• Watch Chickenshit Prove His Cowardice!!!

    From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 10 11:45:25 2023
    3. Another fact that, all by itself, is virtually conclusive evidence
    proving the single-bullet theory is that the entrance wound in
    Governor Connally’s back was not circular, but oval. Drs. Charles
    Gregory and Robert Shaw, who attended Connally at Parkland Hospital,
    described the wound as “linear” and “elliptical” in shape, indicating
    that the bullet was out of alignment with its trajectory just before
    striking Connally’s body. The HSCA said that a factor which
    “significantly” influenced its conclusion that the bullet that struck
    Connally had first struck and passed through Kennedy “was the ovoid
    shape of the wound in the Governor’s back, indicating that the bullet
    had begun to tumble or yaw before entering. An ovoid wound is
    characteristic of one caused by a bullet that has passed through or
    glanced off an intervening object…The forensic pathology panel’s
    conclusions were consistent with the so-called single bullet theory
    advanced by the Warren Commission,” to wit, that one bullet had passed
    “through both President Kennedy and Governor Connally.”

    My firearms expert at the London trial, Monty Lutz, told me that “no
    bullet traveling at 2,000 feet per second is going to start to tumble
    or yaw on its own until around 200 yards. When Connally was struck he
    was around 60 yards from the window, so the bullet had to have hit
    something before it hit him, and other than Kennedy’s body, there was
    nothing between the sixth-floor window and him. Not the oak tree, or
    its leaves. Nothing.”

    It has to be emphasized that at the time Connally was struck by a
    bullet (somewhere between Z frames 210 and 222),* the oak tree to the
    north of Elm close to the Depository Building was no longer in the
    line of fire from the sniper’s nest to Connally’s body.

    So Kennedy’s body was the only intervening object that the Connally
    bullet could have first hit. HSCA physical scientist Larry M.
    Sturdivan told the committee that the Carcano bullet was a “very
    stable bullet, perhaps one of the most stable bullets that we have
    ever done experimentation with.” He said that it would only start
    yawing—and then very little, “perhaps less than a degree”—at “about
    100 meters” (about 110 yards) and “if it had struck [Connally] without
    having previously encountered another object, it [Connally’s back
    wound] would never have been elongated. This bullet is too stable. It
    would have had to be a nice round hole.”

    Here's the quesition that Chickenshit will refuse to answer: What is
    the "virtually conclusive evidence" that Bugs was talking about?

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  • From Bud@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Thu Aug 10 12:49:26 2023
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 2:45:31 PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    3. Another fact that, all by itself, is virtually conclusive evidence proving the single-bullet theory is that the entrance wound in
    Governor Connally’s back was not circular, but oval. Drs. Charles
    Gregory and Robert Shaw, who attended Connally at Parkland Hospital, described the wound as “linear” and “elliptical” in shape, indicating
    that the bullet was out of alignment with its trajectory just before striking Connally’s body. The HSCA said that a factor which “significantly” influenced its conclusion that the bullet that struck Connally had first struck and passed through Kennedy “was the ovoid
    shape of the wound in the Governor’s back, indicating that the bullet
    had begun to tumble or yaw before entering. An ovoid wound is
    characteristic of one caused by a bullet that has passed through or
    glanced off an intervening object…The forensic pathology panel’s conclusions were consistent with the so-called single bullet theory
    advanced by the Warren Commission,” to wit, that one bullet had passed “through both President Kennedy and Governor Connally.”

    So he did go on to explain and flesh out the concept and you were selectively quoting.

    My firearms expert at the London trial, Monty Lutz, told me that “no bullet traveling at 2,000 feet per second is going to start to tumble
    or yaw on its own until around 200 yards. When Connally was struck he
    was around 60 yards from the window, so the bullet had to have hit
    something before it hit him, and other than Kennedy’s body, there was nothing between the sixth-floor window and him. Not the oak tree, or
    its leaves. Nothing.”

    It has to be emphasized that at the time Connally was struck by a
    bullet (somewhere between Z frames 210 and 222),* the oak tree to the
    north of Elm close to the Depository Building was no longer in the
    line of fire from the sniper’s nest to Connally’s body.

    So Kennedy’s body was the only intervening object that the Connally
    bullet could have first hit. HSCA physical scientist Larry M.
    Sturdivan told the committee that the Carcano bullet was a “very
    stable bullet, perhaps one of the most stable bullets that we have
    ever done experimentation with.” He said that it would only start yawing—and then very little, “perhaps less than a degree”—at “about
    100 meters” (about 110 yards) and “if it had struck [Connally] without having previously encountered another object, it [Connally’s back
    wound] would never have been elongated. This bullet is too stable. It
    would have had to be a nice round hole.”

    Here's the quesition that Chickenshit will refuse to answer: What is
    the "virtually conclusive evidence" that Bugs was talking about?

    The shape of the wound.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 10 13:01:39 2023
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 12:49:26 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirslick@fast.net>
    wrote:

    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 2:45:31?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    3. Another fact that, all by itself, is virtually conclusive evidence
    proving the single-bullet theory is that the entrance wound in
    Governor Connally’s back was not circular, but oval. Drs. Charles
    Gregory and Robert Shaw, who attended Connally at Parkland Hospital,
    described the wound as “linear” and “elliptical” in shape, indicating
    that the bullet was out of alignment with its trajectory just before
    striking Connally’s body. The HSCA said that a factor which
    “significantly” influenced its conclusion that the bullet that struck
    Connally had first struck and passed through Kennedy “was the ovoid
    shape of the wound in the Governor’s back, indicating that the bullet
    had begun to tumble or yaw before entering. An ovoid wound is
    characteristic of one caused by a bullet that has passed through or
    glanced off an intervening object…The forensic pathology panel’s
    conclusions were consistent with the so-called single bullet theory
    advanced by the Warren Commission,” to wit, that one bullet had passed
    “through both President Kennedy and Governor Connally.”

    My firearms expert at the London trial, Monty Lutz, told me that “no
    bullet traveling at 2,000 feet per second is going to start to tumble
    or yaw on its own until around 200 yards. When Connally was struck he
    was around 60 yards from the window, so the bullet had to have hit
    something before it hit him, and other than Kennedy’s body, there was
    nothing between the sixth-floor window and him. Not the oak tree, or
    its leaves. Nothing.”

    It has to be emphasized that at the time Connally was struck by a
    bullet (somewhere between Z frames 210 and 222),* the oak tree to the
    north of Elm close to the Depository Building was no longer in the
    line of fire from the sniper’s nest to Connally’s body.

    So Kennedy’s body was the only intervening object that the Connally
    bullet could have first hit. HSCA physical scientist Larry M.
    Sturdivan told the committee that the Carcano bullet was a “very
    stable bullet, perhaps one of the most stable bullets that we have
    ever done experimentation with.” He said that it would only start
    yawing—and then very little, “perhaps less than a degree”—at “about
    100 meters” (about 110 yards) and “if it had struck [Connally] without
    having previously encountered another object, it [Connally’s back
    wound] would never have been elongated. This bullet is too stable. It
    would have had to be a nice round hole.”

    Here's the quesition that Chickenshit will refuse to answer: What is
    the "virtually conclusive evidence" that Bugs was talking about?

    The shape of the wound.

    What was the shape of the wound?

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  • From Bud@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Thu Aug 10 13:37:30 2023
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 4:01:46 PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 12:49:26 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 2:45:31?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    3. Another fact that, all by itself, is virtually conclusive evidence
    proving the single-bullet theory is that the entrance wound in
    Governor Connally’s back was not circular, but oval. Drs. Charles
    Gregory and Robert Shaw, who attended Connally at Parkland Hospital,
    described the wound as “linear” and “elliptical” in shape, indicating
    that the bullet was out of alignment with its trajectory just before
    striking Connally’s body. The HSCA said that a factor which
    “significantly” influenced its conclusion that the bullet that struck >> Connally had first struck and passed through Kennedy “was the ovoid
    shape of the wound in the Governor’s back, indicating that the bullet >> had begun to tumble or yaw before entering. An ovoid wound is
    characteristic of one caused by a bullet that has passed through or
    glanced off an intervening object…The forensic pathology panel’s
    conclusions were consistent with the so-called single bullet theory
    advanced by the Warren Commission,” to wit, that one bullet had passed >> “through both President Kennedy and Governor Connally.”

    My firearms expert at the London trial, Monty Lutz, told me that “no
    bullet traveling at 2,000 feet per second is going to start to tumble
    or yaw on its own until around 200 yards. When Connally was struck he
    was around 60 yards from the window, so the bullet had to have hit
    something before it hit him, and other than Kennedy’s body, there was >> nothing between the sixth-floor window and him. Not the oak tree, or
    its leaves. Nothing.”

    It has to be emphasized that at the time Connally was struck by a
    bullet (somewhere between Z frames 210 and 222),* the oak tree to the
    north of Elm close to the Depository Building was no longer in the
    line of fire from the sniper’s nest to Connally’s body.

    So Kennedy’s body was the only intervening object that the Connally
    bullet could have first hit. HSCA physical scientist Larry M.
    Sturdivan told the committee that the Carcano bullet was a “very
    stable bullet, perhaps one of the most stable bullets that we have
    ever done experimentation with.” He said that it would only start
    yawing—and then very little, “perhaps less than a degree”—at “about
    100 meters” (about 110 yards) and “if it had struck [Connally] without
    having previously encountered another object, it [Connally’s back
    wound] would never have been elongated. This bullet is too stable. It
    would have had to be a nice round hole.”

    Here's the quesition that Chickenshit will refuse to answer: What is
    the "virtually conclusive evidence" that Bugs was talking about?

    The shape of the wound.
    What was the shape of the wound?

    Oval, linear, elliptical, ovoid according to the passage you supplied. Can`t you read?

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  • From Chuck Schuyler@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Thu Aug 10 13:40:11 2023
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 3:01:46 PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 12:49:26 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 2:45:31?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    3. Another fact that, all by itself, is virtually conclusive evidence
    proving the single-bullet theory is that the entrance wound in
    Governor Connally’s back was not circular, but oval. Drs. Charles
    Gregory and Robert Shaw, who attended Connally at Parkland Hospital,
    described the wound as “linear” and “elliptical” in shape, indicating
    that the bullet was out of alignment with its trajectory just before
    striking Connally’s body. The HSCA said that a factor which
    “significantly” influenced its conclusion that the bullet that struck >> Connally had first struck and passed through Kennedy “was the ovoid
    shape of the wound in the Governor’s back, indicating that the bullet >> had begun to tumble or yaw before entering. An ovoid wound is
    characteristic of one caused by a bullet that has passed through or
    glanced off an intervening object…The forensic pathology panel’s
    conclusions were consistent with the so-called single bullet theory
    advanced by the Warren Commission,” to wit, that one bullet had passed >> “through both President Kennedy and Governor Connally.”

    My firearms expert at the London trial, Monty Lutz, told me that “no
    bullet traveling at 2,000 feet per second is going to start to tumble
    or yaw on its own until around 200 yards. When Connally was struck he
    was around 60 yards from the window, so the bullet had to have hit
    something before it hit him, and other than Kennedy’s body, there was >> nothing between the sixth-floor window and him. Not the oak tree, or
    its leaves. Nothing.”

    It has to be emphasized that at the time Connally was struck by a
    bullet (somewhere between Z frames 210 and 222),* the oak tree to the
    north of Elm close to the Depository Building was no longer in the
    line of fire from the sniper’s nest to Connally’s body.

    So Kennedy’s body was the only intervening object that the Connally
    bullet could have first hit. HSCA physical scientist Larry M.
    Sturdivan told the committee that the Carcano bullet was a “very
    stable bullet, perhaps one of the most stable bullets that we have
    ever done experimentation with.” He said that it would only start
    yawing—and then very little, “perhaps less than a degree”—at “about
    100 meters” (about 110 yards) and “if it had struck [Connally] without
    having previously encountered another object, it [Connally’s back
    wound] would never have been elongated. This bullet is too stable. It
    would have had to be a nice round hole.”

    Here's the quesition that Chickenshit will refuse to answer: What is
    the "virtually conclusive evidence" that Bugs was talking about?

    The shape of the wound.

    What was the shape of the wound?

    Descriptions of the wound are in the first paragraph of the thread you started, stupid. Don't you even read what you post?

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 10 13:42:55 2023
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 13:37:30 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirslick@fast.net>
    wrote:

    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 4:01:46?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 12:49:26 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 2:45:31?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    3. Another fact that, all by itself, is virtually conclusive evidence
    proving the single-bullet theory is that the entrance wound in
    Governor Connally’s back was not circular, but oval. Drs. Charles
    Gregory and Robert Shaw, who attended Connally at Parkland Hospital,
    described the wound as “linear” and “elliptical” in shape, indicating
    that the bullet was out of alignment with its trajectory just before
    striking Connally’s body. The HSCA said that a factor which
    “significantly” influenced its conclusion that the bullet that struck
    Connally had first struck and passed through Kennedy “was the ovoid
    shape of the wound in the Governor’s back, indicating that the bullet
    had begun to tumble or yaw before entering. An ovoid wound is
    characteristic of one caused by a bullet that has passed through or
    glanced off an intervening object…The forensic pathology panel’s
    conclusions were consistent with the so-called single bullet theory
    advanced by the Warren Commission,” to wit, that one bullet had passed >>>> “through both President Kennedy and Governor Connally.”

    My firearms expert at the London trial, Monty Lutz, told me that “no
    bullet traveling at 2,000 feet per second is going to start to tumble
    or yaw on its own until around 200 yards. When Connally was struck he
    was around 60 yards from the window, so the bullet had to have hit
    something before it hit him, and other than Kennedy’s body, there was
    nothing between the sixth-floor window and him. Not the oak tree, or
    its leaves. Nothing.”

    It has to be emphasized that at the time Connally was struck by a
    bullet (somewhere between Z frames 210 and 222),* the oak tree to the
    north of Elm close to the Depository Building was no longer in the
    line of fire from the sniper’s nest to Connally’s body.

    So Kennedy’s body was the only intervening object that the Connally
    bullet could have first hit. HSCA physical scientist Larry M.
    Sturdivan told the committee that the Carcano bullet was a “very
    stable bullet, perhaps one of the most stable bullets that we have
    ever done experimentation with.” He said that it would only start
    yawing—and then very little, “perhaps less than a degree”—at “about
    100 meters” (about 110 yards) and “if it had struck [Connally] without >>>> having previously encountered another object, it [Connally’s back
    wound] would never have been elongated. This bullet is too stable. It
    would have had to be a nice round hole.”

    Here's the quesition that Chickenshit will refuse to answer: What is
    the "virtually conclusive evidence" that Bugs was talking about?

    The shape of the wound.

    What was the shape of the wound?

    Oval...

    Getting closer...

    So according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval" shape that was "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

    You may give as long an answer as you want, as long as it's preceded
    by a definitive "yes," or "no."

    Quote Bugliosi's answer to support your response...

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  • From Bud@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Thu Aug 10 13:48:50 2023
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 4:43:57 PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 13:37:30 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 4:01:46?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 12:49:26 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 2:45:31?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    3. Another fact that, all by itself, is virtually conclusive evidence >>>> proving the single-bullet theory is that the entrance wound in
    Governor Connally’s back was not circular, but oval. Drs. Charles >>>> Gregory and Robert Shaw, who attended Connally at Parkland Hospital, >>>> described the wound as “linear” and “elliptical” in shape, indicating
    that the bullet was out of alignment with its trajectory just before >>>> striking Connally’s body. The HSCA said that a factor which
    “significantly” influenced its conclusion that the bullet that struck
    Connally had first struck and passed through Kennedy “was the ovoid >>>> shape of the wound in the Governor’s back, indicating that the bullet >>>> had begun to tumble or yaw before entering. An ovoid wound is
    characteristic of one caused by a bullet that has passed through or >>>> glanced off an intervening object…The forensic pathology panel’s >>>> conclusions were consistent with the so-called single bullet theory >>>> advanced by the Warren Commission,” to wit, that one bullet had passed
    “through both President Kennedy and Governor Connally.”

    My firearms expert at the London trial, Monty Lutz, told me that “no >>>> bullet traveling at 2,000 feet per second is going to start to tumble >>>> or yaw on its own until around 200 yards. When Connally was struck he >>>> was around 60 yards from the window, so the bullet had to have hit
    something before it hit him, and other than Kennedy’s body, there was >>>> nothing between the sixth-floor window and him. Not the oak tree, or >>>> its leaves. Nothing.”

    It has to be emphasized that at the time Connally was struck by a
    bullet (somewhere between Z frames 210 and 222),* the oak tree to the >>>> north of Elm close to the Depository Building was no longer in the
    line of fire from the sniper’s nest to Connally’s body.

    So Kennedy’s body was the only intervening object that the Connally >>>> bullet could have first hit. HSCA physical scientist Larry M.
    Sturdivan told the committee that the Carcano bullet was a “very
    stable bullet, perhaps one of the most stable bullets that we have
    ever done experimentation with.” He said that it would only start >>>> yawing—and then very little, “perhaps less than a degree”—at “about
    100 meters” (about 110 yards) and “if it had struck [Connally] without
    having previously encountered another object, it [Connally’s back >>>> wound] would never have been elongated. This bullet is too stable. It >>>> would have had to be a nice round hole.”

    Here's the quesition that Chickenshit will refuse to answer: What is >>>> the "virtually conclusive evidence" that Bugs was talking about?

    The shape of the wound.

    What was the shape of the wound?

    Oval...

    Getting closer...

    What is it with you and isolating information?

    So according to Bugliosi,

    The shape of the wound spoke to the creation of the wound.

    it was this "oval" shape that was "virtually
    conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

    So you want to make pretend that Bugliosi was arguing that all oval wounds mean the bullet struck something first. But reading the whole passage in context shows that wasn`t the case.

    If that was the entirety of the argument he could have just stopped there.

    You may give as long an answer as you want, as long as it's preceded
    by a definitive "yes," or "no."

    Quote Bugliosi's answer to support your response...

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 10 14:01:51 2023
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 13:48:50 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirslick@fast.net>
    wrote:

    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 4:43:57?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 13:37:30 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 4:01:46?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 12:49:26 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 2:45:31?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    3. Another fact that, all by itself, is virtually conclusive evidence >>>>>> proving the single-bullet theory is that the entrance wound in
    Governor Connally’s back was not circular, but oval. Drs. Charles
    Gregory and Robert Shaw, who attended Connally at Parkland Hospital, >>>>>> described the wound as “linear” and “elliptical” in shape, indicating >>>>>> that the bullet was out of alignment with its trajectory just before >>>>>> striking Connally’s body. The HSCA said that a factor which
    “significantly” influenced its conclusion that the bullet that struck >>>>>> Connally had first struck and passed through Kennedy “was the ovoid >>>>>> shape of the wound in the Governor’s back, indicating that the bullet >>>>>> had begun to tumble or yaw before entering. An ovoid wound is
    characteristic of one caused by a bullet that has passed through or >>>>>> glanced off an intervening object…The forensic pathology panel’s
    conclusions were consistent with the so-called single bullet theory >>>>>> advanced by the Warren Commission,” to wit, that one bullet had passed >>>>>> “through both President Kennedy and Governor Connally.”

    My firearms expert at the London trial, Monty Lutz, told me that “no >>>>>> bullet traveling at 2,000 feet per second is going to start to tumble >>>>>> or yaw on its own until around 200 yards. When Connally was struck he >>>>>> was around 60 yards from the window, so the bullet had to have hit >>>>>> something before it hit him, and other than Kennedy’s body, there was >>>>>> nothing between the sixth-floor window and him. Not the oak tree, or >>>>>> its leaves. Nothing.”

    It has to be emphasized that at the time Connally was struck by a
    bullet (somewhere between Z frames 210 and 222),* the oak tree to the >>>>>> north of Elm close to the Depository Building was no longer in the >>>>>> line of fire from the sniper’s nest to Connally’s body.

    So Kennedy’s body was the only intervening object that the Connally >>>>>> bullet could have first hit. HSCA physical scientist Larry M.
    Sturdivan told the committee that the Carcano bullet was a “very
    stable bullet, perhaps one of the most stable bullets that we have >>>>>> ever done experimentation with.” He said that it would only start
    yawing—and then very little, “perhaps less than a degree”—at “about >>>>>> 100 meters” (about 110 yards) and “if it had struck [Connally] without >>>>>> having previously encountered another object, it [Connally’s back
    wound] would never have been elongated. This bullet is too stable. It >>>>>> would have had to be a nice round hole.”

    Here's the quesition that Chickenshit will refuse to answer: What is >>>>>> the "virtually conclusive evidence" that Bugs was talking about?

    The shape of the wound.

    What was the shape of the wound?

    Oval...

    Getting closer...

    So according to Bugliosi,
    it was this "oval" shape that was "virtually
    conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

    You may give as long an answer as you want, as long as it's preceded
    by a definitive "yes," or "no."

    Quote Bugliosi's answer to support your response...


    Non-answers deleted. So, according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval"
    shape that was "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to chuckschuyler123@gmail.com on Thu Aug 10 14:03:59 2023
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 13:40:11 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler <chuckschuyler123@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 3:01:46?PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 12:49:26 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 2:45:31?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    3. Another fact that, all by itself, is virtually conclusive evidence
    proving the single-bullet theory is that the entrance wound in
    Governor Connally’s back was not circular, but oval. Drs. Charles
    Gregory and Robert Shaw, who attended Connally at Parkland Hospital,
    described the wound as “linear” and “elliptical” in shape, indicating
    that the bullet was out of alignment with its trajectory just before
    striking Connally’s body. The HSCA said that a factor which
    “significantly” influenced its conclusion that the bullet that struck
    Connally had first struck and passed through Kennedy “was the ovoid
    shape of the wound in the Governor’s back, indicating that the bullet
    had begun to tumble or yaw before entering. An ovoid wound is
    characteristic of one caused by a bullet that has passed through or
    glanced off an intervening object…The forensic pathology panel’s
    conclusions were consistent with the so-called single bullet theory
    advanced by the Warren Commission,” to wit, that one bullet had passed >>>> “through both President Kennedy and Governor Connally.”

    My firearms expert at the London trial, Monty Lutz, told me that “no
    bullet traveling at 2,000 feet per second is going to start to tumble
    or yaw on its own until around 200 yards. When Connally was struck he
    was around 60 yards from the window, so the bullet had to have hit
    something before it hit him, and other than Kennedy’s body, there was
    nothing between the sixth-floor window and him. Not the oak tree, or
    its leaves. Nothing.”

    It has to be emphasized that at the time Connally was struck by a
    bullet (somewhere between Z frames 210 and 222),* the oak tree to the
    north of Elm close to the Depository Building was no longer in the
    line of fire from the sniper’s nest to Connally’s body.

    So Kennedy’s body was the only intervening object that the Connally
    bullet could have first hit. HSCA physical scientist Larry M.
    Sturdivan told the committee that the Carcano bullet was a “very
    stable bullet, perhaps one of the most stable bullets that we have
    ever done experimentation with.” He said that it would only start
    yawing—and then very little, “perhaps less than a degree”—at “about
    100 meters” (about 110 yards) and “if it had struck [Connally] without >>>> having previously encountered another object, it [Connally’s back
    wound] would never have been elongated. This bullet is too stable. It
    would have had to be a nice round hole.”

    Here's the quesition that Chickenshit will refuse to answer: What is
    the "virtually conclusive evidence" that Bugs was talking about?

    The shape of the wound.

    What was the shape of the wound?

    Descriptions of the wound are in the first paragraph...

    You'll have to argue with Chickenshit over that. His claim is that I
    was "selective(ly) quoting."

    So Chuckles... what was the shape of the wound?

    If you don't know, don't be embarrassed, just admit you can't answer.

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  • From Bud@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Thu Aug 10 14:17:18 2023
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 5:01:59 PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 13:48:50 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 4:43:57?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 13:37:30 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 4:01:46?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 12:49:26 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 2:45:31?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote: >>>>>> 3. Another fact that, all by itself, is virtually conclusive evidence >>>>>> proving the single-bullet theory is that the entrance wound in
    Governor Connally’s back was not circular, but oval. Drs. Charles >>>>>> Gregory and Robert Shaw, who attended Connally at Parkland Hospital, >>>>>> described the wound as “linear” and “elliptical” in shape, indicating
    that the bullet was out of alignment with its trajectory just before >>>>>> striking Connally’s body. The HSCA said that a factor which
    “significantly” influenced its conclusion that the bullet that struck
    Connally had first struck and passed through Kennedy “was the ovoid >>>>>> shape of the wound in the Governor’s back, indicating that the bullet
    had begun to tumble or yaw before entering. An ovoid wound is
    characteristic of one caused by a bullet that has passed through or >>>>>> glanced off an intervening object…The forensic pathology panel’s >>>>>> conclusions were consistent with the so-called single bullet theory >>>>>> advanced by the Warren Commission,” to wit, that one bullet had passed
    “through both President Kennedy and Governor Connally.”

    My firearms expert at the London trial, Monty Lutz, told me that “no
    bullet traveling at 2,000 feet per second is going to start to tumble >>>>>> or yaw on its own until around 200 yards. When Connally was struck he >>>>>> was around 60 yards from the window, so the bullet had to have hit >>>>>> something before it hit him, and other than Kennedy’s body, there was
    nothing between the sixth-floor window and him. Not the oak tree, or >>>>>> its leaves. Nothing.”

    It has to be emphasized that at the time Connally was struck by a >>>>>> bullet (somewhere between Z frames 210 and 222),* the oak tree to the >>>>>> north of Elm close to the Depository Building was no longer in the >>>>>> line of fire from the sniper’s nest to Connally’s body.

    So Kennedy’s body was the only intervening object that the Connally >>>>>> bullet could have first hit. HSCA physical scientist Larry M.
    Sturdivan told the committee that the Carcano bullet was a “very >>>>>> stable bullet, perhaps one of the most stable bullets that we have >>>>>> ever done experimentation with.” He said that it would only start >>>>>> yawing—and then very little, “perhaps less than a degree”—at “about
    100 meters” (about 110 yards) and “if it had struck [Connally] without
    having previously encountered another object, it [Connally’s back >>>>>> wound] would never have been elongated. This bullet is too stable. It >>>>>> would have had to be a nice round hole.”

    Here's the quesition that Chickenshit will refuse to answer: What is >>>>>> the "virtually conclusive evidence" that Bugs was talking about? >>>>>
    The shape of the wound.

    What was the shape of the wound?

    Oval...

    Getting closer...

    So according to Bugliosi,
    it was this "oval" shape that was "virtually
    conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

    You may give as long an answer as you want, as long as it's preceded
    by a definitive "yes," or "no."

    Quote Bugliosi's answer to support your response...
    Non-answers deleted.

    You hate the truth so you remove it.

    So, according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval"
    shape that was "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

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  • From Bud@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Thu Aug 10 14:18:22 2023
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 5:04:05 PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 13:40:11 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler <chucksch...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 3:01:46?PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 12:49:26 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 2:45:31?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    3. Another fact that, all by itself, is virtually conclusive evidence >>>> proving the single-bullet theory is that the entrance wound in
    Governor Connally’s back was not circular, but oval. Drs. Charles >>>> Gregory and Robert Shaw, who attended Connally at Parkland Hospital, >>>> described the wound as “linear” and “elliptical” in shape, indicating
    that the bullet was out of alignment with its trajectory just before >>>> striking Connally’s body. The HSCA said that a factor which
    “significantly” influenced its conclusion that the bullet that struck
    Connally had first struck and passed through Kennedy “was the ovoid >>>> shape of the wound in the Governor’s back, indicating that the bullet >>>> had begun to tumble or yaw before entering. An ovoid wound is
    characteristic of one caused by a bullet that has passed through or >>>> glanced off an intervening object…The forensic pathology panel’s >>>> conclusions were consistent with the so-called single bullet theory >>>> advanced by the Warren Commission,” to wit, that one bullet had passed
    “through both President Kennedy and Governor Connally.”

    My firearms expert at the London trial, Monty Lutz, told me that “no >>>> bullet traveling at 2,000 feet per second is going to start to tumble >>>> or yaw on its own until around 200 yards. When Connally was struck he >>>> was around 60 yards from the window, so the bullet had to have hit
    something before it hit him, and other than Kennedy’s body, there was >>>> nothing between the sixth-floor window and him. Not the oak tree, or >>>> its leaves. Nothing.”

    It has to be emphasized that at the time Connally was struck by a
    bullet (somewhere between Z frames 210 and 222),* the oak tree to the >>>> north of Elm close to the Depository Building was no longer in the
    line of fire from the sniper’s nest to Connally’s body.

    So Kennedy’s body was the only intervening object that the Connally >>>> bullet could have first hit. HSCA physical scientist Larry M.
    Sturdivan told the committee that the Carcano bullet was a “very
    stable bullet, perhaps one of the most stable bullets that we have
    ever done experimentation with.” He said that it would only start >>>> yawing—and then very little, “perhaps less than a degree”—at “about
    100 meters” (about 110 yards) and “if it had struck [Connally] without
    having previously encountered another object, it [Connally’s back >>>> wound] would never have been elongated. This bullet is too stable. It >>>> would have had to be a nice round hole.”

    Here's the quesition that Chickenshit will refuse to answer: What is >>>> the "virtually conclusive evidence" that Bugs was talking about?

    The shape of the wound.

    What was the shape of the wound?

    Descriptions of the wound are in the first paragraph...

    You'll have to argue with Chickenshit over that. His claim is that I
    was "selective(ly) quoting."

    So Chuckles... what was the shape of the wound?

    Fringe reset, I already answered you...

    "Oval, linear, elliptical, ovoid according to the passage you supplied. Can`t you read?"

    If you don't know, don't be embarrassed, just admit you can't answer.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 10 14:19:22 2023
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 14:17:18 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirslick@fast.net>
    wrote:

    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 5:01:59?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 13:48:50 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 4:43:57?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 13:37:30 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 4:01:46?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 12:49:26 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 2:45:31?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote: >>>>>>>> 3. Another fact that, all by itself, is virtually conclusive evidence >>>>>>>> proving the single-bullet theory is that the entrance wound in >>>>>>>> Governor Connally’s back was not circular, but oval. Drs. Charles >>>>>>>> Gregory and Robert Shaw, who attended Connally at Parkland Hospital, >>>>>>>> described the wound as “linear” and “elliptical” in shape, indicating >>>>>>>> that the bullet was out of alignment with its trajectory just before >>>>>>>> striking Connally’s body. The HSCA said that a factor which
    “significantly” influenced its conclusion that the bullet that struck >>>>>>>> Connally had first struck and passed through Kennedy “was the ovoid >>>>>>>> shape of the wound in the Governor’s back, indicating that the bullet >>>>>>>> had begun to tumble or yaw before entering. An ovoid wound is
    characteristic of one caused by a bullet that has passed through or >>>>>>>> glanced off an intervening object…The forensic pathology panel’s >>>>>>>> conclusions were consistent with the so-called single bullet theory >>>>>>>> advanced by the Warren Commission,” to wit, that one bullet had passed >>>>>>>> “through both President Kennedy and Governor Connally.”

    My firearms expert at the London trial, Monty Lutz, told me that “no >>>>>>>> bullet traveling at 2,000 feet per second is going to start to tumble >>>>>>>> or yaw on its own until around 200 yards. When Connally was struck he >>>>>>>> was around 60 yards from the window, so the bullet had to have hit >>>>>>>> something before it hit him, and other than Kennedy’s body, there was >>>>>>>> nothing between the sixth-floor window and him. Not the oak tree, or >>>>>>>> its leaves. Nothing.”

    It has to be emphasized that at the time Connally was struck by a >>>>>>>> bullet (somewhere between Z frames 210 and 222),* the oak tree to the >>>>>>>> north of Elm close to the Depository Building was no longer in the >>>>>>>> line of fire from the sniper’s nest to Connally’s body.

    So Kennedy’s body was the only intervening object that the Connally >>>>>>>> bullet could have first hit. HSCA physical scientist Larry M.
    Sturdivan told the committee that the Carcano bullet was a “very >>>>>>>> stable bullet, perhaps one of the most stable bullets that we have >>>>>>>> ever done experimentation with.” He said that it would only start >>>>>>>> yawing—and then very little, “perhaps less than a degree”—at “about >>>>>>>> 100 meters” (about 110 yards) and “if it had struck [Connally] without >>>>>>>> having previously encountered another object, it [Connally’s back >>>>>>>> wound] would never have been elongated. This bullet is too stable. It >>>>>>>> would have had to be a nice round hole.”

    Here's the quesition that Chickenshit will refuse to answer: What is >>>>>>>> the "virtually conclusive evidence" that Bugs was talking about? >>>>>>>
    The shape of the wound.

    What was the shape of the wound?

    Oval...

    Getting closer...

    So according to Bugliosi,
    it was this "oval" shape that was "virtually
    conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

    You may give as long an answer as you want, as long as it's preceded
    by a definitive "yes," or "no."

    Quote Bugliosi's answer to support your response...
    Non-answers deleted.

    So, according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval"
    shape that was "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

    So, according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval" shape that was
    "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Bud@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Thu Aug 10 14:24:18 2023
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 5:19:30 PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 14:17:18 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 5:01:59?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 13:48:50 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 4:43:57?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 13:37:30 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 4:01:46?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote: >>>>>> On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 12:49:26 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net> >>>>>> wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 2:45:31?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote: >>>>>>>> 3. Another fact that, all by itself, is virtually conclusive evidence
    proving the single-bullet theory is that the entrance wound in >>>>>>>> Governor Connally’s back was not circular, but oval. Drs. Charles >>>>>>>> Gregory and Robert Shaw, who attended Connally at Parkland Hospital,
    described the wound as “linear” and “elliptical” in shape, indicating
    that the bullet was out of alignment with its trajectory just before
    striking Connally’s body. The HSCA said that a factor which >>>>>>>> “significantly” influenced its conclusion that the bullet that struck
    Connally had first struck and passed through Kennedy “was the ovoid
    shape of the wound in the Governor’s back, indicating that the bullet
    had begun to tumble or yaw before entering. An ovoid wound is >>>>>>>> characteristic of one caused by a bullet that has passed through or >>>>>>>> glanced off an intervening object…The forensic pathology panel’s
    conclusions were consistent with the so-called single bullet theory >>>>>>>> advanced by the Warren Commission,” to wit, that one bullet had passed
    “through both President Kennedy and Governor Connally.” >>>>>>>>
    My firearms expert at the London trial, Monty Lutz, told me that “no
    bullet traveling at 2,000 feet per second is going to start to tumble
    or yaw on its own until around 200 yards. When Connally was struck he
    was around 60 yards from the window, so the bullet had to have hit >>>>>>>> something before it hit him, and other than Kennedy’s body, there was
    nothing between the sixth-floor window and him. Not the oak tree, or
    its leaves. Nothing.”

    It has to be emphasized that at the time Connally was struck by a >>>>>>>> bullet (somewhere between Z frames 210 and 222),* the oak tree to the
    north of Elm close to the Depository Building was no longer in the >>>>>>>> line of fire from the sniper’s nest to Connally’s body. >>>>>>>>
    So Kennedy’s body was the only intervening object that the Connally
    bullet could have first hit. HSCA physical scientist Larry M. >>>>>>>> Sturdivan told the committee that the Carcano bullet was a “very >>>>>>>> stable bullet, perhaps one of the most stable bullets that we have >>>>>>>> ever done experimentation with.” He said that it would only start >>>>>>>> yawing—and then very little, “perhaps less than a degree”—at “about
    100 meters” (about 110 yards) and “if it had struck [Connally] without
    having previously encountered another object, it [Connally’s back >>>>>>>> wound] would never have been elongated. This bullet is too stable. It
    would have had to be a nice round hole.”

    Here's the quesition that Chickenshit will refuse to answer: What is
    the "virtually conclusive evidence" that Bugs was talking about? >>>>>>>
    The shape of the wound.

    What was the shape of the wound?

    Oval...

    Getting closer...

    So according to Bugliosi,
    it was this "oval" shape that was "virtually
    conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

    You may give as long an answer as you want, as long as it's preceded >>>> by a definitive "yes," or "no."

    Quote Bugliosi's answer to support your response...
    Non-answers deleted.

    So, according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval"
    shape that was "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

    So, according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval" shape that was
    "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

    He went on to explain the concept.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 10 14:25:29 2023
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 14:18:22 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirslick@fast.net>
    wrote:

    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 5:04:05?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 13:40:11 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler
    <chucksch...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 3:01:46?PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 12:49:26 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 2:45:31?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    3. Another fact that, all by itself, is virtually conclusive evidence >>>>>> proving the single-bullet theory is that the entrance wound in
    Governor Connally’s back was not circular, but oval. Drs. Charles
    Gregory and Robert Shaw, who attended Connally at Parkland Hospital, >>>>>> described the wound as “linear” and “elliptical” in shape, indicating >>>>>> that the bullet was out of alignment with its trajectory just before >>>>>> striking Connally’s body. The HSCA said that a factor which
    “significantly” influenced its conclusion that the bullet that struck >>>>>> Connally had first struck and passed through Kennedy “was the ovoid >>>>>> shape of the wound in the Governor’s back, indicating that the bullet >>>>>> had begun to tumble or yaw before entering. An ovoid wound is
    characteristic of one caused by a bullet that has passed through or >>>>>> glanced off an intervening object…The forensic pathology panel’s
    conclusions were consistent with the so-called single bullet theory >>>>>> advanced by the Warren Commission,” to wit, that one bullet had passed >>>>>> “through both President Kennedy and Governor Connally.”

    My firearms expert at the London trial, Monty Lutz, told me that “no >>>>>> bullet traveling at 2,000 feet per second is going to start to tumble >>>>>> or yaw on its own until around 200 yards. When Connally was struck he >>>>>> was around 60 yards from the window, so the bullet had to have hit >>>>>> something before it hit him, and other than Kennedy’s body, there was >>>>>> nothing between the sixth-floor window and him. Not the oak tree, or >>>>>> its leaves. Nothing.”

    It has to be emphasized that at the time Connally was struck by a
    bullet (somewhere between Z frames 210 and 222),* the oak tree to the >>>>>> north of Elm close to the Depository Building was no longer in the >>>>>> line of fire from the sniper’s nest to Connally’s body.

    So Kennedy’s body was the only intervening object that the Connally >>>>>> bullet could have first hit. HSCA physical scientist Larry M.
    Sturdivan told the committee that the Carcano bullet was a “very
    stable bullet, perhaps one of the most stable bullets that we have >>>>>> ever done experimentation with.” He said that it would only start
    yawing—and then very little, “perhaps less than a degree”—at “about >>>>>> 100 meters” (about 110 yards) and “if it had struck [Connally] without >>>>>> having previously encountered another object, it [Connally’s back
    wound] would never have been elongated. This bullet is too stable. It >>>>>> would have had to be a nice round hole.”

    Here's the quesition that Chickenshit will refuse to answer: What is >>>>>> the "virtually conclusive evidence" that Bugs was talking about?

    The shape of the wound.

    What was the shape of the wound?

    Descriptions of the wound are in the first paragraph...

    You'll have to argue with Chickenshit over that. His claim is that I
    was "selective(ly) quoting."

    So Chuckles... what was the shape of the wound?

    Fringe reset...


    If Chuckles wants to play the game, **HE'LL** have to answer.


    If you don't know, don't be embarrassed, just admit you can't answer.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 10 14:34:55 2023
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 14:24:18 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirslick@fast.net>
    wrote:

    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 5:19:30?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 14:17:18 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 5:01:59?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 13:48:50 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 4:43:57?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 13:37:30 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 4:01:46?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote: >>>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 12:49:26 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net> >>>>>>>> wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 2:45:31?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote: >>>>>>>>>> 3. Another fact that, all by itself, is virtually conclusive evidence
    proving the single-bullet theory is that the entrance wound in >>>>>>>>>> Governor Connally’s back was not circular, but oval. Drs. Charles >>>>>>>>>> Gregory and Robert Shaw, who attended Connally at Parkland Hospital, >>>>>>>>>> described the wound as “linear” and “elliptical” in shape, indicating
    that the bullet was out of alignment with its trajectory just before >>>>>>>>>> striking Connally’s body. The HSCA said that a factor which >>>>>>>>>> “significantly” influenced its conclusion that the bullet that struck
    Connally had first struck and passed through Kennedy “was the ovoid >>>>>>>>>> shape of the wound in the Governor’s back, indicating that the bullet
    had begun to tumble or yaw before entering. An ovoid wound is >>>>>>>>>> characteristic of one caused by a bullet that has passed through or >>>>>>>>>> glanced off an intervening object…The forensic pathology panel’s >>>>>>>>>> conclusions were consistent with the so-called single bullet theory >>>>>>>>>> advanced by the Warren Commission,” to wit, that one bullet had passed
    “through both President Kennedy and Governor Connally.”

    My firearms expert at the London trial, Monty Lutz, told me that “no >>>>>>>>>> bullet traveling at 2,000 feet per second is going to start to tumble
    or yaw on its own until around 200 yards. When Connally was struck he
    was around 60 yards from the window, so the bullet had to have hit >>>>>>>>>> something before it hit him, and other than Kennedy’s body, there was
    nothing between the sixth-floor window and him. Not the oak tree, or >>>>>>>>>> its leaves. Nothing.”

    It has to be emphasized that at the time Connally was struck by a >>>>>>>>>> bullet (somewhere between Z frames 210 and 222),* the oak tree to the
    north of Elm close to the Depository Building was no longer in the >>>>>>>>>> line of fire from the sniper’s nest to Connally’s body.

    So Kennedy’s body was the only intervening object that the Connally >>>>>>>>>> bullet could have first hit. HSCA physical scientist Larry M. >>>>>>>>>> Sturdivan told the committee that the Carcano bullet was a “very >>>>>>>>>> stable bullet, perhaps one of the most stable bullets that we have >>>>>>>>>> ever done experimentation with.” He said that it would only start >>>>>>>>>> yawing—and then very little, “perhaps less than a degree”—at “about >>>>>>>>>> 100 meters” (about 110 yards) and “if it had struck [Connally] without
    having previously encountered another object, it [Connally’s back >>>>>>>>>> wound] would never have been elongated. This bullet is too stable. It
    would have had to be a nice round hole.”

    Here's the quesition that Chickenshit will refuse to answer: What is >>>>>>>>>> the "virtually conclusive evidence" that Bugs was talking about? >>>>>>>>>
    The shape of the wound.

    What was the shape of the wound?

    Oval...

    Getting closer...

    So according to Bugliosi,
    it was this "oval" shape that was "virtually
    conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

    You may give as long an answer as you want, as long as it's preceded >>>>>> by a definitive "yes," or "no."

    Quote Bugliosi's answer to support your response...
    Non-answers deleted.

    So, according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval"
    shape that was "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

    So, according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval" shape that was
    "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

    Non answer deleted. So, according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval"
    shape that was "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Bud@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Thu Aug 10 14:28:02 2023
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 5:25:36 PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 14:18:22 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 5:04:05?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 13:40:11 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler
    <chucksch...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 3:01:46?PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 12:49:26 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 2:45:31?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote: >>>>>> 3. Another fact that, all by itself, is virtually conclusive evidence >>>>>> proving the single-bullet theory is that the entrance wound in
    Governor Connally’s back was not circular, but oval. Drs. Charles >>>>>> Gregory and Robert Shaw, who attended Connally at Parkland Hospital, >>>>>> described the wound as “linear” and “elliptical” in shape, indicating
    that the bullet was out of alignment with its trajectory just before >>>>>> striking Connally’s body. The HSCA said that a factor which
    “significantly” influenced its conclusion that the bullet that struck
    Connally had first struck and passed through Kennedy “was the ovoid >>>>>> shape of the wound in the Governor’s back, indicating that the bullet
    had begun to tumble or yaw before entering. An ovoid wound is
    characteristic of one caused by a bullet that has passed through or >>>>>> glanced off an intervening object…The forensic pathology panel’s >>>>>> conclusions were consistent with the so-called single bullet theory >>>>>> advanced by the Warren Commission,” to wit, that one bullet had passed
    “through both President Kennedy and Governor Connally.”

    My firearms expert at the London trial, Monty Lutz, told me that “no
    bullet traveling at 2,000 feet per second is going to start to tumble >>>>>> or yaw on its own until around 200 yards. When Connally was struck he >>>>>> was around 60 yards from the window, so the bullet had to have hit >>>>>> something before it hit him, and other than Kennedy’s body, there was
    nothing between the sixth-floor window and him. Not the oak tree, or >>>>>> its leaves. Nothing.”

    It has to be emphasized that at the time Connally was struck by a >>>>>> bullet (somewhere between Z frames 210 and 222),* the oak tree to the >>>>>> north of Elm close to the Depository Building was no longer in the >>>>>> line of fire from the sniper’s nest to Connally’s body.

    So Kennedy’s body was the only intervening object that the Connally >>>>>> bullet could have first hit. HSCA physical scientist Larry M.
    Sturdivan told the committee that the Carcano bullet was a “very >>>>>> stable bullet, perhaps one of the most stable bullets that we have >>>>>> ever done experimentation with.” He said that it would only start >>>>>> yawing—and then very little, “perhaps less than a degree”—at “about
    100 meters” (about 110 yards) and “if it had struck [Connally] without
    having previously encountered another object, it [Connally’s back >>>>>> wound] would never have been elongated. This bullet is too stable. It >>>>>> would have had to be a nice round hole.”

    Here's the quesition that Chickenshit will refuse to answer: What is >>>>>> the "virtually conclusive evidence" that Bugs was talking about? >>>>>
    The shape of the wound.

    What was the shape of the wound?

    Descriptions of the wound are in the first paragraph...

    You'll have to argue with Chickenshit over that. His claim is that I
    was "selective(ly) quoting."

    So Chuckles... what was the shape of the wound?

    Fringe reset...


    If Chuckles wants to play the game, **HE'LL** have to answer.

    He already did. You cowardly removed much of it.

    If you don't know, don't be embarrassed, just admit you can't answer.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 10 14:36:08 2023
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 14:28:02 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirslick@fast.net>
    wrote:

    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 5:25:36?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 14:18:22 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 5:04:05?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 13:40:11 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler
    <chucksch...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 3:01:46?PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 12:49:26 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 2:45:31?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote: >>>>>>>> 3. Another fact that, all by itself, is virtually conclusive evidence >>>>>>>> proving the single-bullet theory is that the entrance wound in >>>>>>>> Governor Connally’s back was not circular, but oval. Drs. Charles >>>>>>>> Gregory and Robert Shaw, who attended Connally at Parkland Hospital, >>>>>>>> described the wound as “linear” and “elliptical” in shape, indicating >>>>>>>> that the bullet was out of alignment with its trajectory just before >>>>>>>> striking Connally’s body. The HSCA said that a factor which
    “significantly” influenced its conclusion that the bullet that struck >>>>>>>> Connally had first struck and passed through Kennedy “was the ovoid >>>>>>>> shape of the wound in the Governor’s back, indicating that the bullet >>>>>>>> had begun to tumble or yaw before entering. An ovoid wound is
    characteristic of one caused by a bullet that has passed through or >>>>>>>> glanced off an intervening object…The forensic pathology panel’s >>>>>>>> conclusions were consistent with the so-called single bullet theory >>>>>>>> advanced by the Warren Commission,” to wit, that one bullet had passed >>>>>>>> “through both President Kennedy and Governor Connally.”

    My firearms expert at the London trial, Monty Lutz, told me that “no >>>>>>>> bullet traveling at 2,000 feet per second is going to start to tumble >>>>>>>> or yaw on its own until around 200 yards. When Connally was struck he >>>>>>>> was around 60 yards from the window, so the bullet had to have hit >>>>>>>> something before it hit him, and other than Kennedy’s body, there was >>>>>>>> nothing between the sixth-floor window and him. Not the oak tree, or >>>>>>>> its leaves. Nothing.”

    It has to be emphasized that at the time Connally was struck by a >>>>>>>> bullet (somewhere between Z frames 210 and 222),* the oak tree to the >>>>>>>> north of Elm close to the Depository Building was no longer in the >>>>>>>> line of fire from the sniper’s nest to Connally’s body.

    So Kennedy’s body was the only intervening object that the Connally >>>>>>>> bullet could have first hit. HSCA physical scientist Larry M.
    Sturdivan told the committee that the Carcano bullet was a “very >>>>>>>> stable bullet, perhaps one of the most stable bullets that we have >>>>>>>> ever done experimentation with.” He said that it would only start >>>>>>>> yawing—and then very little, “perhaps less than a degree”—at “about >>>>>>>> 100 meters” (about 110 yards) and “if it had struck [Connally] without >>>>>>>> having previously encountered another object, it [Connally’s back >>>>>>>> wound] would never have been elongated. This bullet is too stable. It >>>>>>>> would have had to be a nice round hole.”

    Here's the quesition that Chickenshit will refuse to answer: What is >>>>>>>> the "virtually conclusive evidence" that Bugs was talking about? >>>>>>>
    The shape of the wound.

    What was the shape of the wound?

    Descriptions of the wound are in the first paragraph...

    You'll have to argue with Chickenshit over that. His claim is that I
    was "selective(ly) quoting."

    So Chuckles... what was the shape of the wound?

    Fringe reset...

    If Chuckles wants to play the game, **HE'LL** have to answer.


    Still no answer from Chuckles...


    If you don't know, don't be embarrassed, just admit you can't answer.

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  • From Chuck Schuyler@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Thu Aug 10 15:32:30 2023
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 4:36:14 PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 14:28:02 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 5:25:36?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 14:18:22 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 5:04:05?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 13:40:11 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler
    <chucksch...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 3:01:46?PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote: >>>>>> On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 12:49:26 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net> >>>>>> wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 2:45:31?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote: >>>>>>>> 3. Another fact that, all by itself, is virtually conclusive evidence
    proving the single-bullet theory is that the entrance wound in >>>>>>>> Governor Connally’s back was not circular, but oval. Drs. Charles >>>>>>>> Gregory and Robert Shaw, who attended Connally at Parkland Hospital,
    described the wound as “linear” and “elliptical” in shape, indicating
    that the bullet was out of alignment with its trajectory just before
    striking Connally’s body. The HSCA said that a factor which >>>>>>>> “significantly” influenced its conclusion that the bullet that struck
    Connally had first struck and passed through Kennedy “was the ovoid
    shape of the wound in the Governor’s back, indicating that the bullet
    had begun to tumble or yaw before entering. An ovoid wound is >>>>>>>> characteristic of one caused by a bullet that has passed through or >>>>>>>> glanced off an intervening object…The forensic pathology panel’s
    conclusions were consistent with the so-called single bullet theory >>>>>>>> advanced by the Warren Commission,” to wit, that one bullet had passed
    “through both President Kennedy and Governor Connally.” >>>>>>>>
    My firearms expert at the London trial, Monty Lutz, told me that “no
    bullet traveling at 2,000 feet per second is going to start to tumble
    or yaw on its own until around 200 yards. When Connally was struck he
    was around 60 yards from the window, so the bullet had to have hit >>>>>>>> something before it hit him, and other than Kennedy’s body, there was
    nothing between the sixth-floor window and him. Not the oak tree, or
    its leaves. Nothing.”

    It has to be emphasized that at the time Connally was struck by a >>>>>>>> bullet (somewhere between Z frames 210 and 222),* the oak tree to the
    north of Elm close to the Depository Building was no longer in the >>>>>>>> line of fire from the sniper’s nest to Connally’s body. >>>>>>>>
    So Kennedy’s body was the only intervening object that the Connally
    bullet could have first hit. HSCA physical scientist Larry M. >>>>>>>> Sturdivan told the committee that the Carcano bullet was a “very >>>>>>>> stable bullet, perhaps one of the most stable bullets that we have >>>>>>>> ever done experimentation with.” He said that it would only start >>>>>>>> yawing—and then very little, “perhaps less than a degree”—at “about
    100 meters” (about 110 yards) and “if it had struck [Connally] without
    having previously encountered another object, it [Connally’s back >>>>>>>> wound] would never have been elongated. This bullet is too stable. It
    would have had to be a nice round hole.”

    Here's the quesition that Chickenshit will refuse to answer: What is
    the "virtually conclusive evidence" that Bugs was talking about? >>>>>>>
    The shape of the wound.

    What was the shape of the wound?

    Descriptions of the wound are in the first paragraph...

    You'll have to argue with Chickenshit over that. His claim is that I >>>> was "selective(ly) quoting."

    So Chuckles... what was the shape of the wound?

    Fringe reset...

    If Chuckles wants to play the game, **HE'LL** have to answer.

    Still no answer from Chuckles...

    Wrong.

    More arguing to argue from Ben. Eristic argumentation. Ben argues for conflict, never for clarity.


    If you don't know, don't be embarrassed, just admit you can't answer.

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  • From Bud@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Thu Aug 10 15:33:36 2023
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 5:35:03 PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 14:24:18 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 5:19:30?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 14:17:18 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 5:01:59?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 13:48:50 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 4:43:57?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote: >>>>>> On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 13:37:30 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net> >>>>>> wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 4:01:46?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote: >>>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 12:49:26 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net> >>>>>>>> wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 2:45:31?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote: >>>>>>>>>> 3. Another fact that, all by itself, is virtually conclusive evidence
    proving the single-bullet theory is that the entrance wound in >>>>>>>>>> Governor Connally’s back was not circular, but oval. Drs. Charles
    Gregory and Robert Shaw, who attended Connally at Parkland Hospital,
    described the wound as “linear” and “elliptical” in shape, indicating
    that the bullet was out of alignment with its trajectory just before
    striking Connally’s body. The HSCA said that a factor which >>>>>>>>>> “significantly” influenced its conclusion that the bullet that struck
    Connally had first struck and passed through Kennedy “was the ovoid
    shape of the wound in the Governor’s back, indicating that the bullet
    had begun to tumble or yaw before entering. An ovoid wound is >>>>>>>>>> characteristic of one caused by a bullet that has passed through or
    glanced off an intervening object…The forensic pathology panel’s
    conclusions were consistent with the so-called single bullet theory
    advanced by the Warren Commission,” to wit, that one bullet had passed
    “through both President Kennedy and Governor Connally.” >>>>>>>>>>
    My firearms expert at the London trial, Monty Lutz, told me that “no
    bullet traveling at 2,000 feet per second is going to start to tumble
    or yaw on its own until around 200 yards. When Connally was struck he
    was around 60 yards from the window, so the bullet had to have hit
    something before it hit him, and other than Kennedy’s body, there was
    nothing between the sixth-floor window and him. Not the oak tree, or
    its leaves. Nothing.”

    It has to be emphasized that at the time Connally was struck by a >>>>>>>>>> bullet (somewhere between Z frames 210 and 222),* the oak tree to the
    north of Elm close to the Depository Building was no longer in the
    line of fire from the sniper’s nest to Connally’s body. >>>>>>>>>>
    So Kennedy’s body was the only intervening object that the Connally
    bullet could have first hit. HSCA physical scientist Larry M. >>>>>>>>>> Sturdivan told the committee that the Carcano bullet was a “very
    stable bullet, perhaps one of the most stable bullets that we have
    ever done experimentation with.” He said that it would only start
    yawing—and then very little, “perhaps less than a degree”—at “about
    100 meters” (about 110 yards) and “if it had struck [Connally] without
    having previously encountered another object, it [Connally’s back
    wound] would never have been elongated. This bullet is too stable. It
    would have had to be a nice round hole.”

    Here's the quesition that Chickenshit will refuse to answer: What is
    the "virtually conclusive evidence" that Bugs was talking about? >>>>>>>>>
    The shape of the wound.

    What was the shape of the wound?

    Oval...

    Getting closer...

    So according to Bugliosi,
    it was this "oval" shape that was "virtually
    conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

    You may give as long an answer as you want, as long as it's preceded >>>>>> by a definitive "yes," or "no."

    Quote Bugliosi's answer to support your response...
    Non-answers deleted.

    So, according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval"
    shape that was "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

    So, according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval" shape that was
    "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?
    Non answer deleted. So, according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval"
    shape that was "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

    So did the HSCA...

    "The HSCA said that a factor which “significantly” influenced its conclusion that the bullet that struck Connally had first struck and passed through Kennedy “was the ovoid shape of the wound in the Governor’s back, indicating that the bullet
    had begun to tumble or yaw before entering."

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 10 15:40:27 2023
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 15:33:36 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirslick@fast.net>
    wrote:

    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 5:35:03?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 14:24:18 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 5:19:30?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 14:17:18 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 5:01:59?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 13:48:50 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 4:43:57?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote: >>>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 13:37:30 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net> >>>>>>>> wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 4:01:46?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 12:49:26 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 2:45:31?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Another fact that, all by itself, is virtually conclusive evidence
    proving the single-bullet theory is that the entrance wound in >>>>>>>>>>>> Governor Connally’s back was not circular, but oval. Drs. Charles >>>>>>>>>>>> Gregory and Robert Shaw, who attended Connally at Parkland Hospital,
    described the wound as “linear” and “elliptical” in shape, indicating
    that the bullet was out of alignment with its trajectory just before
    striking Connally’s body. The HSCA said that a factor which >>>>>>>>>>>> “significantly” influenced its conclusion that the bullet that struck
    Connally had first struck and passed through Kennedy “was the ovoid
    shape of the wound in the Governor’s back, indicating that the bullet
    had begun to tumble or yaw before entering. An ovoid wound is >>>>>>>>>>>> characteristic of one caused by a bullet that has passed through or
    glanced off an intervening object…The forensic pathology panel’s >>>>>>>>>>>> conclusions were consistent with the so-called single bullet theory
    advanced by the Warren Commission,” to wit, that one bullet had passed
    “through both President Kennedy and Governor Connally.” >>>>>>>>>>>>
    My firearms expert at the London trial, Monty Lutz, told me that “no
    bullet traveling at 2,000 feet per second is going to start to tumble
    or yaw on its own until around 200 yards. When Connally was struck he
    was around 60 yards from the window, so the bullet had to have hit >>>>>>>>>>>> something before it hit him, and other than Kennedy’s body, there was
    nothing between the sixth-floor window and him. Not the oak tree, or
    its leaves. Nothing.”

    It has to be emphasized that at the time Connally was struck by a >>>>>>>>>>>> bullet (somewhere between Z frames 210 and 222),* the oak tree to the
    north of Elm close to the Depository Building was no longer in the >>>>>>>>>>>> line of fire from the sniper’s nest to Connally’s body. >>>>>>>>>>>>
    So Kennedy’s body was the only intervening object that the Connally
    bullet could have first hit. HSCA physical scientist Larry M. >>>>>>>>>>>> Sturdivan told the committee that the Carcano bullet was a “very >>>>>>>>>>>> stable bullet, perhaps one of the most stable bullets that we have >>>>>>>>>>>> ever done experimentation with.” He said that it would only start >>>>>>>>>>>> yawing—and then very little, “perhaps less than a degree”—at “about
    100 meters” (about 110 yards) and “if it had struck [Connally] without
    having previously encountered another object, it [Connally’s back >>>>>>>>>>>> wound] would never have been elongated. This bullet is too stable. It
    would have had to be a nice round hole.”

    Here's the quesition that Chickenshit will refuse to answer: What is
    the "virtually conclusive evidence" that Bugs was talking about? >>>>>>>>>>>
    The shape of the wound.

    What was the shape of the wound?

    Oval...

    Getting closer...

    So according to Bugliosi,
    it was this "oval" shape that was "virtually
    conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

    You may give as long an answer as you want, as long as it's preceded >>>>>>>> by a definitive "yes," or "no."

    Quote Bugliosi's answer to support your response...
    Non-answers deleted.

    So, according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval"
    shape that was "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

    So, according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval" shape that was
    "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

    Non answer deleted. So, according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval"
    shape that was "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

    Non answer deleted. So, according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval"
    shape that was "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to chuckschuyler123@gmail.com on Thu Aug 10 15:58:09 2023
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 15:32:30 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler <chuckschuyler123@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 4:36:14?PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 14:28:02 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 5:25:36?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 14:18:22 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 5:04:05?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 13:40:11 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler
    <chucksch...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 3:01:46?PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote: >>>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 12:49:26 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net> >>>>>>>> wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 2:45:31?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote: >>>>>>>>>> 3. Another fact that, all by itself, is virtually conclusive evidence
    proving the single-bullet theory is that the entrance wound in >>>>>>>>>> Governor Connally’s back was not circular, but oval. Drs. Charles >>>>>>>>>> Gregory and Robert Shaw, who attended Connally at Parkland Hospital, >>>>>>>>>> described the wound as “linear” and “elliptical” in shape, indicating
    that the bullet was out of alignment with its trajectory just before >>>>>>>>>> striking Connally’s body. The HSCA said that a factor which >>>>>>>>>> “significantly” influenced its conclusion that the bullet that struck
    Connally had first struck and passed through Kennedy “was the ovoid >>>>>>>>>> shape of the wound in the Governor’s back, indicating that the bullet
    had begun to tumble or yaw before entering. An ovoid wound is >>>>>>>>>> characteristic of one caused by a bullet that has passed through or >>>>>>>>>> glanced off an intervening object…The forensic pathology panel’s >>>>>>>>>> conclusions were consistent with the so-called single bullet theory >>>>>>>>>> advanced by the Warren Commission,” to wit, that one bullet had passed
    “through both President Kennedy and Governor Connally.”

    My firearms expert at the London trial, Monty Lutz, told me that “no >>>>>>>>>> bullet traveling at 2,000 feet per second is going to start to tumble
    or yaw on its own until around 200 yards. When Connally was struck he
    was around 60 yards from the window, so the bullet had to have hit >>>>>>>>>> something before it hit him, and other than Kennedy’s body, there was
    nothing between the sixth-floor window and him. Not the oak tree, or >>>>>>>>>> its leaves. Nothing.”

    It has to be emphasized that at the time Connally was struck by a >>>>>>>>>> bullet (somewhere between Z frames 210 and 222),* the oak tree to the
    north of Elm close to the Depository Building was no longer in the >>>>>>>>>> line of fire from the sniper’s nest to Connally’s body.

    So Kennedy’s body was the only intervening object that the Connally >>>>>>>>>> bullet could have first hit. HSCA physical scientist Larry M. >>>>>>>>>> Sturdivan told the committee that the Carcano bullet was a “very >>>>>>>>>> stable bullet, perhaps one of the most stable bullets that we have >>>>>>>>>> ever done experimentation with.” He said that it would only start >>>>>>>>>> yawing—and then very little, “perhaps less than a degree”—at “about >>>>>>>>>> 100 meters” (about 110 yards) and “if it had struck [Connally] without
    having previously encountered another object, it [Connally’s back >>>>>>>>>> wound] would never have been elongated. This bullet is too stable. It
    would have had to be a nice round hole.”

    Here's the quesition that Chickenshit will refuse to answer: What is >>>>>>>>>> the "virtually conclusive evidence" that Bugs was talking about? >>>>>>>>>
    The shape of the wound.

    What was the shape of the wound?

    Descriptions of the wound are in the first paragraph...

    You'll have to argue with Chickenshit over that. His claim is that I >>>>>> was "selective(ly) quoting."

    So Chuckles... what was the shape of the wound?

    Fringe reset...

    If Chuckles wants to play the game, **HE'LL** have to answer.

    Still no answer from Chuckles...

    If you don't know, don't be embarrassed, just admit you can't answer.


    Still no answer from Chuckles. What was the shape of the wound?

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 10 16:00:49 2023
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 15:45:31 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirslick@fast.net>
    wrote:

    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 6:40:35?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 15:33:36 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 5:35:03?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 14:24:18 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 5:19:30?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 14:17:18 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 5:01:59?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote: >>>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 13:48:50 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net> >>>>>>>> wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 4:43:57?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 13:37:30 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 4:01:46?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 12:49:26 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 2:45:31?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    3. Another fact that, all by itself, is virtually conclusive evidence
    proving the single-bullet theory is that the entrance wound in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Governor Connally’s back was not circular, but oval. Drs. Charles
    Gregory and Robert Shaw, who attended Connally at Parkland Hospital,
    described the wound as “linear” and “elliptical” in shape, indicating
    that the bullet was out of alignment with its trajectory just before
    striking Connally’s body. The HSCA said that a factor which >>>>>>>>>>>>>> “significantly” influenced its conclusion that the bullet that struck
    Connally had first struck and passed through Kennedy “was the ovoid
    shape of the wound in the Governor’s back, indicating that the bullet
    had begun to tumble or yaw before entering. An ovoid wound is >>>>>>>>>>>>>> characteristic of one caused by a bullet that has passed through or
    glanced off an intervening object…The forensic pathology panel’s >>>>>>>>>>>>>> conclusions were consistent with the so-called single bullet theory
    advanced by the Warren Commission,” to wit, that one bullet had passed
    “through both President Kennedy and Governor Connally.” >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    My firearms expert at the London trial, Monty Lutz, told me that “no
    bullet traveling at 2,000 feet per second is going to start to tumble
    or yaw on its own until around 200 yards. When Connally was struck he
    was around 60 yards from the window, so the bullet had to have hit
    something before it hit him, and other than Kennedy’s body, there was
    nothing between the sixth-floor window and him. Not the oak tree, or
    its leaves. Nothing.”

    It has to be emphasized that at the time Connally was struck by a
    bullet (somewhere between Z frames 210 and 222),* the oak tree to the
    north of Elm close to the Depository Building was no longer in the
    line of fire from the sniper’s nest to Connally’s body. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    So Kennedy’s body was the only intervening object that the Connally
    bullet could have first hit. HSCA physical scientist Larry M. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sturdivan told the committee that the Carcano bullet was a “very >>>>>>>>>>>>>> stable bullet, perhaps one of the most stable bullets that we have
    ever done experimentation with.” He said that it would only start
    yawing—and then very little, “perhaps less than a degree”—at “about
    100 meters” (about 110 yards) and “if it had struck [Connally] without
    having previously encountered another object, it [Connally’s back
    wound] would never have been elongated. This bullet is too stable. It
    would have had to be a nice round hole.”

    Here's the quesition that Chickenshit will refuse to answer: What is
    the "virtually conclusive evidence" that Bugs was talking about? >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    The shape of the wound.

    What was the shape of the wound?

    Oval...

    Getting closer...

    So according to Bugliosi,
    it was this "oval" shape that was "virtually
    conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

    You may give as long an answer as you want, as long as it's preceded >>>>>>>>>> by a definitive "yes," or "no."

    Quote Bugliosi's answer to support your response...
    Non-answers deleted.

    So, according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval"
    shape that was "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

    So, according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval" shape that was
    "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

    Non answer deleted. So, according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval"
    shape that was "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

    Non answer deleted. So, according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval"
    shape that was "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?


    Non answer deleted. So, according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval"
    shape that was "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

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  • From Bud@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Thu Aug 10 15:45:31 2023
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 6:40:35 PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 15:33:36 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 5:35:03?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 14:24:18 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 5:19:30?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 14:17:18 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 5:01:59?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote: >>>>>> On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 13:48:50 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net> >>>>>> wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 4:43:57?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote: >>>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 13:37:30 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net> >>>>>>>> wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 4:01:46?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 12:49:26 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 2:45:31?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    3. Another fact that, all by itself, is virtually conclusive evidence
    proving the single-bullet theory is that the entrance wound in >>>>>>>>>>>> Governor Connally’s back was not circular, but oval. Drs. Charles
    Gregory and Robert Shaw, who attended Connally at Parkland Hospital,
    described the wound as “linear” and “elliptical” in shape, indicating
    that the bullet was out of alignment with its trajectory just before
    striking Connally’s body. The HSCA said that a factor which >>>>>>>>>>>> “significantly” influenced its conclusion that the bullet that struck
    Connally had first struck and passed through Kennedy “was the ovoid
    shape of the wound in the Governor’s back, indicating that the bullet
    had begun to tumble or yaw before entering. An ovoid wound is >>>>>>>>>>>> characteristic of one caused by a bullet that has passed through or
    glanced off an intervening object…The forensic pathology panel’s
    conclusions were consistent with the so-called single bullet theory
    advanced by the Warren Commission,” to wit, that one bullet had passed
    “through both President Kennedy and Governor Connally.” >>>>>>>>>>>>
    My firearms expert at the London trial, Monty Lutz, told me that “no
    bullet traveling at 2,000 feet per second is going to start to tumble
    or yaw on its own until around 200 yards. When Connally was struck he
    was around 60 yards from the window, so the bullet had to have hit
    something before it hit him, and other than Kennedy’s body, there was
    nothing between the sixth-floor window and him. Not the oak tree, or
    its leaves. Nothing.”

    It has to be emphasized that at the time Connally was struck by a
    bullet (somewhere between Z frames 210 and 222),* the oak tree to the
    north of Elm close to the Depository Building was no longer in the
    line of fire from the sniper’s nest to Connally’s body. >>>>>>>>>>>>
    So Kennedy’s body was the only intervening object that the Connally
    bullet could have first hit. HSCA physical scientist Larry M. >>>>>>>>>>>> Sturdivan told the committee that the Carcano bullet was a “very
    stable bullet, perhaps one of the most stable bullets that we have
    ever done experimentation with.” He said that it would only start
    yawing—and then very little, “perhaps less than a degree”—at “about
    100 meters” (about 110 yards) and “if it had struck [Connally] without
    having previously encountered another object, it [Connally’s back
    wound] would never have been elongated. This bullet is too stable. It
    would have had to be a nice round hole.”

    Here's the quesition that Chickenshit will refuse to answer: What is
    the "virtually conclusive evidence" that Bugs was talking about?

    The shape of the wound.

    What was the shape of the wound?

    Oval...

    Getting closer...

    So according to Bugliosi,
    it was this "oval" shape that was "virtually
    conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

    You may give as long an answer as you want, as long as it's preceded
    by a definitive "yes," or "no."

    Quote Bugliosi's answer to support your response...
    Non-answers deleted.

    So, according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval"
    shape that was "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

    So, according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval" shape that was
    "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

    Non answer deleted. So, according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval"
    shape that was "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

    Non answer deleted. So, according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval"
    shape that was "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aq-be7Y_yyY

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  • From Bud@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Thu Aug 10 16:02:03 2023
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 7:00:57 PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 15:45:31 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 6:40:35?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 15:33:36 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 5:35:03?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 14:24:18 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 5:19:30?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote: >>>>>> On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 14:17:18 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net> >>>>>> wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 5:01:59?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote: >>>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 13:48:50 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net> >>>>>>>> wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 4:43:57?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 13:37:30 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 4:01:46?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 12:49:26 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 2:45:31?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    3. Another fact that, all by itself, is virtually conclusive evidence
    proving the single-bullet theory is that the entrance wound in
    Governor Connally’s back was not circular, but oval. Drs. Charles
    Gregory and Robert Shaw, who attended Connally at Parkland Hospital,
    described the wound as “linear” and “elliptical” in shape, indicating
    that the bullet was out of alignment with its trajectory just before
    striking Connally’s body. The HSCA said that a factor which >>>>>>>>>>>>>> “significantly” influenced its conclusion that the bullet that struck
    Connally had first struck and passed through Kennedy “was the ovoid
    shape of the wound in the Governor’s back, indicating that the bullet
    had begun to tumble or yaw before entering. An ovoid wound is >>>>>>>>>>>>>> characteristic of one caused by a bullet that has passed through or
    glanced off an intervening object…The forensic pathology panel’s
    conclusions were consistent with the so-called single bullet theory
    advanced by the Warren Commission,” to wit, that one bullet had passed
    “through both President Kennedy and Governor Connally.” >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    My firearms expert at the London trial, Monty Lutz, told me that “no
    bullet traveling at 2,000 feet per second is going to start to tumble
    or yaw on its own until around 200 yards. When Connally was struck he
    was around 60 yards from the window, so the bullet had to have hit
    something before it hit him, and other than Kennedy’s body, there was
    nothing between the sixth-floor window and him. Not the oak tree, or
    its leaves. Nothing.”

    It has to be emphasized that at the time Connally was struck by a
    bullet (somewhere between Z frames 210 and 222),* the oak tree to the
    north of Elm close to the Depository Building was no longer in the
    line of fire from the sniper’s nest to Connally’s body. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    So Kennedy’s body was the only intervening object that the Connally
    bullet could have first hit. HSCA physical scientist Larry M. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sturdivan told the committee that the Carcano bullet was a “very
    stable bullet, perhaps one of the most stable bullets that we have
    ever done experimentation with.” He said that it would only start
    yawing—and then very little, “perhaps less than a degree”—at “about
    100 meters” (about 110 yards) and “if it had struck [Connally] without
    having previously encountered another object, it [Connally’s back
    wound] would never have been elongated. This bullet is too stable. It
    would have had to be a nice round hole.”

    Here's the quesition that Chickenshit will refuse to answer: What is
    the "virtually conclusive evidence" that Bugs was talking about?

    The shape of the wound.

    What was the shape of the wound?

    Oval...

    Getting closer...

    So according to Bugliosi,
    it was this "oval" shape that was "virtually
    conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

    You may give as long an answer as you want, as long as it's preceded
    by a definitive "yes," or "no."

    Quote Bugliosi's answer to support your response...
    Non-answers deleted.

    So, according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval"
    shape that was "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

    So, according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval" shape that was
    "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

    Non answer deleted. So, according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval"
    shape that was "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

    Non answer deleted. So, according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval"
    shape that was "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?


    Non answer deleted. So, according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval"
    shape that was "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

    HSCA also.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 10 16:11:09 2023
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 16:02:03 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirslick@fast.net>
    wrote:

    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 7:00:57?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 15:45:31 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 6:40:35?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 15:33:36 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 5:35:03?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 14:24:18 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 5:19:30?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote: >>>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 14:17:18 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net> >>>>>>>> wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 5:01:59?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 13:48:50 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 4:43:57?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 13:37:30 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 4:01:46?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 12:49:26 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 2:45:31?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    3. Another fact that, all by itself, is virtually conclusive evidence
    proving the single-bullet theory is that the entrance wound in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Governor Connally’s back was not circular, but oval. Drs. Charles
    Gregory and Robert Shaw, who attended Connally at Parkland Hospital,
    described the wound as “linear” and “elliptical” in shape, indicating
    that the bullet was out of alignment with its trajectory just before
    striking Connally’s body. The HSCA said that a factor which >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> “significantly” influenced its conclusion that the bullet that struck
    Connally had first struck and passed through Kennedy “was the ovoid
    shape of the wound in the Governor’s back, indicating that the bullet
    had begun to tumble or yaw before entering. An ovoid wound is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> characteristic of one caused by a bullet that has passed through or
    glanced off an intervening object…The forensic pathology panel’s
    conclusions were consistent with the so-called single bullet theory
    advanced by the Warren Commission,” to wit, that one bullet had passed
    “through both President Kennedy and Governor Connally.” >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    My firearms expert at the London trial, Monty Lutz, told me that “no
    bullet traveling at 2,000 feet per second is going to start to tumble
    or yaw on its own until around 200 yards. When Connally was struck he
    was around 60 yards from the window, so the bullet had to have hit
    something before it hit him, and other than Kennedy’s body, there was
    nothing between the sixth-floor window and him. Not the oak tree, or
    its leaves. Nothing.”

    It has to be emphasized that at the time Connally was struck by a
    bullet (somewhere between Z frames 210 and 222),* the oak tree to the
    north of Elm close to the Depository Building was no longer in the
    line of fire from the sniper’s nest to Connally’s body. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    So Kennedy’s body was the only intervening object that the Connally
    bullet could have first hit. HSCA physical scientist Larry M. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sturdivan told the committee that the Carcano bullet was a “very
    stable bullet, perhaps one of the most stable bullets that we have
    ever done experimentation with.” He said that it would only start
    yawing—and then very little, “perhaps less than a degree”—at “about
    100 meters” (about 110 yards) and “if it had struck [Connally] without
    having previously encountered another object, it [Connally’s back
    wound] would never have been elongated. This bullet is too stable. It
    would have had to be a nice round hole.”

    Here's the quesition that Chickenshit will refuse to answer: What is
    the "virtually conclusive evidence" that Bugs was talking about?

    The shape of the wound.

    What was the shape of the wound?

    Oval...

    Getting closer...

    So according to Bugliosi,
    it was this "oval" shape that was "virtually
    conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

    You may give as long an answer as you want, as long as it's preceded
    by a definitive "yes," or "no."

    Quote Bugliosi's answer to support your response...
    Non-answers deleted.

    So, according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval"
    shape that was "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

    So, according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval" shape that was
    "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

    Non answer deleted. So, according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval"
    shape that was "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

    Non answer deleted. So, according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval"
    shape that was "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

    Non answer deleted. So, according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval"
    shape that was "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?


    Non answer deleted. So, according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval"
    shape that was "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

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  • From Bud@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Thu Aug 10 16:33:33 2023
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 7:11:20 PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 16:02:03 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 7:00:57?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 15:45:31 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 6:40:35?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 15:33:36 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 5:35:03?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote: >>>>>> On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 14:24:18 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net> >>>>>> wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 5:19:30?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote: >>>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 14:17:18 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net> >>>>>>>> wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 5:01:59?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 13:48:50 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 4:43:57?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 13:37:30 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 4:01:46?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 12:49:26 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 2:45:31?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    3. Another fact that, all by itself, is virtually conclusive evidence
    proving the single-bullet theory is that the entrance wound in
    Governor Connally’s back was not circular, but oval. Drs. Charles
    Gregory and Robert Shaw, who attended Connally at Parkland Hospital,
    described the wound as “linear” and “elliptical” in shape, indicating
    that the bullet was out of alignment with its trajectory just before
    striking Connally’s body. The HSCA said that a factor which
    “significantly” influenced its conclusion that the bullet that struck
    Connally had first struck and passed through Kennedy “was the ovoid
    shape of the wound in the Governor’s back, indicating that the bullet
    had begun to tumble or yaw before entering. An ovoid wound is
    characteristic of one caused by a bullet that has passed through or
    glanced off an intervening object…The forensic pathology panel’s
    conclusions were consistent with the so-called single bullet theory
    advanced by the Warren Commission,” to wit, that one bullet had passed
    “through both President Kennedy and Governor Connally.” >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    My firearms expert at the London trial, Monty Lutz, told me that “no
    bullet traveling at 2,000 feet per second is going to start to tumble
    or yaw on its own until around 200 yards. When Connally was struck he
    was around 60 yards from the window, so the bullet had to have hit
    something before it hit him, and other than Kennedy’s body, there was
    nothing between the sixth-floor window and him. Not the oak tree, or
    its leaves. Nothing.”

    It has to be emphasized that at the time Connally was struck by a
    bullet (somewhere between Z frames 210 and 222),* the oak tree to the
    north of Elm close to the Depository Building was no longer in the
    line of fire from the sniper’s nest to Connally’s body. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    So Kennedy’s body was the only intervening object that the Connally
    bullet could have first hit. HSCA physical scientist Larry M.
    Sturdivan told the committee that the Carcano bullet was a “very
    stable bullet, perhaps one of the most stable bullets that we have
    ever done experimentation with.” He said that it would only start
    yawing—and then very little, “perhaps less than a degree”—at “about
    100 meters” (about 110 yards) and “if it had struck [Connally] without
    having previously encountered another object, it [Connally’s back
    wound] would never have been elongated. This bullet is too stable. It
    would have had to be a nice round hole.”

    Like I expected, Bugliosi did go on to explain and flesh out the concept that Ben was selectively quoting.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 10 16:42:04 2023
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 16:33:33 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirslick@fast.net>
    wrote:

    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 7:11:20?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 16:02:03 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 7:00:57?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 15:45:31 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 6:40:35?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 15:33:36 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 5:35:03?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote: >>>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 14:24:18 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net> >>>>>>>> wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 5:19:30?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 14:17:18 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 5:01:59?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 13:48:50 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 4:43:57?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 13:37:30 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 4:01:46?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 12:49:26 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 2:45:31?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    3. Another fact that, all by itself, is virtually conclusive evidence
    proving the single-bullet theory is that the entrance wound in
    Governor Connally’s back was not circular, but oval. Drs. Charles
    Gregory and Robert Shaw, who attended Connally at Parkland Hospital,
    described the wound as “linear” and “elliptical” in shape, indicating
    that the bullet was out of alignment with its trajectory just before
    striking Connally’s body. The HSCA said that a factor which >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> “significantly” influenced its conclusion that the bullet that struck
    Connally had first struck and passed through Kennedy “was the ovoid
    shape of the wound in the Governor’s back, indicating that the bullet
    had begun to tumble or yaw before entering. An ovoid wound is
    characteristic of one caused by a bullet that has passed through or
    glanced off an intervening object…The forensic pathology panel’s
    conclusions were consistent with the so-called single bullet theory
    advanced by the Warren Commission,” to wit, that one bullet had passed
    “through both President Kennedy and Governor Connally.” >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    My firearms expert at the London trial, Monty Lutz, told me that “no
    bullet traveling at 2,000 feet per second is going to start to tumble
    or yaw on its own until around 200 yards. When Connally was struck he
    was around 60 yards from the window, so the bullet had to have hit
    something before it hit him, and other than Kennedy’s body, there was
    nothing between the sixth-floor window and him. Not the oak tree, or
    its leaves. Nothing.”

    It has to be emphasized that at the time Connally was struck by a
    bullet (somewhere between Z frames 210 and 222),* the oak tree to the
    north of Elm close to the Depository Building was no longer in the
    line of fire from the sniper’s nest to Connally’s body. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    So Kennedy’s body was the only intervening object that the Connally
    bullet could have first hit. HSCA physical scientist Larry M.
    Sturdivan told the committee that the Carcano bullet was a “very
    stable bullet, perhaps one of the most stable bullets that we have
    ever done experimentation with.” He said that it would only start
    yawing—and then very little, “perhaps less than a degree”—at “about
    100 meters” (about 110 yards) and “if it had struck [Connally] without
    having previously encountered another object, it [Connally’s back
    wound] would never have been elongated. This bullet is too stable. It
    would have had to be a nice round hole.”


    Non answer deleted. So, according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval"
    shape that was "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

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  • From Bud@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Thu Aug 10 18:06:08 2023
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 7:42:13 PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 16:33:33 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 7:11:20?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 16:02:03 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 7:00:57?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 15:45:31 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 6:40:35?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote: >>>>>> On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 15:33:36 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net> >>>>>> wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 5:35:03?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote: >>>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 14:24:18 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net> >>>>>>>> wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 5:19:30?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 14:17:18 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 5:01:59?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 13:48:50 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 4:43:57?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 13:37:30 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 4:01:46?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 12:49:26 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 2:45:31?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    3. Another fact that, all by itself, is virtually conclusive evidence
    proving the single-bullet theory is that the entrance wound in
    Governor Connally’s back was not circular, but oval.

    This is called the topic sentence. Buglisoi will them go on to explain how the oval nature of the wound supports the SBT.

    Drs. Charles
    Gregory and Robert Shaw, who attended Connally at Parkland Hospital,
    described the wound as “linear” and “elliptical” in shape, indicating
    that the bullet was out of alignment with its trajectory just before
    striking Connally’s body. The HSCA said that a factor which
    “significantly” influenced its conclusion that the bullet that struck
    Connally had first struck and passed through Kennedy “was the ovoid
    shape of the wound in the Governor’s back, indicating that the bullet
    had begun to tumble or yaw before entering. An ovoid wound is
    characteristic of one caused by a bullet that has passed through or
    glanced off an intervening object…The forensic pathology panel’s
    conclusions were consistent with the so-called single bullet theory
    advanced by the Warren Commission,” to wit, that one bullet had passed
    “through both President Kennedy and Governor Connally.”

    All true. The HSCA agreed with Buglisoi that the oval wound indicated the bullet had struck an intervening object.

    My firearms expert at the London trial, Monty Lutz, told me that “no
    bullet traveling at 2,000 feet per second is going to start to tumble
    or yaw on its own until around 200 yards. When Connally was struck he
    was around 60 yards from the window, so the bullet had to have hit
    something before it hit him, and other than Kennedy’s body, there was
    nothing between the sixth-floor window and him. Not the oak tree, or
    its leaves. Nothing.”

    It has to be emphasized that at the time Connally was struck by a
    bullet (somewhere between Z frames 210 and 222),* the oak tree to the
    north of Elm close to the Depository Building was no longer in the
    line of fire from the sniper’s nest to Connally’s body.

    So Kennedy’s body was the only intervening object that the Connally
    bullet could have first hit. HSCA physical scientist Larry M.
    Sturdivan told the committee that the Carcano bullet was a “very
    stable bullet, perhaps one of the most stable bullets that we have
    ever done experimentation with.” He said that it would only start
    yawing—and then very little, “perhaps less than a degree”—at “about
    100 meters” (about 110 yards) and “if it had struck [Connally] without
    having previously encountered another object, it [Connally’s back
    wound] would never have been elongated. This bullet is too stable. It
    would have had to be a nice round hole.”

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 11 08:10:40 2023
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 18:06:08 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirslick@fast.net>
    wrote:

    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 7:42:13?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 16:33:33 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 7:11:20?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 16:02:03 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 7:00:57?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 15:45:31 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 6:40:35?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote: >>>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 15:33:36 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net> >>>>>>>> wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 5:35:03?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 14:24:18 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 5:19:30?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 14:17:18 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 5:01:59?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 13:48:50 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 4:43:57?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 13:37:30 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 4:01:46?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 12:49:26 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 2:45:31?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    3. Another fact that, all by itself, is virtually conclusive evidence
    proving the single-bullet theory is that the entrance wound in
    Governor Connally’s back was not circular, but oval.

    This is called the topic sentence. Buglisoi will them go on to
    explain how the oval nature of the wound supports the SBT.


    So, according to Buglisoi (sic), it was this "oval" shape that
    was "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?



    Drs. Charles
    Gregory and Robert Shaw, who attended Connally at Parkland Hospital,
    described the wound as “linear” and “elliptical” in shape, indicating
    that the bullet was out of alignment with its trajectory just before
    striking Connally’s body. The HSCA said that a factor which
    “significantly” influenced its conclusion that the bullet that struck
    Connally had first struck and passed through Kennedy “was the ovoid
    shape of the wound in the Governor’s back, indicating that the bullet
    had begun to tumble or yaw before entering. An ovoid wound is
    characteristic of one caused by a bullet that has passed through or
    glanced off an intervening object…The forensic pathology panel’s
    conclusions were consistent with the so-called single bullet theory
    advanced by the Warren Commission,” to wit, that one bullet had passed
    “through both President Kennedy and Governor Connally.”

    All true. The HSCA...


    Has nothing to do with this topic.

    So, according to Bugliosi (Not the HSCA), it was this "oval" shape
    that was "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?


    My firearms expert at the London trial, Monty Lutz, told me that “no
    bullet traveling at 2,000 feet per second is going to start to tumble
    or yaw on its own until around 200 yards. When Connally was struck he
    was around 60 yards from the window, so the bullet had to have hit
    something before it hit him, and other than Kennedy’s body, there was
    nothing between the sixth-floor window and him. Not the oak tree, or
    its leaves. Nothing.”

    It has to be emphasized that at the time Connally was struck by a
    bullet (somewhere between Z frames 210 and 222),* the oak tree to the
    north of Elm close to the Depository Building was no longer in the
    line of fire from the sniper’s nest to Connally’s body. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    So Kennedy’s body was the only intervening object that the Connally
    bullet could have first hit. HSCA physical scientist Larry M.
    Sturdivan told the committee that the Carcano bullet was a “very
    stable bullet, perhaps one of the most stable bullets that we have
    ever done experimentation with.” He said that it would only start
    yawing—and then very little, “perhaps less than a degree”—at “about
    100 meters” (about 110 yards) and “if it had struck [Connally] without
    having previously encountered another object, it [Connally’s back
    wound] would never have been elongated. This bullet is too stable. It
    would have had to be a nice round hole.”

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Bud@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Fri Aug 11 10:32:36 2023
    On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 11:10:48 AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 18:06:08 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 7:42:13?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 16:33:33 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 7:11:20?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 16:02:03 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 7:00:57?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote: >>>>>> On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 15:45:31 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net> >>>>>> wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 6:40:35?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote: >>>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 15:33:36 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net> >>>>>>>> wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 5:35:03?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 14:24:18 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 5:19:30?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 14:17:18 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 5:01:59?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 13:48:50 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 4:43:57?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 13:37:30 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 4:01:46?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 12:49:26 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 2:45:31?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    3. Another fact that, all by itself, is virtually conclusive evidence
    proving the single-bullet theory is that the entrance wound in
    Governor Connally’s back was not circular, but oval.

    This is called the topic sentence. Buglisoi will them go on to
    explain how the oval nature of the wound supports the SBT.
    So, according to Buglisoi (sic), it was this "oval" shape that
    was "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

    Did Bugliosi proceed to support the idea that all oval wounds are caused by bullets that struck something else first?

    No, because that was not the idea he was advancing.

    Drs. Charles
    Gregory and Robert Shaw, who attended Connally at Parkland Hospital,
    described the wound as “linear” and “elliptical” in shape, indicating
    that the bullet was out of alignment with its trajectory just before
    striking Connally’s body. The HSCA said that a factor which
    “significantly” influenced its conclusion that the bullet that struck
    Connally had first struck and passed through Kennedy “was the ovoid
    shape of the wound in the Governor’s back, indicating that the bullet
    had begun to tumble or yaw before entering. An ovoid wound is
    characteristic of one caused by a bullet that has passed through or
    glanced off an intervening object…The forensic pathology panel’s
    conclusions were consistent with the so-called single bullet theory
    advanced by the Warren Commission,” to wit, that one bullet had passed
    “through both President Kennedy and Governor Connally.”

    All true. The HSCA...


    Has nothing to do with this topic.

    If you look at things incorrectly.

    So, according to Bugliosi (Not the HSCA),

    Why lie, the HSCA did also.

    it was this "oval" shape
    that was "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

    Also the HSCA.

    My firearms expert at the London trial, Monty Lutz, told me that “no
    bullet traveling at 2,000 feet per second is going to start to tumble
    or yaw on its own until around 200 yards. When Connally was struck he
    was around 60 yards from the window, so the bullet had to have hit
    something before it hit him, and other than Kennedy’s body, there was
    nothing between the sixth-floor window and him. Not the oak tree, or
    its leaves. Nothing.”

    It has to be emphasized that at the time Connally was struck by a
    bullet (somewhere between Z frames 210 and 222),* the oak tree to the
    north of Elm close to the Depository Building was no longer in the
    line of fire from the sniper’s nest to Connally’s body.

    So Kennedy’s body was the only intervening object that the Connally
    bullet could have first hit. HSCA physical scientist Larry M.
    Sturdivan told the committee that the Carcano bullet was a “very
    stable bullet, perhaps one of the most stable bullets that we have
    ever done experimentation with.” He said that it would only start
    yawing—and then very little, “perhaps less than a degree”—at “about
    100 meters” (about 110 yards) and “if it had struck [Connally] without
    having previously encountered another object, it [Connally’s back
    wound] would never have been elongated. This bullet is too stable. It
    would have had to be a nice round hole.”

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 11 11:20:19 2023
    On Fri, 11 Aug 2023 10:32:36 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirslick@fast.net>
    wrote:

    On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 11:10:48?AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 18:06:08 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 7:42:13?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 16:33:33 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 7:11:20?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 16:02:03 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 7:00:57?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote: >>>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 15:45:31 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net> >>>>>>>> wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 6:40:35?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 15:33:36 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 5:35:03?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 14:24:18 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 5:19:30?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 14:17:18 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 5:01:59?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 13:48:50 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 4:43:57?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 13:37:30 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 4:01:46?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 12:49:26 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 2:45:31?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    3. Another fact that, all by itself, is virtually conclusive evidence
    proving the single-bullet theory is that the entrance wound in
    Governor Connally’s back was not circular, but oval.

    This is called the topic sentence. Buglisoi will them go on to
    explain how the oval nature of the wound supports the SBT.
    So, according to Buglisoi (sic), it was this "oval" shape that
    was "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

    Did Bugliosi...


    Nothing Bugliosi did or said could prevent your cowardice.

    The question still remains unanswered: So, according to Buglisoi
    (sic), it was this "oval" shape that was "virtually conclusive
    evidence" of an SBT?


    Drs. Charles
    Gregory and Robert Shaw, who attended Connally at Parkland Hospital,
    described the wound as “linear” and “elliptical” in shape, indicating
    that the bullet was out of alignment with its trajectory just before
    striking Connally’s body. The HSCA said that a factor which
    “significantly” influenced its conclusion that the bullet that struck
    Connally had first struck and passed through Kennedy “was the ovoid
    shape of the wound in the Governor’s back, indicating that the bullet
    had begun to tumble or yaw before entering. An ovoid wound is
    characteristic of one caused by a bullet that has passed through or
    glanced off an intervening object…The forensic pathology panel’s
    conclusions were consistent with the so-called single bullet theory
    advanced by the Warren Commission,” to wit, that one bullet had passed
    “through both President Kennedy and Governor Connally.” >>>
    All true. The HSCA...

    Has nothing to do with this topic.

    So, according to Bugliosi (Not the HSCA), it was this "oval" shape
    that was "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?


    Still no answer from the proven coward.


    My firearms expert at the London trial, Monty Lutz, told me that “no
    bullet traveling at 2,000 feet per second is going to start to tumble
    or yaw on its own until around 200 yards. When Connally was struck he
    was around 60 yards from the window, so the bullet had to have hit
    something before it hit him, and other than Kennedy’s body, there was
    nothing between the sixth-floor window and him. Not the oak tree, or
    its leaves. Nothing.”

    It has to be emphasized that at the time Connally was struck by a
    bullet (somewhere between Z frames 210 and 222),* the oak tree to the
    north of Elm close to the Depository Building was no longer in the
    line of fire from the sniper’s nest to Connally’s body. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    So Kennedy’s body was the only intervening object that the Connally
    bullet could have first hit. HSCA physical scientist Larry M.
    Sturdivan told the committee that the Carcano bullet was a “very
    stable bullet, perhaps one of the most stable bullets that we have
    ever done experimentation with.” He said that it would only start
    yawing—and then very little, “perhaps less than a degree”—at “about
    100 meters” (about 110 yards) and “if it had struck [Connally] without
    having previously encountered another object, it [Connally’s back
    wound] would never have been elongated. This bullet is too stable. It
    would have had to be a nice round hole.”

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Bud@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Fri Aug 11 12:10:16 2023
    On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 2:20:27 PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Fri, 11 Aug 2023 10:32:36 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 11:10:48?AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 18:06:08 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 7:42:13?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 16:33:33 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 7:11:20?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote: >>>>>> On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 16:02:03 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net> >>>>>> wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 7:00:57?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote: >>>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 15:45:31 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net> >>>>>>>> wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 6:40:35?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 15:33:36 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 5:35:03?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 14:24:18 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 5:19:30?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 14:17:18 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 5:01:59?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 13:48:50 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 4:43:57?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 13:37:30 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 4:01:46?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 12:49:26 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 2:45:31?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    3. Another fact that, all by itself, is virtually conclusive evidence
    proving the single-bullet theory is that the entrance wound in
    Governor Connally’s back was not circular, but oval.

    This is called the topic sentence. Buglisoi will them go on to
    explain how the oval nature of the wound supports the SBT.
    So, according to Buglisoi (sic), it was this "oval" shape that
    was "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

    Did Bugliosi...


    Nothing Bugliosi did...

    Can stop you from being a coward.

    Drs. Charles
    Gregory and Robert Shaw, who attended Connally at Parkland Hospital,
    described the wound as “linear” and “elliptical” in shape, indicating
    that the bullet was out of alignment with its trajectory just before
    striking Connally’s body. The HSCA said that a factor which
    “significantly” influenced its conclusion that the bullet that struck
    Connally had first struck and passed through Kennedy “was the ovoid
    shape of the wound in the Governor’s back, indicating that the bullet
    had begun to tumble or yaw before entering. An ovoid wound is
    characteristic of one caused by a bullet that has passed through or
    glanced off an intervening object…The forensic pathology panel’s
    conclusions were consistent with the so-called single bullet theory
    advanced by the Warren Commission,” to wit, that one bullet had passed
    “through both President Kennedy and Governor Connally.”

    All true. The HSCA...

    Has nothing to do with this topic.

    So, according to Bugliosi (Not the HSCA), it was this "oval" shape
    that was "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?
    Still no...

    Addressing of the points I made by this coward.

    My firearms expert at the London trial, Monty Lutz, told me that “no
    bullet traveling at 2,000 feet per second is going to start to tumble
    or yaw on its own until around 200 yards. When Connally was struck he
    was around 60 yards from the window, so the bullet had to have hit
    something before it hit him, and other than Kennedy’s body, there was
    nothing between the sixth-floor window and him. Not the oak tree, or
    its leaves. Nothing.”

    It has to be emphasized that at the time Connally was struck by a
    bullet (somewhere between Z frames 210 and 222),* the oak tree to the
    north of Elm close to the Depository Building was no longer in the
    line of fire from the sniper’s nest to Connally’s body.

    So Kennedy’s body was the only intervening object that the Connally
    bullet could have first hit. HSCA physical scientist Larry M.
    Sturdivan told the committee that the Carcano bullet was a “very
    stable bullet, perhaps one of the most stable bullets that we have
    ever done experimentation with.” He said that it would only start
    yawing—and then very little, “perhaps less than a degree”—at “about
    100 meters” (about 110 yards) and “if it had struck [Connally] without
    having previously encountered another object, it [Connally’s back
    wound] would never have been elongated. This bullet is too stable. It
    would have had to be a nice round hole.”

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 11 12:21:18 2023
    On Fri, 11 Aug 2023 12:10:16 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirslick@fast.net>
    wrote:

    On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 2:20:27?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Fri, 11 Aug 2023 10:32:36 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 11:10:48?AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 18:06:08 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 7:42:13?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 16:33:33 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 7:11:20?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote: >>>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 16:02:03 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net> >>>>>>>> wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 7:00:57?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 15:45:31 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 6:40:35?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 15:33:36 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 5:35:03?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 14:24:18 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 5:19:30?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 14:17:18 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 5:01:59?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 13:48:50 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 4:43:57?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 13:37:30 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 4:01:46?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 12:49:26 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 2:45:31?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    3. Another fact that, all by itself, is virtually conclusive evidence
    proving the single-bullet theory is that the entrance wound in
    Governor Connally’s back was not circular, but oval. >>>>>
    This is called the topic sentence. Buglisoi will them go on to
    explain how the oval nature of the wound supports the SBT.

    So, according to Buglisoi (sic), it was this "oval" shape that
    was "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?


    So, according to Bugliosi (Not the HSCA), it was this "oval" shape
    that was "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?


    Drs. Charles
    Gregory and Robert Shaw, who attended Connally at Parkland Hospital,
    described the wound as “linear” and “elliptical” in shape, indicating
    that the bullet was out of alignment with its trajectory just before
    striking Connally’s body. The HSCA said that a factor which
    “significantly” influenced its conclusion that the bullet that struck
    Connally had first struck and passed through Kennedy “was the ovoid
    shape of the wound in the Governor’s back, indicating that the bullet
    had begun to tumble or yaw before entering. An ovoid wound is
    characteristic of one caused by a bullet that has passed through or
    glanced off an intervening object…The forensic pathology panel’s
    conclusions were consistent with the so-called single bullet theory
    advanced by the Warren Commission,” to wit, that one bullet had passed
    “through both President Kennedy and Governor Connally.”

    All true. The HSCA...

    Has nothing to do with this topic.

    So, according to Bugliosi (Not the HSCA), it was this "oval" shape
    that was "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?


    So, according to Bugliosi (Not the HSCA), it was this "oval" shape
    that was "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?


    My firearms expert at the London trial, Monty Lutz, told me that “no
    bullet traveling at 2,000 feet per second is going to start to tumble
    or yaw on its own until around 200 yards. When Connally was struck he
    was around 60 yards from the window, so the bullet had to have hit
    something before it hit him, and other than Kennedy’s body, there was
    nothing between the sixth-floor window and him. Not the oak tree, or
    its leaves. Nothing.”

    It has to be emphasized that at the time Connally was struck by a
    bullet (somewhere between Z frames 210 and 222),* the oak tree to the
    north of Elm close to the Depository Building was no longer in the
    line of fire from the sniper’s nest to Connally’s body.

    So Kennedy’s body was the only intervening object that the Connally
    bullet could have first hit. HSCA physical scientist Larry M.
    Sturdivan told the committee that the Carcano bullet was a “very
    stable bullet, perhaps one of the most stable bullets that we have
    ever done experimentation with.” He said that it would only start
    yawing—and then very little, “perhaps less than a degree”—at “about
    100 meters” (about 110 yards) and “if it had struck [Connally] without
    having previously encountered another object, it [Connally’s back
    wound] would never have been elongated. This bullet is too stable. It
    would have had to be a nice round hole.”

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Bud@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Fri Aug 11 12:23:22 2023
    On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 3:21:23 PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Fri, 11 Aug 2023 12:10:16 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 2:20:27?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Fri, 11 Aug 2023 10:32:36 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 11:10:48?AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 18:06:08 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 7:42:13?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote: >>>>>> On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 16:33:33 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net> >>>>>> wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 7:11:20?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote: >>>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 16:02:03 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net> >>>>>>>> wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 7:00:57?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 15:45:31 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 6:40:35?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 15:33:36 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 5:35:03?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 14:24:18 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 5:19:30?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 14:17:18 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 5:01:59?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 13:48:50 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 4:43:57?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 13:37:30 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 4:01:46?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 12:49:26 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 2:45:31?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    3. Another fact that, all by itself, is virtually conclusive evidence
    proving the single-bullet theory is that the entrance wound in
    Governor Connally’s back was not circular, but oval.

    This is called the topic sentence. Buglisoi will them go on to
    explain how the oval nature of the wound supports the SBT.

    So, according to Buglisoi (sic), it was this "oval" shape that
    was "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?
    So, according to Bugliosi (Not the HSCA), it was this "oval" shape
    that was "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?


    Drs. Charles
    Gregory and Robert Shaw, who attended Connally at Parkland Hospital,
    described the wound as “linear” and “elliptical” in shape, indicating
    that the bullet was out of alignment with its trajectory just before
    striking Connally’s body. The HSCA said that a factor which
    “significantly” influenced its conclusion that the bullet that struck
    Connally had first struck and passed through Kennedy “was the ovoid
    shape of the wound in the Governor’s back, indicating that the bullet
    had begun to tumble or yaw before entering. An ovoid wound is
    characteristic of one caused by a bullet that has passed through or
    glanced off an intervening object…The forensic pathology panel’s
    conclusions were consistent with the so-called single bullet theory
    advanced by the Warren Commission,” to wit, that one bullet had passed
    “through both President Kennedy and Governor Connally.”

    All true. The HSCA...

    Has nothing to do with this topic.

    So, according to Bugliosi (Not the HSCA), it was this "oval" shape
    that was "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?


    So, according to Bugliosi (Not the HSCA), it was this "oval" shape
    that was "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

    Read the entire passage for the answer.

    My firearms expert at the London trial, Monty Lutz, told me that “no
    bullet traveling at 2,000 feet per second is going to start to tumble
    or yaw on its own until around 200 yards. When Connally was struck he
    was around 60 yards from the window, so the bullet had to have hit
    something before it hit him, and other than Kennedy’s body, there was
    nothing between the sixth-floor window and him. Not the oak tree, or
    its leaves. Nothing.”

    It has to be emphasized that at the time Connally was struck by a
    bullet (somewhere between Z frames 210 and 222),* the oak tree to the
    north of Elm close to the Depository Building was no longer in the
    line of fire from the sniper’s nest to Connally’s body.

    So Kennedy’s body was the only intervening object that the Connally
    bullet could have first hit. HSCA physical scientist Larry M.
    Sturdivan told the committee that the Carcano bullet was a “very
    stable bullet, perhaps one of the most stable bullets that we have
    ever done experimentation with.” He said that it would only start
    yawing—and then very little, “perhaps less than a degree”—at “about
    100 meters” (about 110 yards) and “if it had struck [Connally] without
    having previously encountered another object, it [Connally’s back
    wound] would never have been elongated. This bullet is too stable. It
    would have had to be a nice round hole.”

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 11 12:27:52 2023
    On Fri, 11 Aug 2023 12:23:22 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirslick@fast.net>
    wrote:

    On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 3:21:23?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Fri, 11 Aug 2023 12:10:16 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 2:20:27?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Fri, 11 Aug 2023 10:32:36 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 11:10:48?AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 18:06:08 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 7:42:13?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote: >>>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 16:33:33 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net> >>>>>>>> wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 7:11:20?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 16:02:03 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 7:00:57?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 15:45:31 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 6:40:35?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 15:33:36 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 5:35:03?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 14:24:18 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 5:19:30?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 14:17:18 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 5:01:59?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 13:48:50 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 4:43:57?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 13:37:30 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 4:01:46?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 12:49:26 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 2:45:31?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    3. Another fact that, all by itself, is virtually conclusive evidence
    proving the single-bullet theory is that the entrance wound in
    Governor Connally’s back was not circular, but oval. >>>>>>>
    This is called the topic sentence. Buglisoi will them go on to
    explain how the oval nature of the wound supports the SBT.

    So, according to Buglisoi (sic), it was this "oval" shape that
    was "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

    So, according to Bugliosi (Not the HSCA), it was this "oval" shape
    that was "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?


    Drs. Charles
    Gregory and Robert Shaw, who attended Connally at Parkland Hospital,
    described the wound as “linear” and “elliptical” in shape, indicating
    that the bullet was out of alignment with its trajectory just before
    striking Connally’s body. The HSCA said that a factor which
    “significantly” influenced its conclusion that the bullet that struck
    Connally had first struck and passed through Kennedy “was the ovoid
    shape of the wound in the Governor’s back, indicating that the bullet
    had begun to tumble or yaw before entering. An ovoid wound is
    characteristic of one caused by a bullet that has passed through or
    glanced off an intervening object…The forensic pathology panel’s
    conclusions were consistent with the so-called single bullet theory
    advanced by the Warren Commission,” to wit, that one bullet had passed
    “through both President Kennedy and Governor Connally.”

    All true. The HSCA...

    Has nothing to do with this topic.

    So, according to Bugliosi (Not the HSCA), it was this "oval" shape >>>>>> that was "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?


    So, according to Bugliosi (Not the HSCA), it was this "oval" shape
    that was "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?


    So, according to Bugliosi (Not the HSCA), it was this "oval" shape
    that was "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?


    My firearms expert at the London trial, Monty Lutz, told me that “no
    bullet traveling at 2,000 feet per second is going to start to tumble
    or yaw on its own until around 200 yards. When Connally was struck he
    was around 60 yards from the window, so the bullet had to have hit
    something before it hit him, and other than Kennedy’s body, there was
    nothing between the sixth-floor window and him. Not the oak tree, or
    its leaves. Nothing.”

    It has to be emphasized that at the time Connally was struck by a
    bullet (somewhere between Z frames 210 and 222),* the oak tree to the
    north of Elm close to the Depository Building was no longer in the
    line of fire from the sniper’s nest to Connally’s body.

    So Kennedy’s body was the only intervening object that the Connally
    bullet could have first hit. HSCA physical scientist Larry M.
    Sturdivan told the committee that the Carcano bullet was a “very
    stable bullet, perhaps one of the most stable bullets that we have
    ever done experimentation with.” He said that it would only start
    yawing—and then very little, “perhaps less than a degree”—at “about
    100 meters” (about 110 yards) and “if it had struck [Connally] without
    having previously encountered another object, it [Connally’s back
    wound] would never have been elongated. This bullet is too stable. It
    would have had to be a nice round hole.”

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Bud@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Fri Aug 11 12:31:08 2023
    On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 3:27:59 PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Fri, 11 Aug 2023 12:23:22 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 3:21:23?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Fri, 11 Aug 2023 12:10:16 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 2:20:27?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Fri, 11 Aug 2023 10:32:36 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 11:10:48?AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote: >>>>>> On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 18:06:08 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net> >>>>>> wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 7:42:13?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote: >>>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 16:33:33 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net> >>>>>>>> wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 7:11:20?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 16:02:03 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 7:00:57?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 15:45:31 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 6:40:35?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 15:33:36 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 5:35:03?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 14:24:18 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 5:19:30?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 14:17:18 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 5:01:59?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 13:48:50 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 4:43:57?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 13:37:30 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 4:01:46?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 12:49:26 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 2:45:31?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    3. Another fact that, all by itself, is virtually conclusive evidence
    proving the single-bullet theory is that the entrance wound in
    Governor Connally’s back was not circular, but oval.

    This is called the topic sentence. Buglisoi will them go on to >>>>>>> explain how the oval nature of the wound supports the SBT.

    So, according to Buglisoi (sic), it was this "oval" shape that
    was "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

    So, according to Bugliosi (Not the HSCA), it was this "oval" shape
    that was "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?


    Drs. Charles
    Gregory and Robert Shaw, who attended Connally at Parkland Hospital,
    described the wound as “linear” and “elliptical” in shape, indicating
    that the bullet was out of alignment with its trajectory just before
    striking Connally’s body. The HSCA said that a factor which
    “significantly” influenced its conclusion that the bullet that struck
    Connally had first struck and passed through Kennedy “was the ovoid
    shape of the wound in the Governor’s back, indicating that the bullet
    had begun to tumble or yaw before entering. An ovoid wound is
    characteristic of one caused by a bullet that has passed through or
    glanced off an intervening object…The forensic pathology panel’s
    conclusions were consistent with the so-called single bullet theory
    advanced by the Warren Commission,” to wit, that one bullet had passed
    “through both President Kennedy and Governor Connally.”

    All true. The HSCA...

    Has nothing to do with this topic.

    So, according to Bugliosi (Not the HSCA), it was this "oval" shape >>>>>> that was "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?


    So, according to Bugliosi (Not the HSCA), it was this "oval" shape
    that was "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?


    My firearms expert at the London trial, Monty Lutz, told me that “no
    bullet traveling at 2,000 feet per second is going to start to tumble
    or yaw on its own until around 200 yards. When Connally was struck he
    was around 60 yards from the window, so the bullet had to have hit
    something before it hit him, and other than Kennedy’s body, there was
    nothing between the sixth-floor window and him. Not the oak tree, or
    its leaves. Nothing.” >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    It has to be emphasized that at the time Connally was struck by a
    bullet (somewhere between Z frames 210 and 222),* the oak tree to the
    north of Elm close to the Depository Building was no longer in the
    line of fire from the sniper’s nest to Connally’s body.

    So Kennedy’s body was the only intervening object that the Connally
    bullet could have first hit. HSCA physical scientist Larry M.
    Sturdivan told the committee that the Carcano bullet was a “very
    stable bullet, perhaps one of the most stable bullets that we have
    ever done experimentation with.” He said that it would only start
    yawing—and then very little, “perhaps less than a degree”—at “about
    100 meters” (about 110 yards) and “if it had struck [Connally] without
    having previously encountered another object, it [Connally’s back
    wound] would never have been elongated. This bullet is too stable. It
    would have had to be a nice round hole.”

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 11 12:35:12 2023
    On Fri, 11 Aug 2023 12:31:08 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirslick@fast.net>
    wrote:

    So, according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval" shape that was
    "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Bud@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Fri Aug 11 12:37:21 2023
    On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 3:35:17 PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Fri, 11 Aug 2023 12:31:08 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:

    I wish Ben would be a man and ask me a question.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 11 13:45:33 2023
    On Fri, 11 Aug 2023 12:37:21 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirslick@fast.net>
    wrote:

    So, according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval" shape that was
    "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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