come to the depository. At 12:59, the dispatcher radioed that they were enroute. (CE 1974 p41)
c) Crime Lab's Lt. Day testified, "Shortly before 1 o'clock, I received a call from the police dispatcher to go to 411 Elm St. I went out of my office almost straight up 1 o'clock." (v4p249)
Location: a) "On the 3rd floor of this book company down here, we found empty rifle hulls, and it looked like the man had been here for some time"--Insp. J.H. Sawyer. (DPD radio, CE 1974 p176)
b) "Police found the remains of fried chicken and paper on the fifth floor. Apparently, the person had been there quite a while."--Insp. Sawyer, Stockton Record (AP), 11/22/63 p8. So, for Sawyer, "3rd floor" down translated as "5th floor" up.
c) Sheriff's deputies, upstairs, were torn between 5th floor (Faulkner, Wiseman) and 6th floor (Mooney, McCurley, Weatherford). The 6th-floor advocates tried to buttress their case by saying that they saw Sawyer's 5th-floor chicken remains in the 6th-
Finally, a deputy downstairs and outside completes my triangulation. Chief Criminal Deputy Allen Sweatt reported, "While I was still at the front of the building, Dep. Sheriff Luke Mooney stuck his head out of the 5th floor window and stated he hadfound some spent cartridge cases. (Decker Exhibit 5323 p531, 11/23/63)
At about 12:58, then, Mooney stuck his head out of the SE corner window, on the 5th floor, and reported finding the spent shells. And there's the picture of him doing just that, on page 519 of Trask. And there's your 5th-floor-HQ conspiracy.
You've been a great audience, thank you!
dcw
On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 4:02:29 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:figures in the street just below. Recently, however, I realized that the figure in the window need not be identified photographically. The figure is *there*--that's all that's needed. That and the time he was there. He can be identified by a sort of
Mooney's holler--the Rosetta stone for conspiracy
(I had a complaint here recently about over-lengthy posts, so I'll have to make this short and sweet. I aim to please.)
Both sides want to see proof that there was a conspiracy in Dealey Plaza, in 1963. Here it is, direct and brutal, though this post cannot stay s&s *and* identify the depository shooter.
I have long been curious about one photo in "Pictures of the Pain", page 519, taken at "approximately 1:00", from half a block away, and across Houston. Too far away, for identification purposes, both from the figure in the window in question and the
floor "nest". But Crime Lab Det. Studebaker went along with Sawyer: He said that the remains "ought to be" in his pictures, taken on the 6th floor, but they were not. (v7p147) The 6th-floor advocates--caught between Sawyer and Studebaker. The telltaleTime: a) "I saw the expended shells... I leaned out the window... I hollered... It was approaching 1 o'clock"--Deputy Sheriff Luke Mooney". (v3p284-5)
b) At 12:58 or 12:59, DPD Sgt. G.V. Harkness radioed for the Crime Lab people to come to the depository. At 12:59, the dispatcher radioed that they were enroute. (CE 1974 p41)
c) Crime Lab's Lt. Day testified, "Shortly before 1 o'clock, I received a call from the police dispatcher to go to 411 Elm St. I went out of my office almost straight up 1 o'clock." (v4p249)
Location: a) "On the 3rd floor of this book company down here, we found empty rifle hulls, and it looked like the man had been here for some time"--Insp. J.H. Sawyer. (DPD radio, CE 1974 p176)
b) "Police found the remains of fried chicken and paper on the fifth floor. Apparently, the person had been there quite a while."--Insp. Sawyer, Stockton Record (AP), 11/22/63 p8. So, for Sawyer, "3rd floor" down translated as "5th floor" up.
c) Sheriff's deputies, upstairs, were torn between 5th floor (Faulkner, Wiseman) and 6th floor (Mooney, McCurley, Weatherford). The 6th-floor advocates tried to buttress their case by saying that they saw Sawyer's 5th-floor chicken remains in the 6th-
found some spent cartridge cases. (Decker Exhibit 5323 p531, 11/23/63)Finally, a deputy downstairs and outside completes my triangulation. Chief Criminal Deputy Allen Sweatt reported, "While I was still at the front of the building, Dep. Sheriff Luke Mooney stuck his head out of the 5th floor window and stated he had
At about 12:58, then, Mooney stuck his head out of the SE corner window, on the 5th floor, and reported finding the spent shells. And there's the picture of him doing just that, on page 519 of Trask. And there's your 5th-floor-HQ conspiracy.
You've been a great audience, thank you!
dcwEven though there was a black man firing a rifle on the 5th floor, I think Mooney discovered the 6th floor "sniper's nest." There's no evidence of piled up boxes in the photography on the 5th floor.
And certainly it would have been part of the plan to immediately pick up the expended hulls on the 5th floor.
Two of them probably were doing that when the "Powell Photo" was taken.
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:15:52 AM UTC-7, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:the figures in the street just below. Recently, however, I realized that the figure in the window need not be identified photographically. The figure is *there*--that's all that's needed. That and the time he was there. He can be identified by a sort of
On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 4:02:29 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
Mooney's holler--the Rosetta stone for conspiracy
(I had a complaint here recently about over-lengthy posts, so I'll have to make this short and sweet. I aim to please.)
Both sides want to see proof that there was a conspiracy in Dealey Plaza, in 1963. Here it is, direct and brutal, though this post cannot stay s&s *and* identify the depository shooter.
I have long been curious about one photo in "Pictures of the Pain", page 519, taken at "approximately 1:00", from half a block away, and across Houston. Too far away, for identification purposes, both from the figure in the window in question and
6th-floor "nest". But Crime Lab Det. Studebaker went along with Sawyer: He said that the remains "ought to be" in his pictures, taken on the 6th floor, but they were not. (v7p147) The 6th-floor advocates--caught between Sawyer and Studebaker. TheTime: a) "I saw the expended shells... I leaned out the window... I hollered... It was approaching 1 o'clock"--Deputy Sheriff Luke Mooney". (v3p284-5)
b) At 12:58 or 12:59, DPD Sgt. G.V. Harkness radioed for the Crime Lab people to come to the depository. At 12:59, the dispatcher radioed that they were enroute. (CE 1974 p41)
c) Crime Lab's Lt. Day testified, "Shortly before 1 o'clock, I received a call from the police dispatcher to go to 411 Elm St. I went out of my office almost straight up 1 o'clock." (v4p249)
Location: a) "On the 3rd floor of this book company down here, we found empty rifle hulls, and it looked like the man had been here for some time"--Insp. J.H. Sawyer. (DPD radio, CE 1974 p176)
b) "Police found the remains of fried chicken and paper on the fifth floor. Apparently, the person had been there quite a while."--Insp. Sawyer, Stockton Record (AP), 11/22/63 p8. So, for Sawyer, "3rd floor" down translated as "5th floor" up.
c) Sheriff's deputies, upstairs, were torn between 5th floor (Faulkner, Wiseman) and 6th floor (Mooney, McCurley, Weatherford). The 6th-floor advocates tried to buttress their case by saying that they saw Sawyer's 5th-floor chicken remains in the
found some spent cartridge cases. (Decker Exhibit 5323 p531, 11/23/63)Finally, a deputy downstairs and outside completes my triangulation. Chief Criminal Deputy Allen Sweatt reported, "While I was still at the front of the building, Dep. Sheriff Luke Mooney stuck his head out of the 5th floor window and stated he had
At about 12:58, then, Mooney stuck his head out of the SE corner window, on the 5th floor, and reported finding the spent shells. And there's the picture of him doing just that, on page 519 of Trask. And there's your 5th-floor-HQ conspiracy.
You've been a great audience, thank you!
There's evidence of something besides a human figure in the 5th-floor "nest" in the Weaver Polaroid. There are white somethings all along the bottom of the pic.dcwEven though there was a black man firing a rifle on the 5th floor, I think Mooney discovered the 6th floor "sniper's nest." There's no evidence of piled up boxes in the photography on the 5th floor.
And certainly it would have been part of the plan to immediately pick up the expended hulls on the 5th floor.Since Fritz was up there early,
I think it happened pretty immediately, upon discovery. For instance, Haygood, who originally said he saw the shells with the boxes, forgot all about shells for the HSCA. He remembered inconsequential things, though.
Two of them probably were doing that when the "Powell Photo" was taken.Not *that* immediately. I think there had to be *some* basis provided for searchers seeing shells in situ, & other, phony sighters were then enlisted, like Haygood. After all, he stole, with Henslee's help, (LL) Hill's 12:37 transmissions...
dcw
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:07:30 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:the figures in the street just below. Recently, however, I realized that the figure in the window need not be identified photographically. The figure is *there*--that's all that's needed. That and the time he was there. He can be identified by a sort of
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:15:52 AM UTC-7, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 4:02:29 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
Mooney's holler--the Rosetta stone for conspiracy
(I had a complaint here recently about over-lengthy posts, so I'll have to make this short and sweet. I aim to please.)
Both sides want to see proof that there was a conspiracy in Dealey Plaza, in 1963. Here it is, direct and brutal, though this post cannot stay s&s *and* identify the depository shooter.
I have long been curious about one photo in "Pictures of the Pain", page 519, taken at "approximately 1:00", from half a block away, and across Houston. Too far away, for identification purposes, both from the figure in the window in question and
6th-floor "nest". But Crime Lab Det. Studebaker went along with Sawyer: He said that the remains "ought to be" in his pictures, taken on the 6th floor, but they were not. (v7p147) The 6th-floor advocates--caught between Sawyer and Studebaker. TheTime: a) "I saw the expended shells... I leaned out the window... I hollered... It was approaching 1 o'clock"--Deputy Sheriff Luke Mooney". (v3p284-5)
b) At 12:58 or 12:59, DPD Sgt. G.V. Harkness radioed for the Crime Lab people to come to the depository. At 12:59, the dispatcher radioed that they were enroute. (CE 1974 p41)
c) Crime Lab's Lt. Day testified, "Shortly before 1 o'clock, I received a call from the police dispatcher to go to 411 Elm St. I went out of my office almost straight up 1 o'clock." (v4p249)
Location: a) "On the 3rd floor of this book company down here, we found empty rifle hulls, and it looked like the man had been here for some time"--Insp. J.H. Sawyer. (DPD radio, CE 1974 p176)
b) "Police found the remains of fried chicken and paper on the fifth floor. Apparently, the person had been there quite a while."--Insp. Sawyer, Stockton Record (AP), 11/22/63 p8. So, for Sawyer, "3rd floor" down translated as "5th floor" up.
c) Sheriff's deputies, upstairs, were torn between 5th floor (Faulkner, Wiseman) and 6th floor (Mooney, McCurley, Weatherford). The 6th-floor advocates tried to buttress their case by saying that they saw Sawyer's 5th-floor chicken remains in the
had found some spent cartridge cases. (Decker Exhibit 5323 p531, 11/23/63)Finally, a deputy downstairs and outside completes my triangulation. Chief Criminal Deputy Allen Sweatt reported, "While I was still at the front of the building, Dep. Sheriff Luke Mooney stuck his head out of the 5th floor window and stated he
At about 12:58, then, Mooney stuck his head out of the SE corner window, on the 5th floor, and reported finding the spent shells. And there's the picture of him doing just that, on page 519 of Trask. And there's your 5th-floor-HQ conspiracy.
You've been a great audience, thank you!
He wasn`t, he went to Parkland.There's evidence of something besides a human figure in the 5th-floor "nest" in the Weaver Polaroid. There are white somethings all along the bottom of the pic.dcwEven though there was a black man firing a rifle on the 5th floor, I think Mooney discovered the 6th floor "sniper's nest." There's no evidence of piled up boxes in the photography on the 5th floor.
And certainly it would have been part of the plan to immediately pick up the expended hulls on the 5th floor.Since Fritz was up there early,
I think it happened pretty immediately, upon discovery. For instance, Haygood, who originally said he saw the shells with the boxes, forgot all about shells for the HSCA. He remembered inconsequential things, though.
Two of them probably were doing that when the "Powell Photo" was taken. Not *that* immediately. I think there had to be *some* basis provided for searchers seeing shells in situ, & other, phony sighters were then enlisted, like Haygood. After all, he stole, with Henslee's help, (LL) Hill's 12:37 transmissions...
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:39:46 PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:and the figures in the street just below. Recently, however, I realized that the figure in the window need not be identified photographically. The figure is *there*--that's all that's needed. That and the time he was there. He can be identified by a sort
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:07:30 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:15:52 AM UTC-7, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 4:02:29 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
Mooney's holler--the Rosetta stone for conspiracy
(I had a complaint here recently about over-lengthy posts, so I'll have to make this short and sweet. I aim to please.)
Both sides want to see proof that there was a conspiracy in Dealey Plaza, in 1963. Here it is, direct and brutal, though this post cannot stay s&s *and* identify the depository shooter.
I have long been curious about one photo in "Pictures of the Pain", page 519, taken at "approximately 1:00", from half a block away, and across Houston. Too far away, for identification purposes, both from the figure in the window in question
the 6th-floor "nest". But Crime Lab Det. Studebaker went along with Sawyer: He said that the remains "ought to be" in his pictures, taken on the 6th floor, but they were not. (v7p147) The 6th-floor advocates--caught between Sawyer and Studebaker. TheTime: a) "I saw the expended shells... I leaned out the window... I hollered... It was approaching 1 o'clock"--Deputy Sheriff Luke Mooney". (v3p284-5)
b) At 12:58 or 12:59, DPD Sgt. G.V. Harkness radioed for the Crime Lab people to come to the depository. At 12:59, the dispatcher radioed that they were enroute. (CE 1974 p41)
c) Crime Lab's Lt. Day testified, "Shortly before 1 o'clock, I received a call from the police dispatcher to go to 411 Elm St. I went out of my office almost straight up 1 o'clock." (v4p249)
Location: a) "On the 3rd floor of this book company down here, we found empty rifle hulls, and it looked like the man had been here for some time"--Insp. J.H. Sawyer. (DPD radio, CE 1974 p176)
b) "Police found the remains of fried chicken and paper on the fifth floor. Apparently, the person had been there quite a while."--Insp. Sawyer, Stockton Record (AP), 11/22/63 p8. So, for Sawyer, "3rd floor" down translated as "5th floor" up.
c) Sheriff's deputies, upstairs, were torn between 5th floor (Faulkner, Wiseman) and 6th floor (Mooney, McCurley, Weatherford). The 6th-floor advocates tried to buttress their case by saying that they saw Sawyer's 5th-floor chicken remains in
had found some spent cartridge cases. (Decker Exhibit 5323 p531, 11/23/63)Finally, a deputy downstairs and outside completes my triangulation. Chief Criminal Deputy Allen Sweatt reported, "While I was still at the front of the building, Dep. Sheriff Luke Mooney stuck his head out of the 5th floor window and stated he
At about 12:58, then, Mooney stuck his head out of the SE corner window, on the 5th floor, and reported finding the spent shells. And there's the picture of him doing just that, on page 519 of Trask. And there's your 5th-floor-HQ conspiracy.
You've been a great audience, thank you!
He wasn`t, he went to Parkland.There's evidence of something besides a human figure in the 5th-floor "nest" in the Weaver Polaroid. There are white somethings all along the bottom of the pic.dcwEven though there was a black man firing a rifle on the 5th floor, I think Mooney discovered the 6th floor "sniper's nest." There's no evidence of piled up boxes in the photography on the 5th floor.
And certainly it would have been part of the plan to immediately pick up the expended hulls on the 5th floor.Since Fritz was up there early,
I think it happened pretty immediately, upon discovery. For instance, Haygood, who originally said he saw the shells with the boxes, forgot all about shells for the HSCA. He remembered inconsequential things, though.
Two of them probably were doing that when the "Powell Photo" was taken. Not *that* immediately. I think there had to be *some* basis provided for searchers seeing shells in situ, & other, phony sighters were then enlisted, like Haygood. After all, he stole, with Henslee's help, (LL) Hill's 12:37 transmissions...
If somebody wanted to know what a gish gallop is, all they would have to do is read one of Don's
posts. They are the essence of what a gish gallop is. The more current vernacular is "word salad".
Whatever term is applied to them, his posts are almost impossible to follow. It's like trying to
make sense of a Jackson Pollock painting. He just throws a bunch of shit on the wall and then
tries to tell us what it means. I gave up long ago trying to follow his goofy reasoning. I'd get
migraines from trying. It's amazing how many illogical conclusions a man can pack into one
post of about a half dozen paragraphs. Whoever said you can't put ten pounds of shit in a five
pound bag never read one of Don's posts.
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 2:51:25 PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:and the figures in the street just below. Recently, however, I realized that the figure in the window need not be identified photographically. The figure is *there*--that's all that's needed. That and the time he was there. He can be identified by a sort
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:39:46 PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:07:30 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:15:52 AM UTC-7, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 4:02:29 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
Mooney's holler--the Rosetta stone for conspiracy
(I had a complaint here recently about over-lengthy posts, so I'll have to make this short and sweet. I aim to please.)
Both sides want to see proof that there was a conspiracy in Dealey Plaza, in 1963. Here it is, direct and brutal, though this post cannot stay s&s *and* identify the depository shooter.
I have long been curious about one photo in "Pictures of the Pain", page 519, taken at "approximately 1:00", from half a block away, and across Houston. Too far away, for identification purposes, both from the figure in the window in question
the 6th-floor "nest". But Crime Lab Det. Studebaker went along with Sawyer: He said that the remains "ought to be" in his pictures, taken on the 6th floor, but they were not. (v7p147) The 6th-floor advocates--caught between Sawyer and Studebaker. TheTime: a) "I saw the expended shells... I leaned out the window... I hollered... It was approaching 1 o'clock"--Deputy Sheriff Luke Mooney". (v3p284-5)
b) At 12:58 or 12:59, DPD Sgt. G.V. Harkness radioed for the Crime Lab people to come to the depository. At 12:59, the dispatcher radioed that they were enroute. (CE 1974 p41)
c) Crime Lab's Lt. Day testified, "Shortly before 1 o'clock, I received a call from the police dispatcher to go to 411 Elm St. I went out of my office almost straight up 1 o'clock." (v4p249)
Location: a) "On the 3rd floor of this book company down here, we found empty rifle hulls, and it looked like the man had been here for some time"--Insp. J.H. Sawyer. (DPD radio, CE 1974 p176)
b) "Police found the remains of fried chicken and paper on the fifth floor. Apparently, the person had been there quite a while."--Insp. Sawyer, Stockton Record (AP), 11/22/63 p8. So, for Sawyer, "3rd floor" down translated as "5th floor" up.
c) Sheriff's deputies, upstairs, were torn between 5th floor (Faulkner, Wiseman) and 6th floor (Mooney, McCurley, Weatherford). The 6th-floor advocates tried to buttress their case by saying that they saw Sawyer's 5th-floor chicken remains in
he had found some spent cartridge cases. (Decker Exhibit 5323 p531, 11/23/63)Finally, a deputy downstairs and outside completes my triangulation. Chief Criminal Deputy Allen Sweatt reported, "While I was still at the front of the building, Dep. Sheriff Luke Mooney stuck his head out of the 5th floor window and stated
At about 12:58, then, Mooney stuck his head out of the SE corner window, on the 5th floor, and reported finding the spent shells. And there's the picture of him doing just that, on page 519 of Trask. And there's your 5th-floor-HQ conspiracy.
You've been a great audience, thank you!
He wasn`t, he went to Parkland.There's evidence of something besides a human figure in the 5th-floor "nest" in the Weaver Polaroid. There are white somethings all along the bottom of the pic.dcwEven though there was a black man firing a rifle on the 5th floor, I think Mooney discovered the 6th floor "sniper's nest." There's no evidence of piled up boxes in the photography on the 5th floor.
And certainly it would have been part of the plan to immediately pick up the expended hulls on the 5th floor.Since Fritz was up there early,
I think it happened pretty immediately, upon discovery. For instance, Haygood, who originally said he saw the shells with the boxes, forgot all about shells for the HSCA. He remembered inconsequential things, though.
Two of them probably were doing that when the "Powell Photo" was taken.Not *that* immediately. I think there had to be *some* basis provided for searchers seeing shells in situ, & other, phony sighters were then enlisted, like Haygood. After all, he stole, with Henslee's help, (LL) Hill's 12:37 transmissions...
If somebody wanted to know what a gish gallop is, all they would have to do is read one of Don'sIn other words, you're too stupid to understand what Willis writes.
posts. They are the essence of what a gish gallop is. The more current vernacular is "word salad".
Whatever term is applied to them, his posts are almost impossible to follow. It's like trying to
make sense of a Jackson Pollock painting. He just throws a bunch of shit on the wall and then
tries to tell us what it means. I gave up long ago trying to follow his goofy reasoning. I'd get
migraines from trying. It's amazing how many illogical conclusions a man can pack into one
post of about a half dozen paragraphs. Whoever said you can't put ten pounds of shit in a five
pound bag never read one of Don's posts.
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 2:59:08 PM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:question and the figures in the street just below. Recently, however, I realized that the figure in the window need not be identified photographically. The figure is *there*--that's all that's needed. That and the time he was there. He can be identified
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 2:51:25 PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:39:46 PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:07:30 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:15:52 AM UTC-7, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 4:02:29 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
Mooney's holler--the Rosetta stone for conspiracy
(I had a complaint here recently about over-lengthy posts, so I'll have to make this short and sweet. I aim to please.)
Both sides want to see proof that there was a conspiracy in Dealey Plaza, in 1963. Here it is, direct and brutal, though this post cannot stay s&s *and* identify the depository shooter.
I have long been curious about one photo in "Pictures of the Pain", page 519, taken at "approximately 1:00", from half a block away, and across Houston. Too far away, for identification purposes, both from the figure in the window in
up.Time: a) "I saw the expended shells... I leaned out the window... I hollered... It was approaching 1 o'clock"--Deputy Sheriff Luke Mooney". (v3p284-5)
b) At 12:58 or 12:59, DPD Sgt. G.V. Harkness radioed for the Crime Lab people to come to the depository. At 12:59, the dispatcher radioed that they were enroute. (CE 1974 p41)
c) Crime Lab's Lt. Day testified, "Shortly before 1 o'clock, I received a call from the police dispatcher to go to 411 Elm St. I went out of my office almost straight up 1 o'clock." (v4p249)
Location: a) "On the 3rd floor of this book company down here, we found empty rifle hulls, and it looked like the man had been here for some time"--Insp. J.H. Sawyer. (DPD radio, CE 1974 p176)
b) "Police found the remains of fried chicken and paper on the fifth floor. Apparently, the person had been there quite a while."--Insp. Sawyer, Stockton Record (AP), 11/22/63 p8. So, for Sawyer, "3rd floor" down translated as "5th floor"
in the 6th-floor "nest". But Crime Lab Det. Studebaker went along with Sawyer: He said that the remains "ought to be" in his pictures, taken on the 6th floor, but they were not. (v7p147) The 6th-floor advocates--caught between Sawyer and Studebaker. Thec) Sheriff's deputies, upstairs, were torn between 5th floor (Faulkner, Wiseman) and 6th floor (Mooney, McCurley, Weatherford). The 6th-floor advocates tried to buttress their case by saying that they saw Sawyer's 5th-floor chicken remains
stated he had found some spent cartridge cases. (Decker Exhibit 5323 p531, 11/23/63)Finally, a deputy downstairs and outside completes my triangulation. Chief Criminal Deputy Allen Sweatt reported, "While I was still at the front of the building, Dep. Sheriff Luke Mooney stuck his head out of the 5th floor window and
At about 12:58, then, Mooney stuck his head out of the SE corner window, on the 5th floor, and reported finding the spent shells. And there's the picture of him doing just that, on page 519 of Trask. And there's your 5th-floor-HQ conspiracy.
You've been a great audience, thank you!
He wasn`t, he went to Parkland.There's evidence of something besides a human figure in the 5th-floor "nest" in the Weaver Polaroid. There are white somethings all along the bottom of the pic.dcwEven though there was a black man firing a rifle on the 5th floor, I think Mooney discovered the 6th floor "sniper's nest." There's no evidence of piled up boxes in the photography on the 5th floor.
And certainly it would have been part of the plan to immediately pick up the expended hulls on the 5th floor.Since Fritz was up there early,
I think it happened pretty immediately, upon discovery. For instance, Haygood, who originally said he saw the shells with the boxes, forgot all about shells for the HSCA. He remembered inconsequential things, though.
Two of them probably were doing that when the "Powell Photo" was taken.Not *that* immediately. I think there had to be *some* basis provided for searchers seeing shells in situ, & other, phony sighters were then enlisted, like Haygood. After all, he stole, with Henslee's help, (LL) Hill's 12:37 transmissions...
Stupidity has nothing to do with it. I have a logical mind and he doesn't. Neither do you for thatIf somebody wanted to know what a gish gallop is, all they would have to do is read one of Don'sIn other words, you're too stupid to understand what Willis writes.
posts. They are the essence of what a gish gallop is. The more current vernacular is "word salad".
Whatever term is applied to them, his posts are almost impossible to follow. It's like trying to
make sense of a Jackson Pollock painting. He just throws a bunch of shit on the wall and then
tries to tell us what it means. I gave up long ago trying to follow his goofy reasoning. I'd get
migraines from trying. It's amazing how many illogical conclusions a man can pack into one
post of about a half dozen paragraphs. Whoever said you can't put ten pounds of shit in a five
pound bag never read one of Don's posts.
matter.
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 4:38:42 PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:question and the figures in the street just below. Recently, however, I realized that the figure in the window need not be identified photographically. The figure is *there*--that's all that's needed. That and the time he was there. He can be identified
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 2:59:08 PM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 2:51:25 PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:39:46 PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:07:30 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:15:52 AM UTC-7, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 4:02:29 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
Mooney's holler--the Rosetta stone for conspiracy
(I had a complaint here recently about over-lengthy posts, so I'll have to make this short and sweet. I aim to please.)
Both sides want to see proof that there was a conspiracy in Dealey Plaza, in 1963. Here it is, direct and brutal, though this post cannot stay s&s *and* identify the depository shooter.
I have long been curious about one photo in "Pictures of the Pain", page 519, taken at "approximately 1:00", from half a block away, and across Houston. Too far away, for identification purposes, both from the figure in the window in
up.Time: a) "I saw the expended shells... I leaned out the window... I hollered... It was approaching 1 o'clock"--Deputy Sheriff Luke Mooney". (v3p284-5)
b) At 12:58 or 12:59, DPD Sgt. G.V. Harkness radioed for the Crime Lab people to come to the depository. At 12:59, the dispatcher radioed that they were enroute. (CE 1974 p41)
c) Crime Lab's Lt. Day testified, "Shortly before 1 o'clock, I received a call from the police dispatcher to go to 411 Elm St. I went out of my office almost straight up 1 o'clock." (v4p249)
Location: a) "On the 3rd floor of this book company down here, we found empty rifle hulls, and it looked like the man had been here for some time"--Insp. J.H. Sawyer. (DPD radio, CE 1974 p176)
b) "Police found the remains of fried chicken and paper on the fifth floor. Apparently, the person had been there quite a while."--Insp. Sawyer, Stockton Record (AP), 11/22/63 p8. So, for Sawyer, "3rd floor" down translated as "5th floor"
remains in the 6th-floor "nest". But Crime Lab Det. Studebaker went along with Sawyer: He said that the remains "ought to be" in his pictures, taken on the 6th floor, but they were not. (v7p147) The 6th-floor advocates--caught between Sawyer andc) Sheriff's deputies, upstairs, were torn between 5th floor (Faulkner, Wiseman) and 6th floor (Mooney, McCurley, Weatherford). The 6th-floor advocates tried to buttress their case by saying that they saw Sawyer's 5th-floor chicken
stated he had found some spent cartridge cases. (Decker Exhibit 5323 p531, 11/23/63)Finally, a deputy downstairs and outside completes my triangulation. Chief Criminal Deputy Allen Sweatt reported, "While I was still at the front of the building, Dep. Sheriff Luke Mooney stuck his head out of the 5th floor window and
conspiracy.At about 12:58, then, Mooney stuck his head out of the SE corner window, on the 5th floor, and reported finding the spent shells. And there's the picture of him doing just that, on page 519 of Trask. And there's your 5th-floor-HQ
You've been a great audience, thank you!
He wasn`t, he went to Parkland.There's evidence of something besides a human figure in the 5th-floor "nest" in the Weaver Polaroid. There are white somethings all along the bottom of the pic.dcwEven though there was a black man firing a rifle on the 5th floor, I think Mooney discovered the 6th floor "sniper's nest." There's no evidence of piled up boxes in the photography on the 5th floor.
And certainly it would have been part of the plan to immediately pick up the expended hulls on the 5th floor.Since Fritz was up there early,
I think it happened pretty immediately, upon discovery. For instance, Haygood, who originally said he saw the shells with the boxes, forgot all about shells for the HSCA. He remembered inconsequential things, though.
Two of them probably were doing that when the "Powell Photo" was taken.Not *that* immediately. I think there had to be *some* basis provided for searchers seeing shells in situ, & other, phony sighters were then enlisted, like Haygood. After all, he stole, with Henslee's help, (LL) Hill's 12:37 transmissions...
Oh yeah, that's right. You're too "logical" to understand what Willis writes!Stupidity has nothing to do with it. I have a logical mind and he doesn't. Neither do you for thatIf somebody wanted to know what a gish gallop is, all they would have to do is read one of Don'sIn other words, you're too stupid to understand what Willis writes.
posts. They are the essence of what a gish gallop is. The more current vernacular is "word salad".
Whatever term is applied to them, his posts are almost impossible to follow. It's like trying to
make sense of a Jackson Pollock painting. He just throws a bunch of shit on the wall and then
tries to tell us what it means. I gave up long ago trying to follow his goofy reasoning. I'd get
migraines from trying. It's amazing how many illogical conclusions a man can pack into one
post of about a half dozen paragraphs. Whoever said you can't put ten pounds of shit in a five
pound bag never read one of Don's posts.
matter.
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:07:30 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:the figures in the street just below. Recently, however, I realized that the figure in the window need not be identified photographically. The figure is *there*--that's all that's needed. That and the time he was there. He can be identified by a sort of
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:15:52 AM UTC-7, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 4:02:29 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
Mooney's holler--the Rosetta stone for conspiracy
(I had a complaint here recently about over-lengthy posts, so I'll have to make this short and sweet. I aim to please.)
Both sides want to see proof that there was a conspiracy in Dealey Plaza, in 1963. Here it is, direct and brutal, though this post cannot stay s&s *and* identify the depository shooter.
I have long been curious about one photo in "Pictures of the Pain", page 519, taken at "approximately 1:00", from half a block away, and across Houston. Too far away, for identification purposes, both from the figure in the window in question and
6th-floor "nest". But Crime Lab Det. Studebaker went along with Sawyer: He said that the remains "ought to be" in his pictures, taken on the 6th floor, but they were not. (v7p147) The 6th-floor advocates--caught between Sawyer and Studebaker. TheTime: a) "I saw the expended shells... I leaned out the window... I hollered... It was approaching 1 o'clock"--Deputy Sheriff Luke Mooney". (v3p284-5)
b) At 12:58 or 12:59, DPD Sgt. G.V. Harkness radioed for the Crime Lab people to come to the depository. At 12:59, the dispatcher radioed that they were enroute. (CE 1974 p41)
c) Crime Lab's Lt. Day testified, "Shortly before 1 o'clock, I received a call from the police dispatcher to go to 411 Elm St. I went out of my office almost straight up 1 o'clock." (v4p249)
Location: a) "On the 3rd floor of this book company down here, we found empty rifle hulls, and it looked like the man had been here for some time"--Insp. J.H. Sawyer. (DPD radio, CE 1974 p176)
b) "Police found the remains of fried chicken and paper on the fifth floor. Apparently, the person had been there quite a while."--Insp. Sawyer, Stockton Record (AP), 11/22/63 p8. So, for Sawyer, "3rd floor" down translated as "5th floor" up.
c) Sheriff's deputies, upstairs, were torn between 5th floor (Faulkner, Wiseman) and 6th floor (Mooney, McCurley, Weatherford). The 6th-floor advocates tried to buttress their case by saying that they saw Sawyer's 5th-floor chicken remains in the
had found some spent cartridge cases. (Decker Exhibit 5323 p531, 11/23/63)Finally, a deputy downstairs and outside completes my triangulation. Chief Criminal Deputy Allen Sweatt reported, "While I was still at the front of the building, Dep. Sheriff Luke Mooney stuck his head out of the 5th floor window and stated he
At about 12:58, then, Mooney stuck his head out of the SE corner window, on the 5th floor, and reported finding the spent shells. And there's the picture of him doing just that, on page 519 of Trask. And there's your 5th-floor-HQ conspiracy.
You've been a great audience, thank you!
He wasn`t, he went to Parkland.There's evidence of something besides a human figure in the 5th-floor "nest" in the Weaver Polaroid. There are white somethings all along the bottom of the pic.dcwEven though there was a black man firing a rifle on the 5th floor, I think Mooney discovered the 6th floor "sniper's nest." There's no evidence of piled up boxes in the photography on the 5th floor.
And certainly it would have been part of the plan to immediately pick up the expended hulls on the 5th floor.Since Fritz was up there early,
I think it happened pretty immediately, upon discovery. For instance, Haygood, who originally said he saw the shells with the boxes, forgot all about shells for the HSCA. He remembered inconsequential things, though.
Two of them probably were doing that when the "Powell Photo" was taken. Not *that* immediately. I think there had to be *some* basis provided for searchers seeing shells in situ, & other, phony sighters were then enlisted, like Haygood. After all, he stole, with Henslee's help, (LL) Hill's 12:37 transmissions...
dcw
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 9:39:46 AM UTC-7, Bud wrote:and the figures in the street just below. Recently, however, I realized that the figure in the window need not be identified photographically. The figure is *there*--that's all that's needed. That and the time he was there. He can be identified by a sort
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:07:30 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:15:52 AM UTC-7, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 4:02:29 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
Mooney's holler--the Rosetta stone for conspiracy
(I had a complaint here recently about over-lengthy posts, so I'll have to make this short and sweet. I aim to please.)
Both sides want to see proof that there was a conspiracy in Dealey Plaza, in 1963. Here it is, direct and brutal, though this post cannot stay s&s *and* identify the depository shooter.
I have long been curious about one photo in "Pictures of the Pain", page 519, taken at "approximately 1:00", from half a block away, and across Houston. Too far away, for identification purposes, both from the figure in the window in question
the 6th-floor "nest". But Crime Lab Det. Studebaker went along with Sawyer: He said that the remains "ought to be" in his pictures, taken on the 6th floor, but they were not. (v7p147) The 6th-floor advocates--caught between Sawyer and Studebaker. TheTime: a) "I saw the expended shells... I leaned out the window... I hollered... It was approaching 1 o'clock"--Deputy Sheriff Luke Mooney". (v3p284-5)
b) At 12:58 or 12:59, DPD Sgt. G.V. Harkness radioed for the Crime Lab people to come to the depository. At 12:59, the dispatcher radioed that they were enroute. (CE 1974 p41)
c) Crime Lab's Lt. Day testified, "Shortly before 1 o'clock, I received a call from the police dispatcher to go to 411 Elm St. I went out of my office almost straight up 1 o'clock." (v4p249)
Location: a) "On the 3rd floor of this book company down here, we found empty rifle hulls, and it looked like the man had been here for some time"--Insp. J.H. Sawyer. (DPD radio, CE 1974 p176)
b) "Police found the remains of fried chicken and paper on the fifth floor. Apparently, the person had been there quite a while."--Insp. Sawyer, Stockton Record (AP), 11/22/63 p8. So, for Sawyer, "3rd floor" down translated as "5th floor" up.
c) Sheriff's deputies, upstairs, were torn between 5th floor (Faulkner, Wiseman) and 6th floor (Mooney, McCurley, Weatherford). The 6th-floor advocates tried to buttress their case by saying that they saw Sawyer's 5th-floor chicken remains in
had found some spent cartridge cases. (Decker Exhibit 5323 p531, 11/23/63)Finally, a deputy downstairs and outside completes my triangulation. Chief Criminal Deputy Allen Sweatt reported, "While I was still at the front of the building, Dep. Sheriff Luke Mooney stuck his head out of the 5th floor window and stated he
there. Sims & Boyd went to Parkland, Fritz did not.At about 12:58, then, Mooney stuck his head out of the SE corner window, on the 5th floor, and reported finding the spent shells. And there's the picture of him doing just that, on page 519 of Trask. And there's your 5th-floor-HQ conspiracy.
You've been a great audience, thank you!
No, he didn't. Check the radio log transcriptions:He wasn`t, he went to Parkland.There's evidence of something besides a human figure in the 5th-floor "nest" in the Weaver Polaroid. There are white somethings all along the bottom of the pic.dcwEven though there was a black man firing a rifle on the 5th floor, I think Mooney discovered the 6th floor "sniper's nest." There's no evidence of piled up boxes in the photography on the 5th floor.
And certainly it would have been part of the plan to immediately pick up the expended hulls on the 5th floor.Since Fritz was up there early,
303 (Dets. R. M. Sims & E. L. Boyd) What hospital did the President go to? Dispatcher Parkland Hospital
Dispatcher 303, where are you?
303 (Dets. R. M. Sims & E. L. Boyd) Parkland Hospital
300 (Capt. John Will Fritz) 300, en route
Dispatcher 300, are you en route to Elm and Hourson to that store?
300 En route to the hospital.
Then check Fritz's testimony & the Sims/Boyd report: Fritz testified, falsely (as you see, above), that he was with Sims & Boyd in the same car to Parkland. He was in a different car, supposedly en route to Parkland, while Sims & Boyd were already
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 7:16:14 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:and the figures in the street just below. Recently, however, I realized that the figure in the window need not be identified photographically. The figure is *there*--that's all that's needed. That and the time he was there. He can be identified by a sort
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 9:39:46 AM UTC-7, Bud wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:07:30 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:15:52 AM UTC-7, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 4:02:29 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
Mooney's holler--the Rosetta stone for conspiracy
(I had a complaint here recently about over-lengthy posts, so I'll have to make this short and sweet. I aim to please.)
Both sides want to see proof that there was a conspiracy in Dealey Plaza, in 1963. Here it is, direct and brutal, though this post cannot stay s&s *and* identify the depository shooter.
I have long been curious about one photo in "Pictures of the Pain", page 519, taken at "approximately 1:00", from half a block away, and across Houston. Too far away, for identification purposes, both from the figure in the window in question
the 6th-floor "nest". But Crime Lab Det. Studebaker went along with Sawyer: He said that the remains "ought to be" in his pictures, taken on the 6th floor, but they were not. (v7p147) The 6th-floor advocates--caught between Sawyer and Studebaker. TheTime: a) "I saw the expended shells... I leaned out the window... I hollered... It was approaching 1 o'clock"--Deputy Sheriff Luke Mooney". (v3p284-5)
b) At 12:58 or 12:59, DPD Sgt. G.V. Harkness radioed for the Crime Lab people to come to the depository. At 12:59, the dispatcher radioed that they were enroute. (CE 1974 p41)
c) Crime Lab's Lt. Day testified, "Shortly before 1 o'clock, I received a call from the police dispatcher to go to 411 Elm St. I went out of my office almost straight up 1 o'clock." (v4p249)
Location: a) "On the 3rd floor of this book company down here, we found empty rifle hulls, and it looked like the man had been here for some time"--Insp. J.H. Sawyer. (DPD radio, CE 1974 p176)
b) "Police found the remains of fried chicken and paper on the fifth floor. Apparently, the person had been there quite a while."--Insp. Sawyer, Stockton Record (AP), 11/22/63 p8. So, for Sawyer, "3rd floor" down translated as "5th floor" up.
c) Sheriff's deputies, upstairs, were torn between 5th floor (Faulkner, Wiseman) and 6th floor (Mooney, McCurley, Weatherford). The 6th-floor advocates tried to buttress their case by saying that they saw Sawyer's 5th-floor chicken remains in
he had found some spent cartridge cases. (Decker Exhibit 5323 p531, 11/23/63)Finally, a deputy downstairs and outside completes my triangulation. Chief Criminal Deputy Allen Sweatt reported, "While I was still at the front of the building, Dep. Sheriff Luke Mooney stuck his head out of the 5th floor window and stated
there. Sims & Boyd went to Parkland, Fritz did not.At about 12:58, then, Mooney stuck his head out of the SE corner window, on the 5th floor, and reported finding the spent shells. And there's the picture of him doing just that, on page 519 of Trask. And there's your 5th-floor-HQ conspiracy.
You've been a great audience, thank you!
No, he didn't. Check the radio log transcriptions:He wasn`t, he went to Parkland.There's evidence of something besides a human figure in the 5th-floor "nest" in the Weaver Polaroid. There are white somethings all along the bottom of the pic.dcwEven though there was a black man firing a rifle on the 5th floor, I think Mooney discovered the 6th floor "sniper's nest." There's no evidence of piled up boxes in the photography on the 5th floor.
And certainly it would have been part of the plan to immediately pick up the expended hulls on the 5th floor.Since Fritz was up there early,
303 (Dets. R. M. Sims & E. L. Boyd) What hospital did the President go to? Dispatcher Parkland Hospital
Dispatcher 303, where are you?
303 (Dets. R. M. Sims & E. L. Boyd) Parkland Hospital
300 (Capt. John Will Fritz) 300, en route
Dispatcher 300, are you en route to Elm and Hourson to that store?
300 En route to the hospital.
Then check Fritz's testimony & the Sims/Boyd report: Fritz testified, falsely (as you see, above), that he was with Sims & Boyd in the same car to Parkland. He was in a different car, supposedly en route to Parkland, while Sims & Boyd were already
This is what is known as picking the fly shit out of the pepper.
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 9:39:46 AM UTC-7, Bud wrote:and the figures in the street just below. Recently, however, I realized that the figure in the window need not be identified photographically. The figure is *there*--that's all that's needed. That and the time he was there. He can be identified by a sort
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:07:30 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:15:52 AM UTC-7, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 4:02:29 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
Mooney's holler--the Rosetta stone for conspiracy
(I had a complaint here recently about over-lengthy posts, so I'll have to make this short and sweet. I aim to please.)
Both sides want to see proof that there was a conspiracy in Dealey Plaza, in 1963. Here it is, direct and brutal, though this post cannot stay s&s *and* identify the depository shooter.
I have long been curious about one photo in "Pictures of the Pain", page 519, taken at "approximately 1:00", from half a block away, and across Houston. Too far away, for identification purposes, both from the figure in the window in question
the 6th-floor "nest". But Crime Lab Det. Studebaker went along with Sawyer: He said that the remains "ought to be" in his pictures, taken on the 6th floor, but they were not. (v7p147) The 6th-floor advocates--caught between Sawyer and Studebaker. TheTime: a) "I saw the expended shells... I leaned out the window... I hollered... It was approaching 1 o'clock"--Deputy Sheriff Luke Mooney". (v3p284-5)
b) At 12:58 or 12:59, DPD Sgt. G.V. Harkness radioed for the Crime Lab people to come to the depository. At 12:59, the dispatcher radioed that they were enroute. (CE 1974 p41)
c) Crime Lab's Lt. Day testified, "Shortly before 1 o'clock, I received a call from the police dispatcher to go to 411 Elm St. I went out of my office almost straight up 1 o'clock." (v4p249)
Location: a) "On the 3rd floor of this book company down here, we found empty rifle hulls, and it looked like the man had been here for some time"--Insp. J.H. Sawyer. (DPD radio, CE 1974 p176)
b) "Police found the remains of fried chicken and paper on the fifth floor. Apparently, the person had been there quite a while."--Insp. Sawyer, Stockton Record (AP), 11/22/63 p8. So, for Sawyer, "3rd floor" down translated as "5th floor" up.
c) Sheriff's deputies, upstairs, were torn between 5th floor (Faulkner, Wiseman) and 6th floor (Mooney, McCurley, Weatherford). The 6th-floor advocates tried to buttress their case by saying that they saw Sawyer's 5th-floor chicken remains in
had found some spent cartridge cases. (Decker Exhibit 5323 p531, 11/23/63)Finally, a deputy downstairs and outside completes my triangulation. Chief Criminal Deputy Allen Sweatt reported, "While I was still at the front of the building, Dep. Sheriff Luke Mooney stuck his head out of the 5th floor window and stated he
there. Sims & Boyd went to Parkland, Fritz did not.At about 12:58, then, Mooney stuck his head out of the SE corner window, on the 5th floor, and reported finding the spent shells. And there's the picture of him doing just that, on page 519 of Trask. And there's your 5th-floor-HQ conspiracy.
You've been a great audience, thank you!
No, he didn't. Check the radio log transcriptions:He wasn`t, he went to Parkland.There's evidence of something besides a human figure in the 5th-floor "nest" in the Weaver Polaroid. There are white somethings all along the bottom of the pic.dcwEven though there was a black man firing a rifle on the 5th floor, I think Mooney discovered the 6th floor "sniper's nest." There's no evidence of piled up boxes in the photography on the 5th floor.
And certainly it would have been part of the plan to immediately pick up the expended hulls on the 5th floor.Since Fritz was up there early,
303 (Dets. R. M. Sims & E. L. Boyd) What hospital did the President go to? Dispatcher Parkland Hospital
Dispatcher 303, where are you?
303 (Dets. R. M. Sims & E. L. Boyd) Parkland Hospital
300 (Capt. John Will Fritz) 300, en route
Dispatcher 300, are you en route to Elm and Hourson to that store?
300 En route to the hospital.
Then check Fritz's testimony & the Sims/Boyd report: Fritz testified, falsely (as you see, above), that he was with Sims & Boyd in the same car to Parkland. He was in a different car, supposedly en route to Parkland, while Sims & Boyd were already
dcw
I think it happened pretty immediately, upon discovery. For instance, Haygood, who originally said he saw the shells with the boxes, forgot all about shells for the HSCA. He remembered inconsequential things, though.
Two of them probably were doing that when the "Powell Photo" was taken. Not *that* immediately. I think there had to be *some* basis provided for searchers seeing shells in situ, & other, phony sighters were then enlisted, like Haygood. After all, he stole, with Henslee's help, (LL) Hill's 12:37 transmissions...
dcw
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 7:16:14 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:and the figures in the street just below. Recently, however, I realized that the figure in the window need not be identified photographically. The figure is *there*--that's all that's needed. That and the time he was there. He can be identified by a sort
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 9:39:46 AM UTC-7, Bud wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:07:30 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:15:52 AM UTC-7, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 4:02:29 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
Mooney's holler--the Rosetta stone for conspiracy
(I had a complaint here recently about over-lengthy posts, so I'll have to make this short and sweet. I aim to please.)
Both sides want to see proof that there was a conspiracy in Dealey Plaza, in 1963. Here it is, direct and brutal, though this post cannot stay s&s *and* identify the depository shooter.
I have long been curious about one photo in "Pictures of the Pain", page 519, taken at "approximately 1:00", from half a block away, and across Houston. Too far away, for identification purposes, both from the figure in the window in question
the 6th-floor "nest". But Crime Lab Det. Studebaker went along with Sawyer: He said that the remains "ought to be" in his pictures, taken on the 6th floor, but they were not. (v7p147) The 6th-floor advocates--caught between Sawyer and Studebaker. TheTime: a) "I saw the expended shells... I leaned out the window... I hollered... It was approaching 1 o'clock"--Deputy Sheriff Luke Mooney". (v3p284-5)
b) At 12:58 or 12:59, DPD Sgt. G.V. Harkness radioed for the Crime Lab people to come to the depository. At 12:59, the dispatcher radioed that they were enroute. (CE 1974 p41)
c) Crime Lab's Lt. Day testified, "Shortly before 1 o'clock, I received a call from the police dispatcher to go to 411 Elm St. I went out of my office almost straight up 1 o'clock." (v4p249)
Location: a) "On the 3rd floor of this book company down here, we found empty rifle hulls, and it looked like the man had been here for some time"--Insp. J.H. Sawyer. (DPD radio, CE 1974 p176)
b) "Police found the remains of fried chicken and paper on the fifth floor. Apparently, the person had been there quite a while."--Insp. Sawyer, Stockton Record (AP), 11/22/63 p8. So, for Sawyer, "3rd floor" down translated as "5th floor" up.
c) Sheriff's deputies, upstairs, were torn between 5th floor (Faulkner, Wiseman) and 6th floor (Mooney, McCurley, Weatherford). The 6th-floor advocates tried to buttress their case by saying that they saw Sawyer's 5th-floor chicken remains in
he had found some spent cartridge cases. (Decker Exhibit 5323 p531, 11/23/63)Finally, a deputy downstairs and outside completes my triangulation. Chief Criminal Deputy Allen Sweatt reported, "While I was still at the front of the building, Dep. Sheriff Luke Mooney stuck his head out of the 5th floor window and stated
there. Sims & Boyd went to Parkland, Fritz did not.At about 12:58, then, Mooney stuck his head out of the SE corner window, on the 5th floor, and reported finding the spent shells. And there's the picture of him doing just that, on page 519 of Trask. And there's your 5th-floor-HQ conspiracy.
You've been a great audience, thank you!
No, he didn't. Check the radio log transcriptions:He wasn`t, he went to Parkland.There's evidence of something besides a human figure in the 5th-floor "nest" in the Weaver Polaroid. There are white somethings all along the bottom of the pic.dcwEven though there was a black man firing a rifle on the 5th floor, I think Mooney discovered the 6th floor "sniper's nest." There's no evidence of piled up boxes in the photography on the 5th floor.
And certainly it would have been part of the plan to immediately pick up the expended hulls on the 5th floor.Since Fritz was up there early,
303 (Dets. R. M. Sims & E. L. Boyd) What hospital did the President go to? Dispatcher Parkland Hospital
Dispatcher 303, where are you?
303 (Dets. R. M. Sims & E. L. Boyd) Parkland Hospital
300 (Capt. John Will Fritz) 300, en route
Dispatcher 300, are you en route to Elm and Hourson to that store?
300 En route to the hospital.
Then check Fritz's testimony & the Sims/Boyd report: Fritz testified, falsely (as you see, above), that he was with Sims & Boyd in the same car to Parkland. He was in a different car, supposedly en route to Parkland, while Sims & Boyd were already
So him saying he was going to the hospital means he didn`t go to the hospital?
dcw
I think it happened pretty immediately, upon discovery. For instance, Haygood, who originally said he saw the shells with the boxes, forgot all about shells for the HSCA. He remembered inconsequential things, though.
Two of them probably were doing that when the "Powell Photo" was taken.Not *that* immediately. I think there had to be *some* basis provided for searchers seeing shells in situ, & other, phony sighters were then enlisted, like Haygood. After all, he stole, with Henslee's help, (LL) Hill's 12:37 transmissions...
dcw
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:39:46 PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:and the figures in the street just below. Recently, however, I realized that the figure in the window need not be identified photographically. The figure is *there*--that's all that's needed. That and the time he was there. He can be identified by a sort
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:07:30 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:15:52 AM UTC-7, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 4:02:29 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
Mooney's holler--the Rosetta stone for conspiracy
(I had a complaint here recently about over-lengthy posts, so I'll have to make this short and sweet. I aim to please.)
Both sides want to see proof that there was a conspiracy in Dealey Plaza, in 1963. Here it is, direct and brutal, though this post cannot stay s&s *and* identify the depository shooter.
I have long been curious about one photo in "Pictures of the Pain", page 519, taken at "approximately 1:00", from half a block away, and across Houston. Too far away, for identification purposes, both from the figure in the window in question
the 6th-floor "nest". But Crime Lab Det. Studebaker went along with Sawyer: He said that the remains "ought to be" in his pictures, taken on the 6th floor, but they were not. (v7p147) The 6th-floor advocates--caught between Sawyer and Studebaker. TheTime: a) "I saw the expended shells... I leaned out the window... I hollered... It was approaching 1 o'clock"--Deputy Sheriff Luke Mooney". (v3p284-5)
b) At 12:58 or 12:59, DPD Sgt. G.V. Harkness radioed for the Crime Lab people to come to the depository. At 12:59, the dispatcher radioed that they were enroute. (CE 1974 p41)
c) Crime Lab's Lt. Day testified, "Shortly before 1 o'clock, I received a call from the police dispatcher to go to 411 Elm St. I went out of my office almost straight up 1 o'clock." (v4p249)
Location: a) "On the 3rd floor of this book company down here, we found empty rifle hulls, and it looked like the man had been here for some time"--Insp. J.H. Sawyer. (DPD radio, CE 1974 p176)
b) "Police found the remains of fried chicken and paper on the fifth floor. Apparently, the person had been there quite a while."--Insp. Sawyer, Stockton Record (AP), 11/22/63 p8. So, for Sawyer, "3rd floor" down translated as "5th floor" up.
c) Sheriff's deputies, upstairs, were torn between 5th floor (Faulkner, Wiseman) and 6th floor (Mooney, McCurley, Weatherford). The 6th-floor advocates tried to buttress their case by saying that they saw Sawyer's 5th-floor chicken remains in
had found some spent cartridge cases. (Decker Exhibit 5323 p531, 11/23/63)Finally, a deputy downstairs and outside completes my triangulation. Chief Criminal Deputy Allen Sweatt reported, "While I was still at the front of the building, Dep. Sheriff Luke Mooney stuck his head out of the 5th floor window and stated he
At about 12:58, then, Mooney stuck his head out of the SE corner window, on the 5th floor, and reported finding the spent shells. And there's the picture of him doing just that, on page 519 of Trask. And there's your 5th-floor-HQ conspiracy.
You've been a great audience, thank you!
He wasn`t, he went to Parkland.There's evidence of something besides a human figure in the 5th-floor "nest" in the Weaver Polaroid. There are white somethings all along the bottom of the pic.dcwEven though there was a black man firing a rifle on the 5th floor, I think Mooney discovered the 6th floor "sniper's nest." There's no evidence of piled up boxes in the photography on the 5th floor.
And certainly it would have been part of the plan to immediately pick up the expended hulls on the 5th floor.Since Fritz was up there early,
I think it happened pretty immediately, upon discovery. For instance, Haygood, who originally said he saw the shells with the boxes, forgot all about shells for the HSCA. He remembered inconsequential things, though.
Two of them probably were doing that when the "Powell Photo" was taken. Not *that* immediately. I think there had to be *some* basis provided for searchers seeing shells in situ, & other, phony sighters were then enlisted, like Haygood. After all, he stole, with Henslee's help, (LL) Hill's 12:37 transmissions...
If somebody wanted to know what a gish gallop is, all they would have to do is read one of Don's
posts. They are the essence of what a gish gallop is. The more current vernacular is "word salad".
Whatever term is applied to them, his posts are almost impossible to follow. It's like trying to
make sense of a Jackson Pollock painting. He just throws a bunch of shit on the wall and then
tries to tell us what it means. I gave up long ago trying to follow his goofy reasoning. I'd get
migraines from trying. It's amazing how many illogical conclusions a man can pack into one
post of about a half dozen paragraphs. Whoever said you can't put ten pounds of shit in a five
pound bag never read one of Don's posts.
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 11:51:25 AM UTC-7, John Corbett wrote:and the figures in the street just below. Recently, however, I realized that the figure in the window need not be identified photographically. The figure is *there*--that's all that's needed. That and the time he was there. He can be identified by a sort
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:39:46 PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:07:30 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:15:52 AM UTC-7, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 4:02:29 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
Mooney's holler--the Rosetta stone for conspiracy
(I had a complaint here recently about over-lengthy posts, so I'll have to make this short and sweet. I aim to please.)
Both sides want to see proof that there was a conspiracy in Dealey Plaza, in 1963. Here it is, direct and brutal, though this post cannot stay s&s *and* identify the depository shooter.
I have long been curious about one photo in "Pictures of the Pain", page 519, taken at "approximately 1:00", from half a block away, and across Houston. Too far away, for identification purposes, both from the figure in the window in question
the 6th-floor "nest". But Crime Lab Det. Studebaker went along with Sawyer: He said that the remains "ought to be" in his pictures, taken on the 6th floor, but they were not. (v7p147) The 6th-floor advocates--caught between Sawyer and Studebaker. TheTime: a) "I saw the expended shells... I leaned out the window... I hollered... It was approaching 1 o'clock"--Deputy Sheriff Luke Mooney". (v3p284-5)
b) At 12:58 or 12:59, DPD Sgt. G.V. Harkness radioed for the Crime Lab people to come to the depository. At 12:59, the dispatcher radioed that they were enroute. (CE 1974 p41)
c) Crime Lab's Lt. Day testified, "Shortly before 1 o'clock, I received a call from the police dispatcher to go to 411 Elm St. I went out of my office almost straight up 1 o'clock." (v4p249)
Location: a) "On the 3rd floor of this book company down here, we found empty rifle hulls, and it looked like the man had been here for some time"--Insp. J.H. Sawyer. (DPD radio, CE 1974 p176)
b) "Police found the remains of fried chicken and paper on the fifth floor. Apparently, the person had been there quite a while."--Insp. Sawyer, Stockton Record (AP), 11/22/63 p8. So, for Sawyer, "3rd floor" down translated as "5th floor" up.
c) Sheriff's deputies, upstairs, were torn between 5th floor (Faulkner, Wiseman) and 6th floor (Mooney, McCurley, Weatherford). The 6th-floor advocates tried to buttress their case by saying that they saw Sawyer's 5th-floor chicken remains in
he had found some spent cartridge cases. (Decker Exhibit 5323 p531, 11/23/63)Finally, a deputy downstairs and outside completes my triangulation. Chief Criminal Deputy Allen Sweatt reported, "While I was still at the front of the building, Dep. Sheriff Luke Mooney stuck his head out of the 5th floor window and stated
At about 12:58, then, Mooney stuck his head out of the SE corner window, on the 5th floor, and reported finding the spent shells. And there's the picture of him doing just that, on page 519 of Trask. And there's your 5th-floor-HQ conspiracy.
You've been a great audience, thank you!
He wasn`t, he went to Parkland.There's evidence of something besides a human figure in the 5th-floor "nest" in the Weaver Polaroid. There are white somethings all along the bottom of the pic.dcwEven though there was a black man firing a rifle on the 5th floor, I think Mooney discovered the 6th floor "sniper's nest." There's no evidence of piled up boxes in the photography on the 5th floor.
And certainly it would have been part of the plan to immediately pick up the expended hulls on the 5th floor.Since Fritz was up there early,
I think it happened pretty immediately, upon discovery. For instance, Haygood, who originally said he saw the shells with the boxes, forgot all about shells for the HSCA. He remembered inconsequential things, though.
Two of them probably were doing that when the "Powell Photo" was taken.Not *that* immediately. I think there had to be *some* basis provided for searchers seeing shells in situ, & other, phony sighters were then enlisted, like Haygood. After all, he stole, with Henslee's help, (LL) Hill's 12:37 transmissions...
If somebody wanted to know what a gish gallop is, all they would have to do is read one of Don'sI have to take it back--you're a *lousy* audience. Notice how John Robot generalizes re how my posts are impossible to follow.
posts. They are the essence of what a gish gallop is. The more current vernacular is "word salad".
Whatever term is applied to them, his posts are almost impossible to follow. It's like trying to
make sense of a Jackson Pollock painting. He just throws a bunch of shit on the wall and then
tries to tell us what it means. I gave up long ago trying to follow his goofy reasoning. I'd get
migraines from trying. It's amazing how many illogical conclusions a man can pack into one
post of about a half dozen paragraphs. Whoever said you can't put ten pounds of shit in a five
pound bag never read one of Don's posts.
Notice also how he does not give ONE instance of that. Perhaps he's still smarting from when Hank had to help him out to get the connection between Commission testimony and references therein to CE photos. He took the words in Bob Jackson's testimony atface value, without bothering to check what Jackson meant by "halfway" (page 159). That made Jackson's testimony, for Mr. Robot, "impossible to follow"! I think he needs Hank's help again, poor boy...
dcw
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 6:21:34 PM UTC-7, Bud wrote:question and the figures in the street just below. Recently, however, I realized that the figure in the window need not be identified photographically. The figure is *there*--that's all that's needed. That and the time he was there. He can be identified
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 7:16:14 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 9:39:46 AM UTC-7, Bud wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:07:30 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:15:52 AM UTC-7, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 4:02:29 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
Mooney's holler--the Rosetta stone for conspiracy
(I had a complaint here recently about over-lengthy posts, so I'll have to make this short and sweet. I aim to please.)
Both sides want to see proof that there was a conspiracy in Dealey Plaza, in 1963. Here it is, direct and brutal, though this post cannot stay s&s *and* identify the depository shooter.
I have long been curious about one photo in "Pictures of the Pain", page 519, taken at "approximately 1:00", from half a block away, and across Houston. Too far away, for identification purposes, both from the figure in the window in
up.Time: a) "I saw the expended shells... I leaned out the window... I hollered... It was approaching 1 o'clock"--Deputy Sheriff Luke Mooney". (v3p284-5)
b) At 12:58 or 12:59, DPD Sgt. G.V. Harkness radioed for the Crime Lab people to come to the depository. At 12:59, the dispatcher radioed that they were enroute. (CE 1974 p41)
c) Crime Lab's Lt. Day testified, "Shortly before 1 o'clock, I received a call from the police dispatcher to go to 411 Elm St. I went out of my office almost straight up 1 o'clock." (v4p249)
Location: a) "On the 3rd floor of this book company down here, we found empty rifle hulls, and it looked like the man had been here for some time"--Insp. J.H. Sawyer. (DPD radio, CE 1974 p176)
b) "Police found the remains of fried chicken and paper on the fifth floor. Apparently, the person had been there quite a while."--Insp. Sawyer, Stockton Record (AP), 11/22/63 p8. So, for Sawyer, "3rd floor" down translated as "5th floor"
in the 6th-floor "nest". But Crime Lab Det. Studebaker went along with Sawyer: He said that the remains "ought to be" in his pictures, taken on the 6th floor, but they were not. (v7p147) The 6th-floor advocates--caught between Sawyer and Studebaker. Thec) Sheriff's deputies, upstairs, were torn between 5th floor (Faulkner, Wiseman) and 6th floor (Mooney, McCurley, Weatherford). The 6th-floor advocates tried to buttress their case by saying that they saw Sawyer's 5th-floor chicken remains
stated he had found some spent cartridge cases. (Decker Exhibit 5323 p531, 11/23/63)Finally, a deputy downstairs and outside completes my triangulation. Chief Criminal Deputy Allen Sweatt reported, "While I was still at the front of the building, Dep. Sheriff Luke Mooney stuck his head out of the 5th floor window and
At about 12:58, then, Mooney stuck his head out of the SE corner window, on the 5th floor, and reported finding the spent shells. And there's the picture of him doing just that, on page 519 of Trask. And there's your 5th-floor-HQ conspiracy.
there. Sims & Boyd went to Parkland, Fritz did not.You've been a great audience, thank you!
No, he didn't. Check the radio log transcriptions:He wasn`t, he went to Parkland.There's evidence of something besides a human figure in the 5th-floor "nest" in the Weaver Polaroid. There are white somethings all along the bottom of the pic.dcwEven though there was a black man firing a rifle on the 5th floor, I think Mooney discovered the 6th floor "sniper's nest." There's no evidence of piled up boxes in the photography on the 5th floor.
And certainly it would have been part of the plan to immediately pick up the expended hulls on the 5th floor.Since Fritz was up there early,
303 (Dets. R. M. Sims & E. L. Boyd) What hospital did the President go to?
Dispatcher Parkland Hospital
Dispatcher 303, where are you?
303 (Dets. R. M. Sims & E. L. Boyd) Parkland Hospital
300 (Capt. John Will Fritz) 300, en route
Dispatcher 300, are you en route to Elm and Hourson to that store?
300 En route to the hospital.
Then check Fritz's testimony & the Sims/Boyd report: Fritz testified, falsely (as you see, above), that he was with Sims & Boyd in the same car to Parkland. He was in a different car, supposedly en route to Parkland, while Sims & Boyd were already
So him saying he was going to the hospital means he didn`t go to the hospital?Him saying he went to the hospital is like him saying, as he did, that he went to Parkland in the same car as Boyd & Sims. The radio logs prove he did not.
If he lied about that, you're going to believe he didn't lie about going to Parkland at all? You have to admit that he lied about how he got there, if he did. Why would he lie, in other words, about one thing and not the other? We have only his wordthat he was "en route"... somewhere.
dcw
I think it happened pretty immediately, upon discovery. For instance, Haygood, who originally said he saw the shells with the boxes, forgot all about shells for the HSCA. He remembered inconsequential things, though.
Two of them probably were doing that when the "Powell Photo" was taken.Not *that* immediately. I think there had to be *some* basis provided for searchers seeing shells in situ, & other, phony sighters were then enlisted, like Haygood. After all, he stole, with Henslee's help, (LL) Hill's 12:37 transmissions...
dcw
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 11:51:25 AM UTC-7, John Corbett wrote:and the figures in the street just below. Recently, however, I realized that the figure in the window need not be identified photographically. The figure is *there*--that's all that's needed. That and the time he was there. He can be identified by a sort
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:39:46 PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:07:30 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:15:52 AM UTC-7, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 4:02:29 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
Mooney's holler--the Rosetta stone for conspiracy
(I had a complaint here recently about over-lengthy posts, so I'll have to make this short and sweet. I aim to please.)
Both sides want to see proof that there was a conspiracy in Dealey Plaza, in 1963. Here it is, direct and brutal, though this post cannot stay s&s *and* identify the depository shooter.
I have long been curious about one photo in "Pictures of the Pain", page 519, taken at "approximately 1:00", from half a block away, and across Houston. Too far away, for identification purposes, both from the figure in the window in question
the 6th-floor "nest". But Crime Lab Det. Studebaker went along with Sawyer: He said that the remains "ought to be" in his pictures, taken on the 6th floor, but they were not. (v7p147) The 6th-floor advocates--caught between Sawyer and Studebaker. TheTime: a) "I saw the expended shells... I leaned out the window... I hollered... It was approaching 1 o'clock"--Deputy Sheriff Luke Mooney". (v3p284-5)
b) At 12:58 or 12:59, DPD Sgt. G.V. Harkness radioed for the Crime Lab people to come to the depository. At 12:59, the dispatcher radioed that they were enroute. (CE 1974 p41)
c) Crime Lab's Lt. Day testified, "Shortly before 1 o'clock, I received a call from the police dispatcher to go to 411 Elm St. I went out of my office almost straight up 1 o'clock." (v4p249)
Location: a) "On the 3rd floor of this book company down here, we found empty rifle hulls, and it looked like the man had been here for some time"--Insp. J.H. Sawyer. (DPD radio, CE 1974 p176)
b) "Police found the remains of fried chicken and paper on the fifth floor. Apparently, the person had been there quite a while."--Insp. Sawyer, Stockton Record (AP), 11/22/63 p8. So, for Sawyer, "3rd floor" down translated as "5th floor" up.
c) Sheriff's deputies, upstairs, were torn between 5th floor (Faulkner, Wiseman) and 6th floor (Mooney, McCurley, Weatherford). The 6th-floor advocates tried to buttress their case by saying that they saw Sawyer's 5th-floor chicken remains in
he had found some spent cartridge cases. (Decker Exhibit 5323 p531, 11/23/63)Finally, a deputy downstairs and outside completes my triangulation. Chief Criminal Deputy Allen Sweatt reported, "While I was still at the front of the building, Dep. Sheriff Luke Mooney stuck his head out of the 5th floor window and stated
At about 12:58, then, Mooney stuck his head out of the SE corner window, on the 5th floor, and reported finding the spent shells. And there's the picture of him doing just that, on page 519 of Trask. And there's your 5th-floor-HQ conspiracy.
You've been a great audience, thank you!
He wasn`t, he went to Parkland.There's evidence of something besides a human figure in the 5th-floor "nest" in the Weaver Polaroid. There are white somethings all along the bottom of the pic.dcwEven though there was a black man firing a rifle on the 5th floor, I think Mooney discovered the 6th floor "sniper's nest." There's no evidence of piled up boxes in the photography on the 5th floor.
And certainly it would have been part of the plan to immediately pick up the expended hulls on the 5th floor.Since Fritz was up there early,
I think it happened pretty immediately, upon discovery. For instance, Haygood, who originally said he saw the shells with the boxes, forgot all about shells for the HSCA. He remembered inconsequential things, though.
Two of them probably were doing that when the "Powell Photo" was taken.Not *that* immediately. I think there had to be *some* basis provided for searchers seeing shells in situ, & other, phony sighters were then enlisted, like Haygood. After all, he stole, with Henslee's help, (LL) Hill's 12:37 transmissions...
If somebody wanted to know what a gish gallop is, all they would have to do is read one of Don'sI have to take it back--you're a *lousy* audience. Notice how John Robot generalizes re how my posts are impossible to follow.
posts. They are the essence of what a gish gallop is. The more current vernacular is "word salad".
Whatever term is applied to them, his posts are almost impossible to follow. It's like trying to
make sense of a Jackson Pollock painting. He just throws a bunch of shit on the wall and then
tries to tell us what it means. I gave up long ago trying to follow his goofy reasoning. I'd get
migraines from trying. It's amazing how many illogical conclusions a man can pack into one
post of about a half dozen paragraphs. Whoever said you can't put ten pounds of shit in a five
pound bag never read one of Don's posts.
Notice also how he does not give ONE instance of that.
Perhaps he's still smarting from when Hank had to help him out to get the connection between Commission testimony and references therein to CE photos.
He took the words in Bob Jackson's testimony at face value, without bothering to check what Jackson meant by "halfway" (page 159). That made Jackson's testimony, for Mr. Robot, "impossible to follow"! I think he needs Hank's help again, poor boy...
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 9:38:52 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:question and the figures in the street just below. Recently, however, I realized that the figure in the window need not be identified photographically. The figure is *there*--that's all that's needed. That and the time he was there. He can be identified
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 11:51:25 AM UTC-7, John Corbett wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:39:46 PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:07:30 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:15:52 AM UTC-7, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 4:02:29 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
Mooney's holler--the Rosetta stone for conspiracy
(I had a complaint here recently about over-lengthy posts, so I'll have to make this short and sweet. I aim to please.)
Both sides want to see proof that there was a conspiracy in Dealey Plaza, in 1963. Here it is, direct and brutal, though this post cannot stay s&s *and* identify the depository shooter.
I have long been curious about one photo in "Pictures of the Pain", page 519, taken at "approximately 1:00", from half a block away, and across Houston. Too far away, for identification purposes, both from the figure in the window in
up.Time: a) "I saw the expended shells... I leaned out the window... I hollered... It was approaching 1 o'clock"--Deputy Sheriff Luke Mooney". (v3p284-5)
b) At 12:58 or 12:59, DPD Sgt. G.V. Harkness radioed for the Crime Lab people to come to the depository. At 12:59, the dispatcher radioed that they were enroute. (CE 1974 p41)
c) Crime Lab's Lt. Day testified, "Shortly before 1 o'clock, I received a call from the police dispatcher to go to 411 Elm St. I went out of my office almost straight up 1 o'clock." (v4p249)
Location: a) "On the 3rd floor of this book company down here, we found empty rifle hulls, and it looked like the man had been here for some time"--Insp. J.H. Sawyer. (DPD radio, CE 1974 p176)
b) "Police found the remains of fried chicken and paper on the fifth floor. Apparently, the person had been there quite a while."--Insp. Sawyer, Stockton Record (AP), 11/22/63 p8. So, for Sawyer, "3rd floor" down translated as "5th floor"
in the 6th-floor "nest". But Crime Lab Det. Studebaker went along with Sawyer: He said that the remains "ought to be" in his pictures, taken on the 6th floor, but they were not. (v7p147) The 6th-floor advocates--caught between Sawyer and Studebaker. Thec) Sheriff's deputies, upstairs, were torn between 5th floor (Faulkner, Wiseman) and 6th floor (Mooney, McCurley, Weatherford). The 6th-floor advocates tried to buttress their case by saying that they saw Sawyer's 5th-floor chicken remains
stated he had found some spent cartridge cases. (Decker Exhibit 5323 p531, 11/23/63)Finally, a deputy downstairs and outside completes my triangulation. Chief Criminal Deputy Allen Sweatt reported, "While I was still at the front of the building, Dep. Sheriff Luke Mooney stuck his head out of the 5th floor window and
At about 12:58, then, Mooney stuck his head out of the SE corner window, on the 5th floor, and reported finding the spent shells. And there's the picture of him doing just that, on page 519 of Trask. And there's your 5th-floor-HQ conspiracy.
You've been a great audience, thank you!
He wasn`t, he went to Parkland.There's evidence of something besides a human figure in the 5th-floor "nest" in the Weaver Polaroid. There are white somethings all along the bottom of the pic.dcwEven though there was a black man firing a rifle on the 5th floor, I think Mooney discovered the 6th floor "sniper's nest." There's no evidence of piled up boxes in the photography on the 5th floor.
And certainly it would have been part of the plan to immediately pick up the expended hulls on the 5th floor.Since Fritz was up there early,
I think it happened pretty immediately, upon discovery. For instance, Haygood, who originally said he saw the shells with the boxes, forgot all about shells for the HSCA. He remembered inconsequential things, though.
Two of them probably were doing that when the "Powell Photo" was taken.Not *that* immediately. I think there had to be *some* basis provided for searchers seeing shells in situ, & other, phony sighters were then enlisted, like Haygood. After all, he stole, with Henslee's help, (LL) Hill's 12:37 transmissions...
Generally, they are.If somebody wanted to know what a gish gallop is, all they would have to do is read one of Don'sI have to take it back--you're a *lousy* audience. Notice how John Robot generalizes re how my posts are impossible to follow.
posts. They are the essence of what a gish gallop is. The more current vernacular is "word salad".
Whatever term is applied to them, his posts are almost impossible to follow. It's like trying to
make sense of a Jackson Pollock painting. He just throws a bunch of shit on the wall and then
tries to tell us what it means. I gave up long ago trying to follow his goofy reasoning. I'd get
migraines from trying. It's amazing how many illogical conclusions a man can pack into one
post of about a half dozen paragraphs. Whoever said you can't put ten pounds of shit in a five
pound bag never read one of Don's posts.
Notice also how he does not give ONE instance of that.I don't need to. You provide plenty.
Perhaps he's still smarting from when Hank had to help him out to get the connection between Commission testimony and references therein to CE photos.HUH???
He took the words in Bob Jackson's testimony at face value, without bothering to check what Jackson meant by "halfway" (page 159). That made Jackson's testimony, for Mr. Robot, "impossible to follow"! I think he needs Hank's help again, poor boy...
Another word salad.
Is Kamala your ghost writer?
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 9:39:46 AM UTC-7, Bud wrote:and the figures in the street just below. Recently, however, I realized that the figure in the window need not be identified photographically. The figure is *there*--that's all that's needed. That and the time he was there. He can be identified by a sort
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:07:30 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:15:52 AM UTC-7, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 4:02:29 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
Mooney's holler--the Rosetta stone for conspiracy
(I had a complaint here recently about over-lengthy posts, so I'll have to make this short and sweet. I aim to please.)
Both sides want to see proof that there was a conspiracy in Dealey Plaza, in 1963. Here it is, direct and brutal, though this post cannot stay s&s *and* identify the depository shooter.
I have long been curious about one photo in "Pictures of the Pain", page 519, taken at "approximately 1:00", from half a block away, and across Houston. Too far away, for identification purposes, both from the figure in the window in question
the 6th-floor "nest". But Crime Lab Det. Studebaker went along with Sawyer: He said that the remains "ought to be" in his pictures, taken on the 6th floor, but they were not. (v7p147) The 6th-floor advocates--caught between Sawyer and Studebaker. TheTime: a) "I saw the expended shells... I leaned out the window... I hollered... It was approaching 1 o'clock"--Deputy Sheriff Luke Mooney". (v3p284-5)
b) At 12:58 or 12:59, DPD Sgt. G.V. Harkness radioed for the Crime Lab people to come to the depository. At 12:59, the dispatcher radioed that they were enroute. (CE 1974 p41)
c) Crime Lab's Lt. Day testified, "Shortly before 1 o'clock, I received a call from the police dispatcher to go to 411 Elm St. I went out of my office almost straight up 1 o'clock." (v4p249)
Location: a) "On the 3rd floor of this book company down here, we found empty rifle hulls, and it looked like the man had been here for some time"--Insp. J.H. Sawyer. (DPD radio, CE 1974 p176)
b) "Police found the remains of fried chicken and paper on the fifth floor. Apparently, the person had been there quite a while."--Insp. Sawyer, Stockton Record (AP), 11/22/63 p8. So, for Sawyer, "3rd floor" down translated as "5th floor" up.
c) Sheriff's deputies, upstairs, were torn between 5th floor (Faulkner, Wiseman) and 6th floor (Mooney, McCurley, Weatherford). The 6th-floor advocates tried to buttress their case by saying that they saw Sawyer's 5th-floor chicken remains in
had found some spent cartridge cases. (Decker Exhibit 5323 p531, 11/23/63)Finally, a deputy downstairs and outside completes my triangulation. Chief Criminal Deputy Allen Sweatt reported, "While I was still at the front of the building, Dep. Sheriff Luke Mooney stuck his head out of the 5th floor window and stated he
there. Sims & Boyd went to Parkland, Fritz did not.At about 12:58, then, Mooney stuck his head out of the SE corner window, on the 5th floor, and reported finding the spent shells. And there's the picture of him doing just that, on page 519 of Trask. And there's your 5th-floor-HQ conspiracy.
You've been a great audience, thank you!
No, he didn't. Check the radio log transcriptions:He wasn`t, he went to Parkland.There's evidence of something besides a human figure in the 5th-floor "nest" in the Weaver Polaroid. There are white somethings all along the bottom of the pic.dcwEven though there was a black man firing a rifle on the 5th floor, I think Mooney discovered the 6th floor "sniper's nest." There's no evidence of piled up boxes in the photography on the 5th floor.
And certainly it would have been part of the plan to immediately pick up the expended hulls on the 5th floor.Since Fritz was up there early,
303 (Dets. R. M. Sims & E. L. Boyd) What hospital did the President go to? Dispatcher Parkland Hospital
Dispatcher 303, where are you?
303 (Dets. R. M. Sims & E. L. Boyd) Parkland Hospital
300 (Capt. John Will Fritz) 300, en route
Dispatcher 300, are you en route to Elm and Hourson to that store?
300 En route to the hospital.
Then check Fritz's testimony & the Sims/Boyd report: Fritz testified, falsely (as you see, above), that he was with Sims & Boyd in the same car to Parkland. He was in a different car, supposedly en route to Parkland, while Sims & Boyd were already
dcw
I think it happened pretty immediately, upon discovery. For instance, Haygood, who originally said he saw the shells with the boxes, forgot all about shells for the HSCA. He remembered inconsequential things, though.
Two of them probably were doing that when the "Powell Photo" was taken. Not *that* immediately. I think there had to be *some* basis provided for searchers seeing shells in situ, & other, phony sighters were then enlisted, like Haygood. After all, he stole, with Henslee's help, (LL) Hill's 12:37 transmissions...
dcw
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 9:39:46 AM UTC-7, Bud wrote:and the figures in the street just below. Recently, however, I realized that the figure in the window need not be identified photographically. The figure is *there*--that's all that's needed. That and the time he was there. He can be identified by a sort
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:07:30 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:15:52 AM UTC-7, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 4:02:29 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
Mooney's holler--the Rosetta stone for conspiracy
(I had a complaint here recently about over-lengthy posts, so I'll have to make this short and sweet. I aim to please.)
Both sides want to see proof that there was a conspiracy in Dealey Plaza, in 1963. Here it is, direct and brutal, though this post cannot stay s&s *and* identify the depository shooter.
I have long been curious about one photo in "Pictures of the Pain", page 519, taken at "approximately 1:00", from half a block away, and across Houston. Too far away, for identification purposes, both from the figure in the window in question
the 6th-floor "nest". But Crime Lab Det. Studebaker went along with Sawyer: He said that the remains "ought to be" in his pictures, taken on the 6th floor, but they were not. (v7p147) The 6th-floor advocates--caught between Sawyer and Studebaker. TheTime: a) "I saw the expended shells... I leaned out the window... I hollered... It was approaching 1 o'clock"--Deputy Sheriff Luke Mooney". (v3p284-5)
b) At 12:58 or 12:59, DPD Sgt. G.V. Harkness radioed for the Crime Lab people to come to the depository. At 12:59, the dispatcher radioed that they were enroute. (CE 1974 p41)
c) Crime Lab's Lt. Day testified, "Shortly before 1 o'clock, I received a call from the police dispatcher to go to 411 Elm St. I went out of my office almost straight up 1 o'clock." (v4p249)
Location: a) "On the 3rd floor of this book company down here, we found empty rifle hulls, and it looked like the man had been here for some time"--Insp. J.H. Sawyer. (DPD radio, CE 1974 p176)
b) "Police found the remains of fried chicken and paper on the fifth floor. Apparently, the person had been there quite a while."--Insp. Sawyer, Stockton Record (AP), 11/22/63 p8. So, for Sawyer, "3rd floor" down translated as "5th floor" up.
c) Sheriff's deputies, upstairs, were torn between 5th floor (Faulkner, Wiseman) and 6th floor (Mooney, McCurley, Weatherford). The 6th-floor advocates tried to buttress their case by saying that they saw Sawyer's 5th-floor chicken remains in
had found some spent cartridge cases. (Decker Exhibit 5323 p531, 11/23/63)Finally, a deputy downstairs and outside completes my triangulation. Chief Criminal Deputy Allen Sweatt reported, "While I was still at the front of the building, Dep. Sheriff Luke Mooney stuck his head out of the 5th floor window and stated he
there. Sims & Boyd went to Parkland, Fritz did not.At about 12:58, then, Mooney stuck his head out of the SE corner window, on the 5th floor, and reported finding the spent shells. And there's the picture of him doing just that, on page 519 of Trask. And there's your 5th-floor-HQ conspiracy.
You've been a great audience, thank you!
No, he didn't. Check the radio log transcriptions:He wasn`t, he went to Parkland.There's evidence of something besides a human figure in the 5th-floor "nest" in the Weaver Polaroid. There are white somethings all along the bottom of the pic.dcwEven though there was a black man firing a rifle on the 5th floor, I think Mooney discovered the 6th floor "sniper's nest." There's no evidence of piled up boxes in the photography on the 5th floor.
And certainly it would have been part of the plan to immediately pick up the expended hulls on the 5th floor.Since Fritz was up there early,
303 (Dets. R. M. Sims & E. L. Boyd) What hospital did the President go to? Dispatcher Parkland Hospital
Dispatcher 303, where are you?
303 (Dets. R. M. Sims & E. L. Boyd) Parkland Hospital
300 (Capt. John Will Fritz) 300, en route
Dispatcher 300, are you en route to Elm and Hourson to that store?
300 En route to the hospital.
Then check Fritz's testimony & the Sims/Boyd report: Fritz testified, falsely (as you see, above), that he was with Sims & Boyd in the same car to Parkland. He was in a different car, supposedly en route to Parkland, while Sims & Boyd were already
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 9:38:52 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:question and the figures in the street just below. Recently, however, I realized that the figure in the window need not be identified photographically. The figure is *there*--that's all that's needed. That and the time he was there. He can be identified
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 11:51:25 AM UTC-7, John Corbett wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:39:46 PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:07:30 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:15:52 AM UTC-7, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 4:02:29 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
Mooney's holler--the Rosetta stone for conspiracy
(I had a complaint here recently about over-lengthy posts, so I'll have to make this short and sweet. I aim to please.)
Both sides want to see proof that there was a conspiracy in Dealey Plaza, in 1963. Here it is, direct and brutal, though this post cannot stay s&s *and* identify the depository shooter.
I have long been curious about one photo in "Pictures of the Pain", page 519, taken at "approximately 1:00", from half a block away, and across Houston. Too far away, for identification purposes, both from the figure in the window in
up.Time: a) "I saw the expended shells... I leaned out the window... I hollered... It was approaching 1 o'clock"--Deputy Sheriff Luke Mooney". (v3p284-5)
b) At 12:58 or 12:59, DPD Sgt. G.V. Harkness radioed for the Crime Lab people to come to the depository. At 12:59, the dispatcher radioed that they were enroute. (CE 1974 p41)
c) Crime Lab's Lt. Day testified, "Shortly before 1 o'clock, I received a call from the police dispatcher to go to 411 Elm St. I went out of my office almost straight up 1 o'clock." (v4p249)
Location: a) "On the 3rd floor of this book company down here, we found empty rifle hulls, and it looked like the man had been here for some time"--Insp. J.H. Sawyer. (DPD radio, CE 1974 p176)
b) "Police found the remains of fried chicken and paper on the fifth floor. Apparently, the person had been there quite a while."--Insp. Sawyer, Stockton Record (AP), 11/22/63 p8. So, for Sawyer, "3rd floor" down translated as "5th floor"
in the 6th-floor "nest". But Crime Lab Det. Studebaker went along with Sawyer: He said that the remains "ought to be" in his pictures, taken on the 6th floor, but they were not. (v7p147) The 6th-floor advocates--caught between Sawyer and Studebaker. Thec) Sheriff's deputies, upstairs, were torn between 5th floor (Faulkner, Wiseman) and 6th floor (Mooney, McCurley, Weatherford). The 6th-floor advocates tried to buttress their case by saying that they saw Sawyer's 5th-floor chicken remains
stated he had found some spent cartridge cases. (Decker Exhibit 5323 p531, 11/23/63)Finally, a deputy downstairs and outside completes my triangulation. Chief Criminal Deputy Allen Sweatt reported, "While I was still at the front of the building, Dep. Sheriff Luke Mooney stuck his head out of the 5th floor window and
At about 12:58, then, Mooney stuck his head out of the SE corner window, on the 5th floor, and reported finding the spent shells. And there's the picture of him doing just that, on page 519 of Trask. And there's your 5th-floor-HQ conspiracy.
You've been a great audience, thank you!
He wasn`t, he went to Parkland.There's evidence of something besides a human figure in the 5th-floor "nest" in the Weaver Polaroid. There are white somethings all along the bottom of the pic.dcwEven though there was a black man firing a rifle on the 5th floor, I think Mooney discovered the 6th floor "sniper's nest." There's no evidence of piled up boxes in the photography on the 5th floor.
And certainly it would have been part of the plan to immediately pick up the expended hulls on the 5th floor.Since Fritz was up there early,
I think it happened pretty immediately, upon discovery. For instance, Haygood, who originally said he saw the shells with the boxes, forgot all about shells for the HSCA. He remembered inconsequential things, though.
Two of them probably were doing that when the "Powell Photo" was taken.Not *that* immediately. I think there had to be *some* basis provided for searchers seeing shells in situ, & other, phony sighters were then enlisted, like Haygood. After all, he stole, with Henslee's help, (LL) Hill's 12:37 transmissions...
I`ve never been able to follow them. I don`t even try any more, I still haven`t read your first post in this thread, I don`t bother because your reasoning is so tortured I can`t follow it.If somebody wanted to know what a gish gallop is, all they would have to do is read one of Don'sI have to take it back--you're a *lousy* audience. Notice how John Robot generalizes re how my posts are impossible to follow.
posts. They are the essence of what a gish gallop is. The more current vernacular is "word salad".
Whatever term is applied to them, his posts are almost impossible to follow. It's like trying to
make sense of a Jackson Pollock painting. He just throws a bunch of shit on the wall and then
tries to tell us what it means. I gave up long ago trying to follow his goofy reasoning. I'd get
migraines from trying. It's amazing how many illogical conclusions a man can pack into one
post of about a half dozen paragraphs. Whoever said you can't put ten pounds of shit in a five
pound bag never read one of Don's posts.
at face value, without bothering to check what Jackson meant by "halfway" (page 159). That made Jackson's testimony, for Mr. Robot, "impossible to follow"! I think he needs Hank's help again, poor boy...Notice also how he does not give ONE instance of that. Perhaps he's still smarting from when Hank had to help him out to get the connection between Commission testimony and references therein to CE photos. He took the words in Bob Jackson's testimony
dcw
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 9:26:20 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:question and the figures in the street just below. Recently, however, I realized that the figure in the window need not be identified photographically. The figure is *there*--that's all that's needed. That and the time he was there. He can be identified
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 6:21:34 PM UTC-7, Bud wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 7:16:14 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 9:39:46 AM UTC-7, Bud wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:07:30 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:15:52 AM UTC-7, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 4:02:29 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
Mooney's holler--the Rosetta stone for conspiracy
(I had a complaint here recently about over-lengthy posts, so I'll have to make this short and sweet. I aim to please.)
Both sides want to see proof that there was a conspiracy in Dealey Plaza, in 1963. Here it is, direct and brutal, though this post cannot stay s&s *and* identify the depository shooter.
I have long been curious about one photo in "Pictures of the Pain", page 519, taken at "approximately 1:00", from half a block away, and across Houston. Too far away, for identification purposes, both from the figure in the window in
up.Time: a) "I saw the expended shells... I leaned out the window... I hollered... It was approaching 1 o'clock"--Deputy Sheriff Luke Mooney". (v3p284-5)
b) At 12:58 or 12:59, DPD Sgt. G.V. Harkness radioed for the Crime Lab people to come to the depository. At 12:59, the dispatcher radioed that they were enroute. (CE 1974 p41)
c) Crime Lab's Lt. Day testified, "Shortly before 1 o'clock, I received a call from the police dispatcher to go to 411 Elm St. I went out of my office almost straight up 1 o'clock." (v4p249)
Location: a) "On the 3rd floor of this book company down here, we found empty rifle hulls, and it looked like the man had been here for some time"--Insp. J.H. Sawyer. (DPD radio, CE 1974 p176)
b) "Police found the remains of fried chicken and paper on the fifth floor. Apparently, the person had been there quite a while."--Insp. Sawyer, Stockton Record (AP), 11/22/63 p8. So, for Sawyer, "3rd floor" down translated as "5th floor"
remains in the 6th-floor "nest". But Crime Lab Det. Studebaker went along with Sawyer: He said that the remains "ought to be" in his pictures, taken on the 6th floor, but they were not. (v7p147) The 6th-floor advocates--caught between Sawyer andc) Sheriff's deputies, upstairs, were torn between 5th floor (Faulkner, Wiseman) and 6th floor (Mooney, McCurley, Weatherford). The 6th-floor advocates tried to buttress their case by saying that they saw Sawyer's 5th-floor chicken
stated he had found some spent cartridge cases. (Decker Exhibit 5323 p531, 11/23/63)Finally, a deputy downstairs and outside completes my triangulation. Chief Criminal Deputy Allen Sweatt reported, "While I was still at the front of the building, Dep. Sheriff Luke Mooney stuck his head out of the 5th floor window and
conspiracy.At about 12:58, then, Mooney stuck his head out of the SE corner window, on the 5th floor, and reported finding the spent shells. And there's the picture of him doing just that, on page 519 of Trask. And there's your 5th-floor-HQ
already there. Sims & Boyd went to Parkland, Fritz did not.You've been a great audience, thank you!
No, he didn't. Check the radio log transcriptions:He wasn`t, he went to Parkland.There's evidence of something besides a human figure in the 5th-floor "nest" in the Weaver Polaroid. There are white somethings all along the bottom of the pic.dcwEven though there was a black man firing a rifle on the 5th floor, I think Mooney discovered the 6th floor "sniper's nest." There's no evidence of piled up boxes in the photography on the 5th floor.
And certainly it would have been part of the plan to immediately pick up the expended hulls on the 5th floor.Since Fritz was up there early,
303 (Dets. R. M. Sims & E. L. Boyd) What hospital did the President go to?
Dispatcher Parkland Hospital
Dispatcher 303, where are you?
303 (Dets. R. M. Sims & E. L. Boyd) Parkland Hospital
300 (Capt. John Will Fritz) 300, en route
Dispatcher 300, are you en route to Elm and Hourson to that store?
300 En route to the hospital.
Then check Fritz's testimony & the Sims/Boyd report: Fritz testified, falsely (as you see, above), that he was with Sims & Boyd in the same car to Parkland. He was in a different car, supposedly en route to Parkland, while Sims & Boyd were
So the radio log says he went to Parkland.So him saying he was going to the hospital means he didn`t go to the hospital?Him saying he went to the hospital is like him saying, as he did, that he went to Parkland in the same car as Boyd & Sims. The radio logs prove he did not.
that he was "en route"... somewhere.If he lied about that, you're going to believe he didn't lie about going to Parkland at all? You have to admit that he lied about how he got there, if he did. Why would he lie, in other words, about one thing and not the other? We have only his word
Sims or Boyd may have misheard or misunderstood the dispatch
dcw
I think it happened pretty immediately, upon discovery. For instance, Haygood, who originally said he saw the shells with the boxes, forgot all about shells for the HSCA. He remembered inconsequential things, though.
Two of them probably were doing that when the "Powell Photo" was taken.Not *that* immediately. I think there had to be *some* basis provided for searchers seeing shells in situ, & other, phony sighters were then enlisted, like Haygood. After all, he stole, with Henslee's help, (LL) Hill's 12:37 transmissions...
dcw
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 7:16:14 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:and the figures in the street just below. Recently, however, I realized that the figure in the window need not be identified photographically. The figure is *there*--that's all that's needed. That and the time he was there. He can be identified by a sort
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 9:39:46 AM UTC-7, Bud wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:07:30 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:15:52 AM UTC-7, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 4:02:29 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
Mooney's holler--the Rosetta stone for conspiracy
(I had a complaint here recently about over-lengthy posts, so I'll have to make this short and sweet. I aim to please.)
Both sides want to see proof that there was a conspiracy in Dealey Plaza, in 1963. Here it is, direct and brutal, though this post cannot stay s&s *and* identify the depository shooter.
I have long been curious about one photo in "Pictures of the Pain", page 519, taken at "approximately 1:00", from half a block away, and across Houston. Too far away, for identification purposes, both from the figure in the window in question
the 6th-floor "nest". But Crime Lab Det. Studebaker went along with Sawyer: He said that the remains "ought to be" in his pictures, taken on the 6th floor, but they were not. (v7p147) The 6th-floor advocates--caught between Sawyer and Studebaker. TheTime: a) "I saw the expended shells... I leaned out the window... I hollered... It was approaching 1 o'clock"--Deputy Sheriff Luke Mooney". (v3p284-5)
b) At 12:58 or 12:59, DPD Sgt. G.V. Harkness radioed for the Crime Lab people to come to the depository. At 12:59, the dispatcher radioed that they were enroute. (CE 1974 p41)
c) Crime Lab's Lt. Day testified, "Shortly before 1 o'clock, I received a call from the police dispatcher to go to 411 Elm St. I went out of my office almost straight up 1 o'clock." (v4p249)
Location: a) "On the 3rd floor of this book company down here, we found empty rifle hulls, and it looked like the man had been here for some time"--Insp. J.H. Sawyer. (DPD radio, CE 1974 p176)
b) "Police found the remains of fried chicken and paper on the fifth floor. Apparently, the person had been there quite a while."--Insp. Sawyer, Stockton Record (AP), 11/22/63 p8. So, for Sawyer, "3rd floor" down translated as "5th floor" up.
c) Sheriff's deputies, upstairs, were torn between 5th floor (Faulkner, Wiseman) and 6th floor (Mooney, McCurley, Weatherford). The 6th-floor advocates tried to buttress their case by saying that they saw Sawyer's 5th-floor chicken remains in
he had found some spent cartridge cases. (Decker Exhibit 5323 p531, 11/23/63)Finally, a deputy downstairs and outside completes my triangulation. Chief Criminal Deputy Allen Sweatt reported, "While I was still at the front of the building, Dep. Sheriff Luke Mooney stuck his head out of the 5th floor window and stated
there. Sims & Boyd went to Parkland, Fritz did not.At about 12:58, then, Mooney stuck his head out of the SE corner window, on the 5th floor, and reported finding the spent shells. And there's the picture of him doing just that, on page 519 of Trask. And there's your 5th-floor-HQ conspiracy.
You've been a great audience, thank you!
No, he didn't. Check the radio log transcriptions:He wasn`t, he went to Parkland.There's evidence of something besides a human figure in the 5th-floor "nest" in the Weaver Polaroid. There are white somethings all along the bottom of the pic.dcwEven though there was a black man firing a rifle on the 5th floor, I think Mooney discovered the 6th floor "sniper's nest." There's no evidence of piled up boxes in the photography on the 5th floor.
And certainly it would have been part of the plan to immediately pick up the expended hulls on the 5th floor.Since Fritz was up there early,
303 (Dets. R. M. Sims & E. L. Boyd) What hospital did the President go to? Dispatcher Parkland Hospital
Dispatcher 303, where are you?
303 (Dets. R. M. Sims & E. L. Boyd) Parkland Hospital
300 (Capt. John Will Fritz) 300, en route
Dispatcher 300, are you en route to Elm and Hourson to that store?
300 En route to the hospital.
Then check Fritz's testimony & the Sims/Boyd report: Fritz testified, falsely (as you see, above), that he was with Sims & Boyd in the same car to Parkland. He was in a different car, supposedly en route to Parkland, while Sims & Boyd were already
said that both Decker and Fritz rode to the TSBD in their car. But neither Fritz not Decker said that the other was in the same car. Decker clearly states that he was already present when Fritz arrived. The stories clearly are false, and why would theydcw
I think it happened pretty immediately, upon discovery. For instance, Haygood, who originally said he saw the shells with the boxes, forgot all about shells for the HSCA. He remembered inconsequential things, though.
Two of them probably were doing that when the "Powell Photo" was taken.Not *that* immediately. I think there had to be *some* basis provided for searchers seeing shells in situ, & other, phony sighters were then enlisted, like Haygood. After all, he stole, with Henslee's help, (LL) Hill's 12:37 transmissions...
Also relevant to this hospital stuff are the stories of how Fritz and Decker supposedly went from the hospital to the TSBD. Decker said he rode back with two homicide detectives. Fritz said that he, Fritz, rode back with Sims and Boyd. Sims and Boyddcw
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 9:38:52 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:question and the figures in the street just below. Recently, however, I realized that the figure in the window need not be identified photographically. The figure is *there*--that's all that's needed. That and the time he was there. He can be identified
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 11:51:25 AM UTC-7, John Corbett wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:39:46 PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:07:30 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:15:52 AM UTC-7, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 4:02:29 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
Mooney's holler--the Rosetta stone for conspiracy
(I had a complaint here recently about over-lengthy posts, so I'll have to make this short and sweet. I aim to please.)
Both sides want to see proof that there was a conspiracy in Dealey Plaza, in 1963. Here it is, direct and brutal, though this post cannot stay s&s *and* identify the depository shooter.
I have long been curious about one photo in "Pictures of the Pain", page 519, taken at "approximately 1:00", from half a block away, and across Houston. Too far away, for identification purposes, both from the figure in the window in
up.Time: a) "I saw the expended shells... I leaned out the window... I hollered... It was approaching 1 o'clock"--Deputy Sheriff Luke Mooney". (v3p284-5)
b) At 12:58 or 12:59, DPD Sgt. G.V. Harkness radioed for the Crime Lab people to come to the depository. At 12:59, the dispatcher radioed that they were enroute. (CE 1974 p41)
c) Crime Lab's Lt. Day testified, "Shortly before 1 o'clock, I received a call from the police dispatcher to go to 411 Elm St. I went out of my office almost straight up 1 o'clock." (v4p249)
Location: a) "On the 3rd floor of this book company down here, we found empty rifle hulls, and it looked like the man had been here for some time"--Insp. J.H. Sawyer. (DPD radio, CE 1974 p176)
b) "Police found the remains of fried chicken and paper on the fifth floor. Apparently, the person had been there quite a while."--Insp. Sawyer, Stockton Record (AP), 11/22/63 p8. So, for Sawyer, "3rd floor" down translated as "5th floor"
in the 6th-floor "nest". But Crime Lab Det. Studebaker went along with Sawyer: He said that the remains "ought to be" in his pictures, taken on the 6th floor, but they were not. (v7p147) The 6th-floor advocates--caught between Sawyer and Studebaker. Thec) Sheriff's deputies, upstairs, were torn between 5th floor (Faulkner, Wiseman) and 6th floor (Mooney, McCurley, Weatherford). The 6th-floor advocates tried to buttress their case by saying that they saw Sawyer's 5th-floor chicken remains
stated he had found some spent cartridge cases. (Decker Exhibit 5323 p531, 11/23/63)Finally, a deputy downstairs and outside completes my triangulation. Chief Criminal Deputy Allen Sweatt reported, "While I was still at the front of the building, Dep. Sheriff Luke Mooney stuck his head out of the 5th floor window and
At about 12:58, then, Mooney stuck his head out of the SE corner window, on the 5th floor, and reported finding the spent shells. And there's the picture of him doing just that, on page 519 of Trask. And there's your 5th-floor-HQ conspiracy.
You've been a great audience, thank you!
He wasn`t, he went to Parkland.There's evidence of something besides a human figure in the 5th-floor "nest" in the Weaver Polaroid. There are white somethings all along the bottom of the pic.dcwEven though there was a black man firing a rifle on the 5th floor, I think Mooney discovered the 6th floor "sniper's nest." There's no evidence of piled up boxes in the photography on the 5th floor.
And certainly it would have been part of the plan to immediately pick up the expended hulls on the 5th floor.Since Fritz was up there early,
I think it happened pretty immediately, upon discovery. For instance, Haygood, who originally said he saw the shells with the boxes, forgot all about shells for the HSCA. He remembered inconsequential things, though.
Two of them probably were doing that when the "Powell Photo" was taken.Not *that* immediately. I think there had to be *some* basis provided for searchers seeing shells in situ, & other, phony sighters were then enlisted, like Haygood. After all, he stole, with Henslee's help, (LL) Hill's 12:37 transmissions...
Generally, they are.If somebody wanted to know what a gish gallop is, all they would have to do is read one of Don'sI have to take it back--you're a *lousy* audience. Notice how John Robot generalizes re how my posts are impossible to follow.
posts. They are the essence of what a gish gallop is. The more current vernacular is "word salad".
Whatever term is applied to them, his posts are almost impossible to follow. It's like trying to
make sense of a Jackson Pollock painting. He just throws a bunch of shit on the wall and then
tries to tell us what it means. I gave up long ago trying to follow his goofy reasoning. I'd get
migraines from trying. It's amazing how many illogical conclusions a man can pack into one
post of about a half dozen paragraphs. Whoever said you can't put ten pounds of shit in a five
pound bag never read one of Don's posts.
Notice also how he does not give ONE instance of that.I don't need to. You provide plenty.
Perhaps he's still smarting from when Hank had to help him out to get the connection between Commission testimony and references therein to CE photos.HUH???
He took the words in Bob Jackson's testimony at face value, without bothering to check what Jackson meant by "halfway" (page 159). That made Jackson's testimony, for Mr. Robot, "impossible to follow"! I think he needs Hank's help again, poor boy...
Another word salad.
Also relevant to this hospital stuff are the stories of how Fritz and Decker supposedly went from the hospital to the TSBD. Decker said he rode back with two homicide detectives. Fritz said that he, Fritz, rode back with Sims and Boyd. Sims and Boydsaid that both Decker and Fritz rode to the TSBD in their car. But neither Fritz not Decker said that the other was in the same car. Decker clearly states that he was already present when Fritz arrived. The stories clearly are false, and why would they
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 6:55:49 PM UTC-7, Bud wrote:question and the figures in the street just below. Recently, however, I realized that the figure in the window need not be identified photographically. The figure is *there*--that's all that's needed. That and the time he was there. He can be identified
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 9:26:20 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 6:21:34 PM UTC-7, Bud wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 7:16:14 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 9:39:46 AM UTC-7, Bud wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:07:30 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:15:52 AM UTC-7, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 4:02:29 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
Mooney's holler--the Rosetta stone for conspiracy
(I had a complaint here recently about over-lengthy posts, so I'll have to make this short and sweet. I aim to please.)
Both sides want to see proof that there was a conspiracy in Dealey Plaza, in 1963. Here it is, direct and brutal, though this post cannot stay s&s *and* identify the depository shooter.
I have long been curious about one photo in "Pictures of the Pain", page 519, taken at "approximately 1:00", from half a block away, and across Houston. Too far away, for identification purposes, both from the figure in the window in
floor" up.Time: a) "I saw the expended shells... I leaned out the window... I hollered... It was approaching 1 o'clock"--Deputy Sheriff Luke Mooney". (v3p284-5)
b) At 12:58 or 12:59, DPD Sgt. G.V. Harkness radioed for the Crime Lab people to come to the depository. At 12:59, the dispatcher radioed that they were enroute. (CE 1974 p41)
c) Crime Lab's Lt. Day testified, "Shortly before 1 o'clock, I received a call from the police dispatcher to go to 411 Elm St. I went out of my office almost straight up 1 o'clock." (v4p249)
Location: a) "On the 3rd floor of this book company down here, we found empty rifle hulls, and it looked like the man had been here for some time"--Insp. J.H. Sawyer. (DPD radio, CE 1974 p176)
b) "Police found the remains of fried chicken and paper on the fifth floor. Apparently, the person had been there quite a while."--Insp. Sawyer, Stockton Record (AP), 11/22/63 p8. So, for Sawyer, "3rd floor" down translated as "5th
remains in the 6th-floor "nest". But Crime Lab Det. Studebaker went along with Sawyer: He said that the remains "ought to be" in his pictures, taken on the 6th floor, but they were not. (v7p147) The 6th-floor advocates--caught between Sawyer andc) Sheriff's deputies, upstairs, were torn between 5th floor (Faulkner, Wiseman) and 6th floor (Mooney, McCurley, Weatherford). The 6th-floor advocates tried to buttress their case by saying that they saw Sawyer's 5th-floor chicken
stated he had found some spent cartridge cases. (Decker Exhibit 5323 p531, 11/23/63)Finally, a deputy downstairs and outside completes my triangulation. Chief Criminal Deputy Allen Sweatt reported, "While I was still at the front of the building, Dep. Sheriff Luke Mooney stuck his head out of the 5th floor window and
conspiracy.At about 12:58, then, Mooney stuck his head out of the SE corner window, on the 5th floor, and reported finding the spent shells. And there's the picture of him doing just that, on page 519 of Trask. And there's your 5th-floor-HQ
already there. Sims & Boyd went to Parkland, Fritz did not.You've been a great audience, thank you!
No, he didn't. Check the radio log transcriptions:He wasn`t, he went to Parkland.There's evidence of something besides a human figure in the 5th-floor "nest" in the Weaver Polaroid. There are white somethings all along the bottom of the pic.dcwEven though there was a black man firing a rifle on the 5th floor, I think Mooney discovered the 6th floor "sniper's nest." There's no evidence of piled up boxes in the photography on the 5th floor.
And certainly it would have been part of the plan to immediately pick up the expended hulls on the 5th floor.Since Fritz was up there early,
303 (Dets. R. M. Sims & E. L. Boyd) What hospital did the President go to?
Dispatcher Parkland Hospital
Dispatcher 303, where are you?
303 (Dets. R. M. Sims & E. L. Boyd) Parkland Hospital
300 (Capt. John Will Fritz) 300, en route
Dispatcher 300, are you en route to Elm and Hourson to that store? 300 En route to the hospital.
Then check Fritz's testimony & the Sims/Boyd report: Fritz testified, falsely (as you see, above), that he was with Sims & Boyd in the same car to Parkland. He was in a different car, supposedly en route to Parkland, while Sims & Boyd were
A lie. It says that HE says he is GOING to Parkland, not that he want. LN truth-bending time...So the radio log says he went to Parkland.So him saying he was going to the hospital means he didn`t go to the hospital?Him saying he went to the hospital is like him saying, as he did, that he went to Parkland in the same car as Boyd & Sims. The radio logs prove he did not.
He testified that he went to Parkland. Boyd testifies that Fritz went to Parkland. Sims testifies that Fritz went to Parkland.
They're his Homicide boys. What else are they going to say? Consider the source, Bud.
And to you this means he didn`t go to Parkland.that he was "en route"... somewhere.
If he lied about that, you're going to believe he didn't lie about going to Parkland at all? You have to admit that he lied about how he got there, if he did. Why would he lie, in other words, about one thing and not the other? We have only his word
Sims or Boyd may have misheard or misunderstood the dispatchSpeculation.
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 11:13:19 PM UTC-7, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:question and the figures in the street just below. Recently, however, I realized that the figure in the window need not be identified photographically. The figure is *there*--that's all that's needed. That and the time he was there. He can be identified
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 7:16:14 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 9:39:46 AM UTC-7, Bud wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:07:30 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:15:52 AM UTC-7, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 4:02:29 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
Mooney's holler--the Rosetta stone for conspiracy
(I had a complaint here recently about over-lengthy posts, so I'll have to make this short and sweet. I aim to please.)
Both sides want to see proof that there was a conspiracy in Dealey Plaza, in 1963. Here it is, direct and brutal, though this post cannot stay s&s *and* identify the depository shooter.
I have long been curious about one photo in "Pictures of the Pain", page 519, taken at "approximately 1:00", from half a block away, and across Houston. Too far away, for identification purposes, both from the figure in the window in
up.Time: a) "I saw the expended shells... I leaned out the window... I hollered... It was approaching 1 o'clock"--Deputy Sheriff Luke Mooney". (v3p284-5)
b) At 12:58 or 12:59, DPD Sgt. G.V. Harkness radioed for the Crime Lab people to come to the depository. At 12:59, the dispatcher radioed that they were enroute. (CE 1974 p41)
c) Crime Lab's Lt. Day testified, "Shortly before 1 o'clock, I received a call from the police dispatcher to go to 411 Elm St. I went out of my office almost straight up 1 o'clock." (v4p249)
Location: a) "On the 3rd floor of this book company down here, we found empty rifle hulls, and it looked like the man had been here for some time"--Insp. J.H. Sawyer. (DPD radio, CE 1974 p176)
b) "Police found the remains of fried chicken and paper on the fifth floor. Apparently, the person had been there quite a while."--Insp. Sawyer, Stockton Record (AP), 11/22/63 p8. So, for Sawyer, "3rd floor" down translated as "5th floor"
in the 6th-floor "nest". But Crime Lab Det. Studebaker went along with Sawyer: He said that the remains "ought to be" in his pictures, taken on the 6th floor, but they were not. (v7p147) The 6th-floor advocates--caught between Sawyer and Studebaker. Thec) Sheriff's deputies, upstairs, were torn between 5th floor (Faulkner, Wiseman) and 6th floor (Mooney, McCurley, Weatherford). The 6th-floor advocates tried to buttress their case by saying that they saw Sawyer's 5th-floor chicken remains
stated he had found some spent cartridge cases. (Decker Exhibit 5323 p531, 11/23/63)Finally, a deputy downstairs and outside completes my triangulation. Chief Criminal Deputy Allen Sweatt reported, "While I was still at the front of the building, Dep. Sheriff Luke Mooney stuck his head out of the 5th floor window and
At about 12:58, then, Mooney stuck his head out of the SE corner window, on the 5th floor, and reported finding the spent shells. And there's the picture of him doing just that, on page 519 of Trask. And there's your 5th-floor-HQ conspiracy.
there. Sims & Boyd went to Parkland, Fritz did not.You've been a great audience, thank you!
No, he didn't. Check the radio log transcriptions:He wasn`t, he went to Parkland.There's evidence of something besides a human figure in the 5th-floor "nest" in the Weaver Polaroid. There are white somethings all along the bottom of the pic.dcwEven though there was a black man firing a rifle on the 5th floor, I think Mooney discovered the 6th floor "sniper's nest." There's no evidence of piled up boxes in the photography on the 5th floor.
And certainly it would have been part of the plan to immediately pick up the expended hulls on the 5th floor.Since Fritz was up there early,
303 (Dets. R. M. Sims & E. L. Boyd) What hospital did the President go to?
Dispatcher Parkland Hospital
Dispatcher 303, where are you?
303 (Dets. R. M. Sims & E. L. Boyd) Parkland Hospital
300 (Capt. John Will Fritz) 300, en route
Dispatcher 300, are you en route to Elm and Hourson to that store?
300 En route to the hospital.
Then check Fritz's testimony & the Sims/Boyd report: Fritz testified, falsely (as you see, above), that he was with Sims & Boyd in the same car to Parkland. He was in a different car, supposedly en route to Parkland, while Sims & Boyd were already
said that both Decker and Fritz rode to the TSBD in their car. But neither Fritz not Decker said that the other was in the same car.dcw
I think it happened pretty immediately, upon discovery. For instance, Haygood, who originally said he saw the shells with the boxes, forgot all about shells for the HSCA. He remembered inconsequential things, though.
Two of them probably were doing that when the "Powell Photo" was taken.Not *that* immediately. I think there had to be *some* basis provided for searchers seeing shells in situ, & other, phony sighters were then enlisted, like Haygood. After all, he stole, with Henslee's help, (LL) Hill's 12:37 transmissions...
Also relevant to this hospital stuff are the stories of how Fritz and Decker supposedly went from the hospital to the TSBD. Decker said he rode back with two homicide detectives. Fritz said that he, Fritz, rode back with Sims and Boyd. Sims and Boyddcw
Decker clearly states that he was already present when Fritz arrived. The stories clearly are false, and why would they lie about how they got to the TSBD?
Excellent supporting points! Robot will have to pretend that he just doesn't understand...
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 7:17:45 PM UTC-7, John Corbett wrote:question and the figures in the street just below. Recently, however, I realized that the figure in the window need not be identified photographically. The figure is *there*--that's all that's needed. That and the time he was there. He can be identified
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 9:38:52 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 11:51:25 AM UTC-7, John Corbett wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:39:46 PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:07:30 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:15:52 AM UTC-7, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 4:02:29 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
Mooney's holler--the Rosetta stone for conspiracy
(I had a complaint here recently about over-lengthy posts, so I'll have to make this short and sweet. I aim to please.)
Both sides want to see proof that there was a conspiracy in Dealey Plaza, in 1963. Here it is, direct and brutal, though this post cannot stay s&s *and* identify the depository shooter.
I have long been curious about one photo in "Pictures of the Pain", page 519, taken at "approximately 1:00", from half a block away, and across Houston. Too far away, for identification purposes, both from the figure in the window in
up.Time: a) "I saw the expended shells... I leaned out the window... I hollered... It was approaching 1 o'clock"--Deputy Sheriff Luke Mooney". (v3p284-5)
b) At 12:58 or 12:59, DPD Sgt. G.V. Harkness radioed for the Crime Lab people to come to the depository. At 12:59, the dispatcher radioed that they were enroute. (CE 1974 p41)
c) Crime Lab's Lt. Day testified, "Shortly before 1 o'clock, I received a call from the police dispatcher to go to 411 Elm St. I went out of my office almost straight up 1 o'clock." (v4p249)
Location: a) "On the 3rd floor of this book company down here, we found empty rifle hulls, and it looked like the man had been here for some time"--Insp. J.H. Sawyer. (DPD radio, CE 1974 p176)
b) "Police found the remains of fried chicken and paper on the fifth floor. Apparently, the person had been there quite a while."--Insp. Sawyer, Stockton Record (AP), 11/22/63 p8. So, for Sawyer, "3rd floor" down translated as "5th floor"
remains in the 6th-floor "nest". But Crime Lab Det. Studebaker went along with Sawyer: He said that the remains "ought to be" in his pictures, taken on the 6th floor, but they were not. (v7p147) The 6th-floor advocates--caught between Sawyer andc) Sheriff's deputies, upstairs, were torn between 5th floor (Faulkner, Wiseman) and 6th floor (Mooney, McCurley, Weatherford). The 6th-floor advocates tried to buttress their case by saying that they saw Sawyer's 5th-floor chicken
stated he had found some spent cartridge cases. (Decker Exhibit 5323 p531, 11/23/63)Finally, a deputy downstairs and outside completes my triangulation. Chief Criminal Deputy Allen Sweatt reported, "While I was still at the front of the building, Dep. Sheriff Luke Mooney stuck his head out of the 5th floor window and
conspiracy.At about 12:58, then, Mooney stuck his head out of the SE corner window, on the 5th floor, and reported finding the spent shells. And there's the picture of him doing just that, on page 519 of Trask. And there's your 5th-floor-HQ
You've been a great audience, thank you!
He wasn`t, he went to Parkland.There's evidence of something besides a human figure in the 5th-floor "nest" in the Weaver Polaroid. There are white somethings all along the bottom of the pic.dcwEven though there was a black man firing a rifle on the 5th floor, I think Mooney discovered the 6th floor "sniper's nest." There's no evidence of piled up boxes in the photography on the 5th floor.
And certainly it would have been part of the plan to immediately pick up the expended hulls on the 5th floor.Since Fritz was up there early,
I think it happened pretty immediately, upon discovery. For instance, Haygood, who originally said he saw the shells with the boxes, forgot all about shells for the HSCA. He remembered inconsequential things, though.
Two of them probably were doing that when the "Powell Photo" was taken.Not *that* immediately. I think there had to be *some* basis provided for searchers seeing shells in situ, & other, phony sighters were then enlisted, like Haygood. After all, he stole, with Henslee's help, (LL) Hill's 12:37 transmissions...
Opinion masquerading as incisive comment.Generally, they are.If somebody wanted to know what a gish gallop is, all they would have to do is read one of Don'sI have to take it back--you're a *lousy* audience. Notice how John Robot generalizes re how my posts are impossible to follow.
posts. They are the essence of what a gish gallop is. The more current vernacular is "word salad".
Whatever term is applied to them, his posts are almost impossible to follow. It's like trying to
make sense of a Jackson Pollock painting. He just throws a bunch of shit on the wall and then
tries to tell us what it means. I gave up long ago trying to follow his goofy reasoning. I'd get
migraines from trying. It's amazing how many illogical conclusions a man can pack into one
post of about a half dozen paragraphs. Whoever said you can't put ten pounds of shit in a five
pound bag never read one of Don's posts.
Notice also how he does not give ONE instance of that.I don't need to. You provide plenty.
Are you truly ignorant or just pretending to be ignorant?Perhaps he's still smarting from when Hank had to help him out to get the connection between Commission testimony and references therein to CE photos.HUH???
He took the words in Bob Jackson's testimony at face value, without bothering to check what Jackson meant by "halfway" (page 159). That made Jackson's testimony, for Mr. Robot, "impossible to follow"! I think he needs Hank's help again, poor boy...
Another word salad.Yes, I know you'd like to forget the proof of your ignorance of Commission testimony/photo-evidence. It was an embarrassing day for you. Hank--you're little protegee needs you! Critter has no talent for argument, or reading...
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 7:00:40 PM UTC-7, Bud wrote:question and the figures in the street just below. Recently, however, I realized that the figure in the window need not be identified photographically. The figure is *there*--that's all that's needed. That and the time he was there. He can be identified
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 9:38:52 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 11:51:25 AM UTC-7, John Corbett wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:39:46 PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:07:30 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:15:52 AM UTC-7, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 4:02:29 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
Mooney's holler--the Rosetta stone for conspiracy
(I had a complaint here recently about over-lengthy posts, so I'll have to make this short and sweet. I aim to please.)
Both sides want to see proof that there was a conspiracy in Dealey Plaza, in 1963. Here it is, direct and brutal, though this post cannot stay s&s *and* identify the depository shooter.
I have long been curious about one photo in "Pictures of the Pain", page 519, taken at "approximately 1:00", from half a block away, and across Houston. Too far away, for identification purposes, both from the figure in the window in
up.Time: a) "I saw the expended shells... I leaned out the window... I hollered... It was approaching 1 o'clock"--Deputy Sheriff Luke Mooney". (v3p284-5)
b) At 12:58 or 12:59, DPD Sgt. G.V. Harkness radioed for the Crime Lab people to come to the depository. At 12:59, the dispatcher radioed that they were enroute. (CE 1974 p41)
c) Crime Lab's Lt. Day testified, "Shortly before 1 o'clock, I received a call from the police dispatcher to go to 411 Elm St. I went out of my office almost straight up 1 o'clock." (v4p249)
Location: a) "On the 3rd floor of this book company down here, we found empty rifle hulls, and it looked like the man had been here for some time"--Insp. J.H. Sawyer. (DPD radio, CE 1974 p176)
b) "Police found the remains of fried chicken and paper on the fifth floor. Apparently, the person had been there quite a while."--Insp. Sawyer, Stockton Record (AP), 11/22/63 p8. So, for Sawyer, "3rd floor" down translated as "5th floor"
remains in the 6th-floor "nest". But Crime Lab Det. Studebaker went along with Sawyer: He said that the remains "ought to be" in his pictures, taken on the 6th floor, but they were not. (v7p147) The 6th-floor advocates--caught between Sawyer andc) Sheriff's deputies, upstairs, were torn between 5th floor (Faulkner, Wiseman) and 6th floor (Mooney, McCurley, Weatherford). The 6th-floor advocates tried to buttress their case by saying that they saw Sawyer's 5th-floor chicken
stated he had found some spent cartridge cases. (Decker Exhibit 5323 p531, 11/23/63)Finally, a deputy downstairs and outside completes my triangulation. Chief Criminal Deputy Allen Sweatt reported, "While I was still at the front of the building, Dep. Sheriff Luke Mooney stuck his head out of the 5th floor window and
conspiracy.At about 12:58, then, Mooney stuck his head out of the SE corner window, on the 5th floor, and reported finding the spent shells. And there's the picture of him doing just that, on page 519 of Trask. And there's your 5th-floor-HQ
You've been a great audience, thank you!
He wasn`t, he went to Parkland.There's evidence of something besides a human figure in the 5th-floor "nest" in the Weaver Polaroid. There are white somethings all along the bottom of the pic.dcwEven though there was a black man firing a rifle on the 5th floor, I think Mooney discovered the 6th floor "sniper's nest." There's no evidence of piled up boxes in the photography on the 5th floor.
And certainly it would have been part of the plan to immediately pick up the expended hulls on the 5th floor.Since Fritz was up there early,
I think it happened pretty immediately, upon discovery. For instance, Haygood, who originally said he saw the shells with the boxes, forgot all about shells for the HSCA. He remembered inconsequential things, though.
Two of them probably were doing that when the "Powell Photo" was taken.Not *that* immediately. I think there had to be *some* basis provided for searchers seeing shells in situ, & other, phony sighters were then enlisted, like Haygood. After all, he stole, with Henslee's help, (LL) Hill's 12:37 transmissions...
It's just that it goes against your firmly-held beliefs.I`ve never been able to follow them. I don`t even try any more, I still haven`t read your first post in this thread, I don`t bother because your reasoning is so tortured I can`t follow it.If somebody wanted to know what a gish gallop is, all they would have to do is read one of Don'sI have to take it back--you're a *lousy* audience. Notice how John Robot generalizes re how my posts are impossible to follow.
posts. They are the essence of what a gish gallop is. The more current vernacular is "word salad".
Whatever term is applied to them, his posts are almost impossible to follow. It's like trying to
make sense of a Jackson Pollock painting. He just throws a bunch of shit on the wall and then
tries to tell us what it means. I gave up long ago trying to follow his goofy reasoning. I'd get
migraines from trying. It's amazing how many illogical conclusions a man can pack into one
post of about a half dozen paragraphs. Whoever said you can't put ten pounds of shit in a five
pound bag never read one of Don's posts.
testimony at face value, without bothering to check what Jackson meant by "halfway" (page 159). That made Jackson's testimony, for Mr. Robot, "impossible to follow"! I think he needs Hank's help again, poor boy...Notice also how he does not give ONE instance of that. Perhaps he's still smarting from when Hank had to help him out to get the connection between Commission testimony and references therein to CE photos. He took the words in Bob Jackson's
dcw
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 6:55:49 PM UTC-7, Bud wrote:question and the figures in the street just below. Recently, however, I realized that the figure in the window need not be identified photographically. The figure is *there*--that's all that's needed. That and the time he was there. He can be identified
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 9:26:20 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 6:21:34 PM UTC-7, Bud wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 7:16:14 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 9:39:46 AM UTC-7, Bud wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:07:30 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:15:52 AM UTC-7, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 4:02:29 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
Mooney's holler--the Rosetta stone for conspiracy
(I had a complaint here recently about over-lengthy posts, so I'll have to make this short and sweet. I aim to please.)
Both sides want to see proof that there was a conspiracy in Dealey Plaza, in 1963. Here it is, direct and brutal, though this post cannot stay s&s *and* identify the depository shooter.
I have long been curious about one photo in "Pictures of the Pain", page 519, taken at "approximately 1:00", from half a block away, and across Houston. Too far away, for identification purposes, both from the figure in the window in
floor" up.Time: a) "I saw the expended shells... I leaned out the window... I hollered... It was approaching 1 o'clock"--Deputy Sheriff Luke Mooney". (v3p284-5)
b) At 12:58 or 12:59, DPD Sgt. G.V. Harkness radioed for the Crime Lab people to come to the depository. At 12:59, the dispatcher radioed that they were enroute. (CE 1974 p41)
c) Crime Lab's Lt. Day testified, "Shortly before 1 o'clock, I received a call from the police dispatcher to go to 411 Elm St. I went out of my office almost straight up 1 o'clock." (v4p249)
Location: a) "On the 3rd floor of this book company down here, we found empty rifle hulls, and it looked like the man had been here for some time"--Insp. J.H. Sawyer. (DPD radio, CE 1974 p176)
b) "Police found the remains of fried chicken and paper on the fifth floor. Apparently, the person had been there quite a while."--Insp. Sawyer, Stockton Record (AP), 11/22/63 p8. So, for Sawyer, "3rd floor" down translated as "5th
remains in the 6th-floor "nest". But Crime Lab Det. Studebaker went along with Sawyer: He said that the remains "ought to be" in his pictures, taken on the 6th floor, but they were not. (v7p147) The 6th-floor advocates--caught between Sawyer andc) Sheriff's deputies, upstairs, were torn between 5th floor (Faulkner, Wiseman) and 6th floor (Mooney, McCurley, Weatherford). The 6th-floor advocates tried to buttress their case by saying that they saw Sawyer's 5th-floor chicken
stated he had found some spent cartridge cases. (Decker Exhibit 5323 p531, 11/23/63)Finally, a deputy downstairs and outside completes my triangulation. Chief Criminal Deputy Allen Sweatt reported, "While I was still at the front of the building, Dep. Sheriff Luke Mooney stuck his head out of the 5th floor window and
conspiracy.At about 12:58, then, Mooney stuck his head out of the SE corner window, on the 5th floor, and reported finding the spent shells. And there's the picture of him doing just that, on page 519 of Trask. And there's your 5th-floor-HQ
already there. Sims & Boyd went to Parkland, Fritz did not.You've been a great audience, thank you!
No, he didn't. Check the radio log transcriptions:He wasn`t, he went to Parkland.There's evidence of something besides a human figure in the 5th-floor "nest" in the Weaver Polaroid. There are white somethings all along the bottom of the pic.dcwEven though there was a black man firing a rifle on the 5th floor, I think Mooney discovered the 6th floor "sniper's nest." There's no evidence of piled up boxes in the photography on the 5th floor.
And certainly it would have been part of the plan to immediately pick up the expended hulls on the 5th floor.Since Fritz was up there early,
303 (Dets. R. M. Sims & E. L. Boyd) What hospital did the President go to?
Dispatcher Parkland Hospital
Dispatcher 303, where are you?
303 (Dets. R. M. Sims & E. L. Boyd) Parkland Hospital
300 (Capt. John Will Fritz) 300, en route
Dispatcher 300, are you en route to Elm and Hourson to that store? 300 En route to the hospital.
Then check Fritz's testimony & the Sims/Boyd report: Fritz testified, falsely (as you see, above), that he was with Sims & Boyd in the same car to Parkland. He was in a different car, supposedly en route to Parkland, while Sims & Boyd were
that he was "en route"... somewhere.A lie. It says that HE says he is GOING to Parkland, not that he want. LN truth-bending time...So the radio log says he went to Parkland.So him saying he was going to the hospital means he didn`t go to the hospital?Him saying he went to the hospital is like him saying, as he did, that he went to Parkland in the same car as Boyd & Sims. The radio logs prove he did not.
He testified that he went to Parkland. Boyd testifies that Fritz went to Parkland. Sims testifies that Fritz went to Parkland.
They're his Homicide boys. What else are they going to say? Consider the source, Bud.
And to you this means he didn`t go to Parkland.
If he lied about that, you're going to believe he didn't lie about going to Parkland at all? You have to admit that he lied about how he got there, if he did. Why would he lie, in other words, about one thing and not the other? We have only his word
Sims or Boyd may have misheard or misunderstood the dispatchSpeculation.
dcw
, thinking they were being asked where they were going. One of them answered "Parkland", and Fritz took the radio to correct that information, that they weren`t there yet, just "en route".
dcw
I think it happened pretty immediately, upon discovery. For instance, Haygood, who originally said he saw the shells with the boxes, forgot all about shells for the HSCA. He remembered inconsequential things, though.
Two of them probably were doing that when the "Powell Photo" was taken.Not *that* immediately. I think there had to be *some* basis provided for searchers seeing shells in situ, & other, phony sighters were then enlisted, like Haygood. After all, he stole, with Henslee's help, (LL) Hill's 12:37 transmissions...
dcw
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 6:55:49 PM UTC-7, Bud wrote:question and the figures in the street just below. Recently, however, I realized that the figure in the window need not be identified photographically. The figure is *there*--that's all that's needed. That and the time he was there. He can be identified
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 9:26:20 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 6:21:34 PM UTC-7, Bud wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 7:16:14 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 9:39:46 AM UTC-7, Bud wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:07:30 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:15:52 AM UTC-7, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 4:02:29 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
Mooney's holler--the Rosetta stone for conspiracy
(I had a complaint here recently about over-lengthy posts, so I'll have to make this short and sweet. I aim to please.)
Both sides want to see proof that there was a conspiracy in Dealey Plaza, in 1963. Here it is, direct and brutal, though this post cannot stay s&s *and* identify the depository shooter.
I have long been curious about one photo in "Pictures of the Pain", page 519, taken at "approximately 1:00", from half a block away, and across Houston. Too far away, for identification purposes, both from the figure in the window in
floor" up.Time: a) "I saw the expended shells... I leaned out the window... I hollered... It was approaching 1 o'clock"--Deputy Sheriff Luke Mooney". (v3p284-5)
b) At 12:58 or 12:59, DPD Sgt. G.V. Harkness radioed for the Crime Lab people to come to the depository. At 12:59, the dispatcher radioed that they were enroute. (CE 1974 p41)
c) Crime Lab's Lt. Day testified, "Shortly before 1 o'clock, I received a call from the police dispatcher to go to 411 Elm St. I went out of my office almost straight up 1 o'clock." (v4p249)
Location: a) "On the 3rd floor of this book company down here, we found empty rifle hulls, and it looked like the man had been here for some time"--Insp. J.H. Sawyer. (DPD radio, CE 1974 p176)
b) "Police found the remains of fried chicken and paper on the fifth floor. Apparently, the person had been there quite a while."--Insp. Sawyer, Stockton Record (AP), 11/22/63 p8. So, for Sawyer, "3rd floor" down translated as "5th
remains in the 6th-floor "nest". But Crime Lab Det. Studebaker went along with Sawyer: He said that the remains "ought to be" in his pictures, taken on the 6th floor, but they were not. (v7p147) The 6th-floor advocates--caught between Sawyer andc) Sheriff's deputies, upstairs, were torn between 5th floor (Faulkner, Wiseman) and 6th floor (Mooney, McCurley, Weatherford). The 6th-floor advocates tried to buttress their case by saying that they saw Sawyer's 5th-floor chicken
stated he had found some spent cartridge cases. (Decker Exhibit 5323 p531, 11/23/63)Finally, a deputy downstairs and outside completes my triangulation. Chief Criminal Deputy Allen Sweatt reported, "While I was still at the front of the building, Dep. Sheriff Luke Mooney stuck his head out of the 5th floor window and
conspiracy.At about 12:58, then, Mooney stuck his head out of the SE corner window, on the 5th floor, and reported finding the spent shells. And there's the picture of him doing just that, on page 519 of Trask. And there's your 5th-floor-HQ
already there. Sims & Boyd went to Parkland, Fritz did not.You've been a great audience, thank you!
No, he didn't. Check the radio log transcriptions:He wasn`t, he went to Parkland.There's evidence of something besides a human figure in the 5th-floor "nest" in the Weaver Polaroid. There are white somethings all along the bottom of the pic.dcwEven though there was a black man firing a rifle on the 5th floor, I think Mooney discovered the 6th floor "sniper's nest." There's no evidence of piled up boxes in the photography on the 5th floor.
And certainly it would have been part of the plan to immediately pick up the expended hulls on the 5th floor.Since Fritz was up there early,
303 (Dets. R. M. Sims & E. L. Boyd) What hospital did the President go to?
Dispatcher Parkland Hospital
Dispatcher 303, where are you?
303 (Dets. R. M. Sims & E. L. Boyd) Parkland Hospital
300 (Capt. John Will Fritz) 300, en route
Dispatcher 300, are you en route to Elm and Hourson to that store? 300 En route to the hospital.
Then check Fritz's testimony & the Sims/Boyd report: Fritz testified, falsely (as you see, above), that he was with Sims & Boyd in the same car to Parkland. He was in a different car, supposedly en route to Parkland, while Sims & Boyd were
that he was "en route"... somewhere.A lie. It says that HE says he is GOING to Parkland, not that he want. LN truth-bending time...So the radio log says he went to Parkland.So him saying he was going to the hospital means he didn`t go to the hospital?Him saying he went to the hospital is like him saying, as he did, that he went to Parkland in the same car as Boyd & Sims. The radio logs prove he did not.
He testified that he went to Parkland. Boyd testifies that Fritz went to Parkland. Sims testifies that Fritz went to Parkland.
They're his Homicide boys. What else are they going to say? Consider the source, Bud.
And to you this means he didn`t go to Parkland.
If he lied about that, you're going to believe he didn't lie about going to Parkland at all? You have to admit that he lied about how he got there, if he did. Why would he lie, in other words, about one thing and not the other? We have only his word
Sims or Boyd may have misheard or misunderstood the dispatch
Speculation.
dcw
, thinking they were being asked where they were going. One of them answered "Parkland", and Fritz took the radio to correct that information, that they weren`t there yet, just "en route".
dcw
I think it happened pretty immediately, upon discovery. For instance, Haygood, who originally said he saw the shells with the boxes, forgot all about shells for the HSCA. He remembered inconsequential things, though.
Two of them probably were doing that when the "Powell Photo" was taken.Not *that* immediately. I think there had to be *some* basis provided for searchers seeing shells in situ, & other, phony sighters were then enlisted, like Haygood. After all, he stole, with Henslee's help, (LL) Hill's 12:37 transmissions...
dcw
On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 11:48:34 AM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:question and the figures in the street just below. Recently, however, I realized that the figure in the window need not be identified photographically. The figure is *there*--that's all that's needed. That and the time he was there. He can be identified
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 6:55:49 PM UTC-7, Bud wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 9:26:20 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 6:21:34 PM UTC-7, Bud wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 7:16:14 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 9:39:46 AM UTC-7, Bud wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:07:30 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:15:52 AM UTC-7, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 4:02:29 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
Mooney's holler--the Rosetta stone for conspiracy
(I had a complaint here recently about over-lengthy posts, so I'll have to make this short and sweet. I aim to please.)
Both sides want to see proof that there was a conspiracy in Dealey Plaza, in 1963. Here it is, direct and brutal, though this post cannot stay s&s *and* identify the depository shooter.
I have long been curious about one photo in "Pictures of the Pain", page 519, taken at "approximately 1:00", from half a block away, and across Houston. Too far away, for identification purposes, both from the figure in the window in
floor" up.Time: a) "I saw the expended shells... I leaned out the window... I hollered... It was approaching 1 o'clock"--Deputy Sheriff Luke Mooney". (v3p284-5)
b) At 12:58 or 12:59, DPD Sgt. G.V. Harkness radioed for the Crime Lab people to come to the depository. At 12:59, the dispatcher radioed that they were enroute. (CE 1974 p41)
c) Crime Lab's Lt. Day testified, "Shortly before 1 o'clock, I received a call from the police dispatcher to go to 411 Elm St. I went out of my office almost straight up 1 o'clock." (v4p249)
Location: a) "On the 3rd floor of this book company down here, we found empty rifle hulls, and it looked like the man had been here for some time"--Insp. J.H. Sawyer. (DPD radio, CE 1974 p176)
b) "Police found the remains of fried chicken and paper on the fifth floor. Apparently, the person had been there quite a while."--Insp. Sawyer, Stockton Record (AP), 11/22/63 p8. So, for Sawyer, "3rd floor" down translated as "5th
remains in the 6th-floor "nest". But Crime Lab Det. Studebaker went along with Sawyer: He said that the remains "ought to be" in his pictures, taken on the 6th floor, but they were not. (v7p147) The 6th-floor advocates--caught between Sawyer andc) Sheriff's deputies, upstairs, were torn between 5th floor (Faulkner, Wiseman) and 6th floor (Mooney, McCurley, Weatherford). The 6th-floor advocates tried to buttress their case by saying that they saw Sawyer's 5th-floor chicken
stated he had found some spent cartridge cases. (Decker Exhibit 5323 p531, 11/23/63)Finally, a deputy downstairs and outside completes my triangulation. Chief Criminal Deputy Allen Sweatt reported, "While I was still at the front of the building, Dep. Sheriff Luke Mooney stuck his head out of the 5th floor window and
conspiracy.At about 12:58, then, Mooney stuck his head out of the SE corner window, on the 5th floor, and reported finding the spent shells. And there's the picture of him doing just that, on page 519 of Trask. And there's your 5th-floor-HQ
You've been a great audience, thank you!
No, he didn't. Check the radio log transcriptions:He wasn`t, he went to Parkland.There's evidence of something besides a human figure in the 5th-floor "nest" in the Weaver Polaroid. There are white somethings all along the bottom of the pic.dcwEven though there was a black man firing a rifle on the 5th floor, I think Mooney discovered the 6th floor "sniper's nest." There's no evidence of piled up boxes in the photography on the 5th floor.
And certainly it would have been part of the plan to immediately pick up the expended hulls on the 5th floor.Since Fritz was up there early,
303 (Dets. R. M. Sims & E. L. Boyd) What hospital did the President go to?
Dispatcher Parkland Hospital
Dispatcher 303, where are you?
303 (Dets. R. M. Sims & E. L. Boyd) Parkland Hospital
300 (Capt. John Will Fritz) 300, en route
Dispatcher 300, are you en route to Elm and Hourson to that store? 300 En route to the hospital.
already there. Sims & Boyd went to Parkland, Fritz did not.Then check Fritz's testimony & the Sims/Boyd report: Fritz testified, falsely (as you see, above), that he was with Sims & Boyd in the same car to Parkland. He was in a different car, supposedly en route to Parkland, while Sims & Boyd were
Not a lie. If you would read his whole testimony instead of the minor anomaly you came across,A lie. It says that HE says he is GOING to Parkland, not that he want. LN truth-bending time...So the radio log says he went to Parkland.So him saying he was going to the hospital means he didn`t go to the hospital?Him saying he went to the hospital is like him saying, as he did, that he went to Parkland in the same car as Boyd & Sims. The radio logs prove he did not.
you would know he went to Parkland. He saw Curry there and immediately told him he thought
he and his detectives should go to the scene of the crime.
they got there.word that he was "en route"... somewhere.
He testified that he went to Parkland. Boyd testifies that Fritz went to Parkland. Sims testifies that Fritz went to Parkland.So you think three homicide detectives perjured themselves in order to make your silly narrative work.
They're his Homicide boys. What else are they going to say? Consider the source, Bud.
And to you this means he didn`t go to Parkland.
If he lied about that, you're going to believe he didn't lie about going to Parkland at all? You have to admit that he lied about how he got there, if he did. Why would he lie, in other words, about one thing and not the other? We have only his
Sims or Boyd may have misheard or misunderstood the dispatchSpeculation.
Speculation is all you have ever presented, Don. You try to find significance in the most
insignificant things.
On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 11:55:48 AM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:question and the figures in the street just below. Recently, however, I realized that the figure in the window need not be identified photographically. The figure is *there*--that's all that's needed. That and the time he was there. He can be identified
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 7:17:45 PM UTC-7, John Corbett wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 9:38:52 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 11:51:25 AM UTC-7, John Corbett wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:39:46 PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:07:30 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:15:52 AM UTC-7, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 4:02:29 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
Mooney's holler--the Rosetta stone for conspiracy
(I had a complaint here recently about over-lengthy posts, so I'll have to make this short and sweet. I aim to please.)
Both sides want to see proof that there was a conspiracy in Dealey Plaza, in 1963. Here it is, direct and brutal, though this post cannot stay s&s *and* identify the depository shooter.
I have long been curious about one photo in "Pictures of the Pain", page 519, taken at "approximately 1:00", from half a block away, and across Houston. Too far away, for identification purposes, both from the figure in the window in
floor" up.Time: a) "I saw the expended shells... I leaned out the window... I hollered... It was approaching 1 o'clock"--Deputy Sheriff Luke Mooney". (v3p284-5)
b) At 12:58 or 12:59, DPD Sgt. G.V. Harkness radioed for the Crime Lab people to come to the depository. At 12:59, the dispatcher radioed that they were enroute. (CE 1974 p41)
c) Crime Lab's Lt. Day testified, "Shortly before 1 o'clock, I received a call from the police dispatcher to go to 411 Elm St. I went out of my office almost straight up 1 o'clock." (v4p249)
Location: a) "On the 3rd floor of this book company down here, we found empty rifle hulls, and it looked like the man had been here for some time"--Insp. J.H. Sawyer. (DPD radio, CE 1974 p176)
b) "Police found the remains of fried chicken and paper on the fifth floor. Apparently, the person had been there quite a while."--Insp. Sawyer, Stockton Record (AP), 11/22/63 p8. So, for Sawyer, "3rd floor" down translated as "5th
remains in the 6th-floor "nest". But Crime Lab Det. Studebaker went along with Sawyer: He said that the remains "ought to be" in his pictures, taken on the 6th floor, but they were not. (v7p147) The 6th-floor advocates--caught between Sawyer andc) Sheriff's deputies, upstairs, were torn between 5th floor (Faulkner, Wiseman) and 6th floor (Mooney, McCurley, Weatherford). The 6th-floor advocates tried to buttress their case by saying that they saw Sawyer's 5th-floor chicken
stated he had found some spent cartridge cases. (Decker Exhibit 5323 p531, 11/23/63)Finally, a deputy downstairs and outside completes my triangulation. Chief Criminal Deputy Allen Sweatt reported, "While I was still at the front of the building, Dep. Sheriff Luke Mooney stuck his head out of the 5th floor window and
conspiracy.At about 12:58, then, Mooney stuck his head out of the SE corner window, on the 5th floor, and reported finding the spent shells. And there's the picture of him doing just that, on page 519 of Trask. And there's your 5th-floor-HQ
You've been a great audience, thank you!
He wasn`t, he went to Parkland.There's evidence of something besides a human figure in the 5th-floor "nest" in the Weaver Polaroid. There are white somethings all along the bottom of the pic.dcwEven though there was a black man firing a rifle on the 5th floor, I think Mooney discovered the 6th floor "sniper's nest." There's no evidence of piled up boxes in the photography on the 5th floor.
And certainly it would have been part of the plan to immediately pick up the expended hulls on the 5th floor.Since Fritz was up there early,
I think it happened pretty immediately, upon discovery. For instance, Haygood, who originally said he saw the shells with the boxes, forgot all about shells for the HSCA. He remembered inconsequential things, though.
Two of them probably were doing that when the "Powell Photo" was taken.Not *that* immediately. I think there had to be *some* basis provided for searchers seeing shells in situ, & other, phony sighters were then enlisted, like Haygood. After all, he stole, with Henslee's help, (LL) Hill's 12:37 transmissions...
.You don't need to pretend.Opinion masquerading as incisive comment.Generally, they are.If somebody wanted to know what a gish gallop is, all they would have to do is read one of Don'sI have to take it back--you're a *lousy* audience. Notice how John Robot generalizes re how my posts are impossible to follow.
posts. They are the essence of what a gish gallop is. The more current vernacular is "word salad".
Whatever term is applied to them, his posts are almost impossible to follow. It's like trying to
make sense of a Jackson Pollock painting. He just throws a bunch of shit on the wall and then
tries to tell us what it means. I gave up long ago trying to follow his goofy reasoning. I'd get
migraines from trying. It's amazing how many illogical conclusions a man can pack into one
post of about a half dozen paragraphs. Whoever said you can't put ten pounds of shit in a five
pound bag never read one of Don's posts.
Notice also how he does not give ONE instance of that.I don't need to. You provide plenty.
Are you truly ignorant or just pretending to be ignorant?Perhaps he's still smarting from when Hank had to help him out to get the connection between Commission testimony and references therein to CE photos.HUH???
He took the words in Bob Jackson's testimony at face value, without bothering to check what Jackson meant by "halfway" (page 159). That made Jackson's testimony, for Mr. Robot, "impossible to follow"! I think he needs Hank's help again, poor boy..
Another word salad.Yes, I know you'd like to forget the proof of your ignorance of Commission testimony/photo-evidence. It was an embarrassing day for you. Hank--you're little protegee needs you! Critter has no talent for argument, or reading...
I have no fucking idea what you are even talking about. As usual, your gish gallop is
incomprehensible.
On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 11:55:48 AM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:question and the figures in the street just below. Recently, however, I realized that the figure in the window need not be identified photographically. The figure is *there*--that's all that's needed. That and the time he was there. He can be identified
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 7:17:45 PM UTC-7, John Corbett wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 9:38:52 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 11:51:25 AM UTC-7, John Corbett wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:39:46 PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:07:30 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:15:52 AM UTC-7, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 4:02:29 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
Mooney's holler--the Rosetta stone for conspiracy
(I had a complaint here recently about over-lengthy posts, so I'll have to make this short and sweet. I aim to please.)
Both sides want to see proof that there was a conspiracy in Dealey Plaza, in 1963. Here it is, direct and brutal, though this post cannot stay s&s *and* identify the depository shooter.
I have long been curious about one photo in "Pictures of the Pain", page 519, taken at "approximately 1:00", from half a block away, and across Houston. Too far away, for identification purposes, both from the figure in the window in
floor" up.Time: a) "I saw the expended shells... I leaned out the window... I hollered... It was approaching 1 o'clock"--Deputy Sheriff Luke Mooney". (v3p284-5)
b) At 12:58 or 12:59, DPD Sgt. G.V. Harkness radioed for the Crime Lab people to come to the depository. At 12:59, the dispatcher radioed that they were enroute. (CE 1974 p41)
c) Crime Lab's Lt. Day testified, "Shortly before 1 o'clock, I received a call from the police dispatcher to go to 411 Elm St. I went out of my office almost straight up 1 o'clock." (v4p249)
Location: a) "On the 3rd floor of this book company down here, we found empty rifle hulls, and it looked like the man had been here for some time"--Insp. J.H. Sawyer. (DPD radio, CE 1974 p176)
b) "Police found the remains of fried chicken and paper on the fifth floor. Apparently, the person had been there quite a while."--Insp. Sawyer, Stockton Record (AP), 11/22/63 p8. So, for Sawyer, "3rd floor" down translated as "5th
remains in the 6th-floor "nest". But Crime Lab Det. Studebaker went along with Sawyer: He said that the remains "ought to be" in his pictures, taken on the 6th floor, but they were not. (v7p147) The 6th-floor advocates--caught between Sawyer andc) Sheriff's deputies, upstairs, were torn between 5th floor (Faulkner, Wiseman) and 6th floor (Mooney, McCurley, Weatherford). The 6th-floor advocates tried to buttress their case by saying that they saw Sawyer's 5th-floor chicken
stated he had found some spent cartridge cases. (Decker Exhibit 5323 p531, 11/23/63)Finally, a deputy downstairs and outside completes my triangulation. Chief Criminal Deputy Allen Sweatt reported, "While I was still at the front of the building, Dep. Sheriff Luke Mooney stuck his head out of the 5th floor window and
conspiracy.At about 12:58, then, Mooney stuck his head out of the SE corner window, on the 5th floor, and reported finding the spent shells. And there's the picture of him doing just that, on page 519 of Trask. And there's your 5th-floor-HQ
You've been a great audience, thank you!
He wasn`t, he went to Parkland.There's evidence of something besides a human figure in the 5th-floor "nest" in the Weaver Polaroid. There are white somethings all along the bottom of the pic.dcwEven though there was a black man firing a rifle on the 5th floor, I think Mooney discovered the 6th floor "sniper's nest." There's no evidence of piled up boxes in the photography on the 5th floor.
And certainly it would have been part of the plan to immediately pick up the expended hulls on the 5th floor.Since Fritz was up there early,
I think it happened pretty immediately, upon discovery. For instance, Haygood, who originally said he saw the shells with the boxes, forgot all about shells for the HSCA. He remembered inconsequential things, though.
Two of them probably were doing that when the "Powell Photo" was taken.Not *that* immediately. I think there had to be *some* basis provided for searchers seeing shells in situ, & other, phony sighters were then enlisted, like Haygood. After all, he stole, with Henslee's help, (LL) Hill's 12:37 transmissions...
.You don't need to pretend.Opinion masquerading as incisive comment.Generally, they are.If somebody wanted to know what a gish gallop is, all they would have to do is read one of Don'sI have to take it back--you're a *lousy* audience. Notice how John Robot generalizes re how my posts are impossible to follow.
posts. They are the essence of what a gish gallop is. The more current vernacular is "word salad".
Whatever term is applied to them, his posts are almost impossible to follow. It's like trying to
make sense of a Jackson Pollock painting. He just throws a bunch of shit on the wall and then
tries to tell us what it means. I gave up long ago trying to follow his goofy reasoning. I'd get
migraines from trying. It's amazing how many illogical conclusions a man can pack into one
post of about a half dozen paragraphs. Whoever said you can't put ten pounds of shit in a five
pound bag never read one of Don's posts.
Notice also how he does not give ONE instance of that.I don't need to. You provide plenty.
Are you truly ignorant or just pretending to be ignorant?Perhaps he's still smarting from when Hank had to help him out to get the connection between Commission testimony and references therein to CE photos.HUH???
He took the words in Bob Jackson's testimony at face value, without bothering to check what Jackson meant by "halfway" (page 159). That made Jackson's testimony, for Mr. Robot, "impossible to follow"! I think he needs Hank's help again, poor boy..
Another word salad.Yes, I know you'd like to forget the proof of your ignorance of Commission testimony/photo-evidence. It was an embarrassing day for you. Hank--you're little protegee needs you! Critter has no talent for argument, or reading...
I have no fucking idea what you are even talking about. As usual, your gish gallop is
incomprehensible.
window which was actually open as far as it could have been open. I suspect that Jackson is not usually thought of as a witness to a wide-open window because few people have apparently gone beyond that word "halfway" and actually looked at the photo" In [Corbett's] first attack, he asserted that witness Bob Jackson's word "halfway", in his Commission testimony, "shoots down [my] argument" (7/9), ignoring the fact that Jackson indicated to counsel, as an illustration of the word "halfway", a
No one had their tape measures out on 11/22/63, except perhaps the DPD Crime Lab personnel.Next, Mr. Corbett decided that "wide open" was a "vague" term: "It doesn't mean all the way open" (7/31): It's no more vague than "halfway", which word he embraces and could, yes, mean a window which was open a few inches more or less than halfway.
view. He fails to entertain the possibility that the assassination planners might have been sophisticated enough to reverse that logic, intentionally, the better to throw off students of Logic 1A. That is, the partially-opened window seems to have beenThen Mr. Corbett admittedly followed a certain logic (8/2) when he wrote that a shooter would certainly only open the "window partially... in order to maintain partial concealment", and a mere onlooker "would have opened it all the way", for a better
knowledge a couple of times" (Howard Brennan/v3p143), and by sitting "sideways on the window sill" (p144), and by having the window open so far that witness Ronald Fischer "wouldn't have been able to see past the top of his head had it not been" (v6p199).The giveaway is the fact that the suspect--contrary to what Mr. Corbett suggests--hardly maintained "partial concealment". He used that wide-open window as a stage on which he could make himself seen, by walking to and from the window "to my
harder to dismiss. And another witness, Malcolm Couch, testified that it was his "impression that [the window] was all the way open" (v6p157). Only an impression, but it tallies with the more-definite observations of the other four. And to buy Mr.In his next volley, Mr. Corbett posited that a "few witnesses.. misremembered that the shooter had fired from a wide open window" (8/5). First, it was actually four witnesses, not a "few". A "few" might, yes, "misremember". But a chorus of four is
that westernmost window which Jackson indicated was not "vaguely" wide open. It was wide open. Mr. Corbett giveth and Mr. Corbett taketh away, blessed be the name...."On 8/8, Mr. Corbett finally admitted that "the westernmost window on the sixth floor was wide open". Unfortunately, on 8/10, he forthwith cancelled out his admission with "we have a few vague descriptions of the shooters window as wide open". And yet
On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 11:48:34 AM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:question and the figures in the street just below. Recently, however, I realized that the figure in the window need not be identified photographically. The figure is *there*--that's all that's needed. That and the time he was there. He can be identified
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 6:55:49 PM UTC-7, Bud wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 9:26:20 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 6:21:34 PM UTC-7, Bud wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 7:16:14 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 9:39:46 AM UTC-7, Bud wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:07:30 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:15:52 AM UTC-7, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 4:02:29 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
Mooney's holler--the Rosetta stone for conspiracy
(I had a complaint here recently about over-lengthy posts, so I'll have to make this short and sweet. I aim to please.)
Both sides want to see proof that there was a conspiracy in Dealey Plaza, in 1963. Here it is, direct and brutal, though this post cannot stay s&s *and* identify the depository shooter.
I have long been curious about one photo in "Pictures of the Pain", page 519, taken at "approximately 1:00", from half a block away, and across Houston. Too far away, for identification purposes, both from the figure in the window in
floor" up.Time: a) "I saw the expended shells... I leaned out the window... I hollered... It was approaching 1 o'clock"--Deputy Sheriff Luke Mooney". (v3p284-5)
b) At 12:58 or 12:59, DPD Sgt. G.V. Harkness radioed for the Crime Lab people to come to the depository. At 12:59, the dispatcher radioed that they were enroute. (CE 1974 p41)
c) Crime Lab's Lt. Day testified, "Shortly before 1 o'clock, I received a call from the police dispatcher to go to 411 Elm St. I went out of my office almost straight up 1 o'clock." (v4p249)
Location: a) "On the 3rd floor of this book company down here, we found empty rifle hulls, and it looked like the man had been here for some time"--Insp. J.H. Sawyer. (DPD radio, CE 1974 p176)
b) "Police found the remains of fried chicken and paper on the fifth floor. Apparently, the person had been there quite a while."--Insp. Sawyer, Stockton Record (AP), 11/22/63 p8. So, for Sawyer, "3rd floor" down translated as "5th
remains in the 6th-floor "nest". But Crime Lab Det. Studebaker went along with Sawyer: He said that the remains "ought to be" in his pictures, taken on the 6th floor, but they were not. (v7p147) The 6th-floor advocates--caught between Sawyer andc) Sheriff's deputies, upstairs, were torn between 5th floor (Faulkner, Wiseman) and 6th floor (Mooney, McCurley, Weatherford). The 6th-floor advocates tried to buttress their case by saying that they saw Sawyer's 5th-floor chicken
stated he had found some spent cartridge cases. (Decker Exhibit 5323 p531, 11/23/63)Finally, a deputy downstairs and outside completes my triangulation. Chief Criminal Deputy Allen Sweatt reported, "While I was still at the front of the building, Dep. Sheriff Luke Mooney stuck his head out of the 5th floor window and
conspiracy.At about 12:58, then, Mooney stuck his head out of the SE corner window, on the 5th floor, and reported finding the spent shells. And there's the picture of him doing just that, on page 519 of Trask. And there's your 5th-floor-HQ
already there. Sims & Boyd went to Parkland, Fritz did not.You've been a great audience, thank you!
No, he didn't. Check the radio log transcriptions:He wasn`t, he went to Parkland.There's evidence of something besides a human figure in the 5th-floor "nest" in the Weaver Polaroid. There are white somethings all along the bottom of the pic.dcwEven though there was a black man firing a rifle on the 5th floor, I think Mooney discovered the 6th floor "sniper's nest." There's no evidence of piled up boxes in the photography on the 5th floor.
And certainly it would have been part of the plan to immediately pick up the expended hulls on the 5th floor.Since Fritz was up there early,
303 (Dets. R. M. Sims & E. L. Boyd) What hospital did the President go to?
Dispatcher Parkland Hospital
Dispatcher 303, where are you?
303 (Dets. R. M. Sims & E. L. Boyd) Parkland Hospital
300 (Capt. John Will Fritz) 300, en route
Dispatcher 300, are you en route to Elm and Hourson to that store? 300 En route to the hospital.
Then check Fritz's testimony & the Sims/Boyd report: Fritz testified, falsely (as you see, above), that he was with Sims & Boyd in the same car to Parkland. He was in a different car, supposedly en route to Parkland, while Sims & Boyd were
word that he was "en route"... somewhere.A lie. It says that HE says he is GOING to Parkland, not that he want. LN truth-bending time...So the radio log says he went to Parkland.So him saying he was going to the hospital means he didn`t go to the hospital?Him saying he went to the hospital is like him saying, as he did, that he went to Parkland in the same car as Boyd & Sims. The radio logs prove he did not.
He testified that he went to Parkland. Boyd testifies that Fritz went to Parkland. Sims testifies that Fritz went to Parkland.
They're his Homicide boys. What else are they going to say? Consider the source, Bud.
And to you this means he didn`t go to Parkland.
If he lied about that, you're going to believe he didn't lie about going to Parkland at all? You have to admit that he lied about how he got there, if he did. Why would he lie, in other words, about one thing and not the other? We have only his
That they lied when they testified is speculation that is a thousand times more fantastic.Sims or Boyd may have misheard or misunderstood the dispatchSpeculation.
I offered a possibility that requires nothing fantastic...
dcw
, thinking they were being asked where they were going. One of them answered "Parkland", and Fritz took the radio to correct that information, that they weren`t there yet, just "en route".
dcw
I think it happened pretty immediately, upon discovery. For instance, Haygood, who originally said he saw the shells with the boxes, forgot all about shells for the HSCA. He remembered inconsequential things, though.
Two of them probably were doing that when the "Powell Photo" was taken.Not *that* immediately. I think there had to be *some* basis provided for searchers seeing shells in situ, & other, phony sighters were then enlisted, like Haygood. After all, he stole, with Henslee's help, (LL) Hill's 12:37 transmissions.
dcw
On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 11:49:51 AM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:question and the figures in the street just below. Recently, however, I realized that the figure in the window need not be identified photographically. The figure is *there*--that's all that's needed. That and the time he was there. He can be identified
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 7:00:40 PM UTC-7, Bud wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 9:38:52 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 11:51:25 AM UTC-7, John Corbett wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:39:46 PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:07:30 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:15:52 AM UTC-7, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 4:02:29 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
Mooney's holler--the Rosetta stone for conspiracy
(I had a complaint here recently about over-lengthy posts, so I'll have to make this short and sweet. I aim to please.)
Both sides want to see proof that there was a conspiracy in Dealey Plaza, in 1963. Here it is, direct and brutal, though this post cannot stay s&s *and* identify the depository shooter.
I have long been curious about one photo in "Pictures of the Pain", page 519, taken at "approximately 1:00", from half a block away, and across Houston. Too far away, for identification purposes, both from the figure in the window in
floor" up.Time: a) "I saw the expended shells... I leaned out the window... I hollered... It was approaching 1 o'clock"--Deputy Sheriff Luke Mooney". (v3p284-5)
b) At 12:58 or 12:59, DPD Sgt. G.V. Harkness radioed for the Crime Lab people to come to the depository. At 12:59, the dispatcher radioed that they were enroute. (CE 1974 p41)
c) Crime Lab's Lt. Day testified, "Shortly before 1 o'clock, I received a call from the police dispatcher to go to 411 Elm St. I went out of my office almost straight up 1 o'clock." (v4p249)
Location: a) "On the 3rd floor of this book company down here, we found empty rifle hulls, and it looked like the man had been here for some time"--Insp. J.H. Sawyer. (DPD radio, CE 1974 p176)
b) "Police found the remains of fried chicken and paper on the fifth floor. Apparently, the person had been there quite a while."--Insp. Sawyer, Stockton Record (AP), 11/22/63 p8. So, for Sawyer, "3rd floor" down translated as "5th
remains in the 6th-floor "nest". But Crime Lab Det. Studebaker went along with Sawyer: He said that the remains "ought to be" in his pictures, taken on the 6th floor, but they were not. (v7p147) The 6th-floor advocates--caught between Sawyer andc) Sheriff's deputies, upstairs, were torn between 5th floor (Faulkner, Wiseman) and 6th floor (Mooney, McCurley, Weatherford). The 6th-floor advocates tried to buttress their case by saying that they saw Sawyer's 5th-floor chicken
stated he had found some spent cartridge cases. (Decker Exhibit 5323 p531, 11/23/63)Finally, a deputy downstairs and outside completes my triangulation. Chief Criminal Deputy Allen Sweatt reported, "While I was still at the front of the building, Dep. Sheriff Luke Mooney stuck his head out of the 5th floor window and
conspiracy.At about 12:58, then, Mooney stuck his head out of the SE corner window, on the 5th floor, and reported finding the spent shells. And there's the picture of him doing just that, on page 519 of Trask. And there's your 5th-floor-HQ
You've been a great audience, thank you!
He wasn`t, he went to Parkland.There's evidence of something besides a human figure in the 5th-floor "nest" in the Weaver Polaroid. There are white somethings all along the bottom of the pic.dcwEven though there was a black man firing a rifle on the 5th floor, I think Mooney discovered the 6th floor "sniper's nest." There's no evidence of piled up boxes in the photography on the 5th floor.
And certainly it would have been part of the plan to immediately pick up the expended hulls on the 5th floor.Since Fritz was up there early,
I think it happened pretty immediately, upon discovery. For instance, Haygood, who originally said he saw the shells with the boxes, forgot all about shells for the HSCA. He remembered inconsequential things, though.
Two of them probably were doing that when the "Powell Photo" was taken.Not *that* immediately. I think there had to be *some* basis provided for searchers seeing shells in situ, & other, phony sighters were then enlisted, like Haygood. After all, he stole, with Henslee's help, (LL) Hill's 12:37 transmissions...
It is right in line with my belief that conspiracy folks play silly games with the evidence in this case. You are like a child, placing one fantastic thing on top of another to create something you find personally appealing.It's just that it goes against your firmly-held beliefs.I`ve never been able to follow them. I don`t even try any more, I still haven`t read your first post in this thread, I don`t bother because your reasoning is so tortured I can`t follow it.If somebody wanted to know what a gish gallop is, all they would have to do is read one of Don'sI have to take it back--you're a *lousy* audience. Notice how John Robot generalizes re how my posts are impossible to follow.
posts. They are the essence of what a gish gallop is. The more current vernacular is "word salad".
Whatever term is applied to them, his posts are almost impossible to follow. It's like trying to
make sense of a Jackson Pollock painting. He just throws a bunch of shit on the wall and then
tries to tell us what it means. I gave up long ago trying to follow his goofy reasoning. I'd get
migraines from trying. It's amazing how many illogical conclusions a man can pack into one
post of about a half dozen paragraphs. Whoever said you can't put ten pounds of shit in a five
pound bag never read one of Don's posts.
And you haven`t explained why it should be expected that micro-analyzing the movements of cops responding to a crime would give insight into the crime they are responding to.
testimony at face value, without bothering to check what Jackson meant by "halfway" (page 159). That made Jackson's testimony, for Mr. Robot, "impossible to follow"! I think he needs Hank's help again, poor boy...Notice also how he does not give ONE instance of that. Perhaps he's still smarting from when Hank had to help him out to get the connection between Commission testimony and references therein to CE photos. He took the words in Bob Jackson's
dcw
On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 9:32:05 AM UTC-7, John Corbett wrote:
Speculation is all you have ever presented, Don. You try to find significance in the mostAnd you don't know how to do research. You lean on one witness and ignore others, as well as photos. And I'd say it's pretty significant that Fritz apparently got to the depository earlier than he said he did.
insignificant things.
On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 9:38:36 AM UTC-7, John Corbett wrote:question and the figures in the street just below. Recently, however, I realized that the figure in the window need not be identified photographically. The figure is *there*--that's all that's needed. That and the time he was there. He can be identified
On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 11:55:48 AM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 7:17:45 PM UTC-7, John Corbett wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 9:38:52 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 11:51:25 AM UTC-7, John Corbett wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:39:46 PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:07:30 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:15:52 AM UTC-7, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 4:02:29 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
Mooney's holler--the Rosetta stone for conspiracy
(I had a complaint here recently about over-lengthy posts, so I'll have to make this short and sweet. I aim to please.)
Both sides want to see proof that there was a conspiracy in Dealey Plaza, in 1963. Here it is, direct and brutal, though this post cannot stay s&s *and* identify the depository shooter.
I have long been curious about one photo in "Pictures of the Pain", page 519, taken at "approximately 1:00", from half a block away, and across Houston. Too far away, for identification purposes, both from the figure in the window in
floor" up.Time: a) "I saw the expended shells... I leaned out the window... I hollered... It was approaching 1 o'clock"--Deputy Sheriff Luke Mooney". (v3p284-5)
b) At 12:58 or 12:59, DPD Sgt. G.V. Harkness radioed for the Crime Lab people to come to the depository. At 12:59, the dispatcher radioed that they were enroute. (CE 1974 p41)
c) Crime Lab's Lt. Day testified, "Shortly before 1 o'clock, I received a call from the police dispatcher to go to 411 Elm St. I went out of my office almost straight up 1 o'clock." (v4p249)
Location: a) "On the 3rd floor of this book company down here, we found empty rifle hulls, and it looked like the man had been here for some time"--Insp. J.H. Sawyer. (DPD radio, CE 1974 p176)
b) "Police found the remains of fried chicken and paper on the fifth floor. Apparently, the person had been there quite a while."--Insp. Sawyer, Stockton Record (AP), 11/22/63 p8. So, for Sawyer, "3rd floor" down translated as "5th
remains in the 6th-floor "nest". But Crime Lab Det. Studebaker went along with Sawyer: He said that the remains "ought to be" in his pictures, taken on the 6th floor, but they were not. (v7p147) The 6th-floor advocates--caught between Sawyer andc) Sheriff's deputies, upstairs, were torn between 5th floor (Faulkner, Wiseman) and 6th floor (Mooney, McCurley, Weatherford). The 6th-floor advocates tried to buttress their case by saying that they saw Sawyer's 5th-floor chicken
stated he had found some spent cartridge cases. (Decker Exhibit 5323 p531, 11/23/63)Finally, a deputy downstairs and outside completes my triangulation. Chief Criminal Deputy Allen Sweatt reported, "While I was still at the front of the building, Dep. Sheriff Luke Mooney stuck his head out of the 5th floor window and
conspiracy.At about 12:58, then, Mooney stuck his head out of the SE corner window, on the 5th floor, and reported finding the spent shells. And there's the picture of him doing just that, on page 519 of Trask. And there's your 5th-floor-HQ
..You've been a great audience, thank you!
He wasn`t, he went to Parkland.There's evidence of something besides a human figure in the 5th-floor "nest" in the Weaver Polaroid. There are white somethings all along the bottom of the pic.dcwEven though there was a black man firing a rifle on the 5th floor, I think Mooney discovered the 6th floor "sniper's nest." There's no evidence of piled up boxes in the photography on the 5th floor.
And certainly it would have been part of the plan to immediately pick up the expended hulls on the 5th floor.Since Fritz was up there early,
I think it happened pretty immediately, upon discovery. For instance, Haygood, who originally said he saw the shells with the boxes, forgot all about shells for the HSCA. He remembered inconsequential things, though.
Two of them probably were doing that when the "Powell Photo" was taken.Not *that* immediately. I think there had to be *some* basis provided for searchers seeing shells in situ, & other, phony sighters were then enlisted, like Haygood. After all, he stole, with Henslee's help, (LL) Hill's 12:37 transmissions.
boy...You don't need to pretend.Opinion masquerading as incisive comment.Generally, they are.If somebody wanted to know what a gish gallop is, all they would have to do is read one of Don'sI have to take it back--you're a *lousy* audience. Notice how John Robot generalizes re how my posts are impossible to follow.
posts. They are the essence of what a gish gallop is. The more current vernacular is "word salad".
Whatever term is applied to them, his posts are almost impossible to follow. It's like trying to
make sense of a Jackson Pollock painting. He just throws a bunch of shit on the wall and then
tries to tell us what it means. I gave up long ago trying to follow his goofy reasoning. I'd get
migraines from trying. It's amazing how many illogical conclusions a man can pack into one
post of about a half dozen paragraphs. Whoever said you can't put ten pounds of shit in a five
pound bag never read one of Don's posts.
Notice also how he does not give ONE instance of that.I don't need to. You provide plenty.
Are you truly ignorant or just pretending to be ignorant?Perhaps he's still smarting from when Hank had to help him out to get the connection between Commission testimony and references therein to CE photos.HUH???
He took the words in Bob Jackson's testimony at face value, without bothering to check what Jackson meant by "halfway" (page 159). That made Jackson's testimony, for Mr. Robot, "impossible to follow"! I think he needs Hank's help again, poor
window which was actually open as far as it could have been open. I suspect that Jackson is not usually thought of as a witness to a wide-open window because few people have apparently gone beyond that word "halfway" and actually looked at the photoAnother word salad.Yes, I know you'd like to forget the proof of your ignorance of Commission testimony/photo-evidence. It was an embarrassing day for you. Hank--you're little protegee needs you! Critter has no talent for argument, or reading...
I have no fucking idea what you are even talking about. As usual, your gish gallop isHere's more on your 2020 gaffe: (from alt.conspiracy.jfk 9/2/2020)
incomprehensible.
" In [Corbett's] first attack, he asserted that witness Bob Jackson's word "halfway", in his Commission testimony, "shoots down [my] argument" (7/9), ignoring the fact that Jackson indicated to counsel, as an illustration of the word "halfway", a
No one had their tape measures out on 11/22/63, except perhaps the DPD Crime Lab personnel.Next, Mr. Corbett decided that "wide open" was a "vague" term: "It doesn't mean all the way open" (7/31): It's no more vague than "halfway", which word he embraces and could, yes, mean a window which was open a few inches more or less than halfway.
better view. He fails to entertain the possibility that the assassination planners might have been sophisticated enough to reverse that logic, intentionally, the better to throw off students of Logic 1A. That is, the partially-opened window seems to haveThen Mr. Corbett admittedly followed a certain logic (8/2) when he wrote that a shooter would certainly only open the "window partially... in order to maintain partial concealment", and a mere onlooker "would have opened it all the way", for a
knowledge a couple of times" (Howard Brennan/v3p143), and by sitting "sideways on the window sill" (p144), and by having the window open so far that witness Ronald Fischer "wouldn't have been able to see past the top of his head had it not been" (v6p199).The giveaway is the fact that the suspect--contrary to what Mr. Corbett suggests--hardly maintained "partial concealment". He used that wide-open window as a stage on which he could make himself seen, by walking to and from the window "to my
harder to dismiss. And another witness, Malcolm Couch, testified that it was his "impression that [the window] was all the way open" (v6p157). Only an impression, but it tallies with the more-definite observations of the other four. And to buy Mr.In his next volley, Mr. Corbett posited that a "few witnesses.. misremembered that the shooter had fired from a wide open window" (8/5). First, it was actually four witnesses, not a "few". A "few" might, yes, "misremember". But a chorus of four is
yet that westernmost window which Jackson indicated was not "vaguely" wide open. It was wide open. Mr. Corbett giveth and Mr. Corbett taketh away, blessed be the name...."On 8/8, Mr. Corbett finally admitted that "the westernmost window on the sixth floor was wide open". Unfortunately, on 8/10, he forthwith cancelled out his admission with "we have a few vague descriptions of the shooters window as wide open". And
And admission, then, and an evasion, from M. Corbett.
On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 10:50:27 AM UTC-7, Bud wrote:
It is right in line with my belief that conspiracy folks play silly games with the evidence in this case. You are like a child, placing one fantastic thing on top of another to create something you find personally appealing.
And you haven`t explained why it should be expected that micro-analyzing the movements of cops responding to a crime would give insight into the crime they are responding to.Their falsifying their movements suggests that they falsified their actual investigation into that crime.
On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 10:41:33 AM UTC-7, Bud wrote:in question and the figures in the street just below. Recently, however, I realized that the figure in the window need not be identified photographically. The figure is *there*--that's all that's needed. That and the time he was there. He can be
On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 11:48:34 AM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 6:55:49 PM UTC-7, Bud wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 9:26:20 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 6:21:34 PM UTC-7, Bud wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 7:16:14 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 9:39:46 AM UTC-7, Bud wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:07:30 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:15:52 AM UTC-7, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 4:02:29 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
Mooney's holler--the Rosetta stone for conspiracy
(I had a complaint here recently about over-lengthy posts, so I'll have to make this short and sweet. I aim to please.)
Both sides want to see proof that there was a conspiracy in Dealey Plaza, in 1963. Here it is, direct and brutal, though this post cannot stay s&s *and* identify the depository shooter.
I have long been curious about one photo in "Pictures of the Pain", page 519, taken at "approximately 1:00", from half a block away, and across Houston. Too far away, for identification purposes, both from the figure in the window
floor" up.Time: a) "I saw the expended shells... I leaned out the window... I hollered... It was approaching 1 o'clock"--Deputy Sheriff Luke Mooney". (v3p284-5)
b) At 12:58 or 12:59, DPD Sgt. G.V. Harkness radioed for the Crime Lab people to come to the depository. At 12:59, the dispatcher radioed that they were enroute. (CE 1974 p41)
c) Crime Lab's Lt. Day testified, "Shortly before 1 o'clock, I received a call from the police dispatcher to go to 411 Elm St. I went out of my office almost straight up 1 o'clock." (v4p249)
Location: a) "On the 3rd floor of this book company down here, we found empty rifle hulls, and it looked like the man had been here for some time"--Insp. J.H. Sawyer. (DPD radio, CE 1974 p176)
b) "Police found the remains of fried chicken and paper on the fifth floor. Apparently, the person had been there quite a while."--Insp. Sawyer, Stockton Record (AP), 11/22/63 p8. So, for Sawyer, "3rd floor" down translated as "5th
remains in the 6th-floor "nest". But Crime Lab Det. Studebaker went along with Sawyer: He said that the remains "ought to be" in his pictures, taken on the 6th floor, but they were not. (v7p147) The 6th-floor advocates--caught between Sawyer andc) Sheriff's deputies, upstairs, were torn between 5th floor (Faulkner, Wiseman) and 6th floor (Mooney, McCurley, Weatherford). The 6th-floor advocates tried to buttress their case by saying that they saw Sawyer's 5th-floor chicken
and stated he had found some spent cartridge cases. (Decker Exhibit 5323 p531, 11/23/63)Finally, a deputy downstairs and outside completes my triangulation. Chief Criminal Deputy Allen Sweatt reported, "While I was still at the front of the building, Dep. Sheriff Luke Mooney stuck his head out of the 5th floor window
conspiracy.At about 12:58, then, Mooney stuck his head out of the SE corner window, on the 5th floor, and reported finding the spent shells. And there's the picture of him doing just that, on page 519 of Trask. And there's your 5th-floor-HQ
already there. Sims & Boyd went to Parkland, Fritz did not.You've been a great audience, thank you!
No, he didn't. Check the radio log transcriptions:He wasn`t, he went to Parkland.There's evidence of something besides a human figure in the 5th-floor "nest" in the Weaver Polaroid. There are white somethings all along the bottom of the pic.dcwEven though there was a black man firing a rifle on the 5th floor, I think Mooney discovered the 6th floor "sniper's nest." There's no evidence of piled up boxes in the photography on the 5th floor.
And certainly it would have been part of the plan to immediately pick up the expended hulls on the 5th floor.Since Fritz was up there early,
303 (Dets. R. M. Sims & E. L. Boyd) What hospital did the President go to?
Dispatcher Parkland Hospital
Dispatcher 303, where are you?
303 (Dets. R. M. Sims & E. L. Boyd) Parkland Hospital
300 (Capt. John Will Fritz) 300, en route
Dispatcher 300, are you en route to Elm and Hourson to that store?
300 En route to the hospital.
Then check Fritz's testimony & the Sims/Boyd report: Fritz testified, falsely (as you see, above), that he was with Sims & Boyd in the same car to Parkland. He was in a different car, supposedly en route to Parkland, while Sims & Boyd were
word that he was "en route"... somewhere.A lie. It says that HE says he is GOING to Parkland, not that he want. LN truth-bending time...So the radio log says he went to Parkland.So him saying he was going to the hospital means he didn`t go to the hospital?Him saying he went to the hospital is like him saying, as he did, that he went to Parkland in the same car as Boyd & Sims. The radio logs prove he did not.
He testified that he went to Parkland. Boyd testifies that Fritz went to Parkland. Sims testifies that Fritz went to Parkland.
They're his Homicide boys. What else are they going to say? Consider the source, Bud.
And to you this means he didn`t go to Parkland.
If he lied about that, you're going to believe he didn't lie about going to Parkland at all? You have to admit that he lied about how he got there, if he did. Why would he lie, in other words, about one thing and not the other? We have only his
Yet there's the truth right there in the DPD radio logs!That they lied when they testified is speculation that is a thousand times more fantastic.Sims or Boyd may have misheard or misunderstood the dispatchSpeculation.
dcwtransmissions...
I offered a possibility that requires nothing fantastic.
dcw
, thinking they were being asked where they were going. One of them answered "Parkland", and Fritz took the radio to correct that information, that they weren`t there yet, just "en route".
dcw
I think it happened pretty immediately, upon discovery. For instance, Haygood, who originally said he saw the shells with the boxes, forgot all about shells for the HSCA. He remembered inconsequential things, though.
Two of them probably were doing that when the "Powell Photo" was taken.Not *that* immediately. I think there had to be *some* basis provided for searchers seeing shells in situ, & other, phony sighters were then enlisted, like Haygood. After all, he stole, with Henslee's help, (LL) Hill's 12:37
dcw
On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 10:50:27 AM UTC-7, Bud wrote:question and the figures in the street just below. Recently, however, I realized that the figure in the window need not be identified photographically. The figure is *there*--that's all that's needed. That and the time he was there. He can be identified
On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 11:49:51 AM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 7:00:40 PM UTC-7, Bud wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 9:38:52 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 11:51:25 AM UTC-7, John Corbett wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:39:46 PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:07:30 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:15:52 AM UTC-7, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 4:02:29 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
Mooney's holler--the Rosetta stone for conspiracy
(I had a complaint here recently about over-lengthy posts, so I'll have to make this short and sweet. I aim to please.)
Both sides want to see proof that there was a conspiracy in Dealey Plaza, in 1963. Here it is, direct and brutal, though this post cannot stay s&s *and* identify the depository shooter.
I have long been curious about one photo in "Pictures of the Pain", page 519, taken at "approximately 1:00", from half a block away, and across Houston. Too far away, for identification purposes, both from the figure in the window in
floor" up.Time: a) "I saw the expended shells... I leaned out the window... I hollered... It was approaching 1 o'clock"--Deputy Sheriff Luke Mooney". (v3p284-5)
b) At 12:58 or 12:59, DPD Sgt. G.V. Harkness radioed for the Crime Lab people to come to the depository. At 12:59, the dispatcher radioed that they were enroute. (CE 1974 p41)
c) Crime Lab's Lt. Day testified, "Shortly before 1 o'clock, I received a call from the police dispatcher to go to 411 Elm St. I went out of my office almost straight up 1 o'clock." (v4p249)
Location: a) "On the 3rd floor of this book company down here, we found empty rifle hulls, and it looked like the man had been here for some time"--Insp. J.H. Sawyer. (DPD radio, CE 1974 p176)
b) "Police found the remains of fried chicken and paper on the fifth floor. Apparently, the person had been there quite a while."--Insp. Sawyer, Stockton Record (AP), 11/22/63 p8. So, for Sawyer, "3rd floor" down translated as "5th
remains in the 6th-floor "nest". But Crime Lab Det. Studebaker went along with Sawyer: He said that the remains "ought to be" in his pictures, taken on the 6th floor, but they were not. (v7p147) The 6th-floor advocates--caught between Sawyer andc) Sheriff's deputies, upstairs, were torn between 5th floor (Faulkner, Wiseman) and 6th floor (Mooney, McCurley, Weatherford). The 6th-floor advocates tried to buttress their case by saying that they saw Sawyer's 5th-floor chicken
stated he had found some spent cartridge cases. (Decker Exhibit 5323 p531, 11/23/63)Finally, a deputy downstairs and outside completes my triangulation. Chief Criminal Deputy Allen Sweatt reported, "While I was still at the front of the building, Dep. Sheriff Luke Mooney stuck his head out of the 5th floor window and
conspiracy.At about 12:58, then, Mooney stuck his head out of the SE corner window, on the 5th floor, and reported finding the spent shells. And there's the picture of him doing just that, on page 519 of Trask. And there's your 5th-floor-HQ
..You've been a great audience, thank you!
He wasn`t, he went to Parkland.There's evidence of something besides a human figure in the 5th-floor "nest" in the Weaver Polaroid. There are white somethings all along the bottom of the pic.dcwEven though there was a black man firing a rifle on the 5th floor, I think Mooney discovered the 6th floor "sniper's nest." There's no evidence of piled up boxes in the photography on the 5th floor.
And certainly it would have been part of the plan to immediately pick up the expended hulls on the 5th floor.Since Fritz was up there early,
I think it happened pretty immediately, upon discovery. For instance, Haygood, who originally said he saw the shells with the boxes, forgot all about shells for the HSCA. He remembered inconsequential things, though.
Two of them probably were doing that when the "Powell Photo" was taken.Not *that* immediately. I think there had to be *some* basis provided for searchers seeing shells in situ, & other, phony sighters were then enlisted, like Haygood. After all, he stole, with Henslee's help, (LL) Hill's 12:37 transmissions.
It is right in line with my belief that conspiracy folks play silly games with the evidence in this case. You are like a child, placing one fantastic thing on top of another to create something you find personally appealing.It's just that it goes against your firmly-held beliefs.I`ve never been able to follow them. I don`t even try any more, I still haven`t read your first post in this thread, I don`t bother because your reasoning is so tortured I can`t follow it.If somebody wanted to know what a gish gallop is, all they would have to do is read one of Don'sI have to take it back--you're a *lousy* audience. Notice how John Robot generalizes re how my posts are impossible to follow.
posts. They are the essence of what a gish gallop is. The more current vernacular is "word salad".
Whatever term is applied to them, his posts are almost impossible to follow. It's like trying to
make sense of a Jackson Pollock painting. He just throws a bunch of shit on the wall and then
tries to tell us what it means. I gave up long ago trying to follow his goofy reasoning. I'd get
migraines from trying. It's amazing how many illogical conclusions a man can pack into one
post of about a half dozen paragraphs. Whoever said you can't put ten pounds of shit in a five
pound bag never read one of Don's posts.
And you haven`t explained why it should be expected that micro-analyzing the movements of cops responding to a crime would give insight into the crime they are responding to.Their falsifying their movements suggests that they falsified their actual investigation into that crime.
dcwtestimony at face value, without bothering to check what Jackson meant by "halfway" (page 159). That made Jackson's testimony, for Mr. Robot, "impossible to follow"! I think he needs Hank's help again, poor boy...
Notice also how he does not give ONE instance of that. Perhaps he's still smarting from when Hank had to help him out to get the connection between Commission testimony and references therein to CE photos. He took the words in Bob Jackson's
dcw
On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 5:49:17 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 10:50:27 AM UTC-7, Bud wrote:
It is right in line with my belief that conspiracy folks play silly games with the evidence in this case. You are like a child, placing one fantastic thing on top of another to create something you find personally appealing.
And you haven`t explained why it should be expected that micro-analyzing the movements of cops responding to a crime would give insight into the crime they are responding to.Their falsifying their movements suggests that they falsified their actual investigation into that crime.
It only suggests that to the stupid people.
On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 5:45:29 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:in question and the figures in the street just below. Recently, however, I realized that the figure in the window need not be identified photographically. The figure is *there*--that's all that's needed. That and the time he was there. He can be
On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 9:38:36 AM UTC-7, John Corbett wrote:
On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 11:55:48 AM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 7:17:45 PM UTC-7, John Corbett wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 9:38:52 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 11:51:25 AM UTC-7, John Corbett wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:39:46 PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:07:30 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:15:52 AM UTC-7, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 4:02:29 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
Mooney's holler--the Rosetta stone for conspiracy
(I had a complaint here recently about over-lengthy posts, so I'll have to make this short and sweet. I aim to please.)
Both sides want to see proof that there was a conspiracy in Dealey Plaza, in 1963. Here it is, direct and brutal, though this post cannot stay s&s *and* identify the depository shooter.
I have long been curious about one photo in "Pictures of the Pain", page 519, taken at "approximately 1:00", from half a block away, and across Houston. Too far away, for identification purposes, both from the figure in the window
floor" up.Time: a) "I saw the expended shells... I leaned out the window... I hollered... It was approaching 1 o'clock"--Deputy Sheriff Luke Mooney". (v3p284-5)
b) At 12:58 or 12:59, DPD Sgt. G.V. Harkness radioed for the Crime Lab people to come to the depository. At 12:59, the dispatcher radioed that they were enroute. (CE 1974 p41)
c) Crime Lab's Lt. Day testified, "Shortly before 1 o'clock, I received a call from the police dispatcher to go to 411 Elm St. I went out of my office almost straight up 1 o'clock." (v4p249)
Location: a) "On the 3rd floor of this book company down here, we found empty rifle hulls, and it looked like the man had been here for some time"--Insp. J.H. Sawyer. (DPD radio, CE 1974 p176)
b) "Police found the remains of fried chicken and paper on the fifth floor. Apparently, the person had been there quite a while."--Insp. Sawyer, Stockton Record (AP), 11/22/63 p8. So, for Sawyer, "3rd floor" down translated as "5th
remains in the 6th-floor "nest". But Crime Lab Det. Studebaker went along with Sawyer: He said that the remains "ought to be" in his pictures, taken on the 6th floor, but they were not. (v7p147) The 6th-floor advocates--caught between Sawyer andc) Sheriff's deputies, upstairs, were torn between 5th floor (Faulkner, Wiseman) and 6th floor (Mooney, McCurley, Weatherford). The 6th-floor advocates tried to buttress their case by saying that they saw Sawyer's 5th-floor chicken
and stated he had found some spent cartridge cases. (Decker Exhibit 5323 p531, 11/23/63)Finally, a deputy downstairs and outside completes my triangulation. Chief Criminal Deputy Allen Sweatt reported, "While I was still at the front of the building, Dep. Sheriff Luke Mooney stuck his head out of the 5th floor window
conspiracy.At about 12:58, then, Mooney stuck his head out of the SE corner window, on the 5th floor, and reported finding the spent shells. And there's the picture of him doing just that, on page 519 of Trask. And there's your 5th-floor-HQ
transmissions...You've been a great audience, thank you!
He wasn`t, he went to Parkland.There's evidence of something besides a human figure in the 5th-floor "nest" in the Weaver Polaroid. There are white somethings all along the bottom of the pic.dcwEven though there was a black man firing a rifle on the 5th floor, I think Mooney discovered the 6th floor "sniper's nest." There's no evidence of piled up boxes in the photography on the 5th floor.
And certainly it would have been part of the plan to immediately pick up the expended hulls on the 5th floor.Since Fritz was up there early,
I think it happened pretty immediately, upon discovery. For instance, Haygood, who originally said he saw the shells with the boxes, forgot all about shells for the HSCA. He remembered inconsequential things, though.
Two of them probably were doing that when the "Powell Photo" was taken.Not *that* immediately. I think there had to be *some* basis provided for searchers seeing shells in situ, & other, phony sighters were then enlisted, like Haygood. After all, he stole, with Henslee's help, (LL) Hill's 12:37
boy...You don't need to pretend.Opinion masquerading as incisive comment.Generally, they are.If somebody wanted to know what a gish gallop is, all they would have to do is read one of Don'sI have to take it back--you're a *lousy* audience. Notice how John Robot generalizes re how my posts are impossible to follow.
posts. They are the essence of what a gish gallop is. The more current vernacular is "word salad".
Whatever term is applied to them, his posts are almost impossible to follow. It's like trying to
make sense of a Jackson Pollock painting. He just throws a bunch of shit on the wall and then
tries to tell us what it means. I gave up long ago trying to follow his goofy reasoning. I'd get
migraines from trying. It's amazing how many illogical conclusions a man can pack into one
post of about a half dozen paragraphs. Whoever said you can't put ten pounds of shit in a five
pound bag never read one of Don's posts.
Notice also how he does not give ONE instance of that.I don't need to. You provide plenty.
Are you truly ignorant or just pretending to be ignorant?Perhaps he's still smarting from when Hank had to help him out to get the connection between Commission testimony and references therein to CE photos.HUH???
He took the words in Bob Jackson's testimony at face value, without bothering to check what Jackson meant by "halfway" (page 159). That made Jackson's testimony, for Mr. Robot, "impossible to follow"! I think he needs Hank's help again, poor
window which was actually open as far as it could have been open. I suspect that Jackson is not usually thought of as a witness to a wide-open window because few people have apparently gone beyond that word "halfway" and actually looked at the photoAnother word salad.Yes, I know you'd like to forget the proof of your ignorance of Commission testimony/photo-evidence. It was an embarrassing day for you. Hank--you're little protegee needs you! Critter has no talent for argument, or reading...
I have no fucking idea what you are even talking about. As usual, your gish gallop isHere's more on your 2020 gaffe: (from alt.conspiracy.jfk 9/2/2020)
incomprehensible.
" In [Corbett's] first attack, he asserted that witness Bob Jackson's word "halfway", in his Commission testimony, "shoots down [my] argument" (7/9), ignoring the fact that Jackson indicated to counsel, as an illustration of the word "halfway", a
halfway. No one had their tape measures out on 11/22/63, except perhaps the DPD Crime Lab personnel.Next, Mr. Corbett decided that "wide open" was a "vague" term: "It doesn't mean all the way open" (7/31): It's no more vague than "halfway", which word he embraces and could, yes, mean a window which was open a few inches more or less than
better view. He fails to entertain the possibility that the assassination planners might have been sophisticated enough to reverse that logic, intentionally, the better to throw off students of Logic 1A. That is, the partially-opened window seems to haveThen Mr. Corbett admittedly followed a certain logic (8/2) when he wrote that a shooter would certainly only open the "window partially... in order to maintain partial concealment", and a mere onlooker "would have opened it all the way", for a
knowledge a couple of times" (Howard Brennan/v3p143), and by sitting "sideways on the window sill" (p144), and by having the window open so far that witness Ronald Fischer "wouldn't have been able to see past the top of his head had it not been" (v6p199).The giveaway is the fact that the suspect--contrary to what Mr. Corbett suggests--hardly maintained "partial concealment". He used that wide-open window as a stage on which he could make himself seen, by walking to and from the window "to my
is harder to dismiss. And another witness, Malcolm Couch, testified that it was his "impression that [the window] was all the way open" (v6p157). Only an impression, but it tallies with the more-definite observations of the other four. And to buy Mr.In his next volley, Mr. Corbett posited that a "few witnesses.. misremembered that the shooter had fired from a wide open window" (8/5). First, it was actually four witnesses, not a "few". A "few" might, yes, "misremember". But a chorus of four
yet that westernmost window which Jackson indicated was not "vaguely" wide open. It was wide open. Mr. Corbett giveth and Mr. Corbett taketh away, blessed be the name...."On 8/8, Mr. Corbett finally admitted that "the westernmost window on the sixth floor was wide open". Unfortunately, on 8/10, he forthwith cancelled out his admission with "we have a few vague descriptions of the shooters window as wide open". And
And admission, then, and an evasion, from M. Corbett.
There as no admission and no evasion.
You are the Forest Gump of acj. Stupid is as stupid does.appearance.
https://english-grammar-lessons.com/stupid-is-as-stupid-does-meaning/
Meaning
“Stupid is as stupid does” is a playground retort between young children that evolved into cultural use in adult society over the years. The phrase carries the meaning of someone identified as stupid through their actions rather than their
The phrase means that stupid people will do silly things, and you can single them out by looking at their methodology and results with handling tasks. However, woke groups are targeting the use of this phrase, saying that the word “stupid” isderogatory.
The description fits you perfectly.
On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 5:47:45 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:in question and the figures in the street just below. Recently, however, I realized that the figure in the window need not be identified photographically. The figure is *there*--that's all that's needed. That and the time he was there. He can be
On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 10:41:33 AM UTC-7, Bud wrote:
On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 11:48:34 AM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 6:55:49 PM UTC-7, Bud wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 9:26:20 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 6:21:34 PM UTC-7, Bud wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 7:16:14 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 9:39:46 AM UTC-7, Bud wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:07:30 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:15:52 AM UTC-7, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 4:02:29 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
Mooney's holler--the Rosetta stone for conspiracy
(I had a complaint here recently about over-lengthy posts, so I'll have to make this short and sweet. I aim to please.)
Both sides want to see proof that there was a conspiracy in Dealey Plaza, in 1963. Here it is, direct and brutal, though this post cannot stay s&s *and* identify the depository shooter.
I have long been curious about one photo in "Pictures of the Pain", page 519, taken at "approximately 1:00", from half a block away, and across Houston. Too far away, for identification purposes, both from the figure in the window
5th floor" up.Time: a) "I saw the expended shells... I leaned out the window... I hollered... It was approaching 1 o'clock"--Deputy Sheriff Luke Mooney". (v3p284-5)
b) At 12:58 or 12:59, DPD Sgt. G.V. Harkness radioed for the Crime Lab people to come to the depository. At 12:59, the dispatcher radioed that they were enroute. (CE 1974 p41)
c) Crime Lab's Lt. Day testified, "Shortly before 1 o'clock, I received a call from the police dispatcher to go to 411 Elm St. I went out of my office almost straight up 1 o'clock." (v4p249)
Location: a) "On the 3rd floor of this book company down here, we found empty rifle hulls, and it looked like the man had been here for some time"--Insp. J.H. Sawyer. (DPD radio, CE 1974 p176)
b) "Police found the remains of fried chicken and paper on the fifth floor. Apparently, the person had been there quite a while."--Insp. Sawyer, Stockton Record (AP), 11/22/63 p8. So, for Sawyer, "3rd floor" down translated as "
chicken remains in the 6th-floor "nest". But Crime Lab Det. Studebaker went along with Sawyer: He said that the remains "ought to be" in his pictures, taken on the 6th floor, but they were not. (v7p147) The 6th-floor advocates--caught between Sawyer andc) Sheriff's deputies, upstairs, were torn between 5th floor (Faulkner, Wiseman) and 6th floor (Mooney, McCurley, Weatherford). The 6th-floor advocates tried to buttress their case by saying that they saw Sawyer's 5th-floor
and stated he had found some spent cartridge cases. (Decker Exhibit 5323 p531, 11/23/63)Finally, a deputy downstairs and outside completes my triangulation. Chief Criminal Deputy Allen Sweatt reported, "While I was still at the front of the building, Dep. Sheriff Luke Mooney stuck his head out of the 5th floor window
conspiracy.At about 12:58, then, Mooney stuck his head out of the SE corner window, on the 5th floor, and reported finding the spent shells. And there's the picture of him doing just that, on page 519 of Trask. And there's your 5th-floor-HQ
were already there. Sims & Boyd went to Parkland, Fritz did not.You've been a great audience, thank you!
No, he didn't. Check the radio log transcriptions:He wasn`t, he went to Parkland.There's evidence of something besides a human figure in the 5th-floor "nest" in the Weaver Polaroid. There are white somethings all along the bottom of the pic.dcwEven though there was a black man firing a rifle on the 5th floor, I think Mooney discovered the 6th floor "sniper's nest." There's no evidence of piled up boxes in the photography on the 5th floor.
And certainly it would have been part of the plan to immediately pick up the expended hulls on the 5th floor.Since Fritz was up there early,
303 (Dets. R. M. Sims & E. L. Boyd) What hospital did the President go to?
Dispatcher Parkland Hospital
Dispatcher 303, where are you?
303 (Dets. R. M. Sims & E. L. Boyd) Parkland Hospital
300 (Capt. John Will Fritz) 300, en route
Dispatcher 300, are you en route to Elm and Hourson to that store?
300 En route to the hospital.
Then check Fritz's testimony & the Sims/Boyd report: Fritz testified, falsely (as you see, above), that he was with Sims & Boyd in the same car to Parkland. He was in a different car, supposedly en route to Parkland, while Sims & Boyd
his word that he was "en route"... somewhere.A lie. It says that HE says he is GOING to Parkland, not that he want. LN truth-bending time...So the radio log says he went to Parkland.So him saying he was going to the hospital means he didn`t go to the hospital?Him saying he went to the hospital is like him saying, as he did, that he went to Parkland in the same car as Boyd & Sims. The radio logs prove he did not.
He testified that he went to Parkland. Boyd testifies that Fritz went to Parkland. Sims testifies that Fritz went to Parkland.
They're his Homicide boys. What else are they going to say? Consider the source, Bud.
And to you this means he didn`t go to Parkland.
If he lied about that, you're going to believe he didn't lie about going to Parkland at all? You have to admit that he lied about how he got there, if he did. Why would he lie, in other words, about one thing and not the other? We have only
Where doe sit say Fritz didn`t go to Parkland in the DPD radio logs?Yet there's the truth right there in the DPD radio logs!That they lied when they testified is speculation that is a thousand times more fantastic.Sims or Boyd may have misheard or misunderstood the dispatchSpeculation.
transmissions...dcw
I offered a possibility that requires nothing fantastic.
dcw
, thinking they were being asked where they were going. One of them answered "Parkland", and Fritz took the radio to correct that information, that they weren`t there yet, just "en route".
dcw
I think it happened pretty immediately, upon discovery. For instance, Haygood, who originally said he saw the shells with the boxes, forgot all about shells for the HSCA. He remembered inconsequential things, though.
Two of them probably were doing that when the "Powell Photo" was taken.Not *that* immediately. I think there had to be *some* basis provided for searchers seeing shells in situ, & other, phony sighters were then enlisted, like Haygood. After all, he stole, with Henslee's help, (LL) Hill's 12:37
dcw
On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 2:58:40 PM UTC-7, Bud wrote:window in question and the figures in the street just below. Recently, however, I realized that the figure in the window need not be identified photographically. The figure is *there*--that's all that's needed. That and the time he was there. He can be
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On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 4:02:29 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
Mooney's holler--the Rosetta stone for conspiracy
(I had a complaint here recently about over-lengthy posts, so I'll have to make this short and sweet. I aim to please.)
Both sides want to see proof that there was a conspiracy in Dealey Plaza, in 1963. Here it is, direct and brutal, though this post cannot stay s&s *and* identify the depository shooter.
I have long been curious about one photo in "Pictures of the Pain", page 519, taken at "approximately 1:00", from half a block away, and across Houston. Too far away, for identification purposes, both from the figure in the
5th floor" up.Time: a) "I saw the expended shells... I leaned out the window... I hollered... It was approaching 1 o'clock"--Deputy Sheriff Luke Mooney". (v3p284-5)
b) At 12:58 or 12:59, DPD Sgt. G.V. Harkness radioed for the Crime Lab people to come to the depository. At 12:59, the dispatcher radioed that they were enroute. (CE 1974 p41)
c) Crime Lab's Lt. Day testified, "Shortly before 1 o'clock, I received a call from the police dispatcher to go to 411 Elm St. I went out of my office almost straight up 1 o'clock." (v4p249)
Location: a) "On the 3rd floor of this book company down here, we found empty rifle hulls, and it looked like the man had been here for some time"--Insp. J.H. Sawyer. (DPD radio, CE 1974 p176)
b) "Police found the remains of fried chicken and paper on the fifth floor. Apparently, the person had been there quite a while."--Insp. Sawyer, Stockton Record (AP), 11/22/63 p8. So, for Sawyer, "3rd floor" down translated as "
chicken remains in the 6th-floor "nest". But Crime Lab Det. Studebaker went along with Sawyer: He said that the remains "ought to be" in his pictures, taken on the 6th floor, but they were not. (v7p147) The 6th-floor advocates--caught between Sawyer andc) Sheriff's deputies, upstairs, were torn between 5th floor (Faulkner, Wiseman) and 6th floor (Mooney, McCurley, Weatherford). The 6th-floor advocates tried to buttress their case by saying that they saw Sawyer's 5th-floor
window and stated he had found some spent cartridge cases. (Decker Exhibit 5323 p531, 11/23/63)Finally, a deputy downstairs and outside completes my triangulation. Chief Criminal Deputy Allen Sweatt reported, "While I was still at the front of the building, Dep. Sheriff Luke Mooney stuck his head out of the 5th floor
HQ conspiracy.At about 12:58, then, Mooney stuck his head out of the SE corner window, on the 5th floor, and reported finding the spent shells. And there's the picture of him doing just that, on page 519 of Trask. And there's your 5th-floor-
were already there. Sims & Boyd went to Parkland, Fritz did not.You've been a great audience, thank you!
No, he didn't. Check the radio log transcriptions:He wasn`t, he went to Parkland.There's evidence of something besides a human figure in the 5th-floor "nest" in the Weaver Polaroid. There are white somethings all along the bottom of the pic.dcwEven though there was a black man firing a rifle on the 5th floor, I think Mooney discovered the 6th floor "sniper's nest." There's no evidence of piled up boxes in the photography on the 5th floor.
And certainly it would have been part of the plan to immediately pick up the expended hulls on the 5th floor.Since Fritz was up there early,
303 (Dets. R. M. Sims & E. L. Boyd) What hospital did the President go to?
Dispatcher Parkland Hospital
Dispatcher 303, where are you?
303 (Dets. R. M. Sims & E. L. Boyd) Parkland Hospital
300 (Capt. John Will Fritz) 300, en route
Dispatcher 300, are you en route to Elm and Hourson to that store?
300 En route to the hospital.
Then check Fritz's testimony & the Sims/Boyd report: Fritz testified, falsely (as you see, above), that he was with Sims & Boyd in the same car to Parkland. He was in a different car, supposedly en route to Parkland, while Sims & Boyd
his word that he was "en route"... somewhere.A lie. It says that HE says he is GOING to Parkland, not that he want. LN truth-bending time...So the radio log says he went to Parkland.So him saying he was going to the hospital means he didn`t go to the hospital?Him saying he went to the hospital is like him saying, as he did, that he went to Parkland in the same car as Boyd & Sims. The radio logs prove he did not.
He testified that he went to Parkland. Boyd testifies that Fritz went to Parkland. Sims testifies that Fritz went to Parkland.
They're his Homicide boys. What else are they going to say? Consider the source, Bud.
And to you this means he didn`t go to Parkland.
If he lied about that, you're going to believe he didn't lie about going to Parkland at all? You have to admit that he lied about how he got there, if he did. Why would he lie, in other words, about one thing and not the other? We have only
Last we heard from him he was on his way.Where doe sit say Fritz didn`t go to Parkland in the DPD radio logs?Yet there's the truth right there in the DPD radio logs!That they lied when they testified is speculation that is a thousand times more fantastic.Sims or Boyd may have misheard or misunderstood the dispatchSpeculation.
But he also said he went with Boyd & Sims, but the logs prove otherwise.
dcwtransmissions...
PS And he certainly "didn't go to Parkland in the DPD radio logs"--he would have gone in a car, if he had gone...
dcw
I offered a possibility that requires nothing fantastic.
dcw
, thinking they were being asked where they were going. One of them answered "Parkland", and Fritz took the radio to correct that information, that they weren`t there yet, just "en route".
dcw
I think it happened pretty immediately, upon discovery. For instance, Haygood, who originally said he saw the shells with the boxes, forgot all about shells for the HSCA. He remembered inconsequential things, though.
Two of them probably were doing that when the "Powell Photo" was taken.Not *that* immediately. I think there had to be *some* basis provided for searchers seeing shells in situ, & other, phony sighters were then enlisted, like Haygood. After all, he stole, with Henslee's help, (LL) Hill's 12:37
dcw
On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 2:57:53 PM UTC-7, John Corbett wrote:in question and the figures in the street just below. Recently, however, I realized that the figure in the window need not be identified photographically. The figure is *there*--that's all that's needed. That and the time he was there. He can be
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On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 9:38:36 AM UTC-7, John Corbett wrote:
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On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:15:52 AM UTC-7, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 4:02:29 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
Mooney's holler--the Rosetta stone for conspiracy
(I had a complaint here recently about over-lengthy posts, so I'll have to make this short and sweet. I aim to please.)
Both sides want to see proof that there was a conspiracy in Dealey Plaza, in 1963. Here it is, direct and brutal, though this post cannot stay s&s *and* identify the depository shooter.
I have long been curious about one photo in "Pictures of the Pain", page 519, taken at "approximately 1:00", from half a block away, and across Houston. Too far away, for identification purposes, both from the figure in the window
5th floor" up.Time: a) "I saw the expended shells... I leaned out the window... I hollered... It was approaching 1 o'clock"--Deputy Sheriff Luke Mooney". (v3p284-5)
b) At 12:58 or 12:59, DPD Sgt. G.V. Harkness radioed for the Crime Lab people to come to the depository. At 12:59, the dispatcher radioed that they were enroute. (CE 1974 p41)
c) Crime Lab's Lt. Day testified, "Shortly before 1 o'clock, I received a call from the police dispatcher to go to 411 Elm St. I went out of my office almost straight up 1 o'clock." (v4p249)
Location: a) "On the 3rd floor of this book company down here, we found empty rifle hulls, and it looked like the man had been here for some time"--Insp. J.H. Sawyer. (DPD radio, CE 1974 p176)
b) "Police found the remains of fried chicken and paper on the fifth floor. Apparently, the person had been there quite a while."--Insp. Sawyer, Stockton Record (AP), 11/22/63 p8. So, for Sawyer, "3rd floor" down translated as "
chicken remains in the 6th-floor "nest". But Crime Lab Det. Studebaker went along with Sawyer: He said that the remains "ought to be" in his pictures, taken on the 6th floor, but they were not. (v7p147) The 6th-floor advocates--caught between Sawyer andc) Sheriff's deputies, upstairs, were torn between 5th floor (Faulkner, Wiseman) and 6th floor (Mooney, McCurley, Weatherford). The 6th-floor advocates tried to buttress their case by saying that they saw Sawyer's 5th-floor
and stated he had found some spent cartridge cases. (Decker Exhibit 5323 p531, 11/23/63)Finally, a deputy downstairs and outside completes my triangulation. Chief Criminal Deputy Allen Sweatt reported, "While I was still at the front of the building, Dep. Sheriff Luke Mooney stuck his head out of the 5th floor window
conspiracy.At about 12:58, then, Mooney stuck his head out of the SE corner window, on the 5th floor, and reported finding the spent shells. And there's the picture of him doing just that, on page 519 of Trask. And there's your 5th-floor-HQ
transmissions...You've been a great audience, thank you!
He wasn`t, he went to Parkland.There's evidence of something besides a human figure in the 5th-floor "nest" in the Weaver Polaroid. There are white somethings all along the bottom of the pic.dcwEven though there was a black man firing a rifle on the 5th floor, I think Mooney discovered the 6th floor "sniper's nest." There's no evidence of piled up boxes in the photography on the 5th floor.
And certainly it would have been part of the plan to immediately pick up the expended hulls on the 5th floor.Since Fritz was up there early,
I think it happened pretty immediately, upon discovery. For instance, Haygood, who originally said he saw the shells with the boxes, forgot all about shells for the HSCA. He remembered inconsequential things, though.
Two of them probably were doing that when the "Powell Photo" was taken.Not *that* immediately. I think there had to be *some* basis provided for searchers seeing shells in situ, & other, phony sighters were then enlisted, like Haygood. After all, he stole, with Henslee's help, (LL) Hill's 12:37
poor boy...You don't need to pretend.Opinion masquerading as incisive comment.Generally, they are.If somebody wanted to know what a gish gallop is, all they would have to do is read one of Don'sI have to take it back--you're a *lousy* audience. Notice how John Robot generalizes re how my posts are impossible to follow.
posts. They are the essence of what a gish gallop is. The more current vernacular is "word salad".
Whatever term is applied to them, his posts are almost impossible to follow. It's like trying to
make sense of a Jackson Pollock painting. He just throws a bunch of shit on the wall and then
tries to tell us what it means. I gave up long ago trying to follow his goofy reasoning. I'd get
migraines from trying. It's amazing how many illogical conclusions a man can pack into one
post of about a half dozen paragraphs. Whoever said you can't put ten pounds of shit in a five
pound bag never read one of Don's posts.
Notice also how he does not give ONE instance of that.I don't need to. You provide plenty.
Are you truly ignorant or just pretending to be ignorant?Perhaps he's still smarting from when Hank had to help him out to get the connection between Commission testimony and references therein to CE photos.HUH???
He took the words in Bob Jackson's testimony at face value, without bothering to check what Jackson meant by "halfway" (page 159). That made Jackson's testimony, for Mr. Robot, "impossible to follow"! I think he needs Hank's help again,
a window which was actually open as far as it could have been open. I suspect that Jackson is not usually thought of as a witness to a wide-open window because few people have apparently gone beyond that word "halfway" and actually looked at the photoAnother word salad.Yes, I know you'd like to forget the proof of your ignorance of Commission testimony/photo-evidence. It was an embarrassing day for you. Hank--you're little protegee needs you! Critter has no talent for argument, or reading...
I have no fucking idea what you are even talking about. As usual, your gish gallop isHere's more on your 2020 gaffe: (from alt.conspiracy.jfk 9/2/2020)
incomprehensible.
" In [Corbett's] first attack, he asserted that witness Bob Jackson's word "halfway", in his Commission testimony, "shoots down [my] argument" (7/9), ignoring the fact that Jackson indicated to counsel, as an illustration of the word "halfway",
halfway. No one had their tape measures out on 11/22/63, except perhaps the DPD Crime Lab personnel.Next, Mr. Corbett decided that "wide open" was a "vague" term: "It doesn't mean all the way open" (7/31): It's no more vague than "halfway", which word he embraces and could, yes, mean a window which was open a few inches more or less than
better view. He fails to entertain the possibility that the assassination planners might have been sophisticated enough to reverse that logic, intentionally, the better to throw off students of Logic 1A. That is, the partially-opened window seems to haveThen Mr. Corbett admittedly followed a certain logic (8/2) when he wrote that a shooter would certainly only open the "window partially... in order to maintain partial concealment", and a mere onlooker "would have opened it all the way", for a
knowledge a couple of times" (Howard Brennan/v3p143), and by sitting "sideways on the window sill" (p144), and by having the window open so far that witness Ronald Fischer "wouldn't have been able to see past the top of his head had it not been" (v6p199).The giveaway is the fact that the suspect--contrary to what Mr. Corbett suggests--hardly maintained "partial concealment". He used that wide-open window as a stage on which he could make himself seen, by walking to and from the window "to my
is harder to dismiss. And another witness, Malcolm Couch, testified that it was his "impression that [the window] was all the way open" (v6p157). Only an impression, but it tallies with the more-definite observations of the other four. And to buy Mr.In his next volley, Mr. Corbett posited that a "few witnesses.. misremembered that the shooter had fired from a wide open window" (8/5). First, it was actually four witnesses, not a "few". A "few" might, yes, "misremember". But a chorus of four
And yet that westernmost window which Jackson indicated was not "vaguely" wide open. It was wide open. Mr. Corbett giveth and Mr. Corbett taketh away, blessed be the name...."On 8/8, Mr. Corbett finally admitted that "the westernmost window on the sixth floor was wide open". Unfortunately, on 8/10, he forthwith cancelled out his admission with "we have a few vague descriptions of the shooters window as wide open".
open, but the photo says otherwise, as you finally admitted. Guess your mind has degenerated in the meantime!And admission, then, and an evasion, from M. Corbett.
There as no admission and no evasion.You either have a very poor memory (and reading skills) or you're clinically insane. It took you weeks to admit that Jackson testified that the sniper's window was wide open, like the window at the far-west end of the 6th floor. He called it "halfway"
If somebody wanted to know what a gish gallop is...
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:07:30?PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:the figures in the street just below. Recently, however, I realized that the figure in the window need not be identified photographically. The figure is *there*--that's all that's needed. That and the time he was there. He can be identified by a sort of
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:15:52?AM UTC-7, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote: >>> On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 4:02:29?PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
Mooney's holler--the Rosetta stone for conspiracy
(I had a complaint here recently about over-lengthy posts, so I'll have to make this short and sweet. I aim to please.)
Both sides want to see proof that there was a conspiracy in Dealey Plaza, in 1963. Here it is, direct and brutal, though this post cannot stay s&s *and* identify the depository shooter.
I have long been curious about one photo in "Pictures of the Pain", page 519, taken at "approximately 1:00", from half a block away, and across Houston. Too far away, for identification purposes, both from the figure in the window in question and
6th-floor "nest". But Crime Lab Det. Studebaker went along with Sawyer: He said that the remains "ought to be" in his pictures, taken on the 6th floor, but they were not. (v7p147) The 6th-floor advocates--caught between Sawyer and Studebaker. The
Time: a) "I saw the expended shells... I leaned out the window... I hollered... It was approaching 1 o'clock"--Deputy Sheriff Luke Mooney". (v3p284-5)
b) At 12:58 or 12:59, DPD Sgt. G.V. Harkness radioed for the Crime Lab people to come to the depository. At 12:59, the dispatcher radioed that they were enroute. (CE 1974 p41)
c) Crime Lab's Lt. Day testified, "Shortly before 1 o'clock, I received a call from the police dispatcher to go to 411 Elm St. I went out of my office almost straight up 1 o'clock." (v4p249)
Location: a) "On the 3rd floor of this book company down here, we found empty rifle hulls, and it looked like the man had been here for some time"--Insp. J.H. Sawyer. (DPD radio, CE 1974 p176)
b) "Police found the remains of fried chicken and paper on the fifth floor. Apparently, the person had been there quite a while."--Insp. Sawyer, Stockton Record (AP), 11/22/63 p8. So, for Sawyer, "3rd floor" down translated as "5th floor" up.
c) Sheriff's deputies, upstairs, were torn between 5th floor (Faulkner, Wiseman) and 6th floor (Mooney, McCurley, Weatherford). The 6th-floor advocates tried to buttress their case by saying that they saw Sawyer's 5th-floor chicken remains in the
found some spent cartridge cases. (Decker Exhibit 5323 p531, 11/23/63)
Finally, a deputy downstairs and outside completes my triangulation. Chief Criminal Deputy Allen Sweatt reported, "While I was still at the front of the building, Dep. Sheriff Luke Mooney stuck his head out of the 5th floor window and stated he had
There's evidence of something besides a human figure in the 5th-floor "nest" in the Weaver Polaroid. There are white somethings all along the bottom of the pic.Even though there was a black man firing a rifle on the 5th floor, I think Mooney discovered the 6th floor "sniper's nest." There's no evidence of piled up boxes in the photography on the 5th floor.
At about 12:58, then, Mooney stuck his head out of the SE corner window, on the 5th floor, and reported finding the spent shells. And there's the picture of him doing just that, on page 519 of Trask. And there's your 5th-floor-HQ conspiracy.
You've been a great audience, thank you!
dcw
And certainly it would have been part of the plan to immediately pick up the expended hulls on the 5th floor.Since Fritz was up there early,
He wasn`t, he went to Parkland.
On Sat, 19 Aug 2023 18:11:13 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett
<geowri...@gmail.com> wrote:
This is what is known as picking the fly shit out of the pepper.
I'll trust your experience...
On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 10:55:50 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:window in question and the figures in the street just below. Recently, however, I realized that the figure in the window need not be identified photographically. The figure is *there*--that's all that's needed. That and the time he was there. He can be
On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 2:57:53 PM UTC-7, John Corbett wrote:
On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 5:45:29 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 9:38:36 AM UTC-7, John Corbett wrote:
On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 11:55:48 AM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 7:17:45 PM UTC-7, John Corbett wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 9:38:52 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 11:51:25 AM UTC-7, John Corbett wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:39:46 PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:07:30 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:15:52 AM UTC-7, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 4:02:29 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
Mooney's holler--the Rosetta stone for conspiracy
(I had a complaint here recently about over-lengthy posts, so I'll have to make this short and sweet. I aim to please.)
Both sides want to see proof that there was a conspiracy in Dealey Plaza, in 1963. Here it is, direct and brutal, though this post cannot stay s&s *and* identify the depository shooter.
I have long been curious about one photo in "Pictures of the Pain", page 519, taken at "approximately 1:00", from half a block away, and across Houston. Too far away, for identification purposes, both from the figure in the
5th floor" up.Time: a) "I saw the expended shells... I leaned out the window... I hollered... It was approaching 1 o'clock"--Deputy Sheriff Luke Mooney". (v3p284-5)
b) At 12:58 or 12:59, DPD Sgt. G.V. Harkness radioed for the Crime Lab people to come to the depository. At 12:59, the dispatcher radioed that they were enroute. (CE 1974 p41)
c) Crime Lab's Lt. Day testified, "Shortly before 1 o'clock, I received a call from the police dispatcher to go to 411 Elm St. I went out of my office almost straight up 1 o'clock." (v4p249)
Location: a) "On the 3rd floor of this book company down here, we found empty rifle hulls, and it looked like the man had been here for some time"--Insp. J.H. Sawyer. (DPD radio, CE 1974 p176)
b) "Police found the remains of fried chicken and paper on the fifth floor. Apparently, the person had been there quite a while."--Insp. Sawyer, Stockton Record (AP), 11/22/63 p8. So, for Sawyer, "3rd floor" down translated as "
chicken remains in the 6th-floor "nest". But Crime Lab Det. Studebaker went along with Sawyer: He said that the remains "ought to be" in his pictures, taken on the 6th floor, but they were not. (v7p147) The 6th-floor advocates--caught between Sawyer andc) Sheriff's deputies, upstairs, were torn between 5th floor (Faulkner, Wiseman) and 6th floor (Mooney, McCurley, Weatherford). The 6th-floor advocates tried to buttress their case by saying that they saw Sawyer's 5th-floor
window and stated he had found some spent cartridge cases. (Decker Exhibit 5323 p531, 11/23/63)Finally, a deputy downstairs and outside completes my triangulation. Chief Criminal Deputy Allen Sweatt reported, "While I was still at the front of the building, Dep. Sheriff Luke Mooney stuck his head out of the 5th floor
HQ conspiracy.At about 12:58, then, Mooney stuck his head out of the SE corner window, on the 5th floor, and reported finding the spent shells. And there's the picture of him doing just that, on page 519 of Trask. And there's your 5th-floor-
transmissions...You've been a great audience, thank you!
He wasn`t, he went to Parkland.There's evidence of something besides a human figure in the 5th-floor "nest" in the Weaver Polaroid. There are white somethings all along the bottom of the pic.dcwEven though there was a black man firing a rifle on the 5th floor, I think Mooney discovered the 6th floor "sniper's nest." There's no evidence of piled up boxes in the photography on the 5th floor.
And certainly it would have been part of the plan to immediately pick up the expended hulls on the 5th floor.Since Fritz was up there early,
I think it happened pretty immediately, upon discovery. For instance, Haygood, who originally said he saw the shells with the boxes, forgot all about shells for the HSCA. He remembered inconsequential things, though.
Two of them probably were doing that when the "Powell Photo" was taken.Not *that* immediately. I think there had to be *some* basis provided for searchers seeing shells in situ, & other, phony sighters were then enlisted, like Haygood. After all, he stole, with Henslee's help, (LL) Hill's 12:37
poor boy...You don't need to pretend.Opinion masquerading as incisive comment.Generally, they are.If somebody wanted to know what a gish gallop is, all they would have to do is read one of Don'sI have to take it back--you're a *lousy* audience. Notice how John Robot generalizes re how my posts are impossible to follow.
posts. They are the essence of what a gish gallop is. The more current vernacular is "word salad".
Whatever term is applied to them, his posts are almost impossible to follow. It's like trying to
make sense of a Jackson Pollock painting. He just throws a bunch of shit on the wall and then
tries to tell us what it means. I gave up long ago trying to follow his goofy reasoning. I'd get
migraines from trying. It's amazing how many illogical conclusions a man can pack into one
post of about a half dozen paragraphs. Whoever said you can't put ten pounds of shit in a five
pound bag never read one of Don's posts.
Notice also how he does not give ONE instance of that.I don't need to. You provide plenty.
Are you truly ignorant or just pretending to be ignorant?Perhaps he's still smarting from when Hank had to help him out to get the connection between Commission testimony and references therein to CE photos.HUH???
He took the words in Bob Jackson's testimony at face value, without bothering to check what Jackson meant by "halfway" (page 159). That made Jackson's testimony, for Mr. Robot, "impossible to follow"! I think he needs Hank's help again,
a window which was actually open as far as it could have been open. I suspect that Jackson is not usually thought of as a witness to a wide-open window because few people have apparently gone beyond that word "halfway" and actually looked at the photoAnother word salad.Yes, I know you'd like to forget the proof of your ignorance of Commission testimony/photo-evidence. It was an embarrassing day for you. Hank--you're little protegee needs you! Critter has no talent for argument, or reading...
I have no fucking idea what you are even talking about. As usual, your gish gallop isHere's more on your 2020 gaffe: (from alt.conspiracy.jfk 9/2/2020)
incomprehensible.
" In [Corbett's] first attack, he asserted that witness Bob Jackson's word "halfway", in his Commission testimony, "shoots down [my] argument" (7/9), ignoring the fact that Jackson indicated to counsel, as an illustration of the word "halfway",
halfway. No one had their tape measures out on 11/22/63, except perhaps the DPD Crime Lab personnel.Next, Mr. Corbett decided that "wide open" was a "vague" term: "It doesn't mean all the way open" (7/31): It's no more vague than "halfway", which word he embraces and could, yes, mean a window which was open a few inches more or less than
a better view. He fails to entertain the possibility that the assassination planners might have been sophisticated enough to reverse that logic, intentionally, the better to throw off students of Logic 1A. That is, the partially-opened window seems toThen Mr. Corbett admittedly followed a certain logic (8/2) when he wrote that a shooter would certainly only open the "window partially... in order to maintain partial concealment", and a mere onlooker "would have opened it all the way", for
knowledge a couple of times" (Howard Brennan/v3p143), and by sitting "sideways on the window sill" (p144), and by having the window open so far that witness Ronald Fischer "wouldn't have been able to see past the top of his head had it not been" (v6p199).The giveaway is the fact that the suspect--contrary to what Mr. Corbett suggests--hardly maintained "partial concealment". He used that wide-open window as a stage on which he could make himself seen, by walking to and from the window "to my
four is harder to dismiss. And another witness, Malcolm Couch, testified that it was his "impression that [the window] was all the way open" (v6p157). Only an impression, but it tallies with the more-definite observations of the other four. And to buy Mr.In his next volley, Mr. Corbett posited that a "few witnesses.. misremembered that the shooter had fired from a wide open window" (8/5). First, it was actually four witnesses, not a "few". A "few" might, yes, "misremember". But a chorus of
And yet that westernmost window which Jackson indicated was not "vaguely" wide open. It was wide open. Mr. Corbett giveth and Mr. Corbett taketh away, blessed be the name...."On 8/8, Mr. Corbett finally admitted that "the westernmost window on the sixth floor was wide open". Unfortunately, on 8/10, he forthwith cancelled out his admission with "we have a few vague descriptions of the shooters window as wide open".
open, but the photo says otherwise, as you finally admitted. Guess your mind has degenerated in the meantime!And admission, then, and an evasion, from M. Corbett.
There as no admission and no evasion.You either have a very poor memory (and reading skills) or you're clinically insane. It took you weeks to admit that Jackson testified that the sniper's window was wide open, like the window at the far-west end of the 6th floor. He called it "halfway"
At no time have I ever disputed what Jackson said.
more into it than is there. There are inconsistencies in his description of how wide open the
window was. The important thing is he placed the shooter on the 6th floor where the shells
and the rifle were found. All the witnesses placed the shooter on that floor. That trumps any
descriptions of how wide open the window was. You're just too dumb to figure that out.
On Sun, 20 Aug 2023 10:41:31 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
wrote:
That they lied when they testified is speculation that is a thousand times more fantastic.So did Bugliosi lie?
So, according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval" shape that was
"virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?
Chickenshit is TERRIFIED of this simple honest question. He knows
that Bugliosi was a moron if he truly thought this... yet you can't
get Chickenshit to publicly acknowledge that Bugliosi said this.
It's a simple "Yes" or "No" question, and Chickenshit cannot cite
where he has EVER answered it.
So it's going to keep getting asked until Chickenshit answers it.
On Sat, 19 Aug 2023 09:39:44 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>the figures in the street just below. Recently, however, I realized that the figure in the window need not be identified photographically. The figure is *there*--that's all that's needed. That and the time he was there. He can be identified by a sort of
wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:07:30?PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:15:52?AM UTC-7, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 4:02:29?PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote: >>>> Mooney's holler--the Rosetta stone for conspiracy
(I had a complaint here recently about over-lengthy posts, so I'll have to make this short and sweet. I aim to please.)
Both sides want to see proof that there was a conspiracy in Dealey Plaza, in 1963. Here it is, direct and brutal, though this post cannot stay s&s *and* identify the depository shooter.
I have long been curious about one photo in "Pictures of the Pain", page 519, taken at "approximately 1:00", from half a block away, and across Houston. Too far away, for identification purposes, both from the figure in the window in question and
6th-floor "nest". But Crime Lab Det. Studebaker went along with Sawyer: He said that the remains "ought to be" in his pictures, taken on the 6th floor, but they were not. (v7p147) The 6th-floor advocates--caught between Sawyer and Studebaker. The
Time: a) "I saw the expended shells... I leaned out the window... I hollered... It was approaching 1 o'clock"--Deputy Sheriff Luke Mooney". (v3p284-5)
b) At 12:58 or 12:59, DPD Sgt. G.V. Harkness radioed for the Crime Lab people to come to the depository. At 12:59, the dispatcher radioed that they were enroute. (CE 1974 p41)
c) Crime Lab's Lt. Day testified, "Shortly before 1 o'clock, I received a call from the police dispatcher to go to 411 Elm St. I went out of my office almost straight up 1 o'clock." (v4p249)
Location: a) "On the 3rd floor of this book company down here, we found empty rifle hulls, and it looked like the man had been here for some time"--Insp. J.H. Sawyer. (DPD radio, CE 1974 p176)
b) "Police found the remains of fried chicken and paper on the fifth floor. Apparently, the person had been there quite a while."--Insp. Sawyer, Stockton Record (AP), 11/22/63 p8. So, for Sawyer, "3rd floor" down translated as "5th floor" up.
c) Sheriff's deputies, upstairs, were torn between 5th floor (Faulkner, Wiseman) and 6th floor (Mooney, McCurley, Weatherford). The 6th-floor advocates tried to buttress their case by saying that they saw Sawyer's 5th-floor chicken remains in the
had found some spent cartridge cases. (Decker Exhibit 5323 p531, 11/23/63)
Finally, a deputy downstairs and outside completes my triangulation. Chief Criminal Deputy Allen Sweatt reported, "While I was still at the front of the building, Dep. Sheriff Luke Mooney stuck his head out of the 5th floor window and stated he
There's evidence of something besides a human figure in the 5th-floor "nest" in the Weaver Polaroid. There are white somethings all along the bottom of the pic.Even though there was a black man firing a rifle on the 5th floor, I think Mooney discovered the 6th floor "sniper's nest." There's no evidence of piled up boxes in the photography on the 5th floor.
At about 12:58, then, Mooney stuck his head out of the SE corner window, on the 5th floor, and reported finding the spent shells. And there's the picture of him doing just that, on page 519 of Trask. And there's your 5th-floor-HQ conspiracy.
You've been a great audience, thank you!
dcw
And certainly it would have been part of the plan to immediately pick up the expended hulls on the 5th floor.Since Fritz was up there early,
He wasn`t, he went to Parkland.So, according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval" shape that was
"virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?
Chickenshit is TERRIFIED of this simple honest question. He knows
that Bugliosi was a moron if he truly thought this... yet you can't
get Chickenshit to publicly acknowledge that Bugliosi said this.
It's a simple "Yes" or "No" question, and Chickenshit cannot cite
where he has EVER answered it.
So it's going to keep getting asked until Chickenshit answers it.
About what?
<snicker> Return of the swamp posting troll. He is going to use
this non sequitur as an excuse to run from every idea I express.
Why would I get mad?
On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 3:09:01 AM UTC-7, John Corbett wrote:window in question and the figures in the street just below. Recently, however, I realized that the figure in the window need not be identified photographically. The figure is *there*--that's all that's needed. That and the time he was there. He can be
On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 10:55:50 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 2:57:53 PM UTC-7, John Corbett wrote:
On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 5:45:29 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 9:38:36 AM UTC-7, John Corbett wrote:
On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 11:55:48 AM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 7:17:45 PM UTC-7, John Corbett wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 9:38:52 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 11:51:25 AM UTC-7, John Corbett wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:39:46 PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:07:30 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:15:52 AM UTC-7, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 4:02:29 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
Mooney's holler--the Rosetta stone for conspiracy
(I had a complaint here recently about over-lengthy posts, so I'll have to make this short and sweet. I aim to please.)
Both sides want to see proof that there was a conspiracy in Dealey Plaza, in 1963. Here it is, direct and brutal, though this post cannot stay s&s *and* identify the depository shooter.
I have long been curious about one photo in "Pictures of the Pain", page 519, taken at "approximately 1:00", from half a block away, and across Houston. Too far away, for identification purposes, both from the figure in the
"5th floor" up.Time: a) "I saw the expended shells... I leaned out the window... I hollered... It was approaching 1 o'clock"--Deputy Sheriff Luke Mooney". (v3p284-5)
b) At 12:58 or 12:59, DPD Sgt. G.V. Harkness radioed for the Crime Lab people to come to the depository. At 12:59, the dispatcher radioed that they were enroute. (CE 1974 p41)
c) Crime Lab's Lt. Day testified, "Shortly before 1 o'clock, I received a call from the police dispatcher to go to 411 Elm St. I went out of my office almost straight up 1 o'clock." (v4p249)
Location: a) "On the 3rd floor of this book company down here, we found empty rifle hulls, and it looked like the man had been here for some time"--Insp. J.H. Sawyer. (DPD radio, CE 1974 p176)
b) "Police found the remains of fried chicken and paper on the fifth floor. Apparently, the person had been there quite a while."--Insp. Sawyer, Stockton Record (AP), 11/22/63 p8. So, for Sawyer, "3rd floor" down translated as
chicken remains in the 6th-floor "nest". But Crime Lab Det. Studebaker went along with Sawyer: He said that the remains "ought to be" in his pictures, taken on the 6th floor, but they were not. (v7p147) The 6th-floor advocates--caught between Sawyer andc) Sheriff's deputies, upstairs, were torn between 5th floor (Faulkner, Wiseman) and 6th floor (Mooney, McCurley, Weatherford). The 6th-floor advocates tried to buttress their case by saying that they saw Sawyer's 5th-floor
window and stated he had found some spent cartridge cases. (Decker Exhibit 5323 p531, 11/23/63)Finally, a deputy downstairs and outside completes my triangulation. Chief Criminal Deputy Allen Sweatt reported, "While I was still at the front of the building, Dep. Sheriff Luke Mooney stuck his head out of the 5th floor
HQ conspiracy.At about 12:58, then, Mooney stuck his head out of the SE corner window, on the 5th floor, and reported finding the spent shells. And there's the picture of him doing just that, on page 519 of Trask. And there's your 5th-floor-
transmissions...You've been a great audience, thank you!
He wasn`t, he went to Parkland.There's evidence of something besides a human figure in the 5th-floor "nest" in the Weaver Polaroid. There are white somethings all along the bottom of the pic.dcwEven though there was a black man firing a rifle on the 5th floor, I think Mooney discovered the 6th floor "sniper's nest." There's no evidence of piled up boxes in the photography on the 5th floor.
And certainly it would have been part of the plan to immediately pick up the expended hulls on the 5th floor.Since Fritz was up there early,
I think it happened pretty immediately, upon discovery. For instance, Haygood, who originally said he saw the shells with the boxes, forgot all about shells for the HSCA. He remembered inconsequential things, though.
Two of them probably were doing that when the "Powell Photo" was taken.Not *that* immediately. I think there had to be *some* basis provided for searchers seeing shells in situ, & other, phony sighters were then enlisted, like Haygood. After all, he stole, with Henslee's help, (LL) Hill's 12:37
poor boy...You don't need to pretend.Opinion masquerading as incisive comment.Generally, they are.If somebody wanted to know what a gish gallop is, all they would have to do is read one of Don'sI have to take it back--you're a *lousy* audience. Notice how John Robot generalizes re how my posts are impossible to follow.
posts. They are the essence of what a gish gallop is. The more current vernacular is "word salad".
Whatever term is applied to them, his posts are almost impossible to follow. It's like trying to
make sense of a Jackson Pollock painting. He just throws a bunch of shit on the wall and then
tries to tell us what it means. I gave up long ago trying to follow his goofy reasoning. I'd get
migraines from trying. It's amazing how many illogical conclusions a man can pack into one
post of about a half dozen paragraphs. Whoever said you can't put ten pounds of shit in a five
pound bag never read one of Don's posts.
Notice also how he does not give ONE instance of that.I don't need to. You provide plenty.
Are you truly ignorant or just pretending to be ignorant?Perhaps he's still smarting from when Hank had to help him out to get the connection between Commission testimony and references therein to CE photos.HUH???
He took the words in Bob Jackson's testimony at face value, without bothering to check what Jackson meant by "halfway" (page 159). That made Jackson's testimony, for Mr. Robot, "impossible to follow"! I think he needs Hank's help again,
halfway", a window which was actually open as far as it could have been open. I suspect that Jackson is not usually thought of as a witness to a wide-open window because few people have apparently gone beyond that word "halfway" and actually looked atAnother word salad.Yes, I know you'd like to forget the proof of your ignorance of Commission testimony/photo-evidence. It was an embarrassing day for you. Hank--you're little protegee needs you! Critter has no talent for argument, or reading...
I have no fucking idea what you are even talking about. As usual, your gish gallop isHere's more on your 2020 gaffe: (from alt.conspiracy.jfk 9/2/2020)
incomprehensible.
" In [Corbett's] first attack, he asserted that witness Bob Jackson's word "halfway", in his Commission testimony, "shoots down [my] argument" (7/9), ignoring the fact that Jackson indicated to counsel, as an illustration of the word "
halfway. No one had their tape measures out on 11/22/63, except perhaps the DPD Crime Lab personnel.Next, Mr. Corbett decided that "wide open" was a "vague" term: "It doesn't mean all the way open" (7/31): It's no more vague than "halfway", which word he embraces and could, yes, mean a window which was open a few inches more or less than
for a better view. He fails to entertain the possibility that the assassination planners might have been sophisticated enough to reverse that logic, intentionally, the better to throw off students of Logic 1A. That is, the partially-opened window seemsThen Mr. Corbett admittedly followed a certain logic (8/2) when he wrote that a shooter would certainly only open the "window partially... in order to maintain partial concealment", and a mere onlooker "would have opened it all the way",
my knowledge a couple of times" (Howard Brennan/v3p143), and by sitting "sideways on the window sill" (p144), and by having the window open so far that witness Ronald Fischer "wouldn't have been able to see past the top of his head had it not been" (The giveaway is the fact that the suspect--contrary to what Mr. Corbett suggests--hardly maintained "partial concealment". He used that wide-open window as a stage on which he could make himself seen, by walking to and from the window "to
four is harder to dismiss. And another witness, Malcolm Couch, testified that it was his "impression that [the window] was all the way open" (v6p157). Only an impression, but it tallies with the more-definite observations of the other four. And to buy Mr.In his next volley, Mr. Corbett posited that a "few witnesses.. misremembered that the shooter had fired from a wide open window" (8/5). First, it was actually four witnesses, not a "few". A "few" might, yes, "misremember". But a chorus of
. And yet that westernmost window which Jackson indicated was not "vaguely" wide open. It was wide open. Mr. Corbett giveth and Mr. Corbett taketh away, blessed be the name...."On 8/8, Mr. Corbett finally admitted that "the westernmost window on the sixth floor was wide open". Unfortunately, on 8/10, he forthwith cancelled out his admission with "we have a few vague descriptions of the shooters window as wide open"
halfway" open, but the photo says otherwise, as you finally admitted. Guess your mind has degenerated in the meantime!And admission, then, and an evasion, from M. Corbett.
There as no admission and no evasion.You either have a very poor memory (and reading skills) or you're clinically insane. It took you weeks to admit that Jackson testified that the sniper's window was wide open, like the window at the far-west end of the 6th floor. He called it "
& Edwards, who also said "wide open". Brennan even compared the "nest" window to the window just below, which was... wide open. And Fischer testified that he couldn't have seen as much of the suspect if the window had not been open so far! There's your "At no time have I ever disputed what Jackson said.You even took his "halfway" at face value--until you deigned to look at the photo that he was referring to, a photo of a wide-open window, unlike the "nest"'s halfway-open window. Yet, you kept going back to "6th floor" witnesses, like Brennan, Fischer,
And I'm really sorry that Skythrone, Ben, & I have driven you mad...
dcw
On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 10:44:42 AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:and the figures in the street just below. Recently, however, I realized that the figure in the window need not be identified photographically. The figure is *there*--that's all that's needed. That and the time he was there. He can be identified by a sort
On Sat, 19 Aug 2023 09:39:44 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:07:30?PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote: >> On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:15:52?AM UTC-7, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 4:02:29?PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote: >>>> Mooney's holler--the Rosetta stone for conspiracy
(I had a complaint here recently about over-lengthy posts, so I'll have to make this short and sweet. I aim to please.)
Both sides want to see proof that there was a conspiracy in Dealey Plaza, in 1963. Here it is, direct and brutal, though this post cannot stay s&s *and* identify the depository shooter.
I have long been curious about one photo in "Pictures of the Pain", page 519, taken at "approximately 1:00", from half a block away, and across Houston. Too far away, for identification purposes, both from the figure in the window in question
the 6th-floor "nest". But Crime Lab Det. Studebaker went along with Sawyer: He said that the remains "ought to be" in his pictures, taken on the 6th floor, but they were not. (v7p147) The 6th-floor advocates--caught between Sawyer and Studebaker. The
Time: a) "I saw the expended shells... I leaned out the window... I hollered... It was approaching 1 o'clock"--Deputy Sheriff Luke Mooney". (v3p284-5)
b) At 12:58 or 12:59, DPD Sgt. G.V. Harkness radioed for the Crime Lab people to come to the depository. At 12:59, the dispatcher radioed that they were enroute. (CE 1974 p41)
c) Crime Lab's Lt. Day testified, "Shortly before 1 o'clock, I received a call from the police dispatcher to go to 411 Elm St. I went out of my office almost straight up 1 o'clock." (v4p249)
Location: a) "On the 3rd floor of this book company down here, we found empty rifle hulls, and it looked like the man had been here for some time"--Insp. J.H. Sawyer. (DPD radio, CE 1974 p176)
b) "Police found the remains of fried chicken and paper on the fifth floor. Apparently, the person had been there quite a while."--Insp. Sawyer, Stockton Record (AP), 11/22/63 p8. So, for Sawyer, "3rd floor" down translated as "5th floor" up.
c) Sheriff's deputies, upstairs, were torn between 5th floor (Faulkner, Wiseman) and 6th floor (Mooney, McCurley, Weatherford). The 6th-floor advocates tried to buttress their case by saying that they saw Sawyer's 5th-floor chicken remains in
had found some spent cartridge cases. (Decker Exhibit 5323 p531, 11/23/63)
Finally, a deputy downstairs and outside completes my triangulation. Chief Criminal Deputy Allen Sweatt reported, "While I was still at the front of the building, Dep. Sheriff Luke Mooney stuck his head out of the 5th floor window and stated he
There's evidence of something besides a human figure in the 5th-floor "nest" in the Weaver Polaroid. There are white somethings all along the bottom of the pic.Even though there was a black man firing a rifle on the 5th floor, I think Mooney discovered the 6th floor "sniper's nest." There's no evidence of piled up boxes in the photography on the 5th floor.
At about 12:58, then, Mooney stuck his head out of the SE corner window, on the 5th floor, and reported finding the spent shells. And there's the picture of him doing just that, on page 519 of Trask. And there's your 5th-floor-HQ conspiracy.
You've been a great audience, thank you!
dcw
And certainly it would have been part of the plan to immediately pick up the expended hulls on the 5th floor.Since Fritz was up there early,
<snicker> Return of the swamp posting troll. He is going to use this non sequitur as an excuse to run from every idea I express.He wasn`t, he went to Parkland.So, according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval" shape that was
"virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?
It's become pretty much a given that I can mark 95% of the Monday morning posts as READ
without ever bothering to read them because I know who posted them. It does save a lot of
time.
On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 11:45:08 AM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:window in question and the figures in the street just below. Recently, however, I realized that the figure in the window need not be identified photographically. The figure is *there*--that's all that's needed. That and the time he was there. He can be
On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 3:09:01 AM UTC-7, John Corbett wrote:
On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 10:55:50 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 2:57:53 PM UTC-7, John Corbett wrote:
On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 5:45:29 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 9:38:36 AM UTC-7, John Corbett wrote:
On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 11:55:48 AM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 7:17:45 PM UTC-7, John Corbett wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 9:38:52 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 11:51:25 AM UTC-7, John Corbett wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:39:46 PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:07:30 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:15:52 AM UTC-7, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 4:02:29 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
Mooney's holler--the Rosetta stone for conspiracy
(I had a complaint here recently about over-lengthy posts, so I'll have to make this short and sweet. I aim to please.)
Both sides want to see proof that there was a conspiracy in Dealey Plaza, in 1963. Here it is, direct and brutal, though this post cannot stay s&s *and* identify the depository shooter.
I have long been curious about one photo in "Pictures of the Pain", page 519, taken at "approximately 1:00", from half a block away, and across Houston. Too far away, for identification purposes, both from the figure in the
as "5th floor" up.Time: a) "I saw the expended shells... I leaned out the window... I hollered... It was approaching 1 o'clock"--Deputy Sheriff Luke Mooney". (v3p284-5)
b) At 12:58 or 12:59, DPD Sgt. G.V. Harkness radioed for the Crime Lab people to come to the depository. At 12:59, the dispatcher radioed that they were enroute. (CE 1974 p41)
c) Crime Lab's Lt. Day testified, "Shortly before 1 o'clock, I received a call from the police dispatcher to go to 411 Elm St. I went out of my office almost straight up 1 o'clock." (v4p249)
Location: a) "On the 3rd floor of this book company down here, we found empty rifle hulls, and it looked like the man had been here for some time"--Insp. J.H. Sawyer. (DPD radio, CE 1974 p176)
b) "Police found the remains of fried chicken and paper on the fifth floor. Apparently, the person had been there quite a while."--Insp. Sawyer, Stockton Record (AP), 11/22/63 p8. So, for Sawyer, "3rd floor" down translated
chicken remains in the 6th-floor "nest". But Crime Lab Det. Studebaker went along with Sawyer: He said that the remains "ought to be" in his pictures, taken on the 6th floor, but they were not. (v7p147) The 6th-floor advocates--caught between Sawyer andc) Sheriff's deputies, upstairs, were torn between 5th floor (Faulkner, Wiseman) and 6th floor (Mooney, McCurley, Weatherford). The 6th-floor advocates tried to buttress their case by saying that they saw Sawyer's 5th-floor
window and stated he had found some spent cartridge cases. (Decker Exhibit 5323 p531, 11/23/63)Finally, a deputy downstairs and outside completes my triangulation. Chief Criminal Deputy Allen Sweatt reported, "While I was still at the front of the building, Dep. Sheriff Luke Mooney stuck his head out of the 5th floor
floor-HQ conspiracy.At about 12:58, then, Mooney stuck his head out of the SE corner window, on the 5th floor, and reported finding the spent shells. And there's the picture of him doing just that, on page 519 of Trask. And there's your 5th-
transmissions...You've been a great audience, thank you!
He wasn`t, he went to Parkland.There's evidence of something besides a human figure in the 5th-floor "nest" in the Weaver Polaroid. There are white somethings all along the bottom of the pic.dcwEven though there was a black man firing a rifle on the 5th floor, I think Mooney discovered the 6th floor "sniper's nest." There's no evidence of piled up boxes in the photography on the 5th floor.
And certainly it would have been part of the plan to immediately pick up the expended hulls on the 5th floor.Since Fritz was up there early,
I think it happened pretty immediately, upon discovery. For instance, Haygood, who originally said he saw the shells with the boxes, forgot all about shells for the HSCA. He remembered inconsequential things, though.
Two of them probably were doing that when the "Powell Photo" was taken.Not *that* immediately. I think there had to be *some* basis provided for searchers seeing shells in situ, & other, phony sighters were then enlisted, like Haygood. After all, he stole, with Henslee's help, (LL) Hill's 12:37
again, poor boy...You don't need to pretend.Opinion masquerading as incisive comment.Generally, they are.If somebody wanted to know what a gish gallop is, all they would have to do is read one of Don'sI have to take it back--you're a *lousy* audience. Notice how John Robot generalizes re how my posts are impossible to follow.
posts. They are the essence of what a gish gallop is. The more current vernacular is "word salad".
Whatever term is applied to them, his posts are almost impossible to follow. It's like trying to
make sense of a Jackson Pollock painting. He just throws a bunch of shit on the wall and then
tries to tell us what it means. I gave up long ago trying to follow his goofy reasoning. I'd get
migraines from trying. It's amazing how many illogical conclusions a man can pack into one
post of about a half dozen paragraphs. Whoever said you can't put ten pounds of shit in a five
pound bag never read one of Don's posts.
Notice also how he does not give ONE instance of that.I don't need to. You provide plenty.
Are you truly ignorant or just pretending to be ignorant?Perhaps he's still smarting from when Hank had to help him out to get the connection between Commission testimony and references therein to CE photos.HUH???
He took the words in Bob Jackson's testimony at face value, without bothering to check what Jackson meant by "halfway" (page 159). That made Jackson's testimony, for Mr. Robot, "impossible to follow"! I think he needs Hank's help
halfway", a window which was actually open as far as it could have been open. I suspect that Jackson is not usually thought of as a witness to a wide-open window because few people have apparently gone beyond that word "halfway" and actually looked atAnother word salad.Yes, I know you'd like to forget the proof of your ignorance of Commission testimony/photo-evidence. It was an embarrassing day for you. Hank--you're little protegee needs you! Critter has no talent for argument, or reading...
I have no fucking idea what you are even talking about. As usual, your gish gallop isHere's more on your 2020 gaffe: (from alt.conspiracy.jfk 9/2/2020)
incomprehensible.
" In [Corbett's] first attack, he asserted that witness Bob Jackson's word "halfway", in his Commission testimony, "shoots down [my] argument" (7/9), ignoring the fact that Jackson indicated to counsel, as an illustration of the word "
than halfway. No one had their tape measures out on 11/22/63, except perhaps the DPD Crime Lab personnel.Next, Mr. Corbett decided that "wide open" was a "vague" term: "It doesn't mean all the way open" (7/31): It's no more vague than "halfway", which word he embraces and could, yes, mean a window which was open a few inches more or less
for a better view. He fails to entertain the possibility that the assassination planners might have been sophisticated enough to reverse that logic, intentionally, the better to throw off students of Logic 1A. That is, the partially-opened window seemsThen Mr. Corbett admittedly followed a certain logic (8/2) when he wrote that a shooter would certainly only open the "window partially... in order to maintain partial concealment", and a mere onlooker "would have opened it all the way",
my knowledge a couple of times" (Howard Brennan/v3p143), and by sitting "sideways on the window sill" (p144), and by having the window open so far that witness Ronald Fischer "wouldn't have been able to see past the top of his head had it not been" (The giveaway is the fact that the suspect--contrary to what Mr. Corbett suggests--hardly maintained "partial concealment". He used that wide-open window as a stage on which he could make himself seen, by walking to and from the window "to
of four is harder to dismiss. And another witness, Malcolm Couch, testified that it was his "impression that [the window] was all the way open" (v6p157). Only an impression, but it tallies with the more-definite observations of the other four. And to buyIn his next volley, Mr. Corbett posited that a "few witnesses.. misremembered that the shooter had fired from a wide open window" (8/5). First, it was actually four witnesses, not a "few". A "few" might, yes, "misremember". But a chorus
open". And yet that westernmost window which Jackson indicated was not "vaguely" wide open. It was wide open. Mr. Corbett giveth and Mr. Corbett taketh away, blessed be the name...."On 8/8, Mr. Corbett finally admitted that "the westernmost window on the sixth floor was wide open". Unfortunately, on 8/10, he forthwith cancelled out his admission with "we have a few vague descriptions of the shooters window as wide
halfway" open, but the photo says otherwise, as you finally admitted. Guess your mind has degenerated in the meantime!And admission, then, and an evasion, from M. Corbett.
There as no admission and no evasion.You either have a very poor memory (and reading skills) or you're clinically insane. It took you weeks to admit that Jackson testified that the sniper's window was wide open, like the window at the far-west end of the 6th floor. He called it "
Fischer, & Edwards, who also said "wide open". Brennan even compared the "nest" window to the window just below, which was... wide open. And Fischer testified that he couldn't have seen as much of the suspect if the window had not been open so far! There'At no time have I ever disputed what Jackson said.You even took his "halfway" at face value--until you deigned to look at the photo that he was referring to, a photo of a wide-open window, unlike the "nest"'s halfway-open window. Yet, you kept going back to "6th floor" witnesses, like Brennan,
And I'm really sorry that Skythrone, Ben, & I have driven you mad...
dcwWhy would I get mad?
Seat write. Your silly fixation to the non-specific wide open description
which blinds you to all the forensic evidence
6th floor can only be described as bizarre.
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 9:39:46 AM UTC-7, Bud wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:07:30 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
Since Fritz was up there early,
He wasn`t, he went to Parkland.
No, he didn't. Check the radio log transcriptions:
303 (Dets. R. M. Sims & E. L. Boyd) What hospital did the President go to? Dispatcher Parkland Hospitalthere. Sims & Boyd went to Parkland, Fritz did not.
Dispatcher 303, where are you?
303 (Dets. R. M. Sims & E. L. Boyd) Parkland Hospital
300 (Capt. John Will Fritz) 300, en route
Dispatcher 300, are you en route to Elm and Hourson to that store?
300 En route to the hospital.
Then check Fritz's testimony & the Sims/Boyd report: Fritz testified, falsely (as you see, above), that he was with Sims & Boyd in the same car to Parkland. He was in a different car, supposedly en route to Parkland, while Sims & Boyd were already
On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 8:53:47 AM UTC-7, John Corbett wrote:the window in question and the figures in the street just below. Recently, however, I realized that the figure in the window need not be identified photographically. The figure is *there*--that's all that's needed. That and the time he was there. He can
On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 11:45:08 AM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 3:09:01 AM UTC-7, John Corbett wrote:
On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 10:55:50 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 2:57:53 PM UTC-7, John Corbett wrote:
On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 5:45:29 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 9:38:36 AM UTC-7, John Corbett wrote:
On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 11:55:48 AM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 7:17:45 PM UTC-7, John Corbett wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 9:38:52 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 11:51:25 AM UTC-7, John Corbett wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:39:46 PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:07:30 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:15:52 AM UTC-7, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 4:02:29 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
Mooney's holler--the Rosetta stone for conspiracy
(I had a complaint here recently about over-lengthy posts, so I'll have to make this short and sweet. I aim to please.)
Both sides want to see proof that there was a conspiracy in Dealey Plaza, in 1963. Here it is, direct and brutal, though this post cannot stay s&s *and* identify the depository shooter.
I have long been curious about one photo in "Pictures of the Pain", page 519, taken at "approximately 1:00", from half a block away, and across Houston. Too far away, for identification purposes, both from the figure in
translated as "5th floor" up.Time: a) "I saw the expended shells... I leaned out the window... I hollered... It was approaching 1 o'clock"--Deputy Sheriff Luke Mooney". (v3p284-5)
b) At 12:58 or 12:59, DPD Sgt. G.V. Harkness radioed for the Crime Lab people to come to the depository. At 12:59, the dispatcher radioed that they were enroute. (CE 1974 p41)
c) Crime Lab's Lt. Day testified, "Shortly before 1 o'clock, I received a call from the police dispatcher to go to 411 Elm St. I went out of my office almost straight up 1 o'clock." (v4p249)
Location: a) "On the 3rd floor of this book company down here, we found empty rifle hulls, and it looked like the man had been here for some time"--Insp. J.H. Sawyer. (DPD radio, CE 1974 p176)
b) "Police found the remains of fried chicken and paper on the fifth floor. Apparently, the person had been there quite a while."--Insp. Sawyer, Stockton Record (AP), 11/22/63 p8. So, for Sawyer, "3rd floor" down
floor chicken remains in the 6th-floor "nest". But Crime Lab Det. Studebaker went along with Sawyer: He said that the remains "ought to be" in his pictures, taken on the 6th floor, but they were not. (v7p147) The 6th-floor advocates--caught betweenc) Sheriff's deputies, upstairs, were torn between 5th floor (Faulkner, Wiseman) and 6th floor (Mooney, McCurley, Weatherford). The 6th-floor advocates tried to buttress their case by saying that they saw Sawyer's 5th-
floor window and stated he had found some spent cartridge cases. (Decker Exhibit 5323 p531, 11/23/63)Finally, a deputy downstairs and outside completes my triangulation. Chief Criminal Deputy Allen Sweatt reported, "While I was still at the front of the building, Dep. Sheriff Luke Mooney stuck his head out of the 5th
floor-HQ conspiracy.At about 12:58, then, Mooney stuck his head out of the SE corner window, on the 5th floor, and reported finding the spent shells. And there's the picture of him doing just that, on page 519 of Trask. And there's your 5th-
transmissions...You've been a great audience, thank you!
He wasn`t, he went to Parkland.There's evidence of something besides a human figure in the 5th-floor "nest" in the Weaver Polaroid. There are white somethings all along the bottom of the pic.dcwEven though there was a black man firing a rifle on the 5th floor, I think Mooney discovered the 6th floor "sniper's nest." There's no evidence of piled up boxes in the photography on the 5th floor.
And certainly it would have been part of the plan to immediately pick up the expended hulls on the 5th floor.Since Fritz was up there early,
I think it happened pretty immediately, upon discovery. For instance, Haygood, who originally said he saw the shells with the boxes, forgot all about shells for the HSCA. He remembered inconsequential things, though.
Two of them probably were doing that when the "Powell Photo" was taken.Not *that* immediately. I think there had to be *some* basis provided for searchers seeing shells in situ, & other, phony sighters were then enlisted, like Haygood. After all, he stole, with Henslee's help, (LL) Hill's 12:37
again, poor boy...You don't need to pretend.Opinion masquerading as incisive comment.Generally, they are.If somebody wanted to know what a gish gallop is, all they would have to do is read one of Don'sI have to take it back--you're a *lousy* audience. Notice how John Robot generalizes re how my posts are impossible to follow.
posts. They are the essence of what a gish gallop is. The more current vernacular is "word salad".
Whatever term is applied to them, his posts are almost impossible to follow. It's like trying to
make sense of a Jackson Pollock painting. He just throws a bunch of shit on the wall and then
tries to tell us what it means. I gave up long ago trying to follow his goofy reasoning. I'd get
migraines from trying. It's amazing how many illogical conclusions a man can pack into one
post of about a half dozen paragraphs. Whoever said you can't put ten pounds of shit in a five
pound bag never read one of Don's posts.
Notice also how he does not give ONE instance of that.I don't need to. You provide plenty.
Are you truly ignorant or just pretending to be ignorant?Perhaps he's still smarting from when Hank had to help him out to get the connection between Commission testimony and references therein to CE photos.HUH???
He took the words in Bob Jackson's testimony at face value, without bothering to check what Jackson meant by "halfway" (page 159). That made Jackson's testimony, for Mr. Robot, "impossible to follow"! I think he needs Hank's help
halfway", a window which was actually open as far as it could have been open. I suspect that Jackson is not usually thought of as a witness to a wide-open window because few people have apparently gone beyond that word "halfway" and actually looked atAnother word salad.Yes, I know you'd like to forget the proof of your ignorance of Commission testimony/photo-evidence. It was an embarrassing day for you. Hank--you're little protegee needs you! Critter has no talent for argument, or reading...
I have no fucking idea what you are even talking about. As usual, your gish gallop isHere's more on your 2020 gaffe: (from alt.conspiracy.jfk 9/2/2020)
incomprehensible.
" In [Corbett's] first attack, he asserted that witness Bob Jackson's word "halfway", in his Commission testimony, "shoots down [my] argument" (7/9), ignoring the fact that Jackson indicated to counsel, as an illustration of the word "
than halfway. No one had their tape measures out on 11/22/63, except perhaps the DPD Crime Lab personnel.Next, Mr. Corbett decided that "wide open" was a "vague" term: "It doesn't mean all the way open" (7/31): It's no more vague than "halfway", which word he embraces and could, yes, mean a window which was open a few inches more or less
for a better view. He fails to entertain the possibility that the assassination planners might have been sophisticated enough to reverse that logic, intentionally, the better to throw off students of Logic 1A. That is, the partially-opened window seemsThen Mr. Corbett admittedly followed a certain logic (8/2) when he wrote that a shooter would certainly only open the "window partially... in order to maintain partial concealment", and a mere onlooker "would have opened it all the way",
to my knowledge a couple of times" (Howard Brennan/v3p143), and by sitting "sideways on the window sill" (p144), and by having the window open so far that witness Ronald Fischer "wouldn't have been able to see past the top of his head had it not been" (The giveaway is the fact that the suspect--contrary to what Mr. Corbett suggests--hardly maintained "partial concealment". He used that wide-open window as a stage on which he could make himself seen, by walking to and from the window "
of four is harder to dismiss. And another witness, Malcolm Couch, testified that it was his "impression that [the window] was all the way open" (v6p157). Only an impression, but it tallies with the more-definite observations of the other four. And to buyIn his next volley, Mr. Corbett posited that a "few witnesses.. misremembered that the shooter had fired from a wide open window" (8/5). First, it was actually four witnesses, not a "few". A "few" might, yes, "misremember". But a chorus
open". And yet that westernmost window which Jackson indicated was not "vaguely" wide open. It was wide open. Mr. Corbett giveth and Mr. Corbett taketh away, blessed be the name...."On 8/8, Mr. Corbett finally admitted that "the westernmost window on the sixth floor was wide open". Unfortunately, on 8/10, he forthwith cancelled out his admission with "we have a few vague descriptions of the shooters window as wide
halfway" open, but the photo says otherwise, as you finally admitted. Guess your mind has degenerated in the meantime!And admission, then, and an evasion, from M. Corbett.
There as no admission and no evasion.You either have a very poor memory (and reading skills) or you're clinically insane. It took you weeks to admit that Jackson testified that the sniper's window was wide open, like the window at the far-west end of the 6th floor. He called it "
Fischer, & Edwards, who also said "wide open". Brennan even compared the "nest" window to the window just below, which was... wide open. And Fischer testified that he couldn't have seen as much of the suspect if the window had not been open so far! There'At no time have I ever disputed what Jackson said.You even took his "halfway" at face value--until you deigned to look at the photo that he was referring to, a photo of a wide-open window, unlike the "nest"'s halfway-open window. Yet, you kept going back to "6th floor" witnesses, like Brennan,
...shooter was on the 6th floor where all the physical evidence was as well.And I'm really sorry that Skythrone, Ben, & I have driven you mad...
No. You can't grasp the simplest things. Not "get mad", GO MAD. As in, You went certifiably mad, as it appears you have. Poor Johnny...dcwWhy would I get mad?
I ignore Yellowpanties and I laugh at the silly things you and the Toilet
Seat write. Your silly fixation to the non-specific wide open descriptionYou've tried that one before. And I've replied... Brennan & Jackson were VERY specific--they said that the...
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 6:16:14 PM UTC-5, donald willis wrote:there. Sims & Boyd went to Parkland, Fritz did not.
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 9:39:46 AM UTC-7, Bud wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:07:30 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
Since Fritz was up there early,
He wasn`t, he went to Parkland.No, he didn't. Check the radio log transcriptions:
303 (Dets. R. M. Sims & E. L. Boyd) What hospital did the President go to? Dispatcher Parkland Hospital
Dispatcher 303, where are you?
303 (Dets. R. M. Sims & E. L. Boyd) Parkland Hospital
300 (Capt. John Will Fritz) 300, en route
Dispatcher 300, are you en route to Elm and Hourson to that store?
300 En route to the hospital.
Then check Fritz's testimony & the Sims/Boyd report: Fritz testified, falsely (as you see, above), that he was with Sims & Boyd in the same car to Parkland. He was in a different car, supposedly en route to Parkland, while Sims & Boyd were already
Use your head, Dave. If Sims and Boyd were already at Parkland Hospital, then they wouldn't have needed to ask what hospital the President had
been taken to. The motorcade's presence wasn't exactly a stealth affair after all!
Michael O'Dell generated a reconstruction of the Channel 2 traffic between 12:15 and 12:46. This was necessary because the existing Channel 2 recordings were marred by repeated skips and repeats, a legacy of the
Gray Audiograph recording system originally used to capture the radio traffic for posterity. O'Dell took the FBI phonograph copy of the Ch 2 traffic, which is free of skips and repeats at the cost of being variable speed, and generated the timing for the various transmissions from it.
He then made a reconstruction of the Ch 2 traffic using the best available copies of each transmission placing them time-wise using the timing he'd come up with. In his reconstruction, this is what the 12:40 conversation between the dispatcher and 303 looks like in black and white:
303: 303
Disp: 10-4. 12:40 [This is in response to 295's previous transmission regarding the president's wounds]
Disp: 303
303: What hospital did the president go to?
Disp: Parkland Hospital
303: 10-4
Disp: Where are you?
303: 300's en route
Disp: 10-4
Disp: Is 300 route en route to Elm and Field at that, uh, correction, Elm and Houston at that store?
303: En route to the hospital
Disp: 10-4
This conversation makes more sense than the FBI version.
The FBI transcriptionist may have been confused by a skip/repeat
on the media he/she was using. Also, the voice saying "300's en
route" is the same one as the "303" transmissions. The
transcriptionist assumed from the message's content that it was
sent by Fritz himself, but that is not the case.
It's wise not to take any of the transcripts in the WCH as perfect verbatim.
On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 10:07:20 PM UTC-4, recip...@gmail.com wrote:there. Sims & Boyd went to Parkland, Fritz did not.
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 6:16:14 PM UTC-5, donald willis wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 9:39:46 AM UTC-7, Bud wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:07:30 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
Since Fritz was up there early,
He wasn`t, he went to Parkland.No, he didn't. Check the radio log transcriptions:
303 (Dets. R. M. Sims & E. L. Boyd) What hospital did the President go to?
Dispatcher Parkland Hospital
Dispatcher 303, where are you?
303 (Dets. R. M. Sims & E. L. Boyd) Parkland Hospital
300 (Capt. John Will Fritz) 300, en route
Dispatcher 300, are you en route to Elm and Hourson to that store?
300 En route to the hospital.
Then check Fritz's testimony & the Sims/Boyd report: Fritz testified, falsely (as you see, above), that he was with Sims & Boyd in the same car to Parkland. He was in a different car, supposedly en route to Parkland, while Sims & Boyd were already
Use your head, Dave. If Sims and Boyd were already at Parkland Hospital, then they wouldn't have needed to ask what hospital the President had
been taken to. The motorcade's presence wasn't exactly a stealth affair after all!
Michael O'Dell generated a reconstruction of the Channel 2 traffic between 12:15 and 12:46. This was necessary because the existing Channel 2 recordings were marred by repeated skips and repeats, a legacy of the
Gray Audiograph recording system originally used to capture the radio traffic for posterity. O'Dell took the FBI phonograph copy of the Ch 2 traffic, which is free of skips and repeats at the cost of being variable speed, and generated the timing for the various transmissions from it.
He then made a reconstruction of the Ch 2 traffic using the best available copies of each transmission placing them time-wise using the timing he'd come up with. In his reconstruction, this is what the 12:40 conversation between the dispatcher and 303 looks like in black and white:
303: 303
Disp: 10-4. 12:40 [This is in response to 295's previous transmission regarding the president's wounds]
Disp: 303
303: What hospital did the president go to?
Disp: Parkland Hospital
303: 10-4
Disp: Where are you?
303: 300's en route
Disp: 10-4
Disp: Is 300 route en route to Elm and Field at that, uh, correction, Elm and Houston at that store?
303: En route to the hospital
Disp: 10-4
This conversation makes more sense than the FBI version.
The FBI transcriptionist may have been confused by a skip/repeat
on the media he/she was using. Also, the voice saying "300's en
route" is the same one as the "303" transmissions. The
transcriptionist assumed from the message's content that it was
sent by Fritz himself, but that is not the case.
It's wise not to take any of the transcripts in the WCH as perfect verbatim.That's right! Use your head, "Dave(?)." Why listen to the original recording when you can read Dog Boy's "black and white" version of Michael O'Dell's "reconstruction.!" What could go wrong?
On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 1:27:31 AM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:already there. Sims & Boyd went to Parkland, Fritz did not.
On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 10:07:20 PM UTC-4, recip...@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 6:16:14 PM UTC-5, donald willis wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 9:39:46 AM UTC-7, Bud wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:07:30 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
Since Fritz was up there early,
He wasn`t, he went to Parkland.No, he didn't. Check the radio log transcriptions:
303 (Dets. R. M. Sims & E. L. Boyd) What hospital did the President go to?
Dispatcher Parkland Hospital
Dispatcher 303, where are you?
303 (Dets. R. M. Sims & E. L. Boyd) Parkland Hospital
300 (Capt. John Will Fritz) 300, en route
Dispatcher 300, are you en route to Elm and Hourson to that store?
300 En route to the hospital.
Then check Fritz's testimony & the Sims/Boyd report: Fritz testified, falsely (as you see, above), that he was with Sims & Boyd in the same car to Parkland. He was in a different car, supposedly en route to Parkland, while Sims & Boyd were
Use your head, Dave. If Sims and Boyd were already at Parkland Hospital, then they wouldn't have needed to ask what hospital the President had been taken to. The motorcade's presence wasn't exactly a stealth affair after all!
Michael O'Dell generated a reconstruction of the Channel 2 traffic between
12:15 and 12:46. This was necessary because the existing Channel 2 recordings were marred by repeated skips and repeats, a legacy of the Gray Audiograph recording system originally used to capture the radio traffic for posterity. O'Dell took the FBI phonograph copy of the Ch 2 traffic, which is free of skips and repeats at the cost of being variable
speed, and generated the timing for the various transmissions from it. He then made a reconstruction of the Ch 2 traffic using the best available
copies of each transmission placing them time-wise using the timing he'd come up with. In his reconstruction, this is what the 12:40 conversation between the dispatcher and 303 looks like in black and white:
303: 303
Disp: 10-4. 12:40 [This is in response to 295's previous transmission regarding the president's wounds]
Disp: 303
303: What hospital did the president go to?
Disp: Parkland Hospital
303: 10-4
Disp: Where are you?
303: 300's en route
Disp: 10-4
Disp: Is 300 route en route to Elm and Field at that, uh, correction, Elm and Houston at that store?
303: En route to the hospital
Disp: 10-4
This conversation makes more sense than the FBI version.
The FBI transcriptionist may have been confused by a skip/repeat
on the media he/she was using. Also, the voice saying "300's en
route" is the same one as the "303" transmissions. The
transcriptionist assumed from the message's content that it was
sent by Fritz himself, but that is not the case.
A transcript is not an original recording.It's wise not to take any of the transcripts in the WCH as perfect verbatim.That's right! Use your head, "Dave(?)." Why listen to the original recording when you can read Dog Boy's "black and white" version of Michael O'Dell's "reconstruction.!" What could go wrong?
On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 1:27:31?AM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:there. Sims & Boyd went to Parkland, Fritz did not.
On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 10:07:20?PM UTC-4, recip...@gmail.com wrote: >>> On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 6:16:14?PM UTC-5, donald willis wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 9:39:46?AM UTC-7, Bud wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:07:30?PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote: >>>
Since Fritz was up there early,
He wasn`t, he went to Parkland.No, he didn't. Check the radio log transcriptions:
303 (Dets. R. M. Sims & E. L. Boyd) What hospital did the President go to? >>>> Dispatcher Parkland Hospital
Dispatcher 303, where are you?
303 (Dets. R. M. Sims & E. L. Boyd) Parkland Hospital
300 (Capt. John Will Fritz) 300, en route
Dispatcher 300, are you en route to Elm and Hourson to that store?
300 En route to the hospital.
Then check Fritz's testimony & the Sims/Boyd report: Fritz testified, falsely (as you see, above), that he was with Sims & Boyd in the same car to Parkland. He was in a different car, supposedly en route to Parkland, while Sims & Boyd were already
That's right! Use your head, "Dave(?)." Why listen to the original recording when you can read Dog Boy's "black and white" version of Michael O'Dell's "reconstruction.!" What could go wrong?
Use your head, Dave. If Sims and Boyd were already at Parkland Hospital, >>> then they wouldn't have needed to ask what hospital the President had
been taken to. The motorcade's presence wasn't exactly a stealth affair
after all!
Michael O'Dell generated a reconstruction of the Channel 2 traffic between >>> 12:15 and 12:46. This was necessary because the existing Channel 2
recordings were marred by repeated skips and repeats, a legacy of the
Gray Audiograph recording system originally used to capture the radio
traffic for posterity. O'Dell took the FBI phonograph copy of the Ch 2
traffic, which is free of skips and repeats at the cost of being variable >>> speed, and generated the timing for the various transmissions from it.
He then made a reconstruction of the Ch 2 traffic using the best available >>> copies of each transmission placing them time-wise using the timing he'd >>> come up with. In his reconstruction, this is what the 12:40 conversation >>> between the dispatcher and 303 looks like in black and white:
303: 303
Disp: 10-4. 12:40 [This is in response to 295's previous transmission regarding the president's wounds]
Disp: 303
303: What hospital did the president go to?
Disp: Parkland Hospital
303: 10-4
Disp: Where are you?
303: 300's en route
Disp: 10-4
Disp: Is 300 route en route to Elm and Field at that, uh, correction, Elm and Houston at that store?
303: En route to the hospital
Disp: 10-4
This conversation makes more sense than the FBI version.
The FBI transcriptionist may have been confused by a skip/repeat
on the media he/she was using. Also, the voice saying "300's en
route" is the same one as the "303" transmissions. The
transcriptionist assumed from the message's content that it was
sent by Fritz himself, but that is not the case.
It's wise not to take any of the transcripts in the WCH as perfect verbatim.
A transcript is not an original recording.
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 6:16:14 PM UTC-5, donald willis wrote:there. Sims & Boyd went to Parkland, Fritz did not.
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 9:39:46 AM UTC-7, Bud wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:07:30 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
Since Fritz was up there early,
He wasn`t, he went to Parkland.No, he didn't. Check the radio log transcriptions:
303 (Dets. R. M. Sims & E. L. Boyd) What hospital did the President go to? Dispatcher Parkland Hospital
Dispatcher 303, where are you?
303 (Dets. R. M. Sims & E. L. Boyd) Parkland Hospital
300 (Capt. John Will Fritz) 300, en route
Dispatcher 300, are you en route to Elm and Hourson to that store?
300 En route to the hospital.
Then check Fritz's testimony & the Sims/Boyd report: Fritz testified, falsely (as you see, above), that he was with Sims & Boyd in the same car to Parkland. He was in a different car, supposedly en route to Parkland, while Sims & Boyd were already
Use your head, Dave. If Sims and Boyd were already at Parkland Hospital, then they wouldn't have needed to ask what hospital the President had
been taken to. The motorcade's presence wasn't exactly a stealth affair after all!
Michael O'Dell generated a reconstruction of the Channel 2 traffic between 12:15 and 12:46. This was necessary because the existing Channel 2 recordings were marred by repeated skips and repeats, a legacy of the
Gray Audiograph recording system originally used to capture the radio traffic for posterity. O'Dell took the FBI phonograph copy of the Ch 2 traffic, which is free of skips and repeats at the cost of being variable speed, and generated the timing for the various transmissions from it.
He then made a reconstruction of the Ch 2 traffic using the best available copies of each transmission placing them time-wise using the timing he'd come up with. In his reconstruction, this is what the 12:40 conversation between the dispatcher and 303 looks like in black and white:
303: 303
Disp: 10-4. 12:40 [This is in response to 295's previous transmission regarding the president's wounds]
Disp: 303
303: What hospital did the president go to?
Disp: Parkland Hospital
303: 10-4
Disp: Where are you?
303: 300's en route
Disp: 10-4
Disp: Is 300 route en route to Elm and Field at that, uh, correction, Elm and Houston at that store?
303: En route to the hospital
Disp: 10-4
This conversation makes more sense than the FBI version.
The FBI transcriptionist may have been confused by a skip/repeat
on the media he/she was using. Also, the voice saying "300's en
route" is the same one as the "303" transmissions. The
transcriptionist assumed from the message's content that it was
sent by Fritz himself, but that is not the case.
It's wise not to take any of the transcripts in the WCH as perfect verbatim.
On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 7:07:20 PM UTC-7, recip...@gmail.com wrote:there. Sims & Boyd went to Parkland, Fritz did not.
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 6:16:14 PM UTC-5, donald willis wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 9:39:46 AM UTC-7, Bud wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:07:30 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
Since Fritz was up there early,
He wasn`t, he went to Parkland.No, he didn't. Check the radio log transcriptions:
303 (Dets. R. M. Sims & E. L. Boyd) What hospital did the President go to?
Dispatcher Parkland Hospital
Dispatcher 303, where are you?
303 (Dets. R. M. Sims & E. L. Boyd) Parkland Hospital
300 (Capt. John Will Fritz) 300, en route
Dispatcher 300, are you en route to Elm and Hourson to that store?
300 En route to the hospital.
Then check Fritz's testimony & the Sims/Boyd report: Fritz testified, falsely (as you see, above), that he was with Sims & Boyd in the same car to Parkland. He was in a different car, supposedly en route to Parkland, while Sims & Boyd were already
between the curb & the hospital..." (v4p204)Use your head, Dave. If Sims and Boyd were already at Parkland Hospital, then they wouldn't have needed to ask what hospital the President had
been taken to. The motorcade's presence wasn't exactly a stealth affair after all!
Michael O'Dell generated a reconstruction of the Channel 2 traffic between 12:15 and 12:46. This was necessary because the existing Channel 2 recordings were marred by repeated skips and repeats, a legacy of the
Gray Audiograph recording system originally used to capture the radio traffic for posterity. O'Dell took the FBI phonograph copy of the Ch 2 traffic, which is free of skips and repeats at the cost of being variable speed, and generated the timing for the various transmissions from it.
He then made a reconstruction of the Ch 2 traffic using the best available copies of each transmission placing them time-wise using the timing he'd come up with. In his reconstruction, this is what the 12:40 conversation between the dispatcher and 303 looks like in black and white:
303: 303
Disp: 10-4. 12:40 [This is in response to 295's previous transmission regarding the president's wounds]
Disp: 303
303: What hospital did the president go to?
Disp: Parkland Hospital
303: 10-4
Disp: Where are you?
303: 300's en route
Disp: 10-4
Disp: Is 300 route en route to Elm and Field at that, uh, correction, Elm and Houston at that store?
303: En route to the hospital
Disp: 10-4
This conversation makes more sense than the FBI version.
The FBI transcriptionist may have been confused by a skip/repeat
on the media he/she was using. Also, the voice saying "300's en
route" is the same one as the "303" transmissions. The
transcriptionist assumed from the message's content that it was
sent by Fritz himself, but that is not the case.
It's wise not to take any of the transcripts in the WCH as perfect verbatim.Good. Let's skip the intricacies of the radio logs/transcriptions and go right to the sources--Fritz and Curry, in their testimony.
Fritz: "I told the two officers with me, Mr. Sims & Boyd that we would run to our police car... We went to Parkland Hospital as we had been instructed, and as we drove up in front of the hospital, we, I suppose, intercepted the chief, Chief Curry,
Curry: "[Lumpkin] asked me at the hospital if I didn't want him to go back to the depository, and I told him yes..." (v4p162) Curry does not mention Fritz at the hospital.
Curry again (from his book, "JFK Assassination File", p51): "Immediately after my arrival at the hospital, I had sent Deputy Chief Lumpkin with some Homicide detectives back to the Elm & Houston location..." Again, Curry does not mention seeing Fritzat Parkland. In fact, he confirms that the detectives were on their own, not with their Captain, and that he sent them with Lumpkin, not Fritz, to the depository. Fritz "supposed" wrong about "intercepting" Curry...
On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 7:07:20 PM UTC-7, recip...@gmail.com wrote:there. Sims & Boyd went to Parkland, Fritz did not.
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 6:16:14 PM UTC-5, donald willis wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 9:39:46 AM UTC-7, Bud wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:07:30 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
Since Fritz was up there early,
He wasn`t, he went to Parkland.No, he didn't. Check the radio log transcriptions:
303 (Dets. R. M. Sims & E. L. Boyd) What hospital did the President go to?
Dispatcher Parkland Hospital
Dispatcher 303, where are you?
303 (Dets. R. M. Sims & E. L. Boyd) Parkland Hospital
300 (Capt. John Will Fritz) 300, en route
Dispatcher 300, are you en route to Elm and Hourson to that store?
300 En route to the hospital.
Then check Fritz's testimony & the Sims/Boyd report: Fritz testified, falsely (as you see, above), that he was with Sims & Boyd in the same car to Parkland. He was in a different car, supposedly en route to Parkland, while Sims & Boyd were already
between the curb & the hospital..." (v4p204)Use your head, Dave. If Sims and Boyd were already at Parkland Hospital, then they wouldn't have needed to ask what hospital the President had
been taken to. The motorcade's presence wasn't exactly a stealth affair after all!
Michael O'Dell generated a reconstruction of the Channel 2 traffic between 12:15 and 12:46. This was necessary because the existing Channel 2 recordings were marred by repeated skips and repeats, a legacy of the
Gray Audiograph recording system originally used to capture the radio traffic for posterity. O'Dell took the FBI phonograph copy of the Ch 2 traffic, which is free of skips and repeats at the cost of being variable speed, and generated the timing for the various transmissions from it.
He then made a reconstruction of the Ch 2 traffic using the best available copies of each transmission placing them time-wise using the timing he'd come up with. In his reconstruction, this is what the 12:40 conversation between the dispatcher and 303 looks like in black and white:
303: 303
Disp: 10-4. 12:40 [This is in response to 295's previous transmission regarding the president's wounds]
Disp: 303
303: What hospital did the president go to?
Disp: Parkland Hospital
303: 10-4
Disp: Where are you?
303: 300's en route
Disp: 10-4
Disp: Is 300 route en route to Elm and Field at that, uh, correction, Elm and Houston at that store?
303: En route to the hospital
Disp: 10-4
This conversation makes more sense than the FBI version.
The FBI transcriptionist may have been confused by a skip/repeat
on the media he/she was using. Also, the voice saying "300's en
route" is the same one as the "303" transmissions. The
transcriptionist assumed from the message's content that it was
sent by Fritz himself, but that is not the case.
It's wise not to take any of the transcripts in the WCH as perfect verbatim.
Good. Let's skip the intricacies of the radio logs/transcriptions and go right to the sources--Fritz and Curry, in their testimony.
Fritz: "I told the two officers with me, Mr. Sims & Boyd that we would run to our police car... We went to Parkland Hospital as we had been instructed, and as we drove up in front of the hospital, we, I suppose, intercepted the chief, Chief Curry,
Curry: "[Lumpkin] asked me at the hospital if I didn't want him to go back to the depository, and I told him yes..." (v4p162) Curry does not mention Fritz at the hospital.at Parkland. In fact, he confirms that the detectives were on their own, not with their Captain, and that he sent them with Lumpkin, not Fritz, to the depository. Fritz "supposed" wrong about "intercepting" Curry...
Curry again (from his book, "JFK Assassination File", p51): "Immediately after my arrival at the hospital, I had sent Deputy Chief Lumpkin with some Homicide detectives back to the Elm & Houston location..." Again, Curry does not mention seeing Fritz
On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 1:44:13 PM UTC-5, donald willis wrote:already there. Sims & Boyd went to Parkland, Fritz did not.
On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 7:07:20 PM UTC-7, recip...@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 6:16:14 PM UTC-5, donald willis wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 9:39:46 AM UTC-7, Bud wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:07:30 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
Since Fritz was up there early,
He wasn`t, he went to Parkland.No, he didn't. Check the radio log transcriptions:
303 (Dets. R. M. Sims & E. L. Boyd) What hospital did the President go to?
Dispatcher Parkland Hospital
Dispatcher 303, where are you?
303 (Dets. R. M. Sims & E. L. Boyd) Parkland Hospital
300 (Capt. John Will Fritz) 300, en route
Dispatcher 300, are you en route to Elm and Hourson to that store?
300 En route to the hospital.
Then check Fritz's testimony & the Sims/Boyd report: Fritz testified, falsely (as you see, above), that he was with Sims & Boyd in the same car to Parkland. He was in a different car, supposedly en route to Parkland, while Sims & Boyd were
between the curb & the hospital..." (v4p204)Use your head, Dave. If Sims and Boyd were already at Parkland Hospital, then they wouldn't have needed to ask what hospital the President had been taken to. The motorcade's presence wasn't exactly a stealth affair after all!
Michael O'Dell generated a reconstruction of the Channel 2 traffic between
12:15 and 12:46. This was necessary because the existing Channel 2 recordings were marred by repeated skips and repeats, a legacy of the Gray Audiograph recording system originally used to capture the radio traffic for posterity. O'Dell took the FBI phonograph copy of the Ch 2 traffic, which is free of skips and repeats at the cost of being variable
speed, and generated the timing for the various transmissions from it. He then made a reconstruction of the Ch 2 traffic using the best available
copies of each transmission placing them time-wise using the timing he'd come up with. In his reconstruction, this is what the 12:40 conversation between the dispatcher and 303 looks like in black and white:
303: 303
Disp: 10-4. 12:40 [This is in response to 295's previous transmission regarding the president's wounds]
Disp: 303
303: What hospital did the president go to?
Disp: Parkland Hospital
303: 10-4
Disp: Where are you?
303: 300's en route
Disp: 10-4
Disp: Is 300 route en route to Elm and Field at that, uh, correction, Elm and Houston at that store?
303: En route to the hospital
Disp: 10-4
This conversation makes more sense than the FBI version.
The FBI transcriptionist may have been confused by a skip/repeat
on the media he/she was using. Also, the voice saying "300's en
route" is the same one as the "303" transmissions. The
transcriptionist assumed from the message's content that it was
sent by Fritz himself, but that is not the case.
It's wise not to take any of the transcripts in the WCH as perfect verbatim.
Good. Let's skip the intricacies of the radio logs/transcriptions and go right to the sources--Fritz and Curry, in their testimony.
Fritz: "I told the two officers with me, Mr. Sims & Boyd that we would run to our police car... We went to Parkland Hospital as we had been instructed, and as we drove up in front of the hospital, we, I suppose, intercepted the chief, Chief Curry,
at Parkland. In fact, he confirms that the detectives were on their own, not with their Captain, and that he sent them with Lumpkin, not Fritz, to the depository. Fritz "supposed" wrong about "intercepting" Curry...Curry: "[Lumpkin] asked me at the hospital if I didn't want him to go back to the depository, and I told him yes..." (v4p162) Curry does not mention Fritz at the hospital.
Curry again (from his book, "JFK Assassination File", p51): "Immediately after my arrival at the hospital, I had sent Deputy Chief Lumpkin with some Homicide detectives back to the Elm & Houston location..." Again, Curry does not mention seeing Fritz
I don't see where Curry mentions seeing Decker at Parkland, either. Not in his testimony or his book. Obviously, Decker could not have been there, by your accounting :-D
On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 5:04:22 PM UTC-7, recip...@gmail.com wrote:already there. Sims & Boyd went to Parkland, Fritz did not.
On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 1:44:13 PM UTC-5, donald willis wrote:
On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 7:07:20 PM UTC-7, recip...@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 6:16:14 PM UTC-5, donald willis wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 9:39:46 AM UTC-7, Bud wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:07:30 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
Since Fritz was up there early,
He wasn`t, he went to Parkland.No, he didn't. Check the radio log transcriptions:
303 (Dets. R. M. Sims & E. L. Boyd) What hospital did the President go to?
Dispatcher Parkland Hospital
Dispatcher 303, where are you?
303 (Dets. R. M. Sims & E. L. Boyd) Parkland Hospital
300 (Capt. John Will Fritz) 300, en route
Dispatcher 300, are you en route to Elm and Hourson to that store? 300 En route to the hospital.
Then check Fritz's testimony & the Sims/Boyd report: Fritz testified, falsely (as you see, above), that he was with Sims & Boyd in the same car to Parkland. He was in a different car, supposedly en route to Parkland, while Sims & Boyd were
between the curb & the hospital..." (v4p204)Use your head, Dave. If Sims and Boyd were already at Parkland Hospital,
then they wouldn't have needed to ask what hospital the President had been taken to. The motorcade's presence wasn't exactly a stealth affair
after all!
Michael O'Dell generated a reconstruction of the Channel 2 traffic between
12:15 and 12:46. This was necessary because the existing Channel 2 recordings were marred by repeated skips and repeats, a legacy of the Gray Audiograph recording system originally used to capture the radio traffic for posterity. O'Dell took the FBI phonograph copy of the Ch 2 traffic, which is free of skips and repeats at the cost of being variable
speed, and generated the timing for the various transmissions from it. He then made a reconstruction of the Ch 2 traffic using the best available
copies of each transmission placing them time-wise using the timing he'd
come up with. In his reconstruction, this is what the 12:40 conversation
between the dispatcher and 303 looks like in black and white:
303: 303
Disp: 10-4. 12:40 [This is in response to 295's previous transmission regarding the president's wounds]
Disp: 303
303: What hospital did the president go to?
Disp: Parkland Hospital
303: 10-4
Disp: Where are you?
303: 300's en route
Disp: 10-4
Disp: Is 300 route en route to Elm and Field at that, uh, correction, Elm and Houston at that store?
303: En route to the hospital
Disp: 10-4
This conversation makes more sense than the FBI version.
The FBI transcriptionist may have been confused by a skip/repeat
on the media he/she was using. Also, the voice saying "300's en
route" is the same one as the "303" transmissions. The transcriptionist assumed from the message's content that it was
sent by Fritz himself, but that is not the case.
It's wise not to take any of the transcripts in the WCH as perfect verbatim.
Good. Let's skip the intricacies of the radio logs/transcriptions and go right to the sources--Fritz and Curry, in their testimony.
Fritz: "I told the two officers with me, Mr. Sims & Boyd that we would run to our police car... We went to Parkland Hospital as we had been instructed, and as we drove up in front of the hospital, we, I suppose, intercepted the chief, Chief Curry,
Fritz at Parkland. In fact, he confirms that the detectives were on their own, not with their Captain, and that he sent them with Lumpkin, not Fritz, to the depository. Fritz "supposed" wrong about "intercepting" Curry...Curry: "[Lumpkin] asked me at the hospital if I didn't want him to go back to the depository, and I told him yes..." (v4p162) Curry does not mention Fritz at the hospital.
Curry again (from his book, "JFK Assassination File", p51): "Immediately after my arrival at the hospital, I had sent Deputy Chief Lumpkin with some Homicide detectives back to the Elm & Houston location..." Again, Curry does not mention seeing
Curry didn't confirm Fritz at the hospital, but then Fritz said only "I suppose" we met Curry. So Fritz doesn't quite confirm Curry.I don't see where Curry mentions seeing Decker at Parkland, either. Not in his testimony or his book. Obviously, Decker could not have been there, by your accounting :-DDid some checking on my own. The Homicide detectives who went with Lumpkin from the hospital to the depository were Senkel & Turner, according to Turner's report (CE 2003 p249). So Curry was right, and I was wrong. I jumped to a conclusion. Still,
On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 9:48:31 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:already there. Sims & Boyd went to Parkland, Fritz did not.
On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 5:04:22 PM UTC-7, recip...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 1:44:13 PM UTC-5, donald willis wrote:
On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 7:07:20 PM UTC-7, recip...@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 6:16:14 PM UTC-5, donald willis wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 9:39:46 AM UTC-7, Bud wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:07:30 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
Since Fritz was up there early,
He wasn`t, he went to Parkland.No, he didn't. Check the radio log transcriptions:
303 (Dets. R. M. Sims & E. L. Boyd) What hospital did the President go to?
Dispatcher Parkland Hospital
Dispatcher 303, where are you?
303 (Dets. R. M. Sims & E. L. Boyd) Parkland Hospital
300 (Capt. John Will Fritz) 300, en route
Dispatcher 300, are you en route to Elm and Hourson to that store? 300 En route to the hospital.
Then check Fritz's testimony & the Sims/Boyd report: Fritz testified, falsely (as you see, above), that he was with Sims & Boyd in the same car to Parkland. He was in a different car, supposedly en route to Parkland, while Sims & Boyd were
between the curb & the hospital..." (v4p204)Use your head, Dave. If Sims and Boyd were already at Parkland Hospital,
then they wouldn't have needed to ask what hospital the President had
been taken to. The motorcade's presence wasn't exactly a stealth affair
after all!
Michael O'Dell generated a reconstruction of the Channel 2 traffic between
12:15 and 12:46. This was necessary because the existing Channel 2 recordings were marred by repeated skips and repeats, a legacy of the
Gray Audiograph recording system originally used to capture the radio
traffic for posterity. O'Dell took the FBI phonograph copy of the Ch 2
traffic, which is free of skips and repeats at the cost of being variable
speed, and generated the timing for the various transmissions from it.
He then made a reconstruction of the Ch 2 traffic using the best available
copies of each transmission placing them time-wise using the timing he'd
come up with. In his reconstruction, this is what the 12:40 conversation
between the dispatcher and 303 looks like in black and white:
303: 303
Disp: 10-4. 12:40 [This is in response to 295's previous transmission regarding the president's wounds]
Disp: 303
303: What hospital did the president go to?
Disp: Parkland Hospital
303: 10-4
Disp: Where are you?
303: 300's en route
Disp: 10-4
Disp: Is 300 route en route to Elm and Field at that, uh, correction, Elm and Houston at that store?
303: En route to the hospital
Disp: 10-4
This conversation makes more sense than the FBI version.
The FBI transcriptionist may have been confused by a skip/repeat
on the media he/she was using. Also, the voice saying "300's en route" is the same one as the "303" transmissions. The transcriptionist assumed from the message's content that it was
sent by Fritz himself, but that is not the case.
It's wise not to take any of the transcripts in the WCH as perfect verbatim.
Good. Let's skip the intricacies of the radio logs/transcriptions and go right to the sources--Fritz and Curry, in their testimony.
Fritz: "I told the two officers with me, Mr. Sims & Boyd that we would run to our police car... We went to Parkland Hospital as we had been instructed, and as we drove up in front of the hospital, we, I suppose, intercepted the chief, Chief Curry,
Fritz at Parkland. In fact, he confirms that the detectives were on their own, not with their Captain, and that he sent them with Lumpkin, not Fritz, to the depository. Fritz "supposed" wrong about "intercepting" Curry...Curry: "[Lumpkin] asked me at the hospital if I didn't want him to go back to the depository, and I told him yes..." (v4p162) Curry does not mention Fritz at the hospital.
Curry again (from his book, "JFK Assassination File", p51): "Immediately after my arrival at the hospital, I had sent Deputy Chief Lumpkin with some Homicide detectives back to the Elm & Houston location..." Again, Curry does not mention seeing
Curry didn't confirm Fritz at the hospital, but then Fritz said only "I suppose" we met Curry. So Fritz doesn't quite confirm Curry.I don't see where Curry mentions seeing Decker at Parkland, either. Not in his testimony or his book. Obviously, Decker could not have been there, by your accounting :-DDid some checking on my own. The Homicide detectives who went with Lumpkin from the hospital to the depository were Senkel & Turner, according to Turner's report (CE 2003 p249). So Curry was right, and I was wrong. I jumped to a conclusion. Still,
Here's an idea, Don. Why don't you vet your stories before you post them. That way, you won't
have to walk them back.
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 6:16:14 PM UTC-5, donald willis wrote:there. Sims & Boyd went to Parkland, Fritz did not.
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 9:39:46 AM UTC-7, Bud wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:07:30 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
Since Fritz was up there early,
He wasn`t, he went to Parkland.No, he didn't. Check the radio log transcriptions:
303 (Dets. R. M. Sims & E. L. Boyd) What hospital did the President go to? Dispatcher Parkland Hospital
Dispatcher 303, where are you?
303 (Dets. R. M. Sims & E. L. Boyd) Parkland Hospital
300 (Capt. John Will Fritz) 300, en route
Dispatcher 300, are you en route to Elm and Hourson to that store?
300 En route to the hospital.
Then check Fritz's testimony & the Sims/Boyd report: Fritz testified, falsely (as you see, above), that he was with Sims & Boyd in the same car to Parkland. He was in a different car, supposedly en route to Parkland, while Sims & Boyd were already
Use your head, Dave. If Sims and Boyd were already at Parkland Hospital, then they wouldn't have needed to ask what hospital the President had
been taken to. The motorcade's presence wasn't exactly a stealth affair after all!
Michael O'Dell generated a reconstruction of the Channel 2 traffic between 12:15 and 12:46. This was necessary because the existing Channel 2 recordings were marred by repeated skips and repeats, a legacy of the
Gray Audiograph recording system originally used to capture the radio traffic for posterity. O'Dell took the FBI phonograph copy of the Ch 2 traffic, which is free of skips and repeats at the cost of being variable speed, and generated the timing for the various transmissions from it.
He then made a reconstruction of the Ch 2 traffic using the best available copies of each transmission placing them time-wise using the timing he'd come up with. In his reconstruction, this is what the 12:40 conversation between the dispatcher and 303 looks like in black and white:
303: 303
Disp: 10-4. 12:40 [This is in response to 295's previous transmission regarding the president's wounds]
Disp: 303
303: What hospital did the president go to?
Disp: Parkland Hospital
303: 10-4
Disp: Where are you?
303: 300's en route
Disp: 10-4
Disp: Is 300 route en route to Elm and Field at that, uh, correction, Elm and Houston at that store?
303: En route to the hospital
Disp: 10-4
This conversation makes more sense than the FBI version.
The FBI transcriptionist may have been confused by a skip/repeat
on the media he/she was using. Also, the voice saying "300's en
route" is the same one as the "303" transmissions.
transcriptionist assumed from the message's content that it was
sent by Fritz himself, but that is not the case.
It's wise not to take any of the transcripts in the WCH as perfect verbatim.
On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 1:44:13 PM UTC-5, donald willis wrote:already there. Sims & Boyd went to Parkland, Fritz did not.
On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 7:07:20 PM UTC-7, recip...@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 6:16:14 PM UTC-5, donald willis wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 9:39:46 AM UTC-7, Bud wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:07:30 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
Since Fritz was up there early,
He wasn`t, he went to Parkland.No, he didn't. Check the radio log transcriptions:
303 (Dets. R. M. Sims & E. L. Boyd) What hospital did the President go to?
Dispatcher Parkland Hospital
Dispatcher 303, where are you?
303 (Dets. R. M. Sims & E. L. Boyd) Parkland Hospital
300 (Capt. John Will Fritz) 300, en route
Dispatcher 300, are you en route to Elm and Hourson to that store?
300 En route to the hospital.
Then check Fritz's testimony & the Sims/Boyd report: Fritz testified, falsely (as you see, above), that he was with Sims & Boyd in the same car to Parkland. He was in a different car, supposedly en route to Parkland, while Sims & Boyd were
between the curb & the hospital..." (v4p204)Use your head, Dave. If Sims and Boyd were already at Parkland Hospital, then they wouldn't have needed to ask what hospital the President had been taken to. The motorcade's presence wasn't exactly a stealth affair after all!
Michael O'Dell generated a reconstruction of the Channel 2 traffic between
12:15 and 12:46. This was necessary because the existing Channel 2 recordings were marred by repeated skips and repeats, a legacy of the Gray Audiograph recording system originally used to capture the radio traffic for posterity. O'Dell took the FBI phonograph copy of the Ch 2 traffic, which is free of skips and repeats at the cost of being variable
speed, and generated the timing for the various transmissions from it. He then made a reconstruction of the Ch 2 traffic using the best available
copies of each transmission placing them time-wise using the timing he'd come up with. In his reconstruction, this is what the 12:40 conversation between the dispatcher and 303 looks like in black and white:
303: 303
Disp: 10-4. 12:40 [This is in response to 295's previous transmission regarding the president's wounds]
Disp: 303
303: What hospital did the president go to?
Disp: Parkland Hospital
303: 10-4
Disp: Where are you?
303: 300's en route
Disp: 10-4
Disp: Is 300 route en route to Elm and Field at that, uh, correction, Elm and Houston at that store?
303: En route to the hospital
Disp: 10-4
This conversation makes more sense than the FBI version.
The FBI transcriptionist may have been confused by a skip/repeat
on the media he/she was using. Also, the voice saying "300's en
route" is the same one as the "303" transmissions. The
transcriptionist assumed from the message's content that it was
sent by Fritz himself, but that is not the case.
It's wise not to take any of the transcripts in the WCH as perfect verbatim.
Good. Let's skip the intricacies of the radio logs/transcriptions and go right to the sources--Fritz and Curry, in their testimony.
Fritz: "I told the two officers with me, Mr. Sims & Boyd that we would run to our police car... We went to Parkland Hospital as we had been instructed, and as we drove up in front of the hospital, we, I suppose, intercepted the chief, Chief Curry,
at Parkland. In fact, he confirms that the detectives were on their own, not with their Captain, and that he sent them with Lumpkin, not Fritz, to the depository. Fritz "supposed" wrong about "intercepting" Curry...Curry: "[Lumpkin] asked me at the hospital if I didn't want him to go back to the depository, and I told him yes..." (v4p162) Curry does not mention Fritz at the hospital.
Curry again (from his book, "JFK Assassination File", p51): "Immediately after my arrival at the hospital, I had sent Deputy Chief Lumpkin with some Homicide detectives back to the Elm & Houston location..." Again, Curry does not mention seeing Fritz
I don't see where Curry mentions seeing Decker at Parkland, either. Not in his testimony or his book. Obviously, Decker could not have been there, by your accounting :-D
On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 1:44:13 PM UTC-5, donald willis wrote:already there. Sims & Boyd went to Parkland, Fritz did not.
On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 7:07:20 PM UTC-7, recip...@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 6:16:14 PM UTC-5, donald willis wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 9:39:46 AM UTC-7, Bud wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:07:30 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
Since Fritz was up there early,
He wasn`t, he went to Parkland.No, he didn't. Check the radio log transcriptions:
303 (Dets. R. M. Sims & E. L. Boyd) What hospital did the President go to?
Dispatcher Parkland Hospital
Dispatcher 303, where are you?
303 (Dets. R. M. Sims & E. L. Boyd) Parkland Hospital
300 (Capt. John Will Fritz) 300, en route
Dispatcher 300, are you en route to Elm and Hourson to that store?
300 En route to the hospital.
Then check Fritz's testimony & the Sims/Boyd report: Fritz testified, falsely (as you see, above), that he was with Sims & Boyd in the same car to Parkland. He was in a different car, supposedly en route to Parkland, while Sims & Boyd were
between the curb & the hospital..." (v4p204)Use your head, Dave. If Sims and Boyd were already at Parkland Hospital, then they wouldn't have needed to ask what hospital the President had been taken to. The motorcade's presence wasn't exactly a stealth affair after all!
Michael O'Dell generated a reconstruction of the Channel 2 traffic between
12:15 and 12:46. This was necessary because the existing Channel 2 recordings were marred by repeated skips and repeats, a legacy of the Gray Audiograph recording system originally used to capture the radio traffic for posterity. O'Dell took the FBI phonograph copy of the Ch 2 traffic, which is free of skips and repeats at the cost of being variable
speed, and generated the timing for the various transmissions from it. He then made a reconstruction of the Ch 2 traffic using the best available
copies of each transmission placing them time-wise using the timing he'd come up with. In his reconstruction, this is what the 12:40 conversation between the dispatcher and 303 looks like in black and white:
303: 303
Disp: 10-4. 12:40 [This is in response to 295's previous transmission regarding the president's wounds]
Disp: 303
303: What hospital did the president go to?
Disp: Parkland Hospital
303: 10-4
Disp: Where are you?
303: 300's en route
Disp: 10-4
Disp: Is 300 route en route to Elm and Field at that, uh, correction, Elm and Houston at that store?
303: En route to the hospital
Disp: 10-4
This conversation makes more sense than the FBI version.
The FBI transcriptionist may have been confused by a skip/repeat
on the media he/she was using. Also, the voice saying "300's en
route" is the same one as the "303" transmissions. The
transcriptionist assumed from the message's content that it was
sent by Fritz himself, but that is not the case.
It's wise not to take any of the transcripts in the WCH as perfect verbatim.
Good. Let's skip the intricacies of the radio logs/transcriptions and go right to the sources--Fritz and Curry, in their testimony.
Fritz: "I told the two officers with me, Mr. Sims & Boyd that we would run to our police car... We went to Parkland Hospital as we had been instructed, and as we drove up in front of the hospital, we, I suppose, intercepted the chief, Chief Curry,
at Parkland. In fact, he confirms that the detectives were on their own, not with their Captain, and that he sent them with Lumpkin, not Fritz, to the depository. Fritz "supposed" wrong about "intercepting" Curry...Curry: "[Lumpkin] asked me at the hospital if I didn't want him to go back to the depository, and I told him yes..." (v4p162) Curry does not mention Fritz at the hospital.
Curry again (from his book, "JFK Assassination File", p51): "Immediately after my arrival at the hospital, I had sent Deputy Chief Lumpkin with some Homicide detectives back to the Elm & Houston location..." Again, Curry does not mention seeing Fritz
I don't see where Curry mentions seeing Decker at Parkland, either. Not in his testimony or his book. Obviously, Decker could not have been there, by your accounting :-D
On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 7:26:42 PM UTC-7, John Corbett wrote:already there. Sims & Boyd went to Parkland, Fritz did not.
On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 9:48:31 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 5:04:22 PM UTC-7, recip...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 1:44:13 PM UTC-5, donald willis wrote:
On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 7:07:20 PM UTC-7, recip...@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 6:16:14 PM UTC-5, donald willis wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 9:39:46 AM UTC-7, Bud wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:07:30 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
Since Fritz was up there early,
He wasn`t, he went to Parkland.No, he didn't. Check the radio log transcriptions:
303 (Dets. R. M. Sims & E. L. Boyd) What hospital did the President go to?
Dispatcher Parkland Hospital
Dispatcher 303, where are you?
303 (Dets. R. M. Sims & E. L. Boyd) Parkland Hospital
300 (Capt. John Will Fritz) 300, en route
Dispatcher 300, are you en route to Elm and Hourson to that store?
300 En route to the hospital.
Then check Fritz's testimony & the Sims/Boyd report: Fritz testified, falsely (as you see, above), that he was with Sims & Boyd in the same car to Parkland. He was in a different car, supposedly en route to Parkland, while Sims & Boyd were
Curry, between the curb & the hospital..." (v4p204)Use your head, Dave. If Sims and Boyd were already at Parkland Hospital,
then they wouldn't have needed to ask what hospital the President had
been taken to. The motorcade's presence wasn't exactly a stealth affair
after all!
Michael O'Dell generated a reconstruction of the Channel 2 traffic between
12:15 and 12:46. This was necessary because the existing Channel 2 recordings were marred by repeated skips and repeats, a legacy of the
Gray Audiograph recording system originally used to capture the radio
traffic for posterity. O'Dell took the FBI phonograph copy of the Ch 2
traffic, which is free of skips and repeats at the cost of being variable
speed, and generated the timing for the various transmissions from it.
He then made a reconstruction of the Ch 2 traffic using the best available
copies of each transmission placing them time-wise using the timing he'd
come up with. In his reconstruction, this is what the 12:40 conversation
between the dispatcher and 303 looks like in black and white:
303: 303
Disp: 10-4. 12:40 [This is in response to 295's previous transmission regarding the president's wounds]
Disp: 303
303: What hospital did the president go to?
Disp: Parkland Hospital
303: 10-4
Disp: Where are you?
303: 300's en route
Disp: 10-4
Disp: Is 300 route en route to Elm and Field at that, uh, correction, Elm and Houston at that store?
303: En route to the hospital
Disp: 10-4
This conversation makes more sense than the FBI version.
The FBI transcriptionist may have been confused by a skip/repeat on the media he/she was using. Also, the voice saying "300's en route" is the same one as the "303" transmissions. The transcriptionist assumed from the message's content that it was sent by Fritz himself, but that is not the case.
It's wise not to take any of the transcripts in the WCH as perfect verbatim.
Good. Let's skip the intricacies of the radio logs/transcriptions and go right to the sources--Fritz and Curry, in their testimony.
Fritz: "I told the two officers with me, Mr. Sims & Boyd that we would run to our police car... We went to Parkland Hospital as we had been instructed, and as we drove up in front of the hospital, we, I suppose, intercepted the chief, Chief
Fritz at Parkland. In fact, he confirms that the detectives were on their own, not with their Captain, and that he sent them with Lumpkin, not Fritz, to the depository. Fritz "supposed" wrong about "intercepting" Curry...Curry: "[Lumpkin] asked me at the hospital if I didn't want him to go back to the depository, and I told him yes..." (v4p162) Curry does not mention Fritz at the hospital.
Curry again (from his book, "JFK Assassination File", p51): "Immediately after my arrival at the hospital, I had sent Deputy Chief Lumpkin with some Homicide detectives back to the Elm & Houston location..." Again, Curry does not mention seeing
Curry didn't confirm Fritz at the hospital, but then Fritz said only "I suppose" we met Curry. So Fritz doesn't quite confirm Curry.I don't see where Curry mentions seeing Decker at Parkland, either. Not in his testimony or his book. Obviously, Decker could not have been there, by your accounting :-DDid some checking on my own. The Homicide detectives who went with Lumpkin from the hospital to the depository were Senkel & Turner, according to Turner's report (CE 2003 p249). So Curry was right, and I was wrong. I jumped to a conclusion. Still,
Here's an idea, Don. Why don't you vet your stories before you post them. That way, you won'tFrom the guy who, like Trump, can never admit that he was wrong, never walks anything back. Uncool.
have to walk them back.
On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 12:06:25 AM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:were already there. Sims & Boyd went to Parkland, Fritz did not.
On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 7:26:42 PM UTC-7, John Corbett wrote:
On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 9:48:31 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 5:04:22 PM UTC-7, recip...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 1:44:13 PM UTC-5, donald willis wrote:
On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 7:07:20 PM UTC-7, recip...@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 6:16:14 PM UTC-5, donald willis wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 9:39:46 AM UTC-7, Bud wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:07:30 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
Since Fritz was up there early,
He wasn`t, he went to Parkland.No, he didn't. Check the radio log transcriptions:
303 (Dets. R. M. Sims & E. L. Boyd) What hospital did the President go to?
Dispatcher Parkland Hospital
Dispatcher 303, where are you?
303 (Dets. R. M. Sims & E. L. Boyd) Parkland Hospital
300 (Capt. John Will Fritz) 300, en route
Dispatcher 300, are you en route to Elm and Hourson to that store?
300 En route to the hospital.
Then check Fritz's testimony & the Sims/Boyd report: Fritz testified, falsely (as you see, above), that he was with Sims & Boyd in the same car to Parkland. He was in a different car, supposedly en route to Parkland, while Sims & Boyd
Curry, between the curb & the hospital..." (v4p204)Use your head, Dave. If Sims and Boyd were already at Parkland Hospital,
then they wouldn't have needed to ask what hospital the President had
been taken to. The motorcade's presence wasn't exactly a stealth affair
after all!
Michael O'Dell generated a reconstruction of the Channel 2 traffic between
12:15 and 12:46. This was necessary because the existing Channel 2
recordings were marred by repeated skips and repeats, a legacy of the
Gray Audiograph recording system originally used to capture the radio
traffic for posterity. O'Dell took the FBI phonograph copy of the Ch 2
traffic, which is free of skips and repeats at the cost of being variable
speed, and generated the timing for the various transmissions from it.
He then made a reconstruction of the Ch 2 traffic using the best available
copies of each transmission placing them time-wise using the timing he'd
come up with. In his reconstruction, this is what the 12:40 conversation
between the dispatcher and 303 looks like in black and white:
303: 303
Disp: 10-4. 12:40 [This is in response to 295's previous transmission regarding the president's wounds]
Disp: 303
303: What hospital did the president go to?
Disp: Parkland Hospital
303: 10-4
Disp: Where are you?
303: 300's en route
Disp: 10-4
Disp: Is 300 route en route to Elm and Field at that, uh, correction, Elm and Houston at that store?
303: En route to the hospital
Disp: 10-4
This conversation makes more sense than the FBI version.
The FBI transcriptionist may have been confused by a skip/repeat on the media he/she was using. Also, the voice saying "300's en route" is the same one as the "303" transmissions. The transcriptionist assumed from the message's content that it was sent by Fritz himself, but that is not the case.
It's wise not to take any of the transcripts in the WCH as perfect verbatim.
Good. Let's skip the intricacies of the radio logs/transcriptions and go right to the sources--Fritz and Curry, in their testimony.
Fritz: "I told the two officers with me, Mr. Sims & Boyd that we would run to our police car... We went to Parkland Hospital as we had been instructed, and as we drove up in front of the hospital, we, I suppose, intercepted the chief, Chief
seeing Fritz at Parkland. In fact, he confirms that the detectives were on their own, not with their Captain, and that he sent them with Lumpkin, not Fritz, to the depository. Fritz "supposed" wrong about "intercepting" Curry...Curry: "[Lumpkin] asked me at the hospital if I didn't want him to go back to the depository, and I told him yes..." (v4p162) Curry does not mention Fritz at the hospital.
Curry again (from his book, "JFK Assassination File", p51): "Immediately after my arrival at the hospital, I had sent Deputy Chief Lumpkin with some Homicide detectives back to the Elm & Houston location..." Again, Curry does not mention
Curry didn't confirm Fritz at the hospital, but then Fritz said only "I suppose" we met Curry. So Fritz doesn't quite confirm Curry.I don't see where Curry mentions seeing Decker at Parkland, either. Not in his testimony or his book. Obviously, Decker could not have been there, by your accounting :-DDid some checking on my own. The Homicide detectives who went with Lumpkin from the hospital to the depository were Senkel & Turner, according to Turner's report (CE 2003 p249). So Curry was right, and I was wrong. I jumped to a conclusion. Still,
On the rare occasions I have been wrong, I have owned up to it.Here's an idea, Don. Why don't you vet your stories before you post them. That way, you won'tFrom the guy who, like Trump, can never admit that he was wrong, never walks anything back. Uncool.
have to walk them back.
On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 12:06:25 AM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:were already there. Sims & Boyd went to Parkland, Fritz did not.
On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 7:26:42 PM UTC-7, John Corbett wrote:
On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 9:48:31 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 5:04:22 PM UTC-7, recip...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 1:44:13 PM UTC-5, donald willis wrote:
On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 7:07:20 PM UTC-7, recip...@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 6:16:14 PM UTC-5, donald willis wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 9:39:46 AM UTC-7, Bud wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:07:30 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
Since Fritz was up there early,
He wasn`t, he went to Parkland.No, he didn't. Check the radio log transcriptions:
303 (Dets. R. M. Sims & E. L. Boyd) What hospital did the President go to?
Dispatcher Parkland Hospital
Dispatcher 303, where are you?
303 (Dets. R. M. Sims & E. L. Boyd) Parkland Hospital
300 (Capt. John Will Fritz) 300, en route
Dispatcher 300, are you en route to Elm and Hourson to that store?
300 En route to the hospital.
Then check Fritz's testimony & the Sims/Boyd report: Fritz testified, falsely (as you see, above), that he was with Sims & Boyd in the same car to Parkland. He was in a different car, supposedly en route to Parkland, while Sims & Boyd
Curry, between the curb & the hospital..." (v4p204)Use your head, Dave. If Sims and Boyd were already at Parkland Hospital,
then they wouldn't have needed to ask what hospital the President had
been taken to. The motorcade's presence wasn't exactly a stealth affair
after all!
Michael O'Dell generated a reconstruction of the Channel 2 traffic between
12:15 and 12:46. This was necessary because the existing Channel 2
recordings were marred by repeated skips and repeats, a legacy of the
Gray Audiograph recording system originally used to capture the radio
traffic for posterity. O'Dell took the FBI phonograph copy of the Ch 2
traffic, which is free of skips and repeats at the cost of being variable
speed, and generated the timing for the various transmissions from it.
He then made a reconstruction of the Ch 2 traffic using the best available
copies of each transmission placing them time-wise using the timing he'd
come up with. In his reconstruction, this is what the 12:40 conversation
between the dispatcher and 303 looks like in black and white:
303: 303
Disp: 10-4. 12:40 [This is in response to 295's previous transmission regarding the president's wounds]
Disp: 303
303: What hospital did the president go to?
Disp: Parkland Hospital
303: 10-4
Disp: Where are you?
303: 300's en route
Disp: 10-4
Disp: Is 300 route en route to Elm and Field at that, uh, correction, Elm and Houston at that store?
303: En route to the hospital
Disp: 10-4
This conversation makes more sense than the FBI version.
The FBI transcriptionist may have been confused by a skip/repeat on the media he/she was using. Also, the voice saying "300's en route" is the same one as the "303" transmissions. The transcriptionist assumed from the message's content that it was sent by Fritz himself, but that is not the case.
It's wise not to take any of the transcripts in the WCH as perfect verbatim.
Good. Let's skip the intricacies of the radio logs/transcriptions and go right to the sources--Fritz and Curry, in their testimony.
Fritz: "I told the two officers with me, Mr. Sims & Boyd that we would run to our police car... We went to Parkland Hospital as we had been instructed, and as we drove up in front of the hospital, we, I suppose, intercepted the chief, Chief
seeing Fritz at Parkland. In fact, he confirms that the detectives were on their own, not with their Captain, and that he sent them with Lumpkin, not Fritz, to the depository. Fritz "supposed" wrong about "intercepting" Curry...Curry: "[Lumpkin] asked me at the hospital if I didn't want him to go back to the depository, and I told him yes..." (v4p162) Curry does not mention Fritz at the hospital.
Curry again (from his book, "JFK Assassination File", p51): "Immediately after my arrival at the hospital, I had sent Deputy Chief Lumpkin with some Homicide detectives back to the Elm & Houston location..." Again, Curry does not mention
Curry didn't confirm Fritz at the hospital, but then Fritz said only "I suppose" we met Curry. So Fritz doesn't quite confirm Curry.I don't see where Curry mentions seeing Decker at Parkland, either. Not in his testimony or his book. Obviously, Decker could not have been there, by your accounting :-DDid some checking on my own. The Homicide detectives who went with Lumpkin from the hospital to the depository were Senkel & Turner, according to Turner's report (CE 2003 p249). So Curry was right, and I was wrong. I jumped to a conclusion. Still,
On the rare occasions I have been wrongHere's an idea, Don. Why don't you vet your stories before you post them. That way, you won'tFrom the guy who, like Trump, can never admit that he was wrong, never walks anything back. Uncool.
have to walk them back.
On the rare occasions I have been wrong, I have owned up to it.
On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 4:03:10 AM UTC-7, John Corbett wrote:were already there. Sims & Boyd went to Parkland, Fritz did not.
On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 12:06:25 AM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 7:26:42 PM UTC-7, John Corbett wrote:
On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 9:48:31 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 5:04:22 PM UTC-7, recip...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 1:44:13 PM UTC-5, donald willis wrote:
On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 7:07:20 PM UTC-7, recip...@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 6:16:14 PM UTC-5, donald willis wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 9:39:46 AM UTC-7, Bud wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:07:30 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
Since Fritz was up there early,
He wasn`t, he went to Parkland.No, he didn't. Check the radio log transcriptions:
303 (Dets. R. M. Sims & E. L. Boyd) What hospital did the President go to?
Dispatcher Parkland Hospital
Dispatcher 303, where are you?
303 (Dets. R. M. Sims & E. L. Boyd) Parkland Hospital
300 (Capt. John Will Fritz) 300, en route
Dispatcher 300, are you en route to Elm and Hourson to that store?
300 En route to the hospital.
Then check Fritz's testimony & the Sims/Boyd report: Fritz testified, falsely (as you see, above), that he was with Sims & Boyd in the same car to Parkland. He was in a different car, supposedly en route to Parkland, while Sims & Boyd
Curry, between the curb & the hospital..." (v4p204)Use your head, Dave. If Sims and Boyd were already at Parkland Hospital,
then they wouldn't have needed to ask what hospital the President had
been taken to. The motorcade's presence wasn't exactly a stealth affair
after all!
Michael O'Dell generated a reconstruction of the Channel 2 traffic between
12:15 and 12:46. This was necessary because the existing Channel 2
recordings were marred by repeated skips and repeats, a legacy of the
Gray Audiograph recording system originally used to capture the radio
traffic for posterity. O'Dell took the FBI phonograph copy of the Ch 2
traffic, which is free of skips and repeats at the cost of being variable
speed, and generated the timing for the various transmissions from it.
He then made a reconstruction of the Ch 2 traffic using the best available
copies of each transmission placing them time-wise using the timing he'd
come up with. In his reconstruction, this is what the 12:40 conversation
between the dispatcher and 303 looks like in black and white:
303: 303
Disp: 10-4. 12:40 [This is in response to 295's previous transmission regarding the president's wounds]
Disp: 303
303: What hospital did the president go to?
Disp: Parkland Hospital
303: 10-4
Disp: Where are you?
303: 300's en route
Disp: 10-4
Disp: Is 300 route en route to Elm and Field at that, uh, correction, Elm and Houston at that store?
303: En route to the hospital
Disp: 10-4
This conversation makes more sense than the FBI version.
The FBI transcriptionist may have been confused by a skip/repeat
on the media he/she was using. Also, the voice saying "300's en
route" is the same one as the "303" transmissions. The transcriptionist assumed from the message's content that it was
sent by Fritz himself, but that is not the case.
It's wise not to take any of the transcripts in the WCH as perfect verbatim.
Good. Let's skip the intricacies of the radio logs/transcriptions and go right to the sources--Fritz and Curry, in their testimony.
Fritz: "I told the two officers with me, Mr. Sims & Boyd that we would run to our police car... We went to Parkland Hospital as we had been instructed, and as we drove up in front of the hospital, we, I suppose, intercepted the chief, Chief
seeing Fritz at Parkland. In fact, he confirms that the detectives were on their own, not with their Captain, and that he sent them with Lumpkin, not Fritz, to the depository. Fritz "supposed" wrong about "intercepting" Curry...Curry: "[Lumpkin] asked me at the hospital if I didn't want him to go back to the depository, and I told him yes..." (v4p162) Curry does not mention Fritz at the hospital.
Curry again (from his book, "JFK Assassination File", p51): "Immediately after my arrival at the hospital, I had sent Deputy Chief Lumpkin with some Homicide detectives back to the Elm & Houston location..." Again, Curry does not mention
Still, Curry didn't confirm Fritz at the hospital, but then Fritz said only "I suppose" we met Curry. So Fritz doesn't quite confirm Curry.I don't see where Curry mentions seeing Decker at Parkland, either. Not in his testimony or his book. Obviously, Decker could not have been there, by your accounting :-DDid some checking on my own. The Homicide detectives who went with Lumpkin from the hospital to the depository were Senkel & Turner, according to Turner's report (CE 2003 p249). So Curry was right, and I was wrong. I jumped to a conclusion.
On the rare occasions I have been wrongHere's an idea, Don. Why don't you vet your stories before you post them. That way, you won'tFrom the guy who, like Trump, can never admit that he was wrong, never walks anything back. Uncool.
have to walk them back.
Ahem!
, I have owned up to it.
Although, in the case of Jackson & the wide-open window, you have later denied that you originally went along with Specter's "halfway", before taking a look at what he & Jackson were talking about.
Your obsession...
On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 11:26:53 AM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:were already there. Sims & Boyd went to Parkland, Fritz did not.
On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 4:03:10 AM UTC-7, John Corbett wrote:
On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 12:06:25 AM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 7:26:42 PM UTC-7, John Corbett wrote:
On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 9:48:31 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 5:04:22 PM UTC-7, recip...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 1:44:13 PM UTC-5, donald willis wrote:
On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 7:07:20 PM UTC-7, recip...@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 6:16:14 PM UTC-5, donald willis wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 9:39:46 AM UTC-7, Bud wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:07:30 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
Since Fritz was up there early,
He wasn`t, he went to Parkland.No, he didn't. Check the radio log transcriptions:
303 (Dets. R. M. Sims & E. L. Boyd) What hospital did the President go to?
Dispatcher Parkland Hospital
Dispatcher 303, where are you?
303 (Dets. R. M. Sims & E. L. Boyd) Parkland Hospital
300 (Capt. John Will Fritz) 300, en route
Dispatcher 300, are you en route to Elm and Hourson to that store?
300 En route to the hospital.
Then check Fritz's testimony & the Sims/Boyd report: Fritz testified, falsely (as you see, above), that he was with Sims & Boyd in the same car to Parkland. He was in a different car, supposedly en route to Parkland, while Sims & Boyd
Chief Curry, between the curb & the hospital..." (v4p204)Use your head, Dave. If Sims and Boyd were already at Parkland Hospital,
then they wouldn't have needed to ask what hospital the President had
been taken to. The motorcade's presence wasn't exactly a stealth affair
after all!
Michael O'Dell generated a reconstruction of the Channel 2 traffic between
12:15 and 12:46. This was necessary because the existing Channel 2
recordings were marred by repeated skips and repeats, a legacy of the
Gray Audiograph recording system originally used to capture the radio
traffic for posterity. O'Dell took the FBI phonograph copy of the Ch 2
traffic, which is free of skips and repeats at the cost of being variable
speed, and generated the timing for the various transmissions from it.
He then made a reconstruction of the Ch 2 traffic using the best available
copies of each transmission placing them time-wise using the timing he'd
come up with. In his reconstruction, this is what the 12:40 conversation
between the dispatcher and 303 looks like in black and white:
303: 303
Disp: 10-4. 12:40 [This is in response to 295's previous transmission regarding the president's wounds]
Disp: 303
303: What hospital did the president go to?
Disp: Parkland Hospital
303: 10-4
Disp: Where are you?
303: 300's en route
Disp: 10-4
Disp: Is 300 route en route to Elm and Field at that, uh, correction, Elm and Houston at that store?
303: En route to the hospital
Disp: 10-4
This conversation makes more sense than the FBI version.
The FBI transcriptionist may have been confused by a skip/repeat
on the media he/she was using. Also, the voice saying "300's en
route" is the same one as the "303" transmissions. The transcriptionist assumed from the message's content that it was
sent by Fritz himself, but that is not the case.
It's wise not to take any of the transcripts in the WCH as perfect verbatim.
Good. Let's skip the intricacies of the radio logs/transcriptions and go right to the sources--Fritz and Curry, in their testimony.
Fritz: "I told the two officers with me, Mr. Sims & Boyd that we would run to our police car... We went to Parkland Hospital as we had been instructed, and as we drove up in front of the hospital, we, I suppose, intercepted the chief,
seeing Fritz at Parkland. In fact, he confirms that the detectives were on their own, not with their Captain, and that he sent them with Lumpkin, not Fritz, to the depository. Fritz "supposed" wrong about "intercepting" Curry...Curry: "[Lumpkin] asked me at the hospital if I didn't want him to go back to the depository, and I told him yes..." (v4p162) Curry does not mention Fritz at the hospital.
Curry again (from his book, "JFK Assassination File", p51): "Immediately after my arrival at the hospital, I had sent Deputy Chief Lumpkin with some Homicide detectives back to the Elm & Houston location..." Again, Curry does not mention
Still, Curry didn't confirm Fritz at the hospital, but then Fritz said only "I suppose" we met Curry. So Fritz doesn't quite confirm Curry.I don't see where Curry mentions seeing Decker at Parkland, either. Not in his testimony or his book. Obviously, Decker could not have been there, by your accounting :-DDid some checking on my own. The Homicide detectives who went with Lumpkin from the hospital to the depository were Senkel & Turner, according to Turner's report (CE 2003 p249). So Curry was right, and I was wrong. I jumped to a conclusion.
On the rare occasions I have been wrongHere's an idea, Don. Why don't you vet your stories before you post them. That way, you won'tFrom the guy who, like Trump, can never admit that he was wrong, never walks anything back. Uncool.
have to walk them back.
Ahem!
, I have owned up to it.
Although, in the case of Jackson & the wide-open window, you have later denied that you originally went along with Specter's "halfway", before taking a look at what he & Jackson were talking about.Your obsession with "wide open window" is hilarious. For this one, non-specific
are willing to disregard all the physical evidence that was found on the 6th floor, all the witnesses
who placed the shooter on the 6th floor, the three black employees who testified they were on
the 5th floor, and the photo of them on the 5th floor. You think "wide open window" outweighs
all of that.
On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 3:31:15 PM UTC-7, John Corbett wrote:Boyd were already there. Sims & Boyd went to Parkland, Fritz did not.
On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 11:26:53 AM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 4:03:10 AM UTC-7, John Corbett wrote:
On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 12:06:25 AM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 7:26:42 PM UTC-7, John Corbett wrote:
On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 9:48:31 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 5:04:22 PM UTC-7, recip...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 1:44:13 PM UTC-5, donald willis wrote:
On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 7:07:20 PM UTC-7, recip...@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 6:16:14 PM UTC-5, donald willis wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 9:39:46 AM UTC-7, Bud wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:07:30 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
Since Fritz was up there early,
He wasn`t, he went to Parkland.No, he didn't. Check the radio log transcriptions:
303 (Dets. R. M. Sims & E. L. Boyd) What hospital did the President go to?
Dispatcher Parkland Hospital
Dispatcher 303, where are you?
303 (Dets. R. M. Sims & E. L. Boyd) Parkland Hospital 300 (Capt. John Will Fritz) 300, en route
Dispatcher 300, are you en route to Elm and Hourson to that store?
300 En route to the hospital.
Then check Fritz's testimony & the Sims/Boyd report: Fritz testified, falsely (as you see, above), that he was with Sims & Boyd in the same car to Parkland. He was in a different car, supposedly en route to Parkland, while Sims &
Chief Curry, between the curb & the hospital..." (v4p204)Use your head, Dave. If Sims and Boyd were already at Parkland Hospital,
then they wouldn't have needed to ask what hospital the President had
been taken to. The motorcade's presence wasn't exactly a stealth affair
after all!
Michael O'Dell generated a reconstruction of the Channel 2 traffic between
12:15 and 12:46. This was necessary because the existing Channel 2
recordings were marred by repeated skips and repeats, a legacy of the
Gray Audiograph recording system originally used to capture the radio
traffic for posterity. O'Dell took the FBI phonograph copy of the Ch 2
traffic, which is free of skips and repeats at the cost of being variable
speed, and generated the timing for the various transmissions from it.
He then made a reconstruction of the Ch 2 traffic using the best available
copies of each transmission placing them time-wise using the timing he'd
come up with. In his reconstruction, this is what the 12:40 conversation
between the dispatcher and 303 looks like in black and white:
303: 303
Disp: 10-4. 12:40 [This is in response to 295's previous transmission regarding the president's wounds]
Disp: 303
303: What hospital did the president go to?
Disp: Parkland Hospital
303: 10-4
Disp: Where are you?
303: 300's en route
Disp: 10-4
Disp: Is 300 route en route to Elm and Field at that, uh, correction, Elm and Houston at that store?
303: En route to the hospital
Disp: 10-4
This conversation makes more sense than the FBI version.
The FBI transcriptionist may have been confused by a skip/repeat
on the media he/she was using. Also, the voice saying "300's en
route" is the same one as the "303" transmissions. The transcriptionist assumed from the message's content that it was
sent by Fritz himself, but that is not the case.
It's wise not to take any of the transcripts in the WCH as perfect verbatim.
Good. Let's skip the intricacies of the radio logs/transcriptions and go right to the sources--Fritz and Curry, in their testimony.
Fritz: "I told the two officers with me, Mr. Sims & Boyd that we would run to our police car... We went to Parkland Hospital as we had been instructed, and as we drove up in front of the hospital, we, I suppose, intercepted the chief,
mention seeing Fritz at Parkland. In fact, he confirms that the detectives were on their own, not with their Captain, and that he sent them with Lumpkin, not Fritz, to the depository. Fritz "supposed" wrong about "intercepting" Curry...Curry: "[Lumpkin] asked me at the hospital if I didn't want him to go back to the depository, and I told him yes..." (v4p162) Curry does not mention Fritz at the hospital.
Curry again (from his book, "JFK Assassination File", p51): "Immediately after my arrival at the hospital, I had sent Deputy Chief Lumpkin with some Homicide detectives back to the Elm & Houston location..." Again, Curry does not
Still, Curry didn't confirm Fritz at the hospital, but then Fritz said only "I suppose" we met Curry. So Fritz doesn't quite confirm Curry.I don't see where Curry mentions seeing Decker at Parkland, either. Not in his testimony or his book. Obviously, Decker could not have been there, by your accounting :-DDid some checking on my own. The Homicide detectives who went with Lumpkin from the hospital to the depository were Senkel & Turner, according to Turner's report (CE 2003 p249). So Curry was right, and I was wrong. I jumped to a conclusion.
thought that it WAS wide-open at 12:30pm on 11/22/63.On the rare occasions I have been wrongHere's an idea, Don. Why don't you vet your stories before you post them. That way, you won'tFrom the guy who, like Trump, can never admit that he was wrong, never walks anything back. Uncool.
have to walk them back.
Ahem!
, I have owned up to it.
As I have to keep pointing out to you, it was very specific for Jackson & Brennan, who compared it to two other wide-open windows. Neither could use the "nest" window itself because it was only half open in the photos they were shown. J&B must haveAlthough, in the case of Jackson & the wide-open window, you have later denied that you originally went along with Specter's "halfway", before taking a look at what he & Jackson were talking about.Your obsession with "wide open window" is hilarious. For this one, non-specific
On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 12:01:34?AM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:already there. Sims & Boyd went to Parkland, Fritz did not.
On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 3:31:15?PM UTC-7, John Corbett wrote:
On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 11:26:53?AM UTC-4, donald willis wrote: >>>> On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 4:03:10?AM UTC-7, John Corbett wrote: >>>>> On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 12:06:25?AM UTC-4, donald willis wrote: >>>>>> On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 7:26:42?PM UTC-7, John Corbett wrote: >>>>>>> On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 9:48:31?PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote: >>>>>>>> On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 5:04:22?PM UTC-7, recip...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 1:44:13?PM UTC-5, donald willis wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 7:07:20?PM UTC-7, recip...@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 6:16:14?PM UTC-5, donald willis wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 9:39:46?AM UTC-7, Bud wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:07:30?PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
Since Fritz was up there early,
He wasn`t, he went to Parkland.No, he didn't. Check the radio log transcriptions:
303 (Dets. R. M. Sims & E. L. Boyd) What hospital did the President go to?
Dispatcher Parkland Hospital
Dispatcher 303, where are you?
303 (Dets. R. M. Sims & E. L. Boyd) Parkland Hospital
300 (Capt. John Will Fritz) 300, en route
Dispatcher 300, are you en route to Elm and Hourson to that store? >>>>>>>>>>>> 300 En route to the hospital.
Then check Fritz's testimony & the Sims/Boyd report: Fritz testified, falsely (as you see, above), that he was with Sims & Boyd in the same car to Parkland. He was in a different car, supposedly en route to Parkland, while Sims & Boyd were
Curry, between the curb & the hospital..." (v4p204)
Use your head, Dave. If Sims and Boyd were already at Parkland Hospital,
then they wouldn't have needed to ask what hospital the President had
been taken to. The motorcade's presence wasn't exactly a stealth affair
after all!
Michael O'Dell generated a reconstruction of the Channel 2 traffic between
12:15 and 12:46. This was necessary because the existing Channel 2 >>>>>>>>>>> recordings were marred by repeated skips and repeats, a legacy of the
Gray Audiograph recording system originally used to capture the radio
traffic for posterity. O'Dell took the FBI phonograph copy of the Ch 2
traffic, which is free of skips and repeats at the cost of being variable
speed, and generated the timing for the various transmissions from it.
He then made a reconstruction of the Ch 2 traffic using the best available
copies of each transmission placing them time-wise using the timing he'd
come up with. In his reconstruction, this is what the 12:40 conversation
between the dispatcher and 303 looks like in black and white: >>>>>>>>>>>
303: 303
Disp: 10-4. 12:40 [This is in response to 295's previous transmission regarding the president's wounds]
Disp: 303
303: What hospital did the president go to?
Disp: Parkland Hospital
303: 10-4
Disp: Where are you?
303: 300's en route
Disp: 10-4
Disp: Is 300 route en route to Elm and Field at that, uh, correction, Elm and Houston at that store?
303: En route to the hospital
Disp: 10-4
This conversation makes more sense than the FBI version. >>>>>>>>>>>
The FBI transcriptionist may have been confused by a skip/repeat >>>>>>>>>>> on the media he/she was using. Also, the voice saying "300's en >>>>>>>>>>> route" is the same one as the "303" transmissions. The
transcriptionist assumed from the message's content that it was >>>>>>>>>>> sent by Fritz himself, but that is not the case.
It's wise not to take any of the transcripts in the WCH as perfect verbatim.
Good. Let's skip the intricacies of the radio logs/transcriptions and go right to the sources--Fritz and Curry, in their testimony.
Fritz: "I told the two officers with me, Mr. Sims & Boyd that we would run to our police car... We went to Parkland Hospital as we had been instructed, and as we drove up in front of the hospital, we, I suppose, intercepted the chief, Chief
seeing Fritz at Parkland. In fact, he confirms that the detectives were on their own, not with their Captain, and that he sent them with Lumpkin, not Fritz, to the depository. Fritz "supposed" wrong about "intercepting" Curry...
Curry: "[Lumpkin] asked me at the hospital if I didn't want him to go back to the depository, and I told him yes..." (v4p162) Curry does not mention Fritz at the hospital.
Curry again (from his book, "JFK Assassination File", p51): "Immediately after my arrival at the hospital, I had sent Deputy Chief Lumpkin with some Homicide detectives back to the Elm & Houston location..." Again, Curry does not mention
Still, Curry didn't confirm Fritz at the hospital, but then Fritz said only "I suppose" we met Curry. So Fritz doesn't quite confirm Curry.I don't see where Curry mentions seeing Decker at Parkland, either. Not in his testimony or his book. Obviously, Decker could not have been there, by your accounting :-DDid some checking on my own. The Homicide detectives who went with Lumpkin from the hospital to the depository were Senkel & Turner, according to Turner's report (CE 2003 p249). So Curry was right, and I was wrong. I jumped to a conclusion.
thought that it WAS wide-open at 12:30pm on 11/22/63.As I have to keep pointing out to you, it was very specific for Jackson & Brennan, who compared it to two other wide-open windows. Neither could use the "nest" window itself because it was only half open in the photos they were shown. J&B must haveYour obsession with "wide open window" is hilarious. For this one, non-specificOn the rare occasions I have been wrongFrom the guy who, like Trump, can never admit that he was wrong, never walks anything back. Uncool.Here's an idea, Don. Why don't you vet your stories before you post them. That way, you won't
have to walk them back.
Ahem!
, I have owned up to it.
Although, in the case of Jackson & the wide-open window, you have later denied that you originally went along with Specter's "halfway", before taking a look at what he & Jackson were talking about.
So you think...
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 03:19:19 -0700 (PDT), John Corbettalready there. Sims & Boyd went to Parkland, Fritz did not.
<geowri...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 12:01:34?AM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 3:31:15?PM UTC-7, John Corbett wrote: >>> On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 11:26:53?AM UTC-4, donald willis wrote: >>>> On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 4:03:10?AM UTC-7, John Corbett wrote: >>>>> On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 12:06:25?AM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 7:26:42?PM UTC-7, John Corbett wrote: >>>>>>> On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 9:48:31?PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 5:04:22?PM UTC-7, recip...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 1:44:13?PM UTC-5, donald willis wrote:
On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 7:07:20?PM UTC-7, recip...@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 6:16:14?PM UTC-5, donald willis wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 9:39:46?AM UTC-7, Bud wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:07:30?PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
Since Fritz was up there early,
He wasn`t, he went to Parkland.No, he didn't. Check the radio log transcriptions:
303 (Dets. R. M. Sims & E. L. Boyd) What hospital did the President go to?
Dispatcher Parkland Hospital
Dispatcher 303, where are you?
303 (Dets. R. M. Sims & E. L. Boyd) Parkland Hospital >>>>>>>>>>>> 300 (Capt. John Will Fritz) 300, en route
Dispatcher 300, are you en route to Elm and Hourson to that store?
300 En route to the hospital.
Then check Fritz's testimony & the Sims/Boyd report: Fritz testified, falsely (as you see, above), that he was with Sims & Boyd in the same car to Parkland. He was in a different car, supposedly en route to Parkland, while Sims & Boyd were
Curry, between the curb & the hospital..." (v4p204)
Use your head, Dave. If Sims and Boyd were already at Parkland Hospital,
then they wouldn't have needed to ask what hospital the President had
been taken to. The motorcade's presence wasn't exactly a stealth affair
after all!
Michael O'Dell generated a reconstruction of the Channel 2 traffic between
12:15 and 12:46. This was necessary because the existing Channel 2
recordings were marred by repeated skips and repeats, a legacy of the
Gray Audiograph recording system originally used to capture the radio
traffic for posterity. O'Dell took the FBI phonograph copy of the Ch 2
traffic, which is free of skips and repeats at the cost of being variable
speed, and generated the timing for the various transmissions from it.
He then made a reconstruction of the Ch 2 traffic using the best available
copies of each transmission placing them time-wise using the timing he'd
come up with. In his reconstruction, this is what the 12:40 conversation
between the dispatcher and 303 looks like in black and white: >>>>>>>>>>>
303: 303
Disp: 10-4. 12:40 [This is in response to 295's previous transmission regarding the president's wounds]
Disp: 303
303: What hospital did the president go to?
Disp: Parkland Hospital
303: 10-4
Disp: Where are you?
303: 300's en route
Disp: 10-4
Disp: Is 300 route en route to Elm and Field at that, uh, correction, Elm and Houston at that store?
303: En route to the hospital
Disp: 10-4
This conversation makes more sense than the FBI version. >>>>>>>>>>>
The FBI transcriptionist may have been confused by a skip/repeat >>>>>>>>>>> on the media he/she was using. Also, the voice saying "300's en >>>>>>>>>>> route" is the same one as the "303" transmissions. The >>>>>>>>>>> transcriptionist assumed from the message's content that it was >>>>>>>>>>> sent by Fritz himself, but that is not the case.
It's wise not to take any of the transcripts in the WCH as perfect verbatim.
Good. Let's skip the intricacies of the radio logs/transcriptions and go right to the sources--Fritz and Curry, in their testimony.
Fritz: "I told the two officers with me, Mr. Sims & Boyd that we would run to our police car... We went to Parkland Hospital as we had been instructed, and as we drove up in front of the hospital, we, I suppose, intercepted the chief, Chief
seeing Fritz at Parkland. In fact, he confirms that the detectives were on their own, not with their Captain, and that he sent them with Lumpkin, not Fritz, to the depository. Fritz "supposed" wrong about "intercepting" Curry...
Curry: "[Lumpkin] asked me at the hospital if I didn't want him to go back to the depository, and I told him yes..." (v4p162) Curry does not mention Fritz at the hospital.
Curry again (from his book, "JFK Assassination File", p51): "Immediately after my arrival at the hospital, I had sent Deputy Chief Lumpkin with some Homicide detectives back to the Elm & Houston location..." Again, Curry does not mention
Still, Curry didn't confirm Fritz at the hospital, but then Fritz said only "I suppose" we met Curry. So Fritz doesn't quite confirm Curry.I don't see where Curry mentions seeing Decker at Parkland, either. Not in his testimony or his book. Obviously, Decker could not have been there, by your accounting :-DDid some checking on my own. The Homicide detectives who went with Lumpkin from the hospital to the depository were Senkel & Turner, according to Turner's report (CE 2003 p249). So Curry was right, and I was wrong. I jumped to a conclusion.
thought that it WAS wide-open at 12:30pm on 11/22/63.As I have to keep pointing out to you, it was very specific for Jackson & Brennan, who compared it to two other wide-open windows. Neither could use the "nest" window itself because it was only half open in the photos they were shown. J&B must haveYour obsession with "wide open window" is hilarious. For this one, non-specificOn the rare occasions I have been wrongFrom the guy who, like Trump, can never admit that he was wrong, never walks anything back. Uncool.Here's an idea, Don. Why don't you vet your stories before you post them. That way, you won't
have to walk them back.
Ahem!
, I have owned up to it.
Although, in the case of Jackson & the wide-open window, you have later denied that you originally went along with Specter's "halfway", before taking a look at what he & Jackson were talking about.
So you think...
Yes, unlike you.
On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 12:01:34 AM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:Boyd were already there. Sims & Boyd went to Parkland, Fritz did not.
On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 3:31:15 PM UTC-7, John Corbett wrote:
On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 11:26:53 AM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 4:03:10 AM UTC-7, John Corbett wrote:
On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 12:06:25 AM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 7:26:42 PM UTC-7, John Corbett wrote:
On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 9:48:31 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 5:04:22 PM UTC-7, recip...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 1:44:13 PM UTC-5, donald willis wrote:
On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 7:07:20 PM UTC-7, recip...@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 6:16:14 PM UTC-5, donald willis wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 9:39:46 AM UTC-7, Bud wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:07:30 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
Since Fritz was up there early,
He wasn`t, he went to Parkland.No, he didn't. Check the radio log transcriptions:
303 (Dets. R. M. Sims & E. L. Boyd) What hospital did the President go to?
Dispatcher Parkland Hospital
Dispatcher 303, where are you?
303 (Dets. R. M. Sims & E. L. Boyd) Parkland Hospital 300 (Capt. John Will Fritz) 300, en route
Dispatcher 300, are you en route to Elm and Hourson to that store?
300 En route to the hospital.
Then check Fritz's testimony & the Sims/Boyd report: Fritz testified, falsely (as you see, above), that he was with Sims & Boyd in the same car to Parkland. He was in a different car, supposedly en route to Parkland, while Sims &
Chief Curry, between the curb & the hospital..." (v4p204)Use your head, Dave. If Sims and Boyd were already at Parkland Hospital,
then they wouldn't have needed to ask what hospital the President had
been taken to. The motorcade's presence wasn't exactly a stealth affair
after all!
Michael O'Dell generated a reconstruction of the Channel 2 traffic between
12:15 and 12:46. This was necessary because the existing Channel 2
recordings were marred by repeated skips and repeats, a legacy of the
Gray Audiograph recording system originally used to capture the radio
traffic for posterity. O'Dell took the FBI phonograph copy of the Ch 2
traffic, which is free of skips and repeats at the cost of being variable
speed, and generated the timing for the various transmissions from it.
He then made a reconstruction of the Ch 2 traffic using the best available
copies of each transmission placing them time-wise using the timing he'd
come up with. In his reconstruction, this is what the 12:40 conversation
between the dispatcher and 303 looks like in black and white:
303: 303
Disp: 10-4. 12:40 [This is in response to 295's previous transmission regarding the president's wounds]
Disp: 303
303: What hospital did the president go to?
Disp: Parkland Hospital
303: 10-4
Disp: Where are you?
303: 300's en route
Disp: 10-4
Disp: Is 300 route en route to Elm and Field at that, uh, correction, Elm and Houston at that store?
303: En route to the hospital
Disp: 10-4
This conversation makes more sense than the FBI version.
The FBI transcriptionist may have been confused by a skip/repeat
on the media he/she was using. Also, the voice saying "300's en
route" is the same one as the "303" transmissions. The transcriptionist assumed from the message's content that it was
sent by Fritz himself, but that is not the case.
It's wise not to take any of the transcripts in the WCH as perfect verbatim.
Good. Let's skip the intricacies of the radio logs/transcriptions and go right to the sources--Fritz and Curry, in their testimony.
Fritz: "I told the two officers with me, Mr. Sims & Boyd that we would run to our police car... We went to Parkland Hospital as we had been instructed, and as we drove up in front of the hospital, we, I suppose, intercepted the chief,
mention seeing Fritz at Parkland. In fact, he confirms that the detectives were on their own, not with their Captain, and that he sent them with Lumpkin, not Fritz, to the depository. Fritz "supposed" wrong about "intercepting" Curry...Curry: "[Lumpkin] asked me at the hospital if I didn't want him to go back to the depository, and I told him yes..." (v4p162) Curry does not mention Fritz at the hospital.
Curry again (from his book, "JFK Assassination File", p51): "Immediately after my arrival at the hospital, I had sent Deputy Chief Lumpkin with some Homicide detectives back to the Elm & Houston location..." Again, Curry does not
conclusion. Still, Curry didn't confirm Fritz at the hospital, but then Fritz said only "I suppose" we met Curry. So Fritz doesn't quite confirm Curry.I don't see where Curry mentions seeing Decker at Parkland, either. Not in his testimony or his book. Obviously, Decker could not have been there, by your accounting :-DDid some checking on my own. The Homicide detectives who went with Lumpkin from the hospital to the depository were Senkel & Turner, according to Turner's report (CE 2003 p249). So Curry was right, and I was wrong. I jumped to a
thought that it WAS wide-open at 12:30pm on 11/22/63.On the rare occasions I have been wrongHere's an idea, Don. Why don't you vet your stories before you post them. That way, you won'tFrom the guy who, like Trump, can never admit that he was wrong, never walks anything back. Uncool.
have to walk them back.
Ahem!
, I have owned up to it.
As I have to keep pointing out to you, it was very specific for Jackson & Brennan, who compared it to two other wide-open windows. Neither could use the "nest" window itself because it was only half open in the photos they were shown. J&B must haveAlthough, in the case of Jackson & the wide-open window, you have later denied that you originally went along with Specter's "halfway", before taking a look at what he & Jackson were talking about.Your obsession with "wide open window" is hilarious. For this one, non-specific
So you think these witnesses could be wrong about which floor they saw they shooter but you
can't comprehend they could have been wrong about how wide open the window was. Damn,
you're stupid.
about anything, it was how wide open the window was. All the physical evidence was found on
the 6th floor. The three black employees all testified they were on the 5th floor.
showing they were on the 5th floor. In order to believe your wide open window nonsense, we
have to believe those three employees perjured themselves
investigators moved all the physical evidence from the 5th floor to the 6th
reason. Only a moron would believe all that happened.
On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 8:04:44?AM UTC-7, Ben Holmes wrote:...
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 03:19:19 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett
<geowri...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 12:01:34?AM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
thought that it WAS wide-open at 12:30pm on 11/22/63.As I have to keep pointing out to you, it was very specific for Jackson & Brennan, who compared it to two other wide-open windows. Neither could use the "nest" window itself because it was only half open in the photos they were shown. J&B must have
So you think...
Yes, unlike you.
You cut him off at just the right place...
On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 12:42:14?PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:already there. Sims & Boyd went to Parkland, Fritz did not.
On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 3:19:21?AM UTC-7, John Corbett wrote:
On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 12:01:34?AM UTC-4, donald willis wrote: >>>> On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 3:31:15?PM UTC-7, John Corbett wrote: >>>>> On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 11:26:53?AM UTC-4, donald willis wrote: >>>>>> On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 4:03:10?AM UTC-7, John Corbett wrote: >>>>>>> On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 12:06:25?AM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 7:26:42?PM UTC-7, John Corbett wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 9:48:31?PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 5:04:22?PM UTC-7, recip...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 1:44:13?PM UTC-5, donald willis wrote:
On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 7:07:20?PM UTC-7, recip...@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 6:16:14?PM UTC-5, donald willis wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 9:39:46?AM UTC-7, Bud wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:07:30?PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
Since Fritz was up there early,
He wasn`t, he went to Parkland.No, he didn't. Check the radio log transcriptions:
303 (Dets. R. M. Sims & E. L. Boyd) What hospital did the President go to?
Dispatcher Parkland Hospital
Dispatcher 303, where are you?
303 (Dets. R. M. Sims & E. L. Boyd) Parkland Hospital >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 300 (Capt. John Will Fritz) 300, en route
Dispatcher 300, are you en route to Elm and Hourson to that store?
300 En route to the hospital.
Then check Fritz's testimony & the Sims/Boyd report: Fritz testified, falsely (as you see, above), that he was with Sims & Boyd in the same car to Parkland. He was in a different car, supposedly en route to Parkland, while Sims & Boyd were
Curry, between the curb & the hospital..." (v4p204)
Use your head, Dave. If Sims and Boyd were already at Parkland Hospital,
then they wouldn't have needed to ask what hospital the President had
been taken to. The motorcade's presence wasn't exactly a stealth affair
after all!
Michael O'Dell generated a reconstruction of the Channel 2 traffic between
12:15 and 12:46. This was necessary because the existing Channel 2
recordings were marred by repeated skips and repeats, a legacy of the
Gray Audiograph recording system originally used to capture the radio
traffic for posterity. O'Dell took the FBI phonograph copy of the Ch 2
traffic, which is free of skips and repeats at the cost of being variable
speed, and generated the timing for the various transmissions from it.
He then made a reconstruction of the Ch 2 traffic using the best available
copies of each transmission placing them time-wise using the timing he'd
come up with. In his reconstruction, this is what the 12:40 conversation
between the dispatcher and 303 looks like in black and white: >>>>>>>>>>>>>
303: 303
Disp: 10-4. 12:40 [This is in response to 295's previous transmission regarding the president's wounds]
Disp: 303
303: What hospital did the president go to?
Disp: Parkland Hospital
303: 10-4
Disp: Where are you?
303: 300's en route
Disp: 10-4
Disp: Is 300 route en route to Elm and Field at that, uh, correction, Elm and Houston at that store?
303: En route to the hospital
Disp: 10-4
This conversation makes more sense than the FBI version. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
The FBI transcriptionist may have been confused by a skip/repeat >>>>>>>>>>>>> on the media he/she was using. Also, the voice saying "300's en >>>>>>>>>>>>> route" is the same one as the "303" transmissions. The >>>>>>>>>>>>> transcriptionist assumed from the message's content that it was >>>>>>>>>>>>> sent by Fritz himself, but that is not the case.
It's wise not to take any of the transcripts in the WCH as perfect verbatim.
Good. Let's skip the intricacies of the radio logs/transcriptions and go right to the sources--Fritz and Curry, in their testimony.
Fritz: "I told the two officers with me, Mr. Sims & Boyd that we would run to our police car... We went to Parkland Hospital as we had been instructed, and as we drove up in front of the hospital, we, I suppose, intercepted the chief, Chief
seeing Fritz at Parkland. In fact, he confirms that the detectives were on their own, not with their Captain, and that he sent them with Lumpkin, not Fritz, to the depository. Fritz "supposed" wrong about "intercepting" Curry...
Curry: "[Lumpkin] asked me at the hospital if I didn't want him to go back to the depository, and I told him yes..." (v4p162) Curry does not mention Fritz at the hospital.
Curry again (from his book, "JFK Assassination File", p51): "Immediately after my arrival at the hospital, I had sent Deputy Chief Lumpkin with some Homicide detectives back to the Elm & Houston location..." Again, Curry does not mention
Still, Curry didn't confirm Fritz at the hospital, but then Fritz said only "I suppose" we met Curry. So Fritz doesn't quite confirm Curry.I don't see where Curry mentions seeing Decker at Parkland, either. Not in his testimony or his book. Obviously, Decker could not have been there, by your accounting :-DDid some checking on my own. The Homicide detectives who went with Lumpkin from the hospital to the depository were Senkel & Turner, according to Turner's report (CE 2003 p249). So Curry was right, and I was wrong. I jumped to a conclusion.
thought that it WAS wide-open at 12:30pm on 11/22/63.As I have to keep pointing out to you, it was very specific for Jackson & Brennan, who compared it to two other wide-open windows. Neither could use the "nest" window itself because it was only half open in the photos they were shown. J&B must haveYour obsession with "wide open window" is hilarious. For this one, non-specificOn the rare occasions I have been wrongFrom the guy who, like Trump, can never admit that he was wrong, never walks anything back. Uncool.Here's an idea, Don. Why don't you vet your stories before you post them. That way, you won't
have to walk them back.
Ahem!
, I have owned up to it.
Although, in the case of Jackson & the wide-open window, you have later denied that you originally went along with Specter's "halfway", before taking a look at what he & Jackson were talking about.
Johnny the Robot speaking...So you think these witnesses could be wrong about which floor they saw they shooter but you
can't comprehend they could have been wrong about how wide open the window was. Damn,
you're stupid.
All the other evidence screams that they got the floor correct so if they were wrong
about anything, it was how wide open the window was. All the physical evidence was found onOnly Williams was. Jarman couldn't bring himself to put himself on the 5th floor until 2 days after the assassination. Norman didn't say anything until *four* days after the assassination. Very reluctant "witnesses".
the 6th floor. The three black employees all testified they were on the 5th floor.
There is a photo
showing they were on the 5th floor. In order to believe your wide open window nonsense, weNo--just two.
have to believe those three employees perjured themselves
, the photo was a forgery, and the
investigators moved all the physical evidence from the 5th floor to the 6th >> The rifle never saw the 6th floor--it was processed on the 5th.for no apparent
reason. Only a moron would believe all that happened.Only a robot would say that.
On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 8:04:44 AM UTC-7, Ben Holmes wrote:were already there. Sims & Boyd went to Parkland, Fritz did not.
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 03:19:19 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett <geowri...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 12:01:34?AM UTC-4, donald willis wrote: >> On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 3:31:15?PM UTC-7, John Corbett wrote: >>> On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 11:26:53?AM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 4:03:10?AM UTC-7, John Corbett wrote:
On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 12:06:25?AM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 7:26:42?PM UTC-7, John Corbett wrote:
On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 9:48:31?PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 5:04:22?PM UTC-7, recip...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 1:44:13?PM UTC-5, donald willis wrote:
On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 7:07:20?PM UTC-7, recip...@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 6:16:14?PM UTC-5, donald willis wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 9:39:46?AM UTC-7, Bud wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:07:30?PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
Since Fritz was up there early,
He wasn`t, he went to Parkland.No, he didn't. Check the radio log transcriptions: >>>>>>>>>>>
303 (Dets. R. M. Sims & E. L. Boyd) What hospital did the President go to?
Dispatcher Parkland Hospital
Dispatcher 303, where are you?
303 (Dets. R. M. Sims & E. L. Boyd) Parkland Hospital >>>>>>>>>>>> 300 (Capt. John Will Fritz) 300, en route
Dispatcher 300, are you en route to Elm and Hourson to that store?
300 En route to the hospital.
Then check Fritz's testimony & the Sims/Boyd report: Fritz testified, falsely (as you see, above), that he was with Sims & Boyd in the same car to Parkland. He was in a different car, supposedly en route to Parkland, while Sims & Boyd
Chief Curry, between the curb & the hospital..." (v4p204)
Use your head, Dave. If Sims and Boyd were already at Parkland Hospital,
then they wouldn't have needed to ask what hospital the President had
been taken to. The motorcade's presence wasn't exactly a stealth affair
after all!
Michael O'Dell generated a reconstruction of the Channel 2 traffic between
12:15 and 12:46. This was necessary because the existing Channel 2
recordings were marred by repeated skips and repeats, a legacy of the
Gray Audiograph recording system originally used to capture the radio
traffic for posterity. O'Dell took the FBI phonograph copy of the Ch 2
traffic, which is free of skips and repeats at the cost of being variable
speed, and generated the timing for the various transmissions from it.
He then made a reconstruction of the Ch 2 traffic using the best available
copies of each transmission placing them time-wise using the timing he'd
come up with. In his reconstruction, this is what the 12:40 conversation
between the dispatcher and 303 looks like in black and white: >>>>>>>>>>>
303: 303
Disp: 10-4. 12:40 [This is in response to 295's previous transmission regarding the president's wounds]
Disp: 303
303: What hospital did the president go to?
Disp: Parkland Hospital
303: 10-4
Disp: Where are you?
303: 300's en route
Disp: 10-4
Disp: Is 300 route en route to Elm and Field at that, uh, correction, Elm and Houston at that store?
303: En route to the hospital
Disp: 10-4
This conversation makes more sense than the FBI version. >>>>>>>>>>>
The FBI transcriptionist may have been confused by a skip/repeat
on the media he/she was using. Also, the voice saying "300's en
route" is the same one as the "303" transmissions. The >>>>>>>>>>> transcriptionist assumed from the message's content that it was
sent by Fritz himself, but that is not the case.
It's wise not to take any of the transcripts in the WCH as perfect verbatim.
Good. Let's skip the intricacies of the radio logs/transcriptions and go right to the sources--Fritz and Curry, in their testimony.
Fritz: "I told the two officers with me, Mr. Sims & Boyd that we would run to our police car... We went to Parkland Hospital as we had been instructed, and as we drove up in front of the hospital, we, I suppose, intercepted the chief,
seeing Fritz at Parkland. In fact, he confirms that the detectives were on their own, not with their Captain, and that he sent them with Lumpkin, not Fritz, to the depository. Fritz "supposed" wrong about "intercepting" Curry...
Curry: "[Lumpkin] asked me at the hospital if I didn't want him to go back to the depository, and I told him yes..." (v4p162) Curry does not mention Fritz at the hospital.
Curry again (from his book, "JFK Assassination File", p51): "Immediately after my arrival at the hospital, I had sent Deputy Chief Lumpkin with some Homicide detectives back to the Elm & Houston location..." Again, Curry does not mention
Still, Curry didn't confirm Fritz at the hospital, but then Fritz said only "I suppose" we met Curry. So Fritz doesn't quite confirm Curry.I don't see where Curry mentions seeing Decker at Parkland, either. Not in his testimony or his book. Obviously, Decker could not have been there, by your accounting :-DDid some checking on my own. The Homicide detectives who went with Lumpkin from the hospital to the depository were Senkel & Turner, according to Turner's report (CE 2003 p249). So Curry was right, and I was wrong. I jumped to a conclusion.
have thought that it WAS wide-open at 12:30pm on 11/22/63.As I have to keep pointing out to you, it was very specific for Jackson & Brennan, who compared it to two other wide-open windows. Neither could use the "nest" window itself because it was only half open in the photos they were shown. J&B mustYour obsession with "wide open window" is hilarious. For this one, non-specificOn the rare occasions I have been wrongFrom the guy who, like Trump, can never admit that he was wrong, never walks anything back. Uncool.Here's an idea, Don. Why don't you vet your stories before you post them. That way, you won't
have to walk them back.
Ahem!
, I have owned up to it.
Although, in the case of Jackson & the wide-open window, you have later denied that you originally went along with Specter's "halfway", before taking a look at what he & Jackson were talking about.
So you think...
Yes, unlike you.You cut him off at just the right place...
On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 3:19:21 AM UTC-7, John Corbett wrote:Boyd were already there. Sims & Boyd went to Parkland, Fritz did not.
On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 12:01:34 AM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 3:31:15 PM UTC-7, John Corbett wrote:
On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 11:26:53 AM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 4:03:10 AM UTC-7, John Corbett wrote:
On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 12:06:25 AM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 7:26:42 PM UTC-7, John Corbett wrote:
On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 9:48:31 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 5:04:22 PM UTC-7, recip...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 1:44:13 PM UTC-5, donald willis wrote:
On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 7:07:20 PM UTC-7, recip...@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 6:16:14 PM UTC-5, donald willis wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 9:39:46 AM UTC-7, Bud wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:07:30 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
Since Fritz was up there early,
He wasn`t, he went to Parkland.No, he didn't. Check the radio log transcriptions:
303 (Dets. R. M. Sims & E. L. Boyd) What hospital did the President go to?
Dispatcher Parkland Hospital
Dispatcher 303, where are you?
303 (Dets. R. M. Sims & E. L. Boyd) Parkland Hospital
300 (Capt. John Will Fritz) 300, en route
Dispatcher 300, are you en route to Elm and Hourson to that store?
300 En route to the hospital.
Then check Fritz's testimony & the Sims/Boyd report: Fritz testified, falsely (as you see, above), that he was with Sims & Boyd in the same car to Parkland. He was in a different car, supposedly en route to Parkland, while Sims &
chief, Chief Curry, between the curb & the hospital..." (v4p204)Use your head, Dave. If Sims and Boyd were already at Parkland Hospital,
then they wouldn't have needed to ask what hospital the President had
been taken to. The motorcade's presence wasn't exactly a stealth affair
after all!
Michael O'Dell generated a reconstruction of the Channel 2 traffic between
12:15 and 12:46. This was necessary because the existing Channel 2
recordings were marred by repeated skips and repeats, a legacy of the
Gray Audiograph recording system originally used to capture the radio
traffic for posterity. O'Dell took the FBI phonograph copy of the Ch 2
traffic, which is free of skips and repeats at the cost of being variable
speed, and generated the timing for the various transmissions from it.
He then made a reconstruction of the Ch 2 traffic using the best available
copies of each transmission placing them time-wise using the timing he'd
come up with. In his reconstruction, this is what the 12:40 conversation
between the dispatcher and 303 looks like in black and white:
303: 303
Disp: 10-4. 12:40 [This is in response to 295's previous transmission regarding the president's wounds]
Disp: 303
303: What hospital did the president go to?
Disp: Parkland Hospital
303: 10-4
Disp: Where are you?
303: 300's en route
Disp: 10-4
Disp: Is 300 route en route to Elm and Field at that, uh, correction, Elm and Houston at that store?
303: En route to the hospital
Disp: 10-4
This conversation makes more sense than the FBI version.
The FBI transcriptionist may have been confused by a skip/repeat
on the media he/she was using. Also, the voice saying "300's en
route" is the same one as the "303" transmissions. The transcriptionist assumed from the message's content that it was
sent by Fritz himself, but that is not the case.
It's wise not to take any of the transcripts in the WCH as perfect verbatim.
Good. Let's skip the intricacies of the radio logs/transcriptions and go right to the sources--Fritz and Curry, in their testimony.
Fritz: "I told the two officers with me, Mr. Sims & Boyd that we would run to our police car... We went to Parkland Hospital as we had been instructed, and as we drove up in front of the hospital, we, I suppose, intercepted the
mention seeing Fritz at Parkland. In fact, he confirms that the detectives were on their own, not with their Captain, and that he sent them with Lumpkin, not Fritz, to the depository. Fritz "supposed" wrong about "intercepting" Curry...Curry: "[Lumpkin] asked me at the hospital if I didn't want him to go back to the depository, and I told him yes..." (v4p162) Curry does not mention Fritz at the hospital.
Curry again (from his book, "JFK Assassination File", p51): "Immediately after my arrival at the hospital, I had sent Deputy Chief Lumpkin with some Homicide detectives back to the Elm & Houston location..." Again, Curry does not
conclusion. Still, Curry didn't confirm Fritz at the hospital, but then Fritz said only "I suppose" we met Curry. So Fritz doesn't quite confirm Curry.I don't see where Curry mentions seeing Decker at Parkland, either. Not in his testimony or his book. Obviously, Decker could not have been there, by your accounting :-DDid some checking on my own. The Homicide detectives who went with Lumpkin from the hospital to the depository were Senkel & Turner, according to Turner's report (CE 2003 p249). So Curry was right, and I was wrong. I jumped to a
thought that it WAS wide-open at 12:30pm on 11/22/63.On the rare occasions I have been wrongHere's an idea, Don. Why don't you vet your stories before you post them. That way, you won'tFrom the guy who, like Trump, can never admit that he was wrong, never walks anything back. Uncool.
have to walk them back.
Ahem!
, I have owned up to it.
As I have to keep pointing out to you, it was very specific for Jackson & Brennan, who compared it to two other wide-open windows. Neither could use the "nest" window itself because it was only half open in the photos they were shown. J&B must haveAlthough, in the case of Jackson & the wide-open window, you have later denied that you originally went along with Specter's "halfway", before taking a look at what he & Jackson were talking about.Your obsession with "wide open window" is hilarious. For this one, non-specific
So you think these witnesses could be wrong about which floor they saw they shooter but youJohnny the Robot speaking...
can't comprehend they could have been wrong about how wide open the window was. Damn,
you're stupid.
All the other evidence screams that they got the floor correct so if they were wrong
about anything, it was how wide open the window was. All the physical evidence was found onOnly Williams was. Jarman couldn't bring himself to put himself on the 5th floor until 2 days after the assassination. Norman didn't say anything until *four* days after the assassination. Very reluctant "witnesses".
the 6th floor. The three black employees all testified they were on the 5th floor.
There is a photo
showing they were on the 5th floor. In order to believe your wide open window nonsense, weNo--just two.
have to believe those three employees perjured themselves
, the photo was a forgery, and the
investigators moved all the physical evidence from the 5th floor to the 6thThe rifle never saw the 6th floor--it was processed on the 5th.
for no apparent
reason. Only a moron would believe all that happened.Only a robot would say that.
On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 12:43:01?PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:were already there. Sims & Boyd went to Parkland, Fritz did not.
On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 8:04:44?AM UTC-7, Ben Holmes wrote:
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 03:19:19 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett
<geowri...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 12:01:34?AM UTC-4, donald willis wrote: >>>>> On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 3:31:15?PM UTC-7, John Corbett wrote: >>>>>> On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 11:26:53?AM UTC-4, donald willis wrote: >>>>>>> On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 4:03:10?AM UTC-7, John Corbett wrote: >>>>>>>> On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 12:06:25?AM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 7:26:42?PM UTC-7, John Corbett wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 9:48:31?PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 5:04:22?PM UTC-7, recip...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 1:44:13?PM UTC-5, donald willis wrote:
On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 7:07:20?PM UTC-7, recip...@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 6:16:14?PM UTC-5, donald willis wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 9:39:46?AM UTC-7, Bud wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:07:30?PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
Since Fritz was up there early,
He wasn`t, he went to Parkland.No, he didn't. Check the radio log transcriptions: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
303 (Dets. R. M. Sims & E. L. Boyd) What hospital did the President go to?
Dispatcher Parkland Hospital
Dispatcher 303, where are you?
303 (Dets. R. M. Sims & E. L. Boyd) Parkland Hospital >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 300 (Capt. John Will Fritz) 300, en route
Dispatcher 300, are you en route to Elm and Hourson to that store?
300 En route to the hospital.
Then check Fritz's testimony & the Sims/Boyd report: Fritz testified, falsely (as you see, above), that he was with Sims & Boyd in the same car to Parkland. He was in a different car, supposedly en route to Parkland, while Sims & Boyd
Curry, between the curb & the hospital..." (v4p204)
Use your head, Dave. If Sims and Boyd were already at Parkland Hospital,
then they wouldn't have needed to ask what hospital the President had
been taken to. The motorcade's presence wasn't exactly a stealth affair
after all!
Michael O'Dell generated a reconstruction of the Channel 2 traffic between
12:15 and 12:46. This was necessary because the existing Channel 2
recordings were marred by repeated skips and repeats, a legacy of the
Gray Audiograph recording system originally used to capture the radio
traffic for posterity. O'Dell took the FBI phonograph copy of the Ch 2
traffic, which is free of skips and repeats at the cost of being variable
speed, and generated the timing for the various transmissions from it.
He then made a reconstruction of the Ch 2 traffic using the best available
copies of each transmission placing them time-wise using the timing he'd
come up with. In his reconstruction, this is what the 12:40 conversation
between the dispatcher and 303 looks like in black and white: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
303: 303
Disp: 10-4. 12:40 [This is in response to 295's previous transmission regarding the president's wounds]
Disp: 303
303: What hospital did the president go to?
Disp: Parkland Hospital
303: 10-4
Disp: Where are you?
303: 300's en route
Disp: 10-4
Disp: Is 300 route en route to Elm and Field at that, uh, correction, Elm and Houston at that store?
303: En route to the hospital
Disp: 10-4
This conversation makes more sense than the FBI version. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
The FBI transcriptionist may have been confused by a skip/repeat >>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the media he/she was using. Also, the voice saying "300's en >>>>>>>>>>>>>> route" is the same one as the "303" transmissions. The >>>>>>>>>>>>>> transcriptionist assumed from the message's content that it was >>>>>>>>>>>>>> sent by Fritz himself, but that is not the case.
It's wise not to take any of the transcripts in the WCH as perfect verbatim.
Good. Let's skip the intricacies of the radio logs/transcriptions and go right to the sources--Fritz and Curry, in their testimony.
Fritz: "I told the two officers with me, Mr. Sims & Boyd that we would run to our police car... We went to Parkland Hospital as we had been instructed, and as we drove up in front of the hospital, we, I suppose, intercepted the chief, Chief
seeing Fritz at Parkland. In fact, he confirms that the detectives were on their own, not with their Captain, and that he sent them with Lumpkin, not Fritz, to the depository. Fritz "supposed" wrong about "intercepting" Curry...
Curry: "[Lumpkin] asked me at the hospital if I didn't want him to go back to the depository, and I told him yes..." (v4p162) Curry does not mention Fritz at the hospital.
Curry again (from his book, "JFK Assassination File", p51): "Immediately after my arrival at the hospital, I had sent Deputy Chief Lumpkin with some Homicide detectives back to the Elm & Houston location..." Again, Curry does not mention
Still, Curry didn't confirm Fritz at the hospital, but then Fritz said only "I suppose" we met Curry. So Fritz doesn't quite confirm Curry.I don't see where Curry mentions seeing Decker at Parkland, either. Not in his testimony or his book. Obviously, Decker could not have been there, by your accounting :-DDid some checking on my own. The Homicide detectives who went with Lumpkin from the hospital to the depository were Senkel & Turner, according to Turner's report (CE 2003 p249). So Curry was right, and I was wrong. I jumped to a conclusion.
thought that it WAS wide-open at 12:30pm on 11/22/63.As I have to keep pointing out to you, it was very specific for Jackson & Brennan, who compared it to two other wide-open windows. Neither could use the "nest" window itself because it was only half open in the photos they were shown. J&B must haveYour obsession with "wide open window" is hilarious. For this one, non-specificOn the rare occasions I have been wrongFrom the guy who, like Trump, can never admit that he was wrong, never walks anything back. Uncool.Here's an idea, Don. Why don't you vet your stories before you post them. That way, you won't
have to walk them back.
Ahem!
, I have owned up to it.
Although, in the case of Jackson & the wide-open window, you have later denied that you originally went along with Specter's "halfway", before taking a look at what he & Jackson were talking about.
So you think...
Yes, unlike you.
You cut him off at just the right place...
Holmes ...
On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 12:42:14 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:Sims & Boyd were already there. Sims & Boyd went to Parkland, Fritz did not.
On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 3:19:21 AM UTC-7, John Corbett wrote:
On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 12:01:34 AM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 3:31:15 PM UTC-7, John Corbett wrote:
On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 11:26:53 AM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 4:03:10 AM UTC-7, John Corbett wrote:
On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 12:06:25 AM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 7:26:42 PM UTC-7, John Corbett wrote:
On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 9:48:31 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 5:04:22 PM UTC-7, recip...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 1:44:13 PM UTC-5, donald willis wrote:
On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 7:07:20 PM UTC-7, recip...@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 6:16:14 PM UTC-5, donald willis wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 9:39:46 AM UTC-7, Bud wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:07:30 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
Since Fritz was up there early,
He wasn`t, he went to Parkland.No, he didn't. Check the radio log transcriptions:
303 (Dets. R. M. Sims & E. L. Boyd) What hospital did the President go to?
Dispatcher Parkland Hospital
Dispatcher 303, where are you?
303 (Dets. R. M. Sims & E. L. Boyd) Parkland Hospital
300 (Capt. John Will Fritz) 300, en route Dispatcher 300, are you en route to Elm and Hourson to that store?
300 En route to the hospital.
Then check Fritz's testimony & the Sims/Boyd report: Fritz testified, falsely (as you see, above), that he was with Sims & Boyd in the same car to Parkland. He was in a different car, supposedly en route to Parkland, while
chief, Chief Curry, between the curb & the hospital..." (v4p204)Use your head, Dave. If Sims and Boyd were already at Parkland Hospital,
then they wouldn't have needed to ask what hospital the President had
been taken to. The motorcade's presence wasn't exactly a stealth affair
after all!
Michael O'Dell generated a reconstruction of the Channel 2 traffic between
12:15 and 12:46. This was necessary because the existing Channel 2
recordings were marred by repeated skips and repeats, a legacy of the
Gray Audiograph recording system originally used to capture the radio
traffic for posterity. O'Dell took the FBI phonograph copy of the Ch 2
traffic, which is free of skips and repeats at the cost of being variable
speed, and generated the timing for the various transmissions from it.
He then made a reconstruction of the Ch 2 traffic using the best available
copies of each transmission placing them time-wise using the timing he'd
come up with. In his reconstruction, this is what the 12:40 conversation
between the dispatcher and 303 looks like in black and white:
303: 303
Disp: 10-4. 12:40 [This is in response to 295's previous transmission regarding the president's wounds]
Disp: 303
303: What hospital did the president go to?
Disp: Parkland Hospital
303: 10-4
Disp: Where are you?
303: 300's en route
Disp: 10-4
Disp: Is 300 route en route to Elm and Field at that, uh, correction, Elm and Houston at that store?
303: En route to the hospital
Disp: 10-4
This conversation makes more sense than the FBI version.
The FBI transcriptionist may have been confused by a skip/repeat
on the media he/she was using. Also, the voice saying "300's en
route" is the same one as the "303" transmissions. The
transcriptionist assumed from the message's content that it was
sent by Fritz himself, but that is not the case.
It's wise not to take any of the transcripts in the WCH as perfect verbatim.
Good. Let's skip the intricacies of the radio logs/transcriptions and go right to the sources--Fritz and Curry, in their testimony.
Fritz: "I told the two officers with me, Mr. Sims & Boyd that we would run to our police car... We went to Parkland Hospital as we had been instructed, and as we drove up in front of the hospital, we, I suppose, intercepted the
mention seeing Fritz at Parkland. In fact, he confirms that the detectives were on their own, not with their Captain, and that he sent them with Lumpkin, not Fritz, to the depository. Fritz "supposed" wrong about "intercepting" Curry...Curry: "[Lumpkin] asked me at the hospital if I didn't want him to go back to the depository, and I told him yes..." (v4p162) Curry does not mention Fritz at the hospital.
Curry again (from his book, "JFK Assassination File", p51): "Immediately after my arrival at the hospital, I had sent Deputy Chief Lumpkin with some Homicide detectives back to the Elm & Houston location..." Again, Curry does not
conclusion. Still, Curry didn't confirm Fritz at the hospital, but then Fritz said only "I suppose" we met Curry. So Fritz doesn't quite confirm Curry.I don't see where Curry mentions seeing Decker at Parkland, either. Not in his testimony or his book. Obviously, Decker could not have been there, by your accounting :-DDid some checking on my own. The Homicide detectives who went with Lumpkin from the hospital to the depository were Senkel & Turner, according to Turner's report (CE 2003 p249). So Curry was right, and I was wrong. I jumped to a
have thought that it WAS wide-open at 12:30pm on 11/22/63.On the rare occasions I have been wrongHere's an idea, Don. Why don't you vet your stories before you post them. That way, you won'tFrom the guy who, like Trump, can never admit that he was wrong, never walks anything back. Uncool.
have to walk them back.
Ahem!
, I have owned up to it.
As I have to keep pointing out to you, it was very specific for Jackson & Brennan, who compared it to two other wide-open windows. Neither could use the "nest" window itself because it was only half open in the photos they were shown. J&B mustAlthough, in the case of Jackson & the wide-open window, you have later denied that you originally went along with Specter's "halfway", before taking a look at what he & Jackson were talking about.Your obsession with "wide open window" is hilarious. For this one, non-specific
You assume reluctance. You fail to consider that they weren't asked by the investigators until days later. Jarman's next day affidavit was about where Oswald was.So you think these witnesses could be wrong about which floor they saw they shooter but youJohnny the Robot speaking...
can't comprehend they could have been wrong about how wide open the window was. Damn,
you're stupid.
All the other evidence screams that they got the floor correct so if they were wrong
about anything, it was how wide open the window was. All the physical evidence was found onOnly Williams was. Jarman couldn't bring himself to put himself on the 5th floor until 2 days after the assassination. Norman didn't say anything until *four* days after the assassination. Very reluctant "witnesses".
the 6th floor. The three black employees all testified they were on the 5th floor.
taken on December 4. It too spoke of Oswald's whereabouts.
fifth floor when the shots were fired. Now if you have an earlier record of what either man said,
by all means present it.
There is a photo
showing they were on the 5th floor. In order to believe your wide open window nonsense, weNo--just two.
have to believe those three employees perjured themselves
, the photo was a forgery, and the
investigators moved all the physical evidence from the 5th floor to the 6thThe rifle never saw the 6th floor--it was processed on the 5th.
for no apparent
reason. Only a moron would believe all that happened.Only a robot would say that.
A robot could do a better job of figuring this out than you.
We have the eyewitnesses who placed the shooter on the sixth floor.
who said the shooter's window was wide open. For the sake of argument, let's say the window
on the sixth floor was not wide open. In absence of any other evidence, an objective look at
this conflict would conclude that either of these accounts could be right but both cannot be
right. That means that any witness who said the shooter fired from a wide open window on
the 6th floor was either wrong about the location or wrong about how wide open the window
was. But there isn't an absence of any other evidence. There is a wealth of evidence that tells
us which element these witnesses got right and which element they got wrong.
In support of the witnesses getting the location (6th floor) right we have the following.
1. The rifle was found on the 6th floor. (chuckle)
2. The spent shells were found on the 6th floor. (chuckle)
3. The rifle bag was found on the 6th floor.
4. Three employees testified they were occupying the fifth floor when the shots were fired from
above them.
5. There is a picture of these same employees looking out the window taken seconds after the
last shot was fired.
In support of the witnesses getting the location wrong and he window poition correct we have
the following:
1. Absolutely nothing.
But of course, like CTs always do, you choose not to look at the rest of the evidence to determine
what the witnesses got wrong and what they got right. You choose to ignore everything else
and arbitrarily decide which element the witnesses got right. As for all that other evidence that
doesn't fit your narrative, you do something else CTs always do. You invent cockamamie excuses
for dismissing all of that other evidence that doesn't fit your silly scenario. On top of everything
else, to this day you have never given a plausible reason for the investigators to go to all the
trouble of creating the illusion the lone gunman was on the 6th floor. Why not just conclude that
the shooter fired from the 5th floor if that is where he actually fired from. What was there to
gain by fabricating evidence that he fired from the 6th floor.
You can't give a sensible answer to any of these questions. You just discovered some time ago
that some of the witnesses described the shooter's window was wide open and you decided that
must be correct and anything that doesn't fit that conclusion must be disregarded and it doesn't
matter how silly your excuses for dismissing everything else are.
Your scenario ...
On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 11:49:41 AM UTC-7, John Corbett wrote:Sims & Boyd were already there. Sims & Boyd went to Parkland, Fritz did not.
On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 12:42:14 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 3:19:21 AM UTC-7, John Corbett wrote:
On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 12:01:34 AM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 3:31:15 PM UTC-7, John Corbett wrote:
On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 11:26:53 AM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 4:03:10 AM UTC-7, John Corbett wrote:
On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 12:06:25 AM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 7:26:42 PM UTC-7, John Corbett wrote:
On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 9:48:31 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 5:04:22 PM UTC-7, recip...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 1:44:13 PM UTC-5, donald willis wrote:
On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 7:07:20 PM UTC-7, recip...@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 6:16:14 PM UTC-5, donald willis wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 9:39:46 AM UTC-7, Bud wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:07:30 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
Since Fritz was up there early,
He wasn`t, he went to Parkland.No, he didn't. Check the radio log transcriptions:
303 (Dets. R. M. Sims & E. L. Boyd) What hospital did the President go to?
Dispatcher Parkland Hospital
Dispatcher 303, where are you?
303 (Dets. R. M. Sims & E. L. Boyd) Parkland Hospital
300 (Capt. John Will Fritz) 300, en route Dispatcher 300, are you en route to Elm and Hourson to that store?
300 En route to the hospital.
Then check Fritz's testimony & the Sims/Boyd report: Fritz testified, falsely (as you see, above), that he was with Sims & Boyd in the same car to Parkland. He was in a different car, supposedly en route to Parkland, while
chief, Chief Curry, between the curb & the hospital..." (v4p204)Use your head, Dave. If Sims and Boyd were already at Parkland Hospital,
then they wouldn't have needed to ask what hospital the President had
been taken to. The motorcade's presence wasn't exactly a stealth affair
after all!
Michael O'Dell generated a reconstruction of the Channel 2 traffic between
12:15 and 12:46. This was necessary because the existing Channel 2
recordings were marred by repeated skips and repeats, a legacy of the
Gray Audiograph recording system originally used to capture the radio
traffic for posterity. O'Dell took the FBI phonograph copy of the Ch 2
traffic, which is free of skips and repeats at the cost of being variable
speed, and generated the timing for the various transmissions from it.
He then made a reconstruction of the Ch 2 traffic using the best available
copies of each transmission placing them time-wise using the timing he'd
come up with. In his reconstruction, this is what the 12:40 conversation
between the dispatcher and 303 looks like in black and white:
303: 303
Disp: 10-4. 12:40 [This is in response to 295's previous transmission regarding the president's wounds]
Disp: 303
303: What hospital did the president go to?
Disp: Parkland Hospital
303: 10-4
Disp: Where are you?
303: 300's en route
Disp: 10-4
Disp: Is 300 route en route to Elm and Field at that, uh, correction, Elm and Houston at that store?
303: En route to the hospital
Disp: 10-4
This conversation makes more sense than the FBI version.
The FBI transcriptionist may have been confused by a skip/repeat
on the media he/she was using. Also, the voice saying "300's en
route" is the same one as the "303" transmissions. The
transcriptionist assumed from the message's content that it was
sent by Fritz himself, but that is not the case.
It's wise not to take any of the transcripts in the WCH as perfect verbatim.
Good. Let's skip the intricacies of the radio logs/transcriptions and go right to the sources--Fritz and Curry, in their testimony.
Fritz: "I told the two officers with me, Mr. Sims & Boyd that we would run to our police car... We went to Parkland Hospital as we had been instructed, and as we drove up in front of the hospital, we, I suppose, intercepted the
not mention seeing Fritz at Parkland. In fact, he confirms that the detectives were on their own, not with their Captain, and that he sent them with Lumpkin, not Fritz, to the depository. Fritz "supposed" wrong about "intercepting" Curry...Curry: "[Lumpkin] asked me at the hospital if I didn't want him to go back to the depository, and I told him yes..." (v4p162) Curry does not mention Fritz at the hospital.
Curry again (from his book, "JFK Assassination File", p51): "Immediately after my arrival at the hospital, I had sent Deputy Chief Lumpkin with some Homicide detectives back to the Elm & Houston location..." Again, Curry does
conclusion. Still, Curry didn't confirm Fritz at the hospital, but then Fritz said only "I suppose" we met Curry. So Fritz doesn't quite confirm Curry.I don't see where Curry mentions seeing Decker at Parkland, either. Not in his testimony or his book. Obviously, Decker could not have been there, by your accounting :-DDid some checking on my own. The Homicide detectives who went with Lumpkin from the hospital to the depository were Senkel & Turner, according to Turner's report (CE 2003 p249). So Curry was right, and I was wrong. I jumped to a
have thought that it WAS wide-open at 12:30pm on 11/22/63.On the rare occasions I have been wrongHere's an idea, Don. Why don't you vet your stories before you post them. That way, you won'tFrom the guy who, like Trump, can never admit that he was wrong, never walks anything back. Uncool.
have to walk them back.
Ahem!
, I have owned up to it.
As I have to keep pointing out to you, it was very specific for Jackson & Brennan, who compared it to two other wide-open windows. Neither could use the "nest" window itself because it was only half open in the photos they were shown. J&B mustAlthough, in the case of Jackson & the wide-open window, you have later denied that you originally went along with Specter's "halfway", before taking a look at what he & Jackson were talking about.Your obsession with "wide open window" is hilarious. For this one, non-specific
testimony: He was NOT out front between 12 & 12:30. Where was Jarman? We don't know. But he doesn't seem to have been either out front or on the 5th floor that hour.Fortunately, he said more than that. He said, for instance, that he was out front with, among others, Bonnie Ray Williams, waiting for the "parade". In other words, he had no idea *where* Williams was. Williams is consistent through his statements andYou assume reluctance. You fail to consider that they weren't asked by the investigators until days later. Jarman's next day affidavit was about where Oswald was.So you think these witnesses could be wrong about which floor they saw they shooter but youJohnny the Robot speaking...
can't comprehend they could have been wrong about how wide open the window was. Damn,
you're stupid.
All the other evidence screams that they got the floor correct so if they were wrong
about anything, it was how wide open the window was. All the physical evidence was found onOnly Williams was. Jarman couldn't bring himself to put himself on the 5th floor until 2 days after the assassination. Norman didn't say anything until *four* days after the assassination. Very reluctant "witnesses".
the 6th floor. The three black employees all testified they were on the 5th floor.
Norman's affidavit wasexactly where & what he was doing on 11/22. And this is 4 days later...
taken on December 4. It too spoke of Oswald's whereabouts.
Norman did say he was on the
fifth floor when the shots were fired. Now if you have an earlier record of what either man said,OK. He was interviewed by the FBI on 11/26. In it, he makes one statement that he never repeated:
by all means present it.
"[Norman], Jarman & Williams ran to the other end of the room & looked out of the windows there. He stated he saw nothing & then RETURNED TO THE WINDOW FROM WHICH HE HAD BEEN PREVIOUSLY LOOKING. As with Jarman's affidavit, Norman doesn't seem to know
sheriffs: 5th floor, as also, originally, did the cop, Harkness, who corralled him.There is a photo
showing they were on the 5th floor. In order to believe your wide open window nonsense, weNo--just two.
have to believe those three employees perjured themselves
, the photo was a forgery, and the
investigators moved all the physical evidence from the 5th floor to the 6thThe rifle never saw the 6th floor--it was processed on the 5th.
for no apparent
reason. Only a moron would believe all that happened.Only a robot would say that.
A robot could do a better job of figuring this out than you.You ought to know!
We have the eyewitnesses who placed the shooter on the sixth floor.And others--such as Chief Deputy Sheriff Allan Sweatt, who placed him on the 5th floor. And others--Edwards, Fischer--who vacillated between 5th & 6th. And another--Amos Euins--who told reporters that the shooter was a "colored man". He also told the
We also have witnesseswitnesses were inconsistent...
who said the shooter's window was wide open. For the sake of argument, let's say the window
on the sixth floor was not wide open. In absence of any other evidence, an objective look at
this conflict would conclude that either of these accounts could be right but both cannot be
right. That means that any witness who said the shooter fired from a wide open window on
the 6th floor was either wrong about the location or wrong about how wide open the window
was. But there isn't an absence of any other evidence. There is a wealth of evidence that tells
us which element these witnesses got right and which element they got wrong.
In support of the witnesses getting the location (6th floor) right we have the following.
1. The rifle was found on the 6th floor. (chuckle)
2. The spent shells were found on the 6th floor. (chuckle)
3. The rifle bag was found on the 6th floor.
4. Three employees testified they were occupying the fifth floor when the shots were fired from
above them.
5. There is a picture of these same employees looking out the window taken seconds after the
last shot was fired.
In support of the witnesses getting the location wrong and he window poition correct we have
the following:
1. Absolutely nothing.6 were asked: Jackson, Brennan, Edwards, & Fischer said fully open. Couch wasn't sure re 5th or 6th or wide open or not. Euins was the only one who testified 6th. And he said, originally, that it was a colored man, and that it was 5th. Outside
On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 7:07:20 PM UTC-7, recip...@gmail.com wrote:there. Sims & Boyd went to Parkland, Fritz did not.
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 6:16:14 PM UTC-5, donald willis wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 9:39:46 AM UTC-7, Bud wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:07:30 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
Since Fritz was up there early,
He wasn`t, he went to Parkland.No, he didn't. Check the radio log transcriptions:
303 (Dets. R. M. Sims & E. L. Boyd) What hospital did the President go to?
Dispatcher Parkland Hospital
Dispatcher 303, where are you?
303 (Dets. R. M. Sims & E. L. Boyd) Parkland Hospital
300 (Capt. John Will Fritz) 300, en route
Dispatcher 300, are you en route to Elm and Hourson to that store?
300 En route to the hospital.
Then check Fritz's testimony & the Sims/Boyd report: Fritz testified, falsely (as you see, above), that he was with Sims & Boyd in the same car to Parkland. He was in a different car, supposedly en route to Parkland, while Sims & Boyd were already
Use your head, Dave. If Sims and Boyd were already at Parkland Hospital, then they wouldn't have needed to ask what hospital the President hadThen the DPD & FBI didn't use their heads either. The DPD/Bowles transcription & the FBI, as you know, both included that repeat "Parkland Hospital". I'm just part of a great tradition... Or maybe there was more than one entrance to Parkland...
been taken to. The motorcade's presence wasn't exactly a stealth affair after all!
later transcribers use a defective recording rather than the one that the Sawyer used?Michael O'Dell generated a reconstruction of the Channel 2 traffic between 12:15 and 12:46. This was necessary because the existing Channel 2 recordings were marred by repeated skips and repeats, a legacy of the
Gray Audiograph recording system originally used to capture the radio traffic for posterity. O'Dell took the FBI phonograph copy of the Ch 2 traffic, which is free of skips and repeats at the cost of being variable speed, and generated the timing for the various transmissions from it.
He then made a reconstruction of the Ch 2 traffic using the best available copies of each transmission placing them time-wise using the timing he'd come up with. In his reconstruction, this is what the 12:40 conversation between the dispatcher and 303 looks like in black and white:
303: 303
Disp: 10-4. 12:40 [This is in response to 295's previous transmission regarding the president's wounds]
Disp: 303
303: What hospital did the president go to?
Disp: Parkland Hospital
303: 10-4
Disp: Where are you?
303: 300's en route
Disp: 10-4
Disp: Is 300 route en route to Elm and Field at that, uh, correction, Elm and Houston at that store?
303: En route to the hospital
Disp: 10-4
This conversation makes more sense than the FBI version.Interesting, too, in that it takes Fritz right out of it. Some LN here opined that 300 himself saying "300's en route" was Fritz correcting "Parkland Hospital". Well, gee, I guess LNs can be wrong, too! (But not Corbett! Oh, no!)
"Skips & repeats" Then I guess that the Sawyer Exhibit A (p392) was not transcribed from the same source as the later DPD & FBI transcriptions. I say that because it does not pick up "Parkland Hospital" after the "Where are you?" If so, why would the
police radio at 12:37 was the voice of Patrolman Haygood, not Patrolman Hill. But the latter ID'd himself twice at the beginning of the transmission ("22... 22").The FBI transcriptionist may have been confused by a skip/repeat
on the media he/she was using. Also, the voice saying "300's en
route" is the same one as the "303" transmissions.
The DPD (that is, CE 705) and the FBI both thought that it was "300" himself saying "300 en route" and "en route to the hospital". So it's DPD (Henslee, Sawyer Exhibits) vs DPD (Bowles, CE 705). I am reminded of the LN who thought that the voice on the
The transcriptionist assumed from the message's content that it was
sent by Fritz himself, but that is not the case.
It's wise not to take any of the transcripts in the WCH as perfect verbatim.
On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 11:52:19 PM UTC-5, donald willis wrote:already there. Sims & Boyd went to Parkland, Fritz did not.
On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 7:07:20 PM UTC-7, recip...@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 6:16:14 PM UTC-5, donald willis wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 9:39:46 AM UTC-7, Bud wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:07:30 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
Since Fritz was up there early,
He wasn`t, he went to Parkland.No, he didn't. Check the radio log transcriptions:
303 (Dets. R. M. Sims & E. L. Boyd) What hospital did the President go to?
Dispatcher Parkland Hospital
Dispatcher 303, where are you?
303 (Dets. R. M. Sims & E. L. Boyd) Parkland Hospital
300 (Capt. John Will Fritz) 300, en route
Dispatcher 300, are you en route to Elm and Hourson to that store?
300 En route to the hospital.
Then check Fritz's testimony & the Sims/Boyd report: Fritz testified, falsely (as you see, above), that he was with Sims & Boyd in the same car to Parkland. He was in a different car, supposedly en route to Parkland, while Sims & Boyd were
later transcribers use a defective recording rather than the one that the Sawyer used?Use your head, Dave. If Sims and Boyd were already at Parkland Hospital, then they wouldn't have needed to ask what hospital the President had been taken to. The motorcade's presence wasn't exactly a stealth affair after all!Then the DPD & FBI didn't use their heads either. The DPD/Bowles transcription & the FBI, as you know, both included that repeat "Parkland Hospital". I'm just part of a great tradition... Or maybe there was more than one entrance to Parkland...
But the Bowles/FBI transcripts were based on inferior copies of the originals
Michael O'Dell generated a reconstruction of the Channel 2 traffic between
12:15 and 12:46. This was necessary because the existing Channel 2 recordings were marred by repeated skips and repeats, a legacy of the Gray Audiograph recording system originally used to capture the radio traffic for posterity. O'Dell took the FBI phonograph copy of the Ch 2 traffic, which is free of skips and repeats at the cost of being variable
speed, and generated the timing for the various transmissions from it. He then made a reconstruction of the Ch 2 traffic using the best available
copies of each transmission placing them time-wise using the timing he'd come up with. In his reconstruction, this is what the 12:40 conversation between the dispatcher and 303 looks like in black and white:
303: 303
Disp: 10-4. 12:40 [This is in response to 295's previous transmission regarding the president's wounds]
Disp: 303
303: What hospital did the president go to?
Disp: Parkland Hospital
303: 10-4
Disp: Where are you?
303: 300's en route
Disp: 10-4
Disp: Is 300 route en route to Elm and Field at that, uh, correction, Elm and Houston at that store?
303: En route to the hospital
Disp: 10-4
This conversation makes more sense than the FBI version.Interesting, too, in that it takes Fritz right out of it. Some LN here opined that 300 himself saying "300's en route" was Fritz correcting "Parkland Hospital". Well, gee, I guess LNs can be wrong, too! (But not Corbett! Oh, no!)
"Skips & repeats" Then I guess that the Sawyer Exhibit A (p392) was not transcribed from the same source as the later DPD & FBI transcriptions. I say that because it does not pick up "Parkland Hospital" after the "Where are you?" If so, why would the
The skips and repeats weren't created on recording, but on playback. The Gray Audiographthe police radio at 12:37 was the voice of Patrolman Haygood, not Patrolman Hill. But the latter ID'd himself twice at the beginning of the transmission ("22... 22").
used to both record and play back channel 2 traffic was particularly cranky in this regard. The
problem became progressively worse each time the Audiograph disk was played, since each
playback added wear to the relatively soft celluloid of the disk. The earlier transcripts were
made directly from the disk. The later transcripts were made from reel-to-real tape copies of
the disks, after they had already been repeatedly played to make the earlier transcriptions. As
the FBI put it in CE1974:
"The [Audiograph] was purchased by the Dallas Police Department in the early 1950's. It was
noted that these disks are badly worn from being played. In many places, the disks skip and
portions of the messages are garbled."
So the later transcriptions were made from a degraded form of the source used by the earlier
transcribers. And your question, "why would the later transcribers use a defective recording
rather than the one that the Sawyer used" is simply answered by noting that entropy is an
inescapable presence in the physical universe. As Sting sings, "when the world is running
down, you make the best of what's still around"
The FBI transcriptionist may have been confused by a skip/repeatThe DPD (that is, CE 705) and the FBI both thought that it was "300" himself saying "300 en route" and "en route to the hospital". So it's DPD (Henslee, Sawyer Exhibits) vs DPD (Bowles, CE 705). I am reminded of the LN who thought that the voice on
on the media he/she was using. Also, the voice saying "300's en
route" is the same one as the "303" transmissions.
Henslee was working directly from the disks, and before repeated playing degraded the quality. He also had the advantage of listening to the radio chatter every day, and so would be better able to distinguish individuals
by the sound of their voice and their speech mannerisms.
As for Haygood....
After going back and listening, the voice of "22" on the ch 2 recording really does sound like the same voice as "142." Hill appears on channel
one about 10 minutes after this, reporting his location as Industrial and Continental and asking whether he should go to Dealey Plaza. The Ch
1 Hill has a higher pitched voice than the one broadcasting to the
motorcade channel.
It's worth pointing out that, at 12:37, the only DPD officers who had any good idea of what happened were those in Dealey Plaza or those who
were assigned to the Motorcade proper. Hill wasn't assigned to any of the JFK-specific details, so there is no reason for him to have been in Dealey Plaza to be involved in the earliest Police response to the assassination. To assert that Hill was the #22 who made the 12:37 broadcast assumes
that he switches his radio to the wrong frequency, tells the dispatcher that the TSBD needs to be sealed off, then drives away and 10 minutes he's miles away asking if he needed to go to Dealey Plaza. That doesn't make sense.
Don't know why the 142 voice is also the 22 voice. Maybe 142 was trying
to say 142, but keyed the mike a bit late, so all that came out was the
last half of 142. Maybe 142 was 22 in a previous life and was prone to flashbacks.
The transcriptionist assumed from the message's content that it was
sent by Fritz himself, but that is not the case.
It's wise not to take any of the transcripts in the WCH as perfect verbatim.
On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 11:52:19 PM UTC-5, donald willis wrote:already there. Sims & Boyd went to Parkland, Fritz did not.
On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 7:07:20 PM UTC-7, recip...@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 6:16:14 PM UTC-5, donald willis wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 9:39:46 AM UTC-7, Bud wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:07:30 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
Since Fritz was up there early,
He wasn`t, he went to Parkland.No, he didn't. Check the radio log transcriptions:
303 (Dets. R. M. Sims & E. L. Boyd) What hospital did the President go to?
Dispatcher Parkland Hospital
Dispatcher 303, where are you?
303 (Dets. R. M. Sims & E. L. Boyd) Parkland Hospital
300 (Capt. John Will Fritz) 300, en route
Dispatcher 300, are you en route to Elm and Hourson to that store?
300 En route to the hospital.
Then check Fritz's testimony & the Sims/Boyd report: Fritz testified, falsely (as you see, above), that he was with Sims & Boyd in the same car to Parkland. He was in a different car, supposedly en route to Parkland, while Sims & Boyd were
later transcribers use a defective recording rather than the one that the Sawyer used?Use your head, Dave. If Sims and Boyd were already at Parkland Hospital, then they wouldn't have needed to ask what hospital the President had been taken to. The motorcade's presence wasn't exactly a stealth affair after all!Then the DPD & FBI didn't use their heads either. The DPD/Bowles transcription & the FBI, as you know, both included that repeat "Parkland Hospital". I'm just part of a great tradition... Or maybe there was more than one entrance to Parkland...
But the Bowles/FBI transcripts were based on inferior copies of the originals
Michael O'Dell generated a reconstruction of the Channel 2 traffic between
12:15 and 12:46. This was necessary because the existing Channel 2 recordings were marred by repeated skips and repeats, a legacy of the Gray Audiograph recording system originally used to capture the radio traffic for posterity. O'Dell took the FBI phonograph copy of the Ch 2 traffic, which is free of skips and repeats at the cost of being variable
speed, and generated the timing for the various transmissions from it. He then made a reconstruction of the Ch 2 traffic using the best available
copies of each transmission placing them time-wise using the timing he'd come up with. In his reconstruction, this is what the 12:40 conversation between the dispatcher and 303 looks like in black and white:
303: 303
Disp: 10-4. 12:40 [This is in response to 295's previous transmission regarding the president's wounds]
Disp: 303
303: What hospital did the president go to?
Disp: Parkland Hospital
303: 10-4
Disp: Where are you?
303: 300's en route
Disp: 10-4
Disp: Is 300 route en route to Elm and Field at that, uh, correction, Elm and Houston at that store?
303: En route to the hospital
Disp: 10-4
This conversation makes more sense than the FBI version.Interesting, too, in that it takes Fritz right out of it. Some LN here opined that 300 himself saying "300's en route" was Fritz correcting "Parkland Hospital". Well, gee, I guess LNs can be wrong, too! (But not Corbett! Oh, no!)
"Skips & repeats" Then I guess that the Sawyer Exhibit A (p392) was not transcribed from the same source as the later DPD & FBI transcriptions. I say that because it does not pick up "Parkland Hospital" after the "Where are you?" If so, why would the
The skips and repeats weren't created on recording, but on playback. The Gray Audiographthe police radio at 12:37 was the voice of Patrolman Haygood, not Patrolman Hill. But the latter ID'd himself twice at the beginning of the transmission ("22... 22").
used to both record and play back channel 2 traffic was particularly cranky in this regard. The
problem became progressively worse each time the Audiograph disk was played, since each
playback added wear to the relatively soft celluloid of the disk. The earlier transcripts were
made directly from the disk. The later transcripts were made from reel-to-real tape copies of
the disks, after they had already been repeatedly played to make the earlier transcriptions. As
the FBI put it in CE1974:
"The [Audiograph] was purchased by the Dallas Police Department in the early 1950's. It was
noted that these disks are badly worn from being played. In many places, the disks skip and
portions of the messages are garbled."
So the later transcriptions were made from a degraded form of the source used by the earlier
transcribers. And your question, "why would the later transcribers use a defective recording
rather than the one that the Sawyer used" is simply answered by noting that entropy is an
inescapable presence in the physical universe. As Sting sings, "when the world is running
down, you make the best of what's still around"
The FBI transcriptionist may have been confused by a skip/repeatThe DPD (that is, CE 705) and the FBI both thought that it was "300" himself saying "300 en route" and "en route to the hospital". So it's DPD (Henslee, Sawyer Exhibits) vs DPD (Bowles, CE 705). I am reminded of the LN who thought that the voice on
on the media he/she was using. Also, the voice saying "300's en
route" is the same one as the "303" transmissions.
Henslee was working directly from the disks, and before repeated playing degraded the quality. He also had the advantage of listening to the radio chatter every day, and so would be better able to distinguish individuals
by the sound of their voice and their speech mannerisms.
As for Haygood....
After going back and listening, the voice of "22" on the ch 2 recording really does sound like the same voice as "142." Hill appears on channel
one about 10 minutes after this, reporting his location as Industrial and Continental and asking whether he should go to Dealey Plaza.
1 Hill has a higher pitched voice than the one broadcasting to the
motorcade channel.
It's worth pointing out that, at 12:37, the only DPD officers who had any good idea of what happened were those in Dealey Plaza or those who
were assigned to the Motorcade proper. Hill wasn't assigned to any of the JFK-specific details, so there is no reason for him to have been in Dealey Plaza to be involved in the earliest Police response to the assassination.
To assert that Hill was the #22 who made the 12:37 broadcast assumes
that he switches his radio to the wrong frequency
the TSBD needs to be sealed off, then drives away and 10 minutes he's miles away asking if he needed to go to Dealey Plaza. That doesn't make sense.
Don't know why the 142 voice is also the 22 voice. Maybe 142 was trying
to say 142, but keyed the mike a bit late, so all that came out was the
last half of 142.
flashbacks.
The transcriptionist assumed from the message's content that it was
sent by Fritz himself, but that is not the case.
It's wise not to take any of the transcripts in the WCH as perfect verbatim.
On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 5:15:56 PM UTC-7, recip...@gmail.com wrote:already there. Sims & Boyd went to Parkland, Fritz did not.
On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 11:52:19 PM UTC-5, donald willis wrote:
On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 7:07:20 PM UTC-7, recip...@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 6:16:14 PM UTC-5, donald willis wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 9:39:46 AM UTC-7, Bud wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:07:30 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
Since Fritz was up there early,
He wasn`t, he went to Parkland.No, he didn't. Check the radio log transcriptions:
303 (Dets. R. M. Sims & E. L. Boyd) What hospital did the President go to?
Dispatcher Parkland Hospital
Dispatcher 303, where are you?
303 (Dets. R. M. Sims & E. L. Boyd) Parkland Hospital
300 (Capt. John Will Fritz) 300, en route
Dispatcher 300, are you en route to Elm and Hourson to that store? 300 En route to the hospital.
Then check Fritz's testimony & the Sims/Boyd report: Fritz testified, falsely (as you see, above), that he was with Sims & Boyd in the same car to Parkland. He was in a different car, supposedly en route to Parkland, while Sims & Boyd were
the later transcribers use a defective recording rather than the one that the Sawyer used?Use your head, Dave. If Sims and Boyd were already at Parkland Hospital,Then the DPD & FBI didn't use their heads either. The DPD/Bowles transcription & the FBI, as you know, both included that repeat "Parkland Hospital". I'm just part of a great tradition... Or maybe there was more than one entrance to Parkland...
then they wouldn't have needed to ask what hospital the President had been taken to. The motorcade's presence wasn't exactly a stealth affair
after all!
But the Bowles/FBI transcripts were based on inferior copies of the originals
Michael O'Dell generated a reconstruction of the Channel 2 traffic between
12:15 and 12:46. This was necessary because the existing Channel 2 recordings were marred by repeated skips and repeats, a legacy of the Gray Audiograph recording system originally used to capture the radio traffic for posterity. O'Dell took the FBI phonograph copy of the Ch 2 traffic, which is free of skips and repeats at the cost of being variable
speed, and generated the timing for the various transmissions from it. He then made a reconstruction of the Ch 2 traffic using the best available
copies of each transmission placing them time-wise using the timing he'd
come up with. In his reconstruction, this is what the 12:40 conversation
between the dispatcher and 303 looks like in black and white:
303: 303
Disp: 10-4. 12:40 [This is in response to 295's previous transmission regarding the president's wounds]
Disp: 303
303: What hospital did the president go to?
Disp: Parkland Hospital
303: 10-4
Disp: Where are you?
303: 300's en route
Disp: 10-4
Disp: Is 300 route en route to Elm and Field at that, uh, correction, Elm and Houston at that store?
303: En route to the hospital
Disp: 10-4
This conversation makes more sense than the FBI version.Interesting, too, in that it takes Fritz right out of it. Some LN here opined that 300 himself saying "300's en route" was Fritz correcting "Parkland Hospital". Well, gee, I guess LNs can be wrong, too! (But not Corbett! Oh, no!)
"Skips & repeats" Then I guess that the Sawyer Exhibit A (p392) was not transcribed from the same source as the later DPD & FBI transcriptions. I say that because it does not pick up "Parkland Hospital" after the "Where are you?" If so, why would
the police radio at 12:37 was the voice of Patrolman Haygood, not Patrolman Hill. But the latter ID'd himself twice at the beginning of the transmission ("22... 22").The skips and repeats weren't created on recording, but on playback. The Gray Audiograph
used to both record and play back channel 2 traffic was particularly cranky in this regard. The
problem became progressively worse each time the Audiograph disk was played, since each
playback added wear to the relatively soft celluloid of the disk. The earlier transcripts were
made directly from the disk. The later transcripts were made from reel-to-real tape copies of
the disks, after they had already been repeatedly played to make the earlier transcriptions. As
the FBI put it in CE1974:
"The [Audiograph] was purchased by the Dallas Police Department in the early 1950's. It was
noted that these disks are badly worn from being played. In many places, the disks skip and
portions of the messages are garbled."
So the later transcriptions were made from a degraded form of the source used by the earlier
transcribers. And your question, "why would the later transcribers use a defective recording
rather than the one that the Sawyer used" is simply answered by noting that entropy is an
inescapable presence in the physical universe. As Sting sings, "when the world is running
down, you make the best of what's still around"
The FBI transcriptionist may have been confused by a skip/repeatThe DPD (that is, CE 705) and the FBI both thought that it was "300" himself saying "300 en route" and "en route to the hospital". So it's DPD (Henslee, Sawyer Exhibits) vs DPD (Bowles, CE 705). I am reminded of the LN who thought that the voice on
on the media he/she was using. Also, the voice saying "300's en
route" is the same one as the "303" transmissions.
floor. Everyone's favorite "mistake" for "sixth" floor--Sawyer supposedly, then, just miscounted floors. No, Henslee mis-transcribed, intentionally, and Haygood went along with Henslee at the hearings. All the better to get around that pesky "secondHenslee was working directly from the disks, and before repeated playing degraded the quality. He also had the advantage of listening to the radio chatter every day, and so would be better able to distinguish individuals by the sound of their voice and their speech mannerisms.You don't take into account possible *intentional* falsifications of the recordings. For instance, Sawyer's 1:12 transmission re the site of the shells. As even LN Richard Trask points out, Sawyer said "third" floor. Sawyer transcribes that as "fifth"
Also, the follow-up to Brewer's citing of the "second" floor. Henslee has Brewer getting all the credit for the FU transmissions. But Bowles, in "JFK First Day Evidence" attributes the FUs to *Hill*. And he's right. Henslee has Brewer in the FU saying "I'll leave the witness here." (Sawyer Exh A p392). But the sender actually said, "I'll leave the WITNESSES here"--I've listened to the tape myself. And Bowles confirms "witnesses" and "22". (JFK FDE p408) And Hill had more than one witness, Tague & the "
As for Haygood....
After going back and listening, the voice of "22" on the ch 2 recording really does sound like the same voice as "142." Hill appears on channel one about 10 minutes after this, reporting his location as Industrial and Continental and asking whether he should go to Dealey Plaza.Not really. What Hill asks is, "Where do you want me?" It's the dispatcher who TELLS him to report to the "vicinity of the triple underpass". (CE 1974 p29) Kind of a difference.
The Ch
1 Hill has a higher pitched voice than the one broadcasting to the motorcade channel.
It's worth pointing out that, at 12:37, the only DPD officers who had any good idea of what happened were those in Dealey Plaza or those whoHill was preceding the motorcade throughout Dallas--he's on the radio earlier from other locations. At 12:03, for instance, he's at "Westmoreland & Ft Worth" (JFK FDE p378). There's no reason for him NOT to be in Dealey, or anywhere else.
were assigned to the Motorcade proper. Hill wasn't assigned to any of the JFK-specific details, so there is no reason for him to have been in Dealey Plaza to be involved in the earliest Police response to the assassination.
To assert that Hill was the #22 who made the 12:37 broadcast assumesRecall that channel one was not operational for about 4 minutes between 12:29 and 12:33. Enough reason for a patrolman to switch frequencies. And to switch back after order was restored.
that he switches his radio to the wrong frequency
tells the dispatcher that
the TSBD needs to be sealed off, then drives away and 10 minutes he's milesYou're phrasing it so that it doesn't make sense. The dispatcher TOLD Hill to go to the triple underpass area.
away asking if he needed to go to Dealey Plaza. That doesn't make sense.
As I said, Hill was very mobile. Later, he ends up at the scene of the library sighting.
Don't know why the 142 voice is also the 22 voice. Maybe 142 was tryingThat might fly, but Hill says "22" twice, so it wasn't just the keying.
to say 142, but keyed the mike a bit late, so all that came out was the last half of 142.
dcw
Maybe 142 was 22 in a previous life and was prone to
flashbacks.
The transcriptionist assumed from the message's content that it was
sent by Fritz himself, but that is not the case.
It's wise not to take any of the transcripts in the WCH as perfect verbatim.
On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 1:15:10 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:already there. Sims & Boyd went to Parkland, Fritz did not.
On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 5:15:56 PM UTC-7, recip...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 11:52:19 PM UTC-5, donald willis wrote:
On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 7:07:20 PM UTC-7, recip...@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 6:16:14 PM UTC-5, donald willis wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 9:39:46 AM UTC-7, Bud wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:07:30 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
Since Fritz was up there early,
He wasn`t, he went to Parkland.No, he didn't. Check the radio log transcriptions:
303 (Dets. R. M. Sims & E. L. Boyd) What hospital did the President go to?
Dispatcher Parkland Hospital
Dispatcher 303, where are you?
303 (Dets. R. M. Sims & E. L. Boyd) Parkland Hospital
300 (Capt. John Will Fritz) 300, en route
Dispatcher 300, are you en route to Elm and Hourson to that store? 300 En route to the hospital.
Then check Fritz's testimony & the Sims/Boyd report: Fritz testified, falsely (as you see, above), that he was with Sims & Boyd in the same car to Parkland. He was in a different car, supposedly en route to Parkland, while Sims & Boyd were
the later transcribers use a defective recording rather than the one that the Sawyer used?Use your head, Dave. If Sims and Boyd were already at Parkland Hospital,Then the DPD & FBI didn't use their heads either. The DPD/Bowles transcription & the FBI, as you know, both included that repeat "Parkland Hospital". I'm just part of a great tradition... Or maybe there was more than one entrance to Parkland...
then they wouldn't have needed to ask what hospital the President had
been taken to. The motorcade's presence wasn't exactly a stealth affair
after all!
But the Bowles/FBI transcripts were based on inferior copies of the originals
Michael O'Dell generated a reconstruction of the Channel 2 traffic between
12:15 and 12:46. This was necessary because the existing Channel 2 recordings were marred by repeated skips and repeats, a legacy of the
Gray Audiograph recording system originally used to capture the radio
traffic for posterity. O'Dell took the FBI phonograph copy of the Ch 2
traffic, which is free of skips and repeats at the cost of being variable
speed, and generated the timing for the various transmissions from it.
He then made a reconstruction of the Ch 2 traffic using the best available
copies of each transmission placing them time-wise using the timing he'd
come up with. In his reconstruction, this is what the 12:40 conversation
between the dispatcher and 303 looks like in black and white:
303: 303
Disp: 10-4. 12:40 [This is in response to 295's previous transmission regarding the president's wounds]
Disp: 303
303: What hospital did the president go to?
Disp: Parkland Hospital
303: 10-4
Disp: Where are you?
303: 300's en route
Disp: 10-4
Disp: Is 300 route en route to Elm and Field at that, uh, correction, Elm and Houston at that store?
303: En route to the hospital
Disp: 10-4
This conversation makes more sense than the FBI version.Interesting, too, in that it takes Fritz right out of it. Some LN here opined that 300 himself saying "300's en route" was Fritz correcting "Parkland Hospital". Well, gee, I guess LNs can be wrong, too! (But not Corbett! Oh, no!)
"Skips & repeats" Then I guess that the Sawyer Exhibit A (p392) was not transcribed from the same source as the later DPD & FBI transcriptions. I say that because it does not pick up "Parkland Hospital" after the "Where are you?" If so, why would
on the police radio at 12:37 was the voice of Patrolman Haygood, not Patrolman Hill. But the latter ID'd himself twice at the beginning of the transmission ("22... 22").The skips and repeats weren't created on recording, but on playback. The Gray Audiograph
used to both record and play back channel 2 traffic was particularly cranky in this regard. The
problem became progressively worse each time the Audiograph disk was played, since each
playback added wear to the relatively soft celluloid of the disk. The earlier transcripts were
made directly from the disk. The later transcripts were made from reel-to-real tape copies of
the disks, after they had already been repeatedly played to make the earlier transcriptions. As
the FBI put it in CE1974:
"The [Audiograph] was purchased by the Dallas Police Department in the early 1950's. It was
noted that these disks are badly worn from being played. In many places, the disks skip and
portions of the messages are garbled."
So the later transcriptions were made from a degraded form of the source used by the earlier
transcribers. And your question, "why would the later transcribers use a defective recording
rather than the one that the Sawyer used" is simply answered by noting that entropy is an
inescapable presence in the physical universe. As Sting sings, "when the world is running
down, you make the best of what's still around"
The FBI transcriptionist may have been confused by a skip/repeatThe DPD (that is, CE 705) and the FBI both thought that it was "300" himself saying "300 en route" and "en route to the hospital". So it's DPD (Henslee, Sawyer Exhibits) vs DPD (Bowles, CE 705). I am reminded of the LN who thought that the voice
on the media he/she was using. Also, the voice saying "300's en route" is the same one as the "303" transmissions.
floor. Everyone's favorite "mistake" for "sixth" floor--Sawyer supposedly, then, just miscounted floors. No, Henslee mis-transcribed, intentionally, and Haygood went along with Henslee at the hearings. All the better to get around that pesky "secondHenslee was working directly from the disks, and before repeated playing degraded the quality. He also had the advantage of listening to the radioYou don't take into account possible *intentional* falsifications of the recordings. For instance, Sawyer's 1:12 transmission re the site of the shells. As even LN Richard Trask points out, Sawyer said "third" floor. Sawyer transcribes that as "fifth"
chatter every day, and so would be better able to distinguish individuals
by the sound of their voice and their speech mannerisms.
saying "I'll leave the witness here." (Sawyer Exh A p392). But the sender actually said, "I'll leave the WITNESSES here"--I've listened to the tape myself. And Bowles confirms "witnesses" and "22". (JFK FDE p408) And Hill had more than one witness, TagueAlso, the follow-up to Brewer's citing of the "second" floor. Henslee has Brewer getting all the credit for the FU transmissions. But Bowles, in "JFK First Day Evidence" attributes the FUs to *Hill*. And he's right. Henslee has Brewer in the FU
As for Haygood....
After going back and listening, the voice of "22" on the ch 2 recording really does sound like the same voice as "142." Hill appears on channel one about 10 minutes after this, reporting his location as Industrial andNot really. What Hill asks is, "Where do you want me?" It's the dispatcher who TELLS him to report to the "vicinity of the triple underpass". (CE 1974 p29) Kind of a difference.
Continental and asking whether he should go to Dealey Plaza.
The Ch
1 Hill has a higher pitched voice than the one broadcasting to the motorcade channel.
It's worth pointing out that, at 12:37, the only DPD officers who had anyHill was preceding the motorcade throughout Dallas--he's on the radio earlier from other locations. At 12:03, for instance, he's at "Westmoreland & Ft Worth" (JFK FDE p378). There's no reason for him NOT to be in Dealey, or anywhere else.
good idea of what happened were those in Dealey Plaza or those who
were assigned to the Motorcade proper. Hill wasn't assigned to any of the
JFK-specific details, so there is no reason for him to have been in Dealey
Plaza to be involved in the earliest Police response to the assassination.
To assert that Hill was the #22 who made the 12:37 broadcast assumes that he switches his radio to the wrong frequencyRecall that channel one was not operational for about 4 minutes between 12:29 and 12:33. Enough reason for a patrolman to switch frequencies. And to switch back after order was restored.
tells the dispatcher that
the TSBD needs to be sealed off, then drives away and 10 minutes he's milesYou're phrasing it so that it doesn't make sense. The dispatcher TOLD Hill to go to the triple underpass area.
away asking if he needed to go to Dealey Plaza. That doesn't make sense.
from Sgt. Harkness. I used to hear that sort of thing playing phonograph records, too, and the channel 2 recorder was a phonograph sort of recorder. Though I have read that this same effect is caused by magnetic tape bleed-through, so it might be anAs I said, Hill was very mobile. Later, he ends up at the scene of the library sighting.
Don't know why the 142 voice is also the 22 voice. Maybe 142 was trying to say 142, but keyed the mike a bit late, so all that came out was the last half of 142.That might fly, but Hill says "22" twice, so it wasn't just the keying.
dcw
Maybe 142 was 22 in a previous life and was prone to
flashbacks.
The transcriptionist assumed from the message's content that it was
sent by Fritz himself, but that is not the case.
It is a characteristic of the channel two recording that a "pre-echo" can often be heard. That's why the "22" sounds as if it had been spoken twice. It really was spoken only once. You get this sort of thing with many other transmissions, includingIt's wise not to take any of the transcripts in the WCH as perfect verbatim.
On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 12:19:58 PM UTC-7, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:already there. Sims & Boyd went to Parkland, Fritz did not.
On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 1:15:10 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 5:15:56 PM UTC-7, recip...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 11:52:19 PM UTC-5, donald willis wrote:
On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 7:07:20 PM UTC-7, recip...@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 6:16:14 PM UTC-5, donald willis wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 9:39:46 AM UTC-7, Bud wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:07:30 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
Since Fritz was up there early,
He wasn`t, he went to Parkland.No, he didn't. Check the radio log transcriptions:
303 (Dets. R. M. Sims & E. L. Boyd) What hospital did the President go to?
Dispatcher Parkland Hospital
Dispatcher 303, where are you?
303 (Dets. R. M. Sims & E. L. Boyd) Parkland Hospital
300 (Capt. John Will Fritz) 300, en route
Dispatcher 300, are you en route to Elm and Hourson to that store?
300 En route to the hospital.
Then check Fritz's testimony & the Sims/Boyd report: Fritz testified, falsely (as you see, above), that he was with Sims & Boyd in the same car to Parkland. He was in a different car, supposedly en route to Parkland, while Sims & Boyd were
would the later transcribers use a defective recording rather than the one that the Sawyer used?Use your head, Dave. If Sims and Boyd were already at Parkland Hospital,Then the DPD & FBI didn't use their heads either. The DPD/Bowles transcription & the FBI, as you know, both included that repeat "Parkland Hospital". I'm just part of a great tradition... Or maybe there was more than one entrance to Parkland...
then they wouldn't have needed to ask what hospital the President had
been taken to. The motorcade's presence wasn't exactly a stealth affair
after all!
But the Bowles/FBI transcripts were based on inferior copies of the originals
Michael O'Dell generated a reconstruction of the Channel 2 traffic between
12:15 and 12:46. This was necessary because the existing Channel 2 recordings were marred by repeated skips and repeats, a legacy of the
Gray Audiograph recording system originally used to capture the radio
traffic for posterity. O'Dell took the FBI phonograph copy of the Ch 2
traffic, which is free of skips and repeats at the cost of being variable
speed, and generated the timing for the various transmissions from it.
He then made a reconstruction of the Ch 2 traffic using the best available
copies of each transmission placing them time-wise using the timing he'd
come up with. In his reconstruction, this is what the 12:40 conversation
between the dispatcher and 303 looks like in black and white:
303: 303
Disp: 10-4. 12:40 [This is in response to 295's previous transmission regarding the president's wounds]
Disp: 303
303: What hospital did the president go to?
Disp: Parkland Hospital
303: 10-4
Disp: Where are you?
303: 300's en route
Disp: 10-4
Disp: Is 300 route en route to Elm and Field at that, uh, correction, Elm and Houston at that store?
303: En route to the hospital
Disp: 10-4
This conversation makes more sense than the FBI version.Interesting, too, in that it takes Fritz right out of it. Some LN here opined that 300 himself saying "300's en route" was Fritz correcting "Parkland Hospital". Well, gee, I guess LNs can be wrong, too! (But not Corbett! Oh, no!)
"Skips & repeats" Then I guess that the Sawyer Exhibit A (p392) was not transcribed from the same source as the later DPD & FBI transcriptions. I say that because it does not pick up "Parkland Hospital" after the "Where are you?" If so, why
voice on the police radio at 12:37 was the voice of Patrolman Haygood, not Patrolman Hill. But the latter ID'd himself twice at the beginning of the transmission ("22... 22").The skips and repeats weren't created on recording, but on playback. The Gray Audiograph
used to both record and play back channel 2 traffic was particularly cranky in this regard. The
problem became progressively worse each time the Audiograph disk was played, since each
playback added wear to the relatively soft celluloid of the disk. The earlier transcripts were
made directly from the disk. The later transcripts were made from reel-to-real tape copies of
the disks, after they had already been repeatedly played to make the earlier transcriptions. As
the FBI put it in CE1974:
"The [Audiograph] was purchased by the Dallas Police Department in the early 1950's. It was
noted that these disks are badly worn from being played. In many places, the disks skip and
portions of the messages are garbled."
So the later transcriptions were made from a degraded form of the source used by the earlier
transcribers. And your question, "why would the later transcribers use a defective recording
rather than the one that the Sawyer used" is simply answered by noting that entropy is an
inescapable presence in the physical universe. As Sting sings, "when the world is running
down, you make the best of what's still around"
The FBI transcriptionist may have been confused by a skip/repeat on the media he/she was using. Also, the voice saying "300's en route" is the same one as the "303" transmissions.The DPD (that is, CE 705) and the FBI both thought that it was "300" himself saying "300 en route" and "en route to the hospital". So it's DPD (Henslee, Sawyer Exhibits) vs DPD (Bowles, CE 705). I am reminded of the LN who thought that the
fifth" floor. Everyone's favorite "mistake" for "sixth" floor--Sawyer supposedly, then, just miscounted floors. No, Henslee mis-transcribed, intentionally, and Haygood went along with Henslee at the hearings. All the better to get around that pesky "Henslee was working directly from the disks, and before repeated playingYou don't take into account possible *intentional* falsifications of the recordings. For instance, Sawyer's 1:12 transmission re the site of the shells. As even LN Richard Trask points out, Sawyer said "third" floor. Sawyer transcribes that as "
degraded the quality. He also had the advantage of listening to the radio
chatter every day, and so would be better able to distinguish individuals
by the sound of their voice and their speech mannerisms.
saying "I'll leave the witness here." (Sawyer Exh A p392). But the sender actually said, "I'll leave the WITNESSES here"--I've listened to the tape myself. And Bowles confirms "witnesses" and "22". (JFK FDE p408) And Hill had more than one witness, TagueAlso, the follow-up to Brewer's citing of the "second" floor. Henslee has Brewer getting all the credit for the FU transmissions. But Bowles, in "JFK First Day Evidence" attributes the FUs to *Hill*. And he's right. Henslee has Brewer in the FU
As for Haygood....
After going back and listening, the voice of "22" on the ch 2 recordingNot really. What Hill asks is, "Where do you want me?" It's the dispatcher who TELLS him to report to the "vicinity of the triple underpass". (CE 1974 p29) Kind of a difference.
really does sound like the same voice as "142." Hill appears on channel
one about 10 minutes after this, reporting his location as Industrial and
Continental and asking whether he should go to Dealey Plaza.
The Ch
1 Hill has a higher pitched voice than the one broadcasting to the motorcade channel.
It's worth pointing out that, at 12:37, the only DPD officers who had anyHill was preceding the motorcade throughout Dallas--he's on the radio earlier from other locations. At 12:03, for instance, he's at "Westmoreland & Ft Worth" (JFK FDE p378). There's no reason for him NOT to be in Dealey, or anywhere else.
good idea of what happened were those in Dealey Plaza or those who were assigned to the Motorcade proper. Hill wasn't assigned to any of the
JFK-specific details, so there is no reason for him to have been in Dealey
Plaza to be involved in the earliest Police response to the assassination.
To assert that Hill was the #22 who made the 12:37 broadcast assumes that he switches his radio to the wrong frequencyRecall that channel one was not operational for about 4 minutes between 12:29 and 12:33. Enough reason for a patrolman to switch frequencies. And to switch back after order was restored.
tells the dispatcher that
the TSBD needs to be sealed off, then drives away and 10 minutes he's milesYou're phrasing it so that it doesn't make sense. The dispatcher TOLD Hill to go to the triple underpass area.
away asking if he needed to go to Dealey Plaza. That doesn't make sense.
from Sgt. Harkness. I used to hear that sort of thing playing phonograph records, too, and the channel 2 recorder was a phonograph sort of recorder. Though I have read that this same effect is caused by magnetic tape bleed-through, so it might be anAs I said, Hill was very mobile. Later, he ends up at the scene of the library sighting.
Don't know why the 142 voice is also the 22 voice. Maybe 142 was tryingThat might fly, but Hill says "22" twice, so it wasn't just the keying.
to say 142, but keyed the mike a bit late, so all that came out was the
last half of 142.
dcw
Maybe 142 was 22 in a previous life and was prone to
flashbacks.
The transcriptionist assumed from the message's content that it was
sent by Fritz himself, but that is not the case.
It is a characteristic of the channel two recording that a "pre-echo" can often be heard. That's why the "22" sounds as if it had been spoken twice. It really was spoken only once. You get this sort of thing with many other transmissions, includingIt's wise not to take any of the transcripts in the WCH as perfect verbatim.
Are pre-echoes usually softer? It seemed as if Hill was trying to get the dispatcher's attention, didn't, then said "22" more loudly. But both the "pre" and the actual voice say "22", like the Warren Report reported, dammit!
On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 5:15:56 PM UTC-7, recip...@gmail.com wrote:already there. Sims & Boyd went to Parkland, Fritz did not.
On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 11:52:19 PM UTC-5, donald willis wrote:
On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 7:07:20 PM UTC-7, recip...@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 6:16:14 PM UTC-5, donald willis wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 9:39:46 AM UTC-7, Bud wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:07:30 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
Since Fritz was up there early,
He wasn`t, he went to Parkland.No, he didn't. Check the radio log transcriptions:
303 (Dets. R. M. Sims & E. L. Boyd) What hospital did the President go to?
Dispatcher Parkland Hospital
Dispatcher 303, where are you?
303 (Dets. R. M. Sims & E. L. Boyd) Parkland Hospital
300 (Capt. John Will Fritz) 300, en route
Dispatcher 300, are you en route to Elm and Hourson to that store? 300 En route to the hospital.
Then check Fritz's testimony & the Sims/Boyd report: Fritz testified, falsely (as you see, above), that he was with Sims & Boyd in the same car to Parkland. He was in a different car, supposedly en route to Parkland, while Sims & Boyd were
the later transcribers use a defective recording rather than the one that the Sawyer used?Use your head, Dave. If Sims and Boyd were already at Parkland Hospital,Then the DPD & FBI didn't use their heads either. The DPD/Bowles transcription & the FBI, as you know, both included that repeat "Parkland Hospital". I'm just part of a great tradition... Or maybe there was more than one entrance to Parkland...
then they wouldn't have needed to ask what hospital the President had been taken to. The motorcade's presence wasn't exactly a stealth affair
after all!
But the Bowles/FBI transcripts were based on inferior copies of the originals
Michael O'Dell generated a reconstruction of the Channel 2 traffic between
12:15 and 12:46. This was necessary because the existing Channel 2 recordings were marred by repeated skips and repeats, a legacy of the Gray Audiograph recording system originally used to capture the radio traffic for posterity. O'Dell took the FBI phonograph copy of the Ch 2 traffic, which is free of skips and repeats at the cost of being variable
speed, and generated the timing for the various transmissions from it. He then made a reconstruction of the Ch 2 traffic using the best available
copies of each transmission placing them time-wise using the timing he'd
come up with. In his reconstruction, this is what the 12:40 conversation
between the dispatcher and 303 looks like in black and white:
303: 303
Disp: 10-4. 12:40 [This is in response to 295's previous transmission regarding the president's wounds]
Disp: 303
303: What hospital did the president go to?
Disp: Parkland Hospital
303: 10-4
Disp: Where are you?
303: 300's en route
Disp: 10-4
Disp: Is 300 route en route to Elm and Field at that, uh, correction, Elm and Houston at that store?
303: En route to the hospital
Disp: 10-4
This conversation makes more sense than the FBI version.Interesting, too, in that it takes Fritz right out of it. Some LN here opined that 300 himself saying "300's en route" was Fritz correcting "Parkland Hospital". Well, gee, I guess LNs can be wrong, too! (But not Corbett! Oh, no!)
"Skips & repeats" Then I guess that the Sawyer Exhibit A (p392) was not transcribed from the same source as the later DPD & FBI transcriptions. I say that because it does not pick up "Parkland Hospital" after the "Where are you?" If so, why would
the police radio at 12:37 was the voice of Patrolman Haygood, not Patrolman Hill. But the latter ID'd himself twice at the beginning of the transmission ("22... 22").The skips and repeats weren't created on recording, but on playback. The Gray Audiograph
used to both record and play back channel 2 traffic was particularly cranky in this regard. The
problem became progressively worse each time the Audiograph disk was played, since each
playback added wear to the relatively soft celluloid of the disk. The earlier transcripts were
made directly from the disk. The later transcripts were made from reel-to-real tape copies of
the disks, after they had already been repeatedly played to make the earlier transcriptions. As
the FBI put it in CE1974:
"The [Audiograph] was purchased by the Dallas Police Department in the early 1950's. It was
noted that these disks are badly worn from being played. In many places, the disks skip and
portions of the messages are garbled."
So the later transcriptions were made from a degraded form of the source used by the earlier
transcribers. And your question, "why would the later transcribers use a defective recording
rather than the one that the Sawyer used" is simply answered by noting that entropy is an
inescapable presence in the physical universe. As Sting sings, "when the world is running
down, you make the best of what's still around"
The FBI transcriptionist may have been confused by a skip/repeatThe DPD (that is, CE 705) and the FBI both thought that it was "300" himself saying "300 en route" and "en route to the hospital". So it's DPD (Henslee, Sawyer Exhibits) vs DPD (Bowles, CE 705). I am reminded of the LN who thought that the voice on
on the media he/she was using. Also, the voice saying "300's en
route" is the same one as the "303" transmissions.
Henslee was working directly from the disks, and before repeated playing degraded the quality. He also had the advantage of listening to the radio chatter every day, and so would be better able to distinguish individuals by the sound of their voice and their speech mannerisms.
You don't take into account possible *intentional* falsifications of the recordings.
For instance, Sawyer's 1:12 transmission re the site of the shells. As even LN Richard Trask points out, Sawyer said "third" floor. Sawyer transcribes that as "fifth" floor. Everyone's favorite "mistake" for "sixth" floor--Sawyer supposedly, then, justmiscounted floors. No, Henslee mis-transcribed, intentionally, and Haygood went along with Henslee at the hearings. All the better to get around that pesky "second window" reference in Hill's first transmission. Haygood dummies up about it, and says he
Also, the follow-up to Brewer's citing of the "second" floor. Henslee has Brewer getting all the credit for the FU transmissions. But Bowles, in "JFK First Day Evidence" attributes the FUs to *Hill*. And he's right. Henslee has Brewer in the FU saying "I'll leave the witness here." (Sawyer Exh A p392). But the sender actually said, "I'll leave the WITNESSES here"--I've listened to the tape myself. And Bowles confirms "witnesses" and "22". (JFK FDE p408) And Hill had more than one witness, Tague & the "
As for Haygood....
After going back and listening, the voice of "22" on the ch 2 recording really does sound like the same voice as "142." Hill appears on channel one about 10 minutes after this, reporting his location as Industrial and Continental and asking whether he should go to Dealey Plaza.
Not really. What Hill asks is, "Where do you want me?" It's the dispatcher who TELLS him to report to the "vicinity of the triple underpass". (CE 1974 p29) Kind of a difference.
The Ch
1 Hill has a higher pitched voice than the one broadcasting to the motorcade channel.
It's worth pointing out that, at 12:37, the only DPD officers who had any good idea of what happened were those in Dealey Plaza or those who
were assigned to the Motorcade proper. Hill wasn't assigned to any of the JFK-specific details, so there is no reason for him to have been in Dealey Plaza to be involved in the earliest Police response to the assassination.
Hill was preceding the motorcade throughout Dallas--he's on the radio earlier from other locations. At 12:03, for instance, he's at "Westmoreland & Ft Worth" (JFK FDE p378). There's no reason for him NOT to be in Dealey, or anywhere else.
To assert that Hill was the #22 who made the 12:37 broadcast assumes
that he switches his radio to the wrong frequency
Recall that channel one was not operational for about 4 minutes between 12:29 and 12:33. Enough reason for a patrolman to switch frequencies. And to switch back after order was restored.
tells the dispatcher that
the TSBD needs to be sealed off, then drives away and 10 minutes he's miles
away asking if he needed to go to Dealey Plaza. That doesn't make sense.
You're phrasing it so that it doesn't make sense. The dispatcher TOLD Hill to go to the triple underpass area.
As I said, Hill was very mobile. Later, he ends up at the scene of the library sighting.
Don't know why the 142 voice is also the 22 voice. Maybe 142 was trying
to say 142, but keyed the mike a bit late, so all that came out was the last half of 142.
That might fly, but Hill says "22" twice, so it wasn't just the keying.
Maybe 142 was 22 in a previous life and was prone to
flashbacks.
The transcriptionist assumed from the message's content that it was
sent by Fritz himself, but that is not the case.
It's wise not to take any of the transcripts in the WCH as perfect verbatim.
On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 12:15:10 PM UTC-5, donald willis wrote:already there. Sims & Boyd went to Parkland, Fritz did not.
On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 5:15:56 PM UTC-7, recip...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 11:52:19 PM UTC-5, donald willis wrote:
On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 7:07:20 PM UTC-7, recip...@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 6:16:14 PM UTC-5, donald willis wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 9:39:46 AM UTC-7, Bud wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:07:30 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
Since Fritz was up there early,
He wasn`t, he went to Parkland.No, he didn't. Check the radio log transcriptions:
303 (Dets. R. M. Sims & E. L. Boyd) What hospital did the President go to?
Dispatcher Parkland Hospital
Dispatcher 303, where are you?
303 (Dets. R. M. Sims & E. L. Boyd) Parkland Hospital
300 (Capt. John Will Fritz) 300, en route
Dispatcher 300, are you en route to Elm and Hourson to that store? 300 En route to the hospital.
Then check Fritz's testimony & the Sims/Boyd report: Fritz testified, falsely (as you see, above), that he was with Sims & Boyd in the same car to Parkland. He was in a different car, supposedly en route to Parkland, while Sims & Boyd were
the later transcribers use a defective recording rather than the one that the Sawyer used?Use your head, Dave. If Sims and Boyd were already at Parkland Hospital,Then the DPD & FBI didn't use their heads either. The DPD/Bowles transcription & the FBI, as you know, both included that repeat "Parkland Hospital". I'm just part of a great tradition... Or maybe there was more than one entrance to Parkland...
then they wouldn't have needed to ask what hospital the President had
been taken to. The motorcade's presence wasn't exactly a stealth affair
after all!
But the Bowles/FBI transcripts were based on inferior copies of the originals
Michael O'Dell generated a reconstruction of the Channel 2 traffic between
12:15 and 12:46. This was necessary because the existing Channel 2 recordings were marred by repeated skips and repeats, a legacy of the
Gray Audiograph recording system originally used to capture the radio
traffic for posterity. O'Dell took the FBI phonograph copy of the Ch 2
traffic, which is free of skips and repeats at the cost of being variable
speed, and generated the timing for the various transmissions from it.
He then made a reconstruction of the Ch 2 traffic using the best available
copies of each transmission placing them time-wise using the timing he'd
come up with. In his reconstruction, this is what the 12:40 conversation
between the dispatcher and 303 looks like in black and white:
303: 303
Disp: 10-4. 12:40 [This is in response to 295's previous transmission regarding the president's wounds]
Disp: 303
303: What hospital did the president go to?
Disp: Parkland Hospital
303: 10-4
Disp: Where are you?
303: 300's en route
Disp: 10-4
Disp: Is 300 route en route to Elm and Field at that, uh, correction, Elm and Houston at that store?
303: En route to the hospital
Disp: 10-4
This conversation makes more sense than the FBI version.Interesting, too, in that it takes Fritz right out of it. Some LN here opined that 300 himself saying "300's en route" was Fritz correcting "Parkland Hospital". Well, gee, I guess LNs can be wrong, too! (But not Corbett! Oh, no!)
"Skips & repeats" Then I guess that the Sawyer Exhibit A (p392) was not transcribed from the same source as the later DPD & FBI transcriptions. I say that because it does not pick up "Parkland Hospital" after the "Where are you?" If so, why would
on the police radio at 12:37 was the voice of Patrolman Haygood, not Patrolman Hill. But the latter ID'd himself twice at the beginning of the transmission ("22... 22").The skips and repeats weren't created on recording, but on playback. The Gray Audiograph
used to both record and play back channel 2 traffic was particularly cranky in this regard. The
problem became progressively worse each time the Audiograph disk was played, since each
playback added wear to the relatively soft celluloid of the disk. The earlier transcripts were
made directly from the disk. The later transcripts were made from reel-to-real tape copies of
the disks, after they had already been repeatedly played to make the earlier transcriptions. As
the FBI put it in CE1974:
"The [Audiograph] was purchased by the Dallas Police Department in the early 1950's. It was
noted that these disks are badly worn from being played. In many places, the disks skip and
portions of the messages are garbled."
So the later transcriptions were made from a degraded form of the source used by the earlier
transcribers. And your question, "why would the later transcribers use a defective recording
rather than the one that the Sawyer used" is simply answered by noting that entropy is an
inescapable presence in the physical universe. As Sting sings, "when the world is running
down, you make the best of what's still around"
The FBI transcriptionist may have been confused by a skip/repeatThe DPD (that is, CE 705) and the FBI both thought that it was "300" himself saying "300 en route" and "en route to the hospital". So it's DPD (Henslee, Sawyer Exhibits) vs DPD (Bowles, CE 705). I am reminded of the LN who thought that the voice
on the media he/she was using. Also, the voice saying "300's en route" is the same one as the "303" transmissions.
Henslee was working directly from the disks, and before repeated playing degraded the quality. He also had the advantage of listening to the radio
chatter every day, and so would be better able to distinguish individuals
by the sound of their voice and their speech mannerisms.
You don't take into account possible *intentional* falsifications of the recordings.You haven't given anyone any good reason to need to take this into account. In reality, your whole screed is a poor attempt to distract from the fact that
the 12:40 conversation between the ch 2 dispatcher and 303 is the only conversation at the time. That's what the recording actually shows. You're just relying a a faulty bit of transcription.
just miscounted floors. No, Henslee mis-transcribed, intentionally, and Haygood went along with Henslee at the hearings. All the better to get around that pesky "second window" reference in Hill's first transmission. Haygood dummies up about it, and saysFor instance, Sawyer's 1:12 transmission re the site of the shells. As even LN Richard Trask points out, Sawyer said "third" floor. Sawyer transcribes that as "fifth" floor. Everyone's favorite "mistake" for "sixth" floor--Sawyer supposedly, then,
What makes Trask an independent expert on the police radio traffic?
If he's relying on a faulty transcript, then he's just as wrong as it is.
Even then, what does it matter if Sawyer said "third" or "fifth?"
Sawyer was on the sidewalk outside of the building, relying on
what others are telling him
circumstances. At the time, he was essentially the communicationssaying "I'll leave the witness here." (Sawyer Exh A p392). But the sender actually said, "I'll leave the WITNESSES here"--I've listened to the tape myself. And Bowles confirms "witnesses" and "22". (JFK FDE p408) And Hill had more than one witness, Tague
hub for all of the Police activity in and around the building. As such
he was deluged by information coming from different directions,
and it's far from impossible that he would telephone-game something
shouted to him from within the building. The witnesses who matter
are the ones who actually saw the hulls in situ.
BTW, if you look at films and photos of the TSBD in the immediate
aftermath of the assassination, the windows on the second, third,
and fourth floors were closed. Did your gunman shoot through the
glass, then instantly replace the broken pane?
Also, the follow-up to Brewer's citing of the "second" floor. Henslee has Brewer getting all the credit for the FU transmissions. But Bowles, in "JFK First Day Evidence" attributes the FUs to *Hill*. And he's right. Henslee has Brewer in the FU
Again, what makes Trask a expert on the DPD radio traffic? And
why is it significant that Henslee omits a plural? All of the transcriptions have errors, including the best ones (e.g. Shearer's take on Channel
1 traffic). Getting a transcription exactly correct is not an easy thing to do, especially when you have to wade through hours of traffic to do so.
But what matters in the end is no what Trask thinks or what Bowles
thinks, or even what's on the transcripts, but what's on the actual recordings. And if you actually listen, you'll hear that the voice behind "22" sounds exactly like the one behind "142." And the Brewer
conversation really is between "137," a number that the dispatcher
confirms in response.
As for Haygood....
After going back and listening, the voice of "22" on the ch 2 recording really does sound like the same voice as "142." Hill appears on channel one about 10 minutes after this, reporting his location as Industrial and
Continental and asking whether he should go to Dealey Plaza.
Not really. What Hill asks is, "Where do you want me?" It's the dispatcher who TELLS him to report to the "vicinity of the triple underpass". (CE 1974 p29) Kind of a difference.Look at the context. The dispatchers begin sending DPD officers to Dealey Plaza en masse at 12:41 on "Code 3" (ie, with sirens and lights). A number of
units check in, some indicating that they are on the way. Others ask if they should go, like 77 and 113. It's not always an explicit question. For instance:
71: 71.
Disp: 71.
71: Corinth and Harwood.
Disp: Code 3.
(Corinth and Harwood is in The Cedars, between downtown and
the Trinity, BTW.)
In this context, "where do you want me?" is the same as "do you want me
to go to Elm and Houston?" It makes no sense any other way.
The Ch
1 Hill has a higher pitched voice than the one broadcasting to the motorcade channel.
It's worth pointing out that, at 12:37, the only DPD officers who had any
good idea of what happened were those in Dealey Plaza or those who
were assigned to the Motorcade proper. Hill wasn't assigned to any of the
JFK-specific details, so there is no reason for him to have been in Dealey
Plaza to be involved in the earliest Police response to the assassination.
Hill was preceding the motorcade throughout Dallas--he's on the radio earlier from other locations. At 12:03, for instance, he's at "Westmoreland & Ft Worth" (JFK FDE p378). There's no reason for him NOT to be in Dealey, or anywhere else.The intersection of Westmoreland and Ft Worth is 4 miles WSW of the closest point on the motorcade route, and south of the Trinity river. This itself disproves your contention that Hill was "preceding the motorcade throughout Dallas"
To assert that Hill was the #22 who made the 12:37 broadcast assumes that he switches his radio to the wrong frequency
Recall that channel one was not operational for about 4 minutes between 12:29 and 12:33. Enough reason for a patrolman to switch frequencies. And to switch back after order was restored.Channel 1 was indeed operational between 12:29 and 12:33. You actually
hear any number of guys trying to key in, and a few actually manage to
say something during the open-mic interval. Anyway, if the open mic on channel one would have caused officers to switch channels, we should see channel-one type radio activity on channel two at the same time as "Hill." That doesn't happen, so you're SOL here.
tells the dispatcher that
the TSBD needs to be sealed off, then drives away and 10 minutes he's miles
away asking if he needed to go to Dealey Plaza. That doesn't make sense.
You're phrasing it so that it doesn't make sense. The dispatcher TOLD Hill to go to the triple underpass area.As I said, in context, Hill's question doesn't make sense unless he's asking whether or not to go to Dealey Plaza.
As I said, Hill was very mobile. Later, he ends up at the scene of the library sighting.So?
Don't know why the 142 voice is also the 22 voice. Maybe 142 was trying to say 142, but keyed the mike a bit late, so all that came out was the last half of 142.
That might fly, but Hill says "22" twice, so it wasn't just the keying.Does he say it twice, or is it just the result of an Audiograph-induced repeat?
Maybe 142 was 22 in a previous life and was prone to
flashbacks.
The transcriptionist assumed from the message's content that it was
sent by Fritz himself, but that is not the case.
It's wise not to take any of the transcripts in the WCH as perfect verbatim.
Sawyer, then, was not "on the sidewalk outside of the building" when the shells were found. He was on the fifth floor, where shells and chicken remains were found. And no one ever said that he shouted out an upstairs window re chicken...
On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 6:13:01 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
Sawyer, then, was not "on the sidewalk outside of the building" when the shells were found. He was on the fifth floor, where shells and chicken remains were found. And no one ever said that he shouted out an upstairs window re chicken...
There were no shells found on the fifth floor. They were all found on the 6th floor where the rifle
and the rifle bag were also found and where the witnesses placed the shooter. Only a moron
would think otherwise.
On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 11:54:12 PM UTC-7, recip...@gmail.com wrote:already there. Sims & Boyd went to Parkland, Fritz did not.
On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 12:15:10 PM UTC-5, donald willis wrote:
On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 5:15:56 PM UTC-7, recip...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 11:52:19 PM UTC-5, donald willis wrote:
On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 7:07:20 PM UTC-7, recip...@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 6:16:14 PM UTC-5, donald willis wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 9:39:46 AM UTC-7, Bud wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:07:30 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
Since Fritz was up there early,
He wasn`t, he went to Parkland.No, he didn't. Check the radio log transcriptions:
303 (Dets. R. M. Sims & E. L. Boyd) What hospital did the President go to?
Dispatcher Parkland Hospital
Dispatcher 303, where are you?
303 (Dets. R. M. Sims & E. L. Boyd) Parkland Hospital
300 (Capt. John Will Fritz) 300, en route
Dispatcher 300, are you en route to Elm and Hourson to that store?
300 En route to the hospital.
Then check Fritz's testimony & the Sims/Boyd report: Fritz testified, falsely (as you see, above), that he was with Sims & Boyd in the same car to Parkland. He was in a different car, supposedly en route to Parkland, while Sims & Boyd were
would the later transcribers use a defective recording rather than the one that the Sawyer used?Use your head, Dave. If Sims and Boyd were already at Parkland Hospital,Then the DPD & FBI didn't use their heads either. The DPD/Bowles transcription & the FBI, as you know, both included that repeat "Parkland Hospital". I'm just part of a great tradition... Or maybe there was more than one entrance to Parkland...
then they wouldn't have needed to ask what hospital the President had
been taken to. The motorcade's presence wasn't exactly a stealth affair
after all!
But the Bowles/FBI transcripts were based on inferior copies of the originals
Michael O'Dell generated a reconstruction of the Channel 2 traffic between
12:15 and 12:46. This was necessary because the existing Channel 2 recordings were marred by repeated skips and repeats, a legacy of the
Gray Audiograph recording system originally used to capture the radio
traffic for posterity. O'Dell took the FBI phonograph copy of the Ch 2
traffic, which is free of skips and repeats at the cost of being variable
speed, and generated the timing for the various transmissions from it.
He then made a reconstruction of the Ch 2 traffic using the best available
copies of each transmission placing them time-wise using the timing he'd
come up with. In his reconstruction, this is what the 12:40 conversation
between the dispatcher and 303 looks like in black and white:
303: 303
Disp: 10-4. 12:40 [This is in response to 295's previous transmission regarding the president's wounds]
Disp: 303
303: What hospital did the president go to?
Disp: Parkland Hospital
303: 10-4
Disp: Where are you?
303: 300's en route
Disp: 10-4
Disp: Is 300 route en route to Elm and Field at that, uh, correction, Elm and Houston at that store?
303: En route to the hospital
Disp: 10-4
This conversation makes more sense than the FBI version.Interesting, too, in that it takes Fritz right out of it. Some LN here opined that 300 himself saying "300's en route" was Fritz correcting "Parkland Hospital". Well, gee, I guess LNs can be wrong, too! (But not Corbett! Oh, no!)
"Skips & repeats" Then I guess that the Sawyer Exhibit A (p392) was not transcribed from the same source as the later DPD & FBI transcriptions. I say that because it does not pick up "Parkland Hospital" after the "Where are you?" If so, why
voice on the police radio at 12:37 was the voice of Patrolman Haygood, not Patrolman Hill. But the latter ID'd himself twice at the beginning of the transmission ("22... 22").The skips and repeats weren't created on recording, but on playback. The Gray Audiograph
used to both record and play back channel 2 traffic was particularly cranky in this regard. The
problem became progressively worse each time the Audiograph disk was played, since each
playback added wear to the relatively soft celluloid of the disk. The earlier transcripts were
made directly from the disk. The later transcripts were made from reel-to-real tape copies of
the disks, after they had already been repeatedly played to make the earlier transcriptions. As
the FBI put it in CE1974:
"The [Audiograph] was purchased by the Dallas Police Department in the early 1950's. It was
noted that these disks are badly worn from being played. In many places, the disks skip and
portions of the messages are garbled."
So the later transcriptions were made from a degraded form of the source used by the earlier
transcribers. And your question, "why would the later transcribers use a defective recording
rather than the one that the Sawyer used" is simply answered by noting that entropy is an
inescapable presence in the physical universe. As Sting sings, "when the world is running
down, you make the best of what's still around"
The FBI transcriptionist may have been confused by a skip/repeat on the media he/she was using. Also, the voice saying "300's en route" is the same one as the "303" transmissions.The DPD (that is, CE 705) and the FBI both thought that it was "300" himself saying "300 en route" and "en route to the hospital". So it's DPD (Henslee, Sawyer Exhibits) vs DPD (Bowles, CE 705). I am reminded of the LN who thought that the
just miscounted floors. No, Henslee mis-transcribed, intentionally, and Haygood went along with Henslee at the hearings. All the better to get around that pesky "second window" reference in Hill's first transmission. Haygood dummies up about it, and saysHenslee was working directly from the disks, and before repeated playing
degraded the quality. He also had the advantage of listening to the radio
chatter every day, and so would be better able to distinguish individuals
by the sound of their voice and their speech mannerisms.
No--I've listened to the tape. But I've now taken into account your suggestion that the second "Parkland Hospital" is just a playback repetition.You don't take into account possible *intentional* falsifications of the recordings.You haven't given anyone any good reason to need to take this into account.
In reality, your whole screed is a poor attempt to distract from the fact that
the 12:40 conversation between the ch 2 dispatcher and 303 is the only conversation at the time. That's what the recording actually shows. You're just relying a a faulty bit of transcription.
For instance, Sawyer's 1:12 transmission re the site of the shells. As even LN Richard Trask points out, Sawyer said "third" floor. Sawyer transcribes that as "fifth" floor. Everyone's favorite "mistake" for "sixth" floor--Sawyer supposedly, then,
to Elm & Houston (CE 1974 p26). Sawyer had just heard, at 12:46, from the dispatcher, that "it did come from the fifth or fourth floor of that building" (Sawyer exh. A p399), his first knowledge that shots had come from the depository. He testified thatWhat makes Trask an independent expert on the police radio traffic?He wasn't. A footnote: "Audio tape of DPD transmissions, 11/22/63, as provided by Stephan N. Barber, and transcribed by Trask" (p557, 558).
If he's relying on a faulty transcript, then he's just as wrong as it is.
Even then, what does it matter if Sawyer said "third" or "fifth?"Sgt. Gerald Hill, accompanied in his car by Officer James Valentine, testified that when they arrived at the depository, they went inside with Sawyer (v7p45). This would be about 12:50 or so: Hill/Valentine radioed at 12:48 that they were on their way
Sawyer was on the sidewalk outside of the building, relying on
what others are telling him
So, Sawyer is entering the building some 20 minutes later than he first testified, and about 14 minutes after his second shot at his entry time. (Counsel--after first correcting Sawyer re the 12:30 time--in error, accepted that second time.) He toldBelin that he was down and out the building by about "12:37" (v6p320). In fact, he hadn't even gone in yet, not for another 13 minutes or so! When did he actually leave the building? We don't know, but not at least until about 12:55 or 1:00, if he didn't
In other words, Sawyer was in the building, still, about the time--12:48
Sawyer, then, was not "on the sidewalk outside of the building" when the shells were found. He was on the fifth floor, where shells and chicken remains were found. And no one ever said that he shouted out an upstairs window re chicken...
Reminds me--I better stop for lunch...
dcw
, quite possibly under less-than-ideal
circumstances. At the time, he was essentially the communications
hub for all of the Police activity in and around the building. As such
he was deluged by information coming from different directions,
and it's far from impossible that he would telephone-game something shouted to him from within the building. The witnesses who matter
are the ones who actually saw the hulls in situ.
BTW, if you look at films and photos of the TSBD in the immediate aftermath of the assassination, the windows on the second, third,
and fourth floors were closed. Did your gunman shoot through the
glass, then instantly replace the broken pane?
saying "I'll leave the witness here." (Sawyer Exh A p392). But the sender actually said, "I'll leave the WITNESSES here"--I've listened to the tape myself. And Bowles confirms "witnesses" and "22". (JFK FDE p408) And Hill had more than one witness, TagueAlso, the follow-up to Brewer's citing of the "second" floor. Henslee has Brewer getting all the credit for the FU transmissions. But Bowles, in "JFK First Day Evidence" attributes the FUs to *Hill*. And he's right. Henslee has Brewer in the FU
Again, what makes Trask a expert on the DPD radio traffic? And
why is it significant that Henslee omits a plural?
have errors, including the best ones (e.g. Shearer's take on Channel
1 traffic). Getting a transcription exactly correct is not an easy thing to
do, especially when you have to wade through hours of traffic to do so. But what matters in the end is no what Trask thinks or what Bowles
thinks, or even what's on the transcripts, but what's on the actual recordings. And if you actually listen, you'll hear that the voice behind "22" sounds exactly like the one behind "142."
conversation really is between "137," a number that the dispatcher confirms in response.
As for Haygood....
After going back and listening, the voice of "22" on the ch 2 recording
really does sound like the same voice as "142." Hill appears on channel
one about 10 minutes after this, reporting his location as Industrial and
Continental and asking whether he should go to Dealey Plaza.
Not really. What Hill asks is, "Where do you want me?" It's the dispatcher who TELLS him to report to the "vicinity of the triple underpass". (CE 1974 p29) Kind of a difference.Look at the context. The dispatchers begin sending DPD officers to Dealey Plaza en masse at 12:41 on "Code 3" (ie, with sirens and lights). A number of
units check in, some indicating that they are on the way. Others ask if they
should go, like 77 and 113. It's not always an explicit question. For instance:
71: 71.
Disp: 71.
71: Corinth and Harwood.
Disp: Code 3.
(Corinth and Harwood is in The Cedars, between downtown and
the Trinity, BTW.)
In this context, "where do you want me?" is the same as "do you want me
to go to Elm and Houston?" It makes no sense any other way.
The Ch
1 Hill has a higher pitched voice than the one broadcasting to the motorcade channel.
It's worth pointing out that, at 12:37, the only DPD officers who had any
good idea of what happened were those in Dealey Plaza or those who were assigned to the Motorcade proper. Hill wasn't assigned to any of the
JFK-specific details, so there is no reason for him to have been in Dealey
Plaza to be involved in the earliest Police response to the assassination.
Hill was preceding the motorcade throughout Dallas--he's on the radio earlier from other locations. At 12:03, for instance, he's at "Westmoreland & Ft Worth" (JFK FDE p378). There's no reason for him NOT to be in Dealey, or anywhere else.The intersection of Westmoreland and Ft Worth is 4 miles WSW of the closest
point on the motorcade route, and south of the Trinity river. This itself disproves your contention that Hill was "preceding the motorcade throughout
Dallas"
To assert that Hill was the #22 who made the 12:37 broadcast assumes that he switches his radio to the wrong frequency
Recall that channel one was not operational for about 4 minutes between 12:29 and 12:33. Enough reason for a patrolman to switch frequencies. And to switch back after order was restored.Channel 1 was indeed operational between 12:29 and 12:33. You actually hear any number of guys trying to key in, and a few actually manage to
say something during the open-mic interval. Anyway, if the open mic on channel one would have caused officers to switch channels, we should see channel-one type radio activity on channel two at the same time as "Hill."
That doesn't happen, so you're SOL here.
tells the dispatcher that
the TSBD needs to be sealed off, then drives away and 10 minutes he's miles
away asking if he needed to go to Dealey Plaza. That doesn't make sense.
You're phrasing it so that it doesn't make sense. The dispatcher TOLD Hill to go to the triple underpass area.As I said, in context, Hill's question doesn't make sense unless he's asking
whether or not to go to Dealey Plaza.
As I said, Hill was very mobile. Later, he ends up at the scene of the library sighting.So?
Don't know why the 142 voice is also the 22 voice. Maybe 142 was trying
to say 142, but keyed the mike a bit late, so all that came out was the
last half of 142.
That might fly, but Hill says "22" twice, so it wasn't just the keying.Does he say it twice, or is it just the result of an Audiograph-induced repeat?
Maybe 142 was 22 in a previous life and was prone to
flashbacks.
The transcriptionist assumed from the message's content that it was
sent by Fritz himself, but that is not the case.
It's wise not to take any of the transcripts in the WCH as perfect verbatim.
On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 4:52:22 PM UTC-7, John Corbett wrote:
On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 6:13:01 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
Sawyer, then, was not "on the sidewalk outside of the building" when the shells were found. He was on the fifth floor, where shells and chicken remains were found. And no one ever said that he shouted out an upstairs window re chicken...
There were no shells found on the fifth floor. They were all found on the 6th floor where the rifleJohn Robot loves spouting the lies of Commission witnesses.
and the rifle bag were also found and where the witnesses placed the shooter. Only a moron
would think otherwise.
On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 11:08:43 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 4:52:22 PM UTC-7, John Corbett wrote:
On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 6:13:01 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
Sawyer, then, was not "on the sidewalk outside of the building" when the shells were found. He was on the fifth floor, where shells and chicken remains were found. And no one ever said that he shouted out an upstairs window re chicken...
You love spouting shit you make up out of thin air. Why do you bother trying to peddle this crap.There were no shells found on the fifth floor. They were all found on the 6th floor where the rifleJohn Robot loves spouting the lies of Commission witnesses.
and the rifle bag were also found and where the witnesses placed the shooter. Only a moron
would think otherwise.
Nobody is buying it. Everyone knows you're an idiot. Even the other CTs, even if they won't say it.
On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 2:41:59 AM UTC-7, John Corbett wrote:
On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 11:08:43 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 4:52:22 PM UTC-7, John Corbett wrote:
On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 6:13:01 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
Sawyer, then, was not "on the sidewalk outside of the building" when the shells were found. He was on the fifth floor, where shells and chicken remains were found. And no one ever said that he shouted out an upstairs window re chicken...
Could John Robot even *spell* "ad hominem"? Whether he can or not, he is all ad hominem nowadays. Sad.You love spouting shit you make up out of thin air. Why do you bother trying to peddle this crap.There were no shells found on the fifth floor. They were all found on the 6th floor where the rifleJohn Robot loves spouting the lies of Commission witnesses.
and the rifle bag were also found and where the witnesses placed the shooter. Only a moron
would think otherwise.
Nobody is buying it. Everyone knows you're an idiot. Even the other CTs, even if they won't say it.
On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 11:50:41 AM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 2:41:59 AM UTC-7, John Corbett wrote:
On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 11:08:43 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 4:52:22 PM UTC-7, John Corbett wrote:
On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 6:13:01 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
Sawyer, then, was not "on the sidewalk outside of the building" when the shells were found. He was on the fifth floor, where shells and chicken remains were found. And no one ever said that he shouted out an upstairs window re chicken...
I discovered long ago that reason and logic were wasted on your. The ad hominems are just meCould John Robot even *spell* "ad hominem"? Whether he can or not, he is all ad hominem nowadays. Sad.You love spouting shit you make up out of thin air. Why do you bother trying to peddle this crap.There were no shells found on the fifth floor. They were all found on the 6th floor where the rifleJohn Robot loves spouting the lies of Commission witnesses.
and the rifle bag were also found and where the witnesses placed the shooter. Only a moron
would think otherwise.
Nobody is buying it. Everyone knows you're an idiot. Even the other CTs, even if they won't say it.
being honest.
On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 9:41:58 AM UTC-7, John Corbett wrote:
On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 11:50:41 AM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 2:41:59 AM UTC-7, John Corbett wrote:
On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 11:08:43 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 4:52:22 PM UTC-7, John Corbett wrote:
On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 6:13:01 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
Sawyer, then, was not "on the sidewalk outside of the building" when the shells were found. He was on the fifth floor, where shells and chicken remains were found. And no one ever said that he shouted out an upstairs window re chicken...
Or just sad.I discovered long ago that reason and logic were wasted on your. The ad hominems are just meCould John Robot even *spell* "ad hominem"? Whether he can or not, he is all ad hominem nowadays. Sad.You love spouting shit you make up out of thin air. Why do you bother trying to peddle this crap.There were no shells found on the fifth floor. They were all found on the 6th floor where the rifleJohn Robot loves spouting the lies of Commission witnesses.
and the rifle bag were also found and where the witnesses placed the shooter. Only a moron
would think otherwise.
Nobody is buying it. Everyone knows you're an idiot. Even the other CTs, even if they won't say it.
being honest.
On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 9:48:46 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 9:41:58 AM UTC-7, John Corbett wrote:
On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 11:50:41 AM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 2:41:59 AM UTC-7, John Corbett wrote:
On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 11:08:43 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 4:52:22 PM UTC-7, John Corbett wrote:
On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 6:13:01 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
Sawyer, then, was not "on the sidewalk outside of the building" when the shells were found. He was on the fifth floor, where shells and chicken remains were found. And no one ever said that he shouted out an upstairs window re chicken...
If CTs made me sad, why would I bother hanging out here. I do it for the amusement.Or just sad.I discovered long ago that reason and logic were wasted on your. The ad hominems are just meCould John Robot even *spell* "ad hominem"? Whether he can or not, he is all ad hominem nowadays. Sad.You love spouting shit you make up out of thin air. Why do you bother trying to peddle this crap.There were no shells found on the fifth floor. They were all found on the 6th floor where the rifleJohn Robot loves spouting the lies of Commission witnesses.
and the rifle bag were also found and where the witnesses placed the shooter. Only a moron
would think otherwise.
Nobody is buying it. Everyone knows you're an idiot. Even the other CTs, even if they won't say it.
being honest.
On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 6:13:01?PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
There were no shells found on the fifth floor. They were all found on the 6th floor where the rifle
Sawyer, then, was not "on the sidewalk outside of the building" when the shells were found. He was on the fifth floor, where shells and chicken remains were found. And no one ever said that he shouted out an upstairs window re chicken...
and the rifle bag were also found and where the witnesses placed the shooter. Only a moron
would think otherwise.
On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 11:54:12 PM UTC-7, recip...@gmail.com wrote:already there. Sims & Boyd went to Parkland, Fritz did not.
On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 12:15:10 PM UTC-5, donald willis wrote:
On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 5:15:56 PM UTC-7, recip...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 11:52:19 PM UTC-5, donald willis wrote:
On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 7:07:20 PM UTC-7, recip...@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 6:16:14 PM UTC-5, donald willis wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 9:39:46 AM UTC-7, Bud wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:07:30 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
Since Fritz was up there early,
He wasn`t, he went to Parkland.No, he didn't. Check the radio log transcriptions:
303 (Dets. R. M. Sims & E. L. Boyd) What hospital did the President go to?
Dispatcher Parkland Hospital
Dispatcher 303, where are you?
303 (Dets. R. M. Sims & E. L. Boyd) Parkland Hospital
300 (Capt. John Will Fritz) 300, en route
Dispatcher 300, are you en route to Elm and Hourson to that store?
300 En route to the hospital.
Then check Fritz's testimony & the Sims/Boyd report: Fritz testified, falsely (as you see, above), that he was with Sims & Boyd in the same car to Parkland. He was in a different car, supposedly en route to Parkland, while Sims & Boyd were
would the later transcribers use a defective recording rather than the one that the Sawyer used?Use your head, Dave. If Sims and Boyd were already at Parkland Hospital,Then the DPD & FBI didn't use their heads either. The DPD/Bowles transcription & the FBI, as you know, both included that repeat "Parkland Hospital". I'm just part of a great tradition... Or maybe there was more than one entrance to Parkland...
then they wouldn't have needed to ask what hospital the President had
been taken to. The motorcade's presence wasn't exactly a stealth affair
after all!
But the Bowles/FBI transcripts were based on inferior copies of the originals
Michael O'Dell generated a reconstruction of the Channel 2 traffic between
12:15 and 12:46. This was necessary because the existing Channel 2 recordings were marred by repeated skips and repeats, a legacy of the
Gray Audiograph recording system originally used to capture the radio
traffic for posterity. O'Dell took the FBI phonograph copy of the Ch 2
traffic, which is free of skips and repeats at the cost of being variable
speed, and generated the timing for the various transmissions from it.
He then made a reconstruction of the Ch 2 traffic using the best available
copies of each transmission placing them time-wise using the timing he'd
come up with. In his reconstruction, this is what the 12:40 conversation
between the dispatcher and 303 looks like in black and white:
303: 303
Disp: 10-4. 12:40 [This is in response to 295's previous transmission regarding the president's wounds]
Disp: 303
303: What hospital did the president go to?
Disp: Parkland Hospital
303: 10-4
Disp: Where are you?
303: 300's en route
Disp: 10-4
Disp: Is 300 route en route to Elm and Field at that, uh, correction, Elm and Houston at that store?
303: En route to the hospital
Disp: 10-4
This conversation makes more sense than the FBI version.Interesting, too, in that it takes Fritz right out of it. Some LN here opined that 300 himself saying "300's en route" was Fritz correcting "Parkland Hospital". Well, gee, I guess LNs can be wrong, too! (But not Corbett! Oh, no!)
"Skips & repeats" Then I guess that the Sawyer Exhibit A (p392) was not transcribed from the same source as the later DPD & FBI transcriptions. I say that because it does not pick up "Parkland Hospital" after the "Where are you?" If so, why
voice on the police radio at 12:37 was the voice of Patrolman Haygood, not Patrolman Hill. But the latter ID'd himself twice at the beginning of the transmission ("22... 22").The skips and repeats weren't created on recording, but on playback. The Gray Audiograph
used to both record and play back channel 2 traffic was particularly cranky in this regard. The
problem became progressively worse each time the Audiograph disk was played, since each
playback added wear to the relatively soft celluloid of the disk. The earlier transcripts were
made directly from the disk. The later transcripts were made from reel-to-real tape copies of
the disks, after they had already been repeatedly played to make the earlier transcriptions. As
the FBI put it in CE1974:
"The [Audiograph] was purchased by the Dallas Police Department in the early 1950's. It was
noted that these disks are badly worn from being played. In many places, the disks skip and
portions of the messages are garbled."
So the later transcriptions were made from a degraded form of the source used by the earlier
transcribers. And your question, "why would the later transcribers use a defective recording
rather than the one that the Sawyer used" is simply answered by noting that entropy is an
inescapable presence in the physical universe. As Sting sings, "when the world is running
down, you make the best of what's still around"
The FBI transcriptionist may have been confused by a skip/repeat on the media he/she was using. Also, the voice saying "300's en route" is the same one as the "303" transmissions.The DPD (that is, CE 705) and the FBI both thought that it was "300" himself saying "300 en route" and "en route to the hospital". So it's DPD (Henslee, Sawyer Exhibits) vs DPD (Bowles, CE 705). I am reminded of the LN who thought that the
just miscounted floors. No, Henslee mis-transcribed, intentionally, and Haygood went along with Henslee at the hearings. All the better to get around that pesky "second window" reference in Hill's first transmission. Haygood dummies up about it, and saysHenslee was working directly from the disks, and before repeated playing
degraded the quality. He also had the advantage of listening to the radio
chatter every day, and so would be better able to distinguish individuals
by the sound of their voice and their speech mannerisms.
You don't take into account possible *intentional* falsifications of the recordings.You haven't given anyone any good reason to need to take this into account.
In reality, your whole screed is a poor attempt to distract from the fact that
the 12:40 conversation between the ch 2 dispatcher and 303 is the only conversation at the time. That's what the recording actually shows. You're just relying a a faulty bit of transcription.
No--I've listened to the tape. But I've now taken into account your suggestion that the second "Parkland Hospital" is just a playback repetition.
For instance, Sawyer's 1:12 transmission re the site of the shells. As even LN Richard Trask points out, Sawyer said "third" floor. Sawyer transcribes that as "fifth" floor. Everyone's favorite "mistake" for "sixth" floor--Sawyer supposedly, then,
What makes Trask an independent expert on the police radio traffic?He wasn't. A footnote: "Audio tape of DPD transmissions, 11/22/63, as provided by Stephan N. Barber, and transcribed by Trask" (p557, 558).
If he's relying on a faulty transcript, then he's just as wrong as it is.
to Elm & Houston (CE 1974 p26). Sawyer had just heard, at 12:46, from the dispatcher, that "it did come from the fifth or fourth floor of that building" (Sawyer exh. A p399), his first knowledge that shots had come from the depository. He testified thatEven then, what does it matter if Sawyer said "third" or "fifth?"Sgt. Gerald Hill, accompanied in his car by Officer James Valentine, testified that when they arrived at the depository, they went inside with Sawyer (v7p45). This would be about 12:50 or so: Hill/Valentine radioed at 12:48 that they were on their way
Sawyer was on the sidewalk outside of the building, relying on
what others are telling him
So, Sawyer is entering the building some 20 minutes later than he first testified, and about 14 minutes after his second shot at his entry time. (Counsel--after first correcting Sawyer re the 12:30 time--in error, accepted that second time.) He toldBelin that he was down and out the building by about "12:37" (v6p320). In fact, he hadn't even gone in yet, not for another 13 minutes or so! When did he actually leave the building? We don't know, but not at least until about 12:55 or 1:00, if he didn't
In other words, Sawyer was in the building, still, about the time--12:48--that the shells were found. And his destination was the 4th or 5th floor. In his testimony, he pretends that due to some elevator confusion, he went up only to the 4th floor. Butanother member of his search party, Valentine, wrote that he, Valentine, was "assigned to the fifth floor" (v25p914).
Sawyer, then, was not "on the sidewalk outside of the building" when the shells were found. He was on the fifth floor, where shells and chicken remains were found. And no one ever said that he shouted out an upstairs window re chicken...
Reminds me--I better stop for lunch...saying "I'll leave the witness here." (Sawyer Exh A p392). But the sender actually said, "I'll leave the WITNESSES here"--I've listened to the tape myself. And Bowles confirms "witnesses" and "22". (JFK FDE p408) And Hill had more than one witness, Tague
dcw
, quite possibly under less-than-ideal
circumstances. At the time, he was essentially the communications
hub for all of the Police activity in and around the building. As such
he was deluged by information coming from different directions,
and it's far from impossible that he would telephone-game something shouted to him from within the building. The witnesses who matter
are the ones who actually saw the hulls in situ.
BTW, if you look at films and photos of the TSBD in the immediate aftermath of the assassination, the windows on the second, third,
and fourth floors were closed. Did your gunman shoot through the
glass, then instantly replace the broken pane?
Also, the follow-up to Brewer's citing of the "second" floor. Henslee has Brewer getting all the credit for the FU transmissions. But Bowles, in "JFK First Day Evidence" attributes the FUs to *Hill*. And he's right. Henslee has Brewer in the FU
Again, what makes Trask a expert on the DPD radio traffic? And
why is it significant that Henslee omits a plural? All of the transcriptions
have errors, including the best ones (e.g. Shearer's take on Channel
1 traffic). Getting a transcription exactly correct is not an easy thing to
do, especially when you have to wade through hours of traffic to do so. But what matters in the end is no what Trask thinks or what Bowles
thinks, or even what's on the transcripts, but what's on the actual recordings. And if you actually listen, you'll hear that the voice behind "22" sounds exactly like the one behind "142." And the Brewer
conversation really is between "137," a number that the dispatcher confirms in response.
As for Haygood....
After going back and listening, the voice of "22" on the ch 2 recording
really does sound like the same voice as "142." Hill appears on channel
one about 10 minutes after this, reporting his location as Industrial and
Continental and asking whether he should go to Dealey Plaza.
Not really. What Hill asks is, "Where do you want me?" It's the dispatcher who TELLS him to report to the "vicinity of the triple underpass". (CE 1974 p29) Kind of a difference.Look at the context. The dispatchers begin sending DPD officers to Dealey Plaza en masse at 12:41 on "Code 3" (ie, with sirens and lights). A number of
units check in, some indicating that they are on the way. Others ask if they
should go, like 77 and 113. It's not always an explicit question. For instance:
71: 71.
Disp: 71.
71: Corinth and Harwood.
Disp: Code 3.
(Corinth and Harwood is in The Cedars, between downtown and
the Trinity, BTW.)
In this context, "where do you want me?" is the same as "do you want me
to go to Elm and Houston?" It makes no sense any other way.
The Ch
1 Hill has a higher pitched voice than the one broadcasting to the motorcade channel.
It's worth pointing out that, at 12:37, the only DPD officers who had any
good idea of what happened were those in Dealey Plaza or those who were assigned to the Motorcade proper. Hill wasn't assigned to any of the
JFK-specific details, so there is no reason for him to have been in Dealey
Plaza to be involved in the earliest Police response to the assassination.
Hill was preceding the motorcade throughout Dallas--he's on the radio earlier from other locations. At 12:03, for instance, he's at "Westmoreland & Ft Worth" (JFK FDE p378). There's no reason for him NOT to be in Dealey, or anywhere else.The intersection of Westmoreland and Ft Worth is 4 miles WSW of the closest
point on the motorcade route, and south of the Trinity river. This itself disproves your contention that Hill was "preceding the motorcade throughout
Dallas"
To assert that Hill was the #22 who made the 12:37 broadcast assumes that he switches his radio to the wrong frequency
Recall that channel one was not operational for about 4 minutes between 12:29 and 12:33. Enough reason for a patrolman to switch frequencies. And to switch back after order was restored.Channel 1 was indeed operational between 12:29 and 12:33. You actually hear any number of guys trying to key in, and a few actually manage to
say something during the open-mic interval. Anyway, if the open mic on channel one would have caused officers to switch channels, we should see channel-one type radio activity on channel two at the same time as "Hill." That doesn't happen, so you're SOL here.
tells the dispatcher that
the TSBD needs to be sealed off, then drives away and 10 minutes he's miles
away asking if he needed to go to Dealey Plaza. That doesn't make sense.
You're phrasing it so that it doesn't make sense. The dispatcher TOLD Hill to go to the triple underpass area.As I said, in context, Hill's question doesn't make sense unless he's asking
whether or not to go to Dealey Plaza.
As I said, Hill was very mobile. Later, he ends up at the scene of the library sighting.So?
Don't know why the 142 voice is also the 22 voice. Maybe 142 was trying
to say 142, but keyed the mike a bit late, so all that came out was the
last half of 142.
That might fly, but Hill says "22" twice, so it wasn't just the keying.Does he say it twice, or is it just the result of an Audiograph-induced repeat?
Maybe 142 was 22 in a previous life and was prone to
flashbacks.
The transcriptionist assumed from the message's content that it was
sent by Fritz himself, but that is not the case.
It's wise not to take any of the transcripts in the WCH as perfect verbatim.
On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 5:13:01 PM UTC-5, donald willis wrote:were already there. Sims & Boyd went to Parkland, Fritz did not.
On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 11:54:12 PM UTC-7, recip...@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 12:15:10 PM UTC-5, donald willis wrote:
On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 5:15:56 PM UTC-7, recip...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 11:52:19 PM UTC-5, donald willis wrote:
On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 7:07:20 PM UTC-7, recip...@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 6:16:14 PM UTC-5, donald willis wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 9:39:46 AM UTC-7, Bud wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:07:30 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
Since Fritz was up there early,
He wasn`t, he went to Parkland.No, he didn't. Check the radio log transcriptions:
303 (Dets. R. M. Sims & E. L. Boyd) What hospital did the President go to?
Dispatcher Parkland Hospital
Dispatcher 303, where are you?
303 (Dets. R. M. Sims & E. L. Boyd) Parkland Hospital
300 (Capt. John Will Fritz) 300, en route
Dispatcher 300, are you en route to Elm and Hourson to that store?
300 En route to the hospital.
Then check Fritz's testimony & the Sims/Boyd report: Fritz testified, falsely (as you see, above), that he was with Sims & Boyd in the same car to Parkland. He was in a different car, supposedly en route to Parkland, while Sims & Boyd
.Use your head, Dave. If Sims and Boyd were already at Parkland Hospital,Then the DPD & FBI didn't use their heads either. The DPD/Bowles transcription & the FBI, as you know, both included that repeat "Parkland Hospital". I'm just part of a great tradition... Or maybe there was more than one entrance to Parkland..
then they wouldn't have needed to ask what hospital the President had
been taken to. The motorcade's presence wasn't exactly a stealth affair
after all!
would the later transcribers use a defective recording rather than the one that the Sawyer used?But the Bowles/FBI transcripts were based on inferior copies of the originals
Michael O'Dell generated a reconstruction of the Channel 2 traffic between
12:15 and 12:46. This was necessary because the existing Channel 2
recordings were marred by repeated skips and repeats, a legacy of the
Gray Audiograph recording system originally used to capture the radio
traffic for posterity. O'Dell took the FBI phonograph copy of the Ch 2
traffic, which is free of skips and repeats at the cost of being variable
speed, and generated the timing for the various transmissions from it.
He then made a reconstruction of the Ch 2 traffic using the best available
copies of each transmission placing them time-wise using the timing he'd
come up with. In his reconstruction, this is what the 12:40 conversation
between the dispatcher and 303 looks like in black and white:
303: 303
Disp: 10-4. 12:40 [This is in response to 295's previous transmission regarding the president's wounds]
Disp: 303
303: What hospital did the president go to?
Disp: Parkland Hospital
303: 10-4
Disp: Where are you?
303: 300's en route
Disp: 10-4
Disp: Is 300 route en route to Elm and Field at that, uh, correction, Elm and Houston at that store?
303: En route to the hospital
Disp: 10-4
This conversation makes more sense than the FBI version.Interesting, too, in that it takes Fritz right out of it. Some LN here opined that 300 himself saying "300's en route" was Fritz correcting "Parkland Hospital". Well, gee, I guess LNs can be wrong, too! (But not Corbett! Oh, no!)
"Skips & repeats" Then I guess that the Sawyer Exhibit A (p392) was not transcribed from the same source as the later DPD & FBI transcriptions. I say that because it does not pick up "Parkland Hospital" after the "Where are you?" If so, why
voice on the police radio at 12:37 was the voice of Patrolman Haygood, not Patrolman Hill. But the latter ID'd himself twice at the beginning of the transmission ("22... 22").The skips and repeats weren't created on recording, but on playback. The Gray Audiograph
used to both record and play back channel 2 traffic was particularly cranky in this regard. The
problem became progressively worse each time the Audiograph disk was played, since each
playback added wear to the relatively soft celluloid of the disk. The earlier transcripts were
made directly from the disk. The later transcripts were made from reel-to-real tape copies of
the disks, after they had already been repeatedly played to make the earlier transcriptions. As
the FBI put it in CE1974:
"The [Audiograph] was purchased by the Dallas Police Department in the early 1950's. It was
noted that these disks are badly worn from being played. In many places, the disks skip and
portions of the messages are garbled."
So the later transcriptions were made from a degraded form of the source used by the earlier
transcribers. And your question, "why would the later transcribers use a defective recording
rather than the one that the Sawyer used" is simply answered by noting that entropy is an
inescapable presence in the physical universe. As Sting sings, "when the world is running
down, you make the best of what's still around"
The FBI transcriptionist may have been confused by a skip/repeat on the media he/she was using. Also, the voice saying "300's en route" is the same one as the "303" transmissions.The DPD (that is, CE 705) and the FBI both thought that it was "300" himself saying "300 en route" and "en route to the hospital". So it's DPD (Henslee, Sawyer Exhibits) vs DPD (Bowles, CE 705). I am reminded of the LN who thought that the
just miscounted floors. No, Henslee mis-transcribed, intentionally, and Haygood went along with Henslee at the hearings. All the better to get around that pesky "second window" reference in Hill's first transmission. Haygood dummies up about it, and saysHenslee was working directly from the disks, and before repeated playing
degraded the quality. He also had the advantage of listening to the radio
chatter every day, and so would be better able to distinguish individuals
by the sound of their voice and their speech mannerisms.
You don't take into account possible *intentional* falsifications of the recordings.You haven't given anyone any good reason to need to take this into account.
In reality, your whole screed is a poor attempt to distract from the fact that
the 12:40 conversation between the ch 2 dispatcher and 303 is the only conversation at the time. That's what the recording actually shows. You're
just relying a a faulty bit of transcription.
No--I've listened to the tape. But I've now taken into account your suggestion that the second "Parkland Hospital" is just a playback repetition.
For instance, Sawyer's 1:12 transmission re the site of the shells. As even LN Richard Trask points out, Sawyer said "third" floor. Sawyer transcribes that as "fifth" floor. Everyone's favorite "mistake" for "sixth" floor--Sawyer supposedly, then,
Trask still missed that "Hill's" voice sounds exactly like Haygood's, and is different from the 12:47 Hill's.What makes Trask an independent expert on the police radio traffic?He wasn't. A footnote: "Audio tape of DPD transmissions, 11/22/63, as provided by Stephan N. Barber, and transcribed by Trask" (p557, 558).
If he's relying on a faulty transcript, then he's just as wrong as it is.
way to Elm & Houston (CE 1974 p26). Sawyer had just heard, at 12:46, from the dispatcher, that "it did come from the fifth or fourth floor of that building" (Sawyer exh. A p399), his first knowledge that shots had come from the depository. He testifiedEven then, what does it matter if Sawyer said "third" or "fifth?"Sgt. Gerald Hill, accompanied in his car by Officer James Valentine, testified that when they arrived at the depository, they went inside with Sawyer (v7p45). This would be about 12:50 or so: Hill/Valentine radioed at 12:48 that they were on their
Sawyer was on the sidewalk outside of the building, relying on
what others are telling him
Belin that he was down and out the building by about "12:37" (v6p320). In fact, he hadn't even gone in yet, not for another 13 minutes or so! When did he actually leave the building? We don't know, but not at least until about 12:55 or 1:00, if he didn'tSo, Sawyer is entering the building some 20 minutes later than he first testified, and about 14 minutes after his second shot at his entry time. (Counsel--after first correcting Sawyer re the 12:30 time--in error, accepted that second time.) He told
But another member of his search party, Valentine, wrote that he, Valentine, was "assigned to the fifth floor" (v25p914).In other words, Sawyer was in the building, still, about the time--12:48--that the shells were found. And his destination was the 4th or 5th floor. In his testimony, he pretends that due to some elevator confusion, he went up only to the 4th floor.
Sawyer, then, was not "on the sidewalk outside of the building" when the shells were found. He was on the fifth floor, where shells and chicken remains were found. And no one ever said that he shouted out an upstairs window re chicken...Sawyer testified that he exited his car in front of the TSBD no earlier than 12:34. In reality, the Martin film and Harkness' testimony indicate that Sawyer pulled to the curb about 12:36.
Sawyer said that he then spent a few minutes listening to what people had to say
about what had happened before taking a small delegation of DPD officers up the front elevator to the fourth floor.
He looked around the floor for a coupe of minutes, then went back down to the sidewalk in front of the building.
Hill never actually claimed that Sawyer was with him in the TSBD during Hill's many happy adventures in the building. Hill mentions Sawyer being in front of the TSBD when Hill initially shows up
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