• Pat Speer HasLucid Moment Regarding Vickie Adams-Shelley-Lovelady!

    From Sky Throne 19efppp@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 10 00:32:16 2023
    Posted on the Ed Farm, and he obviously is right. Fuck this Barry Ernest turd!


    Adams was made to feel like an idiot for what she'd said about Lovelady and Shelley. So it's not exactly a surprise that she would much much later say she never said it. But she said it more than once, and Lovelady and Shelley both confirmed that she'd
    seen them, albeit indirectly.

    It should also be noted that the transcript to her testimony is in the archives, along with her hand-written notations. There was no attempt on her part to remove the testimony regarding seeing Lovelady and Shelley, quite obviously because she stood by
    her testimony.

    As far as the stenographer tapes...they were alll destroyed beck in 1964.

    FWIW, it's clear to me that if there was a deliberate attempt to change the record and make it look like Adams said something that could be used to suggest she didn't come down the stairs when she said she did, that Lovelady and Shelley's testimony would
    also have been changed. Well, their testimony suggests they did see her, but weren't sure where they saw her.

    As stated, you can tell what was going on by the questions never asked. Neither Lovelady nor Shelley were asked if they'd seen Baker and Truly approach the stairs. This was one of the most important questions they could have been asked. Baker said he saw
    two unidentified men standing at the back of the building. Shelley said Truly told him to guard the elevator. So why was no attempt made to figure out the identity of these men? Or just when Truly told Shelley to watch the elevator.

    I think we know. The fix was in. Ball/Belin decided to pin it on the Oswald, and to do what they needed to make out that some of Oswald's co-workers were idiots. Adams wasn't alone. Piper and Dougherty were also set up.
    Edited 1 hour ago by Pat Speer

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  • From Brian Doyle@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 10 06:25:10 2023
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 3:32:18 AM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:



    If Truly told Shelley to watch the elevators then they would have included that in Truly & Baker's testimonies...The idiots who are discussing this are not emphasizing the catch-22 of Oswald not being on the stairs if Adams arrived on the 1st Floor in
    time to see Lovelady & Shelley...She didn't and her and Styles' word is good enough, along with the missing stenographer's tape, to assume Adams got out before Lovelady & Shelley...It takes too long to cover the distance around the west side of the
    Depository for Lovelady & Shelley to have made it there in time to see Adams & Styles...None of the fools discussing this mention it in correct analysis context...


    It is obvious that Truly told Shelley to watch the elevator after Truly returned from the upstairs with Baker...The reason why Shelley was in the back in order to be told to watch the elevator is because he had just led Harvey from the front, where he
    was stopped by a cop, to the rear where Harvey exited and therefore Shelley was in the back of the Depository when Truly returned back downstairs...


    I can't post this on the Education Forum because of one ignorant asshole named James Gordon who has made it his personal mission to censor me from the JFK internet...Why Gordon has the power to personally destroy researchers at his own word is beyond me
    or who gave him that power...But, right now, the correct solution to Prayer Man is being directly kept off the Education Forum and a perfect clusterfuck of wrong evidence is being protected by Gordon...DiEugenio stays dishonestly silent because he knows
    Prayer Man is Sarah Stanton but he is not beyond tolerating the wrong evidence for personal political reasons...Jim is a real son of a bitch like Gordon...

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  • From Sky Throne 19efppp@21:1/5 to Brian Doyle on Thu Aug 10 06:31:00 2023
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 9:25:12 AM UTC-4, Brian Doyle wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 3:32:18 AM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:



    If Truly told Shelley to watch the elevators then they would have included that in Truly & Baker's testimonies...The idiots who are discussing this are not emphasizing the catch-22 of Oswald not being on the stairs if Adams arrived on the 1st Floor in
    time to see Lovelady & Shelley...She didn't and her and Styles' word is good enough, along with the missing stenographer's tape, to assume Adams got out before Lovelady & Shelley...It takes too long to cover the distance around the west side of the
    Depository for Lovelady & Shelley to have made it there in time to see Adams & Styles...None of the fools discussing this mention it in correct analysis context...


    It is obvious that Truly told Shelley to watch the elevator after Truly returned from the upstairs with Baker...The reason why Shelley was in the back in order to be told to watch the elevator is because he had just led Harvey from the front, where he
    was stopped by a cop, to the rear where Harvey exited and therefore Shelley was in the back of the Depository when Truly returned back downstairs...


    I can't post this on the Education Forum because of one ignorant asshole named James Gordon who has made it his personal mission to censor me from the JFK internet...Why Gordon has the power to personally destroy researchers at his own word is beyond
    me or who gave him that power...But, right now, the correct solution to Prayer Man is being directly kept off the Education Forum and a perfect clusterfuck of wrong evidence is being protected by Gordon...DiEugenio stays dishonestly silent because he
    knows Prayer Man is Sarah Stanton but he is not beyond tolerating the wrong evidence for personal political reasons...Jim is a real son of a bitch like Gordon...

    You're a shitty researcher.

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  • From Sky Throne 19efppp@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 11 09:13:58 2023
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 3:32:18 AM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    Posted on the Ed Farm, and he obviously is right. Fuck this Barry Ernest turd!


    Adams was made to feel like an idiot for what she'd said about Lovelady and Shelley. So it's not exactly a surprise that she would much much later say she never said it. But she said it more than once, and Lovelady and Shelley both confirmed that she'd
    seen them, albeit indirectly.

    It should also be noted that the transcript to her testimony is in the archives, along with her hand-written notations. There was no attempt on her part to remove the testimony regarding seeing Lovelady and Shelley, quite obviously because she stood by
    her testimony.

    As far as the stenographer tapes...they were alll destroyed beck in 1964.

    FWIW, it's clear to me that if there was a deliberate attempt to change the record and make it look like Adams said something that could be used to suggest she didn't come down the stairs when she said she did, that Lovelady and Shelley's testimony
    would also have been changed. Well, their testimony suggests they did see her, but weren't sure where they saw her.

    As stated, you can tell what was going on by the questions never asked. Neither Lovelady nor Shelley were asked if they'd seen Baker and Truly approach the stairs. This was one of the most important questions they could have been asked. Baker said he
    saw two unidentified men standing at the back of the building. Shelley said Truly told him to guard the elevator. So why was no attempt made to figure out the identity of these men? Or just when Truly told Shelley to watch the elevator.

    I think we know. The fix was in. Ball/Belin decided to pin it on the Oswald, and to do what they needed to make out that some of Oswald's co-workers were idiots. Adams wasn't alone. Piper and Dougherty were also set up.
    Edited 1 hour ago by Pat Speer

    To judge by his latest comment, Speer's moment of lucidity has now passed. But it was nice while it lasted!

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  • From Sky Throne 19efppp@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 11 16:44:43 2023
    On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 12:14:00 PM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 3:32:18 AM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    Posted on the Ed Farm, and he obviously is right. Fuck this Barry Ernest turd!


    Adams was made to feel like an idiot for what she'd said about Lovelady and Shelley. So it's not exactly a surprise that she would much much later say she never said it. But she said it more than once, and Lovelady and Shelley both confirmed that she'
    d seen them, albeit indirectly.

    It should also be noted that the transcript to her testimony is in the archives, along with her hand-written notations. There was no attempt on her part to remove the testimony regarding seeing Lovelady and Shelley, quite obviously because she stood
    by her testimony.

    As far as the stenographer tapes...they were alll destroyed beck in 1964.

    FWIW, it's clear to me that if there was a deliberate attempt to change the record and make it look like Adams said something that could be used to suggest she didn't come down the stairs when she said she did, that Lovelady and Shelley's testimony
    would also have been changed. Well, their testimony suggests they did see her, but weren't sure where they saw her.

    As stated, you can tell what was going on by the questions never asked. Neither Lovelady nor Shelley were asked if they'd seen Baker and Truly approach the stairs. This was one of the most important questions they could have been asked. Baker said he
    saw two unidentified men standing at the back of the building. Shelley said Truly told him to guard the elevator. So why was no attempt made to figure out the identity of these men? Or just when Truly told Shelley to watch the elevator.

    I think we know. The fix was in. Ball/Belin decided to pin it on the Oswald, and to do what they needed to make out that some of Oswald's co-workers were idiots. Adams wasn't alone. Piper and Dougherty were also set up.
    Edited 1 hour ago by Pat Speer
    To judge by his latest comment, Speer's moment of lucidity has now passed. But it was nice while it lasted!


    Pat Speer's brilliance once again comes through! And I thought that he was just a boring hack! Well, it was his web page where I first heard about James Underwood interviewing Eunice or Euins or Ewins or Ewunes or somebody.


    4-7-64. Warren Commission attorney Joseph Ball also fails to ask Lovelady if he saw Roy Truly and Officer Baker run up the back stairs.

    This omission is particularly egregious and suspicious in light of subsequent events. On 7-5-78, Billy Lovelady was interviewed by an HSCA investigator, accompanied by an HSCA photo analyst (Robert Groden). While the tapes of this interview were not
    transcribed, copies of the tapes were eventually acquired by researcher Richard Gilbride and placed on Youtube. Towards the end of Tape 1, Lovelady is asked "What did you see inside the building?" after he and Shelley returned to the building. He says he
    saw some co-workers, but does not name them. He is then asked to describe what the police did as they ran into the building. His response is blurred as the tape runs out. At the beginning of Tape 2, however, he repeats for posterity what he was
    describing as the tape ran out. He repeats: "One policeman (and) Mr. Truly had run up the steps...I guess they went up the steps when they couldn't get the freight elevator to go upstairs." Lovelady is then asked "What else did you see that went on at
    that time after the police came in?" He responds "At that time, after Mr. Truly and (the) officer ran up, there were more Secret Service and FBI, I guess it was, that came in."

    Well this suggests that Lovelady (and Shelley) were inside the building when Truly and Baker ran up the stairs.

    I did not know that. Imagine listening to those horrible HSCA tapes! I'll have to give that a try.


    What Speer hasn't got right yet is that Lovelady and Shelley did not leave the building at all shortly after the shooting, so they did not need to come back in quickly.

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  • From Brian Doyle@21:1/5 to All on Sat Aug 12 06:38:23 2023
    On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 7:44:45 PM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 12:14:00 PM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 3:32:18 AM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:



    Speer is either an idiot who is bind to good research or a government operative...


    He is on the Education Forum writing overly long posts that try to assert Adams & Styles saw Lovelady & Shelley on the 1st Floor...


    It never dawns on Pat's dull brow that they got to Shelley and Lovelady, and Shelley was CIA, and therefore their testimonies are lies designed to scuttle Adams & Styles witnessing...


    Both Speer and Stancak totally miss the fact that the main reason Lovelady & Shelley's testimonies were corrupted is because Shelley rescued Harvey at the Front Door and led him out the back...That is the main reason why there was never any timeline
    developed for Lovelady & Shelley's trip around the west side of the Depository...

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  • From Sky Throne 19efppp@21:1/5 to Brian Doyle on Sat Aug 12 09:19:36 2023
    On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 9:38:26 AM UTC-4, Brian Doyle wrote:
    On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 7:44:45 PM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 12:14:00 PM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 3:32:18 AM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    Speer is either an idiot who is bind to good research or a government operative...


    He is on the Education Forum writing overly long posts that try to assert Adams & Styles saw Lovelady & Shelley on the 1st Floor...


    It never dawns on Pat's dull brow that they got to Shelley and Lovelady, and Shelley was CIA, and therefore their testimonies are lies designed to scuttle Adams & Styles witnessing...


    Both Speer and Stancak totally miss the fact that the main reason Lovelady & Shelley's testimonies were corrupted is because Shelley rescued Harvey at the Front Door and led him out the back...That is the main reason why there was never any timeline
    developed for Lovelady & Shelley's trip around the west side of the Depository...

    Adams did see Shelley & Lovelady on the 1st floor, you shitty researcher.

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