• Evidence of JFK Witness Tampering and Intimidation

    From Gil Jesus@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 28 04:26:23 2023
    https://jfkconspiracyforum.freeforums.net/thread/1652/evidence-witness-intimidation-tampering

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Brian Doyle@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 28 05:54:42 2023
    On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 7:26:25 AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:



    Ed Hoffman was also offered money to shut up and go away...


    The censorship of individual researchers on the JFK internet that is committed by dirty moderators and upheld by the research community is also a similar form of this ugly tampering and intimidation...As is taunting those researchers...There's some rank
    examples of hypocrisy that are seen in JFK research by persons who apply great moral qualities to themselves and then turn around and practice the very wrongs they complain about in the Kennedy assassination...

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to gjjmail1202@gmail.com on Fri Jul 28 06:49:27 2023
    On Fri, 28 Jul 2023 04:26:23 -0700 (PDT), Gil Jesus
    <gjjmail1202@gmail.com> wrote:

    https://jfkconspiracyforum.freeforums.net/thread/1652/evidence-witness-intimidation-tampering

    I've spoke about the KNOWN eyewitness intimidation for years, and not
    *ONE SINGLE BELIEVER* has ever publicly acknowledged these facts,
    refuted me, or explained it.

    They can't.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Gil Jesus@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Fri Jul 28 09:59:28 2023
    On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 9:49:31 AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Fri, 28 Jul 2023 04:26:23 -0700 (PDT), Gil Jesus
    <gjjma...@gmail.com> wrote:

    https://jfkconspiracyforum.freeforums.net/thread/1652/evidence-witness-intimidation-tampering

    I've spoke about the KNOWN eyewitness intimidation for years, and not
    *ONE SINGLE BELIEVER* has ever publicly acknowledged these facts,
    refuted me, or explained it.

    They can't.

    I didn't even mention the case of Warren Reynolds, who was shot in the head in the basement of his brother's used car lot
    the day after he told the FBI that, " he would definitely hesitate to identify Oswald as the individual" he followed. ( 25 H 731 )
    No one was ever charged in that shooting. A suspect was arrested and then released.
    They wanted him to know the guy was still out there.

    Not only was Reynolds being targeted, his family and his property it seems was being targeted as well.
    Less than a month after his shooting, a man tried to lure his 10 year old daughter into his car with the promise of candy. ( 11 H 441 )

    Someone also unscrewed the light bulb in his porch light so it wouldn't go on when he threw the switch. ( ibid. pg. 442 )
    The porch light was rendered useless during any attack on his property after dark .

    Five months later he testified that he identified Oswald ,"in my mind" after seeing him on televison and in the newspapers.
    Such an identification is not considered positive.
    He never came forward to identify Oswald officially until his Warren Commission testimony.

    The harrassment worked. Reynolds changed his mind and went on the record as identifying Oswald.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to gjjmail1202@gmail.com on Fri Jul 28 10:22:44 2023
    On Fri, 28 Jul 2023 09:59:28 -0700 (PDT), Gil Jesus
    <gjjmail1202@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 9:49:31?AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Fri, 28 Jul 2023 04:26:23 -0700 (PDT), Gil Jesus
    <gjjma...@gmail.com> wrote:

    https://jfkconspiracyforum.freeforums.net/thread/1652/evidence-witness-intimidation-tampering

    I've spoke about the KNOWN eyewitness intimidation for years, and not
    *ONE SINGLE BELIEVER* has ever publicly acknowledged these facts,
    refuted me, or explained it.

    They can't.

    I didn't even mention the case of Warren Reynolds, who was shot in the head in the basement of his brother's used car lot
    the day after he told the FBI that, " he would definitely hesitate to identify Oswald as the individual" he followed. ( 25 H 731 )
    No one was ever charged in that shooting. A suspect was arrested and then released.
    They wanted him to know the guy was still out there.

    Not only was Reynolds being targeted, his family and his property it seems was being targeted as well.
    Less than a month after his shooting, a man tried to lure his 10 year old daughter into his car with the promise of candy. ( 11 H 441 )

    Someone also unscrewed the light bulb in his porch light so it wouldn't go on when he threw the switch. ( ibid. pg. 442 )
    The porch light was rendered useless during any attack on his property after dark .

    Five months later he testified that he identified Oswald ,"in my mind" after seeing him on televison and in the newspapers.
    Such an identification is not considered positive.
    He never came forward to identify Oswald officially until his Warren Commission testimony.

    The harrassment worked. Reynolds changed his mind and went on the record as identifying Oswald.

    More important that giving all these examples, is the fact that not a
    *SINGLE* believer has *EVER* publicly acknowledged these known
    instances of eyewitness intimidation - let alone explain them.

    Cowardice or dishonesty... you decide.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Bud@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Fri Jul 28 10:22:46 2023
    On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 9:49:31 AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Fri, 28 Jul 2023 04:26:23 -0700 (PDT), Gil Jesus
    <gjjma...@gmail.com> wrote:

    https://jfkconspiracyforum.freeforums.net/thread/1652/evidence-witness-intimidation-tampering

    I've spoke about the KNOWN eyewitness intimidation for years, and not
    *ONE SINGLE BELIEVER* has ever publicly acknowledged these facts,
    refuted me, or explained it.

    I can explain it.

    You guys are idiots.

    They can't.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Bud@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Fri Jul 28 10:32:15 2023
    On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 1:22:48 PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Fri, 28 Jul 2023 09:59:28 -0700 (PDT), Gil Jesus
    <gjjma...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 9:49:31?AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Fri, 28 Jul 2023 04:26:23 -0700 (PDT), Gil Jesus
    <gjjma...@gmail.com> wrote:

    https://jfkconspiracyforum.freeforums.net/thread/1652/evidence-witness-intimidation-tampering

    I've spoke about the KNOWN eyewitness intimidation for years, and not
    *ONE SINGLE BELIEVER* has ever publicly acknowledged these facts,
    refuted me, or explained it.

    They can't.

    I didn't even mention the case of Warren Reynolds, who was shot in the head in the basement of his brother's used car lot
    the day after he told the FBI that, " he would definitely hesitate to identify Oswald as the individual" he followed. ( 25 H 731 )
    No one was ever charged in that shooting. A suspect was arrested and then released.
    They wanted him to know the guy was still out there.

    Not only was Reynolds being targeted, his family and his property it seems was being targeted as well.
    Less than a month after his shooting, a man tried to lure his 10 year old daughter into his car with the promise of candy. ( 11 H 441 )

    Someone also unscrewed the light bulb in his porch light so it wouldn't go on when he threw the switch. ( ibid. pg. 442 )
    The porch light was rendered useless during any attack on his property after dark .

    Five months later he testified that he identified Oswald ,"in my mind" after seeing him on televison and in the newspapers.
    Such an identification is not considered positive.
    He never came forward to identify Oswald officially until his Warren Commission testimony.

    The harrassment worked. Reynolds changed his mind and went on the record as identifying Oswald.
    More important that giving all these examples, is the fact that not a *SINGLE* believer has *EVER* publicly acknowledged these known
    instances of eyewitness intimidation - let alone explain them.

    You can`t even say what the concept "eyewitness intimidation" is, or what it entails.

    Cowardice or dishonesty... you decide.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Gil Jesus@21:1/5 to Bud on Fri Jul 28 10:50:40 2023
    On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 1:32:17 PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
    You can`t even say what the concept "eyewitness intimidation" is, or what it entails.

    It's all explained right here: https://jfkconspiracyforum.freeforums.net/thread/1652/evidence-witness-intimidation-tampering

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Bud@21:1/5 to Gil Jesus on Fri Jul 28 10:26:19 2023
    On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 12:59:30 PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 9:49:31 AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Fri, 28 Jul 2023 04:26:23 -0700 (PDT), Gil Jesus
    <gjjma...@gmail.com> wrote:

    https://jfkconspiracyforum.freeforums.net/thread/1652/evidence-witness-intimidation-tampering

    I've spoke about the KNOWN eyewitness intimidation for years, and not
    *ONE SINGLE BELIEVER* has ever publicly acknowledged these facts,
    refuted me, or explained it.

    They can't.
    I didn't even mention the case of Warren Reynolds, who was shot in the head in the basement of his brother's used car lot
    the day after he told the FBI that, " he would definitely hesitate to identify Oswald as the individual" he followed. ( 25 H 731 )
    No one was ever charged in that shooting. A suspect was arrested and then released.
    They wanted him to know the guy was still out there.

    Not only was Reynolds being targeted, his family and his property it seems was being targeted as well.
    Less than a month after his shooting, a man tried to lure his 10 year old daughter into his car with the promise of candy. ( 11 H 441 )

    Someone also unscrewed the light bulb in his porch light so it wouldn't go on when he threw the switch. ( ibid. pg. 442 )
    The porch light was rendered useless during any attack on his property after dark .

    Five months later he testified that he identified Oswald ,"in my mind" after seeing him on televison and in the newspapers.
    Such an identification is not considered positive.
    He never came forward to identify Oswald officially until his Warren Commission testimony.

    The harrassment worked. Reynolds changed his mind and went on the record as identifying Oswald.

    What is it worth if an idiot claims "this caused this"?

    Nothing.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Bud@21:1/5 to Gil Jesus on Fri Jul 28 10:56:11 2023
    On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 1:50:41 PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 1:32:17 PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
    You can`t even say what the concept "eyewitness intimidation" is, or what it entails.
    It's all explained right here:

    Explain it right here. What is the concept?

    https://jfkconspiracyforum.freeforums.net/thread/1652/evidence-witness-intimidation-tampering

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 28 11:03:07 2023
    On Fri, 28 Jul 2023 10:56:11 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirslick@fast.net>
    wrote:

    On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 1:50:41?PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 1:32:17?PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
    You can`t even say what the concept "eyewitness intimidation" is, or what it entails.
    It's all explained right here:

    Explain it right here. What is the concept?

    Witness intimidation is a Federal crime, whether it is done by a
    defendant or by the prosecution.

    Among the examples of 18 U.S. Code § 1512 Witness Intimidation are:


    Offering a bribe to a witness.

    Making threats to a witness or their family with physical harm or
    property damage.

    Asking a witness to not provide testimony, or to testify in a specific
    way.

    Preventing a witness from attending a court hearing, or any legal
    proceeding


    Federal witness intimidation is punishable by up to 20 years in
    federal prison and a fine of up to $250,000.

    Witness intimidation can take many forms and can include any action
    that falls into the following categories:


    Physical Force: Using any type of physical force to keep a witness
    from testifying is prohibited, and commonly results in felony charges. Confinement is considered a use of force.

    Corrupt Persuasion: Prohibited behavior includes persuading a witness
    to change their testimony, and blackmailing or bribing a witness and
    attempts to keep a witness from testifying. ( 1 )

    Chickenshit is TERRIFIED to address the eyewitness intimidation. So
    he's constantly trying to change the topic.

    What he absolutely CANNOT do, is refute the examples of eyewitness
    intimidation given by Gil or myself.

    https://jfkconspiracyforum.freeforums.net/thread/1652/evidence-witness-intimidation-tampering

    Watch folks, as Chickenshit runs again...

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Bud@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Fri Jul 28 11:14:09 2023
    On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 2:03:12 PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Fri, 28 Jul 2023 10:56:11 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:

    On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 1:50:41?PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 1:32:17?PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
    You can`t even say what the concept "eyewitness intimidation" is, or what it entails.
    It's all explained right here:

    Explain it right here. What is the concept?
    Witness intimidation is a Federal crime, whether it is done by a
    defendant or by the prosecution.

    Among the examples of 18 U.S. Code § 1512 Witness Intimidation are:


    Offering a bribe to a witness.

    Making threats to a witness or their family with physical harm or
    property damage.

    Asking a witness to not provide testimony, or to testify in a specific
    way.

    Preventing a witness from attending a court hearing, or any legal
    proceeding


    Federal witness intimidation is punishable by up to 20 years in
    federal prison and a fine of up to $250,000.

    Witness intimidation can take many forms and can include any action
    that falls into the following categories:


    Physical Force: Using any type of physical force to keep a witness
    from testifying is prohibited, and commonly results in felony charges. Confinement is considered a use of force.

    Corrupt Persuasion: Prohibited behavior includes persuading a witness
    to change their testimony, and blackmailing or bribing a witness and attempts to keep a witness from testifying. ( 1 )

    Chickenshit is TERRIFIED to address the eyewitness intimidation. So
    he's constantly trying to change the topic.

    What he absolutely CANNOT do, is refute the examples of eyewitness intimidation given by Gil or myself.

    https://jfkconspiracyforum.freeforums.net/thread/1652/evidence-witness-intimidation-tampering

    Watch folks, as Chickenshit runs again...

    I`m not going anywhere, I`m still examining your idea.

    Now select the things from above list and apply them to each of your supposed examples of witness intimidation. Put up what you have and make your case. Be a man for a change.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Gil Jesus@21:1/5 to Bud on Fri Jul 28 12:42:58 2023
    On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 1:56:12 PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
    On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 1:50:41 PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 1:32:17 PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
    You can`t even say what the concept "eyewitness intimidation" is, or what it entails.
    It's all explained right here:
    Explain it right here. What is the concept?

    https://jfkconspiracyforum.freeforums.net/thread/1652/evidence-witness-intimidation-tampering

    Bud is scared shitless of links. He's afraid to click on them.
    The answers to all of your questions are right here:

    https://jfkconspiracyforum.freeforums.net/thread/1652/evidence-witness-intimidation-tampering

    If you're afraid of the link, then shut the fuck up.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Bud@21:1/5 to Gil Jesus on Fri Jul 28 12:53:38 2023
    On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 3:43:00 PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 1:56:12 PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
    On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 1:50:41 PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 1:32:17 PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
    You can`t even say what the concept "eyewitness intimidation" is, or what it entails.
    It's all explained right here:
    Explain it right here. What is the concept?

    https://jfkconspiracyforum.freeforums.net/thread/1652/evidence-witness-intimidation-tampering
    Bud is scared shitless of links.

    You and Ben are scared shitless of a critical examination of your ideas. You both want make empty claims, as if what you say carries any weight. If you only need to *say* they are examples of witness intimidation, then I only need to *say* they aren`t.
    So I got Ben to put of a criteria for what constitutes "witness intimidation". I`m fine with that criteria. Now all you need to do is take each of your supposed examples of witness intimidation and show how it fits the criteria that Ben provided.

    Never happen, of course. The only thing that will happen is you two will make more empty claims, and Ben will start saying that the people who read here agree with him.

    He's afraid to click on them.

    If you have examples of witness intimidation, produce them here and show how they meet the criteria that Ben provided.

    The answers to all of your questions are right here:

    https://jfkconspiracyforum.freeforums.net/thread/1652/evidence-witness-intimidation-tampering

    If you're afraid of the link, then shut the fuck up.

    Post your ideas here, gutless, it is a forum for conspiracy ideas.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From John Corbett@21:1/5 to Gil Jesus on Sat Jul 29 03:58:55 2023
    On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 3:43:00 PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 1:56:12 PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
    On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 1:50:41 PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 1:32:17 PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
    You can`t even say what the concept "eyewitness intimidation" is, or what it entails.
    It's all explained right here:
    Explain it right here. What is the concept?

    https://jfkconspiracyforum.freeforums.net/thread/1652/evidence-witness-intimidation-tampering
    Bud is scared shitless of links. He's afraid to click on them.
    The answers to all of your questions are right here:

    https://jfkconspiracyforum.freeforums.net/thread/1652/evidence-witness-intimidation-tampering

    If you're afraid of the link, then shut the fuck up.

    There's nothing wrong with using a link to back up a point you are making. It's when people
    use links in lieu of making a point that reveals weakness. Usually that is done when someone
    can't articulate a cogent argument and instead post a link and claim that the point is made
    somewhere within the link. They use links as a crutch for their inability to articulate.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Bud@21:1/5 to John Corbett on Sat Jul 29 13:25:06 2023
    On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 6:58:57 AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 3:43:00 PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 1:56:12 PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
    On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 1:50:41 PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 1:32:17 PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
    You can`t even say what the concept "eyewitness intimidation" is, or what it entails.
    It's all explained right here:
    Explain it right here. What is the concept?

    https://jfkconspiracyforum.freeforums.net/thread/1652/evidence-witness-intimidation-tampering
    Bud is scared shitless of links. He's afraid to click on them.
    The answers to all of your questions are right here:

    https://jfkconspiracyforum.freeforums.net/thread/1652/evidence-witness-intimidation-tampering

    If you're afraid of the link, then shut the fuck up.
    There's nothing wrong with using a link to back up a point you are making. It's when people
    use links in lieu of making a point that reveals weakness. Usually that is done when someone
    can't articulate a cogent argument and instead post a link and claim that the point is made
    somewhere within the link. They use links as a crutch for their inability to articulate.

    The only thing you can learn by hitting Gil`s links is the answer to the question "What would it look like if the biggest stump walking the planet applied his analytical and reasoning skills to a murder that was solved almost sixty years ago?".

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Mark Ulrik@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jul 30 06:05:40 2023
    fredag den 28. juli 2023 kl. 20.14.11 UTC+2 skrev Bud:
    On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 2:03:12 PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Fri, 28 Jul 2023 10:56:11 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:

    On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 1:50:41?PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 1:32:17?PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
    You can`t even say what the concept "eyewitness intimidation" is, or what it entails.
    It's all explained right here:

    Explain it right here. What is the concept?
    Witness intimidation is a Federal crime, whether it is done by a
    defendant or by the prosecution.

    Among the examples of 18 U.S. Code § 1512 Witness Intimidation are:


    Offering a bribe to a witness.

    Making threats to a witness or their family with physical harm or
    property damage.

    Asking a witness to not provide testimony, or to testify in a specific way.

    Preventing a witness from attending a court hearing, or any legal proceeding


    Federal witness intimidation is punishable by up to 20 years in
    federal prison and a fine of up to $250,000.

    Witness intimidation can take many forms and can include any action
    that falls into the following categories:


    Physical Force: Using any type of physical force to keep a witness
    from testifying is prohibited, and commonly results in felony charges. Confinement is considered a use of force.

    Corrupt Persuasion: Prohibited behavior includes persuading a witness
    to change their testimony, and blackmailing or bribing a witness and attempts to keep a witness from testifying. ( 1 )

    Chickenshit is TERRIFIED to address the eyewitness intimidation. So
    he's constantly trying to change the topic.

    What he absolutely CANNOT do, is refute the examples of eyewitness intimidation given by Gil or myself.

    https://jfkconspiracyforum.freeforums.net/thread/1652/evidence-witness-intimidation-tampering

    Watch folks, as Chickenshit runs again...
    I`m not going anywhere, I`m still examining your idea.

    Now select the things from above list and apply them to each of your supposed examples of witness intimidation. Put up what you have and make your case. Be a man for a change.

    Man, did Ben shoot himself in the foot on that one. Had he just stuck to his usual vague innuendo, his inner conspiracy universe would've been a lot safer.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Bud@21:1/5 to Mark Ulrik on Sun Jul 30 06:34:34 2023
    On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 9:05:42 AM UTC-4, Mark Ulrik wrote:
    fredag den 28. juli 2023 kl. 20.14.11 UTC+2 skrev Bud:
    On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 2:03:12 PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Fri, 28 Jul 2023 10:56:11 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:

    On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 1:50:41?PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 1:32:17?PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
    You can`t even say what the concept "eyewitness intimidation" is, or what it entails.
    It's all explained right here:

    Explain it right here. What is the concept?
    Witness intimidation is a Federal crime, whether it is done by a defendant or by the prosecution.

    Among the examples of 18 U.S. Code § 1512 Witness Intimidation are:


    Offering a bribe to a witness.

    Making threats to a witness or their family with physical harm or property damage.

    Asking a witness to not provide testimony, or to testify in a specific way.

    Preventing a witness from attending a court hearing, or any legal proceeding


    Federal witness intimidation is punishable by up to 20 years in
    federal prison and a fine of up to $250,000.

    Witness intimidation can take many forms and can include any action
    that falls into the following categories:


    Physical Force: Using any type of physical force to keep a witness
    from testifying is prohibited, and commonly results in felony charges. Confinement is considered a use of force.

    Corrupt Persuasion: Prohibited behavior includes persuading a witness
    to change their testimony, and blackmailing or bribing a witness and attempts to keep a witness from testifying. ( 1 )

    Chickenshit is TERRIFIED to address the eyewitness intimidation. So
    he's constantly trying to change the topic.

    What he absolutely CANNOT do, is refute the examples of eyewitness intimidation given by Gil or myself.

    https://jfkconspiracyforum.freeforums.net/thread/1652/evidence-witness-intimidation-tampering

    Watch folks, as Chickenshit runs again...
    I`m not going anywhere, I`m still examining your idea.

    Now select the things from above list and apply them to each of your supposed examples of witness intimidation. Put up what you have and make your case. Be a man for a change.
    Man, did Ben shoot himself in the foot on that one. Had he just stuck to his usual vague innuendo, his inner conspiracy universe would've been a lot safer.

    He`ll be fine, he is as snug as a bug in his conspiracy cocoon, he is untouchable and unreachable.

    How it *should* work is that now we are on the same page with a tangible criteria he will take each of his examples of supposed "witness intimidation" and show how they are satisfied by the criteria he presented.

    But seeing as I`ve been down this road so many times I feel certain he will some or all of the following...

    Declare the portions he can`t address as being fallacies and remove them.

    Make "what else can it be?" arguments (shifting the burden).

    Make "the audience knows I`m right" empty claims.

    Create hoops I`m supposed to jump through.

    What he *won`t* do is be a man and support the idea properly.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to geowright1963@gmail.com on Mon Jul 31 07:41:24 2023
    On Sat, 29 Jul 2023 03:58:55 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett <geowright1963@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 3:43:00?PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 1:56:12?PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
    On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 1:50:41?PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 1:32:17?PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
    You can`t even say what the concept "eyewitness intimidation" is, or what it entails.
    It's all explained right here:
    Explain it right here. What is the concept?

    https://jfkconspiracyforum.freeforums.net/thread/1652/evidence-witness-intimidation-tampering
    Bud is scared shitless of links. He's afraid to click on them.
    The answers to all of your questions are right here:

    https://jfkconspiracyforum.freeforums.net/thread/1652/evidence-witness-intimidation-tampering

    If you're afraid of the link, then shut the fuck up.

    There's nothing wrong with using a link to back up a point you are making. It's when people
    use links in lieu of making a point that reveals weakness.


    Precisely! Now... what happened on 11/22/63. And when you're stupid
    enough to cite the WCR - as believers INVARIABLY do... you'll have
    proven YOURSELF to be a moron.

    And your silence will prove your cowardice.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 3 07:00:28 2023
    On Fri, 28 Jul 2023 10:26:19 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirslick@fast.net>
    wrote:

    On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 12:59:30?PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 9:49:31?AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Fri, 28 Jul 2023 04:26:23 -0700 (PDT), Gil Jesus
    <gjjma...@gmail.com> wrote:

    https://jfkconspiracyforum.freeforums.net/thread/1652/evidence-witness-intimidation-tampering

    I've spoke about the KNOWN eyewitness intimidation for years, and not
    *ONE SINGLE BELIEVER* has ever publicly acknowledged these facts,
    refuted me, or explained it.

    They can't.
    I didn't even mention the case of Warren Reynolds, who was shot in the head in the basement of his brother's used car lot
    the day after he told the FBI that, " he would definitely hesitate to identify Oswald as the individual" he followed. ( 25 H 731 )
    No one was ever charged in that shooting. A suspect was arrested and then released.
    They wanted him to know the guy was still out there.

    Not only was Reynolds being targeted, his family and his property it seems was being targeted as well.
    Less than a month after his shooting, a man tried to lure his 10 year old daughter into his car with the promise of candy. ( 11 H 441 )

    Someone also unscrewed the light bulb in his porch light so it wouldn't go on when he threw the switch. ( ibid. pg. 442 )
    The porch light was rendered useless during any attack on his property after dark .

    Five months later he testified that he identified Oswald ,"in my mind" after seeing him on televison and in the newspapers.
    Such an identification is not considered positive.
    He never came forward to identify Oswald officially until his Warren Commission testimony.

    The harrassment worked. Reynolds changed his mind and went on the record as identifying Oswald.

    What is it worth...

    For you to run from the facts?

    Nothing at all. No-one expects truth from a coward.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Bud@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Thu Aug 3 08:11:45 2023
    On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 10:00:40 AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Fri, 28 Jul 2023 10:26:19 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:

    On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 12:59:30?PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 9:49:31?AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Fri, 28 Jul 2023 04:26:23 -0700 (PDT), Gil Jesus
    <gjjma...@gmail.com> wrote:

    https://jfkconspiracyforum.freeforums.net/thread/1652/evidence-witness-intimidation-tampering

    I've spoke about the KNOWN eyewitness intimidation for years, and not >>> *ONE SINGLE BELIEVER* has ever publicly acknowledged these facts,
    refuted me, or explained it.

    They can't.
    I didn't even mention the case of Warren Reynolds, who was shot in the head in the basement of his brother's used car lot
    the day after he told the FBI that, " he would definitely hesitate to identify Oswald as the individual" he followed. ( 25 H 731 )
    No one was ever charged in that shooting. A suspect was arrested and then released.
    They wanted him to know the guy was still out there.

    Not only was Reynolds being targeted, his family and his property it seems was being targeted as well.
    Less than a month after his shooting, a man tried to lure his 10 year old daughter into his car with the promise of candy. ( 11 H 441 )

    Someone also unscrewed the light bulb in his porch light so it wouldn't go on when he threw the switch. ( ibid. pg. 442 )
    The porch light was rendered useless during any attack on his property after dark .

    Five months later he testified that he identified Oswald ,"in my mind" after seeing him on televison and in the newspapers.
    Such an identification is not considered positive.
    He never came forward to identify Oswald officially until his Warren Commission testimony.

    The harrassment worked. Reynolds changed his mind and went on the record as identifying Oswald.

    What is it worth...

    For you to run from the facts?

    Is it a fact that Warren`s being shot was connected to the Tippit shooting?

    Nothing at all. No-one expects truth from a coward.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Gil Jesus@21:1/5 to Bud on Thu Aug 3 09:46:40 2023
    On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 11:11:47 AM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
    Is it a fact that Warren`s being shot was connected to the Tippit shooting?

    It doesn't have to be a connection in order to intimidate someone.
    It all depends on what the person being intimidated feels. Did he feel there was a connection ? YES.
    And he testified to that fact. https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh11/html/WC_Vol11_0224b.htm

    Add to it that some man tried to pick up his 10 year old daughter ( 11 H 441 ) an screwed with the exterior light on his house ( 11 H 442 ).....

    And that's all that was needed for him to change his testimony.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From John Corbett@21:1/5 to Gil Jesus on Thu Aug 3 10:53:21 2023
    On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 12:46:42 PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 11:11:47 AM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
    Is it a fact that Warren`s being shot was connected to the Tippit shooting?
    It doesn't have to be a connection in order to intimidate someone.
    It all depends on what the person being intimidated feels. Did he feel there was a connection ? YES.
    And he testified to that fact. https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh11/html/WC_Vol11_0224b.htm

    Add to it that some man tried to pick up his 10 year old daughter ( 11 H 441 )
    an screwed with the exterior light on his house ( 11 H 442 ).....

    And that's all that was needed for him to change his testimony.

    So there was no witness tampering by the FBI.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to gjjmail1202@gmail.com on Thu Aug 3 10:34:35 2023
    On Thu, 3 Aug 2023 09:46:40 -0700 (PDT), Gil Jesus
    <gjjmail1202@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 11:11:47?AM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
    Is it a fact that Warren`s being shot was connected to the Tippit shooting?

    It doesn't have to be a connection in order to intimidate someone.
    It all depends on what the person being intimidated feels. Did he feel there was a connection ? YES.
    And he testified to that fact. >https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh11/html/WC_Vol11_0224b.htm

    Add to it that some man tried to pick up his 10 year old daughter ( 11 H 441 ) >an screwed with the exterior light on his house ( 11 H 442 ).....

    And that's all that was needed for him to change his testimony.

    But it's not enough to convince a believer that any official
    intimidation of witnesses ever happened.

    It would take some connection to the "guilt" of Oswald to do that.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to geowright1963@gmail.com on Thu Aug 3 11:03:39 2023
    On Thu, 3 Aug 2023 10:53:21 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett
    <geowright1963@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 12:46:42?PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 11:11:47?AM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
    Is it a fact that Warren`s being shot was connected to the Tippit shooting? >> It doesn't have to be a connection in order to intimidate someone.
    It all depends on what the person being intimidated feels. Did he feel there was a connection ? YES.
    And he testified to that fact.
    https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh11/html/WC_Vol11_0224b.htm

    Add to it that some man tried to pick up his 10 year old daughter ( 11 H 441 )
    an screwed with the exterior light on his house ( 11 H 442 ).....

    And that's all that was needed for him to change his testimony.

    As I pointed out:
    But it's not enough to convince a believer that any official
    intimidation of witnesses ever happened.

    It would take some connection to the "guilt" of Oswald to do that.

    So Corbutt promptly agrees with me:

    So there was no witness tampering by the FBI.

    Can't make this up, folks!

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Chuck Schuyler@21:1/5 to Gil Jesus on Thu Aug 3 11:13:39 2023
    On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 11:59:30 AM UTC-5, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 9:49:31 AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Fri, 28 Jul 2023 04:26:23 -0700 (PDT), Gil Jesus
    <gjjma...@gmail.com> wrote:

    https://jfkconspiracyforum.freeforums.net/thread/1652/evidence-witness-intimidation-tampering

    I've spoke about the KNOWN eyewitness intimidation for years, and not
    *ONE SINGLE BELIEVER* has ever publicly acknowledged these facts,
    refuted me, or explained it.

    They can't.
    I didn't even mention the case of Warren Reynolds, who was shot in the head in the basement of his brother's used car lot
    the day after he told the FBI that, " he would definitely hesitate to identify Oswald as the individual" he followed. ( 25 H 731 )
    No one was ever charged in that shooting. A suspect was arrested and then released.

    https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh25/pdf/WH25_CE_2589.pdf


    They wanted him to know the guy was still out there.

    Oswald was already dead and there were already enough witnesses to the Tippit murder. Tough to understand why the "conspirators" would focus on a minor piece in the overall story like Warren Reynolds and target him for elimination. Even harder to
    understand why your conspiracy would hire Darrel Garner (or hire anyone else for that matter as Garner was released) to shoot him with a .22 firearm.

    Not only was Reynolds being targeted, his family and his property it seems was being targeted as well.
    Less than a month after his shooting, a man tried to lure his 10 year old daughter into his car with the promise of candy. ( 11 H 441 )

    That was Ben Holmes.

    Someone also unscrewed the light bulb in his porch light so it wouldn't go on when he threw the switch. ( ibid. pg. 442 )
    The porch light was rendered useless during any attack on his property after dark .

    Any other explanations other than someone was going to attack him at home and showed up in advance to unscrew a porch lightbulb?

    Five months later he testified that he identified Oswald ,"in my mind" after seeing him on televison and in the newspapers.
    Such an identification is not considered positive.
    He never came forward to identify Oswald officially until his Warren Commission testimony.

    The harrassment worked.

    Begging the question.

    Reynolds changed his mind and went on the record as identifying Oswald.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to chuckschuyler123@gmail.com on Thu Aug 3 11:20:36 2023
    On Thu, 3 Aug 2023 11:13:39 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler <chuckschuyler123@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 11:59:30?AM UTC-5, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 9:49:31?AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Fri, 28 Jul 2023 04:26:23 -0700 (PDT), Gil Jesus
    <gjjma...@gmail.com> wrote:

    https://jfkconspiracyforum.freeforums.net/thread/1652/evidence-witness-intimidation-tampering

    I've spoke about the KNOWN eyewitness intimidation for years, and not
    *ONE SINGLE BELIEVER* has ever publicly acknowledged these facts,
    refuted me, or explained it.

    They can't.
    I didn't even mention the case of Warren Reynolds, who was shot in the head in the basement of his brother's used car lot
    the day after he told the FBI that, " he would definitely hesitate to identify Oswald as the individual" he followed. ( 25 H 731 )
    No one was ever charged in that shooting. A suspect was arrested and then released.

    https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh25/pdf/WH25_CE_2589.pdf


    Supporting what Gil points out isn't what you're supposed to be
    doing... getting senile?


    They wanted him to know the guy was still out there.

    Oswald was already dead and there were already enough witnesses to the Tippit murder.


    So what? This doesn't address the issue AT ALL!

    Indeed, you refuse to even publicly acknowledge this historical
    eyewitness intimidation.


    Not only was Reynolds being targeted, his family and his property it seems was being targeted as well.
    Less than a month after his shooting, a man tried to lure his 10 year old daughter into his car with the promise of candy. ( 11 H 441 )


    Logical fallacy deleted.


    Someone also unscrewed the light bulb in his porch light so it wouldn't go on when he threw the switch. ( ibid. pg. 442 )
    The porch light was rendered useless during any attack on his property after dark .


    Logical fallacy deleted.


    Five months later he testified that he identified Oswald ,"in my mind" after seeing him on televison and in the newspapers.
    Such an identification is not considered positive.
    He never came forward to identify Oswald officially until his Warren Commission testimony.

    The harrassment worked.


    Logical fallacy deleted.


    Reynolds changed his mind and went on the record as identifying Oswald.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Gil Jesus@21:1/5 to John Corbett on Thu Aug 3 11:24:31 2023
    On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 1:53:22 PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    So there was no witness tampering by the FBI.

    I'm sorry, did I say that Warren Reynolds was intimdiated by the FBI ?
    I only used him as an example of intimidation, I don't believe I ever said the FBI was involved.
    Try to keep up.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to gjjmail1202@gmail.com on Thu Aug 3 11:33:57 2023
    On Thu, 3 Aug 2023 11:24:31 -0700 (PDT), Gil Jesus
    <gjjmail1202@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 1:53:22?PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    So there was no witness tampering by the FBI.

    I'm sorry, did I say that Warren Reynolds was intimdiated by the FBI ?
    I only used him as an example of intimidation, I don't believe I ever said the FBI was involved.
    Try to keep up.

    This is simply an example of what believers do all the time - they
    make a statement that on the surface LOOKS like it's a refutation, but
    upon examination, doesn't even addresss what was stated.

    Huckster's famous for this. But *EVERY* believer does this.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to gjjmail1202@gmail.com on Thu Aug 3 11:44:53 2023
    On Thu, 3 Aug 2023 11:38:18 -0700 (PDT), Gil Jesus
    <gjjmail1202@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 2:13:41?PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    Tough to understand why the "conspirators" would focus on a minor piece in the overall story like Warren Reynolds and target him for elimination. Even harder to understand why your conspiracy would hire Darrel
    Garner (or hire anyone else for that matter as Garner was released) to shoot him with a .22 firearm.

    It's hard for you to understand how 2+2=4.
    This is a thread about witness intimidation and tampering.
    Who said anything about a conspiracy ?

    Reynolds testified that he believed the shooting was connected with his encounter with "Oswald".
    "It would be fair to think that somebody shot me on account of they thought I knew something or had some connection with Lee Oswald." ( 11 H 438 )

    Coincidently, he was shot on January 23, 1964, ( 11 H 437 ) the day after he gave a statement to the FBI.
    https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh25/html/WC_Vol25_0381a.htm

    But you knew that, didn't you ?

    You're joking, right Gil?

    Presuming that Chuckles knows *ANYTHING* about this case is clearly unsupportable - he refuses to say what happened on 11/2/63 - and
    indeed claims not to have a scenario at all.

    Asking if he knew the evidence that proves him a fool is quite hopeful
    of you, Gil...

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Bud@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Thu Aug 3 11:47:53 2023
    On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 10:02:38 AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Fri, 28 Jul 2023 12:53:38 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:

    On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 3:43:00?PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 1:56:12?PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
    On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 1:50:41?PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 1:32:17?PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
    You can`t even say what the concept "eyewitness intimidation" is, or what it entails.
    It's all explained right here:
    Explain it right here. What is the concept?

    https://jfkconspiracyforum.freeforums.net/thread/1652/evidence-witness-intimidation-tampering
    Bud is scared shitless of links.
    Logical fallacy deleted.
    He's afraid to click on them.
    Logical fallacy deleted.
    The answers to all of your questions are right here:

    https://jfkconspiracyforum.freeforums.net/thread/1652/evidence-witness-intimidation-tampering

    If you're afraid of the link, then shut the fuck up.
    Logical fallacy deleted.

    Chickenshit is TERRIFIED of addressing the proven eyewitness
    intimidation.

    You refuse to show that it actually is witness intimidation using the criteria you yourself provided.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Bud@21:1/5 to Gil Jesus on Thu Aug 3 11:47:39 2023
    On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 12:46:42 PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 11:11:47 AM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
    Is it a fact that Warren`s being shot was connected to the Tippit shooting?
    It doesn't have to be a connection in order to intimidate someone.

    Are you saying Ben was lying when he called it a fact?

    It all depends on what the person being intimidated feels. Did he feel there was a connection ? YES.

    So it could be his imagination. Are you are saying he changed his testimony to satisfy the figments of his imagination?

    And he testified to that fact. https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh11/html/WC_Vol11_0224b.htm

    Add to it that some man tried to pick up his 10 year old daughter ( 11 H 441 )
    an screwed with the exterior light on his house ( 11 H 442 ).....

    Can you show any connection between these things and the assassination?

    And that's all that was needed for him to change his testimony.

    Why would he think doing that would help him?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Gil Jesus@21:1/5 to Chuck Schuyler on Thu Aug 3 11:38:18 2023
    On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 2:13:41 PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    Tough to understand why the "conspirators" would focus on a minor piece in the overall story like Warren Reynolds and target him for elimination. Even harder to understand why your conspiracy would hire Darrel
    Garner (or hire anyone else for that matter as Garner was released) to shoot him with a .22 firearm.

    It's hard for you to understand how 2+2=4.
    This is a thread about witness intimidation and tampering.
    Who said anything about a conspiracy ?

    Reynolds testified that he believed the shooting was connected with his encounter with "Oswald".
    "It would be fair to think that somebody shot me on account of they thought I knew something or had some connection with Lee Oswald." ( 11 H 438 )

    Coincidently, he was shot on January 23, 1964, ( 11 H 437 ) the day after he gave a statement to the FBI.
    https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh25/html/WC_Vol25_0381a.htm

    But you knew that, didn't you ?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Bud@21:1/5 to Gil Jesus on Thu Aug 3 11:54:46 2023
    On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 2:38:19 PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 2:13:41 PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    Tough to understand why the "conspirators" would focus on a minor piece in the overall story like Warren Reynolds and target him for elimination. Even harder to understand why your conspiracy would hire Darrel
    Garner (or hire anyone else for that matter as Garner was released) to shoot him with a .22 firearm.
    It's hard for you to understand how 2+2=4.
    This is a thread about witness intimidation and tampering.
    Who said anything about a conspiracy ?

    Reynolds testified that he believed the shooting was connected with his encounter with "Oswald".

    So he thought it would help to make that connection stronger?

    "It would be fair to think that somebody shot me on account of they thought I knew something or had some connection with Lee Oswald." ( 11 H 438 )

    So how does it help to make that connection stronger by giving a stronger identification?

    Coincidently, he was shot on January 23, 1964, ( 11 H 437 ) the day after he gave a statement to the FBI.
    https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh25/html/WC_Vol25_0381a.htm

    The conspiracy works in mysterious ways, lets him get his information on record and then tries to kill him.

    But you knew that, didn't you ?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Bud@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Thu Aug 3 11:50:11 2023
    On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 1:34:39 PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 3 Aug 2023 09:46:40 -0700 (PDT), Gil Jesus
    <gjjma...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 11:11:47?AM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
    Is it a fact that Warren`s being shot was connected to the Tippit shooting?

    It doesn't have to be a connection in order to intimidate someone.
    It all depends on what the person being intimidated feels. Did he feel there was a connection ? YES.
    And he testified to that fact. >https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh11/html/WC_Vol11_0224b.htm

    Add to it that some man tried to pick up his 10 year old daughter ( 11 H 441 )
    an screwed with the exterior light on his house ( 11 H 442 ).....

    And that's all that was needed for him to change his testimony.
    But it's not enough to convince a believer that any official
    intimidation of witnesses ever happened.

    You refuse to show that it did.

    It would take some connection to the "guilt" of Oswald to do that.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to chuckschuyler123@gmail.com on Thu Aug 3 13:10:55 2023
    On Thu, 3 Aug 2023 12:53:45 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler <chuckschuyler123@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 1:44:59?PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 3 Aug 2023 11:38:18 -0700 (PDT), Gil Jesus
    <gjjma...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 2:13:41?PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    Tough to understand why the "conspirators" would focus on a minor piece in the overall story like Warren Reynolds and target him for elimination. Even harder to understand why your conspiracy would hire Darrel
    Garner (or hire anyone else for that matter as Garner was released) to shoot him with a .22 firearm.

    It's hard for you to understand how 2+2=4.
    This is a thread about witness intimidation and tampering.
    Who said anything about a conspiracy ?

    Reynolds testified that he believed the shooting was connected with his encounter with "Oswald".
    "It would be fair to think that somebody shot me on account of they thought I knew something or had some connection with Lee Oswald." ( 11 H 438 )

    Coincidently, he was shot on January 23, 1964, ( 11 H 437 ) the day after he gave a statement to the FBI.
    https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh25/html/WC_Vol25_0381a.htm

    But you knew that, didn't you ?
    You're joking, right Gil?

    Presuming that Chuckles knows *ANYTHING* about this case is clearly
    unsupportable - he refuses to say what happened on 11/22/63 -

    https://www.onthisday.com/date/1963/november/22


    Note for the record - Chuckles agrees that a simple citation is the
    answer to any question.


    and
    indeed claims not to have a scenario at all.


    No refutation - notice that?


    Asking if he knew the evidence that proves him a fool is quite hopeful
    of you, Gil...

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Chuck Schuyler@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Thu Aug 3 12:53:45 2023
    On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 1:44:59 PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 3 Aug 2023 11:38:18 -0700 (PDT), Gil Jesus
    <gjjma...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 2:13:41?PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    Tough to understand why the "conspirators" would focus on a minor piece in the overall story like Warren Reynolds and target him for elimination. Even harder to understand why your conspiracy would hire Darrel
    Garner (or hire anyone else for that matter as Garner was released) to shoot him with a .22 firearm.

    It's hard for you to understand how 2+2=4.
    This is a thread about witness intimidation and tampering.
    Who said anything about a conspiracy ?

    Reynolds testified that he believed the shooting was connected with his encounter with "Oswald".
    "It would be fair to think that somebody shot me on account of they thought I knew something or had some connection with Lee Oswald." ( 11 H 438 )

    Coincidently, he was shot on January 23, 1964, ( 11 H 437 ) the day after he gave a statement to the FBI.
    https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh25/html/WC_Vol25_0381a.htm

    But you knew that, didn't you ?
    You're joking, right Gil?

    Presuming that Chuckles knows *ANYTHING* about this case is clearly unsupportable - he refuses to say what happened on 11/2/63 -

    https://www.onthisday.com/date/1963/november/2

    and
    indeed claims not to have a scenario at all.

    Asking if he knew the evidence that proves him a fool is quite hopeful
    of you, Gil...

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Bud@21:1/5 to Chuck Schuyler on Thu Aug 3 13:06:46 2023
    On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 3:53:46 PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 1:44:59 PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 3 Aug 2023 11:38:18 -0700 (PDT), Gil Jesus
    <gjjma...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 2:13:41?PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    Tough to understand why the "conspirators" would focus on a minor piece in the overall story like Warren Reynolds and target him for elimination. Even harder to understand why your conspiracy would hire Darrel
    Garner (or hire anyone else for that matter as Garner was released) to shoot him with a .22 firearm.

    It's hard for you to understand how 2+2=4.
    This is a thread about witness intimidation and tampering.
    Who said anything about a conspiracy ?

    Reynolds testified that he believed the shooting was connected with his encounter with "Oswald".
    "It would be fair to think that somebody shot me on account of they thought I knew something or had some connection with Lee Oswald." ( 11 H 438 )

    Coincidently, he was shot on January 23, 1964, ( 11 H 437 ) the day after he gave a statement to the FBI.
    https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh25/html/WC_Vol25_0381a.htm

    But you knew that, didn't you ?
    You're joking, right Gil?

    Presuming that Chuckles knows *ANYTHING* about this case is clearly unsupportable - he refuses to say what happened on 11/2/63 -
    https://www.onthisday.com/date/1963/november/2

    That is interesting, the US was behind the assassination of a foreign leader twenty days before our leader was assassinated.

    and
    indeed claims not to have a scenario at all.

    Asking if he knew the evidence that proves him a fool is quite hopeful
    of you, Gil...

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Chuck Schuyler@21:1/5 to Gil Jesus on Thu Aug 3 13:20:01 2023
    On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 1:38:19 PM UTC-5, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 2:13:41 PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    Tough to understand why the "conspirators" would focus on a minor piece in the overall story like Warren Reynolds and target him for elimination. Even harder to understand why your conspiracy would hire Darrel
    Garner (or hire anyone else for that matter as Garner was released) to shoot him with a .22 firearm.

    It's hard for you to understand how 2+2=4.
    This is a thread about witness intimidation and tampering.
    Who said anything about a conspiracy ?

    You. Constantly. For decades.

    So if no conspiracy, one of the possibilities you're are hinting at is that Oswald acted alone and somebody--you're not sure who--was "intimidating" some minor bit player in the saga named Warren Reynolds to provide a stronger identification of the
    already dead Oswald?

    You can't be serious.

    Do you ever stop and take a breath and just reflect on how stupid some of this stuff is?

    Reynolds testified that he believed the shooting was connected with his encounter with "Oswald".
    "It would be fair to think that somebody shot me on account of they thought I knew something or had some connection with Lee Oswald." ( 11 H 438 )

    Coincidently, he was shot on January 23, 1964, ( 11 H 437 ) the day after he gave a statement to the FBI.
    https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh25/html/WC_Vol25_0381a.htm

    But you knew that, didn't you ?

    Fun with numbers.

    The odds of him getting shot, or anything else happening the day after giving a statement to the FBI, is one in three hundred sixty-five, Gil. That's how many days there are in a non-leap year.

    I was filling up a rental car with gas about a thousand miles from my home in Minnesota where I live and ran into the little convenience store to get a coffee and bumped into one of my oldest friends from childhood in Chicago, where he still lives. He
    was traveling on business and had just filled up the tank on his rental car and was in grabbing a snack, too. We chatted for about thirty minutes, totally blown away by the incredible coincidence of it all. What are the odds?

    Life is weird, Gil.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to chuckschuyler123@gmail.com on Thu Aug 3 13:28:31 2023
    On Thu, 3 Aug 2023 13:20:01 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler <chuckschuyler123@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 1:38:19?PM UTC-5, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 2:13:41?PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    Tough to understand why the "conspirators" would focus on a minor piece in the overall story like Warren Reynolds and target him for elimination. Even harder to understand why your conspiracy would hire Darrel
    Garner (or hire anyone else for that matter as Garner was released) to shoot him with a .22 firearm.

    It's hard for you to understand how 2+2=4.
    This is a thread about witness intimidation and tampering.
    Who said anything about a conspiracy ?


    Logical fallacy deleted.


    Reynolds testified that he believed the shooting was connected with his encounter with "Oswald".
    "It would be fair to think that somebody shot me on account of they thought I knew something or had some connection with Lee Oswald." ( 11 H 438 )

    Coincidently, he was shot on January 23, 1964, ( 11 H 437 ) the day after he gave a statement to the FBI.
    https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh25/html/WC_Vol25_0381a.htm

    But you knew that, didn't you ?


    Short answer: no.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Bud@21:1/5 to Chuck Schuyler on Thu Aug 3 13:55:10 2023
    On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 4:20:03 PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 1:38:19 PM UTC-5, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 2:13:41 PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    Tough to understand why the "conspirators" would focus on a minor piece in the overall story like Warren Reynolds and target him for elimination. Even harder to understand why your conspiracy would hire Darrel
    Garner (or hire anyone else for that matter as Garner was released) to shoot him with a .22 firearm.

    It's hard for you to understand how 2+2=4.
    This is a thread about witness intimidation and tampering.
    Who said anything about a conspiracy ?
    You. Constantly. For decades.

    It is the purpose of this forum. But they really have very little in favor of conspiracy. The "back and to the left" argument for a frontal shot. The "a lot of people thought the shots came from the knoll" argument. After that they are about spent.

    So if no conspiracy, one of the possibilities you're are hinting at is that Oswald acted alone and somebody--you're not sure who--was "intimidating" some minor bit player in the saga named Warren Reynolds to provide a stronger identification of the
    already dead Oswald?

    You can't be serious.

    Do you ever stop and take a breath and just reflect on how stupid some of this stuff is?

    It`s hard to even see how it can make sense. They unscrewed Reynold`s lightbulb so he would make a more positive ID in Oswald? How does Reynolds know that making a positive identification isn`t the exact opposite of what they wanted from him?

    What works is going to Reynolds and saying "Unless you strongly assert it was Oswald you saw we will kill your dog." How does he know what they want from him by just doing random bad things to him?

    Reynolds testified that he believed the shooting was connected with his encounter with "Oswald".
    "It would be fair to think that somebody shot me on account of they thought I knew something or had some connection with Lee Oswald." ( 11 H 438 )

    Coincidently, he was shot on January 23, 1964, ( 11 H 437 ) the day after he gave a statement to the FBI.
    https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh25/html/WC_Vol25_0381a.htm

    But you knew that, didn't you ?
    Fun with numbers.

    The odds of him getting shot, or anything else happening the day after giving a statement to the FBI, is one in three hundred sixty-five, Gil. That's how many days there are in a non-leap year.

    I was filling up a rental car with gas about a thousand miles from my home in Minnesota where I live and ran into the little convenience store to get a coffee and bumped into one of my oldest friends from childhood in Chicago, where he still lives. He
    was traveling on business and had just filled up the tank on his rental car and was in grabbing a snack, too. We chatted for about thirty minutes, totally blown away by the incredible coincidence of it all. What are the odds?

    I can`t come up with anything even close to that in my life. I can`t even think of any extraordinary coincidence that I ever personally experienced. But if something like this did happen to me, my innate paranoia would kick in (which is really just an
    evolved survival trait). Like my father used to say "Just because you are paranoid doesn`t mean they aren`t out to get you".

    Case in point, there was a group of eco-terrorists years ago that were burning down certain businesses. They got away with it for years, but then the authorities got one to turn informant. They wired him and then had him have a "chance encounter" with
    one of the main members who he hadn`t had contact with for awhile. They then talked about "old times", including the crimes they committed together. This was enough to charge the ringleader.

    Life is weird, Gil.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Chuck Schuyler@21:1/5 to Bud on Thu Aug 3 21:07:13 2023
    On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 3:55:12 PM UTC-5, Bud wrote:
    On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 4:20:03 PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 1:38:19 PM UTC-5, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 2:13:41 PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    Tough to understand why the "conspirators" would focus on a minor piece in the overall story like Warren Reynolds and target him for elimination. Even harder to understand why your conspiracy would hire Darrel
    Garner (or hire anyone else for that matter as Garner was released) to shoot him with a .22 firearm.

    It's hard for you to understand how 2+2=4.
    This is a thread about witness intimidation and tampering.
    Who said anything about a conspiracy ?
    You. Constantly. For decades.
    It is the purpose of this forum. But they really have very little in favor of conspiracy. The "back and to the left" argument for a frontal shot. The "a lot of people thought the shots came from the knoll" argument. After that they are about spent.
    So if no conspiracy, one of the possibilities you're are hinting at is that Oswald acted alone and somebody--you're not sure who--was "intimidating" some minor bit player in the saga named Warren Reynolds to provide a stronger identification of the
    already dead Oswald?

    You can't be serious.

    Do you ever stop and take a breath and just reflect on how stupid some of this stuff is?
    It`s hard to even see how it can make sense. They unscrewed Reynold`s lightbulb so he would make a more positive ID in Oswald? How does Reynolds know that making a positive identification isn`t the exact opposite of what they wanted from him?

    What works is going to Reynolds and saying "Unless you strongly assert it was Oswald you saw we will kill your dog." How does he know what they want from him by just doing random bad things to him?
    Reynolds testified that he believed the shooting was connected with his encounter with "Oswald".
    "It would be fair to think that somebody shot me on account of they thought I knew something or had some connection with Lee Oswald." ( 11 H 438 )

    Coincidently, he was shot on January 23, 1964, ( 11 H 437 ) the day after he gave a statement to the FBI.
    https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh25/html/WC_Vol25_0381a.htm

    But you knew that, didn't you ?
    Fun with numbers.

    The odds of him getting shot, or anything else happening the day after giving a statement to the FBI, is one in three hundred sixty-five, Gil. That's how many days there are in a non-leap year.

    I was filling up a rental car with gas about a thousand miles from my home in Minnesota where I live and ran into the little convenience store to get a coffee and bumped into one of my oldest friends from childhood in Chicago, where he still lives.
    He was traveling on business and had just filled up the tank on his rental car and was in grabbing a snack, too. We chatted for about thirty minutes, totally blown away by the incredible coincidence of it all. What are the odds?

    I can`t come up with anything even close to that in my life. I can`t even think of any extraordinary coincidence that I ever personally experienced. But if something like this did happen to me, my innate paranoia would kick in (which is really just an
    evolved survival trait). Like my father used to say "Just because you are paranoid doesn`t mean they aren`t out to get you".

    History (and life) is full of these types of coincidences and oddities. They are what they are. WW1 turned on the chance encounter Gavrilo Princip had with the car Archduke Franz Ferdinand was a passenger in. Before the fatal shooting, Princip had missed
    his chance, along with some fellow would-be assassins, to kill Ferdinand when a grenade thrown at the motorcade by a Princip co-conspirator caused Ferdinand's driver to speed up and past Princip. He wandered to a nearby restaurant. Minutes later,
    Ferdinand's driver took a wrong turn and the car literally stopped feet from Princip. The car stalled trying to back away, and Princip, who probably couldn't believe his "luck", whipped out his pistol and fired point blank, killing the Archduke and his
    wife. For the want of a wrong turn, for the want of Princip being in front of that restaurant and not wandering somewhere else or going home, for the want of Ferdinand's auto stalling, WW1 started. Perhaps something else would've lit the fuse, but
    Princip guaranteed it with his chance encounter.

    One of the many problems JFK Truthers have is that THERE ARE NO COINCIDENCES. Everything happens by design, there is no such thing as happenstance. The mind boggles at all of the little things that didn't happen on 11/22/63 which would've derailed Oswald'
    s attempt.

    Case in point, there was a group of eco-terrorists years ago that were burning down certain businesses. They got away with it for years, but then the authorities got one to turn informant. They wired him and then had him have a "chance encounter" with
    one of the main members who he hadn`t had contact with for awhile. They then talked about "old times", including the crimes they committed together. This was enough to charge the ringleader.

    Life is weird, Gil.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From David Healy@21:1/5 to Chuck Schuyler on Fri Aug 4 02:16:02 2023
    On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 9:07:15 PM UTC-7, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 3:55:12 PM UTC-5, Bud wrote:
    On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 4:20:03 PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 1:38:19 PM UTC-5, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 2:13:41 PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    Tough to understand why the "conspirators" would focus on a minor piece in the overall story like Warren Reynolds and target him for elimination. Even harder to understand why your conspiracy would hire Darrel
    Garner (or hire anyone else for that matter as Garner was released) to shoot him with a .22 firearm.

    It's hard for you to understand how 2+2=4.
    This is a thread about witness intimidation and tampering.
    Who said anything about a conspiracy ?
    You. Constantly. For decades.
    It is the purpose of this forum. But they really have very little in favor of conspiracy. The "back and to the left" argument for a frontal shot. The "a lot of people thought the shots came from the knoll" argument. After that they are about spent.
    So if no conspiracy, one of the possibilities you're are hinting at is that Oswald acted alone and somebody--you're not sure who--was "intimidating" some minor bit player in the saga named Warren Reynolds to provide a stronger identification of the
    already dead Oswald?

    You can't be serious.

    Do you ever stop and take a breath and just reflect on how stupid some of this stuff is?
    It`s hard to even see how it can make sense. They unscrewed Reynold`s lightbulb so he would make a more positive ID in Oswald? How does Reynolds know that making a positive identification isn`t the exact opposite of what they wanted from him?

    What works is going to Reynolds and saying "Unless you strongly assert it was Oswald you saw we will kill your dog." How does he know what they want from him by just doing random bad things to him?
    Reynolds testified that he believed the shooting was connected with his encounter with "Oswald".
    "It would be fair to think that somebody shot me on account of they thought I knew something or had some connection with Lee Oswald." ( 11 H 438 )

    Coincidently, he was shot on January 23, 1964, ( 11 H 437 ) the day after he gave a statement to the FBI.
    https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh25/html/WC_Vol25_0381a.htm

    But you knew that, didn't you ?
    Fun with numbers.

    The odds of him getting shot, or anything else happening the day after giving a statement to the FBI, is one in three hundred sixty-five, Gil. That's how many days there are in a non-leap year.

    I was filling up a rental car with gas about a thousand miles from my home in Minnesota where I live and ran into the little convenience store to get a coffee and bumped into one of my oldest friends from childhood in Chicago, where he still lives.
    He was traveling on business and had just filled up the tank on his rental car and was in grabbing a snack, too. We chatted for about thirty minutes, totally blown away by the incredible coincidence of it all. What are the odds?

    I can`t come up with anything even close to that in my life. I can`t even think of any extraordinary coincidence that I ever personally experienced. But if something like this did happen to me, my innate paranoia would kick in (which is really just
    an evolved survival trait). Like my father used to say "Just because you are paranoid doesn`t mean they aren`t out to get you".
    History (and life) is full of these types of coincidences and oddities. They are what they are. WW1 turned on the chance encounter Gavrilo Princip had with the car Archduke Franz Ferdinand was a passenger in. Before the fatal shooting, Princip had
    missed his chance, along with some fellow would-be assassins, to kill Ferdinand when a grenade thrown at the motorcade by a Princip co-conspirator caused Ferdinand's driver to speed up and past Princip. He wandered to a nearby restaurant. Minutes later,
    Ferdinand's driver took a wrong turn and the car literally stopped feet from Princip. The car stalled trying to back away, and Princip, who probably couldn't believe his "luck", whipped out his pistol and fired point blank, killing the Archduke and his
    wife. For the want of a wrong turn, for the want of Princip being in front of that restaurant and not wandering somewhere else or going home, for the want of Ferdinand's auto stalling, WW1 started. Perhaps something else would've lit the fuse, but
    Princip guaranteed it with his chance encounter.

    One of the many problems JFK Truthers have is that THERE ARE NO COINCIDENCES. Everything happens by design, there is no such thing as happenstance. The mind boggles at all of the little things that didn't happen on 11/22/63 which would've derailed
    Oswald's attempt.

    focus toots... distract and divert, that's the best you will ever do? -- Did you ever get a 11/22/63 JFK assassination scenario together? One of you very own? Get your tootsies wet, show us your stuff... make that Barnyard College education/degree work...
    you suffer the same dis-ease most loon neuters do: understanding present day facts, extrapolate same into concepts merging concepts with logic support logical ideas with historical case evidence and wallah, a *scenario*... Pretty fucking simple, so
    simple in fact and rumor has it, even reverse mortgage pukes grasp the idea... hell, even thunder thighs Joe 'just askin' a question' Rogan can visualize the concept...

    [...]

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From John Corbett@21:1/5 to Chuck Schuyler on Fri Aug 4 03:06:33 2023
    On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 12:07:15 AM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 3:55:12 PM UTC-5, Bud wrote:
    On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 4:20:03 PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 1:38:19 PM UTC-5, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 2:13:41 PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    Tough to understand why the "conspirators" would focus on a minor piece in the overall story like Warren Reynolds and target him for elimination. Even harder to understand why your conspiracy would hire Darrel
    Garner (or hire anyone else for that matter as Garner was released) to shoot him with a .22 firearm.

    It's hard for you to understand how 2+2=4.
    This is a thread about witness intimidation and tampering.
    Who said anything about a conspiracy ?
    You. Constantly. For decades.
    It is the purpose of this forum. But they really have very little in favor of conspiracy. The "back and to the left" argument for a frontal shot. The "a lot of people thought the shots came from the knoll" argument. After that they are about spent.
    So if no conspiracy, one of the possibilities you're are hinting at is that Oswald acted alone and somebody--you're not sure who--was "intimidating" some minor bit player in the saga named Warren Reynolds to provide a stronger identification of the
    already dead Oswald?

    You can't be serious.

    Do you ever stop and take a breath and just reflect on how stupid some of this stuff is?
    It`s hard to even see how it can make sense. They unscrewed Reynold`s lightbulb so he would make a more positive ID in Oswald? How does Reynolds know that making a positive identification isn`t the exact opposite of what they wanted from him?

    What works is going to Reynolds and saying "Unless you strongly assert it was Oswald you saw we will kill your dog." How does he know what they want from him by just doing random bad things to him?
    Reynolds testified that he believed the shooting was connected with his encounter with "Oswald".
    "It would be fair to think that somebody shot me on account of they thought I knew something or had some connection with Lee Oswald." ( 11 H 438 )

    Coincidently, he was shot on January 23, 1964, ( 11 H 437 ) the day after he gave a statement to the FBI.
    https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh25/html/WC_Vol25_0381a.htm

    But you knew that, didn't you ?
    Fun with numbers.

    The odds of him getting shot, or anything else happening the day after giving a statement to the FBI, is one in three hundred sixty-five, Gil. That's how many days there are in a non-leap year.

    I was filling up a rental car with gas about a thousand miles from my home in Minnesota where I live and ran into the little convenience store to get a coffee and bumped into one of my oldest friends from childhood in Chicago, where he still lives.
    He was traveling on business and had just filled up the tank on his rental car and was in grabbing a snack, too. We chatted for about thirty minutes, totally blown away by the incredible coincidence of it all. What are the odds?

    I can`t come up with anything even close to that in my life. I can`t even think of any extraordinary coincidence that I ever personally experienced. But if something like this did happen to me, my innate paranoia would kick in (which is really just
    an evolved survival trait). Like my father used to say "Just because you are paranoid doesn`t mean they aren`t out to get you".
    History (and life) is full of these types of coincidences and oddities. They are what they are. WW1 turned on the chance encounter Gavrilo Princip had with the car Archduke Franz Ferdinand was a passenger in. Before the fatal shooting, Princip had
    missed his chance, along with some fellow would-be assassins, to kill Ferdinand when a grenade thrown at the motorcade by a Princip co-conspirator caused Ferdinand's driver to speed up and past Princip. He wandered to a nearby restaurant. Minutes later,
    Ferdinand's driver took a wrong turn and the car literally stopped feet from Princip. The car stalled trying to back away, and Princip, who probably couldn't believe his "luck", whipped out his pistol and fired point blank, killing the Archduke and his
    wife. For the want of a wrong turn, for the want of Princip being in front of that restaurant and not wandering somewhere else or going home, for the want of Ferdinand's auto stalling, WW1 started. Perhaps something else would've lit the fuse, but
    Princip guaranteed it with his chance encounter.

    One of the many problems JFK Truthers have is that THERE ARE NO COINCIDENCES. Everything happens by design, there is no such thing as happenstance. The mind boggles at all of the little things that didn't happen on 11/22/63 which would've derailed
    Oswald's attempt.

    If you haven't already, read the Guns of August. JFK had read it shortly before the Cuban Missile
    Crisis and spoke of the miscalculations that resulted in WWI. Europe was a powder keg and if
    it hadn't been the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand, it likely would have been something else
    that lit the fuse. Somebody said before the war broke out that it would likely be something in the
    Balkans that set the wheels in motion.

    I knew there was blood relationships among the monarchs of Europe but I didn't realize how
    intertwined they all were and how much they disliked each other. The book begins with the
    funeral of Edward VII, Victoria's son, in 1910. Edward was the uncle of Kaiser Wilhelm. Almost
    all of the European monarchs were related in some way to Edward.

    Due to all the treaties among the various nations, both sides saw the war as inevitable and both
    France and Germany had been making war plans for about a decade. France planned to attack
    directly into Germany while Germany planned to move around the Maginot Line through the low countries just as they would do again in WWII. When war broke out, the two armies moved in
    opposite directions as if they were on opposite lanes of the same highway. Russia's attack in the east collapsed but it caused Germany to move two divisions to the east which proved to be critical. France's offensive stalled while Germany's broke through
    and they had the choice of
    taking lightly defended Paris or moving east to envelop the French Army. They chose the latter
    and exposed their right flank to the British army which up to then had not engaged. The result
    was a stalemate that lasted until the US entered the war three years later.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Gil Jesus@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Fri Aug 4 02:19:18 2023
    On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 1:22:48 PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    More important that giving all these examples, is the fact that not a *SINGLE* believer has *EVER* publicly acknowledged these known
    instances of eyewitness intimidation - let alone explain them.

    Cowardice or dishonesty... you decide.

    It's funny. My dog is wrong and she gets spanked and she doesn't do it again. These idiots come here every day, make statements that are wrong, get spanked with the evidence and come back tomorrow for more.
    Is my dog smarter than these morons ?

    I used to try to give them the benefit of the doubt, that they were just mistaken.
    But these people flat out lie. I know because they not only lie about the evidence, they even lie about what I say.

    Their refusal to look at my evidence proves how close-minded they are. You would think that they'd at least look at it to tear it apart, but
    they won't even do that. They know that I use official records in my essays and they're scared shitless of the truth.
    They don't know and they don't WANT to know.

    The prosecution's case against Oswald was a illusion. And they were fooled. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHzOOMdhAhE

    It's obvious to anyone except the feeble-minded Lone Nutters that in this case, witnesses were threatened, harrassed, and intimidated.
    Their statements were altered.

    And the proof of it all is right here: https://jfkconspiracyforum.freeforums.net/thread/1652/evidence-witness-intimidation-tampering

    At least one witness testified he signed an affidavit stating his choice from the police lineups before he even saw the lineup.

    These tactics are not used in a normal criminal investigation.
    They're not used by the prosecution in collecting evidence and they're not used by the defense because to use such tactics is illegal
    and any evidence collected from them is inadmissable in court.

    These tactics were used against witnesses, not suspects, mind you, WITNESSES.

    But to the Lone Nutter, ignorance is bliss. As the line goes in the Wizard of Oz, "pay no attention to that man behind the curtain".
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWyCCJ6B2WE

    The great and powerful Warren Commission has spoken
    .

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From John Corbett@21:1/5 to Gil Jesus on Fri Aug 4 03:18:09 2023
    On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 5:19:20 AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 1:22:48 PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    More important that giving all these examples, is the fact that not a *SINGLE* believer has *EVER* publicly acknowledged these known
    instances of eyewitness intimidation - let alone explain them.

    Cowardice or dishonesty... you decide.

    It's funny. My dog is wrong and she gets spanked and she doesn't do it again.
    These idiots come here every day, make statements that are wrong, get spanked with the evidence and come back tomorrow for more.
    Is my dog smarter than these morons ?

    I used to try to give them the benefit of the doubt, that they were just mistaken.
    But these people flat out lie. I know because they not only lie about the evidence, they even lie about what I say.

    Their refusal to look at my evidence proves how close-minded they are. You would think that they'd at least look at it to tear it apart, but
    they won't even do that. They know that I use official records in my essays and they're scared shitless of the truth.
    They don't know and they don't WANT to know.

    The prosecution's case against Oswald was a illusion. And they were fooled. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHzOOMdhAhE

    It's obvious to anyone except the feeble-minded Lone Nutters that in this case, witnesses were threatened, harrassed, and intimidated.
    Their statements were altered.

    And the proof of it all is right here: https://jfkconspiracyforum.freeforums.net/thread/1652/evidence-witness-intimidation-tampering

    At least one witness testified he signed an affidavit stating his choice from the police lineups before he even saw the lineup.

    These tactics are not used in a normal criminal investigation.
    They're not used by the prosecution in collecting evidence and they're not used by the defense because to use such tactics is illegal
    and any evidence collected from them is inadmissable in court.

    These tactics were used against witnesses, not suspects, mind you, WITNESSES.

    But to the Lone Nutter, ignorance is bliss. As the line goes in the Wizard of Oz, "pay no attention to that man behind the curtain".
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWyCCJ6B2WE

    The great and powerful Warren Commission has spoken
    .
    Given you seem to live in an alternate universe with a different reality than most of earth's
    inhabitants, I'm not surprised you believe you are spanking the LNs. Every time you make an
    argument, it gets shot down like a clay pigeon. You then move on and start another thread
    and start the process all over again. You don't present evidence, Gil. You make arguments
    which in most cases are excuses to dismiss evidence, and pretty lame excuses. The funniest
    part of all this is you think you are accomplishing something with this nonsense of yours. At
    most a few dozen people read it and nobody is swayed one way or another by your arguments.
    You aren't moving the needle of public opinion one iota and contrary to what you seem to be
    hoping for, there isn't going to be another investigation into the assassination. Every such
    investigation has concluded that Oswald was the assassin although the HSCA wrongfully
    concluded there was likely a second gunman. That's where things stand now. All the history
    books identify Oswald as the assassin while mentioning that there is a widespread belief
    that he had accomplices. Nothing is going to change that. Almost everyone, regardless of
    their beliefs have moved on from the assassination. It's a non-issue. IOW, you're wasting
    your time. The LNs here are wasting their time pointing this out to you assclowns but the
    difference is, we know it. We do it for amusement only.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Gil Jesus@21:1/5 to John Corbett on Fri Aug 4 05:00:08 2023
    On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 6:18:11 AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    Given you seem to live in an alternate universe with a different reality than most of earth's
    inhabitants, I'm not surprised you believe you are spanking the LNs. Every time you make an
    argument, it gets shot down like a clay pigeon.

    As one who has been repeatedly spanked by me, I'm not surprised that you deny it.
    You come in here and cry every day.
    WAAAAAA.........you're looking at the wrong things.
    WAAAAAA.........you're making excuses.
    WAAAAAA.........what about this, what about that.
    WAAAAAA.........you don't provide evidence.

    Now it's WAAAAAAA........you haven't spanked anyone.

    Let me refresh your memory.

    You claimed that Lt. Day didn't dust the rifle at the scene.
    I proved that was wrong.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RV7uLMSs4KQ


    On Thursday, July 6, 2023 at 10:38:47 AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    This is a short summation of the forensic evidence at the scene of the murders of JFK and Tippit.
    1. Oswald's rifle was found on the 6th floor of the TSBD. There is a clear paper trail and photographs establishing his ownership of the rifle.

    ANS. Clear paper trail ? The shipping documents the FBI provided had neither the serial number of the rifle ( C 2766 ) nor the number of the carton it was in ( 3376 ) on them.

    https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/harborside520-1.jpg https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/harborside170.jpg https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/rupp-1.jpg

    2. His palm print was on the underside of the barrel and fibers matching the shirt he wore were on the butt plate of the rifle.

    ANS. But the FBI said that when they examined the rifle on the day after the assassination, there was no palm print. ( 4 H 24 ) The FBI agent who travelled with the rifle from Dallas to Washington, Vincent Drain, was never called to testify. Why not ?

    4. Three spent shells were found at the window were the witnesses placed the shooter and they were positively matched to Oswald ( sic ) to the exclusion of all other weapons in the world.

    ANS. Those shells were found by Dallas Deputy Sheriff Luke Mooney. Did he ever identify them as the shells he found ?

    5. The only two bullets recovered from the shooting also were matched to Oswald's rifle to the exclusion of all other weapons in the world.

    ANS. Could one of those be the famous "stretcher bullet" which the four people who handled it couldn't identify ?
    https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/WH_Vol24_412.jpg

    6. Oswald's fingerprints were found on top of the boxes that had been stacked to form a rifle rest and were oriented as they would be if Oswald were facing down Elm St.

    ANS. How did Oswald lift those cartons from the top ?

    7. A bag large enough to hold the disassembled rifle was found near the window with Oswald's finger and palm print and.....

    ANS. How do you know the bag was on the sixth floor ? Was it photographed in place ?
    Here's the crime scene photo. Where is it ? https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/ce729.jpg

    8...... fibers matching the blanket Oswald had used to store his rifle.

    ANS. Were those fibers identified as having come from the blanket in the Paine garage ?
    https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/WC_Vol4_88-stombaugh.gif

    9. In the case of the Tippit murder, the .38 Special bullets had been fired from a gun with a slightly larger diameter barrel that prevented consistent enough markings to positive match them to any firearm. However, the bullets had the same twist
    characteristics as Oswald's revolver.

    ANS. You don't match bullets by primary characteristics ( grooves and twists ) any more than you match fingerprint because it's a whorl, a loop or an arch.
    You match them from individual characterisitics. The individual characteristics are the "fingerprint".

    10. Two different makes of bullets were recovered from Tippit's body and Oswald had those same two makes of bullets in his possession when arrested a little more than a half hour later.

    ANS. Those cartridges were allegedly found on Oswald outside the lineup room for the 4:05pm lineup.
    But Oswald was searched twice before those cartridges were found and there was nothing in his pockets.
    https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/105-82555-Sec-78-pg-14-1.png https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/image003.png
    So here we have two different Dallas policemen, one a detective and the other a uniformed officer, who searched suspect Oswald prior to the escort by Sims, Boyd and Hall to the lineup room and both reported that Oswald’s pockets were empty.

    11. Four shells were recovered from the place where the Tippit shooter was seen dumping them and those shells were positively matched to Oswald's revolver to the exclusion of all other weapons in the world.

    ANS. Were those shells ever identified by the witnesses who found them ? https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/discovery.png

    You didn't answer one question I asked.


    On Sunday, July 9, 2023 at 7:08:15 PM, John Corbett wrote:
    Linnie Mae Randle and Buell Wesley Frazier both saw Oswald with the 38 inch package that morning.

    FACT: neither witness said anything about the package being 38 inches nor did they identify CE 142 as the package Oswald had that morning.

    On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 12:33:20 PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    Gil is speculating as to why Oswald went to Irving. He has no evidence to back up his
    speculation.

    FACT: All my evidence is shown here, complete with official documents and testimony :
    https://gil-jesus.com/the-real-reason-oswald-went-to-irving-on-11-21/

    YOU ARE A PATHOLOGICAL LIAR.

    You lie about the evidence and you lie that I don't produce evidence when you know it's all on my website:

    www.gil-jesus.com

    Every time you come in here and attack me and post your comments and avoid citing sources, you add to MY credibility, not yours.
    Because I can back up everything I say with sources, can you ?
    So far you haven't.

    Consider yourself spanked again.
    Now you can cry.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to gjjmail1202@gmail.com on Fri Aug 4 06:51:08 2023
    On Fri, 4 Aug 2023 05:00:08 -0700 (PDT), Gil Jesus
    <gjjmail1202@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 6:18:11?AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    Given you seem to live in an alternate universe with a different reality than most of earth's
    inhabitants, I'm not surprised you believe you are spanking the LNs. Every time you make an
    argument, it gets shot down like a clay pigeon.

    As one who has been repeatedly spanked by me, I'm not surprised that you deny it.
    You come in here and cry every day.
    WAAAAAA.........you're looking at the wrong things.
    WAAAAAA.........you're making excuses.
    WAAAAAA.........what about this, what about that.
    WAAAAAA.........you don't provide evidence.

    Now it's WAAAAAAA........you haven't spanked anyone.

    Let me refresh your memory.

    You claimed that Lt. Day didn't dust the rifle at the scene.
    I proved that was wrong.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RV7uLMSs4KQ


    On Thursday, July 6, 2023 at 10:38:47?AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    This is a short summation of the forensic evidence at the scene of the murders of JFK and Tippit.
    1. Oswald's rifle was found on the 6th floor of the TSBD. There is a clear paper trail and photographs establishing his ownership of the rifle.

    ANS. Clear paper trail ? The shipping documents the FBI provided had neither the serial number of the rifle ( C 2766 ) nor the number of the carton it was in ( 3376 ) on them.

    https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/harborside520-1.jpg >https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/harborside170.jpg >https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/rupp-1.jpg

    2. His palm print was on the underside of the barrel and fibers matching the shirt he wore were on the butt plate of the rifle.

    ANS. But the FBI said that when they examined the rifle on the day after the assassination, there was no palm print. ( 4 H 24 ) The FBI agent who travelled with the rifle from Dallas to Washington, Vincent Drain, was never called to testify. Why not ?

    4. Three spent shells were found at the window were the witnesses placed the shooter and they were positively matched to Oswald ( sic ) to the exclusion of all other weapons in the world.

    ANS. Those shells were found by Dallas Deputy Sheriff Luke Mooney. Did he ever identify them as the shells he found ?

    5. The only two bullets recovered from the shooting also were matched to Oswald's rifle to the exclusion of all other weapons in the world.

    ANS. Could one of those be the famous "stretcher bullet" which the four people who handled it couldn't identify ?
    https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/WH_Vol24_412.jpg

    6. Oswald's fingerprints were found on top of the boxes that had been stacked to form a rifle rest and were oriented as they would be if Oswald were facing down Elm St.

    ANS. How did Oswald lift those cartons from the top ?

    7. A bag large enough to hold the disassembled rifle was found near the window with Oswald's finger and palm print and.....

    ANS. How do you know the bag was on the sixth floor ? Was it photographed in place ?
    Here's the crime scene photo. Where is it ? >https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/ce729.jpg

    8...... fibers matching the blanket Oswald had used to store his rifle.

    ANS. Were those fibers identified as having come from the blanket in the Paine garage ?
    https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/WC_Vol4_88-stombaugh.gif

    9. In the case of the Tippit murder, the .38 Special bullets had been fired from a gun with a slightly larger diameter barrel that prevented consistent enough markings to positive match them to any firearm. However, the bullets had the same twist
    characteristics as Oswald's revolver.

    ANS. You don't match bullets by primary characteristics ( grooves and twists ) any more than you match fingerprint because it's a whorl, a loop or an arch.
    You match them from individual characterisitics. The individual characteristics are the "fingerprint".

    10. Two different makes of bullets were recovered from Tippit's body and Oswald had those same two makes of bullets in his possession when arrested a little more than a half hour later.

    ANS. Those cartridges were allegedly found on Oswald outside the lineup room for the 4:05pm lineup.
    But Oswald was searched twice before those cartridges were found and there was nothing in his pockets.
    https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/105-82555-Sec-78-pg-14-1.png >https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/image003.png
    So here we have two different Dallas policemen, one a detective and the other a uniformed officer, who searched suspect Oswald prior to the escort by Sims, Boyd and Hall to the lineup room and both reported that Oswald’s pockets were empty.

    11. Four shells were recovered from the place where the Tippit shooter was seen dumping them and those shells were positively matched to Oswald's revolver to the exclusion of all other weapons in the world.

    ANS. Were those shells ever identified by the witnesses who found them ? >https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/discovery.png

    You didn't answer one question I asked.


    On Sunday, July 9, 2023 at 7:08:15?PM, John Corbett wrote:
    Linnie Mae Randle and Buell Wesley Frazier both saw Oswald with the 38 inch package that morning.

    FACT: neither witness said anything about the package being 38 inches nor did they identify CE 142 as the package Oswald had that morning.

    On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 12:33:20?PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    Gil is speculating as to why Oswald went to Irving. He has no evidence to back up his
    speculation.

    FACT: All my evidence is shown here, complete with official documents and testimony :
    https://gil-jesus.com/the-real-reason-oswald-went-to-irving-on-11-21/

    YOU ARE A PATHOLOGICAL LIAR.

    You lie about the evidence and you lie that I don't produce evidence when you know it's all on my website:

    www.gil-jesus.com

    Every time you come in here and attack me and post your comments and avoid citing sources, you add to MY credibility, not yours.
    Because I can back up everything I say with sources, can you ?
    So far you haven't.

    Consider yourself spanked again.
    Now you can cry.


    That is indeed as bad a spanking as I ever gave Corbutt. I'm
    surprised that he hasn't decided that you aren't worth debating as
    well.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to geowright1963@gmail.com on Fri Aug 4 06:46:22 2023
    On Fri, 4 Aug 2023 03:18:09 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett
    <geowright1963@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 5:19:20?AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 1:22:48?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    More important that giving all these examples, is the fact that not a
    *SINGLE* believer has *EVER* publicly acknowledged these known
    instances of eyewitness intimidation - let alone explain them.

    Cowardice or dishonesty... you decide.

    It's funny. My dog is wrong and she gets spanked and she doesn't do it again.
    These idiots come here every day, make statements that are wrong, get spanked with the evidence and come back tomorrow for more.
    Is my dog smarter than these morons ?

    I used to try to give them the benefit of the doubt, that they were just mistaken.
    But these people flat out lie. I know because they not only lie about the evidence, they even lie about what I say.

    Their refusal to look at my evidence proves how close-minded they are. You would think that they'd at least look at it to tear it apart, but
    they won't even do that. They know that I use official records in my essays and they're scared shitless of the truth.
    They don't know and they don't WANT to know.

    The prosecution's case against Oswald was a illusion. And they were fooled. >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHzOOMdhAhE

    It's obvious to anyone except the feeble-minded Lone Nutters that in this case, witnesses were threatened, harrassed, and intimidated.
    Their statements were altered.

    And the proof of it all is right here:
    https://jfkconspiracyforum.freeforums.net/thread/1652/evidence-witness-intimidation-tampering

    At least one witness testified he signed an affidavit stating his choice from the police lineups before he even saw the lineup.

    These tactics are not used in a normal criminal investigation.
    They're not used by the prosecution in collecting evidence and they're not used by the defense because to use such tactics is illegal
    and any evidence collected from them is inadmissable in court.

    These tactics were used against witnesses, not suspects, mind you, WITNESSES.

    But to the Lone Nutter, ignorance is bliss. As the line goes in the Wizard of Oz, "pay no attention to that man behind the curtain".
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWyCCJ6B2WE

    The great and powerful Warren Commission has spoken
    .

    I'm often amused to note that when believers are spanked, they often
    reply with word vomit:

    Given you seem to live in an alternate universe with a different reality than most of earth's
    inhabitants, I'm not surprised you believe you are spanking the LNs. Every time you make an
    argument, it gets shot down like a clay pigeon. You then move on and start another thread
    and start the process all over again. You don't present evidence, Gil. You make arguments
    which in most cases are excuses to dismiss evidence, and pretty lame excuses. The funniest
    part of all this is you think you are accomplishing something with this nonsense of yours. At
    most a few dozen people read it and nobody is swayed one way or another by your arguments.
    You aren't moving the needle of public opinion one iota and contrary to what you seem to be
    hoping for, there isn't going to be another investigation into the assassination. Every such
    investigation has concluded that Oswald was the assassin although the HSCA wrongfully
    concluded there was likely a second gunman. That's where things stand now. All the history
    books identify Oswald as the assassin while mentioning that there is a widespread belief
    that he had accomplices. Nothing is going to change that. Almost everyone, regardless of
    their beliefs have moved on from the assassination. It's a non-issue. IOW, you're wasting
    your time. The LNs here are wasting their time pointing this out to you assclowns but the
    difference is, we know it. We do it for amusement only.

    So Corbutt believe's he's winning. Yet every time I challenge
    believers to put any particular argument to a poll, they run. They
    CANNOT have any outside authority judging them. They hate it when
    critics do - but just assert we're wrong. They can get away with
    that, but what they could *NOT* get away with is having some outside
    authority, whether an expert or merely disinterested polling results,
    shooting them down.

    They are, to a man, cowards and liars.

    Provably.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From John Corbett@21:1/5 to Gil Jesus on Fri Aug 4 09:14:58 2023
    On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 8:00:10 AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 6:18:11 AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    Given you seem to live in an alternate universe with a different reality than most of earth's
    inhabitants, I'm not surprised you believe you are spanking the LNs. Every time you make an
    argument, it gets shot down like a clay pigeon.
    As one who has been repeatedly spanked by me, I'm not surprised that you deny it.
    You come in here and cry every day.

    Gil, you've never been able to raise a pimple on my ass and you never will. Your when you do
    cite evidence rather than simply making illogical arguments, your analysis of it is FUBAR.

    WAAAAAA.........you're looking at the wrong things.
    WAAAAAA.........you're making excuses.
    WAAAAAA.........what about this, what about that.
    WAAAAAA.........you don't provide evidence.

    Now it's WAAAAAAA........you haven't spanked anyone.

    Let me refresh your memory.

    You claimed that Lt. Day didn't dust the rifle at the scene.
    I proved that was wrong.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RV7uLMSs4KQ

    Jesus, you have to go back over 10 fucking years to bring up a mistake I made and acknowledged.
    Just how fucking desperate are you?

    On Thursday, July 6, 2023 at 10:38:47 AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    This is a short summation of the forensic evidence at the scene of the murders of JFK and Tippit.
    1. Oswald's rifle was found on the 6th floor of the TSBD. There is a clear paper trail and photographs establishing his ownership of the rifle.

    ANS. Clear paper trail ? The shipping documents the FBI provided had neither the serial number of the rifle ( C 2766 ) nor the number of the carton it was in ( 3376 ) on them.

    https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/harborside520-1.jpg https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/harborside170.jpg https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/rupp-1.jpg

    A fine example of your FUBAR analysis.

    2. His palm print was on the underside of the barrel and fibers matching the shirt he wore were on the butt plate of the rifle.

    ANS. But the FBI said that when they examined the rifle on the day after the assassination, there was no palm print.

    How many times are you going to feign ignorance on this. How many times do you want it
    explained to you. Day LIFTED the print off the barrel. That's why it was no longer there when
    the FBI got the rifle. Day forwarded the lifted print to the FBI for analysis and they determined
    it belonged to Oswald.

    ( 4 H 24 ) The FBI agent who travelled with the rifle from Dallas to Washington, Vincent Drain, was never called to testify.

    Why not ?

    A better question would be why.

    4. Three spent shells were found at the window were the witnesses placed the shooter and they were positively matched to Oswald ( sic ) to the exclusion of all other weapons in the world.

    ANS. Those shells were found by Dallas Deputy Sheriff Luke Mooney. Did he ever identify them as the shells he found ?

    Another of your half-assed excuses for dismissing the evidence that establishes Oswald's rifle
    fired those shells.

    5. The only two bullets recovered from the shooting also were matched to Oswald's rifle to the exclusion of all other weapons in the world.

    ANS. Could one of those be the famous "stretcher bullet" which the four people who handled it couldn't identify ?
    https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/WH_Vol24_412.jpg

    You conveniently ignore the two large fragments found by the Secret Service in the limo after it
    was returned to Washington. That bullet was fired by Oswald's rifle to the exclusion of all other
    weapons in the world. Are we supposed to believe the stretcher bullet was planted but the
    fragmented bullet was legitimate.

    So far, all you've offered are excuses.

    6. Oswald's fingerprints were found on top of the boxes that had been stacked to form a rifle rest and were oriented as they would be if Oswald were facing down Elm St.

    ANS. How did Oswald lift those cartons from the top ?

    Why would you think the fingerprints were left there when he lifted the boxes. Why would you
    discount the probability that they were left there as he was facing down Elm St. either before or
    immediately after the shooting?

    7. A bag large enough to hold the disassembled rifle was found near the window with Oswald's finger and palm print and.....

    ANS. How do you know the bag was on the sixth floor ? Was it photographed in place ?
    Here's the crime scene photo. Where is it ? https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/ce729.jpg

    Gil continues to make lame excuses for dismissing another piece of damning evidence. Is he
    suggesting the DPD planted the bag? If that is the case, why are Oswald's prints on it.

    Keep those excuses coming, Gil.

    8...... fibers matching the blanket Oswald had used to store his rifle.

    ANS. Were those fibers identified as having come from the blanket in the Paine garage ?
    https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/WC_Vol4_88-stombaugh.gif

    Fiber evidence cannot be positively matched the way fingerprints or ballistic markings can be.
    Fibers could come from an identical source. It would be a remarkable coincidence if the fibers
    in Oswald's bag happened to be an exact match to the fibers from the blanket he stored his rifle
    in. Any sane person would look at that evidence and conclude the fibers came from Oswald's
    rifle blanket. Here is where Gil's inability to rationally analyze the evidence betrays him.


    9. In the case of the Tippit murder, the .38 Special bullets had been fired from a gun with a slightly larger diameter barrel that prevented consistent enough markings to positive match them to any firearm. However, the bullets had the same twist
    characteristics as Oswald's revolver.

    ANS. You don't match bullets by primary characteristics ( grooves and twists ) any more than you match fingerprint because it's a whorl, a loop or an arch.

    We don't need a positive match on the bullets because there was a positive match to the shells
    the shooter dumbed on the ground. Even if we were to believe by a remarkable coincidence, the
    Tippit bullets just happened to be the same two makes Oswald had in his possession when
    arrested and had the same twist characteristics as Oswald's revolver, you can't get around the
    fact the shells on the ground were positively matched. Again, any sane person would look at
    those facts and conclude Oswald killed Tippit even without all the eyewitnesses who IDed
    Oswald. The forensics alone makes it a slam dunk Oswald killed Tippit and the eyewitnesses
    are the icing on the cake.

    You match them from individual characterisitics. The individual characteristics are the "fingerprint".

    An oversized barrel doesn't leave a ballistic fingerprint, dumbass. That's why we turn to the
    positive matching of the shells.

    10. Two different makes of bullets were recovered from Tippit's body and Oswald had those same two makes of bullets in his possession when arrested a little more than a half hour later.

    ANS. Those cartridges were allegedly found on Oswald outside the lineup room for the 4:05pm lineup.

    Here's where Gil accuses the DPD of planting those cartridges without a scrap of evidence they
    did so.

    But Oswald was searched twice before those cartridges were found and there was nothing in his pockets.
    https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/105-82555-Sec-78-pg-14-1.png
    https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/image003.png
    So here we have two different Dallas policemen, one a detective and the other a uniformed officer, who searched suspect Oswald prior to the escort by Sims, Boyd and Hall to the lineup room and both reported that Oswald’s pockets were empty.

    Of course Gil ignores the cartridges that were in Oswald's gun which was taken from him during
    his arrest. Detective Bentley just took Oswald's wallet out of his pocket looking for identification.
    It wasn't until Oswald was taken to the police station that his pockets were emptied. And Gil
    still can't explain the matching shells. That excuse will come later, I'm sure.


    11. Four shells were recovered from the place where the Tippit shooter was seen dumping them and those shells were positively matched to Oswald's revolver to the exclusion of all other weapons in the world.

    ANS. Were those shells ever identified by the witnesses who found them ? https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/discovery.png

    How the hell would the witnesses who found the shells positively identify them? How stump
    stupid are you, Gil.

    You didn't answer one question I asked.

    You didn't like answers given you. That doesn't entitle you to ones you do like.


    On Sunday, July 9, 2023 at 7:08:15 PM, John Corbett wrote:
    Linnie Mae Randle and Buell Wesley Frazier both saw Oswald with the 38 inch package that morning.

    FACT: neither witness said anything about the package being 38 inches nor did they identify CE 142 as the package Oswald had that morning.

    The bag Oswald brought into the TSBD with his prints on it was measured at 38 inches. That
    trumps the guesstimate by Randle and Frazier.

    On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 12:33:20 PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    Gil is speculating as to why Oswald went to Irving. He has no evidence to back up his
    speculation.

    FACT: All my evidence is shown here, complete with official documents and testimony :
    https://gil-jesus.com/the-real-reason-oswald-went-to-irving-on-11-21/

    It's your analysis that is FUBAR. You have shown evidence Oswald and Marina had an argument
    and he had not gone to Irving the previous weekend. That doesn't establish that was his reason
    for going to Irving on Thursday. We need your FUBAR analysis to get there.

    YOU ARE A PATHOLOGICAL LIAR.

    You lie about the evidence and you lie that I don't produce evidence when you know it's all on my website:

    The evidence you cite doesn't establish what you claim it does. Your claims are not evidence.
    They are your analysis and that is what is FUBAR.

    www.gil-jesus.com

    Every time you come in here and attack me and post your comments and avoid citing sources, you add to MY credibility, not yours.

    You have no credibility, Gil.

    Because I can back up everything I say with sources, can you ?
    So far you haven't.

    I'm not the one claiming conspiracy. You are. So far, no evidence of such. Just speculation and
    inuendo.

    Consider yourself spanked again.
    Now you can cry.

    First time I ever got spanked without feeling a thing.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to geowright1963@gmail.com on Fri Aug 4 10:13:39 2023
    On Fri, 4 Aug 2023 09:14:58 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett
    <geowright1963@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 8:00:10?AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 6:18:11?AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    Given you seem to live in an alternate universe with a different reality than most of earth's
    inhabitants, I'm not surprised you believe you are spanking the LNs. Every time you make an
    argument, it gets shot down like a clay pigeon.
    As one who has been repeatedly spanked by me, I'm not surprised that you deny it.
    You come in here and cry every day.

    Gil, you've never been able to raise a pimple on my ass and you never will. Your when you do
    cite evidence rather than simply making illogical arguments, your analysis of it is FUBAR.


    I've oft noted the tendency of believers to scramble their grammar
    when upset.

    Corbutt is illustrating here how upset he is at being spanked.


    WAAAAAA.........you're looking at the wrong things.
    WAAAAAA.........you're making excuses.
    WAAAAAA.........what about this, what about that.
    WAAAAAA.........you don't provide evidence.

    Now it's WAAAAAAA........you haven't spanked anyone.

    Let me refresh your memory.

    You claimed that Lt. Day didn't dust the rifle at the scene.
    I proved that was wrong.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RV7uLMSs4KQ

    Jesus, you have to go back over 10 fucking years to bring up a mistake I made and acknowledged.
    Just how fucking desperate are you?


    Can you cite where you acknowledged your lie?

    Calling it a "mistake" is simpliy a justification on your part unless
    you can source it from somewhere other than your fevered mind.


    On Thursday, July 6, 2023 at 10:38:47?AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    This is a short summation of the forensic evidence at the scene of the murders of JFK and Tippit.
    1. Oswald's rifle was found on the 6th floor of the TSBD. There is a clear paper trail and photographs establishing his ownership of the rifle.

    ANS. Clear paper trail ? The shipping documents the FBI provided had neither the serial number of the rifle ( C 2766 ) nor the number of the carton it was in ( 3376 ) on them.

    https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/harborside520-1.jpg
    https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/harborside170.jpg
    https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/rupp-1.jpg

    A fine example of your FUBAR analysis.


    A fine example of your cowardice. Gil is stating FACTS... you're
    running.


    2. His palm print was on the underside of the barrel and fibers matching the shirt he wore were on the butt plate of the rifle.

    ANS. But the FBI said that when they examined the rifle on the day after the assassination, there was no palm print.

    How many times are you going to feign ignorance on this. How many times do you want it
    explained to you. Day LIFTED the print off the barrel. That's why it was no longer there when
    the FBI got the rifle. Day forwarded the lifted print to the FBI for analysis and they determined
    it belonged to Oswald.


    There you go, lying again.

    How many times need we point it out before you stop doing it?

    Mr. BELIN. You are referring to Commission Exhibit 637?
    Mr. DAY. Yes.
    Mr. BELIN. Is there any particular reason why this was not released on
    the 22d?
    Mr. DAY. The gun was being sent in to them for process of prints.
    Actually I thought the print on the gun was their best bet, still
    remained on there, and, too, there was another print, I thought
    possibly under the wood part up near the trigger housing.
    Mr. BELIN. You mean the remaining traces of the powder you had when
    you got the lift, Exhibit 637, is that what you mean by the lift of
    the remaining print on the gun?
    Mr. DAY. Yes, sir. Actually it was dried ridges on there. There were
    traces of ridges still on the gun barrel.

    Now that you've been corrected again, how long will it be before you
    spout this outright lie again?


    ( 4 H 24 ) The FBI agent who travelled with the rifle from Dallas to Washington, Vincent Drain, was never called to testify.

    Why not ?

    A better question would be why.


    You have no answer, so you pretend that his testimony wouldn't be
    relevant.

    You're lying, of course.


    4. Three spent shells were found at the window were the witnesses placed the shooter and they were positively matched to Oswald ( sic ) to the exclusion of all other weapons in the world.

    ANS. Those shells were found by Dallas Deputy Sheriff Luke Mooney. Did he ever identify them as the shells he found ?


    Logical fallacy deleted.


    5. The only two bullets recovered from the shooting also were matched to Oswald's rifle to the exclusion of all other weapons in the world.

    ANS. Could one of those be the famous "stretcher bullet" which the four people who handled it couldn't identify ?
    https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/WH_Vol24_412.jpg

    You conveniently ignore ...


    Logical fallacy deleted.


    6. Oswald's fingerprints were found on top of the boxes that had been stacked to form a rifle rest and were oriented as they would be if Oswald were facing down Elm St.

    ANS. How did Oswald lift those cartons from the top ?

    Why would you think the fingerprints were left there when he lifted the boxes. Why would you
    discount the probability that they were left there as he was facing down Elm St. either before or
    immediately after the shooting?


    Ah! Fingers make up their own mind as to when to leave prints - and
    when the weight of the cartons would logically have caused prints, the
    fingers just said "no."

    What a kook you are!!!


    7. A bag large enough to hold the disassembled rifle was found near the window with Oswald's finger and palm print and.....

    ANS. How do you know the bag was on the sixth floor ? Was it photographed in place ?
    Here's the crime scene photo. Where is it ?
    https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/ce729.jpg


    Logical fallacy deleted.

    Corbutt's reliance on logical fallacies shows that *HE* knows he lost.


    8...... fibers matching the blanket Oswald had used to store his rifle.

    ANS. Were those fibers identified as having come from the blanket in the Paine garage ?
    https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/WC_Vol4_88-stombaugh.gif

    Fiber evidence cannot be positively matched the way fingerprints or ballistic markings can be.
    Fibers could come from an identical source. It would be a remarkable coincidence if the fibers
    in Oswald's bag happened to be an exact match to the fibers from the blanket he stored his rifle
    in. Any sane person would look at that evidence and conclude the fibers came from Oswald's
    rifle blanket. Here is where Gil's inability to rationally analyze the evidence betrays him.


    Here we see Corbutt arguing that Stombaugh was insane.


    9. In the case of the Tippit murder, the .38 Special bullets had been fired from a gun with a slightly larger diameter barrel that prevented consistent enough markings to positive match them to any firearm. However, the bullets had the same twist
    characteristics as Oswald's revolver.

    ANS. You don't match bullets by primary characteristics ( grooves and twists ) any more than you match fingerprint because it's a whorl, a loop or an arch.


    Long logical fallacy deleted.

    Just take your spanking like a man...


    You match them from individual characterisitics. The individual characteristics are the "fingerprint".


    Logical fallacy deleted.


    10. Two different makes of bullets were recovered from Tippit's body and Oswald had those same two makes of bullets in his possession when arrested a little more than a half hour later.

    ANS. Those cartridges were allegedly found on Oswald outside the lineup room for the 4:05pm lineup.

    Here's where Gil accuses the DPD of planting those cartridges without a scrap of evidence they
    did so.


    Yet, strangely enough, Gil then provides the "scraps" of evidence that
    Corbutt just denied existed immediately below...

    When Corbutt has to lie so blantantly, lurkers will wonder...


    But Oswald was searched twice before those cartridges were found and there was nothing in his pockets.
    https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/105-82555-Sec-78-pg-14-1.png
    https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/image003.png
    So here we have two different Dallas policemen, one a detective and the other a uniformed officer, who searched suspect Oswald prior to the escort by Sims, Boyd and Hall to the lineup room and both reported that Oswald’s pockets were empty.

    Of course Gil ignores...


    Of course, Corbutt ignores the fact that his lie above has just been
    proven. And rather than retract his lie, he doubles down and changes
    the topic again...


    11. Four shells were recovered from the place where the Tippit shooter was seen dumping them and those shells were positively matched to Oswald's revolver to the exclusion of all other weapons in the world.

    ANS. Were those shells ever identified by the witnesses who found them ?
    https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/discovery.png

    How the hell would the witnesses who found the shells positively identify them?


    Normal procedure... they mark them.

    Being ignorant can be fixed if you're an honest person...


    You didn't answer one question I asked.


    Logical fallacy deleted.


    On Sunday, July 9, 2023 at 7:08:15?PM, John Corbett wrote:
    Linnie Mae Randle and Buell Wesley Frazier both saw Oswald with the 38 inch package that morning.

    FACT: neither witness said anything about the package being 38 inches nor did they identify CE 142 as the package Oswald had that morning.

    The bag Oswald brought into the TSBD with his prints on it was measured at 38 inches. That
    trumps the guesstimate by Randle and Frazier.


    The logical fallacy just spouted by Corbutt doesn't refute what Gil
    just stated.

    Gil's statement is still just as true and just as obvious as it was
    before Corbutt pretended to refute it.


    On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 12:33:20?PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    Gil is speculating as to why Oswald went to Irving. He has no evidence to back up his
    speculation.

    FACT: All my evidence is shown here, complete with official documents and testimony :
    https://gil-jesus.com/the-real-reason-oswald-went-to-irving-on-11-21/

    It's your analysis ...


    Tut tut tut, Corbutt. Don't I recall you claiming that Gil was
    providing *NO* evidence with his cites to his website?

    Correct me if I'm wrong - but it seems to me that *YOU'VE* been caught
    lying..


    YOU ARE A PATHOLOGICAL LIAR.

    You lie about the evidence and you lie that I don't produce evidence when you know it's all on my website:

    The evidence you cite doesn't establish what you claim it does. Your claims are not evidence.
    They are your analysis and that is what is FUBAR.


    And as Chickenshit points out, when you make empty and unsupported
    claims like this - you're lying.

    Liars lie, that's what liars do.


    www.gil-jesus.com

    Every time you come in here and attack me and post your comments and avoid citing sources, you add to MY credibility, not yours.

    You have no credibility, Gil.


    You're lying again, Corbutt.


    Because I can back up everything I say with sources, can you ?
    So far you haven't.

    I'm not the one claiming conspiracy.


    Sorry moron, you have the SAME burden Gil has. He supports his
    statements, YOU NEED TO SUPPORT YOUR STATEMENTS.



    Consider yourself spanked again.
    Now you can cry.

    First time I ever got spanked...


    Naa... you've been spanked quite a few times in this forum.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Bud@21:1/5 to Chuck Schuyler on Fri Aug 4 10:40:49 2023
    On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 12:07:15 AM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 3:55:12 PM UTC-5, Bud wrote:
    On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 4:20:03 PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 1:38:19 PM UTC-5, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 2:13:41 PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    Tough to understand why the "conspirators" would focus on a minor piece in the overall story like Warren Reynolds and target him for elimination. Even harder to understand why your conspiracy would hire Darrel
    Garner (or hire anyone else for that matter as Garner was released) to shoot him with a .22 firearm.

    It's hard for you to understand how 2+2=4.
    This is a thread about witness intimidation and tampering.
    Who said anything about a conspiracy ?
    You. Constantly. For decades.
    It is the purpose of this forum. But they really have very little in favor of conspiracy. The "back and to the left" argument for a frontal shot. The "a lot of people thought the shots came from the knoll" argument. After that they are about spent.
    So if no conspiracy, one of the possibilities you're are hinting at is that Oswald acted alone and somebody--you're not sure who--was "intimidating" some minor bit player in the saga named Warren Reynolds to provide a stronger identification of the
    already dead Oswald?

    You can't be serious.

    Do you ever stop and take a breath and just reflect on how stupid some of this stuff is?
    It`s hard to even see how it can make sense. They unscrewed Reynold`s lightbulb so he would make a more positive ID in Oswald? How does Reynolds know that making a positive identification isn`t the exact opposite of what they wanted from him?

    What works is going to Reynolds and saying "Unless you strongly assert it was Oswald you saw we will kill your dog." How does he know what they want from him by just doing random bad things to him?
    Reynolds testified that he believed the shooting was connected with his encounter with "Oswald".
    "It would be fair to think that somebody shot me on account of they thought I knew something or had some connection with Lee Oswald." ( 11 H 438 )

    Coincidently, he was shot on January 23, 1964, ( 11 H 437 ) the day after he gave a statement to the FBI.
    https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh25/html/WC_Vol25_0381a.htm

    But you knew that, didn't you ?
    Fun with numbers.

    The odds of him getting shot, or anything else happening the day after giving a statement to the FBI, is one in three hundred sixty-five, Gil. That's how many days there are in a non-leap year.

    I was filling up a rental car with gas about a thousand miles from my home in Minnesota where I live and ran into the little convenience store to get a coffee and bumped into one of my oldest friends from childhood in Chicago, where he still lives.
    He was traveling on business and had just filled up the tank on his rental car and was in grabbing a snack, too. We chatted for about thirty minutes, totally blown away by the incredible coincidence of it all. What are the odds?

    I can`t come up with anything even close to that in my life. I can`t even think of any extraordinary coincidence that I ever personally experienced. But if something like this did happen to me, my innate paranoia would kick in (which is really just
    an evolved survival trait). Like my father used to say "Just because you are paranoid doesn`t mean they aren`t out to get you".
    History (and life) is full of these types of coincidences and oddities. They are what they are. WW1 turned on the chance encounter Gavrilo Princip had with the car Archduke Franz Ferdinand was a passenger in. Before the fatal shooting, Princip had
    missed his chance, along with some fellow would-be assassins, to kill Ferdinand when a grenade thrown at the motorcade by a Princip co-conspirator caused Ferdinand's driver to speed up and past Princip. He wandered to a nearby restaurant. Minutes later,
    Ferdinand's driver took a wrong turn and the car literally stopped feet from Princip. The car stalled trying to back away, and Princip, who probably couldn't believe his "luck", whipped out his pistol and fired point blank, killing the Archduke and his
    wife. For the want of a wrong turn, for the want of Princip being in front of that restaurant and not wandering somewhere else or going home, for the want of Ferdinand's auto stalling, WW1 started. Perhaps something else would've lit the fuse, but
    Princip guaranteed it with his chance encounter.

    Ah, but was it really a chance encounter? They went to that specific town because they knew the person they wanted to kill would be there. A lot less of a longshot when much of the happenstance is arranged.

    I was thinking about your chance encounter, that there are maybe a couple hundred people from your past that you would recognize and stop and talk with if you came across them. And maybe you made a dozen stops on your trip. So although it is still an
    incredible longshot, you might consider that you are sort of buying longshot lottery tickets for such an encounter every day.

    I was also thinking about the coincidence of Oswald getting a job along the motorcade route. There was probably a very small pool of people who would attempt to kill Kennedy given such a opportunity. But I expect if Oswald was working anywhere in the
    Dallas area he would taken the day off and stepped off a curb with his handgun and tried his luck.

    One of the many problems JFK Truthers have is that THERE ARE NO COINCIDENCES. Everything happens by design, there is no such thing as happenstance. The mind boggles at all of the little things that didn't happen on 11/22/63 which would've derailed
    Oswald's attempt.

    I think he made the most of all the advantages he had. He could go to the place the rifle was kept at a moments notice. He had transportation available. He laid the groundwork for having a package with the story about the curtains rods. The person
    driving him wasn`t nosy. I expect he dropped the package with the rifle behind the door as soon as he entered the first door and went into the main room where Dougherty was, which is why Dougherty saw no package. He had the advantage of free movement
    anywhere in the building with no questions asked and he took advantage of this. He could scout a floor, and move the rifle up. I expect the rifle was once where the clipboard was found, an out of the way area. By treating each step as a problem solving
    exercise no single step in fraught with a whole lot of danger. If someone crossed paths with Oswald with some mundane paper covered object does anyone even ask the anti-social loner what it is?


    Case in point, there was a group of eco-terrorists years ago that were burning down certain businesses. They got away with it for years, but then the authorities got one to turn informant. They wired him and then had him have a "chance encounter"
    with one of the main members who he hadn`t had contact with for awhile. They then talked about "old times", including the crimes they committed together. This was enough to charge the ringleader.

    Life is weird, Gil.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From BT George@21:1/5 to John Corbett on Fri Aug 4 10:35:52 2023
    On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 5:58:57 AM UTC-5, John Corbett wrote:
    On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 3:43:00 PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 1:56:12 PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
    On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 1:50:41 PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 1:32:17 PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
    You can`t even say what the concept "eyewitness intimidation" is, or what it entails.
    It's all explained right here:
    Explain it right here. What is the concept?

    https://jfkconspiracyforum.freeforums.net/thread/1652/evidence-witness-intimidation-tampering
    Bud is scared shitless of links. He's afraid to click on them.
    The answers to all of your questions are right here:

    https://jfkconspiracyforum.freeforums.net/thread/1652/evidence-witness-intimidation-tampering

    If you're afraid of the link, then shut the fuck up.
    There's nothing wrong with using a link to back up a point you are making. It's when people
    use links in lieu of making a point that reveals weakness. Usually that is done when someone
    can't articulate a cogent argument and instead post a link and claim that the point is made
    somewhere within the link. They use links as a crutch for their inability to articulate.

    In Gill's case, I am quite sure you are right. I sometimes use links because I don't have time to regurgitate it all again. Having said that, once someone indicates they want at least a sample of it before they will engate with it, I usually try to
    oblige. Only exception is those cases where I am just posting a link to make a point, and know it will be rejected anyway and any invitation to discuss it just to do what Holmes does all the time. (Ignore what you say and declare himself the winner no
    matter how bad he gets beaten.)

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 11 14:22:36 2023
    On Thu, 3 Aug 2023 08:11:45 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirslick@fast.net>
    wrote:

    On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 10:00:40?AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Fri, 28 Jul 2023 10:26:19 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:

    On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 12:59:30?PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 9:49:31?AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Fri, 28 Jul 2023 04:26:23 -0700 (PDT), Gil Jesus
    <gjjma...@gmail.com> wrote:
    https://jfkconspiracyforum.freeforums.net/thread/1652/evidence-witness-intimidation-tampering

    I've spoke about the KNOWN eyewitness intimidation for years, and not >>>>> *ONE SINGLE BELIEVER* has ever publicly acknowledged these facts,
    refuted me, or explained it.

    They can't.
    I didn't even mention the case of Warren Reynolds, who was shot in the head in the basement of his brother's used car lot
    the day after he told the FBI that, " he would definitely hesitate to identify Oswald as the individual" he followed. ( 25 H 731 )
    No one was ever charged in that shooting. A suspect was arrested and then released.
    They wanted him to know the guy was still out there.

    Not only was Reynolds being targeted, his family and his property it seems was being targeted as well.
    Less than a month after his shooting, a man tried to lure his 10 year old daughter into his car with the promise of candy. ( 11 H 441 )

    Someone also unscrewed the light bulb in his porch light so it wouldn't go on when he threw the switch. ( ibid. pg. 442 )
    The porch light was rendered useless during any attack on his property after dark .

    Five months later he testified that he identified Oswald ,"in my mind" after seeing him on televison and in the newspapers.
    Such an identification is not considered positive.
    He never came forward to identify Oswald officially until his Warren Commission testimony.

    The harrassment worked. Reynolds changed his mind and went on the record as identifying Oswald.

    What is it worth...

    For you to run from the facts?

    Nothing at all. No-one expects truth from a coward.


    Logical fallacy deleted.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)