• Vincent Bugliosi's SBT - #4 - Refuted

    From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 11 08:16:21 2023
    Bugliosi provides his arguments for the Single Bullet Theory: (With my responses...)

    "4. Another reason why we know Connally was hit by the same bullet
    that had struck Kennedy is that the argument that there wasn't enough
    time to fire a second shot from the bolt-action Mannlicher-Carcano
    rifle, and hence Connally must have been hit by a second assassin,
    *doesn't go anywhere*. It would only go somewhere if Commission
    Exhibit No. 399, *the bullet that struck Connally* (and which the
    Warren Commission and HSCA concluded had first struck Kennedy), hadn't
    been fired from Oswald's rifle to the exclusion of all other weapons. Therefore, even if we assume that Commission Exhibit No. 399 did not
    first pass through Kennedy's body, *we still know that it was fired
    from Oswald's rifle, not a different rifle*, and we don't have any
    evidence of a second assassin, only Oswald. Or did Oswald, after
    shooting Kennedy in the back, hand his rifle to a second gunman
    standing beside him and say, 'I just shot Kennedy, now you shoot
    Connally?' " Pg. 463-464

    Bugliosi correctly notes that if a *separate* shot hit Connally, then
    there was a second assassin. He makes the presumption that CE399
    struck JFK ... then Connally - although the evidence that such
    happened just isn't there. Most of the medical and some of the
    ballistic testimony was in disagreement with this scenario.

    But you won't hear that from Bugliosi, or from his number one defender
    in this forum, David Von Penis.

    Nor will Chickenshit publicly admit the truth of this statement.

    Bugliosi's argument can be explained as:

    1. Must have been an SBT - because otherwise there was a second
    assassin.

    2. CE399 is that SBT, despite virtually all expert testimony refuting
    that idea.

    3. Begging the question as to who was firing the rifle. (and who owned
    it.)

    4. Ending with the logical fallacy of Appeal to Ridicule - showing
    that Bugliosi understood how weak his arguments were.


    He doesn't explain how he rules out a second assassin.

    Bugliosi also makes the presumption that we "don't have any evidence
    of a second shooter" - which, of course, is a misrepresentation of the testimony that we have. There is *indeed* "evidence" of a second
    assassin.

    Bugliosi's final logical fallacy demonstrates (in my opinion, of
    course) the desperation that Bugliosi is feeling...

    Bugliosi has failed with #4

    Cue Chickenshit to stop in with some more cowardice & logical
    fallacies, but he still has #3 to answer...

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  • From Bud@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Fri Aug 11 10:24:59 2023
    On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 11:16:28 AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    Bugliosi provides his arguments for the Single Bullet Theory: (With my responses...)

    "4. Another reason why we know Connally was hit by the same bullet
    that had struck Kennedy is that the argument that there wasn't enough
    time to fire a second shot from the bolt-action Mannlicher-Carcano
    rifle, and hence Connally must have been hit by a second assassin, *doesn't go anywhere*. It would only go somewhere if Commission
    Exhibit No. 399, *the bullet that struck Connally* (and which the
    Warren Commission and HSCA concluded had first struck Kennedy), hadn't been fired from Oswald's rifle to the exclusion of all other weapons. Therefore, even if we assume that Commission Exhibit No. 399 did not
    first pass through Kennedy's body, *we still know that it was fired
    from Oswald's rifle, not a different rifle*, and we don't have any evidence of a second assassin, only Oswald. Or did Oswald, after
    shooting Kennedy in the back, hand his rifle to a second gunman
    standing beside him and say, 'I just shot Kennedy, now you shoot Connally?' " Pg. 463-464

    Bugliosi correctly notes that if a *separate* shot hit Connally, then
    there was a second assassin. He makes the presumption that CE399
    struck JFK ... then Connally - although the evidence that such
    happened just isn't there.

    Ben likes to just *say* stuff.

    Most of the medical and some of the
    ballistic testimony was in disagreement with this scenario.

    More of Ben just saying stuff.

    But you won't hear that from Bugliosi, or from his number one defender
    in this forum, David Von Penis.

    Nor will Chickenshit publicly admit the truth of this statement.

    You`ll never support any of the hot air you blew in this post.

    Bugliosi's argument can be explained as:

    1. Must have been an SBT - because otherwise there was a second
    assassin.

    2. CE399 is that SBT, despite virtually all expert testimony refuting
    that idea.

    Ben uses words but says nothing.

    3. Begging the question as to who was firing the rifle. (and who owned
    it.)

    The finding of numerous investigations, so it can`t be begging the question.

    4. Ending with the logical fallacy of Appeal to Ridicule - showing
    that Bugliosi understood how weak his arguments were.

    Conspiracy hobbyist arguments are this ridiculous.

    He doesn't explain how he rules out a second assassin.

    Or a hundred. But that isn`t how it works.

    Bugliosi also makes the presumption that we "don't have any evidence
    of a second shooter" - which, of course, is a misrepresentation of the testimony that we have. There is *indeed* "evidence" of a second
    assassin.

    Like?

    Bugliosi's final logical fallacy demonstrates (in my opinion, of
    course) the desperation that Bugliosi is feeling...

    Bugliosi has failed with #4

    Because you blew smoke with some vague innuendo?

    Cue Chickenshit to stop in with some more cowardice & logical
    fallacies, but he still has #3 to answer...

    You refuse to look at that one correctly.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 11 11:10:59 2023
    On Fri, 11 Aug 2023 10:24:59 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirslick@fast.net>
    wrote:

    Bugliosi provides his arguments for the Single Bullet Theory: (With my >responses...)

    "4. Another reason why we know Connally was hit by the same bullet
    that had struck Kennedy is that the argument that there wasn't enough
    time to fire a second shot from the bolt-action Mannlicher-Carcano
    rifle, and hence Connally must have been hit by a second assassin,
    *doesn't go anywhere*. It would only go somewhere if Commission
    Exhibit No. 399, *the bullet that struck Connally* (and which the
    Warren Commission and HSCA concluded had first struck Kennedy), hadn't
    been fired from Oswald's rifle to the exclusion of all other weapons.
    Therefore, even if we assume that Commission Exhibit No. 399 did not
    first pass through Kennedy's body, *we still know that it was fired
    from Oswald's rifle, not a different rifle*, and we don't have any
    evidence of a second assassin, only Oswald. Or did Oswald, after
    shooting Kennedy in the back, hand his rifle to a second gunman
    standing beside him and say, 'I just shot Kennedy, now you shoot
    Connally?' " Pg. 463-464

    Bugliosi correctly notes that if a *separate* shot hit Connally, then
    there was a second assassin. He makes the presumption that CE399
    struck JFK ... then Connally - although the evidence that such
    happened just isn't there. Most of the medical and some of the
    ballistic testimony was in disagreement with this scenario.

    But you won't hear that from Bugliosi, or from his number one defender
    in this forum, David Von Penis.

    Nor will Chickenshit publicly admit the truth of this statement.

    Bugliosi's argument can be explained as:

    1. Must have been an SBT - because otherwise there was a second
    assassin.

    2. CE399 is that SBT, despite virtually all expert testimony refuting
    that idea.

    3. Begging the question as to who was firing the rifle. (and who owned
    it.)

    4. Ending with the logical fallacy of Appeal to Ridicule - showing
    that Bugliosi understood how weak his arguments were.


    He doesn't explain how he rules out a second assassin.

    Bugliosi also makes the presumption that we "don't have any evidence
    of a second shooter" - which, of course, is a misrepresentation of the >testimony that we have. There is *indeed* "evidence" of a second
    assassin.

    Bugliosi's final logical fallacy demonstrates (in my opinion, of
    course) the desperation that Bugliosi is feeling...

    Bugliosi has failed with #4

    Cue Chickenshit to stop in with some more cowardice & logical
    fallacies, but he still has #3 to answer...


    So, according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval" shape that
    was "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

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  • From Bud@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Fri Aug 11 12:18:51 2023
    On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 2:11:06 PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Fri, 11 Aug 2023 10:24:59 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:

    Bugliosi provides his arguments for the Single Bullet Theory: (With my >responses...)

    "4. Another reason why we know Connally was hit by the same bullet
    that had struck Kennedy is that the argument that there wasn't enough
    time to fire a second shot from the bolt-action Mannlicher-Carcano
    rifle, and hence Connally must have been hit by a second assassin,
    *doesn't go anywhere*. It would only go somewhere if Commission
    Exhibit No. 399, *the bullet that struck Connally* (and which the
    Warren Commission and HSCA concluded had first struck Kennedy), hadn't
    been fired from Oswald's rifle to the exclusion of all other weapons.
    Therefore, even if we assume that Commission Exhibit No. 399 did not
    first pass through Kennedy's body, *we still know that it was fired
    from Oswald's rifle, not a different rifle*, and we don't have any
    evidence of a second assassin, only Oswald. Or did Oswald, after
    shooting Kennedy in the back, hand his rifle to a second gunman
    standing beside him and say, 'I just shot Kennedy, now you shoot
    Connally?' " Pg. 463-464

    Bugliosi correctly notes that if a *separate* shot hit Connally, then >there was a second assassin. He makes the presumption that CE399
    struck JFK ... then Connally - although the evidence that such
    happened just isn't there. Most of the medical and some of the
    ballistic testimony was in disagreement with this scenario.

    But you won't hear that from Bugliosi, or from his number one defender
    in this forum, David Von Penis.

    Nor will Chickenshit publicly admit the truth of this statement.

    Bugliosi's argument can be explained as:

    1. Must have been an SBT - because otherwise there was a second
    assassin.

    2. CE399 is that SBT, despite virtually all expert testimony refuting
    that idea.

    3. Begging the question as to who was firing the rifle. (and who owned >it.)

    4. Ending with the logical fallacy of Appeal to Ridicule - showing
    that Bugliosi understood how weak his arguments were.


    He doesn't explain how he rules out a second assassin.

    Bugliosi also makes the presumption that we "don't have any evidence
    of a second shooter" - which, of course, is a misrepresentation of the >testimony that we have. There is *indeed* "evidence" of a second
    assassin.

    Bugliosi's final logical fallacy demonstrates (in my opinion, of
    course) the desperation that Bugliosi is feeling...

    Bugliosi has failed with #4


    Ben proved me correct when he produced the entire passage Bugs wrote.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 11 12:23:53 2023
    On Fri, 11 Aug 2023 12:18:51 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirslick@fast.net>
    wrote:

    On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 2:11:06?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Fri, 11 Aug 2023 10:24:59 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:

    Bugliosi provides his arguments for the Single Bullet Theory: (With my >>>responses...)

    "4. Another reason why we know Connally was hit by the same bullet
    that had struck Kennedy is that the argument that there wasn't enough
    time to fire a second shot from the bolt-action Mannlicher-Carcano
    rifle, and hence Connally must have been hit by a second assassin,
    *doesn't go anywhere*. It would only go somewhere if Commission
    Exhibit No. 399, *the bullet that struck Connally* (and which the
    Warren Commission and HSCA concluded had first struck Kennedy), hadn't >>>> been fired from Oswald's rifle to the exclusion of all other weapons.
    Therefore, even if we assume that Commission Exhibit No. 399 did not
    first pass through Kennedy's body, *we still know that it was fired
    from Oswald's rifle, not a different rifle*, and we don't have any
    evidence of a second assassin, only Oswald. Or did Oswald, after
    shooting Kennedy in the back, hand his rifle to a second gunman
    standing beside him and say, 'I just shot Kennedy, now you shoot
    Connally?' " Pg. 463-464

    Bugliosi correctly notes that if a *separate* shot hit Connally, then >>>there was a second assassin. He makes the presumption that CE399
    struck JFK ... then Connally - although the evidence that such
    happened just isn't there. Most of the medical and some of the
    ballistic testimony was in disagreement with this scenario.

    But you won't hear that from Bugliosi, or from his number one defender
    in this forum, David Von Penis.

    Nor will Chickenshit publicly admit the truth of this statement.

    Bugliosi's argument can be explained as:

    1. Must have been an SBT - because otherwise there was a second
    assassin.

    2. CE399 is that SBT, despite virtually all expert testimony refuting >>>that idea.

    3. Begging the question as to who was firing the rifle. (and who owned >>>it.)

    4. Ending with the logical fallacy of Appeal to Ridicule - showing
    that Bugliosi understood how weak his arguments were.


    He doesn't explain how he rules out a second assassin.

    Bugliosi also makes the presumption that we "don't have any evidence
    of a second shooter" - which, of course, is a misrepresentation of the >>>testimony that we have. There is *indeed* "evidence" of a second >>>assassin.

    Bugliosi's final logical fallacy demonstrates (in my opinion, of
    course) the desperation that Bugliosi is feeling...

    Bugliosi has failed with #4

    Cue Chickenshit to stop in with some more cowardice & logical
    fallacies, but he still has #3 to answer...


    So, according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval" shape that
    was "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

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  • From Bud@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Fri Aug 11 12:27:16 2023
    On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 3:23:59 PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Fri, 11 Aug 2023 12:18:51 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 2:11:06?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Fri, 11 Aug 2023 10:24:59 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:

    Bugliosi provides his arguments for the Single Bullet Theory: (With my >>>responses...)

    "4. Another reason why we know Connally was hit by the same bullet
    that had struck Kennedy is that the argument that there wasn't enough >>>> time to fire a second shot from the bolt-action Mannlicher-Carcano
    rifle, and hence Connally must have been hit by a second assassin,
    *doesn't go anywhere*. It would only go somewhere if Commission
    Exhibit No. 399, *the bullet that struck Connally* (and which the
    Warren Commission and HSCA concluded had first struck Kennedy), hadn't >>>> been fired from Oswald's rifle to the exclusion of all other weapons. >>>> Therefore, even if we assume that Commission Exhibit No. 399 did not >>>> first pass through Kennedy's body, *we still know that it was fired >>>> from Oswald's rifle, not a different rifle*, and we don't have any
    evidence of a second assassin, only Oswald. Or did Oswald, after
    shooting Kennedy in the back, hand his rifle to a second gunman
    standing beside him and say, 'I just shot Kennedy, now you shoot
    Connally?' " Pg. 463-464

    Bugliosi correctly notes that if a *separate* shot hit Connally, then >>>there was a second assassin. He makes the presumption that CE399 >>>struck JFK ... then Connally - although the evidence that such >>>happened just isn't there. Most of the medical and some of the >>>ballistic testimony was in disagreement with this scenario.

    But you won't hear that from Bugliosi, or from his number one defender >>>in this forum, David Von Penis.

    Nor will Chickenshit publicly admit the truth of this statement.

    Bugliosi's argument can be explained as:

    1. Must have been an SBT - because otherwise there was a second >>>assassin.

    2. CE399 is that SBT, despite virtually all expert testimony refuting >>>that idea.

    3. Begging the question as to who was firing the rifle. (and who owned >>>it.)

    4. Ending with the logical fallacy of Appeal to Ridicule - showing >>>that Bugliosi understood how weak his arguments were.


    He doesn't explain how he rules out a second assassin.

    Bugliosi also makes the presumption that we "don't have any evidence >>>of a second shooter" - which, of course, is a misrepresentation of the >>>testimony that we have. There is *indeed* "evidence" of a second >>>assassin.

    Bugliosi's final logical fallacy demonstrates (in my opinion, of >>>course) the desperation that Bugliosi is feeling...

    Bugliosi has failed with #4

    Cue Chickenshit to stop in with some more cowardice & logical >>>fallacies, but he still has #3 to answer...


    So, according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval" shape that
    was "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

    Non sequitur.

    The response Ben is running from...

    https://groups.google.com/g/alt.conspiracy.jfk/c/OgUT2Y0Kijo/m/r1-PWP9_AAAJ

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 11 12:29:15 2023
    On Fri, 11 Aug 2023 12:27:16 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirslick@fast.net>
    wrote:

    On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 3:23:59?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Fri, 11 Aug 2023 12:18:51 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 2:11:06?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Fri, 11 Aug 2023 10:24:59 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:

    Bugliosi provides his arguments for the Single Bullet Theory: (With my >>>>>responses...)

    "4. Another reason why we know Connally was hit by the same bullet >>>>>> that had struck Kennedy is that the argument that there wasn't enough >>>>>> time to fire a second shot from the bolt-action Mannlicher-Carcano >>>>>> rifle, and hence Connally must have been hit by a second assassin, >>>>>> *doesn't go anywhere*. It would only go somewhere if Commission
    Exhibit No. 399, *the bullet that struck Connally* (and which the
    Warren Commission and HSCA concluded had first struck Kennedy), hadn't >>>>>> been fired from Oswald's rifle to the exclusion of all other weapons. >>>>>> Therefore, even if we assume that Commission Exhibit No. 399 did not >>>>>> first pass through Kennedy's body, *we still know that it was fired >>>>>> from Oswald's rifle, not a different rifle*, and we don't have any >>>>>> evidence of a second assassin, only Oswald. Or did Oswald, after
    shooting Kennedy in the back, hand his rifle to a second gunman
    standing beside him and say, 'I just shot Kennedy, now you shoot
    Connally?' " Pg. 463-464

    Bugliosi correctly notes that if a *separate* shot hit Connally, then >>>>>there was a second assassin. He makes the presumption that CE399 >>>>>struck JFK ... then Connally - although the evidence that such >>>>>happened just isn't there. Most of the medical and some of the >>>>>ballistic testimony was in disagreement with this scenario.

    But you won't hear that from Bugliosi, or from his number one defender >>>>>in this forum, David Von Penis.

    Nor will Chickenshit publicly admit the truth of this statement.

    Bugliosi's argument can be explained as:

    1. Must have been an SBT - because otherwise there was a second >>>>>assassin.

    2. CE399 is that SBT, despite virtually all expert testimony refuting >>>>>that idea.

    3. Begging the question as to who was firing the rifle. (and who owned >>>>>it.)

    4. Ending with the logical fallacy of Appeal to Ridicule - showing >>>>>that Bugliosi understood how weak his arguments were.


    He doesn't explain how he rules out a second assassin.

    Bugliosi also makes the presumption that we "don't have any evidence >>>>>of a second shooter" - which, of course, is a misrepresentation of the >>>>>testimony that we have. There is *indeed* "evidence" of a second >>>>>assassin.

    Bugliosi's final logical fallacy demonstrates (in my opinion, of >>>>>course) the desperation that Bugliosi is feeling...

    Bugliosi has failed with #4

    Cue Chickenshit to stop in with some more cowardice & logical >>>>>fallacies, but he still has #3 to answer...


    So, according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval" shape that
    was "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?


    So, according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval" shape that was
    "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

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  • From Bud@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Fri Aug 11 12:30:15 2023
    On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 3:29:23 PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Fri, 11 Aug 2023 12:27:16 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 3:23:59?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Fri, 11 Aug 2023 12:18:51 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 2:11:06?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Fri, 11 Aug 2023 10:24:59 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:

    Bugliosi provides his arguments for the Single Bullet Theory: (With my >>>>>responses...)

    "4. Another reason why we know Connally was hit by the same bullet >>>>>> that had struck Kennedy is that the argument that there wasn't enough >>>>>> time to fire a second shot from the bolt-action Mannlicher-Carcano >>>>>> rifle, and hence Connally must have been hit by a second assassin, >>>>>> *doesn't go anywhere*. It would only go somewhere if Commission >>>>>> Exhibit No. 399, *the bullet that struck Connally* (and which the >>>>>> Warren Commission and HSCA concluded had first struck Kennedy), hadn't
    been fired from Oswald's rifle to the exclusion of all other weapons. >>>>>> Therefore, even if we assume that Commission Exhibit No. 399 did not >>>>>> first pass through Kennedy's body, *we still know that it was fired >>>>>> from Oswald's rifle, not a different rifle*, and we don't have any >>>>>> evidence of a second assassin, only Oswald. Or did Oswald, after >>>>>> shooting Kennedy in the back, hand his rifle to a second gunman >>>>>> standing beside him and say, 'I just shot Kennedy, now you shoot >>>>>> Connally?' " Pg. 463-464

    Bugliosi correctly notes that if a *separate* shot hit Connally, then >>>>>there was a second assassin. He makes the presumption that CE399 >>>>>struck JFK ... then Connally - although the evidence that such >>>>>happened just isn't there. Most of the medical and some of the >>>>>ballistic testimony was in disagreement with this scenario.

    But you won't hear that from Bugliosi, or from his number one defender >>>>>in this forum, David Von Penis.

    Nor will Chickenshit publicly admit the truth of this statement.

    Bugliosi's argument can be explained as:

    1. Must have been an SBT - because otherwise there was a second >>>>>assassin.

    2. CE399 is that SBT, despite virtually all expert testimony refuting >>>>>that idea.

    3. Begging the question as to who was firing the rifle. (and who owned >>>>>it.)

    4. Ending with the logical fallacy of Appeal to Ridicule - showing >>>>>that Bugliosi understood how weak his arguments were.


    He doesn't explain how he rules out a second assassin.

    Bugliosi also makes the presumption that we "don't have any evidence >>>>>of a second shooter" - which, of course, is a misrepresentation of the >>>>>testimony that we have. There is *indeed* "evidence" of a second >>>>>assassin.

    Bugliosi's final logical fallacy demonstrates (in my opinion, of >>>>>course) the desperation that Bugliosi is feeling...

    Bugliosi has failed with #4

    Cue Chickenshit to stop in with some more cowardice & logical >>>>>fallacies, but he still has #3 to answer...


    So, according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval" shape that
    was "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 11 12:31:48 2023
    On Fri, 11 Aug 2023 12:30:15 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirslick@fast.net>
    wrote:

    On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 3:29:23?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Fri, 11 Aug 2023 12:27:16 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 3:23:59?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Fri, 11 Aug 2023 12:18:51 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 2:11:06?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Fri, 11 Aug 2023 10:24:59 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:

    Bugliosi provides his arguments for the Single Bullet Theory: (With my >>>>>>>responses...)

    "4. Another reason why we know Connally was hit by the same bullet >>>>>>>> that had struck Kennedy is that the argument that there wasn't enough >>>>>>>> time to fire a second shot from the bolt-action Mannlicher-Carcano >>>>>>>> rifle, and hence Connally must have been hit by a second assassin, >>>>>>>> *doesn't go anywhere*. It would only go somewhere if Commission >>>>>>>> Exhibit No. 399, *the bullet that struck Connally* (and which the >>>>>>>> Warren Commission and HSCA concluded had first struck Kennedy), hadn't >>>>>>>> been fired from Oswald's rifle to the exclusion of all other weapons. >>>>>>>> Therefore, even if we assume that Commission Exhibit No. 399 did not >>>>>>>> first pass through Kennedy's body, *we still know that it was fired >>>>>>>> from Oswald's rifle, not a different rifle*, and we don't have any >>>>>>>> evidence of a second assassin, only Oswald. Or did Oswald, after >>>>>>>> shooting Kennedy in the back, hand his rifle to a second gunman >>>>>>>> standing beside him and say, 'I just shot Kennedy, now you shoot >>>>>>>> Connally?' " Pg. 463-464

    Bugliosi correctly notes that if a *separate* shot hit Connally, then >>>>>>>there was a second assassin. He makes the presumption that CE399 >>>>>>>struck JFK ... then Connally - although the evidence that such >>>>>>>happened just isn't there. Most of the medical and some of the >>>>>>>ballistic testimony was in disagreement with this scenario.

    But you won't hear that from Bugliosi, or from his number one defender >>>>>>>in this forum, David Von Penis.

    Nor will Chickenshit publicly admit the truth of this statement.

    Bugliosi's argument can be explained as:

    1. Must have been an SBT - because otherwise there was a second >>>>>>>assassin.

    2. CE399 is that SBT, despite virtually all expert testimony refuting >>>>>>>that idea.

    3. Begging the question as to who was firing the rifle. (and who owned >>>>>>>it.)

    4. Ending with the logical fallacy of Appeal to Ridicule - showing >>>>>>>that Bugliosi understood how weak his arguments were.


    He doesn't explain how he rules out a second assassin.

    Bugliosi also makes the presumption that we "don't have any evidence >>>>>>>of a second shooter" - which, of course, is a misrepresentation of the >>>>>>>testimony that we have. There is *indeed* "evidence" of a second >>>>>>>assassin.

    Bugliosi's final logical fallacy demonstrates (in my opinion, of >>>>>>>course) the desperation that Bugliosi is feeling...

    Bugliosi has failed with #4

    Cue Chickenshit to stop in with some more cowardice & logical >>>>>>>fallacies, but he still has #3 to answer...


    So, according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval" shape that
    was "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

    So, according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval" shape that was
    "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

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  • From Bud@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Fri Aug 11 12:33:05 2023
    On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 3:31:55 PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Fri, 11 Aug 2023 12:30:15 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 3:29:23?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Fri, 11 Aug 2023 12:27:16 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 3:23:59?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Fri, 11 Aug 2023 12:18:51 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 2:11:06?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote: >>>>>> On Fri, 11 Aug 2023 10:24:59 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net> >>>>>> wrote:

    Bugliosi provides his arguments for the Single Bullet Theory: (With my
    responses...)

    "4. Another reason why we know Connally was hit by the same bullet >>>>>>>> that had struck Kennedy is that the argument that there wasn't enough
    time to fire a second shot from the bolt-action Mannlicher-Carcano >>>>>>>> rifle, and hence Connally must have been hit by a second assassin, >>>>>>>> *doesn't go anywhere*. It would only go somewhere if Commission >>>>>>>> Exhibit No. 399, *the bullet that struck Connally* (and which the >>>>>>>> Warren Commission and HSCA concluded had first struck Kennedy), hadn't
    been fired from Oswald's rifle to the exclusion of all other weapons.
    Therefore, even if we assume that Commission Exhibit No. 399 did not
    first pass through Kennedy's body, *we still know that it was fired >>>>>>>> from Oswald's rifle, not a different rifle*, and we don't have any >>>>>>>> evidence of a second assassin, only Oswald. Or did Oswald, after >>>>>>>> shooting Kennedy in the back, hand his rifle to a second gunman >>>>>>>> standing beside him and say, 'I just shot Kennedy, now you shoot >>>>>>>> Connally?' " Pg. 463-464

    Bugliosi correctly notes that if a *separate* shot hit Connally, then >>>>>>>there was a second assassin. He makes the presumption that CE399 >>>>>>>struck JFK ... then Connally - although the evidence that such >>>>>>>happened just isn't there. Most of the medical and some of the >>>>>>>ballistic testimony was in disagreement with this scenario.

    But you won't hear that from Bugliosi, or from his number one defender
    in this forum, David Von Penis.

    Nor will Chickenshit publicly admit the truth of this statement. >>>>>>>
    Bugliosi's argument can be explained as:

    1. Must have been an SBT - because otherwise there was a second >>>>>>>assassin.

    2. CE399 is that SBT, despite virtually all expert testimony refuting >>>>>>>that idea.

    3. Begging the question as to who was firing the rifle. (and who owned
    it.)

    4. Ending with the logical fallacy of Appeal to Ridicule - showing >>>>>>>that Bugliosi understood how weak his arguments were.


    He doesn't explain how he rules out a second assassin.

    Bugliosi also makes the presumption that we "don't have any evidence >>>>>>>of a second shooter" - which, of course, is a misrepresentation of the
    testimony that we have. There is *indeed* "evidence" of a second >>>>>>>assassin.

    Bugliosi's final logical fallacy demonstrates (in my opinion, of >>>>>>>course) the desperation that Bugliosi is feeling...

    Bugliosi has failed with #4

    Cue Chickenshit to stop in with some more cowardice & logical >>>>>>>fallacies, but he still has #3 to answer...


    So, according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval" shape that
    was "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

    Still no questions from Ben.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 11 12:34:24 2023
    On Fri, 11 Aug 2023 12:33:05 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirslick@fast.net>
    wrote:

    So, according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval" shape that was
    "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

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  • From Bud@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Fri Aug 11 14:26:14 2023
    On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 3:34:28 PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Fri, 11 Aug 2023 12:33:05 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:

    I wish Ben would grow a pair and ask me a question.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 11 14:39:05 2023
    On Fri, 11 Aug 2023 14:26:14 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirslick@fast.net>
    wrote:

    So, according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval" shape that was
    "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

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  • From Bud@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Fri Aug 11 14:43:29 2023
    On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 5:39:09 PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Fri, 11 Aug 2023 14:26:14 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:

    Still no questions from Ben.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 11 14:49:37 2023
    So, according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval" shape that was
    "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

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  • From Bud@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 11 18:56:44 2023
    On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 5:49:41 PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:

    Selective quoting removed.

    The post that frightens Ben...

    https://groups.google.com/g/alt.conspiracy.jfk/c/OgUT2Y0Kijo/m/r1-PWP9_AAAJ

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to All on Mon Aug 14 08:25:35 2023
    On Fri, 11 Aug 2023 18:56:44 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirslick@fast.net>
    wrote:

    On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 5:49:41?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:

    Selective quoting removed.


    So, according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval" shape that was
    "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

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