• McAdams Simply Ran From This...

    From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to All on Wed Aug 16 14:28:35 2023
    In article <lh64n5d67vrqnpsjbh95gl443vuka4u8lj@4ax.com>, John McAdams
    says...

    On 9 Feb 2010 13:12:57 -0800, Ben Holmes <admin@burningknife.com>
    wrote:

    In article <4b71ad5a.3697816265@news.supernews.com>, John McAdams says...

    On 1 Feb 2010 06:02:17 -0800, Ben Holmes <admin@burningknife.com>
    wrote:


    38. "... but there is no evidence that an "A. J. Hidell" existed." (WCR 292)

    "Because Oswald's use of this pseudonym became known quickly after the >>>>assassination, investigations were conducted with regard to persons using the
    name Hidell or names similar to it." (WCR 313)

    "Hidell was a favorite alias used by Oswald on a number of occasions. Diligent
    search has failed to reveal any person in Dallas or New Orleans by that name."
    (WCR 645)

    But the actual evidence shows otherwise:

    "I, John Rene Heindel, 812 Belleville Street, New Orleans, Louisiana, being >>>>first duly sworn, depose and say: ...While in the Marine Corps, I was often >>>>referred to as "Hidell"--pronounced so as to rhyme with "Rydell" rather than
    "Fidel." This was a nickname and not merely an inadvertent mispronunciation. It
    is possible that Oswald might have heard me being called by this name; indeed he
    may himself have called me "Hidell." However, I have no specific recollection of
    his either using or hearing this name." (8H 318)

    If a LNT'er wishes to argue that the staff was unaware of this deposition, >>>>they'll need to face this:

    Mr. JENNER. Do you remember a marine by the name of John Heindel?
    Mr. POWERS. No, sir.
    Mr. JENNER. Sometimes called Hidell? This is Atsugi now.
    Mr. POWERS. No. (8H 288)

    The WCR once again, simply lied. And although John R. Heindel was known from a
    Secret Service investigation conducted in New Orleans from 22Nov - 2Dec; (See
    CE3119 pg 12) no other research has been presented... presumably, the FBI, >>>>Secret Service, and WC simply declined to investigate Heindel.


    Perhaps you can explain how this matters?

    Of course one can speculate that "Hidell" was really Oswald's
    corruption of "Heindel."

    But maybe it was a corruption of his hero "Fidel."

    How does it matter?

    Notice that here John has accepted the proof that the WC was well
    aware that an actual "Hidell" existed... yet blatantly lied about that
    fact... and so John is really asking: "Why does it matter that the WC
    simply lied about their own evidence?"

    When you have to ask that question - you're simply showing that the
    truth doesn't matter to you at all.


    .John

    Denying the evidence is typical of the LNT'er crowd...


    Translation: I have no idea why this would in sinister to even the
    slightest degree, but I'm going to huff and puff about it.


    You like to pretend that you don't understand these issues... you
    understand all too well.


    Oswald frequently used the alias "Alex Hidell." Where that came from
    is speculation. But it doesn't really matter where it came from.


    What matters, John; is that the WC had a habit of lying about their
    own evidence.

    And you can't provide a reasonable, non-conspiratorial explanation
    why.


    .John


    McAdams never did respond to this... he was like Huckster in that
    regard, simply up and disappear when he had no credible argument to
    make... or faced evidence he can't explain.

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  • From Bud@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Wed Aug 16 14:46:25 2023
    On Wednesday, August 16, 2023 at 5:28:42 PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    In article <lh64n5d67vrqnpsjb...@4ax.com>, John McAdams
    says...

    On 9 Feb 2010 13:12:57 -0800, Ben Holmes <ad...@burningknife.com>
    wrote:

    In article <4b71ad5a....@news.supernews.com>, John McAdams says...

    On 1 Feb 2010 06:02:17 -0800, Ben Holmes <ad...@burningknife.com> >>>wrote:


    38. "... but there is no evidence that an "A. J. Hidell" existed." (WCR 292)

    "Because Oswald's use of this pseudonym became known quickly after the >>>>assassination, investigations were conducted with regard to persons using the
    name Hidell or names similar to it." (WCR 313)

    "Hidell was a favorite alias used by Oswald on a number of occasions. Diligent
    search has failed to reveal any person in Dallas or New Orleans by that name."
    (WCR 645)

    But the actual evidence shows otherwise:

    "I, John Rene Heindel, 812 Belleville Street, New Orleans, Louisiana, being
    first duly sworn, depose and say: ...While in the Marine Corps, I was often
    referred to as "Hidell"--pronounced so as to rhyme with "Rydell" rather than
    "Fidel." This was a nickname

    So, not a name.

    and not merely an inadvertent mispronunciation. It
    is possible that Oswald might have heard me being called by this name; indeed he
    may himself have called me "Hidell." However, I have no specific recollection of
    his either using or hearing this name." (8H 318)

    If a LNT'er wishes to argue that the staff was unaware of this deposition,
    they'll need to face this:

    Mr. JENNER. Do you remember a marine by the name of John Heindel? >>>>Mr. POWERS. No, sir.
    Mr. JENNER. Sometimes called Hidell? This is Atsugi now.
    Mr. POWERS. No. (8H 288)

    The WCR once again, simply lied. And although John R. Heindel was known from a
    Secret Service investigation conducted in New Orleans from 22Nov - 2Dec; (See
    CE3119 pg 12) no other research has been presented... presumably, the FBI,
    Secret Service, and WC simply declined to investigate Heindel.


    Perhaps you can explain how this matters?

    Of course one can speculate that "Hidell" was really Oswald's >>>corruption of "Heindel."

    But maybe it was a corruption of his hero "Fidel."

    How does it matter?

    Notice that here John has accepted the proof that the WC was well
    aware that an actual "Hidell" existed... yet blatantly lied about that fact... and so John is really asking: "Why does it matter that the WC
    simply lied about their own evidence?"

    When you have to ask that question - you're simply showing that the
    truth doesn't matter to you at all.


    .John

    Denying the evidence is typical of the LNT'er crowd...


    Translation: I have no idea why this would in sinister to even the >slightest degree, but I'm going to huff and puff about it.


    You like to pretend that you don't understand these issues... you
    understand all too well.


    Oswald frequently used the alias "Alex Hidell." Where that came from
    is speculation. But it doesn't really matter where it came from.


    What matters, John; is that the WC had a habit of lying about their
    own evidence.

    And you can't provide a reasonable, non-conspiratorial explanation
    why.


    .John


    McAdams never did respond to this... he was like Huckster in that
    regard, simply up and disappear when he had no credible argument to
    make... or faced evidence he can't explain.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to All on Wed Aug 16 15:07:08 2023
    On Wed, 16 Aug 2023 14:46:25 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirslick@fast.net>
    wrote:

    So, according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval" shape that was
    "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

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