Sgt. Hill's 6th-floor tale of the shells, part 3: In short, Hill lied

At about 1 o'clock, Captain Fritz put Det. Montgomery in charge of "protecting the part of the scene where the window was that the shooting took place". But the only "nest" items which Montgomery mentions are the "surrounding boxes" and the long brown
paper sack. Spent shells apparently not worth a mention. They are small, but pretty important. One begins to suspect: The shells were not there when the two detectives were. Maybe the latter weren't there at the right time? But they were: "Capt.
Fritz asked Lt. Day to take pictures of the hulls and the surrounding area. About 1:25pm someone called for Fritz [from the rifle find], and he left DET. L.D. MONTGOMERY AND MARVIN JOHNSON TO STAY WITH THE HULLS." (Sims & Boyd Report re the President's
Murder, pp2-3) This seems to be an emergency fantasy override of Montgomery and Johnson's respective reports.

According to Sims/Boyd, then, the principal task for Montgomery and Johnson was to "stay with the hulls". All the more surprising then that the latter two detectives made no mention at all of said hulls. Astonishing, in fact, if one buys Sims/Boyd--
Montgomery and Johnson seem to be in ignorance of their main task. But Sims/Boyd isn't buyable. How can Montgomery/Johnson stay with hulls which aren't there? : "the shot" : Johnson found nothing in or around the "nest", in the course of an hour and
a half, to counter his original mindset (re "the shot") coming into the building. When Montgomery and Johnson leave the building, that phrase, "the shot", still stands. At that, the two don't mention even *one* shell.

But even when the detectives see the light, almost comically belatedly, in their respective testimonies, the following year, and finally talk shells, Montgomery still hasn't been sufficiently debriefed, or at least cannot grasp that Day (as well as the
shells) was supposed to have been in the "nest", processing them--at the same time that Johnson was there, thank you, Sims & Boyd. (v7p97 [Montgomery] & v7pp100-102 [Johnson]). Some months too late to put the cat back in the bag. Even the Sims/Boyd "
stay with the hulls" was a little too late. Except for a bit of cover-up comedy. Stay with nothing, rather--oh, that's right, a paper sack... In fact, the Sims/Boyd attempt at a cover-up is more of a dead giveaway.

In the end, the shells were not there, on the 6th floor, for whatever reason--at least not between about 1 o'clock & 2:30pm--when Montgomery & Johnson were there. Had the shells been pocketed by Fritz, or were they originally found on a different floor?
Hill's lie does not answer that, but perhaps Sawyer's "third floor" does. Upshot: bad news for Sgt. Hill. He lied, about 1:10, re seeing the shells in the "protected" "nest"--over to his left, on the 6th floor--or perhaps was told to lie. He would
only have seen Det. Montgomery and a bunch of boxes and maybe a big bag over there. Wave to the detective, Sergeant.

Mudville--or Warrenville--in complete disarray.

dcw

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On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 5:00:25 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:

Sgt. Hill's 6th-floor tale of the shells, part 3: In short, Hill lied

At about 1 o'clock, Captain Fritz put Det. Montgomery in charge of "protecting the part of the scene where the window was that the shooting took place". But the only "nest" items which Montgomery mentions are the "surrounding boxes" and the long brown

paper sack. Spent shells apparently not worth a mention. They are small, but pretty important. One begins to suspect: The shells were not there when the two detectives were. Maybe the latter weren't there at the right time? But they were: "Capt. Fritz
asked Lt. Day to take pictures of the hulls and the surrounding area. About 1:25pm someone called for Fritz [from the rifle find], and he left DET. L.D. MONTGOMERY AND MARVIN JOHNSON TO STAY WITH THE HULLS." (Sims & Boyd Report re the President's Murder,
pp2-3) This seems to be an emergency fantasy override of Montgomery and Johnson's respective reports.

According to Sims/Boyd, then, the principal task for Montgomery and Johnson was to "stay with the hulls". All the more surprising then that the latter two detectives made no mention at all of said hulls. Astonishing, in fact, if one buys Sims/Boyd--

Montgomery and Johnson seem to be in ignorance of their main task. But Sims/Boyd isn't buyable. How can Montgomery/Johnson stay with hulls which aren't there? : "the shot" : Johnson found nothing in or around the "nest", in the course of an hour and a
half, to counter his original mindset (re "the shot") coming into the building. When Montgomery and Johnson leave the building, that phrase, "the shot", still stands. At that, the two don't mention even *one* shell.

But even when the detectives see the light, almost comically belatedly, in their respective testimonies, the following year, and finally talk shells, Montgomery still hasn't been sufficiently debriefed, or at least cannot grasp that Day (as well as the

shells) was supposed to have been in the "nest", processing them--at the same time that Johnson was there, thank you, Sims & Boyd. (v7p97 [Montgomery] & v7pp100-102 [Johnson]). Some months too late to put the cat back in the bag. Even the Sims/Boyd "stay
with the hulls" was a little too late. Except for a bit of cover-up comedy. Stay with nothing, rather--oh, that's right, a paper sack... In fact, the Sims/Boyd attempt at a cover-up is more of a dead giveaway.

In the end, the shells were not there, on the 6th floor, for whatever reason--at least not between about 1 o'clock & 2:30pm--when Montgomery & Johnson were there. Had the shells been pocketed by Fritz, or were they originally found on a different floor?

Hill's lie does not answer that, but perhaps Sawyer's "third floor" does. Upshot: bad news for Sgt. Hill. He lied, about 1:10, re seeing the shells in the "protected" "nest"--over to his left, on the 6th floor--or perhaps was told to lie. He would only
have seen Det. Montgomery and a bunch of boxes and maybe a big bag over there. Wave to the detective, Sergeant.

Mudville--or Warrenville--in complete disarray.

dcw

He yelled down about the finding of the shells on the sixth floor.

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On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 5:00:25 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:

Sgt. Hill's 6th-floor tale of the shells, part 3: In short, Hill lied

At about 1 o'clock, Captain Fritz put Det. Montgomery in charge of "protecting the part of the scene where the window was that the shooting took place". But the only "nest" items which Montgomery mentions are the "surrounding boxes" and the long brown

paper sack. Spent shells apparently not worth a mention. They are small, but pretty important. One begins to suspect: The shells were not there when the two detectives were. Maybe the latter weren't there at the right time? But they were: "Capt. Fritz
asked Lt. Day to take pictures of the hulls and the surrounding area. About 1:25pm someone called for Fritz [from the rifle find], and he left DET. L.D. MONTGOMERY AND MARVIN JOHNSON TO STAY WITH THE HULLS." (Sims & Boyd Report re the President's Murder,
pp2-3) This seems to be an emergency fantasy override of Montgomery and Johnson's respective reports.

According to Sims/Boyd, then, the principal task for Montgomery and Johnson was to "stay with the hulls". All the more surprising then that the latter two detectives made no mention at all of said hulls. Astonishing, in fact, if one buys Sims/Boyd--

Montgomery and Johnson seem to be in ignorance of their main task. But Sims/Boyd isn't buyable. How can Montgomery/Johnson stay with hulls which aren't there? : "the shot" : Johnson found nothing in or around the "nest", in the course of an hour and a
half, to counter his original mindset (re "the shot") coming into the building. When Montgomery and Johnson leave the building, that phrase, "the shot", still stands. At that, the two don't mention even *one* shell.

But even when the detectives see the light, almost comically belatedly, in their respective testimonies, the following year, and finally talk shells, Montgomery still hasn't been sufficiently debriefed, or at least cannot grasp that Day (as well as the

shells) was supposed to have been in the "nest", processing them--at the same time that Johnson was there, thank you, Sims & Boyd. (v7p97 [Montgomery] & v7pp100-102 [Johnson]). Some months too late to put the cat back in the bag. Even the Sims/Boyd "stay
with the hulls" was a little too late. Except for a bit of cover-up comedy. Stay with nothing, rather--oh, that's right, a paper sack... In fact, the Sims/Boyd attempt at a cover-up is more of a dead giveaway.

In the end, the shells were not there, on the 6th floor, for whatever reason--at least not between about 1 o'clock & 2:30pm--when Montgomery & Johnson were there. Had the shells been pocketed by Fritz, or were they originally found on a different floor?

Hill's lie does not answer that, but perhaps Sawyer's "third floor" does. Upshot: bad news for Sgt. Hill. He lied, about 1:10, re seeing the shells in the "protected" "nest"--over to his left, on the 6th floor--or perhaps was told to lie. He would only
have seen Det. Montgomery and a bunch of boxes and maybe a big bag over there. Wave to the detective, Sergeant.

Mudville--or Warrenville--in complete disarray.

In short? I'm trying to imagine what the long version would look like.

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On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 3:25:45 PM UTC-7, John Corbett wrote:

On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 5:00:25 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:

Sgt. Hill's 6th-floor tale of the shells, part 3: In short, Hill lied

At about 1 o'clock, Captain Fritz put Det. Montgomery in charge of "protecting the part of the scene where the window was that the shooting took place". But the only "nest" items which Montgomery mentions are the "surrounding boxes" and the long

brown paper sack. Spent shells apparently not worth a mention. They are small, but pretty important. One begins to suspect: The shells were not there when the two detectives were. Maybe the latter weren't there at the right time? But they were: "Capt.
Fritz asked Lt. Day to take pictures of the hulls and the surrounding area. About 1:25pm someone called for Fritz [from the rifle find], and he left DET. L.D. MONTGOMERY AND MARVIN JOHNSON TO STAY WITH THE HULLS." (Sims & Boyd Report re the President's
Murder, pp2-3) This seems to be an emergency fantasy override of Montgomery and Johnson's respective reports.

According to Sims/Boyd, then, the principal task for Montgomery and Johnson was to "stay with the hulls". All the more surprising then that the latter two detectives made no mention at all of said hulls. Astonishing, in fact, if one buys Sims/Boyd--

Montgomery and Johnson seem to be in ignorance of their main task. But Sims/Boyd isn't buyable. How can Montgomery/Johnson stay with hulls which aren't there? : "the shot" : Johnson found nothing in or around the "nest", in the course of an hour and a
half, to counter his original mindset (re "the shot") coming into the building. When Montgomery and Johnson leave the building, that phrase, "the shot", still stands. At that, the two don't mention even *one* shell.

But even when the detectives see the light, almost comically belatedly, in their respective testimonies, the following year, and finally talk shells, Montgomery still hasn't been sufficiently debriefed, or at least cannot grasp that Day (as well as

the shells) was supposed to have been in the "nest", processing them--at the same time that Johnson was there, thank you, Sims & Boyd. (v7p97 [Montgomery] & v7pp100-102 [Johnson]). Some months too late to put the cat back in the bag. Even the Sims/Boyd "
stay with the hulls" was a little too late. Except for a bit of cover-up comedy. Stay with nothing, rather--oh, that's right, a paper sack... In fact, the Sims/Boyd attempt at a cover-up is more of a dead giveaway.

In the end, the shells were not there, on the 6th floor, for whatever reason--at least not between about 1 o'clock & 2:30pm--when Montgomery & Johnson were there. Had the shells been pocketed by Fritz, or were they originally found on a different

floor? Hill's lie does not answer that, but perhaps Sawyer's "third floor" does. Upshot: bad news for Sgt. Hill. He lied, about 1:10, re seeing the shells in the "protected" "nest"--over to his left, on the 6th floor--or perhaps was told to lie. He would
only have seen Det. Montgomery and a bunch of boxes and maybe a big bag over there. Wave to the detective, Sergeant.

Mudville--or Warrenville--in complete disarray.

In short? I'm trying to imagine what the long version would look like.

Yes, please ignore what conflicts with your long-head beliefs. Hill lied. Get over it.

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On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 2:54:47 PM UTC-7, Bud wrote:

On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 5:00:25 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:

Sgt. Hill's 6th-floor tale of the shells, part 3: In short, Hill lied

At about 1 o'clock, Captain Fritz put Det. Montgomery in charge of "protecting the part of the scene where the window was that the shooting took place". But the only "nest" items which Montgomery mentions are the "surrounding boxes" and the long

brown paper sack. Spent shells apparently not worth a mention. They are small, but pretty important. One begins to suspect: The shells were not there when the two detectives were. Maybe the latter weren't there at the right time? But they were: "Capt.
Fritz asked Lt. Day to take pictures of the hulls and the surrounding area. About 1:25pm someone called for Fritz [from the rifle find], and he left DET. L.D. MONTGOMERY AND MARVIN JOHNSON TO STAY WITH THE HULLS." (Sims & Boyd Report re the President's
Murder, pp2-3) This seems to be an emergency fantasy override of Montgomery and Johnson's respective reports.

According to Sims/Boyd, then, the principal task for Montgomery and Johnson was to "stay with the hulls". All the more surprising then that the latter two detectives made no mention at all of said hulls. Astonishing, in fact, if one buys Sims/Boyd--

Montgomery and Johnson seem to be in ignorance of their main task. But Sims/Boyd isn't buyable. How can Montgomery/Johnson stay with hulls which aren't there? : "the shot" : Johnson found nothing in or around the "nest", in the course of an hour and a
half, to counter his original mindset (re "the shot") coming into the building. When Montgomery and Johnson leave the building, that phrase, "the shot", still stands. At that, the two don't mention even *one* shell.

But even when the detectives see the light, almost comically belatedly, in their respective testimonies, the following year, and finally talk shells, Montgomery still hasn't been sufficiently debriefed, or at least cannot grasp that Day (as well as

the shells) was supposed to have been in the "nest", processing them--at the same time that Johnson was there, thank you, Sims & Boyd. (v7p97 [Montgomery] & v7pp100-102 [Johnson]). Some months too late to put the cat back in the bag. Even the Sims/Boyd "
stay with the hulls" was a little too late. Except for a bit of cover-up comedy. Stay with nothing, rather--oh, that's right, a paper sack... In fact, the Sims/Boyd attempt at a cover-up is more of a dead giveaway.

In the end, the shells were not there, on the 6th floor, for whatever reason--at least not between about 1 o'clock & 2:30pm--when Montgomery & Johnson were there. Had the shells been pocketed by Fritz, or were they originally found on a different

floor? Hill's lie does not answer that, but perhaps Sawyer's "third floor" does. Upshot: bad news for Sgt. Hill. He lied, about 1:10, re seeing the shells in the "protected" "nest"--over to his left, on the 6th floor--or perhaps was told to lie. He would
only have seen Det. Montgomery and a bunch of boxes and maybe a big bag over there. Wave to the detective, Sergeant.

Mudville--or Warrenville--in complete disarray.

dcw

He yelled down about the finding of the shells on the sixth floor.

They weren't there yet. Get over it. Hill lied.

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On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 8:44:16 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:

On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 2:54:47 PM UTC-7, Bud wrote:

On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 5:00:25 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:

Sgt. Hill's 6th-floor tale of the shells, part 3: In short, Hill lied

At about 1 o'clock, Captain Fritz put Det. Montgomery in charge of "protecting the part of the scene where the window was that the shooting took place". But the only "nest" items which Montgomery mentions are the "surrounding boxes" and the long

brown paper sack. Spent shells apparently not worth a mention. They are small, but pretty important. One begins to suspect: The shells were not there when the two detectives were. Maybe the latter weren't there at the right time? But they were: "Capt.
Fritz asked Lt. Day to take pictures of the hulls and the surrounding area. About 1:25pm someone called for Fritz [from the rifle find], and he left DET. L.D. MONTGOMERY AND MARVIN JOHNSON TO STAY WITH THE HULLS." (Sims & Boyd Report re the President's
Murder, pp2-3) This seems to be an emergency fantasy override of Montgomery and Johnson's respective reports.

According to Sims/Boyd, then, the principal task for Montgomery and Johnson was to "stay with the hulls". All the more surprising then that the latter two detectives made no mention at all of said hulls. Astonishing, in fact, if one buys Sims/Boyd--

Montgomery and Johnson seem to be in ignorance of their main task. But Sims/Boyd isn't buyable. How can Montgomery/Johnson stay with hulls which aren't there? : "the shot" : Johnson found nothing in or around the "nest", in the course of an hour and a
half, to counter his original mindset (re "the shot") coming into the building. When Montgomery and Johnson leave the building, that phrase, "the shot", still stands. At that, the two don't mention even *one* shell.

But even when the detectives see the light, almost comically belatedly, in their respective testimonies, the following year, and finally talk shells, Montgomery still hasn't been sufficiently debriefed, or at least cannot grasp that Day (as well as

the shells) was supposed to have been in the "nest", processing them--at the same time that Johnson was there, thank you, Sims & Boyd. (v7p97 [Montgomery] & v7pp100-102 [Johnson]). Some months too late to put the cat back in the bag. Even the Sims/Boyd "
stay with the hulls" was a little too late. Except for a bit of cover-up comedy. Stay with nothing, rather--oh, that's right, a paper sack... In fact, the Sims/Boyd attempt at a cover-up is more of a dead giveaway.

In the end, the shells were not there, on the 6th floor, for whatever reason--at least not between about 1 o'clock & 2:30pm--when Montgomery & Johnson were there. Had the shells been pocketed by Fritz, or were they originally found on a different

floor? Hill's lie does not answer that, but perhaps Sawyer's "third floor" does. Upshot: bad news for Sgt. Hill. He lied, about 1:10, re seeing the shells in the "protected" "nest"--over to his left, on the 6th floor--or perhaps was told to lie. He would
only have seen Det. Montgomery and a bunch of boxes and maybe a big bag over there. Wave to the detective, Sergeant.

Mudville--or Warrenville--in complete disarray.

dcw

He yelled down about the finding of the shells on the sixth floor.

They weren't there yet.

He yelled down that they were.

Get over it. Hill lied.

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On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 5:47:36 PM UTC-7, Bud wrote:

On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 8:44:16 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:

On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 2:54:47 PM UTC-7, Bud wrote:

On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 5:00:25 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:

Sgt. Hill's 6th-floor tale of the shells, part 3: In short, Hill lied

At about 1 o'clock, Captain Fritz put Det. Montgomery in charge of "protecting the part of the scene where the window was that the shooting took place". But the only "nest" items which Montgomery mentions are the "surrounding boxes" and the long

brown paper sack. Spent shells apparently not worth a mention. They are small, but pretty important. One begins to suspect: The shells were not there when the two detectives were. Maybe the latter weren't there at the right time? But they were: "Capt.
Fritz asked Lt. Day to take pictures of the hulls and the surrounding area. About 1:25pm someone called for Fritz [from the rifle find], and he left DET. L.D. MONTGOMERY AND MARVIN JOHNSON TO STAY WITH THE HULLS." (Sims & Boyd Report re the President's
Murder, pp2-3) This seems to be an emergency fantasy override of Montgomery and Johnson's respective reports.

According to Sims/Boyd, then, the principal task for Montgomery and Johnson was to "stay with the hulls". All the more surprising then that the latter two detectives made no mention at all of said hulls. Astonishing, in fact, if one buys Sims/

Boyd--Montgomery and Johnson seem to be in ignorance of their main task. But Sims/Boyd isn't buyable. How can Montgomery/Johnson stay with hulls which aren't there? : "the shot" : Johnson found nothing in or around the "nest", in the course of an hour
and a half, to counter his original mindset (re "the shot") coming into the building. When Montgomery and Johnson leave the building, that phrase, "the shot", still stands. At that, the two don't mention even *one* shell.

But even when the detectives see the light, almost comically belatedly, in their respective testimonies, the following year, and finally talk shells, Montgomery still hasn't been sufficiently debriefed, or at least cannot grasp that Day (as well

as the shells) was supposed to have been in the "nest", processing them--at the same time that Johnson was there, thank you, Sims & Boyd. (v7p97 [Montgomery] & v7pp100-102 [Johnson]). Some months too late to put the cat back in the bag. Even the Sims/
Boyd "stay with the hulls" was a little too late. Except for a bit of cover-up comedy. Stay with nothing, rather--oh, that's right, a paper sack... In fact, the Sims/Boyd attempt at a cover-up is more of a dead giveaway.

In the end, the shells were not there, on the 6th floor, for whatever reason--at least not between about 1 o'clock & 2:30pm--when Montgomery & Johnson were there. Had the shells been pocketed by Fritz, or were they originally found on a different

floor? Hill's lie does not answer that, but perhaps Sawyer's "third floor" does. Upshot: bad news for Sgt. Hill. He lied, about 1:10, re seeing the shells in the "protected" "nest"--over to his left, on the 6th floor--or perhaps was told to lie. He would
only have seen Det. Montgomery and a bunch of boxes and maybe a big bag over there. Wave to the detective, Sergeant.

Mudville--or Warrenville--in complete disarray.

dcw

He yelled down about the finding of the shells on the sixth floor.

They weren't there yet.

He yelled down that they were.

Which, as I proved, was a lie.

dcw

Get over it. Hill lied.

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On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 12:20:05 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:

On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 5:47:36 PM UTC-7, Bud wrote:

On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 8:44:16 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:

On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 2:54:47 PM UTC-7, Bud wrote:

On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 5:00:25 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:

Sgt. Hill's 6th-floor tale of the shells, part 3: In short, Hill lied

At about 1 o'clock, Captain Fritz put Det. Montgomery in charge of "protecting the part of the scene where the window was that the shooting took place". But the only "nest" items which Montgomery mentions are the "surrounding boxes" and the

long brown paper sack. Spent shells apparently not worth a mention. They are small, but pretty important. One begins to suspect: The shells were not there when the two detectives were. Maybe the latter weren't there at the right time? But they were: "
Capt. Fritz asked Lt. Day to take pictures of the hulls and the surrounding area. About 1:25pm someone called for Fritz [from the rifle find], and he left DET. L.D. MONTGOMERY AND MARVIN JOHNSON TO STAY WITH THE HULLS." (Sims & Boyd Report re the
President's Murder, pp2-3) This seems to be an emergency fantasy override of Montgomery and Johnson's respective reports.

According to Sims/Boyd, then, the principal task for Montgomery and Johnson was to "stay with the hulls". All the more surprising then that the latter two detectives made no mention at all of said hulls. Astonishing, in fact, if one buys Sims/

Boyd--Montgomery and Johnson seem to be in ignorance of their main task. But Sims/Boyd isn't buyable. How can Montgomery/Johnson stay with hulls which aren't there? : "the shot" : Johnson found nothing in or around the "nest", in the course of an hour
and a half, to counter his original mindset (re "the shot") coming into the building. When Montgomery and Johnson leave the building, that phrase, "the shot", still stands. At that, the two don't mention even *one* shell.

But even when the detectives see the light, almost comically belatedly, in their respective testimonies, the following year, and finally talk shells, Montgomery still hasn't been sufficiently debriefed, or at least cannot grasp that Day (as

well as the shells) was supposed to have been in the "nest", processing them--at the same time that Johnson was there, thank you, Sims & Boyd. (v7p97 [Montgomery] & v7pp100-102 [Johnson]). Some months too late to put the cat back in the bag. Even the
Sims/Boyd "stay with the hulls" was a little too late. Except for a bit of cover-up comedy. Stay with nothing, rather--oh, that's right, a paper sack... In fact, the Sims/Boyd attempt at a cover-up is more of a dead giveaway.

In the end, the shells were not there, on the 6th floor, for whatever reason--at least not between about 1 o'clock & 2:30pm--when Montgomery & Johnson were there. Had the shells been pocketed by Fritz, or were they originally found on a

different floor? Hill's lie does not answer that, but perhaps Sawyer's "third floor" does. Upshot: bad news for Sgt. Hill. He lied, about 1:10, re seeing the shells in the "protected" "nest"--over to his left, on the 6th floor--or perhaps was told to lie.
He would only have seen Det. Montgomery and a bunch of boxes and maybe a big bag over there. Wave to the detective, Sergeant.

Mudville--or Warrenville--in complete disarray.

dcw

He yelled down about the finding of the shells on the sixth floor.

They weren't there yet.

He yelled down that they were.

Which, as I proved, was a lie.

Is that what you think you did?

dcw

Get over it. Hill lied.

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On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 10:06:49 AM UTC-7, Bud wrote:

On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 12:20:05 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:

On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 5:47:36 PM UTC-7, Bud wrote:

On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 8:44:16 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:

On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 2:54:47 PM UTC-7, Bud wrote:

On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 5:00:25 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:

Sgt. Hill's 6th-floor tale of the shells, part 3: In short, Hill lied

At about 1 o'clock, Captain Fritz put Det. Montgomery in charge of "protecting the part of the scene where the window was that the shooting took place". But the only "nest" items which Montgomery mentions are the "surrounding boxes" and the

long brown paper sack. Spent shells apparently not worth a mention. They are small, but pretty important. One begins to suspect: The shells were not there when the two detectives were. Maybe the latter weren't there at the right time? But they were: "
Capt. Fritz asked Lt. Day to take pictures of the hulls and the surrounding area. About 1:25pm someone called for Fritz [from the rifle find], and he left DET. L.D. MONTGOMERY AND MARVIN JOHNSON TO STAY WITH THE HULLS." (Sims & Boyd Report re the
President's Murder, pp2-3) This seems to be an emergency fantasy override of Montgomery and Johnson's respective reports.

According to Sims/Boyd, then, the principal task for Montgomery and Johnson was to "stay with the hulls". All the more surprising then that the latter two detectives made no mention at all of said hulls. Astonishing, in fact, if one buys Sims/

Boyd--Montgomery and Johnson seem to be in ignorance of their main task. But Sims/Boyd isn't buyable. How can Montgomery/Johnson stay with hulls which aren't there? : "the shot" : Johnson found nothing in or around the "nest", in the course of an hour
and a half, to counter his original mindset (re "the shot") coming into the building. When Montgomery and Johnson leave the building, that phrase, "the shot", still stands. At that, the two don't mention even *one* shell.

But even when the detectives see the light, almost comically belatedly, in their respective testimonies, the following year, and finally talk shells, Montgomery still hasn't been sufficiently debriefed, or at least cannot grasp that Day (as

well as the shells) was supposed to have been in the "nest", processing them--at the same time that Johnson was there, thank you, Sims & Boyd. (v7p97 [Montgomery] & v7pp100-102 [Johnson]). Some months too late to put the cat back in the bag. Even the
Sims/Boyd "stay with the hulls" was a little too late. Except for a bit of cover-up comedy. Stay with nothing, rather--oh, that's right, a paper sack... In fact, the Sims/Boyd attempt at a cover-up is more of a dead giveaway.

In the end, the shells were not there, on the 6th floor, for whatever reason--at least not between about 1 o'clock & 2:30pm--when Montgomery & Johnson were there. Had the shells been pocketed by Fritz, or were they originally found on a

different floor? Hill's lie does not answer that, but perhaps Sawyer's "third floor" does. Upshot: bad news for Sgt. Hill. He lied, about 1:10, re seeing the shells in the "protected" "nest"--over to his left, on the 6th floor--or perhaps was told to lie.
He would only have seen Det. Montgomery and a bunch of boxes and maybe a big bag over there. Wave to the detective, Sergeant.

Mudville--or Warrenville--in complete disarray.

dcw

He yelled down about the finding of the shells on the sixth floor.

They weren't there yet.

He yelled down that they were.

Which, as I proved, was a lie.

Is that what you think you did?

Actually, that's the less important thing I proved. The more important thing: Between 1 & 2:30, there were no shells in the "nest" on the 6th floor, for whatever reason. Johnson & Montgomery's original reports are the key--Bud & Lou's, er Boyd & Sims'
report seals the deal, acknowledging as it does that J&M were there on the 6th floor, then haplessly trying to inject shells into their shell-bereft scene!

dcw

dcw

Get over it. Hill lied.

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On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 5:02:57 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:

On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 10:06:49 AM UTC-7, Bud wrote:

On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 12:20:05 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:

On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 5:47:36 PM UTC-7, Bud wrote:

On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 8:44:16 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:

On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 2:54:47 PM UTC-7, Bud wrote:

On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 5:00:25 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:

Sgt. Hill's 6th-floor tale of the shells, part 3: In short, Hill lied

At about 1 o'clock, Captain Fritz put Det. Montgomery in charge of "protecting the part of the scene where the window was that the shooting took place". But the only "nest" items which Montgomery mentions are the "surrounding boxes" and the

long brown paper sack. Spent shells apparently not worth a mention. They are small, but pretty important. One begins to suspect: The shells were not there when the two detectives were. Maybe the latter weren't there at the right time? But they were: "
Capt. Fritz asked Lt. Day to take pictures of the hulls and the surrounding area. About 1:25pm someone called for Fritz [from the rifle find], and he left DET. L.D. MONTGOMERY AND MARVIN JOHNSON TO STAY WITH THE HULLS." (Sims & Boyd Report re the
President's Murder, pp2-3) This seems to be an emergency fantasy override of Montgomery and Johnson's respective reports.

According to Sims/Boyd, then, the principal task for Montgomery and Johnson was to "stay with the hulls". All the more surprising then that the latter two detectives made no mention at all of said hulls. Astonishing, in fact, if one buys

Sims/Boyd--Montgomery and Johnson seem to be in ignorance of their main task. But Sims/Boyd isn't buyable. How can Montgomery/Johnson stay with hulls which aren't there? : "the shot" : Johnson found nothing in or around the "nest", in the course of an
hour and a half, to counter his original mindset (re "the shot") coming into the building. When Montgomery and Johnson leave the building, that phrase, "the shot", still stands. At that, the two don't mention even *one* shell.

But even when the detectives see the light, almost comically belatedly, in their respective testimonies, the following year, and finally talk shells, Montgomery still hasn't been sufficiently debriefed, or at least cannot grasp that Day (as

well as the shells) was supposed to have been in the "nest", processing them--at the same time that Johnson was there, thank you, Sims & Boyd. (v7p97 [Montgomery] & v7pp100-102 [Johnson]). Some months too late to put the cat back in the bag. Even the
Sims/Boyd "stay with the hulls" was a little too late. Except for a bit of cover-up comedy. Stay with nothing, rather--oh, that's right, a paper sack... In fact, the Sims/Boyd attempt at a cover-up is more of a dead giveaway.

In the end, the shells were not there, on the 6th floor, for whatever reason--at least not between about 1 o'clock & 2:30pm--when Montgomery & Johnson were there. Had the shells been pocketed by Fritz, or were they originally found on a

different floor? Hill's lie does not answer that, but perhaps Sawyer's "third floor" does. Upshot: bad news for Sgt. Hill. He lied, about 1:10, re seeing the shells in the "protected" "nest"--over to his left, on the 6th floor--or perhaps was told to lie.
He would only have seen Det. Montgomery and a bunch of boxes and maybe a big bag over there. Wave to the detective, Sergeant.

Mudville--or Warrenville--in complete disarray.

dcw

He yelled down about the finding of the shells on the sixth floor.

They weren't there yet.

He yelled down that they were.

Which, as I proved, was a lie.

Is that what you think you did?

Actually, that's the less important thing I proved. The more important thing: Between 1 & 2:30, there were no shells in the "nest" on the 6th floor, for whatever reason. Johnson & Montgomery's original reports are the key--Bud & Lou's, er Boyd & Sims'

report seals the deal, acknowledging as it does that J&M were there on the 6th floor, then haplessly trying to inject shells into their shell-bereft scene!

Extraordinary claims need extraordinary evidence, not "I figure this mean this". Your claims are so fantastic I don`t see how you think what you are offering is adequate, but self-delusion is a conspiracy hobbyist hallmark.

dcw

dcw

Get over it. Hill lied.

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On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 2:31:44 PM UTC-7, Bud wrote:

On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 5:02:57 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:

On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 10:06:49 AM UTC-7, Bud wrote:

On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 12:20:05 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:

On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 5:47:36 PM UTC-7, Bud wrote:

On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 8:44:16 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:

On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 2:54:47 PM UTC-7, Bud wrote:

On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 5:00:25 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:

Sgt. Hill's 6th-floor tale of the shells, part 3: In short, Hill lied

At about 1 o'clock, Captain Fritz put Det. Montgomery in charge of "protecting the part of the scene where the window was that the shooting took place". But the only "nest" items which Montgomery mentions are the "surrounding boxes" and

the long brown paper sack. Spent shells apparently not worth a mention. They are small, but pretty important. One begins to suspect: The shells were not there when the two detectives were. Maybe the latter weren't there at the right time? But they were: "
Capt. Fritz asked Lt. Day to take pictures of the hulls and the surrounding area. About 1:25pm someone called for Fritz [from the rifle find], and he left DET. L.D. MONTGOMERY AND MARVIN JOHNSON TO STAY WITH THE HULLS." (Sims & Boyd Report re the
President's Murder, pp2-3) This seems to be an emergency fantasy override of Montgomery and Johnson's respective reports.

According to Sims/Boyd, then, the principal task for Montgomery and Johnson was to "stay with the hulls". All the more surprising then that the latter two detectives made no mention at all of said hulls. Astonishing, in fact, if one buys

Sims/Boyd--Montgomery and Johnson seem to be in ignorance of their main task. But Sims/Boyd isn't buyable. How can Montgomery/Johnson stay with hulls which aren't there? : "the shot" : Johnson found nothing in or around the "nest", in the course of an
hour and a half, to counter his original mindset (re "the shot") coming into the building. When Montgomery and Johnson leave the building, that phrase, "the shot", still stands. At that, the two don't mention even *one* shell.

But even when the detectives see the light, almost comically belatedly, in their respective testimonies, the following year, and finally talk shells, Montgomery still hasn't been sufficiently debriefed, or at least cannot grasp that Day (

as well as the shells) was supposed to have been in the "nest", processing them--at the same time that Johnson was there, thank you, Sims & Boyd. (v7p97 [Montgomery] & v7pp100-102 [Johnson]). Some months too late to put the cat back in the bag. Even the
Sims/Boyd "stay with the hulls" was a little too late. Except for a bit of cover-up comedy. Stay with nothing, rather--oh, that's right, a paper sack... In fact, the Sims/Boyd attempt at a cover-up is more of a dead giveaway.

In the end, the shells were not there, on the 6th floor, for whatever reason--at least not between about 1 o'clock & 2:30pm--when Montgomery & Johnson were there. Had the shells been pocketed by Fritz, or were they originally found on a

different floor? Hill's lie does not answer that, but perhaps Sawyer's "third floor" does. Upshot: bad news for Sgt. Hill. He lied, about 1:10, re seeing the shells in the "protected" "nest"--over to his left, on the 6th floor--or perhaps was told to lie.
He would only have seen Det. Montgomery and a bunch of boxes and maybe a big bag over there. Wave to the detective, Sergeant.

Mudville--or Warrenville--in complete disarray.

dcw

He yelled down about the finding of the shells on the sixth floor.

They weren't there yet.

He yelled down that they were.

Which, as I proved, was a lie.

Is that what you think you did?

Actually, that's the less important thing I proved. The more important thing: Between 1 & 2:30, there were no shells in the "nest" on the 6th floor, for whatever reason. Johnson & Montgomery's original reports are the key--Bud & Lou's, er Boyd & Sims'

report seals the deal, acknowledging as it does that J&M were there on the 6th floor, then haplessly trying to inject shells into their shell-bereft scene!

Extraordinary claims need extraordinary evidence, not "I figure this mean this". Your claims are so fantastic I don`t see how you think what you are offering is adequate, but self-delusion is a conspiracy hobbyist hallmark.

Give me an alternate explanation or two for the original Montgomery/Johnson reports.

dcw

dcw

Get over it. Hill lied.

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On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 8:12:53 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:

On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 2:31:44 PM UTC-7, Bud wrote:

On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 5:02:57 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:

On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 10:06:49 AM UTC-7, Bud wrote:

On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 12:20:05 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:

On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 5:47:36 PM UTC-7, Bud wrote:

On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 8:44:16 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:

On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 2:54:47 PM UTC-7, Bud wrote:

On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 5:00:25 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:

Sgt. Hill's 6th-floor tale of the shells, part 3: In short, Hill lied

At about 1 o'clock, Captain Fritz put Det. Montgomery in charge of "protecting the part of the scene where the window was that the shooting took place". But the only "nest" items which Montgomery mentions are the "surrounding boxes" and

the long brown paper sack. Spent shells apparently not worth a mention. They are small, but pretty important. One begins to suspect: The shells were not there when the two detectives were. Maybe the latter weren't there at the right time? But they were: "
Capt. Fritz asked Lt. Day to take pictures of the hulls and the surrounding area. About 1:25pm someone called for Fritz [from the rifle find], and he left DET. L.D. MONTGOMERY AND MARVIN JOHNSON TO STAY WITH THE HULLS." (Sims & Boyd Report re the
President's Murder, pp2-3) This seems to be an emergency fantasy override of Montgomery and Johnson's respective reports.

According to Sims/Boyd, then, the principal task for Montgomery and Johnson was to "stay with the hulls". All the more surprising then that the latter two detectives made no mention at all of said hulls. Astonishing, in fact, if one

buys Sims/Boyd--Montgomery and Johnson seem to be in ignorance of their main task. But Sims/Boyd isn't buyable. How can Montgomery/Johnson stay with hulls which aren't there? : "the shot" : Johnson found nothing in or around the "nest", in the course of
an hour and a half, to counter his original mindset (re "the shot") coming into the building. When Montgomery and Johnson leave the building, that phrase, "the shot", still stands. At that, the two don't mention even *one* shell.

But even when the detectives see the light, almost comically belatedly, in their respective testimonies, the following year, and finally talk shells, Montgomery still hasn't been sufficiently debriefed, or at least cannot grasp that Day

(as well as the shells) was supposed to have been in the "nest", processing them--at the same time that Johnson was there, thank you, Sims & Boyd. (v7p97 [Montgomery] & v7pp100-102 [Johnson]). Some months too late to put the cat back in the bag. Even the
Sims/Boyd "stay with the hulls" was a little too late. Except for a bit of cover-up comedy. Stay with nothing, rather--oh, that's right, a paper sack... In fact, the Sims/Boyd attempt at a cover-up is more of a dead giveaway.

In the end, the shells were not there, on the 6th floor, for whatever reason--at least not between about 1 o'clock & 2:30pm--when Montgomery & Johnson were there. Had the shells been pocketed by Fritz, or were they originally found on a

different floor? Hill's lie does not answer that, but perhaps Sawyer's "third floor" does. Upshot: bad news for Sgt. Hill. He lied, about 1:10, re seeing the shells in the "protected" "nest"--over to his left, on the 6th floor--or perhaps was told to lie.
He would only have seen Det. Montgomery and a bunch of boxes and maybe a big bag over there. Wave to the detective, Sergeant.

Mudville--or Warrenville--in complete disarray.

dcw

He yelled down about the finding of the shells on the sixth floor.

They weren't there yet.

He yelled down that they were.

Which, as I proved, was a lie.

Is that what you think you did?

Actually, that's the less important thing I proved. The more important thing: Between 1 & 2:30, there were no shells in the "nest" on the 6th floor, for whatever reason. Johnson & Montgomery's original reports are the key--Bud & Lou's, er Boyd &

Sims' report seals the deal, acknowledging as it does that J&M were there on the 6th floor, then haplessly trying to inject shells into their shell-bereft scene!

Extraordinary claims need extraordinary evidence, not "I figure this mean this". Your claims are so fantastic I don`t see how you think what you are offering is adequate, but self-delusion is a conspiracy hobbyist hallmark.

Give me an alternate explanation or two for the original Montgomery/Johnson reports.

Is this where I`m supposed to explain things to your satisfaction or you get to believe stupid shit?

dcw

dcw

Get over it. Hill lied.

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On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 5:33:05 PM UTC-7, Bud wrote:

On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 8:12:53 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:

On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 2:31:44 PM UTC-7, Bud wrote:

On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 5:02:57 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:

On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 10:06:49 AM UTC-7, Bud wrote:

On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 12:20:05 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:

On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 5:47:36 PM UTC-7, Bud wrote:

On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 8:44:16 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:

On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 2:54:47 PM UTC-7, Bud wrote:

On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 5:00:25 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:

Sgt. Hill's 6th-floor tale of the shells, part 3: In short, Hill lied

At about 1 o'clock, Captain Fritz put Det. Montgomery in charge of "protecting the part of the scene where the window was that the shooting took place". But the only "nest" items which Montgomery mentions are the "surrounding boxes"

and the long brown paper sack. Spent shells apparently not worth a mention. They are small, but pretty important. One begins to suspect: The shells were not there when the two detectives were. Maybe the latter weren't there at the right time? But they
were: "Capt. Fritz asked Lt. Day to take pictures of the hulls and the surrounding area. About 1:25pm someone called for Fritz [from the rifle find], and he left DET. L.D. MONTGOMERY AND MARVIN JOHNSON TO STAY WITH THE HULLS." (Sims & Boyd Report re the
President's Murder, pp2-3) This seems to be an emergency fantasy override of Montgomery and Johnson's respective reports.

According to Sims/Boyd, then, the principal task for Montgomery and Johnson was to "stay with the hulls". All the more surprising then that the latter two detectives made no mention at all of said hulls. Astonishing, in fact, if one

buys Sims/Boyd--Montgomery and Johnson seem to be in ignorance of their main task. But Sims/Boyd isn't buyable. How can Montgomery/Johnson stay with hulls which aren't there? : "the shot" : Johnson found nothing in or around the "nest", in the course of
an hour and a half, to counter his original mindset (re "the shot") coming into the building. When Montgomery and Johnson leave the building, that phrase, "the shot", still stands. At that, the two don't mention even *one* shell.

But even when the detectives see the light, almost comically belatedly, in their respective testimonies, the following year, and finally talk shells, Montgomery still hasn't been sufficiently debriefed, or at least cannot grasp that

Day (as well as the shells) was supposed to have been in the "nest", processing them--at the same time that Johnson was there, thank you, Sims & Boyd. (v7p97 [Montgomery] & v7pp100-102 [Johnson]). Some months too late to put the cat back in the bag. Even
the Sims/Boyd "stay with the hulls" was a little too late. Except for a bit of cover-up comedy. Stay with nothing, rather--oh, that's right, a paper sack... In fact, the Sims/Boyd attempt at a cover-up is more of a dead giveaway.

In the end, the shells were not there, on the 6th floor, for whatever reason--at least not between about 1 o'clock & 2:30pm--when Montgomery & Johnson were there. Had the shells been pocketed by Fritz, or were they originally found on

a different floor? Hill's lie does not answer that, but perhaps Sawyer's "third floor" does. Upshot: bad news for Sgt. Hill. He lied, about 1:10, re seeing the shells in the "protected" "nest"--over to his left, on the 6th floor--or perhaps was told to
lie. He would only have seen Det. Montgomery and a bunch of boxes and maybe a big bag over there. Wave to the detective, Sergeant.

Mudville--or Warrenville--in complete disarray.

dcw

He yelled down about the finding of the shells on the sixth floor.

They weren't there yet.

He yelled down that they were.

Which, as I proved, was a lie.

Is that what you think you did?

Actually, that's the less important thing I proved. The more important thing: Between 1 & 2:30, there were no shells in the "nest" on the 6th floor, for whatever reason. Johnson & Montgomery's original reports are the key--Bud & Lou's, er Boyd &

Sims' report seals the deal, acknowledging as it does that J&M were there on the 6th floor, then haplessly trying to inject shells into their shell-bereft scene!

Extraordinary claims need extraordinary evidence, not "I figure this mean this". Your claims are so fantastic I don`t see how you think what you are offering is adequate, but self-delusion is a conspiracy hobbyist hallmark.

Give me an alternate explanation or two for the original Montgomery/Johnson reports.

Is this where I`m supposed to explain things to your satisfaction or you get to believe stupid shit?

dcw

dcw

Get over it. Hill lied.

Boy, you're a crack nut to tough! Simple question, simple evasion. You've out-Budded yourself! You and John Robot are useless--at least, Hank addresses the points which his opposition raises.

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On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 08:43:20 -0700 (PDT), donald willis
<dcwillis9@yahoo.com> wrote:

Boy, you're a crack nut to tough! Simple question, simple evasion.
You've out-Budded yourself! You and John Robot are useless--at least,
Hank addresses the points which his opposition raises.

Not quite true. Huckster simply refuses to answer the points he
can't.

That's why he's gone most of the time...

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On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 09:42:58 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirslick@fast.net>
wrote:

My response spoke directly to reality of the situation. You cherry
pick something from here and something from there, make a few "this
must mean this" empty claims, do a little "conspiracy of the gaps" (if
there is an unknown I get to write in what I like), a great deal of
ignoring things that are inconvenient to your ideas and "TA-DA!", you
get to where you are desperate to go. In short, you are playing silly
games. Your ideas get increasingly complex, increasingly fantastic and require the participation of more and more people, while the level of supporting evidence remains woefully inadequate.

My looking at some police reports is not going to fix you.

Curiously, you posted no evidence. no citations, no documents, no
testimony, no exhibits, no witness videos.

Only comments. We gain nothing from the above.

Which makes who exactly the fool?

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On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 11:43:22 AM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:

On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 5:33:05 PM UTC-7, Bud wrote:

On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 8:12:53 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:

On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 2:31:44 PM UTC-7, Bud wrote:

On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 5:02:57 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:

On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 10:06:49 AM UTC-7, Bud wrote:

On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 12:20:05 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:

On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 5:47:36 PM UTC-7, Bud wrote:

On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 8:44:16 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:

On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 2:54:47 PM UTC-7, Bud wrote:

On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 5:00:25 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:

Sgt. Hill's 6th-floor tale of the shells, part 3: In short, Hill lied

At about 1 o'clock, Captain Fritz put Det. Montgomery in charge of "protecting the part of the scene where the window was that the shooting took place". But the only "nest" items which Montgomery mentions are the "surrounding boxes"

and the long brown paper sack. Spent shells apparently not worth a mention. They are small, but pretty important. One begins to suspect: The shells were not there when the two detectives were. Maybe the latter weren't there at the right time? But they
were: "Capt. Fritz asked Lt. Day to take pictures of the hulls and the surrounding area. About 1:25pm someone called for Fritz [from the rifle find], and he left DET. L.D. MONTGOMERY AND MARVIN JOHNSON TO STAY WITH THE HULLS." (Sims & Boyd Report re the
President's Murder, pp2-3) This seems to be an emergency fantasy override of Montgomery and Johnson's respective reports.

According to Sims/Boyd, then, the principal task for Montgomery and Johnson was to "stay with the hulls". All the more surprising then that the latter two detectives made no mention at all of said hulls. Astonishing, in fact, if one

buys Sims/Boyd--Montgomery and Johnson seem to be in ignorance of their main task. But Sims/Boyd isn't buyable. How can Montgomery/Johnson stay with hulls which aren't there? : "the shot" : Johnson found nothing in or around the "nest", in the course of
an hour and a half, to counter his original mindset (re "the shot") coming into the building. When Montgomery and Johnson leave the building, that phrase, "the shot", still stands. At that, the two don't mention even *one* shell.

But even when the detectives see the light, almost comically belatedly, in their respective testimonies, the following year, and finally talk shells, Montgomery still hasn't been sufficiently debriefed, or at least cannot grasp that

Day (as well as the shells) was supposed to have been in the "nest", processing them--at the same time that Johnson was there, thank you, Sims & Boyd. (v7p97 [Montgomery] & v7pp100-102 [Johnson]). Some months too late to put the cat back in the bag. Even
the Sims/Boyd "stay with the hulls" was a little too late. Except for a bit of cover-up comedy. Stay with nothing, rather--oh, that's right, a paper sack... In fact, the Sims/Boyd attempt at a cover-up is more of a dead giveaway.

In the end, the shells were not there, on the 6th floor, for whatever reason--at least not between about 1 o'clock & 2:30pm--when Montgomery & Johnson were there. Had the shells been pocketed by Fritz, or were they originally found

on a different floor? Hill's lie does not answer that, but perhaps Sawyer's "third floor" does. Upshot: bad news for Sgt. Hill. He lied, about 1:10, re seeing the shells in the "protected" "nest"--over to his left, on the 6th floor--or perhaps was told
to lie. He would only have seen Det. Montgomery and a bunch of boxes and maybe a big bag over there. Wave to the detective, Sergeant.

Mudville--or Warrenville--in complete disarray.

dcw

He yelled down about the finding of the shells on the sixth floor.

They weren't there yet.

He yelled down that they were.

Which, as I proved, was a lie.

Is that what you think you did?

Actually, that's the less important thing I proved. The more important thing: Between 1 & 2:30, there were no shells in the "nest" on the 6th floor, for whatever reason. Johnson & Montgomery's original reports are the key--Bud & Lou's, er Boyd &

Sims' report seals the deal, acknowledging as it does that J&M were there on the 6th floor, then haplessly trying to inject shells into their shell-bereft scene!

Extraordinary claims need extraordinary evidence, not "I figure this mean this". Your claims are so fantastic I don`t see how you think what you are offering is adequate, but self-delusion is a conspiracy hobbyist hallmark.

Give me an alternate explanation or two for the original Montgomery/Johnson reports.

Is this where I`m supposed to explain things to your satisfaction or you get to believe stupid shit?

dcw

dcw

Get over it. Hill lied.

Boy, you're a crack nut to tough! Simple question, simple evasion.

My response spoke directly to reality of the situation. You cherry pick something from here and something from there, make a few "this must mean this" empty claims, do a little "conspiracy of the gaps" (if there is an unknown I get to write in what I
like), a great deal of ignoring things that are inconvenient to your ideas and "TA-DA!", you get to where you are desperate to go. In short, you are playing silly games. Your ideas get increasingly complex, increasingly fantastic and require the
participation of more and more people, while the level of supporting evidence remains woefully inadequate.

My looking at some police reports is not going to fix you.

You've out-Budded yourself! You and John Robot are useless--at least, Hank addresses the points which his opposition raises.

Perhaps he cares more about your nonsense than I do.

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On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 12:50:02 PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:

On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 09:42:58 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
wrote:

My response spoke directly to reality of the situation. You cherry
pick something from here and something from there, make a few "this
must mean this" empty claims, do a little "conspiracy of the gaps" (if there is an unknown I get to write in what I like), a great deal of ignoring things that are inconvenient to your ideas and "TA-DA!", you
get to where you are desperate to go. In short, you are playing silly games. Your ideas get increasingly complex, increasingly fantastic and require the participation of more and more people, while the level of supporting evidence remains woefully inadequate.

My looking at some police reports is not going to fix you.

Curiously, you posted no evidence. no citations, no documents, no
testimony, no exhibits, no witness videos.

As explained, that isn`t where the problem lies.

Only comments. We gain nothing from the above.

Which makes who exactly the fool?

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On Wed, 9 Aug 2023 14:31:42 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirslick@fast.net>
wrote:

Extraordinary claims need extraordinary evidence, not "I figure
this mean this". Your claims are so fantastic I don`t see how you
think what you are offering is adequate, but self-delusion is a
conspiracy hobbyist hallmark.

So where's the evidence for this extraordinaire claim of yours,
Chickenshit?

And can you *name* your logical fallacy?

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On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 5:23:01 PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:

On Wed, 9 Aug 2023 14:31:42 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
wrote:

Extraordinary claims need extraordinary evidence, not "I figure
this mean this". Your claims are so fantastic I don`t see how you
think what you are offering is adequate, but self-delusion is a
conspiracy hobbyist hallmark.

So where's the evidence for this extraordinaire claim of yours,
Chickenshit?

What claim is that?

And can you *name* your logical fallacy?

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On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 5:23:03 PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:

On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 10:16:21 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
wrote:

On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 12:50:02?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:

On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 09:42:58 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
wrote:

My response spoke directly to reality of the situation. You cherry
pick something from here and something from there, make a few "this
must mean this" empty claims, do a little "conspiracy of the gaps" (if >>> there is an unknown I get to write in what I like), a great deal of
ignoring things that are inconvenient to your ideas and "TA-DA!", you >>> get to where you are desperate to go. In short, you are playing silly >>> games. Your ideas get increasingly complex, increasingly fantastic and >>> require the participation of more and more people, while the level of >>> supporting evidence remains woefully inadequate.

My looking at some police reports is not going to fix you.

Curiously, you posted no evidence. no citations, no documents, no
testimony, no exhibits, no witness videos.

As explained, that isn`t where the problem lies.

As explained, you posted no evidence, no citations, no documents, no testimony, no exhibits, no witness videos.

Point me to where in the evidence Don`s poor thinking is explained.

You're going to have to explain yourself to Huckster... not me.

Only comments. We gain nothing from the above.

Which makes who exactly the fool?

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On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 5:51:35 PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:

Non sequitur removed.

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On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 6:09:52 PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:

Non sequitur removed.

Ben tried to help Don out but he couldn`t do it so he trolls the thread instead.

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On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 7:07:55 PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:

So, according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval" shape that was
"virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

Why are you asking me questions, you are claiming to be refuting Bugliosi. Get to it.

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On Sat, 12 Aug 2023 07:53:40 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirslick@fast.net>
wrote:

On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 7:07:55?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:

So, according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval" shape that was
"virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

Why are you asking me questions, you are claiming to be refuting Bugliosi. Get to it.

So, according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval" shape that was
"virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

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