Another psycho-paranoid rant by the king of "shitposting"
https://deeppoliticsforum.com/fora/thread-16339.html
It'd kind of silly anyway. Proving where Oswald was at 12:15 or at 12:25 does not prove where he was at 12:30.
On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 4:59:31 AM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:another: stock from action.....you need to verify that your POA and POI are still the same as before the "disturbance!"
It'd kind of silly anyway. Proving where Oswald was at 12:15 or at 12:25 does not prove where he was at 12:30.But you have to have him on the sixth floor reassembling the rifle, then scoping it in, all before 12:30.
If he's on the first floor at 12:25, there's not enough time for him to do all that and fire the shots at 12:30.
The reassembling of the rifle alone took the FBI six minutes to complete. ( 2 H 252 )
Another reason why that rifle was not the murder weapon was that once it was reassembled, it had to be scoped in.
"You absolutely do need to re-zero your rifle after taking the action out of the stock for any reason at all. It may not require anything more than a few "clicks" in elevation or windage, but things change whenever you separate the components from one-
https://www.savageshooters.com/showthread.php?41015-do-i-have-to-re-sight-in-after-removing-a-stock
In order to do that required a test firing of at least 10 shots. ( 11 H 308 ) Which was not done in Dealey Plaza.
In other words, this rifle was never disassembled.
On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 4:50:56 AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
Another psycho-paranoid rant by the king of "shitposting"
https://deeppoliticsforum.com/fora/thread-16339.htmlIt'd kind of silly anyway. Proving where Oswald was at 12:15 or at 12:25 does not prove where he was at 12:30.
On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 4:59:31 AM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
It'd kind of silly anyway. Proving where Oswald was at 12:15 or at 12:25 does not prove where he was at 12:30.But you have to have him on the sixth floor reassembling the rifle, then scoping it in, all before 12:30.
If he's on the first floor at 12:25, there's not enough time for him to do all that and fire the shots at 12:30.
The reassembling of the rifle alone took the FBI six minutes to complete. ( 2 H 252 )
Another reason why that rifle was not the murder weapon was that once it was reassembled, it had to be scoped in.another: stock from action.....you need to verify that your POA and POI are still the same as before the "disturbance!"
"You absolutely do need to re-zero your rifle after taking the action out of the stock for any reason at all. It may not require anything more than a few "clicks" in elevation or windage, but things change whenever you separate the components from one-
https://www.savageshooters.com/showthread.php?41015-do-i-have-to-re-sight-in-after-removing-a-stock
In order to do that required a test firing of at least 10 shots. ( 11 H 308 ) Which was not done in Dealey Plaza.
In other words, this rifle was never disassembled.
On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 4:59:31 AM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:another: stock from action.....you need to verify that your POA and POI are still the same as before the "disturbance!"
It'd kind of silly anyway. Proving where Oswald was at 12:15 or at 12:25 does not prove where he was at 12:30.But you have to have him on the sixth floor reassembling the rifle, then scoping it in, all before 12:30.
If he's on the first floor at 12:25, there's not enough time for him to do all that and fire the shots at 12:30.
The reassembling of the rifle alone took the FBI six minutes to complete. ( 2 H 252 )
Another reason why that rifle was not the murder weapon was that once it was reassembled, it had to be scoped in.
"You absolutely do need to re-zero your rifle after taking the action out of the stock for any reason at all. It may not require anything more than a few "clicks" in elevation or windage, but things change whenever you separate the components from one-
https://www.savageshooters.com/showthread.php?41015-do-i-have-to-re-sight-in-after-removing-a-stock
In order to do that required a test firing of at least 10 shots. ( 11 H 308 ) Which was not done in Dealey Plaza.
In other words, this rifle was never disassembled.
On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 8:09:59 AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
Amazing that a crack researcher like you doesn't consider the possibility he could haveI don't deal in possibilites, I deal in evidence.
assembled the rifle any time that morning
If you have evidence Oswald assembled the rifle at "any time that morning", state your source.
All of that is necessary if you need pinpoint accuracy. That would be necessary if one was in a shooting competition or trying to hit a target at a much greater range. At the short range OswaldSource ?
was firing at, a perfectly aligned scope was not necessary.
Separating the muzzle and scope from the woodstock is not going to throw the scope completely out of whack.I just posted a link that saiud that's not true.
Source ?
In other words, this rifle was never disassembled.
Oswald's palm print on the underside of the barrel says otherwise. It could only have beenThe Chief says the rifle wasn't disassembled and the "gunsack" was long enough to hold the rifle intact.
placed there with the rifle disassembled.
https://youtu.be/SaMWaevbiME
Amazing that a crack researcher like you doesn't consider the possibility he could have
assembled the rifle any time that morning
All of that is necessary if you need pinpoint accuracy. That would be necessary if one was in a shooting competition or trying to hit a target at a much greater range. At the short range Oswald
was firing at, a perfectly aligned scope was not necessary.
Separating the muzzle and scope from the woodstock is not going to throw the scope completely out of whack.
In other words, this rifle was never disassembled.
Oswald's palm print on the underside of the barrel says otherwise. It could only have been
placed there with the rifle disassembled.
On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 8:09:59 AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
Amazing that a crack researcher like you doesn't consider the possibility he could haveI don't deal in possibilites, I deal in evidence.
assembled the rifle any time that morning
If you have evidence Oswald assembled the rifle at "any time that morning", state your source.
All of that is necessary if you need pinpoint accuracy. That would be necessary if one was in a shooting competition or trying to hit a target at a much greater range. At the short range OswaldSource ?
was firing at, a perfectly aligned scope was not necessary.
Separating the muzzle and scope from the woodstock is not going to throw the scope completely out of whack.I just posted a link that saiud that's not true.
Source ?
In other words, this rifle was never disassembled.
Oswald's palm print on the underside of the barrel says otherwise. It could only have beenThe Chief says the rifle wasn't disassembled and the "gunsack" was long enough to hold the rifle intact.
placed there with the rifle disassembled.
https://youtu.be/SaMWaevbiME
On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 8:35:04 AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 8:09:59 AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
Amazing that a crack researcher like you doesn't consider the possibility he could haveI don't deal in possibilites, I deal in evidence.
assembled the rifle any time that morning
If you have evidence Oswald assembled the rifle at "any time that morning", state your source.
All of that is necessary if you need pinpoint accuracy. That would be necessary if one was in a shooting competition or trying to hit a target at a much greater range. At the short range OswaldSource ?
was firing at, a perfectly aligned scope was not necessary.
Separating the muzzle and scope from the woodstock is not going to throw the scope completely out of whack.I just posted a link that saiud that's not true.
Source ?
In other words, this rifle was never disassembled.
The evidence, this included, seems to indicate that the police did find a bag large enough to hold a fully assembled rifle. That could be the one Ralph Yates saw with Oswald on November 20.Oswald's palm print on the underside of the barrel says otherwise. It could only have beenThe Chief says the rifle wasn't disassembled and the "gunsack" was long enough to hold the rifle intact.
placed there with the rifle disassembled.
https://youtu.be/SaMWaevbiME
On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 8:40:41 AM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 8:35:04 AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 8:09:59 AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
Amazing that a crack researcher like you doesn't consider the possibility he could haveI don't deal in possibilites, I deal in evidence.
assembled the rifle any time that morning
If you have evidence Oswald assembled the rifle at "any time that morning", state your source.
All of that is necessary if you need pinpoint accuracy. That would be necessary if one was in a shooting competition or trying to hit a target at a much greater range. At the short range OswaldSource ?
was firing at, a perfectly aligned scope was not necessary.
Separating the muzzle and scope from the woodstock is not going to throw the scope completely out of whack.I just posted a link that saiud that's not true.
Source ?
In other words, this rifle was never disassembled.
The bag was 38 inches. The rifle was 40 inches. There's a good chance Oswald believed he hadThe evidence, this included, seems to indicate that the police did find a bag large enough to hold a fully assembled rifle. That could be the one Ralph Yates saw with Oswald on November 20.Oswald's palm print on the underside of the barrel says otherwise. It could only have beenThe Chief says the rifle wasn't disassembled and the "gunsack" was long enough to hold the rifle intact.
placed there with the rifle disassembled.
https://youtu.be/SaMWaevbiME
a 36 inch rifle because that was what he ordered. Klein's substituted a 40 inch model which
probably screwed up Oswald. I'll bet he was pissed when he discovered his bag was too short
to conceal his rifle but he made due by disassembling the rifle.
On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 8:09:59 AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
Amazing that a crack researcher like you doesn't consider the possibility he could haveI don't deal in possibilites, I deal in evidence.
assembled the rifle any time that morning
If you have evidence Oswald assembled the rifle at "any time that morning", state your source.
All of that is necessary if you need pinpoint accuracy. That would be necessary if one was in a shooting competition or trying to hit a target at a much greater range. At the short range OswaldSource ?
was firing at, a perfectly aligned scope was not necessary.
Separating the muzzle and scope from the woodstock is not going to throw the scope completely out of whack.I just posted a link that saiud that's not true.
Source ?
In other words, this rifle was never disassembled.
Oswald's palm print on the underside of the barrel says otherwise. It could only have beenThe Chief says the rifle wasn't disassembled and the "gunsack" was long enough to hold the rifle intact.
placed there with the rifle disassembled.
https://youtu.be/SaMWaevbiME
On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 4:59:31 AM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
It'd kind of silly anyway. Proving where Oswald was at 12:15 or at 12:25 does not prove where he was at 12:30.But you have to have him on the sixth floor reassembling the rifle, then scoping it in, all before 12:30.
If he's on the first floor at 12:25, there's not enough time for him to do all that and fire the shots at 12:30.
The reassembling of the rifle alone took the FBI six minutes to complete. ( 2 H 252 )
Another reason why that rifle was not the murder weapon was that once it was reassembled, it had to be scoped in.
"You absolutely do need to re-zero your rifle after taking the action out of the stock for any reason at all. It may not require anything more than a few "clicks" in elevation or windage, but things change whenever you separate the components from one-another: stock from action.....you need to verify that your POA and POI are still the same as before the "disturbance!"
https://www.savageshooters.com/showthread.php?41015-do-i-have-to-re-sight-in-after-removing-a-stock
In order to do that required a test firing of at least 10 shots. ( 11 H 308 ) Which was not done in Dealey Plaza.
In other words, this rifle was never disassembled.
On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 8:09:59 AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
Amazing that a crack researcher like you doesn't consider the possibility he could haveI don't deal in possibilites, I deal in evidence.
assembled the rifle any time that morning
If you have evidence Oswald assembled the rifle at "any time that morning", state your source.
All of that is necessary if you need pinpoint accuracy. That would be necessary if one was in a shooting competition or trying to hit a target at a much greater range. At the short range OswaldSource ?
was firing at, a perfectly aligned scope was not necessary.
Separating the muzzle and scope from the woodstock is not going to throw the scope completely out of whack.I just posted a link that saiud that's not true.
Source ?
In other words, this rifle was never disassembled.
Oswald's palm print on the underside of the barrel says otherwise. It could only have beenThe Chief says the rifle wasn't disassembled and the "gunsack" was long enough to hold the rifle intact.
placed there with the rifle disassembled.
https://youtu.be/SaMWaevbiME
On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 8:35:04 AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 8:09:59 AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
Amazing that a crack researcher like you doesn't consider the possibility he could haveI don't deal in possibilites, I deal in evidence.
assembled the rifle any time that morning
If you have evidence Oswald assembled the rifle at "any time that morning", state your source.
All of that is necessary if you need pinpoint accuracy. That would be necessary if one was in a shooting competition or trying to hit a target at a much greater range. At the short range OswaldSource ?
was firing at, a perfectly aligned scope was not necessary.
Separating the muzzle and scope from the woodstock is not going to throw the scope completely out of whack.I just posted a link that saiud that's not true.
Source ?
In other words, this rifle was never disassembled.
He could be right. How long is the bag with the flap part extended out?Oswald's palm print on the underside of the barrel says otherwise. It could only have beenThe Chief says the rifle wasn't disassembled and the "gunsack" was long enough to hold the rifle intact.
placed there with the rifle disassembled.
https://youtu.be/SaMWaevbiME
I`ve always felt it was possible that the rifle was never disassembled.
On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 6:37:47 PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 8:35:04 AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 8:09:59 AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
Amazing that a crack researcher like you doesn't consider the possibility he could haveI don't deal in possibilites, I deal in evidence.
assembled the rifle any time that morning
If you have evidence Oswald assembled the rifle at "any time that morning", state your source.
All of that is necessary if you need pinpoint accuracy. That would be necessary if one was in a shooting competition or trying to hit a target at a much greater range. At the short range OswaldSource ?
was firing at, a perfectly aligned scope was not necessary.
Separating the muzzle and scope from the woodstock is not going to throw the scope completely out of whack.I just posted a link that saiud that's not true.
Source ?
In other words, this rifle was never disassembled.
He could be right. How long is the bag with the flap part extended out?Oswald's palm print on the underside of the barrel says otherwise. It could only have beenThe Chief says the rifle wasn't disassembled and the "gunsack" was long enough to hold the rifle intact.
placed there with the rifle disassembled.
https://youtu.be/SaMWaevbiME
I`ve always felt it was possible that the rifle was never disassembled.Oswald's palm print on the underside of the barrel indicates the rifle had been disassembled.
It could not have been put there without the rifle having been disassembled. The flaps at the top
and bottom were how the bag was enclosed.
If the flaps were extended out, the bag would not
have been closed.
Think of an ordinary envelope. Would you measure it with the flap open or
closed?
The measurement with the flap closed tells you the maximum size of the contents.
Anything going into the envelope would have to be folded to fit the envelope with the flap
closed.
On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 9:04:45 PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 6:37:47 PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 8:35:04 AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 8:09:59 AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
Amazing that a crack researcher like you doesn't consider the possibility he could haveI don't deal in possibilites, I deal in evidence.
assembled the rifle any time that morning
If you have evidence Oswald assembled the rifle at "any time that morning", state your source.
All of that is necessary if you need pinpoint accuracy. That would be necessary if one was in a shooting competition or trying to hit a target at a much greater range. At the short range OswaldSource ?
was firing at, a perfectly aligned scope was not necessary.
Separating the muzzle and scope from the woodstock is not going to throw the scope completely out of whack.I just posted a link that saiud that's not true.
Source ?
In other words, this rifle was never disassembled.
He could be right. How long is the bag with the flap part extended out?Oswald's palm print on the underside of the barrel says otherwise. It could only have beenThe Chief says the rifle wasn't disassembled and the "gunsack" was long enough to hold the rifle intact.
placed there with the rifle disassembled.
https://youtu.be/SaMWaevbiME
When?I`ve always felt it was possible that the rifle was never disassembled.Oswald's palm print on the underside of the barrel indicates the rifle had been disassembled.
It could not have been put there without the rifle having been disassembled. The flaps at the topYou assume it was enclosed.
and bottom were how the bag was enclosed.
busted even with the flaps down. He only needs to make sure the rifle is not visible to casual observances.If the flaps were extended out, the bag would notI think you are wrong there (I think there was enough material to create a small fold), but if even if you aren`t this might not have been an insurmountable problem.
have been closed.
Think of an ordinary envelope. Would you measure it with the flap open orNot a useful analogy. Oswald had a bag. He could make the bag work or break down the rifle. I don`t see breaking down the rifle unless it was absolutely necessary, I don`t see that it is necessary. The rifle fits in the bag. Any real scrutiny and he is
closed?
Now, if I had this problem (if it even is one), I would get a paper bag and put in on the open end, tucked down inside, covering the rifle. But I don`t think this would have been necessary. Breaking down the rifle would be the last resort.
The measurement with the flap closed tells you the maximum size of the contents.That is just an assumption. The flaps do not need to be closed to hold the rifle. The flaps not closed extend the length of the bag enough to hold the disassembled rifle.
Anything going into the envelope would have to be folded to fit the envelope with the flapHe wasn`t mailing the package.
closed.
On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 9:23:28 PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 9:04:45 PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 6:37:47 PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 8:35:04 AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 8:09:59 AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
Amazing that a crack researcher like you doesn't consider the possibility he could haveI don't deal in possibilites, I deal in evidence.
assembled the rifle any time that morning
If you have evidence Oswald assembled the rifle at "any time that morning", state your source.
All of that is necessary if you need pinpoint accuracy. That would be necessary if one was in a shooting competition or trying to hit a target at a much greater range. At the short range OswaldSource ?
was firing at, a perfectly aligned scope was not necessary.
Separating the muzzle and scope from the woodstock is not going to throw the scope completely out of whack.I just posted a link that saiud that's not true.
Source ?
In other words, this rifle was never disassembled.
He could be right. How long is the bag with the flap part extended out?Oswald's palm print on the underside of the barrel says otherwise. It could only have beenThe Chief says the rifle wasn't disassembled and the "gunsack" was long enough to hold the rifle intact.
placed there with the rifle disassembled.
https://youtu.be/SaMWaevbiME
Most likely when disassembling it the night before the assassination or reassembling it thatWhen?I`ve always felt it was possible that the rifle was never disassembled.Oswald's palm print on the underside of the barrel indicates the rifle had been disassembled.
morning. What other reason would he have to disassemble the rifle?
What other reason would there have been for Oswald to make the flap?It could not have been put there without the rifle having been disassembled. The flaps at the topYou assume it was enclosed.
and bottom were how the bag was enclosed.
is busted even with the flaps down. He only needs to make sure the rifle is not visible to casual observances.If the flaps were extended out, the bag would notI think you are wrong there (I think there was enough material to create a small fold), but if even if you aren`t this might not have been an insurmountable problem.
have been closed.
Think of an ordinary envelope. Would you measure it with the flap open orNot a useful analogy. Oswald had a bag. He could make the bag work or break down the rifle. I don`t see breaking down the rifle unless it was absolutely necessary, I don`t see that it is necessary. The rifle fits in the bag. Any real scrutiny and he
closed?
Usually it's the conspiracy hobbyists who are second guessing Oswald's choices.
Why didn't he
take a shot as the limo was coming down Houston?
Why second guess Oswald's successful
choices? Oswald made a 38 inch bag with flaps at the top and bottom. I don't know this for
fact but I believe he did that because he believed he had a 36 inch rifle which would have fit in
the bag. If the flap at the top was 3 inches and he left that flap open, he would have only had
one inch to spare with the possibility of the barrel of the rifle sliding out the top of the bag as it
was laying on the back seat of Frazier's car. Apparently, Oswald felt more secure having the
bag sealed at both ends.
Now, if I had this problem (if it even is one), I would get a paper bag and put in on the open end, tucked down inside, covering the rifle. But I don`t think this would have been necessary. Breaking down the rifle would be the last resort.Not a big deal to separate the working parts of the rifle from the woodstock.
Whether they needed to be or not seems a moot point since it seems Oswald chose to do so.The measurement with the flap closed tells you the maximum size of the contents.That is just an assumption. The flaps do not need to be closed to hold the rifle. The flaps not closed extend the length of the bag enough to hold the disassembled rifle.
When you decide to assassinate a president, you get to make those choices.
Again, why are you second guessing his choices? This was the first thing he did in his patheticAnything going into the envelope would have to be folded to fit the envelope with the flapHe wasn`t mailing the package.
closed.
life that he succeeded at. Give the guy a little credit.
On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 4:59:31?AM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 4:50:56?AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
Another psycho-paranoid rant by the king of "shitposting"It'd kind of silly anyway. Proving where Oswald was at 12:15 or at 12:25 does not prove where he was at 12:30.
https://deeppoliticsforum.com/fora/thread-16339.html
That's kind of what the LNs have been pointing out for many years.
We know where Oswald was at 12:30. He was in the sniper's nest firing the shots that killed
JFK.
On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 8:09:59?AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
Amazing that a crack researcher like you doesn't consider the possibility he could have
assembled the rifle any time that morning
I don't deal in possibilites, I deal in evidence.
If you have evidence Oswald assembled the rifle at "any time that morning", state your source.
All of that is necessary if you need pinpoint accuracy. That would be necessary if one was in a shooting competition or trying to hit a target at a much greater range. At the short range Oswald
was firing at, a perfectly aligned scope was not necessary.
Source ?
Ask yourself one question. If Oswald didn't intend to close the top of the bag, why did he
create the flap? The only reason for having that crease at the top of the bag would be to
allow the top of the bag to be closed. There's no other reason to have that flap there.
On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 10:02:20 PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:needed cleaning after that.
On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 9:23:28 PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 9:04:45 PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 6:37:47 PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 8:35:04 AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 8:09:59 AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
Amazing that a crack researcher like you doesn't consider the possibility he could haveI don't deal in possibilites, I deal in evidence.
assembled the rifle any time that morning
If you have evidence Oswald assembled the rifle at "any time that morning", state your source.
All of that is necessary if you need pinpoint accuracy. That would be necessary if one was in a shooting competition or trying to hit a target at a much greater range. At the short range OswaldSource ?
was firing at, a perfectly aligned scope was not necessary.
Separating the muzzle and scope from the woodstock is not going to throw the scope completely out of whack.I just posted a link that saiud that's not true.
Source ?
In other words, this rifle was never disassembled.
He could be right. How long is the bag with the flap part extended out?Oswald's palm print on the underside of the barrel says otherwise. It could only have beenThe Chief says the rifle wasn't disassembled and the "gunsack" was long enough to hold the rifle intact.
placed there with the rifle disassembled.
https://youtu.be/SaMWaevbiME
Oil it, clean it. This could be something he did when he first got it, parts might have been a little difficult. Seems likely he did test fire it. In the Walker attempt he took the rifle up to that neck of the woods and hid it for awhile, maybe itMost likely when disassembling it the night before the assassination or reassembling it thatWhen?I`ve always felt it was possible that the rifle was never disassembled.Oswald's palm print on the underside of the barrel indicates the rifle had been disassembled.
morning. What other reason would he have to disassemble the rifle?
he is busted even with the flaps down. He only needs to make sure the rifle is not visible to casual observances.It seems likely he did not have the rifle with him when he made the bag. Possible he made the bag to fit the rifle he expected to get.What other reason would there have been for Oswald to make the flap?It could not have been put there without the rifle having been disassembled. The flaps at the topYou assume it was enclosed.
and bottom were how the bag was enclosed.
What we know is that on the morning of the assassination Oswald had a bag that was too short. My question is whether it was necessary to break down the rifle to make the short bag work.
If the flaps were extended out, the bag would notI think you are wrong there (I think there was enough material to create a small fold), but if even if you aren`t this might not have been an insurmountable problem.
have been closed.
Think of an ordinary envelope. Would you measure it with the flap open orNot a useful analogy. Oswald had a bag. He could make the bag work or break down the rifle. I don`t see breaking down the rifle unless it was absolutely necessary, I don`t see that it is necessary. The rifle fits in the bag. Any real scrutiny and
closed?
limit the observations, I`d put the bag in the car when it was unlikely anyone would witness it, I`d take it out while Wesley was distracted, I`d walk apart from him. Oswald did everything you`d expect him to do if he was trying to bring a rifle in andUsually it's the conspiracy hobbyists who are second guessing Oswald's choices.You assume Oswald chose to break down the rifle. I`m not making that assumption, although this video shows how easy it is to break it down, and it would be much harder to put it back together...
https://youtu.be/yN9aIZXgfzY
Had it apart in about a minute, probably just as easy to put together. Four screws and the barrel band.
Why didn't heThat is established fact. Whether Oswald broke the rifle down is not.
take a shot as the limo was coming down Houston?
Why second guess Oswald's successfulNeither of the witnesses who saw the bag observed it well enough to say it was sealed at both ends.
choices? Oswald made a 38 inch bag with flaps at the top and bottom. I don't know this for
fact but I believe he did that because he believed he had a 36 inch rifle which would have fit in
the bag. If the flap at the top was 3 inches and he left that flap open, he would have only had
one inch to spare with the possibility of the barrel of the rifle sliding out the top of the bag as it
was laying on the back seat of Frazier's car. Apparently, Oswald felt more secure having the
bag sealed at both ends.
No. But two parts in the bag does present some problems.Now, if I had this problem (if it even is one), I would get a paper bag and put in on the open end, tucked down inside, covering the rifle. But I don`t think this would have been necessary. Breaking down the rifle would be the last resort.Not a big deal to separate the working parts of the rifle from the woodstock.
How did you establish that?Whether they needed to be or not seems a moot point since it seems Oswald chose to do so.The measurement with the flap closed tells you the maximum size of the contents.That is just an assumption. The flaps do not need to be closed to hold the rifle. The flaps not closed extend the length of the bag enough to hold the disassembled rifle.
When you decide to assassinate a president, you get to make those choices.You are assuming to know the choice Oswald made.
I do. When Oswald decided to embark on this endeavor he had problems to overcome. He had to go to the location the rifle was kept on an odd day, he had to transport the rifle in a manner the rifle would not be discovered. If I was him I would try toAgain, why are you second guessing his choices? This was the first thing he did in his patheticAnything going into the envelope would have to be folded to fit the envelope with the flapHe wasn`t mailing the package.
closed.
life that he succeeded at. Give the guy a little credit.
On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 6:40:32 AM UTC-4, Bud wrote:needed cleaning after that.
On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 10:02:20 PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 9:23:28 PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 9:04:45 PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 6:37:47 PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 8:35:04 AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 8:09:59 AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
Amazing that a crack researcher like you doesn't consider the possibility he could haveI don't deal in possibilites, I deal in evidence.
assembled the rifle any time that morning
If you have evidence Oswald assembled the rifle at "any time that morning", state your source.
All of that is necessary if you need pinpoint accuracy. That would be necessary if one was in a shooting competition or trying to hit a target at a much greater range. At the short range OswaldSource ?
was firing at, a perfectly aligned scope was not necessary.
Separating the muzzle and scope from the woodstock is not going to throw the scope completely out of whack.I just posted a link that saiud that's not true.
Source ?
In other words, this rifle was never disassembled.
He could be right. How long is the bag with the flap part extended out?Oswald's palm print on the underside of the barrel says otherwise. It could only have beenThe Chief says the rifle wasn't disassembled and the "gunsack" was long enough to hold the rifle intact.
placed there with the rifle disassembled.
https://youtu.be/SaMWaevbiME
Oil it, clean it. This could be something he did when he first got it, parts might have been a little difficult. Seems likely he did test fire it. In the Walker attempt he took the rifle up to that neck of the woods and hid it for awhile, maybe itMost likely when disassembling it the night before the assassination or reassembling it thatWhen?I`ve always felt it was possible that the rifle was never disassembled.Oswald's palm print on the underside of the barrel indicates the rifle had been disassembled.
morning. What other reason would he have to disassemble the rifle?
he is busted even with the flaps down. He only needs to make sure the rifle is not visible to casual observances.It seems likely he did not have the rifle with him when he made the bag. Possible he made the bag to fit the rifle he expected to get.What other reason would there have been for Oswald to make the flap?It could not have been put there without the rifle having been disassembled. The flaps at the topYou assume it was enclosed.
and bottom were how the bag was enclosed.
What we know is that on the morning of the assassination Oswald had a bag that was too short. My question is whether it was necessary to break down the rifle to make the short bag work.
If the flaps were extended out, the bag would notI think you are wrong there (I think there was enough material to create a small fold), but if even if you aren`t this might not have been an insurmountable problem.
have been closed.
Think of an ordinary envelope. Would you measure it with the flap open orNot a useful analogy. Oswald had a bag. He could make the bag work or break down the rifle. I don`t see breaking down the rifle unless it was absolutely necessary, I don`t see that it is necessary. The rifle fits in the bag. Any real scrutiny and
closed?
limit the observations, I`d put the bag in the car when it was unlikely anyone would witness it, I`d take it out while Wesley was distracted, I`d walk apart from him. Oswald did everything you`d expect him to do if he was trying to bring a rifle in andUsually it's the conspiracy hobbyists who are second guessing Oswald's choices.You assume Oswald chose to break down the rifle. I`m not making that assumption, although this video shows how easy it is to break it down, and it would be much harder to put it back together...
https://youtu.be/yN9aIZXgfzY
Had it apart in about a minute, probably just as easy to put together. Four screws and the barrel band.
Why didn't heThat is established fact. Whether Oswald broke the rifle down is not.
take a shot as the limo was coming down Houston?
Why second guess Oswald's successfulNeither of the witnesses who saw the bag observed it well enough to say it was sealed at both ends.
choices? Oswald made a 38 inch bag with flaps at the top and bottom. I don't know this for
fact but I believe he did that because he believed he had a 36 inch rifle which would have fit in
the bag. If the flap at the top was 3 inches and he left that flap open, he would have only had
one inch to spare with the possibility of the barrel of the rifle sliding out the top of the bag as it
was laying on the back seat of Frazier's car. Apparently, Oswald felt more secure having the
bag sealed at both ends.
No. But two parts in the bag does present some problems.Now, if I had this problem (if it even is one), I would get a paper bag and put in on the open end, tucked down inside, covering the rifle. But I don`t think this would have been necessary. Breaking down the rifle would be the last resort.Not a big deal to separate the working parts of the rifle from the woodstock.
How did you establish that?Whether they needed to be or not seems a moot point since it seems Oswald chose to do so.The measurement with the flap closed tells you the maximum size of the contents.That is just an assumption. The flaps do not need to be closed to hold the rifle. The flaps not closed extend the length of the bag enough to hold the disassembled rifle.
When you decide to assassinate a president, you get to make those choices.You are assuming to know the choice Oswald made.
I do. When Oswald decided to embark on this endeavor he had problems to overcome. He had to go to the location the rifle was kept on an odd day, he had to transport the rifle in a manner the rifle would not be discovered. If I was him I would try toAgain, why are you second guessing his choices? This was the first thing he did in his patheticAnything going into the envelope would have to be folded to fit the envelope with the flapHe wasn`t mailing the package.
closed.
life that he succeeded at. Give the guy a little credit.
Ask yourself one question. If Oswald didn't intend to close the top of the bag, why did he
create the flap? The only reason for having that crease at the top of the bag would be to
allow the top of the bag to be closed. There's no other reason to have that flap there.
On Mon, 31 Jul 2023 08:17:35 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett
<geowri...@gmail.com> wrote:
Ask yourself one question. If Oswald didn't intend to close the top of the bag, why did heSpeculation piled on top of begged logical fallacies.
create the flap? The only reason for having that crease at the top of the bag would be to
allow the top of the bag to be closed. There's no other reason to have that flap there.
Is this the best you can do?
On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 10:57:12 AM UTC-4, Brian Doyle wrote:
On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 8:35:04?AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 8:09:59?AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
Amazing that a crack researcher like you doesn't consider the possibility he could haveI don't deal in possibilites, I deal in evidence.
assembled the rifle any time that morning
Too bad you have no ability to reason to apply to it.
On Sun, 30 Jul 2023 07:31:15 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
wrote:
On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 8:35:04?AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 8:09:59?AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
Amazing that a crack researcher like you doesn't consider the possibility he could haveI don't deal in possibilites, I deal in evidence.
assembled the rifle any time that morning
Too bad you have no ability to reason to apply to it.Too bad Chickenshit isn't honest enough to be able to name this
logical fallacy.
On Mon, 31 Jul 2023 09:53:57 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
wrote:
If Oswald made the bag to hold the rifle...
If moose could walk on water...
On Sun, 30 Jul 2023 07:27:08 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
wrote:
On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 5:33:09?AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 4:59:31?AM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote: >>> It'd kind of silly anyway. Proving where Oswald was at 12:15 or at 12:25 does not prove where he was at 12:30.
But you have to have him on the sixth floor reassembling the rifle, then scoping it in, all before 12:30.
No, you don`t *have* to.Then the rifle was never disassembled, and never placed inside that
bag.
Believers never consider the implications of their nonsense.
On Mon, 31 Jul 2023 03:40:31 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
wrote:
On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 10:02:20?PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 9:23:28?PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 9:04:45?PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:Most likely when disassembling it the night before the assassination or reassembling it that
On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 6:37:47?PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:When?
On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 8:35:04?AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:Oswald's palm print on the underside of the barrel indicates the rifle had been disassembled.
On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 8:09:59?AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote: >>>>>>> Amazing that a crack researcher like you doesn't consider the possibility he could haveHe could be right. How long is the bag with the flap part extended out?
assembled the rifle any time that morningI don't deal in possibilites, I deal in evidence.
If you have evidence Oswald assembled the rifle at "any time that morning", state your source.
All of that is necessary if you need pinpoint accuracy. That would be necessary if one was in a shooting competition or trying to hit a target at a much greater range. At the short range OswaldSource ?
was firing at, a perfectly aligned scope was not necessary.
Separating the muzzle and scope from the woodstock is not going to throw the scope completely out of whack.I just posted a link that saiud that's not true.
Source ?
The Chief says the rifle wasn't disassembled and the "gunsack" was long enough to hold the rifle intact.
In other words, this rifle was never disassembled.
Oswald's palm print on the underside of the barrel says otherwise. It could only have been
placed there with the rifle disassembled.
https://youtu.be/SaMWaevbiME
I`ve always felt it was possible that the rifle was never disassembled.
morning. What other reason would he have to disassemble the rifle?
Oil it, clean it.With what?
You've never cleaned or oiled a rifle, so you have no idea. But it's
simply a FACT that Oswald had nothing in his possessions that could be
used to clean and oil a rifle.
But don't let the facts get in the way of your speculations...
On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 10:02:37?AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
On Mon, 31 Jul 2023 09:53:57 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
wrote:
If Oswald made the bag to hold the rifle...
If moose could walk on water...
There is conspiracy hobbyist thinking on display.
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