• How Gil's mind works

    From John Corbett@21:1/5 to All on Sun Aug 13 09:15:35 2023
    It might have been more appropriate to title this thread "How Gil's mind malfunctions", but let's go with what we have.

    Carolyn Arnold gave two documented versions of what she saw on the day
    of the assassination, in an FBI report four days after the assassination and her signed affidavit four months after the assassination. There were a couple differences in the two documents. In the FBI report, she said she might have seen Oswald inside the front entrance after she and her co-workers had
    gone outside shortly before 12:15. In the affidavit, she stated she left the building at 12:25 and made no mention of seeing Oswald before the shooting
    and made it a point to say she didn't see him at the time the shots were fired. There is a mundane explanation for these discrepancies. That explanation is that at the time, Arnold would have had no reason to make a mental note as
    to the exact time she left the building, nor would it have seemed the least
    bit important to her that she might have seen Oswald near the front entrance. When people don't notice things in the present, it's unlikely they are going to have a clear memory of them later on whether that would be four days later
    or four months later.

    But that explanation is far too mundane for Gil. He treats the differences in the two accounts as evidence the FBI doctored Arnold's first statement. He
    has them changing the time she might have seen Oswald because he wants
    to believe Oswald was still near the front door as late as 12:25, even though Arnold's signed statement didn't say she saw Oswald at that time. The
    question Gil never bothers to ask himself is this. If the FBI was going to manipulate Arnold's statement, why would they change the time of the
    sighting? Why wouldn't they just leave that part out altogether? It seems to
    me if they were trying to frame Oswald, they wouldn't want anything on the record that indicated he was anywhere on the first floor at any time after 12:00.

    Gil, by his own admission, is acting as Oswald's defense counsel, not an objective seeker of the truth. As such, he is going to treat every minor discrepancy in eyewitness accounts as evidence that the entire law
    enforcement apparatus, the DPD, the sheriff's department, the FBI, and the Secret Service all immediately went into cover up mode and decided to frame poor little Lee Harvey Oswald for the crime of the century. They had no interest whatsoever finding the actual perpetrator(s) of the assassination
    nor the killing of a Dallas police officer. Gil never bothers to explain why they
    would do such a thing and how every last one of them, with the notable exception of Roger Craig, agreed to go along with the cover up.

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  • From Gil Jesus@21:1/5 to All on Sun Aug 13 10:52:05 2023
    On Sunday, August 13, 2023 at 12:15:37 PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:

    < complete bullshit deleted >

    Did she leave the building at 12:15 or 12:25 ?
    It's YOUR evidence collected by the authorities YOU support.
    So enlighten us.
    And don't post your bullshit opinions and psycho-analyzations of what the witnesses thought.
    Did she leave the building at 12:15 or 12:25 ?

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  • From David Healy@21:1/5 to John Corbett on Sun Aug 13 19:43:37 2023
    On Sunday, August 13, 2023 at 9:15:37 AM UTC-7, John Corbett wrote:
    It might have been more appropriate to title this thread "How Gil's mind malfunctions", but let's go with what we have.

    Carolyn Arnold gave two documented versions of what she saw on the day
    of the assassination, in an FBI report four days after the assassination and her signed affidavit four months after the assassination. There were a couple
    differences in the two documents. In the FBI report, she said she might have seen Oswald inside the front entrance after she and her co-workers had
    gone outside shortly before 12:15. In the affidavit, she stated she left the building at 12:25 and made no mention of seeing Oswald before the shooting and made it a point to say she didn't see him at the time the shots were fired.
    There is a mundane explanation for these discrepancies. That explanation is that at the time, Arnold would have had no reason to make a mental note as to the exact time she left the building, nor would it have seemed the least bit important to her that she might have seen Oswald near the front entrance.
    When people don't notice things in the present, it's unlikely they are going to
    have a clear memory of them later on whether that would be four days later or four months later.

    But that explanation is far too mundane for Gil. He treats the differences in
    the two accounts as evidence the FBI doctored Arnold's first statement. He has them changing the time she might have seen Oswald because he wants
    to believe Oswald was still near the front door as late as 12:25, even though
    Arnold's signed statement didn't say she saw Oswald at that time. The question Gil never bothers to ask himself is this. If the FBI was going to manipulate Arnold's statement, why would they change the time of the sighting? Why wouldn't they just leave that part out altogether? It seems to me if they were trying to frame Oswald, they wouldn't want anything on the record that indicated he was anywhere on the first floor at any time after 12:00.

    Gil, by his own admission, is acting as Oswald's defense counsel, not an objective seeker of the truth. As such, he is going to treat every minor discrepancy in eyewitness accounts as evidence that the entire law enforcement apparatus, the DPD, the sheriff's department, the FBI, and the Secret Service all immediately went into cover up mode and decided to frame poor little Lee Harvey Oswald for the crime of the century. They had no interest whatsoever finding the actual perpetrator(s) of the assassination nor the killing of a Dallas police officer. Gil never bothers to explain why they
    would do such a thing and how every last one of them, with the notable exception of Roger Craig, agreed to go along with the cover up.

    sit, munchkin... you are overtasking those 3 braincells you own... rookies always sit at the back of the bus, get where you belong, Studley...

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  • From Brian Doyle@21:1/5 to All on Mon Aug 14 06:36:00 2023
    On Sunday, August 13, 2023 at 12:15:37 PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:



    Gil is giving too many opportunities to Lone Nutter trolls like Corbett because of his research stupidity...


    As to Carolyn Arnold - the only thing that can be said about her is she was a dangerous witness whose testimony FBI radically altered in order to remove her witnessing of Oswald in the 2nd Floor Lunch Room during the assassination...FBI did similar
    bastardization of the evidence with Sarah Stanton, Jack Dougherty, and Victoria Adams...Gil is dumb enough to back FBI's lies against those witnesses and defend it like a High School idiot and the rest of the phony so-called "Conspiracy" community doesn'
    t say a word...

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  • From BT George@21:1/5 to John Corbett on Mon Aug 14 07:05:15 2023
    On Sunday, August 13, 2023 at 11:15:37 AM UTC-5, John Corbett wrote:
    It might have been more appropriate to title this thread "How Gil's mind malfunctions", but let's go with what we have.

    Carolyn Arnold gave two documented versions of what she saw on the day
    of the assassination, in an FBI report four days after the assassination and her signed affidavit four months after the assassination. There were a couple
    differences in the two documents. In the FBI report, she said she might have seen Oswald inside the front entrance after she and her co-workers had
    gone outside shortly before 12:15. In the affidavit, she stated she left the building at 12:25 and made no mention of seeing Oswald before the shooting and made it a point to say she didn't see him at the time the shots were fired.
    There is a mundane explanation for these discrepancies. That explanation is that at the time, Arnold would have had no reason to make a mental note as to the exact time she left the building, nor would it have seemed the least bit important to her that she might have seen Oswald near the front entrance.
    When people don't notice things in the present, it's unlikely they are going to
    have a clear memory of them later on whether that would be four days later or four months later.

    But that explanation is far too mundane for Gil. He treats the differences in
    the two accounts as evidence the FBI doctored Arnold's first statement. He has them changing the time she might have seen Oswald because he wants
    to believe Oswald was still near the front door as late as 12:25, even though
    Arnold's signed statement didn't say she saw Oswald at that time. The question Gil never bothers to ask himself is this. If the FBI was going to manipulate Arnold's statement, why would they change the time of the sighting? Why wouldn't they just leave that part out altogether? It seems to me if they were trying to frame Oswald, they wouldn't want anything on the record that indicated he was anywhere on the first floor at any time after 12:00.

    Gil, by his own admission, is acting as Oswald's defense counsel, not an objective seeker of the truth. As such, he is going to treat every minor discrepancy in eyewitness accounts as evidence that the entire law enforcement apparatus, the DPD, the sheriff's department, the FBI, and the Secret Service all immediately went into cover up mode and decided to frame poor little Lee Harvey Oswald for the crime of the century. They had no interest whatsoever finding the actual perpetrator(s) of the assassination nor the killing of a Dallas police officer. Gil never bothers to explain why they
    would do such a thing and how every last one of them, with the notable exception of Roger Craig, agreed to go along with the cover up.

    Where no man has gone before.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to geowright1963@gmail.com on Mon Aug 14 08:24:42 2023
    On Sun, 13 Aug 2023 09:15:35 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett <geowright1963@gmail.com> wrote:

    It might have been more appropriate to title this thread "How Gil's mind >malfunctions", but let's go with what we have.

    Ah! I see Corbutt has learned the Huckster trick of word vomit...

    Deleted.

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  • From Gil Jesus@21:1/5 to Brian Doyle on Mon Aug 14 09:10:14 2023
    On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 9:36:02 AM UTC-4, Brian Doyle wrote:
    On Sunday, August 13, 2023 at 12:15:37 PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:



    Gil is giving too many opportunities to Lone Nutter trolls like Corbett because of his research stupidity...


    As to Carolyn Arnold - the only thing that can be said about her is she was a dangerous witness whose testimony FBI radically altered in order to remove her witnessing of Oswald in the 2nd Floor Lunch Room during the assassination...

    So they preferred to have her see Oswald on the first floor ?
    Makes no sense.
    If they wanted to hide her seeing him on the second floor, why have her saying she saw him on the FIRST floor ?
    Why not just put in their report that she didn't see him, like all the other witnesses ?

    FBI did similar bastardization of the evidence with Sarah Stanton, Jack Dougherty, and Victoria Adams...

    Source ?

    Gil is dumb enough to back FBI's lies against those witnesses and defend it like a High School idiot and the rest of the phony so-called "Conspiracy" community doesn't say a word...

    On behalf of all the High School idiots, you're daft.
    And yeah, we know, everybody else is wrong and you're right.

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  • From Gil Jesus@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Mon Aug 14 09:11:24 2023
    On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 11:24:46 AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    Ah! I see Corbutt has learned the Huckster trick of word vomit...

    The asshole thinks he's a psychiatrist. LOL

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to gjjmail1202@gmail.com on Mon Aug 14 09:18:23 2023
    On Mon, 14 Aug 2023 09:11:24 -0700 (PDT), Gil Jesus
    <gjjmail1202@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 11:24:46?AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    Ah! I see Corbutt has learned the Huckster trick of word vomit...

    The asshole thinks he's a psychiatrist. LOL

    Huckster has the trick of vomiting forth a large couple of
    paragraphs... often to hide the fact that he just got spanked with
    evidence he hates.

    Corbutt is picking up that habit. I didn't bother reading it, so I
    missed his psychiatrist calling...

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  • From John Corbett@21:1/5 to Gil Jesus on Mon Aug 14 11:52:58 2023
    On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 12:11:26 PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 11:24:46 AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    Ah! I see Corbutt has learned the Huckster trick of word vomit...
    The asshole thinks he's a psychiatrist. LOL

    I guess you have no answer for why the FBI would change the time Arnold said she MIGHT have
    seen Oswald rather than just leave out the possible sighting of Oswald altogether if their intent
    was to frame Oswald. Also no answer for why the FBI, the DPD, the sheriff's deputies, and the
    Secret Service would all go immediately into cover up mode rather than try to determine who
    killed JFK.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to geowright1963@gmail.com on Mon Aug 14 12:30:43 2023
    On Mon, 14 Aug 2023 11:52:58 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett <geowright1963@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 12:11:26?PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 11:24:46?AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    Ah! I see Corbutt has learned the Huckster trick of word vomit...
    The asshole thinks he's a psychiatrist. LOL

    I guess...

    Is guessing all you have? Wouldn't it be more reasonable to rely on
    evidence?

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