• Vincent Bugliosi's 53 Reasons - #45 - Refuted

    From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jul 24 07:38:33 2023
    (45) Oswald lied about owning a rifle, and about owning the
    Mannlicher-Carcano specifically.

    You *first* must show that he actually owned a rifle before claiming
    that he lied about owning one. The evidence for his ownership has been
    shown by researchers to be far less impressive than the Warren
    Commission made it out to be.

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  • From Chuck Schuyler@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Mon Jul 24 08:21:38 2023
    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 9:38:36 AM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    (45) Oswald lied about owning a rifle, and about owning the Mannlicher-Carcano specifically.

    You *first* must show that he actually owned a rifle before claiming
    that he lied about owning one. The evidence for his ownership has been
    shown by researchers to be far less impressive than the Warren
    Commission made it out to be.

    What evidence would you accept that he owned the rifle?

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to chuckschuyler123@gmail.com on Mon Jul 24 09:15:23 2023
    On Mon, 24 Jul 2023 08:21:38 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler <chuckschuyler123@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 9:38:36?AM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    (45) Oswald lied about owning a rifle, and about owning the
    Mannlicher-Carcano specifically.

    You *first* must show that he actually owned a rifle before claiming
    that he lied about owning one. The evidence for his ownership has been
    shown by researchers to be far less impressive than the Warren
    Commission made it out to be.

    What evidence would you accept that he owned the rifle?

    The same thing a jury would. But not your speculation. CITE the
    evidence, let's look at it.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to chuckschuyler123@gmail.com on Mon Jul 24 09:29:06 2023
    On Mon, 24 Jul 2023 09:27:30 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler <chuckschuyler123@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 11:15:26?AM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Mon, 24 Jul 2023 08:21:38 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler
    <chucksch...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 9:38:36?AM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    (45) Oswald lied about owning a rifle, and about owning the
    Mannlicher-Carcano specifically.

    You *first* must show that he actually owned a rifle before claiming
    that he lied about owning one. The evidence for his ownership has been >>>> shown by researchers to be far less impressive than the Warren
    Commission made it out to be.

    What evidence would you accept that he owned the rifle?

    The same thing a jury would.

    How do you know a jury wouldn't have accepted...


    Where did I say this? Are you just molesting your own father again?


    But not your speculation. CITE the
    evidence, let's look at it.


    And Chuckles simply ran away...

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  • From Chuck Schuyler@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Mon Jul 24 09:27:30 2023
    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 11:15:26 AM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Mon, 24 Jul 2023 08:21:38 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler <chucksch...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 9:38:36?AM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    (45) Oswald lied about owning a rifle, and about owning the
    Mannlicher-Carcano specifically.

    You *first* must show that he actually owned a rifle before claiming
    that he lied about owning one. The evidence for his ownership has been
    shown by researchers to be far less impressive than the Warren
    Commission made it out to be.

    What evidence would you accept that he owned the rifle?


    The same thing a jury would.

    How do you know a jury wouldn't have accepted the evidence developed by the DPD, FBI, etc.?

    But not your speculation. CITE the
    evidence, let's look at it.

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  • From Bud@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Mon Jul 24 11:08:50 2023
    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 12:15:26 PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Mon, 24 Jul 2023 08:21:38 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler <chucksch...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 9:38:36?AM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    (45) Oswald lied about owning a rifle, and about owning the
    Mannlicher-Carcano specifically.

    You *first* must show that he actually owned a rifle before claiming
    that he lied about owning one. The evidence for his ownership has been
    shown by researchers to be far less impressive than the Warren
    Commission made it out to be.

    What evidence would you accept that he owned the rifle?
    The same thing a jury would.

    That is what there is.

    But not your speculation. CITE the
    evidence, let's look at it.

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  • From Chuck Schuyler@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Mon Jul 24 10:32:25 2023
    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 11:29:09 AM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Mon, 24 Jul 2023 09:27:30 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler <chucksch...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 11:15:26?AM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Mon, 24 Jul 2023 08:21:38 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler
    <chucksch...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 9:38:36?AM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    (45) Oswald lied about owning a rifle, and about owning the
    Mannlicher-Carcano specifically.

    You *first* must show that he actually owned a rifle before claiming >>>> that he lied about owning one. The evidence for his ownership has been >>>> shown by researchers to be far less impressive than the Warren
    Commission made it out to be.

    What evidence would you accept that he owned the rifle?

    The same thing a jury would.

    How do you know a jury wouldn't have accepted...


    Where did I say this?

    You didn't, stupid. Try and follow. I asked you a question regarding how you know a jury wouldn't have accepted the evidence developed by the DPD, FBI, etc.?


    Are you just molesting your own father again?
    But not your speculation. CITE the
    evidence, let's look at it.
    And Chuckles simply ran away...

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  • From Bud@21:1/5 to Chuck Schuyler on Mon Jul 24 11:10:43 2023
    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 1:32:27 PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 11:29:09 AM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Mon, 24 Jul 2023 09:27:30 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler <chucksch...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 11:15:26?AM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Mon, 24 Jul 2023 08:21:38 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler
    <chucksch...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 9:38:36?AM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    (45) Oswald lied about owning a rifle, and about owning the
    Mannlicher-Carcano specifically.

    You *first* must show that he actually owned a rifle before claiming >>>> that he lied about owning one. The evidence for his ownership has been
    shown by researchers to be far less impressive than the Warren
    Commission made it out to be.

    What evidence would you accept that he owned the rifle?

    The same thing a jury would.

    How do you know a jury wouldn't have accepted...


    Where did I say this?
    You didn't, stupid. Try and follow. I asked you a question regarding how you know a jury wouldn't have accepted the evidence developed by the DPD, FBI, etc.?

    Ben is doing his slippery, slimy thing. He makes it appear as if he is taking a position, but if you question the position he appears to be taking he claims he isn`t taking that position.

    Are you just molesting your own father again?
    But not your speculation. CITE the
    evidence, let's look at it.
    And Chuckles simply ran away...

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  • From Gil Jesus@21:1/5 to Chuck Schuyler on Mon Jul 24 12:31:22 2023
    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 12:27:32 PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    How do you know a jury wouldn't have accepted the evidence developed by the DPD, FBI, etc.?

    Another stupid question from another one of our resident MENSA members.

    A jury could not have accepted evidence that would not be allowed at trial.

    For example, a jury would have NEVER heard any evidence from Marina Oswald. That includes anything she would have said about:

    The rifle
    The handgun
    The "grayish-tan" jacket
    The "backyard" photographs

    The whole Walker shooting would have been inadmissable. The Commission knew that.
    https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/mosk.jpg

    Oswald's Constitutional Rights under the 5th and 6th Amendments were violated by police.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwSDb1fB7ZI

    That alone would have resulted in anything Oswald said during his interrogation inadmissbile as evidence.
    Chief Curry admitted that Oswald had requested a lawyer. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCuz2vl0G2Y

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to chuckschuyler123@gmail.com on Mon Jul 24 13:42:03 2023
    On Mon, 24 Jul 2023 10:32:25 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler <chuckschuyler123@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 11:29:09?AM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Mon, 24 Jul 2023 09:27:30 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler
    <chucksch...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 11:15:26?AM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Mon, 24 Jul 2023 08:21:38 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler
    <chucksch...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 9:38:36?AM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    (45) Oswald lied about owning a rifle, and about owning the
    Mannlicher-Carcano specifically.

    You *first* must show that he actually owned a rifle before claiming >>>>>> that he lied about owning one. The evidence for his ownership has been >>>>>> shown by researchers to be far less impressive than the Warren
    Commission made it out to be.

    What evidence would you accept that he owned the rifle?

    The same thing a jury would.

    How do you know a jury wouldn't have accepted...

    Where did I say this?

    You didn't, stupid.

    Why are you calling *ME* stupid for pointing out that you're molesting
    your own mother again?

    I answered your question - now it's time for *YOU* to put up or shut
    up.

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  • From John Corbett@21:1/5 to Gil Jesus on Mon Jul 24 14:24:52 2023
    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 3:31:23 PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 12:27:32 PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    How do you know a jury wouldn't have accepted the evidence developed by the DPD, FBI, etc.?
    Another stupid question from another one of our resident MENSA members.

    A jury could not have accepted evidence that would not be allowed at trial.

    For example, a jury would have NEVER heard any evidence from Marina Oswald. That includes anything she would have said about:

    The rifle
    The handgun
    The "grayish-tan" jacket
    The "backyard" photographs

    The whole Walker shooting would have been inadmissable. The Commission knew that.
    https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/mosk.jpg

    Oswald's Constitutional Rights under the 5th and 6th Amendments were violated by police.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwSDb1fB7ZI

    That alone would have resulted in anything Oswald said during his interrogation inadmissbile as evidence.
    Chief Curry admitted that Oswald had requested a lawyer. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCuz2vl0G2Y

    Gil continues to make excuses to dismiss all the evidence we have that Oswald killed JFK.
    What a jury would have heard is irrelevant since Oswald was never put on trial. Someone
    interested in knowing whether Oswald did the deed would consider all available information.
    History doesn't let people off on technicalities. Gil seems to have no interest in knowing
    whether Oswald actually pulled the trigger in the murders of two men. That is the only thing
    that matters now. It is impossible to construct a plausible scenario for Oswald's innocence
    that takes into account all known facts. That is why Gil has never attempted to do so.

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  • From Chuck Schuyler@21:1/5 to Gil Jesus on Mon Jul 24 14:21:57 2023
    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 2:31:23 PM UTC-5, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 12:27:32 PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    How do you know a jury wouldn't have accepted the evidence developed by the DPD, FBI, etc.?
    Another stupid question from another one of our resident MENSA members.

    A jury could not have accepted evidence that would not be allowed at trial.

    For example, a jury would have NEVER heard any evidence from Marina Oswald. That includes anything she would have said about:

    The rifle
    The handgun
    The "grayish-tan" jacket
    The "backyard" photographs

    The whole Walker shooting would have been inadmissable. The Commission knew that.
    https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/mosk.jpg

    Oswald's Constitutional Rights under the 5th and 6th Amendments were violated by police.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwSDb1fB7ZI

    That alone would have resulted in anything Oswald said during his interrogation inadmissbile as evidence.
    Chief Curry admitted that Oswald had requested a lawyer. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCuz2vl0G2Y

    So if the glove doesn't fit you must acquit? Is that how you figure it, Johnny Cochrane?

    Do you have any interest regarding what happened that day, or are you acting as Oswald's unappointed Earthly legal ambassador to argue about on discussion boards what would be allowed in court?

    What happened on 11/22/63, Gil?

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to chuckschuyler123@gmail.com on Mon Jul 24 14:36:12 2023
    On Mon, 24 Jul 2023 14:21:57 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler <chuckschuyler123@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 2:31:23?PM UTC-5, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 12:27:32?PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    How do you know a jury wouldn't have accepted the evidence developed by the DPD, FBI, etc.?
    Another stupid question from another one of our resident MENSA members.

    A jury could not have accepted evidence that would not be allowed at trial. >>
    For example, a jury would have NEVER heard any evidence from Marina Oswald. >> That includes anything she would have said about:

    The rifle
    The handgun
    The "grayish-tan" jacket
    The "backyard" photographs

    The whole Walker shooting would have been inadmissable. The Commission knew that.
    https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/mosk.jpg

    Oswald's Constitutional Rights under the 5th and 6th Amendments were violated by police.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwSDb1fB7ZI

    That alone would have resulted in anything Oswald said during his interrogation inadmissbile as evidence.
    Chief Curry admitted that Oswald had requested a lawyer.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCuz2vl0G2Y

    Logical fallacies deleted.

    If you're terrified of the points Gil raises, just say so.

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  • From Chuck Schuyler@21:1/5 to John Corbett on Mon Jul 24 14:39:21 2023
    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 4:24:54 PM UTC-5, John Corbett wrote:
    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 3:31:23 PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 12:27:32 PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    How do you know a jury wouldn't have accepted the evidence developed by the DPD, FBI, etc.?
    Another stupid question from another one of our resident MENSA members.

    A jury could not have accepted evidence that would not be allowed at trial.

    For example, a jury would have NEVER heard any evidence from Marina Oswald.
    That includes anything she would have said about:

    The rifle
    The handgun
    The "grayish-tan" jacket
    The "backyard" photographs

    The whole Walker shooting would have been inadmissable. The Commission knew that.
    https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/mosk.jpg

    Oswald's Constitutional Rights under the 5th and 6th Amendments were violated by police.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwSDb1fB7ZI

    That alone would have resulted in anything Oswald said during his interrogation inadmissbile as evidence.
    Chief Curry admitted that Oswald had requested a lawyer. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCuz2vl0G2Y
    Gil continues to make excuses to dismiss all the evidence we have that Oswald killed JFK.
    What a jury would have heard is irrelevant since Oswald was never put on trial. Someone
    interested in knowing whether Oswald did the deed would consider all available information.
    History doesn't let people off on technicalities. Gil seems to have no interest in knowing
    whether Oswald actually pulled the trigger in the murders of two men. That is the only thing
    that matters now. It is impossible to construct a plausible scenario for Oswald's innocence
    that takes into account all known facts. That is why Gil has never attempted to do so.

    They live in some weird fantasy universe where prints, fiber evidence, receipts, shipping records, ballistic evidence, eyewitness accounts, etc. is all magically disallowed. An entire mosaic of evidence of different types--consilience--that all
    interconnects and tells a story which points to Oswald as the perp, is all false, forged, tainted, wrong, planted, illegally coerced, manufactured, inadmissible, dubious, irrelevant, etc.

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  • From Bud@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Mon Jul 24 14:42:38 2023
    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 5:39:22 PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Mon, 24 Jul 2023 07:38:33 -0700, Ben Holmes <Ad...@ConspiracyJFKForum.com> wrote:

    (45) Oswald lied about owning a rifle, and about owning the >Mannlicher-Carcano specifically.

    You *first* must show that he actually owned a rifle before claiming
    that he lied about owning one. The evidence for his ownership has been >shown by researchers to be far less impressive than the Warren
    Commission made it out to be.
    Isn't it amusing that we've thus far seen 6 replies by 3 believers,
    and not **ONE** of them has simply cited the evidence that Oswald
    owned a rifle???

    It doesn't take a genius to figure out what this fact means...

    Nobody is falling for your crooked games.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to Admin@ConspiracyJFKForum.com on Mon Jul 24 14:39:18 2023
    On Mon, 24 Jul 2023 07:38:33 -0700, Ben Holmes
    <Admin@ConspiracyJFKForum.com> wrote:

    (45) Oswald lied about owning a rifle, and about owning the >Mannlicher-Carcano specifically.

    You *first* must show that he actually owned a rifle before claiming
    that he lied about owning one. The evidence for his ownership has been
    shown by researchers to be far less impressive than the Warren
    Commission made it out to be.

    Isn't it amusing that we've thus far seen 6 replies by 3 believers,
    and not **ONE** of them has simply cited the evidence that Oswald
    owned a rifle???

    It doesn't take a genius to figure out what this fact means...

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  • From Bud@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Mon Jul 24 14:46:04 2023
    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 5:36:16 PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Mon, 24 Jul 2023 14:21:57 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler <chucksch...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 2:31:23?PM UTC-5, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 12:27:32?PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    How do you know a jury wouldn't have accepted the evidence developed by the DPD, FBI, etc.?
    Another stupid question from another one of our resident MENSA members. >>
    A jury could not have accepted evidence that would not be allowed at trial.

    For example, a jury would have NEVER heard any evidence from Marina Oswald.
    That includes anything she would have said about:

    The rifle
    The handgun
    The "grayish-tan" jacket
    The "backyard" photographs

    The whole Walker shooting would have been inadmissable. The Commission knew that.
    https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/mosk.jpg

    Oswald's Constitutional Rights under the 5th and 6th Amendments were violated by police.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwSDb1fB7ZI

    That alone would have resulted in anything Oswald said during his interrogation inadmissbile as evidence.
    Chief Curry admitted that Oswald had requested a lawyer.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCuz2vl0G2Y
    Logical fallacies deleted.

    If you're terrified of the points Gil raises, just say so.

    "The Dunning-Kruger effect is the phenomenon by which those least competent in a certain subject area overestimate their skills the most."

    Can anyone imagine Gil in a court of law against the accomplished, legally trained people who served on the Warren Commission? It would be like a infant versus a silverback gorilla.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to chuckschuyler123@gmail.com on Mon Jul 24 14:47:12 2023
    On Mon, 24 Jul 2023 14:39:21 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler <chuckschuyler123@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 4:24:54?PM UTC-5, John Corbett wrote:
    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 3:31:23?PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 12:27:32?PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    How do you know a jury wouldn't have accepted the evidence developed by the DPD, FBI, etc.?
    Another stupid question from another one of our resident MENSA members.

    A jury could not have accepted evidence that would not be allowed at trial. >>>
    For example, a jury would have NEVER heard any evidence from Marina Oswald. >>> That includes anything she would have said about:

    The rifle
    The handgun
    The "grayish-tan" jacket
    The "backyard" photographs

    The whole Walker shooting would have been inadmissable. The Commission knew that.
    https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/mosk.jpg

    Oswald's Constitutional Rights under the 5th and 6th Amendments were violated by police.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwSDb1fB7ZI

    That alone would have resulted in anything Oswald said during his interrogation inadmissbile as evidence.
    Chief Curry admitted that Oswald had requested a lawyer.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCuz2vl0G2Y
    Gil continues to make excuses to dismiss all the evidence we have that Oswald killed JFK.
    What a jury would have heard is irrelevant since Oswald was never put on trial. Someone
    interested in knowing whether Oswald did the deed would consider all available information.
    History doesn't let people off on technicalities. Gil seems to have no interest in knowing
    whether Oswald actually pulled the trigger in the murders of two men. That is the only thing
    that matters now. It is impossible to construct a plausible scenario for Oswald's innocence
    that takes into account all known facts. That is why Gil has never attempted to do so.

    They live in some weird fantasy universe where prints, fiber
    evidence, receipts, shipping records, ballistic evidence, eyewitness accounts, etc. is all magically disallowed.

    And you live in a land where it's not possble to CITE this alleged
    evidence.

    You can't prove water wet with the evidence you're citing...

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to geowright1963@gmail.com on Mon Jul 24 14:36:57 2023
    On Mon, 24 Jul 2023 14:24:52 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett <geowright1963@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 3:31:23?PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 12:27:32?PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    How do you know a jury wouldn't have accepted the evidence developed by the DPD, FBI, etc.?
    Another stupid question from another one of our resident MENSA members.

    A jury could not have accepted evidence that would not be allowed at trial. >>
    For example, a jury would have NEVER heard any evidence from Marina Oswald. >> That includes anything she would have said about:

    The rifle
    The handgun
    The "grayish-tan" jacket
    The "backyard" photographs

    The whole Walker shooting would have been inadmissable. The Commission knew that.
    https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/mosk.jpg

    Oswald's Constitutional Rights under the 5th and 6th Amendments were violated by police.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwSDb1fB7ZI

    That alone would have resulted in anything Oswald said during his interrogation inadmissbile as evidence.
    Chief Curry admitted that Oswald had requested a lawyer.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCuz2vl0G2Y

    Gil continues ...

    To cite evidence, law, facts...

    You continue to spout speculation & logical fallacies.

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  • From Chuck Schuyler@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Mon Jul 24 16:08:02 2023
    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 4:47:16 PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Mon, 24 Jul 2023 14:39:21 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler <chucksch...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 4:24:54?PM UTC-5, John Corbett wrote:
    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 3:31:23?PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 12:27:32?PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    How do you know a jury wouldn't have accepted the evidence developed by the DPD, FBI, etc.?
    Another stupid question from another one of our resident MENSA members. >>>
    A jury could not have accepted evidence that would not be allowed at trial.

    For example, a jury would have NEVER heard any evidence from Marina Oswald.
    That includes anything she would have said about:

    The rifle
    The handgun
    The "grayish-tan" jacket
    The "backyard" photographs

    The whole Walker shooting would have been inadmissable. The Commission knew that.
    https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/mosk.jpg

    Oswald's Constitutional Rights under the 5th and 6th Amendments were violated by police.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwSDb1fB7ZI

    That alone would have resulted in anything Oswald said during his interrogation inadmissbile as evidence.
    Chief Curry admitted that Oswald had requested a lawyer.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCuz2vl0G2Y
    Gil continues to make excuses to dismiss all the evidence we have that Oswald killed JFK.
    What a jury would have heard is irrelevant since Oswald was never put on trial. Someone
    interested in knowing whether Oswald did the deed would consider all available information.
    History doesn't let people off on technicalities. Gil seems to have no interest in knowing
    whether Oswald actually pulled the trigger in the murders of two men. That is the only thing
    that matters now. It is impossible to construct a plausible scenario for Oswald's innocence
    that takes into account all known facts. That is why Gil has never attempted to do so.

    They live in some weird fantasy universe where prints, fiber
    evidence, receipts, shipping records, ballistic evidence, eyewitness accounts, etc. is all magically disallowed.

    And you live in a land where it's not possble to CITE this alleged
    evidence.

    Yawn. It's all been cite for, it's all been endlessly argued over, little fella.


    You can't prove water wet with the evidence you're citing...

    Tell us what happened that day, Ben. Be specific.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From John Corbett@21:1/5 to Bud on Mon Jul 24 15:51:25 2023
    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 5:46:05 PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 5:36:16 PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Mon, 24 Jul 2023 14:21:57 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler <chucksch...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 2:31:23?PM UTC-5, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 12:27:32?PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote: >>> How do you know a jury wouldn't have accepted the evidence developed by the DPD, FBI, etc.?
    Another stupid question from another one of our resident MENSA members. >>
    A jury could not have accepted evidence that would not be allowed at trial.

    For example, a jury would have NEVER heard any evidence from Marina Oswald.
    That includes anything she would have said about:

    The rifle
    The handgun
    The "grayish-tan" jacket
    The "backyard" photographs

    The whole Walker shooting would have been inadmissable. The Commission knew that.
    https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/mosk.jpg

    Oswald's Constitutional Rights under the 5th and 6th Amendments were violated by police.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwSDb1fB7ZI

    That alone would have resulted in anything Oswald said during his interrogation inadmissbile as evidence.
    Chief Curry admitted that Oswald had requested a lawyer.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCuz2vl0G2Y
    Logical fallacies deleted.

    If you're terrified of the points Gil raises, just say so.
    "The Dunning-Kruger effect is the phenomenon by which those least competent in a certain subject area overestimate their skills the most."

    Can anyone imagine Gil in a court of law against the accomplished, legally trained people who served on the Warren Commission? It would be like a infant versus a silverback gorilla.

    It would be rather amusing to see Gil acting as Oswald's defense attorney in a mock trial against a real prosecutor with a real judge. Gil would make one motion after another to dismiss evidence,
    and after the trial judge dismissed every one of his motions, Gil would suddenly find himself
    having to actually confront this evidence for which he has no answer. Oswald would be screwed.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to chuckschuyler123@gmail.com on Mon Jul 24 16:23:47 2023
    On Mon, 24 Jul 2023 16:08:02 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler <chuckschuyler123@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 4:47:16?PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Mon, 24 Jul 2023 14:39:21 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler
    <chucksch...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 4:24:54?PM UTC-5, John Corbett wrote:
    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 3:31:23?PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 12:27:32?PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote: >>>>>> How do you know a jury wouldn't have accepted the evidence developed by the DPD, FBI, etc.?
    Another stupid question from another one of our resident MENSA members. >>>>>
    A jury could not have accepted evidence that would not be allowed at trial.

    For example, a jury would have NEVER heard any evidence from Marina Oswald.
    That includes anything she would have said about:

    The rifle
    The handgun
    The "grayish-tan" jacket
    The "backyard" photographs

    The whole Walker shooting would have been inadmissable. The Commission knew that.
    https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/mosk.jpg

    Oswald's Constitutional Rights under the 5th and 6th Amendments were violated by police.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwSDb1fB7ZI

    That alone would have resulted in anything Oswald said during his interrogation inadmissbile as evidence.
    Chief Curry admitted that Oswald had requested a lawyer.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCuz2vl0G2Y
    Gil continues to make excuses to dismiss all the evidence we have that Oswald killed JFK.
    What a jury would have heard is irrelevant since Oswald was never put on trial. Someone
    interested in knowing whether Oswald did the deed would consider all available information.
    History doesn't let people off on technicalities. Gil seems to have no interest in knowing
    whether Oswald actually pulled the trigger in the murders of two men. That is the only thing
    that matters now. It is impossible to construct a plausible scenario for Oswald's innocence
    that takes into account all known facts. That is why Gil has never attempted to do so.

    They live in some weird fantasy universe where prints, fiber
    evidence, receipts, shipping records, ballistic evidence, eyewitness
    accounts, etc. is all magically disallowed.

    And you live in a land where it's not possble to CITE this alleged
    evidence.

    Yawn. It's all been cite for, it's all been endlessly argued over, little fella.


    An unciited empty claim is a lie, according to Chickenshit.


    You can't prove water wet with the evidence you're citing...

    Tell us what happened that day, Ben. Be specific.


    Why should I answer your questions when you ABJECTLY REFUSE to answer
    mine?

    Watch folks, as Chuckles refuses to answer...

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to geowright1963@gmail.com on Mon Jul 24 16:21:52 2023
    On Mon, 24 Jul 2023 15:51:25 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett <geowright1963@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 5:36:16?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Mon, 24 Jul 2023 14:21:57 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler
    <chucksch...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 2:31:23?PM UTC-5, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 12:27:32?PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote: >>>>>> How do you know a jury wouldn't have accepted the evidence developed by the DPD, FBI, etc.?
    Another stupid question from another one of our resident MENSA members. >>>>>
    A jury could not have accepted evidence that would not be allowed at trial.

    For example, a jury would have NEVER heard any evidence from Marina Oswald.
    That includes anything she would have said about:

    The rifle
    The handgun
    The "grayish-tan" jacket
    The "backyard" photographs

    The whole Walker shooting would have been inadmissable. The Commission knew that.
    https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/mosk.jpg

    Oswald's Constitutional Rights under the 5th and 6th Amendments were violated by police.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwSDb1fB7ZI

    That alone would have resulted in anything Oswald said during his interrogation inadmissbile as evidence.
    Chief Curry admitted that Oswald had requested a lawyer.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCuz2vl0G2Y
    Logical fallacies deleted.

    If you're terrified of the points Gil raises, just say so.
    ...
    It would be rather amusing to see Gil ...

    Gil talks about the evidence... you talk about Gil.

    Who's convincing the lurkers?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Bud@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Mon Jul 24 16:30:10 2023
    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 7:23:51 PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Mon, 24 Jul 2023 16:08:02 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler <chucksch...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 4:47:16?PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Mon, 24 Jul 2023 14:39:21 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler
    <chucksch...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 4:24:54?PM UTC-5, John Corbett wrote:
    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 3:31:23?PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 12:27:32?PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote: >>>>>> How do you know a jury wouldn't have accepted the evidence developed by the DPD, FBI, etc.?
    Another stupid question from another one of our resident MENSA members.

    A jury could not have accepted evidence that would not be allowed at trial.

    For example, a jury would have NEVER heard any evidence from Marina Oswald.
    That includes anything she would have said about:

    The rifle
    The handgun
    The "grayish-tan" jacket
    The "backyard" photographs

    The whole Walker shooting would have been inadmissable. The Commission knew that.
    https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/mosk.jpg

    Oswald's Constitutional Rights under the 5th and 6th Amendments were violated by police.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwSDb1fB7ZI

    That alone would have resulted in anything Oswald said during his interrogation inadmissbile as evidence.
    Chief Curry admitted that Oswald had requested a lawyer.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCuz2vl0G2Y
    Gil continues to make excuses to dismiss all the evidence we have that Oswald killed JFK.
    What a jury would have heard is irrelevant since Oswald was never put on trial. Someone
    interested in knowing whether Oswald did the deed would consider all available information.
    History doesn't let people off on technicalities. Gil seems to have no interest in knowing
    whether Oswald actually pulled the trigger in the murders of two men. That is the only thing
    that matters now. It is impossible to construct a plausible scenario for Oswald's innocence
    that takes into account all known facts. That is why Gil has never attempted to do so.

    They live in some weird fantasy universe where prints, fiber
    evidence, receipts, shipping records, ballistic evidence, eyewitness
    accounts, etc. is all magically disallowed.

    And you live in a land where it's not possble to CITE this alleged
    evidence.

    Yawn. It's all been cite for, it's all been endlessly argued over, little fella.
    An unciited empty claim is a lie, according to Chickenshit.

    That must have been the voices in your head.

    You can't prove water wet with the evidence you're citing...

    Tell us what happened that day, Ben. Be specific.
    Why should I answer your questions when you ABJECTLY REFUSE to answer
    mine?

    Ah, because it is a conspiracy forum?

    Watch folks, as Chuckles refuses to answer...

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Chuck Schuyler@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Mon Jul 24 17:45:41 2023
    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 6:23:51 PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Mon, 24 Jul 2023 16:08:02 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler <chucksch...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 4:47:16?PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Mon, 24 Jul 2023 14:39:21 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler
    <chucksch...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 4:24:54?PM UTC-5, John Corbett wrote:
    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 3:31:23?PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 12:27:32?PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote: >>>>>> How do you know a jury wouldn't have accepted the evidence developed by the DPD, FBI, etc.?
    Another stupid question from another one of our resident MENSA members.

    A jury could not have accepted evidence that would not be allowed at trial.

    For example, a jury would have NEVER heard any evidence from Marina Oswald.
    That includes anything she would have said about:

    The rifle
    The handgun
    The "grayish-tan" jacket
    The "backyard" photographs

    The whole Walker shooting would have been inadmissable. The Commission knew that.
    https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/mosk.jpg

    Oswald's Constitutional Rights under the 5th and 6th Amendments were violated by police.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwSDb1fB7ZI

    That alone would have resulted in anything Oswald said during his interrogation inadmissbile as evidence.
    Chief Curry admitted that Oswald had requested a lawyer.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCuz2vl0G2Y
    Gil continues to make excuses to dismiss all the evidence we have that Oswald killed JFK.
    What a jury would have heard is irrelevant since Oswald was never put on trial. Someone
    interested in knowing whether Oswald did the deed would consider all available information.
    History doesn't let people off on technicalities. Gil seems to have no interest in knowing
    whether Oswald actually pulled the trigger in the murders of two men. That is the only thing
    that matters now. It is impossible to construct a plausible scenario for Oswald's innocence
    that takes into account all known facts. That is why Gil has never attempted to do so.

    They live in some weird fantasy universe where prints, fiber
    evidence, receipts, shipping records, ballistic evidence, eyewitness
    accounts, etc. is all magically disallowed.

    And you live in a land where it's not possble to CITE this alleged
    evidence.

    Yawn. It's all been cite for, it's all been endlessly argued over, little fella.

    An unciited empty claim is a lie,

    Then stop.

    according to Chickenshit.
    You can't prove water wet with the evidence you're citing...

    Tell us what happened that day, Ben. Be specific.

    Why should I answer your questions

    Because you're claiming a conspiracy killed JFK and that sixty years later, the killers are still at large. Your claim, your burden to carry. Carry it.


    when you ABJECTLY REFUSE to answer
    mine?

    All of your questions have been answered, but never to your satisfaction.

    Watch folks, as Chuckles refuses to answer...


    ...to your satisfaction.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to chuckschuyler123@gmail.com on Tue Jul 25 06:46:50 2023
    On Mon, 24 Jul 2023 17:45:41 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler <chuckschuyler123@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 6:23:51?PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Mon, 24 Jul 2023 16:08:02 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler
    <chucksch...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 4:47:16?PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Mon, 24 Jul 2023 14:39:21 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler
    <chucksch...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 4:24:54?PM UTC-5, John Corbett wrote:
    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 3:31:23?PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 12:27:32?PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote: >>>>>>>> How do you know a jury wouldn't have accepted the evidence developed by the DPD, FBI, etc.?
    Another stupid question from another one of our resident MENSA members. >>>>>>>
    A jury could not have accepted evidence that would not be allowed at trial.

    For example, a jury would have NEVER heard any evidence from Marina Oswald.
    That includes anything she would have said about:

    The rifle
    The handgun
    The "grayish-tan" jacket
    The "backyard" photographs

    The whole Walker shooting would have been inadmissable. The Commission knew that.
    https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/mosk.jpg

    Oswald's Constitutional Rights under the 5th and 6th Amendments were violated by police.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwSDb1fB7ZI

    That alone would have resulted in anything Oswald said during his interrogation inadmissbile as evidence.
    Chief Curry admitted that Oswald had requested a lawyer.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCuz2vl0G2Y
    Gil continues to make excuses to dismiss all the evidence we have that Oswald killed JFK.
    What a jury would have heard is irrelevant since Oswald was never put on trial. Someone
    interested in knowing whether Oswald did the deed would consider all available information.
    History doesn't let people off on technicalities. Gil seems to have no interest in knowing
    whether Oswald actually pulled the trigger in the murders of two men. That is the only thing
    that matters now. It is impossible to construct a plausible scenario for Oswald's innocence
    that takes into account all known facts. That is why Gil has never attempted to do so.

    They live in some weird fantasy universe where prints, fiber
    evidence, receipts, shipping records, ballistic evidence, eyewitness >>>>> accounts, etc. is all magically disallowed.

    And you live in a land where it's not possble to CITE this alleged
    evidence.

    Yawn. It's all been cite for, it's all been endlessly argued over, little fella.

    An unciited empty claim is a lie, according to Chickenshit.

    You can't prove water wet with the evidence you're citing...

    Tell us what happened that day, Ben. Be specific.

    Why should I answer your questions

    Because you're claiming a conspiracy killed JFK...


    And you're claiming that there was only a sole shooter, and his name
    was Oswald.

    Why does one claim get to refuse answering any questions about what
    happened, and the other must answer???

    You have the SAME burden I have, Chuckles... your cowardice
    nonwithstanding.


    when you ABJECTLY REFUSE to answer mine?

    All of your questions have been answered,


    You're lying again, Chuckles.

    **CITE** the answer to my question of the WCR lying about Mrs. Tice's testimony.

    But you won't... you can't. You're simply lying again. And **YOU**
    will be the one who proves it when you refuse to cite.


    Watch folks, as Chuckles refuses to answer...

    ...to your satisfaction.


    To ***ANY*** honest person's satisfaction. Always remember to add
    that.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Chuck Schuyler@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Tue Jul 25 18:11:55 2023
    On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 8:46:54 AM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Mon, 24 Jul 2023 17:45:41 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler <chucksch...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 6:23:51?PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Mon, 24 Jul 2023 16:08:02 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler
    <chucksch...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 4:47:16?PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Mon, 24 Jul 2023 14:39:21 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler
    <chucksch...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 4:24:54?PM UTC-5, John Corbett wrote: >>>>>> On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 3:31:23?PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote: >>>>>>> On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 12:27:32?PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote: >>>>>>>> How do you know a jury wouldn't have accepted the evidence developed by the DPD, FBI, etc.?
    Another stupid question from another one of our resident MENSA members.

    A jury could not have accepted evidence that would not be allowed at trial.

    For example, a jury would have NEVER heard any evidence from Marina Oswald.
    That includes anything she would have said about:

    The rifle
    The handgun
    The "grayish-tan" jacket
    The "backyard" photographs

    The whole Walker shooting would have been inadmissable. The Commission knew that.
    https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/mosk.jpg

    Oswald's Constitutional Rights under the 5th and 6th Amendments were violated by police.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwSDb1fB7ZI

    That alone would have resulted in anything Oswald said during his interrogation inadmissbile as evidence.
    Chief Curry admitted that Oswald had requested a lawyer.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCuz2vl0G2Y
    Gil continues to make excuses to dismiss all the evidence we have that Oswald killed JFK.
    What a jury would have heard is irrelevant since Oswald was never put on trial. Someone
    interested in knowing whether Oswald did the deed would consider all available information.
    History doesn't let people off on technicalities. Gil seems to have no interest in knowing
    whether Oswald actually pulled the trigger in the murders of two men. That is the only thing
    that matters now. It is impossible to construct a plausible scenario for Oswald's innocence
    that takes into account all known facts. That is why Gil has never attempted to do so.

    They live in some weird fantasy universe where prints, fiber
    evidence, receipts, shipping records, ballistic evidence, eyewitness >>>>> accounts, etc. is all magically disallowed.

    And you live in a land where it's not possble to CITE this alleged
    evidence.

    Yawn. It's all been cite for, it's all been endlessly argued over, little fella.

    An unciited empty claim is a lie, according to Chickenshit.

    You can't prove water wet with the evidence you're citing...

    Tell us what happened that day, Ben. Be specific.

    Why should I answer your questions

    Because you're claiming a conspiracy killed JFK...


    And you're claiming that there was only a sole shooter, and his name
    was Oswald.

    Not my claim, Ben. It was in all the papers and on television. Did you miss it?

    Why does one claim get to refuse answering any questions about what happened, and the other must answer???

    Your questions have been answered, but never to your satisfaction.

    You have the SAME burden I have, Chuckles... your cowardice
    nonwithstanding.

    We do not share a burden. I make no new claims. The "burden" was carried long, long ago by the DPD, FBI, WC, etc.

    when you ABJECTLY REFUSE to answer mine?

    All of your questions have been answered,
    You're lying again, Chuckles.

    **CITE** the answer to my question of the WCR lying about Mrs. Tice's testimony.

    My answer is that your hobby point questions are a series of begged questions and other assorted logical fallacies based on subjective inferences.

    But you won't... you can't. You're simply lying again. And **YOU**
    will be the one who proves it when you refuse to cite.
    Watch folks, as Chuckles refuses to answer...

    ...to your satisfaction.
    To ***ANY*** honest person's satisfaction.

    No True Scotsman fallacy. You can't help yourself. You're a walking, breathing, collection of logical fallacies packaged in a swarthy, overweight 4'11" frame, stomping your tiny feet and waving your tiny fists angrily at the heavens, frustrated by the
    unfairness of it all.

    What a kook!

    Thanks for the laughs, little fella. You're not always as amusing as you've been the past few days, but keep it up.

    Always remember to add
    that.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to chuckschuyler123@gmail.com on Wed Jul 26 07:02:43 2023
    On Tue, 25 Jul 2023 18:11:55 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler <chuckschuyler123@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 8:46:54?AM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Mon, 24 Jul 2023 17:45:41 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler
    <chucksch...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 6:23:51?PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Mon, 24 Jul 2023 16:08:02 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler
    <chucksch...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 4:47:16?PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Mon, 24 Jul 2023 14:39:21 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler
    <chucksch...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 4:24:54?PM UTC-5, John Corbett wrote: >>>>>>>> On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 3:31:23?PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 12:27:32?PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote: >>>>>>>>>> How do you know a jury wouldn't have accepted the evidence developed by the DPD, FBI, etc.?
    Another stupid question from another one of our resident MENSA members.

    A jury could not have accepted evidence that would not be allowed at trial.

    For example, a jury would have NEVER heard any evidence from Marina Oswald.
    That includes anything she would have said about:

    The rifle
    The handgun
    The "grayish-tan" jacket
    The "backyard" photographs

    The whole Walker shooting would have been inadmissable. The Commission knew that.
    https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/mosk.jpg

    Oswald's Constitutional Rights under the 5th and 6th Amendments were violated by police.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwSDb1fB7ZI

    That alone would have resulted in anything Oswald said during his interrogation inadmissbile as evidence.
    Chief Curry admitted that Oswald had requested a lawyer.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCuz2vl0G2Y
    Gil continues to make excuses to dismiss all the evidence we have that Oswald killed JFK.
    What a jury would have heard is irrelevant since Oswald was never put on trial. Someone
    interested in knowing whether Oswald did the deed would consider all available information.
    History doesn't let people off on technicalities. Gil seems to have no interest in knowing
    whether Oswald actually pulled the trigger in the murders of two men. That is the only thing
    that matters now. It is impossible to construct a plausible scenario for Oswald's innocence
    that takes into account all known facts. That is why Gil has never attempted to do so.

    They live in some weird fantasy universe where prints, fiber
    evidence, receipts, shipping records, ballistic evidence, eyewitness >>>>>>> accounts, etc. is all magically disallowed.

    And you live in a land where it's not possble to CITE this alleged >>>>>> evidence.

    Yawn. It's all been cite for, it's all been endlessly argued over, little fella.

    An unciited empty claim is a lie, according to Chickenshit.

    You can't prove water wet with the evidence you're citing...

    Tell us what happened that day, Ben. Be specific.

    Why should I answer your questions

    Because you're claiming a conspiracy killed JFK...

    And you're claiming that there was only a sole shooter, and his name
    was Oswald.

    Not my claim, Ben. It was in all the papers and on television. Did you miss it?


    You're lying again, Chuckles.

    Like all cowards, you ABSOLUTELY REFUSE to tell us what happened on
    11/22/63.


    Why does one claim get to refuse answering any questions about what
    happened, and the other must answer???

    Your questions have been answered, but never to your satisfaction.


    And this is a provable lie. Stop lying Chuckles, it gains you
    nothing.


    You have the SAME burden I have, Chuckles... your cowardice
    nonwithstanding.

    We do not share a burden. I make no new claims.


    Indeed, you just made it clear that you make no "old" claims either.

    Such cowardice!!!

    You keep asking questions that *YOU* can't answer...

    But you're lying... you have the SAME burden I do... to support what
    you claim.


    The "burden" was carried long, long ago by the DPD, FBI, WC, etc.


    And they failed.

    Just as you're failing right now.


    when you ABJECTLY REFUSE to answer mine?

    All of your questions have been answered,
    You're lying again, Chuckles.

    **CITE** the answer to my question of the WCR lying about Mrs. Tice's
    testimony.

    My answer is that your hobby point questions are a series of begged questions and other assorted logical fallacies based on subjective inferences.


    This is not a relevant answer to the question. It's simply a lie.


    But you won't... you can't. You're simply lying again. And **YOU**
    will be the one who proves it when you refuse to cite.


    And Chuckles proved himself a liar.


    Watch folks, as Chuckles refuses to answer...

    ...to your satisfaction.
    To ***ANY*** honest person's satisfaction.


    Logical fallacy deleted.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 3 07:00:28 2023
    On Mon, 24 Jul 2023 11:08:50 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirslick@fast.net>
    wrote:

    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 12:15:26?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Mon, 24 Jul 2023 08:21:38 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler
    <chucksch...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 9:38:36?AM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    (45) Oswald lied about owning a rifle, and about owning the
    Mannlicher-Carcano specifically.

    You *first* must show that he actually owned a rifle before claiming
    that he lied about owning one. The evidence for his ownership has been >>>> shown by researchers to be far less impressive than the Warren
    Commission made it out to be.

    What evidence would you accept that he owned the rifle?
    The same thing a jury would.

    That is what there is.


    Then cite it. But you won't... thus proving that you're a liar.


    But not your speculation. CITE the
    evidence, let's look at it.

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