• Boone admits he could not identify CE 139 as the rifle he found

    From Gil Jesus@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 4 09:20:30 2023
    Dallas Deputy Sheriff Eugene Boone admits that he could not identify the rifle in evidence, CE 139, as the rifle he found on the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository.

    From 1986's "On Trial: Lee Harvey Oswald"

    https://youtu.be/acRdJM25jwk

    Time for the trolls to start crying again.

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  • From Gil Jesus@21:1/5 to Bud on Fri Aug 4 10:13:16 2023
    On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 1:07:04 PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
    We learn nothing about a conspiracy to kill JFK from the above.

    Find that 43 inch bag yet ?

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  • From Bud@21:1/5 to Gil Jesus on Fri Aug 4 10:07:02 2023
    On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 12:20:32 PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    Dallas Deputy Sheriff Eugene Boone admits that he could not identify the rifle in evidence, CE 139, as the rifle he found on the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository.

    From 1986's "On Trial: Lee Harvey Oswald"

    https://youtu.be/acRdJM25jwk

    Time for the trolls to start crying again.

    We learn nothing about a conspiracy to kill JFK from the above.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 4 10:46:57 2023
    On Fri, 4 Aug 2023 10:43:53 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirslick@fast.net>
    wrote:

    On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 1:13:19?PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 1:07:04?PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
    We learn nothing about a conspiracy to kill JFK from the above.
    Find that 43 inch bag yet ?

    Have you shown the bag in evidence wouldn`t be 43 inches long if the flap was extended?

    Have you shown that Santa Claus isn't moonlighting as the Easter
    Bunny?

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  • From Bud@21:1/5 to Gil Jesus on Fri Aug 4 10:43:53 2023
    On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 1:13:19 PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 1:07:04 PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
    We learn nothing about a conspiracy to kill JFK from the above.
    Find that 43 inch bag yet ?

    Have you shown the bag in evidence wouldn`t be 43 inches long if the flap was extended?

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  • From Bud@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Fri Aug 4 10:52:15 2023
    On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 1:47:01 PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Fri, 4 Aug 2023 10:43:53 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:

    On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 1:13:19?PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 1:07:04?PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
    We learn nothing about a conspiracy to kill JFK from the above.
    Find that 43 inch bag yet ?

    Have you shown the bag in evidence wouldn`t be 43 inches long if the flap was extended?
    Have you shown that Santa Claus isn't moonlighting as the Easter
    Bunny?

    How would that help Gil determine whether the bag in evidence would or wouldn`t measure 43 inches with the flap extended.

    And since you stuck your nose into this, wouldn`t pulling the bag taunt make for a more accurate measurement? You seemed to think I was trying to make the bag "longer".

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  • From John Corbett@21:1/5 to Gil Jesus on Fri Aug 4 11:13:40 2023
    On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 12:20:32 PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    Dallas Deputy Sheriff Eugene Boone admits that he could not identify the rifle in evidence, CE 139, as the rifle he found on the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository.

    From 1986's "On Trial: Lee Harvey Oswald"

    https://youtu.be/acRdJM25jwk

    Time for the trolls to start crying again.

    Since Boone didn't take possession of the rifle, this doesn't matter. It is just another one of
    your irrelevant excuses for dismissing a key piece of evidence of Oswald's guilt.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to geowright1963@gmail.com on Fri Aug 4 13:04:52 2023
    On Fri, 4 Aug 2023 11:13:40 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett
    <geowright1963@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 12:20:32?PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    Dallas Deputy Sheriff Eugene Boone admits that he could not identify the rifle in evidence, CE 139, as the rifle he found on the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository.

    From 1986's "On Trial: Lee Harvey Oswald"

    https://youtu.be/acRdJM25jwk

    Time for the trolls to start crying again.


    And indeed, Corbutt immediately did as as you suggested...

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  • From Bud@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Fri Aug 4 13:14:36 2023
    On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 4:04:56 PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Fri, 4 Aug 2023 11:13:40 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett
    <geowri...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 12:20:32?PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    Dallas Deputy Sheriff Eugene Boone admits that he could not identify the rifle in evidence, CE 139, as the rifle he found on the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository.

    From 1986's "On Trial: Lee Harvey Oswald"

    https://youtu.be/acRdJM25jwk

    Time for the trolls to start crying again.
    And indeed, Corbutt immediately did as as you suggested...

    He looked at it correctly. Conspiracy folks hate that.

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  • From Gil Jesus@21:1/5 to John Corbett on Fri Aug 4 13:31:17 2023
    On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 2:13:42 PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    Since Boone didn't take possession of the rifle, this doesn't matter.

    Bullshit. How do you know that this is the same rifle he found if he never identified it ?
    Especially with the ( according to you people ) misidentification of the rifle by three different deputies.
    It's IMPERATIVE that he identify the rifle.

    "This doesn't matter" is just another of your stupid comments that you can't back up.
    Spanked again.

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  • From Gil Jesus@21:1/5 to Bud on Fri Aug 4 13:27:31 2023
    On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 1:43:54 PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
    Have you shown the bag in evidence wouldn`t be 43 inches long if the flap was extended?

    Absolutely
    https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/flap-fold.png

    Can you cite the official document that describes the bag as being larger than 38 inches ?

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  • From John Corbett@21:1/5 to Gil Jesus on Fri Aug 4 13:41:42 2023
    On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 4:31:19 PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 2:13:42 PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    Since Boone didn't take possession of the rifle, this doesn't matter.
    Bullshit. How do you know that this is the same rifle he found if he never identified it ?

    Because Lt. Day took possession of the rifle that Boone found. You should know this because you made such a big deal of showing me Day dusting the rifle for prints inside the TSBD.

    Especially with the ( according to you people ) misidentification of the rifle by three different deputies.
    It's IMPERATIVE that he identify the rifle.

    Boone was never in the chain of custody. There is absolutely no reason he needs to be able to
    say it was the same rifle.

    "This doesn't matter" is just another of your stupid comments that you can't back up.

    The fact that you think this matters shows your desperation to dismiss any and all evidence of
    Oswald's guilt which would leave us with no evidence at all.

    Spanked again.

    You seem to have a very creepy fetish.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to geowright1963@gmail.com on Fri Aug 4 13:57:35 2023
    On Fri, 4 Aug 2023 13:41:42 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett
    <geowright1963@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 4:31:19?PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 2:13:42?PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    Since Boone didn't take possession of the rifle, this doesn't matter.
    Bullshit. How do you know that this is the same rifle he found if he never identified it ?

    Because Lt. Day took possession of the rifle that Boone found. You
    should know this because you made such a big deal of showing me Day
    dusting the rifle for prints inside the TSBD.


    You didn't address what Gil said.

    You lose.


    Especially with the ( according to you people ) misidentification of the rifle by three different deputies.
    It's IMPERATIVE that he identify the rifle.

    Boone was never in the chain of custody. There is absolutely no reason he needs to be able to
    say it was the same rifle.


    Anyone want to guess what Corbutt would be arguing right now if others
    said it was a Mauser, and BOONE was claiming it was a Mannlicher
    Carcano?


    "This doesn't matter" is just another of your stupid comments that you can't back up.

    The fact that you think this matters shows your desperation to dismiss any and all evidence of
    Oswald's guilt which would leave us with no evidence at all.


    You're simply lying again.

    That you reach for lies rather than evidence shows that *YOU* know you
    lost.


    Spanked again.

    You seem to have a very creepy fetish.


    You're the one who keeps getting spanked.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to gjjmail1202@gmail.com on Fri Aug 4 13:59:11 2023
    On Fri, 4 Aug 2023 13:27:31 -0700 (PDT), Gil Jesus
    <gjjmail1202@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 1:43:54?PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
    Have you shown the bag in evidence wouldn`t be 43 inches long if the flap was extended?

    Absolutely
    https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/flap-fold.png

    Can you cite the official document that describes the bag as being larger than 38 inches ?


    I'll answer for Chickenshit: "Of course not... there aren't any such documents."

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  • From Bud@21:1/5 to Gil Jesus on Fri Aug 4 14:43:06 2023
    On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 4:27:32 PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 1:43:54 PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
    Have you shown the bag in evidence wouldn`t be 43 inches long if the flap was extended?
    Absolutely
    https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/flap-fold.png

    Can you cite the official document that describes the bag as being larger than 38 inches ?

    Non sequitur.

    What is the length with the flap extended?

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  • From Bud@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Fri Aug 4 14:42:16 2023
    On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 4:59:15 PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Fri, 4 Aug 2023 13:27:31 -0700 (PDT), Gil Jesus
    <gjjma...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 1:43:54?PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
    Have you shown the bag in evidence wouldn`t be 43 inches long if the flap was extended?

    Absolutely
    https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/flap-fold.png

    Can you cite the official document that describes the bag as being larger than 38 inches ?
    I'll answer for Chickenshit: "Of course not... there aren't any such documents."

    What is the length with the flap extended?

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  • From Gil Jesus@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Sat Aug 5 02:49:36 2023
    On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 4:57:41 PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    You didn't address what Gil said.

    You lose.

    He never does.
    As usual, he hasn't refuted one single thing that I've said.
    No citations
    No documents
    No testimony
    No exhibits
    No witness videos
    No photographs
    No links

    Time for another spanking.

    During his testimony, Boone was shown the CE 139 rifle and asked if it was the rifle he found and he could not positively identify it. The video corroborates his testimony.

    https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/WC_Vol3_294-boone.gif

    Much of the main evidence against Oswald was never positively identified by the person who found it.
    This includes the four Tippit shells, the three shells found on the sixth floor, the "stretcher bullet" CE 399, the "tannish-grey" jacket and the C 2766 rifle.

    None of these items were ever positively identified by the persons who found them.

    Without these positive identifications, the prosecution's case is weakened because it cannot prove that the items currently in evidence are the same items the witnesses found.

    And the fact that all of these same items were also originally described as something else, not only makes positive identification by their finders imperative, it leaves open the possibility that there was evidence tampering by authorities and that the
    items in evidence may have been substituted for the items originally found.

    Positive identification by the persons who found the evidence would eliminate any possibility of witness tampering by authorities.
    And THAT'S why you have them mark the evidence for later identification.

    How do we explain five main pieces of evidence, found in different locations and at different times, and all originally described as something else, not positively identified by the people who found them ?

    A coincidence ? Five coincidences ?

    No. IMO, this is prima facie evidence of tampering by police.

    "Don't believe the so-called evidence" ---- Lee Harvey Oswald to his brother Robert.

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  • From Gil Jesus@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Sat Aug 5 03:23:16 2023
    On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 4:57:41 PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    You didn't address what Gil said.

    You lose.

    He never does.
    As usual, he hasn't refuted one single thing that I've said.
    No citations
    No documents
    No testimony
    No exhibits
    No witness videos
    No photographs
    No links

    Time for another spanking.

    During his testimony, Boone was shown the CE 139 rifle and asked if it was the rifle he found and he could not positively identify it. The video corroborates his testimony.

    https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/WC_Vol3_294-boone.gif

    Much of the main evidence against Oswald was never positively identified by the person who found it.
    This includes the four Tippit shells, the three shells found on the sixth floor, the "stretcher bullet" CE 399, the "tannish-grey" jacket and the C 2766 rifle.

    None of these items were ever positively identified by the persons who found them.

    Without these positive identifications, the prosecution's case is weakened because it cannot prove that the items currently in evidence are the same items the witnesses found.

    And the fact that all of these same items were also originally described as something else, not only makes positive identification by their finders imperative, it leaves open the possibility that there was evidence tampering by authorities and that the
    items in evidence may have been substituted for the items originally found.

    Positive identification by the persons who found the items would eliminate any possibility of evidence tampering by authorities.
    And THAT'S why you have them mark the evidence for later identification.

    How do we explain five main pieces of evidence, found in different locations and at different times, and all originally described as something else, not positively identified by the people who found them ?

    A coincidence ? Five coincidences ?

    No. IMO, this is prima facie evidence of tampering by police.

    "Don't believe the so-called evidence" ---- Lee Harvey Oswald to his brother Robert.

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  • From Bud@21:1/5 to Gil Jesus on Sat Aug 5 03:43:32 2023
    On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 6:23:17 AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 4:57:41 PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    You didn't address what Gil said.

    You lose.
    He never does.
    As usual, he hasn't refuted one single thing that I've said.
    No citations
    No documents
    No testimony
    No exhibits
    No witness videos
    No photographs
    No links

    Time for another spanking.

    During his testimony, Boone was shown the CE 139 rifle and asked if it was the rifle he found and he could not positively identify it.

    How could he if he didn`t mark it in some way?

    The video corroborates his testimony.

    https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/WC_Vol3_294-boone.gif

    Much of the main evidence against Oswald was never positively identified by the person who found it.
    This includes the four Tippit shells, the three shells found on the sixth floor, the "stretcher bullet" CE 399, the "tannish-grey" jacket and the C 2766 rifle.

    None of these items were ever positively identified by the persons who found them.

    You haven`t shown that it is the first officer that lays eyes on an item starts the chain of possession.

    Without these positive identifications, the prosecution's case is weakened because it cannot prove that the items currently in evidence are the same items the witnesses found.

    And the fact that all of these same items were also originally described as something else, not only makes positive identification by their finders imperative, it leaves open the possibility that there was evidence tampering by authorities and that the
    items in evidence may have been substituted for the items originally found.

    Positive identification by the persons who found the items would eliminate any possibility of evidence tampering by authorities.
    And THAT'S why you have them mark the evidence for later identification.

    And it was marked by the person who processed the evidence.

    How do we explain five main pieces of evidence, found in different locations and at different times, and all originally described as something else, not positively identified by the people who found them ?

    The explanation is you are an idiot who doesn`t understand chain of custody.

    A coincidence ? Five coincidences ?

    No. IMO, this is prima facie evidence of tampering by police.

    It is proof you are an idiot who has no business looking into this case at all.

    "Don't believe the so-called evidence" ---- Lee Harvey Oswald to his brother Robert.

    Don`t believe assassins.

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  • From John Corbett@21:1/5 to Gil Jesus on Sat Aug 5 03:48:17 2023
    On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 5:49:38 AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 4:57:41 PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    You didn't address what Gil said.

    You lose.
    He never does.
    As usual, he hasn't refuted one single thing that I've said.

    You're full of shit, Gil. I refuted everything you said. None of the below items was needed to do
    that because your problem is your illogical thinking and those items aren't needed to do that.

    No citations
    No documents
    No testimony
    No exhibits
    No witness videos
    No photographs
    No links

    Time for another spanking.

    During his testimony, Boone was shown the CE 139 rifle and asked if it was the rifle he found and he could not positively identify it. The video corroborates his testimony.

    https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/WC_Vol3_294-boone.gif

    Boone's identification of the rifle isn't needed to establish its authenticity because he never
    handled the rifle. Day was the one who took possession of the rifle. Day establishes it was
    the rifle found in the TSBD, not Boone. You are making a red herring argument by pointing out
    Boone couldn't make a positive ID of the rifle.


    Much of the main evidence against Oswald was never positively identified by the person who found it.

    Damn, you're a dumbfuck.

    This includes the four Tippit shells, the three shells found on the sixth floor, the "stretcher bullet" CE 399, the "tannish-grey" jacket and the C 2766 rifle.

    None of these items were ever positively identified by the persons who found them.

    Keep those red herrings coming, Gil. You know nothing about the chain of custody rules.

    Without these positive identifications, the prosecution's case is weakened because it cannot prove that the items currently in evidence are the same items the witnesses found.

    You get stupider by the day, Gil. The world doesn't operate by Gil's Rules of Evidence.

    And the fact that all of these same items were also originally described as something else, not only makes positive identification by their finders imperative, it leaves open the possibility that there was evidence tampering by authorities and that the
    items in evidence may have been substituted for the items originally found.

    Keep inventing excuses for disregarding the evidence that proves Oswald was the assassin. It's
    all you're really good for.

    Positive identification by the persons who found the evidence would eliminate any possibility of witness tampering by authorities.

    Even that is illogical.

    And THAT'S why you have them mark the evidence for later identification.

    How do we explain five main pieces of evidence, found in different locations and at different times, and all originally described as something else, not positively identified by the people who found them ?

    The key point in chain of custody is who took possession of them. You think you are an authority
    on rules of evidence and you're not. You're just a dumbass pounding away at a keyboard.

    A coincidence ? Five coincidences ?

    No. IMO, this is prima facie evidence of tampering by police.

    That's because you have no idea what legally constitutes evidence. HINT: Your FUBAR figuring
    is not evidence.

    "Don't believe the so-called evidence" ---- Lee Harvey Oswald to his brother Robert.

    And because you're a dumbass, you believe what the assassin said. Everybody else was lying.

    Rather than going by Gil's Rules of Evidence, let's turn to a competent source.

    https://www.justcriminallaw.com/criminal-charges-questions/2020/08/26/chain-custody-important-criminal-case/

    The following excerpt briefly describes the chain of custody procedures:

    [quote on]

    What Is Included in an Evidence Log?

    To prove chain of custody at trial, law enforcement must be able to identify, at all times in the chain of custody, a particular person who is in control of a piece of evidence. This is done through an evidence log.

    A typical evidence log will include the date and time the evidence was collected, the name of the investigator, the location where the evidence was collected, the reason the evidence was collected, relevant serial numbers, a description of the evidence,
    and the method that was used to collect the evidence. The log should also include signatures of the people who were in possession of the evidence, the date and time the evidence was transferred, the manner in which the evidence was transferred, and the
    security conditions while the evidence was being handled or stored.

    Any time evidence is examined by a forensic technician, the examiner must list everyone who came in contact with the evidence and everything that was done to the evidence.

    [quote off]

    Note there is nothing in that description that indicates the first person in the chain must be able to
    identify the item in question. Imagine how ridiculous it would be if Gil's Rules of Evidence were
    applied to a crime scene where blood splatter evidence was collected and tested for DNA. Are
    we supposed to believe that the officer at the scene would have to be able to identify the drop of
    blood as the one he collected at the scene? Of course not. That would be ridiculous. It is only
    necessary to document who collected the evidence and everyone who took possession of the
    evidence as it passed from one person to another and how the evidence was secured.

    Of course all of this is moot as it pertains to Boone because Boone was never in the chain of
    custody and therefore, his identification of the rifle is not necessary. It would only have been
    necessary for Boone to testify that he found the rifle and who took possession of it at the scene.

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  • From Gil Jesus@21:1/5 to John Corbett on Sat Aug 5 06:06:08 2023
    On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 6:48:19 AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:

    Much of the main evidence against Oswald was never positively identified by the person who found it.
    Damn, you're a dumbfuck.

    AND YOU'RE A GOD-DAMNED LIAR.
    That's all you do is lie.
    You lie about the evidence, you lie about what people post.
    You lie about EVERYTHING.

    I've forgotten more about this case than you'll ever know.
    You don't know shit.
    You have no conception about what constitutes proper police procedure.
    You have no conception about what constitutes the rule of law.
    You have no conception of what constitutes evidence.

    60 years and you're still here trying to close the case. You can't deal with the message. You have to attack the messenger.
    That's why you're here. To attack the messenger. You don't give a shit about the evidence.
    You come in here every day and get your ass kicked by the evidence and cry all the way home.
    Save the drama for your mama.

    Your personal attacks on me or anyone else here are nothing more than a smoke screen to hide your lack of knowledge in the case.

    A dumbfuck ? No, I'm your worst enemy because I take official records and shove the Warren Commission's case right up your ass sideways.
    And you seem to like it, because you keep coming back for more.

    CONGRATULATIONS: YOU ARE THE STUPIDEST MOTHERFUCKER I'VE EVER MET ON LINE.
    And I have been on line for over 20 years.

    And here's a bulletin for you, John:

    NOBODY GIVES A FUCK ABOUT YOUR OPINIONS.

    Trying to reason with you is like trying to explain quantum physics to a third grader.
    YOU'RE JUST THAT FUCKING CLUELESS.

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  • From Steven Galbraith@21:1/5 to John Corbett on Sat Aug 5 06:34:59 2023
    On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 6:48:19 AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 5:49:38 AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 4:57:41 PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    You didn't address what Gil said.

    You lose.
    He never does.
    As usual, he hasn't refuted one single thing that I've said.
    You're full of shit, Gil. I refuted everything you said. None of the below items was needed to do
    that because your problem is your illogical thinking and those items aren't needed to do that.
    No citations
    No documents
    No testimony
    No exhibits
    No witness videos
    No photographs
    No links

    Time for another spanking.

    During his testimony, Boone was shown the CE 139 rifle and asked if it was the rifle he found and he could not positively identify it. The video corroborates his testimony.

    https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/WC_Vol3_294-boone.gif

    Boone's identification of the rifle isn't needed to establish its authenticity because he never
    handled the rifle. Day was the one who took possession of the rifle. Day establishes it was
    the rifle found in the TSBD, not Boone. You are making a red herring argument by pointing out
    Boone couldn't make a positive ID of the rifle.

    Much of the main evidence against Oswald was never positively identified by the person who found it.
    Damn, you're a dumbfuck.
    This includes the four Tippit shells, the three shells found on the sixth floor, the "stretcher bullet" CE 399, the "tannish-grey" jacket and the C 2766 rifle.

    None of these items were ever positively identified by the persons who found them.

    Keep those red herrings coming, Gil. You know nothing about the chain of custody rules.
    Without these positive identifications, the prosecution's case is weakened because it cannot prove that the items currently in evidence are the same items the witnesses found.
    You get stupider by the day, Gil. The world doesn't operate by Gil's Rules of Evidence.

    And the fact that all of these same items were also originally described as something else, not only makes positive identification by their finders imperative, it leaves open the possibility that there was evidence tampering by authorities and that
    the items in evidence may have been substituted for the items originally found.
    Keep inventing excuses for disregarding the evidence that proves Oswald was the assassin. It's
    all you're really good for.

    Positive identification by the persons who found the evidence would eliminate any possibility of witness tampering by authorities.

    Even that is illogical.
    And THAT'S why you have them mark the evidence for later identification.

    How do we explain five main pieces of evidence, found in different locations and at different times, and all originally described as something else, not positively identified by the people who found them ?
    The key point in chain of custody is who took possession of them. You think you are an authority
    on rules of evidence and you're not. You're just a dumbass pounding away at a keyboard.

    A coincidence ? Five coincidences ?

    No. IMO, this is prima facie evidence of tampering by police.
    That's because you have no idea what legally constitutes evidence. HINT: Your FUBAR figuring
    is not evidence.

    "Don't believe the so-called evidence" ---- Lee Harvey Oswald to his brother Robert.
    And because you're a dumbass, you believe what the assassin said. Everybody else was lying.

    Rather than going by Gil's Rules of Evidence, let's turn to a competent source.

    https://www.justcriminallaw.com/criminal-charges-questions/2020/08/26/chain-custody-important-criminal-case/

    The following excerpt briefly describes the chain of custody procedures:

    [quote on]

    What Is Included in an Evidence Log?

    To prove chain of custody at trial, law enforcement must be able to identify, at all times in the chain of custody, a particular person who is in control of a piece of evidence. This is done through an evidence log.

    A typical evidence log will include the date and time the evidence was collected, the name of the investigator, the location where the evidence was collected, the reason the evidence was collected, relevant serial numbers, a description of the evidence,
    and the method that was used to collect the evidence. The log should also include signatures of the people who were in possession of the evidence, the date and time the evidence was transferred, the manner in which the evidence was transferred, and the
    security conditions while the evidence was being handled or stored.

    Any time evidence is examined by a forensic technician, the examiner must list everyone who came in contact with the evidence and everything that was done to the evidence.

    [quote off]

    Note there is nothing in that description that indicates the first person in the chain must be able to
    identify the item in question. Imagine how ridiculous it would be if Gil's Rules of Evidence were
    applied to a crime scene where blood splatter evidence was collected and tested for DNA. Are
    we supposed to believe that the officer at the scene would have to be able to identify the drop of
    blood as the one he collected at the scene? Of course not. That would be ridiculous. It is only
    necessary to document who collected the evidence and everyone who took possession of the
    evidence as it passed from one person to another and how the evidence was secured.

    Of course all of this is moot as it pertains to Boone because Boone was never in the chain of
    custody and therefore, his identification of the rifle is not necessary. It would only have been
    necessary for Boone to testify that he found the rifle and who took possession of it at the scene.
    He likes to play both defense attorney for Oswald *and* presiding judge over Oswald's trial. So as defense attorney he raises objections to the evidence and then rules in favor of the objection as the judge. Surprise, the judge rules in favor of Oswald's
    attorney every time. Neat trick. Dumb but neat.
    And to make it even more risible, he says the "Russians got it right" in their investigation of the murder. Even though he later admitted he knew nothing about that investigation. Did the Soviets use proper legal procedures, rely on standards of evidence?
    These are communists, they don't believe in such principles. But he doesn't care.

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  • From John Corbett@21:1/5 to Gil Jesus on Sat Aug 5 07:06:01 2023
    On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 9:06:10 AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 6:48:19 AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:

    Much of the main evidence against Oswald was never positively identified by the person who found it.
    Damn, you're a dumbfuck.
    AND YOU'RE A GOD-DAMNED LIAR.
    That's all you do is lie.
    You lie about the evidence, you lie about what people post.
    You lie about EVERYTHING.

    I've forgotten more about this case than you'll ever know.
    You don't know shit.
    You have no conception about what constitutes proper police procedure.
    You have no conception about what constitutes the rule of law.
    You have no conception of what constitutes evidence.

    60 years and you're still here trying to close the case. You can't deal with the message. You have to attack the messenger.
    That's why you're here. To attack the messenger. You don't give a shit about the evidence.
    You come in here every day and get your ass kicked by the evidence and cry all the way home.
    Save the drama for your mama.

    Your personal attacks on me or anyone else here are nothing more than a smoke screen to hide your lack of knowledge in the case.

    A dumbfuck ? No, I'm your worst enemy because I take official records and shove the Warren Commission's case right up your ass sideways.
    And you seem to like it, because you keep coming back for more.

    CONGRATULATIONS: YOU ARE THE STUPIDEST MOTHERFUCKER I'VE EVER MET ON LINE. And I have been on line for over 20 years.

    And here's a bulletin for you, John:

    NOBODY GIVES A FUCK ABOUT YOUR OPINIONS.

    Trying to reason with you is like trying to explain quantum physics to a third grader.
    YOU'RE JUST THAT FUCKING CLUELESS.

    If you wanted to reason with me, a good place to start is with the points I made. Nowhere in
    this latest rant of yours do you even attempt to do that. I pointed out the fallacies of your
    argument. Note I didn't delete them like Yellowpanties does. I leave them out for all to see.
    You have committed two major fallacies in this thread. First and foremost, Boone was never
    part of the chain of custody so it mattered not that he couldn't positively identify the rifle.
    Second, chain of custody is established through documentation, not through marking of a
    piece of evidence which isn't always practicable. In some cases that is done, but it is not a
    necessary step.

    You have a habit of getting very frustrated when someone pokes holes in your arguments.
    That's when you go on rants like you have done here and usually you bail out of the thread
    after doing that. It's your way of taking your ball and going home. Instead of throwing a
    hissy fit, why don't you address the points I made instead.

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  • From John Corbett@21:1/5 to All on Sat Aug 5 07:51:24 2023
    Still another article on chain-of-custody for the benefit of Gil:

    https://www.thoughtco.com/chain-of-custody-4589132

    Now maybe Gil can explain how Boone's inability to positively identify Oswald's Carcano as the
    one he found on the 6th floor between two rows of boxes violates the procedures explained in
    the above link.

    If Gil disputes the statements made in the above article, perhaps he can cite a more authoritative
    source.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to geowright1963@gmail.com on Mon Aug 7 07:27:13 2023
    On Sat, 5 Aug 2023 07:06:01 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett
    <geowright1963@gmail.com> wrote:


    If you wanted to reason with me, a good place to start is with the points I made.

    Logical fallacies and whining aren't "points" that anyone need care
    about.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to geowright1963@gmail.com on Mon Aug 7 07:26:58 2023
    On Sat, 5 Aug 2023 03:48:17 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett
    <geowright1963@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 5:49:38?AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 4:57:41?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    You didn't address what Gil said.

    You lose.
    He never does.
    As usual, he hasn't refuted one single thing that I've said.


    Logical fallacy deleted. Corbutt proves what Gil states:


    No citations
    No documents
    No testimony
    No exhibits
    No witness videos
    No photographs
    No links

    Time for another spanking.


    And Corbutt is paying the price...


    During his testimony, Boone was shown the CE 139 rifle and asked if it was the rifle he found and he could not positively identify it. The video corroborates his testimony.

    https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/WC_Vol3_294-boone.gif

    Boone's identification of the rifle...


    He not only did *NOT* identify it, he identified a DIFFERENT rifle.


    Much of the main evidence against Oswald was never positively identified by the person who found it.


    Logical fallacy deleted. Corbutt somehow believes logical fallacies
    will convince people.


    This includes the four Tippit shells, the three shells found on the sixth floor, the "stretcher bullet" CE 399, the "tannish-grey" jacket and the C 2766 rifle.

    None of these items were ever positively identified by the persons who found them.


    Logical fallacy deleted.


    Without these positive identifications, the prosecution's case is weakened because it cannot prove that the items currently in evidence are the same items the witnesses found.


    Logical fallacy deleted.


    And the fact that all of these same items were also originally described as something else, not only makes positive identification by their finders imperative, it leaves open the possibility that there was evidence tampering by authorities and that
    the items in evidence may have been substituted for the items originally found.


    Logical fallacy deleted.


    Positive identification by the persons who found the evidence would eliminate any possibility of witness tampering by authorities.


    Illogical fallacy deleted.


    And THAT'S why you have them mark the evidence for later identification.

    How do we explain five main pieces of evidence, found in different locations and at different times, and all originally described as something else, not positively identified by the people who found them ?


    Logical fallacy deleted.


    A coincidence ? Five coincidences ?

    No. IMO, this is prima facie evidence of tampering by police.


    Logical fallacy deleted.


    "Don't believe the so-called evidence" ---- Lee Harvey Oswald to his brother Robert.


    Logical fallacy deleted.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to stevemgalbraith@yahoo.com on Mon Aug 7 07:27:34 2023
    On Sat, 5 Aug 2023 06:34:59 -0700 (PDT), Steven Galbraith <stevemgalbraith@yahoo.com> wrote:

    He likes to play both defense attorney for Oswald ...

    As this moron enjoys being the prosecutor who DARES NOT debate with
    the defense counsel.

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  • From Mark Ulrik@21:1/5 to All on Mon Aug 7 09:01:00 2023
    mandag den 7. august 2023 kl. 17.54.40 UTC+2 skrev Bud:
    On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 10:27:38 AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Sat, 5 Aug 2023 06:34:59 -0700 (PDT), Steven Galbraith <stevemg...@yahoo.com> wrote:

    He likes to play both defense attorney for Oswald ...

    As this moron enjoys being the prosecutor who DARES NOT debate with
    the defense counsel.
    Ben`s idea of "debate" is to remove everything his opponent writes.

    Could you imagine the idiot running a moderated board?

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  • From Bud@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Mon Aug 7 08:54:39 2023
    On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 10:27:38 AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Sat, 5 Aug 2023 06:34:59 -0700 (PDT), Steven Galbraith <stevemg...@yahoo.com> wrote:

    He likes to play both defense attorney for Oswald ...

    As this moron enjoys being the prosecutor who DARES NOT debate with
    the defense counsel.

    Ben`s idea of "debate" is to remove everything his opponent writes.

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  • From Bud@21:1/5 to Mark Ulrik on Mon Aug 7 11:15:43 2023
    On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 12:01:02 PM UTC-4, Mark Ulrik wrote:
    mandag den 7. august 2023 kl. 17.54.40 UTC+2 skrev Bud:
    On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 10:27:38 AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Sat, 5 Aug 2023 06:34:59 -0700 (PDT), Steven Galbraith <stevemg...@yahoo.com> wrote:

    He likes to play both defense attorney for Oswald ...

    As this moron enjoys being the prosecutor who DARES NOT debate with
    the defense counsel.
    Ben`s idea of "debate" is to remove everything his opponent writes.
    Could you imagine the idiot running a moderated board?

    That went over like a lead balloon, didn`t it?

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  • From John Corbett@21:1/5 to Bud on Mon Aug 7 11:18:14 2023
    On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 11:54:40 AM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
    On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 10:27:38 AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Sat, 5 Aug 2023 06:34:59 -0700 (PDT), Steven Galbraith <stevemg...@yahoo.com> wrote:

    He likes to play both defense attorney for Oswald ...

    As this moron enjoys being the prosecutor who DARES NOT debate with
    the defense counsel.
    Ben`s idea of "debate" is to remove everything his opponent writes.

    Then he wonders why I won't respond to him anymore. What's the point when all he does is
    delete the points I have made.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to geowright1963@gmail.com on Mon Aug 7 11:31:00 2023
    On Mon, 7 Aug 2023 11:18:14 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett
    <geowright1963@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 11:54:40?AM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
    On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 10:27:38?AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Sat, 5 Aug 2023 06:34:59 -0700 (PDT), Steven Galbraith
    <stevemg...@yahoo.com> wrote:

    He likes to play both defense attorney for Oswald ...

    As this moron enjoys being the prosecutor who DARES NOT debate with
    the defense counsel.

    Ben`s idea of "debate" is to remove everything his opponent writes.

    Then he wonders why I won't respond to him anymore. What's the point when all he does is
    delete the points I have made.

    You can run, Corbutt - but you can't hide. It's a simple FACT that I
    simply delete logical fallacies. If you cannot address what I post,
    or use nonsense - I've no responsibility whatsoever to answer.

    *YOU*, on the other hand, *DO* have a responsibility to defend
    Bugliosi, to defend the WCR, to defend Posner, etc.

    But you can't.

    So you simply run away.

    There isn't a *SINGLE* believer in this forum that has addressed all
    of my refutations of Buglioisi's claims. And **NONE** of the
    responses were credible.

    Run coward... RUN!

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  • From Bud@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Mon Aug 7 14:02:17 2023
    On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 2:31:03 PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Mon, 7 Aug 2023 11:18:14 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett
    <geowri...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 11:54:40?AM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
    On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 10:27:38?AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Sat, 5 Aug 2023 06:34:59 -0700 (PDT), Steven Galbraith
    <stevemg...@yahoo.com> wrote:

    He likes to play both defense attorney for Oswald ...

    As this moron enjoys being the prosecutor who DARES NOT debate with
    the defense counsel.

    Ben`s idea of "debate" is to remove everything his opponent writes.

    Then he wonders why I won't respond to him anymore. What's the point when all he does is
    delete the points I have made.
    You can run, Corbutt - but you can't hide. It's a simple FACT that I
    simply delete logical fallacies.

    No, it isn`t.

    If you cannot address what I post,
    or use nonsense - I've no responsibility whatsoever to answer.

    *YOU*, on the other hand, *DO* have a responsibility to defend
    Bugliosi, to defend the WCR, to defend Posner, etc.

    Nonsense.

    But you can't.

    So you simply run away.

    There isn't a *SINGLE* believer in this forum that has addressed all
    of my refutations of Buglioisi's claims. And **NONE** of the
    responses were credible.

    Ben plays crooked games them elects himself arbiter of the crooked games.

    Run coward... RUN!

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  • From John Corbett@21:1/5 to Bud on Mon Aug 7 14:20:01 2023
    On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 5:02:19 PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
    On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 2:31:03 PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Mon, 7 Aug 2023 11:18:14 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett <geowri...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 11:54:40?AM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
    On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 10:27:38?AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Sat, 5 Aug 2023 06:34:59 -0700 (PDT), Steven Galbraith
    <stevemg...@yahoo.com> wrote:

    He likes to play both defense attorney for Oswald ...

    As this moron enjoys being the prosecutor who DARES NOT debate with >>> the defense counsel.

    Ben`s idea of "debate" is to remove everything his opponent writes.

    Then he wonders why I won't respond to him anymore. What's the point when all he does is
    delete the points I have made.
    You can run, Corbutt - but you can't hide. It's a simple FACT that I simply delete logical fallacies.
    No, it isn`t.
    If you cannot address what I post,
    or use nonsense - I've no responsibility whatsoever to answer.

    *YOU*, on the other hand, *DO* have a responsibility to defend
    Bugliosi, to defend the WCR, to defend Posner, etc.
    Nonsense.
    But you can't.

    So you simply run away.

    There isn't a *SINGLE* believer in this forum that has addressed all
    of my refutations of Buglioisi's claims. And **NONE** of the
    responses were credible.
    Ben plays crooked games them elects himself arbiter of the crooked games.

    Kind of the acj version of Judge Roy Bean.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to geowright1963@gmail.com on Mon Aug 7 14:36:24 2023
    On Mon, 7 Aug 2023 14:20:01 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett
    <geowright1963@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 5:02:19?PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
    On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 2:31:03?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Mon, 7 Aug 2023 11:18:14 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett
    <geowri...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 11:54:40?AM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
    On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 10:27:38?AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Sat, 5 Aug 2023 06:34:59 -0700 (PDT), Steven Galbraith
    <stevemg...@yahoo.com> wrote:

    He likes to play both defense attorney for Oswald ...

    As this moron enjoys being the prosecutor who DARES NOT debate with >>>>>> the defense counsel.

    Ben`s idea of "debate" is to remove everything his opponent writes.

    Then he wonders why I won't respond to him anymore. What's the point when all he does is
    delete the points I have made.
    You can run, Corbutt - but you can't hide. It's a simple FACT that I
    simply delete logical fallacies.
    No, it isn`t.
    If you cannot address what I post,
    or use nonsense - I've no responsibility whatsoever to answer.

    *YOU*, on the other hand, *DO* have a responsibility to defend
    Bugliosi, to defend the WCR, to defend Posner, etc.
    Nonsense.
    But you can't.

    So you simply run away.

    There isn't a *SINGLE* believer in this forum that has addressed all
    of my refutations of Buglioisi's claims. And **NONE** of the
    responses were credible.
    Ben plays crooked games them elects himself arbiter of the crooked games.

    Kind of the acj version of Judge Roy Bean.

    As Huckster points out: Curiously, you posted no evidence. no
    citations, no documents, no testimony, no exhibits, no witness videos.

    Only comments. We gain nothing from the above.

    Which makes who exactly the fool?

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  • From Bud@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Mon Aug 7 15:47:29 2023
    On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 5:36:27 PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Mon, 7 Aug 2023 14:20:01 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett
    <geowri...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 5:02:19?PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
    On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 2:31:03?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Mon, 7 Aug 2023 11:18:14 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett
    <geowri...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 11:54:40?AM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
    On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 10:27:38?AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote: >>>>>> On Sat, 5 Aug 2023 06:34:59 -0700 (PDT), Steven Galbraith
    <stevemg...@yahoo.com> wrote:

    He likes to play both defense attorney for Oswald ...

    As this moron enjoys being the prosecutor who DARES NOT debate with >>>>>> the defense counsel.

    Ben`s idea of "debate" is to remove everything his opponent writes. >>>>
    Then he wonders why I won't respond to him anymore. What's the point when all he does is
    delete the points I have made.
    You can run, Corbutt - but you can't hide. It's a simple FACT that I
    simply delete logical fallacies.
    No, it isn`t.
    If you cannot address what I post,
    or use nonsense - I've no responsibility whatsoever to answer.

    *YOU*, on the other hand, *DO* have a responsibility to defend
    Bugliosi, to defend the WCR, to defend Posner, etc.
    Nonsense.
    But you can't.

    So you simply run away.

    There isn't a *SINGLE* believer in this forum that has addressed all
    of my refutations of Buglioisi's claims. And **NONE** of the
    responses were credible.
    Ben plays crooked games them elects himself arbiter of the crooked games. >>
    Kind of the acj version of Judge Roy Bean.
    As Huckster points out: Curiously, you posted no evidence. no
    citations, no documents, no testimony, no exhibits, no witness videos.

    It was an observation about the way you operate, stupid.

    Only comments. We gain nothing from the above.

    If you want better responses make better posts.

    Which makes who exactly the fool?

    Still you.

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  • From David Healy@21:1/5 to John Corbett on Mon Aug 7 16:08:38 2023
    On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 7:06:03 AM UTC-7, John Corbett wrote:
    On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 9:06:10 AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 6:48:19 AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:

    Much of the main evidence against Oswald was never positively identified by the person who found it.
    Damn, you're a dumbfuck.
    AND YOU'RE A GOD-DAMNED LIAR.
    That's all you do is lie.
    You lie about the evidence, you lie about what people post.
    You lie about EVERYTHING.

    I've forgotten more about this case than you'll ever know.
    You don't know shit.
    You have no conception about what constitutes proper police procedure.
    You have no conception about what constitutes the rule of law.
    You have no conception of what constitutes evidence.

    60 years and you're still here trying to close the case. You can't deal with the message. You have to attack the messenger.
    That's why you're here. To attack the messenger. You don't give a shit about the evidence.
    You come in here every day and get your ass kicked by the evidence and cry all the way home.
    Save the drama for your mama.

    Your personal attacks on me or anyone else here are nothing more than a smoke screen to hide your lack of knowledge in the case.

    A dumbfuck ? No, I'm your worst enemy because I take official records and shove the Warren Commission's case right up your ass sideways.
    And you seem to like it, because you keep coming back for more.

    CONGRATULATIONS: YOU ARE THE STUPIDEST MOTHERFUCKER I'VE EVER MET ON LINE. And I have been on line for over 20 years.

    And here's a bulletin for you, John:

    NOBODY GIVES A FUCK ABOUT YOUR OPINIONS.

    Trying to reason with you is like trying to explain quantum physics to a third grader.
    YOU'RE JUST THAT FUCKING CLUELESS.
    If you wanted to reason with me, a good place to start is with the points I made. Nowhere in
    this latest rant of yours do you even attempt to do that. I pointed out the fallacies of your
    argument. Note I didn't delete them like Yellowpanties does. I leave them out for all to see.
    You have committed two major fallacies in this thread. First and foremost, Boone was never
    part of the chain of custody so it mattered not that he couldn't positively identify the rifle.
    Second, chain of custody is established through documentation, not through marking of a
    piece of evidence which isn't always practicable. In some cases that is done, but it is not a
    necessary step.

    You have a habit of getting very frustrated when someone pokes holes in your arguments.
    That's when you go on rants like you have done here and usually you bail out of the thread
    after doing that. It's your way of taking your ball and going home. Instead of throwing a
    hissy fit, why don't you address the points I made instead.

    ahhhh, why in the conservative fuck would anyone, ANYONE want to reason with a raging, disenfranchised loon neuter? What is your sceanrio concerning same, dufus?

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  • From Mark Ulrik@21:1/5 to All on Mon Aug 7 16:24:03 2023
    mandag den 7. august 2023 kl. 20.15.45 UTC+2 skrev Bud:
    On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 12:01:02 PM UTC-4, Mark Ulrik wrote:
    mandag den 7. august 2023 kl. 17.54.40 UTC+2 skrev Bud:
    On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 10:27:38 AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Sat, 5 Aug 2023 06:34:59 -0700 (PDT), Steven Galbraith <stevemg...@yahoo.com> wrote:

    He likes to play both defense attorney for Oswald ...

    As this moron enjoys being the prosecutor who DARES NOT debate with the defense counsel.
    Ben`s idea of "debate" is to remove everything his opponent writes.
    Could you imagine the idiot running a moderated board?
    That went over like a lead balloon, didn`t it?

    Too many things go straight over the old head nowadays. It's just ironic that it brings Ben so much pleasure to censor other people, considering how heavy-handed he found McAdams' moderation.

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  • From Bud@21:1/5 to Mark Ulrik on Mon Aug 7 16:44:37 2023
    On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 7:24:05 PM UTC-4, Mark Ulrik wrote:
    mandag den 7. august 2023 kl. 20.15.45 UTC+2 skrev Bud:
    On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 12:01:02 PM UTC-4, Mark Ulrik wrote:
    mandag den 7. august 2023 kl. 17.54.40 UTC+2 skrev Bud:
    On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 10:27:38 AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Sat, 5 Aug 2023 06:34:59 -0700 (PDT), Steven Galbraith <stevemg...@yahoo.com> wrote:

    He likes to play both defense attorney for Oswald ...

    As this moron enjoys being the prosecutor who DARES NOT debate with the defense counsel.
    Ben`s idea of "debate" is to remove everything his opponent writes.
    Could you imagine the idiot running a moderated board?
    That went over like a lead balloon, didn`t it?
    Too many things go straight over the old head nowadays.

    I was referring to Ben`s attempt to run a moderated board. You were on there, and closed out your account.

    I remember Bob Harris tried to run a moderated forum. Tried to dictate what could be discussed (his ideas, of course). Only LNers can really run a moderated board fairly, CTers are too delusional.

    It's just ironic that it brings Ben so much pleasure to censor other people, considering how heavy-handed he found McAdams' moderation.

    They always tried to play the victim when it came to moderation there. I had a slew of posts rejected there, some I felt unfairly but most were fair. The thing that would get you rejected most often was insulting other posters. Not being able to insult
    other posters doesn`t leave Ben with much.

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  • From Mark Ulrik@21:1/5 to All on Mon Aug 7 17:29:40 2023
    tirsdag den 8. august 2023 kl. 01.44.39 UTC+2 skrev Bud:
    On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 7:24:05 PM UTC-4, Mark Ulrik wrote:
    mandag den 7. august 2023 kl. 20.15.45 UTC+2 skrev Bud:
    On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 12:01:02 PM UTC-4, Mark Ulrik wrote:
    mandag den 7. august 2023 kl. 17.54.40 UTC+2 skrev Bud:
    On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 10:27:38 AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Sat, 5 Aug 2023 06:34:59 -0700 (PDT), Steven Galbraith <stevemg...@yahoo.com> wrote:

    He likes to play both defense attorney for Oswald ...

    As this moron enjoys being the prosecutor who DARES NOT debate with
    the defense counsel.
    Ben`s idea of "debate" is to remove everything his opponent writes.
    Could you imagine the idiot running a moderated board?
    That went over like a lead balloon, didn`t it?
    Too many things go straight over the old head nowadays.
    I was referring to Ben`s attempt to run a moderated board. You were on there, and closed out your account.

    Geez, I didn't think anyone would remember that. The environment was so toxic that even Healy refused to join.

    I remember Bob Harris tried to run a moderated forum. Tried to dictate what could be discussed (his ideas, of course). Only LNers can really run a moderated board fairly, CTers are too delusional.
    It's just ironic that it brings Ben so much pleasure to censor other people, considering how heavy-handed he found McAdams' moderation.
    They always tried to play the victim when it came to moderation there. I had a slew of posts rejected there, some I felt unfairly but most were fair. The thing that would get you rejected most often was insulting other posters. Not being able to insult
    other posters doesn`t leave Ben with much.

    I didn't mind the moderation as such, but it took forever for my posts to clear because I was an infrequent poster and not part of the buddy system.

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  • From Bud@21:1/5 to Mark Ulrik on Mon Aug 7 17:58:41 2023
    On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 8:29:42 PM UTC-4, Mark Ulrik wrote:
    tirsdag den 8. august 2023 kl. 01.44.39 UTC+2 skrev Bud:
    On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 7:24:05 PM UTC-4, Mark Ulrik wrote:
    mandag den 7. august 2023 kl. 20.15.45 UTC+2 skrev Bud:
    On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 12:01:02 PM UTC-4, Mark Ulrik wrote:
    mandag den 7. august 2023 kl. 17.54.40 UTC+2 skrev Bud:
    On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 10:27:38 AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Sat, 5 Aug 2023 06:34:59 -0700 (PDT), Steven Galbraith <stevemg...@yahoo.com> wrote:

    He likes to play both defense attorney for Oswald ...

    As this moron enjoys being the prosecutor who DARES NOT debate with
    the defense counsel.
    Ben`s idea of "debate" is to remove everything his opponent writes.
    Could you imagine the idiot running a moderated board?
    That went over like a lead balloon, didn`t it?
    Too many things go straight over the old head nowadays.
    I was referring to Ben`s attempt to run a moderated board. You were on there, and closed out your account.
    Geez, I didn't think anyone would remember that. The environment was so toxic that even Healy refused to join.

    I watched your whole drama there unfold, predictable as it was.

    I remember Bob Harris tried to run a moderated forum. Tried to dictate what could be discussed (his ideas, of course). Only LNers can really run a moderated board fairly, CTers are too delusional.
    It's just ironic that it brings Ben so much pleasure to censor other people, considering how heavy-handed he found McAdams' moderation.
    They always tried to play the victim when it came to moderation there. I had a slew of posts rejected there, some I felt unfairly but most were fair. The thing that would get you rejected most often was insulting other posters. Not being able to
    insult other posters doesn`t leave Ben with much.
    I didn't mind the moderation as such, but it took forever for my posts to clear because I was an infrequent poster and not part of the buddy system.

    Right, I forgot about that. My posts took long most of the time, sometimes a whole day or more and the posts by the people I would argue against would go up quick (might have to do with when I posted and when McAdams went through them). In fact the
    only time my posts were put up quick was the day McAdams died. I was submitting them and he was putting them right up. Then I wrote a long one and it was never posted, probably because reading it killed him.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 11 14:22:36 2023
    On Fri, 4 Aug 2023 10:52:15 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirslick@fast.net>
    wrote:

    On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 1:47:01?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Fri, 4 Aug 2023 10:43:53 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:

    On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 1:13:19?PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 1:07:04?PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
    We learn nothing about a conspiracy to kill JFK from the above.
    Find that 43 inch bag yet ?

    Have you shown the bag in evidence wouldn`t be 43 inches long if the flap was extended?

    Have you shown that Santa Claus isn't moonlighting as the Easter
    Bunny?


    Logical fallacy deleted.

    Chickenshit couldn't answer.

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