• Vincent Bugliosi's SBT - #1 - Refuted

    From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to All on Tue Aug 8 07:34:30 2023
    Bugliosi provides his arguments for the Single Bullet Theory: (With my responses...)

    "1. Perhaps the biggest argument the anti-single-bullet-theory
    advocates make is that the alignment of Kennedy's and Connally's
    bodies to each other was such that any bullet passing through Kennedy
    would have had to make a right turn in midair to go on and hit John
    Connally - thus, the 'magic bullet' of conspiracy lore. ..." Pg 458


    This might be Bugliosi's opinion... but I think the problem
    *first*begins with demonstrating transit - there's very little
    evidence thata bullet transited JFK's body.

    Indeed, *NO* believer has ever demonstrated that ANY bullet transited
    JFK's body - or publicly acknowledged that there's EVIDENCE that no
    such transit ever occurred.

    But to deal with Bugliosi's point - tis true that some CT authors have misrepresented Connally's position relative to JFK, but this is hardly
    the nail in the coffin that Bugliosi believes it to be.

    This diagram: https://throughtheoswaldwindow.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/SBT-768x536.jpg

    Is indeed FAR more accurate that this official evidence taken by the
    WCR: https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/the-bullet-that-hit-john-f-kennedy-in-the-head-removed-a-large-of-picture-id615320510

    But David Von Penis will simply run away - because he **CANNOT**
    defend Bugliosi from critical review.

    Every attempt to demonstrate an SBT has multiple problems, *BEGINNING*
    with the lack of any demonstrated transit, moving on to the FBI's
    recreation and Chaney's observations, and then on to the Z-film, which
    never shows the alignment believers need for an SBT.

    And, lest I forget, the complete IMPOSSIBLITY of any SBT striking the
    OUTSIDE of Connally's wrist first.

    Bugliosi has failed with #1.

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  • From Bud@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Tue Aug 8 14:00:23 2023
    On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 10:34:34 AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    Bugliosi provides his arguments for the Single Bullet Theory: (With my responses...)

    "1. Perhaps the biggest argument the anti-single-bullet-theory
    advocates make is that the alignment of Kennedy's and Connally's
    bodies to each other was such that any bullet passing through Kennedy would have had to make a right turn in midair to go on and hit John Connally - thus, the 'magic bullet' of conspiracy lore. ..." Pg 458


    This might be Bugliosi's opinion... but I think the problem
    *first*begins with demonstrating transit - there's very little
    evidence thata bullet transited JFK's body.

    No bullet found in the body shows the bullet transited.

    Indeed, *NO* believer has ever demonstrated that ANY bullet transited
    JFK's body - or publicly acknowledged that there's EVIDENCE that no
    such transit ever occurred.

    You refuse to give any.

    But to deal with Bugliosi's point - tis true that some CT authors have misrepresented Connally's position relative to JFK, but this is hardly
    the nail in the coffin that Bugliosi believes it to be.

    This diagram: https://throughtheoswaldwindow.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/SBT-768x536.jpg

    Is indeed FAR more accurate that this official evidence taken by the
    WCR: https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/the-bullet-that-hit-john-f-kennedy-in-the-head-removed-a-large-of-picture-id615320510

    But David Von Penis will simply run away - because he **CANNOT**
    defend Bugliosi from critical review.

    Every attempt to demonstrate an SBT has multiple problems, *BEGINNING*
    with the lack of any demonstrated transit, moving on to the FBI's
    recreation and Chaney's observations, and then on to the Z-film, which
    never shows the alignment believers need for an SBT.

    Look at Ben pretending he is making arguments without actually making any real supported arguments. I guess just saying things is just as good.

    And, lest I forget, the complete IMPOSSIBLITY of any SBT striking the OUTSIDE of Connally's wrist first.

    More hot air. Ben says a lot, he shows nothing.

    Bugliosi has failed with #1.

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  • From John Corbett@21:1/5 to Bud on Tue Aug 8 15:28:42 2023
    On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 5:00:25 PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
    On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 10:34:34 AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    Bugliosi provides his arguments for the Single Bullet Theory: (With my responses...)

    "1. Perhaps the biggest argument the anti-single-bullet-theory
    advocates make is that the alignment of Kennedy's and Connally's
    bodies to each other was such that any bullet passing through Kennedy would have had to make a right turn in midair to go on and hit John Connally - thus, the 'magic bullet' of conspiracy lore. ..." Pg 458


    This might be Bugliosi's opinion... but I think the problem
    *first*begins with demonstrating transit - there's very little
    evidence thata bullet transited JFK's body.
    No bullet found in the body shows the bullet transited.
    Indeed, *NO* believer has ever demonstrated that ANY bullet transited JFK's body - or publicly acknowledged that there's EVIDENCE that no
    such transit ever occurred.
    You refuse to give any.
    But to deal with Bugliosi's point - tis true that some CT authors have misrepresented Connally's position relative to JFK, but this is hardly
    the nail in the coffin that Bugliosi believes it to be.

    This diagram: https://throughtheoswaldwindow.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/SBT-768x536.jpg

    Is indeed FAR more accurate that this official evidence taken by the
    WCR: https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/the-bullet-that-hit-john-f-kennedy-in-the-head-removed-a-large-of-picture-id615320510

    But David Von Penis will simply run away - because he **CANNOT**
    defend Bugliosi from critical review.

    Every attempt to demonstrate an SBT has multiple problems, *BEGINNING* with the lack of any demonstrated transit, moving on to the FBI's recreation and Chaney's observations, and then on to the Z-film, which never shows the alignment believers need for an SBT.
    Look at Ben pretending he is making arguments without actually making any real supported arguments. I guess just saying things is just as good.
    And, lest I forget, the complete IMPOSSIBLITY of any SBT striking the OUTSIDE of Connally's wrist first.
    More hot air. Ben says a lot, he shows nothing.

    As long as I have read his nonsense, all has ever done is fling shit on the wall and see if he can
    get any of it to stick. So far, none of it has. This is another reason why I don't even bother to read
    it anymore.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to geowright1963@gmail.com on Wed Aug 9 07:02:49 2023
    On Tue, 8 Aug 2023 15:28:42 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett
    <geowright1963@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 5:00:25?PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
    On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 10:34:34?AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    Bugliosi provides his arguments for the Single Bullet Theory: (With my
    responses...)

    "1. Perhaps the biggest argument the anti-single-bullet-theory
    advocates make is that the alignment of Kennedy's and Connally's
    bodies to each other was such that any bullet passing through Kennedy
    would have had to make a right turn in midair to go on and hit John
    Connally - thus, the 'magic bullet' of conspiracy lore. ..." Pg 458


    This might be Bugliosi's opinion... but I think the problem
    *first*begins with demonstrating transit - there's very little
    evidence thata bullet transited JFK's body.
    No bullet found in the body shows the bullet transited.
    Indeed, *NO* believer has ever demonstrated that ANY bullet transited
    JFK's body - or publicly acknowledged that there's EVIDENCE that no
    such transit ever occurred.
    You refuse to give any.
    But to deal with Bugliosi's point - tis true that some CT authors have
    misrepresented Connally's position relative to JFK, but this is hardly
    the nail in the coffin that Bugliosi believes it to be.

    This diagram:
    https://throughtheoswaldwindow.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/SBT-768x536.jpg

    Is indeed FAR more accurate that this official evidence taken by the
    WCR:
    https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/the-bullet-that-hit-john-f-kennedy-in-the-head-removed-a-large-of-picture-id615320510

    But David Von Penis will simply run away - because he **CANNOT**
    defend Bugliosi from critical review.

    Every attempt to demonstrate an SBT has multiple problems, *BEGINNING*
    with the lack of any demonstrated transit, moving on to the FBI's
    recreation and Chaney's observations, and then on to the Z-film, which
    never shows the alignment believers need for an SBT.
    Look at Ben pretending he is making arguments without actually making any real supported arguments. I guess just saying things is just as good.
    And, lest I forget, the complete IMPOSSIBLITY of any SBT striking the
    OUTSIDE of Connally's wrist first.
    More hot air. Ben says a lot, he shows nothing.

    As long as I have read his nonsense, all has ever done is fling shit on the wall and see if he can
    get any of it to stick. So far, none of it has. This is another reason why I don't even bother to read
    it anymore.

    And yet, you keep responding to others responding to the posts you
    think is nonsense.

    Actions speak louder than words...

    And empty unsupported claims are lies... according to Chickenshit.

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  • From BT George@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Wed Aug 9 07:08:39 2023
    On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 9:02:52 AM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Tue, 8 Aug 2023 15:28:42 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett
    <geowri...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 5:00:25?PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
    On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 10:34:34?AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    Bugliosi provides his arguments for the Single Bullet Theory: (With my >>> responses...)

    "1. Perhaps the biggest argument the anti-single-bullet-theory
    advocates make is that the alignment of Kennedy's and Connally's
    bodies to each other was such that any bullet passing through Kennedy >>>> would have had to make a right turn in midair to go on and hit John >>>> Connally - thus, the 'magic bullet' of conspiracy lore. ..." Pg 458


    This might be Bugliosi's opinion... but I think the problem
    *first*begins with demonstrating transit - there's very little
    evidence thata bullet transited JFK's body.
    No bullet found in the body shows the bullet transited.
    Indeed, *NO* believer has ever demonstrated that ANY bullet transited >>> JFK's body - or publicly acknowledged that there's EVIDENCE that no
    such transit ever occurred.
    You refuse to give any.
    But to deal with Bugliosi's point - tis true that some CT authors have >>> misrepresented Connally's position relative to JFK, but this is hardly >>> the nail in the coffin that Bugliosi believes it to be.

    This diagram:
    https://throughtheoswaldwindow.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/SBT-768x536.jpg

    Is indeed FAR more accurate that this official evidence taken by the
    WCR:
    https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/the-bullet-that-hit-john-f-kennedy-in-the-head-removed-a-large-of-picture-id615320510

    But David Von Penis will simply run away - because he **CANNOT**
    defend Bugliosi from critical review.

    Every attempt to demonstrate an SBT has multiple problems, *BEGINNING* >>> with the lack of any demonstrated transit, moving on to the FBI's
    recreation and Chaney's observations, and then on to the Z-film, which >>> never shows the alignment believers need for an SBT.
    Look at Ben pretending he is making arguments without actually making any real supported arguments. I guess just saying things is just as good.
    And, lest I forget, the complete IMPOSSIBLITY of any SBT striking the >>> OUTSIDE of Connally's wrist first.
    More hot air. Ben says a lot, he shows nothing.

    As long as I have read his nonsense, all has ever done is fling shit on the wall and see if he can
    get any of it to stick. So far, none of it has. This is another reason why I don't even bother to read
    it anymore.
    And yet, you keep responding to others responding to the posts you
    think is nonsense.

    Actions speak louder than words...

    And empty unsupported claims are lies... according to Chickenshit.

    Read it folks as Holmes confuses his entertainment value to pathetically bored people who like to talk about the JFK assassination with actual *interest* in anything he has to say.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 11 14:22:36 2023
    On Tue, 8 Aug 2023 14:00:23 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirslick@fast.net>
    wrote:

    On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 10:34:34?AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    Bugliosi provides his arguments for the Single Bullet Theory: (With my
    responses...)

    "1. Perhaps the biggest argument the anti-single-bullet-theory
    advocates make is that the alignment of Kennedy's and Connally's
    bodies to each other was such that any bullet passing through Kennedy
    would have had to make a right turn in midair to go on and hit John
    Connally - thus, the 'magic bullet' of conspiracy lore. ..." Pg 458


    This might be Bugliosi's opinion... but I think the problem
    *first*begins with demonstrating transit - there's very little
    evidence thata bullet transited JFK's body.

    No bullet found in the body shows the bullet transited.


    That is a logical fallacy... can you name it?


    Indeed, *NO* believer has ever demonstrated that ANY bullet transited
    JFK's body - or publicly acknowledged that there's EVIDENCE that no
    such transit ever occurred.

    You refuse to give any.


    Lies can't convince people, Chickenshit.


    But to deal with Bugliosi's point - tis true that some CT authors have
    misrepresented Connally's position relative to JFK, but this is hardly
    the nail in the coffin that Bugliosi believes it to be.

    This diagram:
    https://throughtheoswaldwindow.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/SBT-768x536.jpg

    Is indeed FAR more accurate that this official evidence taken by the
    WCR:
    https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/the-bullet-that-hit-john-f-kennedy-in-the-head-removed-a-large-of-picture-id615320510

    But David Von Penis will simply run away - because he **CANNOT**
    defend Bugliosi from critical review.

    Every attempt to demonstrate an SBT has multiple problems, *BEGINNING*
    with the lack of any demonstrated transit, moving on to the FBI's
    recreation and Chaney's observations, and then on to the Z-film, which
    never shows the alignment believers need for an SBT.


    Logical fallacy deleted.


    And, lest I forget, the complete IMPOSSIBLITY of any SBT striking the
    OUTSIDE of Connally's wrist first.

    Bugliosi has failed with #1.


    Chickenshit has failed too...

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  • From Bud@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Fri Aug 11 18:47:38 2023
    On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 5:23:01 PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Tue, 8 Aug 2023 14:00:23 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 10:34:34?AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    Bugliosi provides his arguments for the Single Bullet Theory: (With my
    responses...)

    "1. Perhaps the biggest argument the anti-single-bullet-theory
    advocates make is that the alignment of Kennedy's and Connally's
    bodies to each other was such that any bullet passing through Kennedy >> > would have had to make a right turn in midair to go on and hit John
    Connally - thus, the 'magic bullet' of conspiracy lore. ..." Pg 458


    This might be Bugliosi's opinion... but I think the problem
    *first*begins with demonstrating transit - there's very little
    evidence thata bullet transited JFK's body.

    No bullet found in the body shows the bullet transited.
    That is a logical fallacy... can you name it?

    Reasoning isn`t a fallacy.

    Indeed, *NO* believer has ever demonstrated that ANY bullet transited
    JFK's body - or publicly acknowledged that there's EVIDENCE that no
    such transit ever occurred.

    You refuse to give any.
    Lies can't convince people, Chickenshit.

    And you still refuse to give any.

    You need more than hot air if you hope to convince anyone.

    But to deal with Bugliosi's point - tis true that some CT authors have
    misrepresented Connally's position relative to JFK, but this is hardly
    the nail in the coffin that Bugliosi believes it to be.

    This diagram:
    https://throughtheoswaldwindow.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/SBT-768x536.jpg

    Is indeed FAR more accurate that this official evidence taken by the
    WCR:
    https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/the-bullet-that-hit-john-f-kennedy-in-the-head-removed-a-large-of-picture-id615320510

    But David Von Penis will simply run away - because he **CANNOT**
    defend Bugliosi from critical review.

    Every attempt to demonstrate an SBT has multiple problems, *BEGINNING*
    with the lack of any demonstrated transit, moving on to the FBI's
    recreation and Chaney's observations, and then on to the Z-film, which
    never shows the alignment believers need for an SBT.
    Logical fallacy deleted.

    Calling on you to support your hot air isn`t a fallacy.

    And, lest I forget, the complete IMPOSSIBLITY of any SBT striking the
    OUTSIDE of Connally's wrist first.

    Bugliosi has failed with #1.

    You say things, you show nothing.

    Chickenshit has failed too...

    Ben continues to just say stuff, as if just saying stuff without showing anything is meaningful.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to All on Mon Aug 14 08:25:25 2023
    On Fri, 11 Aug 2023 18:47:38 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirslick@fast.net>
    wrote:

    Reasoning isn`t a fallacy.

    So, according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval" shape that was
    "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

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