• Vincent Bugliosi's 53 Reasons - #50 - Refuted

    From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to All on Tue Aug 1 07:28:37 2023
    (50) Oswald lied about putting a long package into Frazier's car that
    morning.

    It seems tiresome to keep pointing out the obvious.

    1. We don't KNOW what Oswald said - this is hearsay evidence.

    2. We don't KNOW that he had a 'long package' - there's eyewitness
    testimony stating that he did not. And evidence that he ate a lunch
    that he ordinarily brought with him.

    3. We CERTAINLY don't know that any such package was long enough to
    contain a rifle, indeed, the most persuasive and corroborated evidence
    is that it was NOT long enough.

    4. Were we to accept for the sake of argument that Oswald placed a
    "long package" in Frazier's car, then lied about it, how would this
    prove he murdered the President?

    Once again, watch as David Von Pein refuses to defend Vincent
    Bugliosi, and "Bud" refuses to address the issues I just raised...

    Corbutt, of course, long ago decided that he couldn't refute what I
    post, so he ran away when his logical fallacies & lies weren't getting
    him anywhere.

    Huckster simply refuses to post.

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  • From Gil Jesus@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Wed Aug 2 04:40:32 2023
    On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 10:28:44 AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    (50) Oswald lied about putting a long package into Frazier's car that morning.

    It seems tiresome to keep pointing out the obvious.

    1. We don't KNOW what Oswald said - this is hearsay evidence.

    2. We don't KNOW that he had a 'long package' - there's eyewitness
    testimony stating that he did not. And evidence that he ate a lunch
    that he ordinarily brought with him.

    3. We CERTAINLY don't know that any such package was long enough to
    contain a rifle, indeed, the most persuasive and corroborated evidence
    is that it was NOT long enough.

    4. Were we to accept for the sake of argument that Oswald placed a
    "long package" in Frazier's car, then lied about it, how would this
    prove he murdered the President?

    Neither Frazier nor Randle ever described in testimony the package as a "long package".
    That was a term used by Commission Counsel, Capt. Fritz and the FBI in their reports.

    Neither Frazier nor Randle ever identified CE 142 as the "package" they saw.

    There's no evidence that Oswald took a 38 inch "package" to work that morning. NONE.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to gjjmail1202@gmail.com on Wed Aug 2 06:43:03 2023
    On Wed, 2 Aug 2023 04:40:32 -0700 (PDT), Gil Jesus
    <gjjmail1202@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 10:28:44?AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    (50) Oswald lied about putting a long package into Frazier's car that
    morning.

    It seems tiresome to keep pointing out the obvious.

    1. We don't KNOW what Oswald said - this is hearsay evidence.

    2. We don't KNOW that he had a 'long package' - there's eyewitness
    testimony stating that he did not. And evidence that he ate a lunch
    that he ordinarily brought with him.

    3. We CERTAINLY don't know that any such package was long enough to
    contain a rifle, indeed, the most persuasive and corroborated evidence
    is that it was NOT long enough.

    4. Were we to accept for the sake of argument that Oswald placed a
    "long package" in Frazier's car, then lied about it, how would this
    prove he murdered the President?

    Neither Frazier nor Randle ever described in testimony the package as a "long package".
    That was a term used by Commission Counsel, Capt. Fritz and the FBI in their reports.

    Neither Frazier nor Randle ever identified CE 142 as the "package" they saw.

    There's no evidence that Oswald took a 38 inch "package" to work that morning. >NONE.

    Amusingly, this forum's #1 defender of Bugs saw this, and ABSOLUTELY
    REFUSED to defend Bugs.

    That fact tells the tale.

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  • From John Corbett@21:1/5 to Gil Jesus on Wed Aug 2 07:52:34 2023
    On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 7:40:34 AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 10:28:44 AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    (50) Oswald lied about putting a long package into Frazier's car that morning.

    It seems tiresome to keep pointing out the obvious.

    1. We don't KNOW what Oswald said - this is hearsay evidence.

    2. We don't KNOW that he had a 'long package' - there's eyewitness testimony stating that he did not. And evidence that he ate a lunch
    that he ordinarily brought with him.

    3. We CERTAINLY don't know that any such package was long enough to contain a rifle, indeed, the most persuasive and corroborated evidence
    is that it was NOT long enough.

    4. Were we to accept for the sake of argument that Oswald placed a
    "long package" in Frazier's car, then lied about it, how would this
    prove he murdered the President?
    Neither Frazier nor Randle ever described in testimony the package as a "long package".
    That was a term used by Commission Counsel, Capt. Fritz and the FBI in their reports.

    Neither Frazier nor Randle ever identified CE 142 as the "package" they saw.

    There's no evidence that Oswald took a 38 inch "package" to work that morning.
    NONE.

    This is why you need to find a new hobby, Gil. This one requires the ability to think logically.
    When a 38 inch package is found in the TSBD with Oswald's prints on it, that is evidence
    Oswald brought a 38 inch package into work.

    You demand a ridiculous level of proof against Oswald that couldn't be met in this case nor
    any other. Then you turn around and accuse all sorts of people of being complicit in the
    assassination based on nothing more than your silly hunches. Anyone who can look at the
    evidence in this case and not conclude Oswald was the murderer is either a moron or someone
    who wants desperately to believe in an alternate truth, as if such a thing exists.

    There are CTs who accept that Oswald pulled the trigger and fired the shots that killed JFK. A
    theoretical argument for conspiracy with Oswald as the triggerman is at least possible even if
    there is no evidence of any accomplices. One has to be incredibly stupid to think Oswald was
    innocent. You qualify.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to geowright1963@gmail.com on Wed Aug 2 08:03:27 2023
    On Wed, 2 Aug 2023 07:52:34 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett
    <geowright1963@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 7:40:34?AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 10:28:44?AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    (50) Oswald lied about putting a long package into Frazier's car that
    morning.

    It seems tiresome to keep pointing out the obvious.

    1. We don't KNOW what Oswald said - this is hearsay evidence.

    2. We don't KNOW that he had a 'long package' - there's eyewitness
    testimony stating that he did not. And evidence that he ate a lunch
    that he ordinarily brought with him.

    3. We CERTAINLY don't know that any such package was long enough to
    contain a rifle, indeed, the most persuasive and corroborated evidence
    is that it was NOT long enough.

    4. Were we to accept for the sake of argument that Oswald placed a
    "long package" in Frazier's car, then lied about it, how would this
    prove he murdered the President?
    Neither Frazier nor Randle ever described in testimony the package as a "long package".
    That was a term used by Commission Counsel, Capt. Fritz and the FBI in their reports.

    Neither Frazier nor Randle ever identified CE 142 as the "package" they saw. >>
    There's no evidence that Oswald took a 38 inch "package" to work that morning.
    NONE.

    This is why you need to find a new hobby, Gil. This one requires the ability to think logically.


    And it's quite clear that relying on logical fallacies is what one
    does when one doesn't have evidence.


    When a 38 inch package is found in the TSBD with Oswald's prints on it, that is evidence
    Oswald brought a 38 inch package into work.


    Then simply cite the evidence for your assertions.

    Naked unsupported assertions are simply lies, according to
    Chickenshit.

    You wouldn't want to call Chickenshit a liar, would you?

    Yet clearly, he's called *YOU* a liar...


    You demand a ridiculous level of proof against Oswald that couldn't be met in this case nor
    any other.

    This, of course, is a blatant lie. Gil is pointing out that ORDINARY
    LEGAL PROCESS wasn't followed in this case.

    The fact that you have to blatantly lie shows that *YOU* know you've
    lost.


    Then you turn around and accuse all sorts of people of being complicit in the >assassination based on nothing more than your silly hunches.


    Yet you can't name even *one." Once again, you're simply lying.


    Logical fallacies deleted. The fact that you have to rely on logical
    fallacies shows that you simply don't have the evidence.

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  • From BT George@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Wed Aug 2 09:08:45 2023
    On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 10:03:32 AM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Wed, 2 Aug 2023 07:52:34 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett
    <geowri...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 7:40:34?AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 10:28:44?AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    (50) Oswald lied about putting a long package into Frazier's car that >>> morning.

    It seems tiresome to keep pointing out the obvious.

    1. We don't KNOW what Oswald said - this is hearsay evidence.

    2. We don't KNOW that he had a 'long package' - there's eyewitness
    testimony stating that he did not. And evidence that he ate a lunch
    that he ordinarily brought with him.

    3. We CERTAINLY don't know that any such package was long enough to
    contain a rifle, indeed, the most persuasive and corroborated evidence >>> is that it was NOT long enough.

    4. Were we to accept for the sake of argument that Oswald placed a
    "long package" in Frazier's car, then lied about it, how would this
    prove he murdered the President?
    Neither Frazier nor Randle ever described in testimony the package as a "long package".
    That was a term used by Commission Counsel, Capt. Fritz and the FBI in their reports.

    Neither Frazier nor Randle ever identified CE 142 as the "package" they saw.

    There's no evidence that Oswald took a 38 inch "package" to work that morning.
    NONE.

    This is why you need to find a new hobby, Gil. This one requires the ability to think logically.
    And it's quite clear that relying on logical fallacies is what one
    does when one doesn't have evidence.
    When a 38 inch package is found in the TSBD with Oswald's prints on it, that is evidence
    Oswald brought a 38 inch package into work.
    Then simply cite the evidence for your assertions.

    Naked unsupported assertions are simply lies, according to
    Chickenshit.

    You wouldn't want to call Chickenshit a liar, would you?

    Yet clearly, he's called *YOU* a liar...
    You demand a ridiculous level of proof against Oswald that couldn't be met in this case nor
    any other.
    This, of course, is a blatant lie. Gil is pointing out that ORDINARY
    LEGAL PROCESS wasn't followed in this case.

    The fact that you have to blatantly lie shows that *YOU* know you've
    lost.
    Then you turn around and accuse all sorts of people of being complicit in the
    assassination based on nothing more than your silly hunches.
    Yet you can't name even *one." Once again, you're simply lying.


    Then please tell us who *did* do it? C'mon beb. The whole WORLD wants to know. Just say it right here_________. Sorry, the word "they" automatically = "The dog ate my homework."

    Logical fallacies deleted. The fact that you have to rely on logical fallacies shows that you simply don't have the evidence.

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