• A case for Gil

    From Bud@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jul 23 07:41:16 2023
    Gil, could you apply your keen analytical mind to this case and determine who killed these children?

    https://www.aol.com/news/oklahoma-mother-her-3-children-153805970.html

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  • From Chuck Schuyler@21:1/5 to Bud on Sun Jul 23 16:45:03 2023
    On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 9:41:18 AM UTC-5, Bud wrote:
    Gil, could you apply your keen analytical mind to this case and determine who killed these children?

    https://www.aol.com/news/oklahoma-mother-her-3-children-153805970.html

    Wow. What a terrible story. We live in a broken world.

    Chief of Police Gil Jesus in little Verdigris Oklahoma would be absolutely perplexed right now, scratching his head and shrugging his shoulders.

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  • From Bud@21:1/5 to Chuck Schuyler on Sun Jul 23 17:40:49 2023
    On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 7:45:05 PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 9:41:18 AM UTC-5, Bud wrote:
    Gil, could you apply your keen analytical mind to this case and determine who killed these children?

    https://www.aol.com/news/oklahoma-mother-her-3-children-153805970.html
    Wow. What a terrible story. We live in a broken world.

    Chief of Police Gil Jesus in little Verdigris Oklahoma would be absolutely perplexed right now, scratching his head and shrugging his shoulders.

    I`m thinking the police handling the case were able to close the case on the three murders without convicting anyone in a court of law (or even bringing criminal charges against anyone).

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  • From recipient.x@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Chuck Schuyler on Sun Jul 23 18:47:22 2023
    On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 6:45:05 PM UTC-5, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 9:41:18 AM UTC-5, Bud wrote:
    Gil, could you apply your keen analytical mind to this case and determine who killed these children?

    https://www.aol.com/news/oklahoma-mother-her-3-children-153805970.html
    Wow. What a terrible story. We live in a broken world.

    Chief of Police Gil Jesus in little Verdigris Oklahoma would be absolutely perplexed right now, scratching his head and shrugging his shoulders.

    Well, he'd be waiting to for the Soviet Union to finish it's
    investigation on the matter, then go with what they said.

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  • From Chuck Schuyler@21:1/5 to recip...@gmail.com on Sun Jul 23 20:42:48 2023
    On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 8:47:24 PM UTC-5, recip...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 6:45:05 PM UTC-5, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 9:41:18 AM UTC-5, Bud wrote:
    Gil, could you apply your keen analytical mind to this case and determine who killed these children?

    https://www.aol.com/news/oklahoma-mother-her-3-children-153805970.html
    Wow. What a terrible story. We live in a broken world.

    Chief of Police Gil Jesus in little Verdigris Oklahoma would be absolutely perplexed right now, scratching his head and shrugging his shoulders.

    Well, he'd be waiting to for the Soviet Union to finish it's
    investigation on the matter, then go with what they said.

    He'd also start a website. And a YouTube channel.

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  • From Bud@21:1/5 to Gil Jesus on Mon Jul 24 02:58:35 2023
    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 5:23:18 AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 11:42:49 PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    He'd also start a website. And a YouTube channel.
    You know you're getting under the trolls' skin when they post stupid shit about you.

    You have taken the position that the lack of a trial makes it impossible to ascertain guilt, have you not?

    https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/f7509c1cdc169d03.jpg

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  • From Gil Jesus@21:1/5 to Chuck Schuyler on Mon Jul 24 02:23:16 2023
    On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 11:42:49 PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    He'd also start a website. And a YouTube channel.

    You know you're getting under the trolls' skin when they post stupid shit about you.

    https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/f7509c1cdc169d03.jpg

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  • From Gil Jesus@21:1/5 to Bud on Mon Jul 24 06:21:33 2023
    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 5:58:37 AM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
    You have taken the position that the lack of a trial makes it impossible to ascertain guilt, have you not?

    https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/f7509c1cdc169d03.jpg

    No I've taken the position that a defendant is innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.
    The validity of this case has plenty of doubt, whether you like it or not.

    Evidence with no chain of custody.
    Evidence that hasn't been identified.
    Evidence that wasn't secured.
    Crime scenes that weren't secured.
    Unfair police lineups.
    Witnesses ignored.
    Witnesses threatened and harrassed.
    Judicial procedure abandonned.
    Constitutional rights violated.

    The case is rife with police corruption and mishandling of evidence.
    There is much more than a reasonble doubt of Oswald's guilt in this case.

    Now go sit in the corner and STFU.
    If I want any shit out of you, I'll squeeze your head.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to gjjmail1202@gmail.com on Mon Jul 24 07:34:18 2023
    On Mon, 24 Jul 2023 06:21:33 -0700 (PDT), Gil Jesus
    <gjjmail1202@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 5:58:37?AM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
    You have taken the position that the lack of a trial makes it impossible to ascertain guilt, have you not?

    https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/f7509c1cdc169d03.jpg

    No I've taken the position that a defendant is innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.
    The validity of this case has plenty of doubt, whether you like it or not.


    Don't you just love it when believers prove that they aren't
    interested in the truth?

    They make **NO** effort to understand what you're posting...


    Evidence with no chain of custody.
    Evidence that hasn't been identified.
    Evidence that wasn't secured.
    Crime scenes that weren't secured.
    Unfair police lineups.
    Witnesses ignored.
    Witnesses threatened and harrassed.
    Judicial procedure abandonned.
    Constitutional rights violated.

    The case is rife with police corruption and mishandling of evidence.
    There is much more than a reasonble doubt of Oswald's guilt in this case.

    Now go sit in the corner and STFU.
    If I want any shit out of you, I'll squeeze your head.



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  • From John Corbett@21:1/5 to Gil Jesus on Mon Jul 24 08:28:29 2023
    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 9:21:35 AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 5:58:37 AM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
    You have taken the position that the lack of a trial makes it impossible to ascertain guilt, have you not?

    https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/f7509c1cdc169d03.jpg
    No I've taken the position that a defendant is innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

    Gil has just exonerated:

    John Wilkes Booth
    Adolf Hitler
    Joseph Stalin
    O.J. Simpson
    Mohammed Atta
    Dylan Klebold
    Eric Harris
    Seung-Hui Cho
    Adam Lanza
    Salvador Ramos

    Among others. Gil insists anybody who hasn't been convicted of crimes in court mush be
    considered innocent. O.J. was convicted of armed robbery but beat a murder rap. Most
    intelligent people know he got away with murder.

    The presumption of innocence only applies to juries in a criminal trial. If I witness somebody
    I know commit a murder before my eyes, am I supposed to presume that person is innocent
    until he gets convicted of murder. I know from the evidence that O.J. killed two people. He got
    away with it because he could afford the best legal team money could buy, the prosecutors were
    incompetent, and the jury was biased in his favor. I have no obligation to accept their verdict as the
    correct one. I don't have to pretend O.J. was innocent. The American people know what
    happened which is why O.J. no longer runs through airports in Hertz commercials and is not
    working either as an actor or football commentator. He is a pariah and rightfully so.

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  • From Chuck Schuyler@21:1/5 to Gil Jesus on Mon Jul 24 08:49:36 2023
    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 8:21:35 AM UTC-5, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 5:58:37 AM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
    You have taken the position that the lack of a trial makes it impossible to ascertain guilt, have you not?

    https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/f7509c1cdc169d03.jpg

    No I've taken the position that a defendant is innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

    He was never a criminal defendant, stupid. Ruby ended the chance of an Oswald trial. You know this.

    The validity of this case has plenty of doubt, whether you like it or not.

    There is no criminal case, stupid. Stop living in the past. Oswald is historically guilty. You agree. It's why you post here. It's why you post your YouTube videos. It's why you have a website.

    Evidence with no chain of custody.
    Evidence that hasn't been identified.
    Evidence that wasn't secured.
    Crime scenes that weren't secured.
    Unfair police lineups.
    Witnesses ignored.
    Witnesses threatened and harrassed.
    Judicial procedure abandonned.
    Constitutional rights violated.

    ...in your opinion, a lonely senior citizen with an internet connection.

    The case is rife with police corruption and mishandling of evidence.
    There is much more than a reasonble doubt of Oswald's guilt in this case.

    He's not on trial, stupid. We don't try dead people accused of murder.

    Now go sit in the corner and STFU.
    If I want any shit out of you, I'll squeeze your head.

    You are lost. We know he wasn't found guilty of murder by a jury. We get it, so stop talking about some mythical trial that didn't occur. TELL US WHAT YOU THINK HAPPENED THAT DAY...HISTORICALLY.

    How many shots? From what locations? Which conspiracy theories about the assassination get it wrong?

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  • From John Corbett@21:1/5 to Chuck Schuyler on Mon Jul 24 09:15:50 2023
    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 11:49:38 AM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 8:21:35 AM UTC-5, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 5:58:37 AM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
    You have taken the position that the lack of a trial makes it impossible to ascertain guilt, have you not?

    https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/f7509c1cdc169d03.jpg

    No I've taken the position that a defendant is innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.
    He was never a criminal defendant, stupid. Ruby ended the chance of an Oswald trial. You know this.
    The validity of this case has plenty of doubt, whether you like it or not.
    There is no criminal case, stupid. Stop living in the past. Oswald is historically guilty. You agree. It's why you post here. It's why you post your YouTube videos. It's why you have a website.

    Evidence with no chain of custody.
    Evidence that hasn't been identified.
    Evidence that wasn't secured.
    Crime scenes that weren't secured.
    Unfair police lineups.
    Witnesses ignored.
    Witnesses threatened and harrassed.
    Judicial procedure abandonned.
    Constitutional rights violated.
    ...in your opinion, a lonely senior citizen with an internet connection.

    The case is rife with police corruption and mishandling of evidence.
    There is much more than a reasonble doubt of Oswald's guilt in this case.
    He's not on trial, stupid. We don't try dead people accused of murder.

    Now go sit in the corner and STFU.
    If I want any shit out of you, I'll squeeze your head.
    You are lost. We know he wasn't found guilty of murder by a jury. We get it, so stop talking about some mythical trial that didn't occur. TELL US WHAT YOU THINK HAPPENED THAT DAY...HISTORICALLY.

    How many shots? From what locations? Which conspiracy theories about the assassination get it wrong?

    The following seems to sum up Gil's beliefs:

    Oswald did not kill JFK
    Oswald is identified as the assassin by historical references.
    A person should not be identified as a murderer unless they have been convicted.
    Historical references should be changed so that Oswald is not named as the assassin.
    Historical references should state no one killed JFK because no one has been convicted...and
    never will be.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to geowright1963@gmail.com on Mon Jul 24 09:20:44 2023
    On Mon, 24 Jul 2023 08:28:29 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett <geowright1963@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 9:21:35?AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 5:58:37?AM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
    You have taken the position that the lack of a trial makes it impossible to ascertain guilt, have you not?

    https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/f7509c1cdc169d03.jpg
    No I've taken the position that a defendant is innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

    Gil has just exonerated:

    Corbutt has just molested:

    The next-door-neighbor's 8 year old boy
    His own mother.
    Chickenshit's mother.
    etc...

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to chuckschuyler123@gmail.com on Mon Jul 24 09:21:27 2023
    On Mon, 24 Jul 2023 08:49:36 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler <chuckschuyler123@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 8:21:35?AM UTC-5, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 5:58:37?AM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
    You have taken the position that the lack of a trial makes it impossible to ascertain guilt, have you not?

    https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/f7509c1cdc169d03.jpg

    No I've taken the position that a defendant is innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.


    Logical fallacy deleted.


    The validity of this case has plenty of doubt, whether you like it or not.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to geowright1963@gmail.com on Mon Jul 24 09:30:18 2023
    On Mon, 24 Jul 2023 09:15:50 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett <geowright1963@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 11:49:38?AM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 8:21:35?AM UTC-5, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 5:58:37?AM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
    You have taken the position that the lack of a trial makes it impossible to ascertain guilt, have you not?

    https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/f7509c1cdc169d03.jpg

    No I've taken the position that a defendant is innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.
    He was never a criminal defendant, stupid. Ruby ended the chance of an Oswald trial. You know this.
    The validity of this case has plenty of doubt, whether you like it or not. >> There is no criminal case, stupid. Stop living in the past. Oswald is historically guilty. You agree. It's why you post here. It's why you post your YouTube videos. It's why you have a website.

    Evidence with no chain of custody.
    Evidence that hasn't been identified.
    Evidence that wasn't secured.
    Crime scenes that weren't secured.
    Unfair police lineups.
    Witnesses ignored.
    Witnesses threatened and harrassed.
    Judicial procedure abandonned.
    Constitutional rights violated.
    ...in your opinion, a lonely senior citizen with an internet connection.

    The case is rife with police corruption and mishandling of evidence.
    There is much more than a reasonble doubt of Oswald's guilt in this case. >> He's not on trial, stupid. We don't try dead people accused of murder.

    Now go sit in the corner and STFU.
    If I want any shit out of you, I'll squeeze your head.
    You are lost. We know he wasn't found guilty of murder by a jury. We get it, so stop talking about some mythical trial that didn't occur. TELL US WHAT YOU THINK HAPPENED THAT DAY...HISTORICALLY.

    How many shots? From what locations? Which conspiracy theories about the assassination get it wrong?

    The following seems to sum up Gil's beliefs:

    You apparently think Gill is so stupid that he cannot post what he
    believes...

    Trust me, you're lying.

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  • From BT George@21:1/5 to Chuck Schuyler on Mon Jul 24 10:06:07 2023
    On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 6:45:05 PM UTC-5, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 9:41:18 AM UTC-5, Bud wrote:
    Gil, could you apply your keen analytical mind to this case and determine who killed these children?

    https://www.aol.com/news/oklahoma-mother-her-3-children-153805970.html
    Wow. What a terrible story. We live in a broken world.

    Indeed.

    Chief of Police Gil Jesus in little Verdigris Oklahoma would be absolutely perplexed right now, scratching his head and shrugging his shoulders.

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  • From BT George@21:1/5 to John Corbett on Mon Jul 24 10:09:22 2023
    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 11:15:52 AM UTC-5, John Corbett wrote:
    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 11:49:38 AM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 8:21:35 AM UTC-5, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 5:58:37 AM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
    You have taken the position that the lack of a trial makes it impossible to ascertain guilt, have you not?

    https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/f7509c1cdc169d03.jpg

    No I've taken the position that a defendant is innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.
    He was never a criminal defendant, stupid. Ruby ended the chance of an Oswald trial. You know this.
    The validity of this case has plenty of doubt, whether you like it or not.
    There is no criminal case, stupid. Stop living in the past. Oswald is historically guilty. You agree. It's why you post here. It's why you post your YouTube videos. It's why you have a website.

    Evidence with no chain of custody.
    Evidence that hasn't been identified.
    Evidence that wasn't secured.
    Crime scenes that weren't secured.
    Unfair police lineups.
    Witnesses ignored.
    Witnesses threatened and harrassed.
    Judicial procedure abandonned.
    Constitutional rights violated.
    ...in your opinion, a lonely senior citizen with an internet connection.

    The case is rife with police corruption and mishandling of evidence. There is much more than a reasonble doubt of Oswald's guilt in this case.
    He's not on trial, stupid. We don't try dead people accused of murder.

    Now go sit in the corner and STFU.
    If I want any shit out of you, I'll squeeze your head.
    You are lost. We know he wasn't found guilty of murder by a jury. We get it, so stop talking about some mythical trial that didn't occur. TELL US WHAT YOU THINK HAPPENED THAT DAY...HISTORICALLY.

    How many shots? From what locations? Which conspiracy theories about the assassination get it wrong?
    The following seems to sum up Gil's beliefs:

    Oswald did not kill JFK
    Oswald is identified as the assassin by historical references.
    A person should not be identified as a murderer unless they have been convicted.
    Historical references should be changed so that Oswald is not named as the assassin.
    Historical references should state no one killed JFK because no one has been convicted...and
    never will be.

    But it ends there. ...Unless he really does want us start speaking more kindly of Adolph Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Pol Pot, and Mao Zedong!

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  • From Bud@21:1/5 to Gil Jesus on Mon Jul 24 11:14:23 2023
    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 9:21:35 AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 5:58:37 AM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
    You have taken the position that the lack of a trial makes it impossible to ascertain guilt, have you not?

    https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/f7509c1cdc169d03.jpg
    No I've taken the position that a defendant is innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

    Which is a trial standard that can`t be achieved without a trial.

    The validity of this case has plenty of doubt, whether you like it or not.

    Evidence with no chain of custody.
    Evidence that hasn't been identified.
    Evidence that wasn't secured.
    Crime scenes that weren't secured.
    Unfair police lineups.
    Witnesses ignored.
    Witnesses threatened and harrassed.
    Judicial procedure abandonned.
    Constitutional rights violated.

    The case is rife with police corruption and mishandling of evidence.
    There is much more than a reasonble doubt of Oswald's guilt in this case.

    These things are merely your worthless opinion.

    Now go sit in the corner and STFU.
    If I want any shit out of you, I'll squeeze your head.

    If you stop saying stupid things and taking stupid positions I will stop pointing it out. Deal?

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  • From Bud@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Mon Jul 24 11:16:31 2023
    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 10:34:22 AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Mon, 24 Jul 2023 06:21:33 -0700 (PDT), Gil Jesus
    <gjjma...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 5:58:37?AM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
    You have taken the position that the lack of a trial makes it impossible to ascertain guilt, have you not?

    https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/f7509c1cdc169d03.jpg

    No I've taken the position that a defendant is innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.
    The validity of this case has plenty of doubt, whether you like it or not. Don't you just love it when believers prove that they aren't
    interested in the truth?

    You empty declarations about what is true are meaningless.

    They make **NO** effort to understand what you're posting...

    Gil is often challenged to make sense of the ideas he posts. He usually disappears without doing so.

    Evidence with no chain of custody.
    Evidence that hasn't been identified.
    Evidence that wasn't secured.
    Crime scenes that weren't secured.
    Unfair police lineups.
    Witnesses ignored.
    Witnesses threatened and harrassed.
    Judicial procedure abandonned.
    Constitutional rights violated.

    The case is rife with police corruption and mishandling of evidence.
    There is much more than a reasonble doubt of Oswald's guilt in this case.

    Now go sit in the corner and STFU.
    If I want any shit out of you, I'll squeeze your head.



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  • From recipient.x@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Gil Jesus on Mon Jul 24 21:21:37 2023
    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 4:23:18 AM UTC-5, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 11:42:49 PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    He'd also start a website. And a YouTube channel.
    You know you're getting under the trolls' skin when they post stupid shit about you.

    https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/f7509c1cdc169d03.jpg

    You have it backwards. We make fun of you because you keep posting stupid shit

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  • From Gil Jesus@21:1/5 to recip...@gmail.com on Tue Jul 25 02:12:17 2023
    On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 12:21:39 AM UTC-4, recip...@gmail.com wrote:
    You have it backwards. We make fun of you because you keep posting stupid shit

    No Jerry, you make fun of people because you're an asshole.
    An asshole is a person whose only purpose in life is to give the world a lot of shit. Because that's what assholes do.
    And that's what you people do. Therefore, by definition, you're all a bunch of assholes.

    The only stupid postings are your comments and I'll put my evidence up against your stupid comments any day of the week.

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  • From John Corbett@21:1/5 to Gil Jesus on Tue Jul 25 02:41:05 2023
    On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 5:12:19 AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 12:21:39 AM UTC-4, recip...@gmail.com wrote:
    You have it backwards. We make fun of you because you keep posting stupid shit
    No Jerry, you make fun of people because you're an asshole.
    An asshole is a person whose only purpose in life is to give the world a lot of shit. Because that's what assholes do.
    And that's what you people do. Therefore, by definition, you're all a bunch of assholes.

    The only stupid postings are your comments and I'll put my evidence up against your stupid comments any day of the week.

    You don't post evidence, Gil. You dismiss the evidence because it all points to Oswald. I've
    challenged you on numerous occasions to produce even a single piece of evidence that anyone
    except Oswald took part in the crime and you have balked every time. Your whole approach is
    one of cancellation because the evidence we have doesn't fit what you want to believe.

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  • From Gil Jesus@21:1/5 to John Corbett on Tue Jul 25 04:10:39 2023
    On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 5:41:08 AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    You don't post evidence, Gil. You dismiss the evidence because it all points to Oswald. I've
    challenged you on numerous occasions to produce even a single piece of evidence that anyone
    except Oswald took part in the crime and you have balked every time. Your whole approach is
    one of cancellation because the evidence we have doesn't fit what you want to believe.

    How can you lie so much ?
    Do you ever tell the truth ?
    How can one "cancel" the official version if it's the truth ?

    I post evidence.
    You're problem is that you can't accept the fact that there is evidence in the official record that questions Oswald's guilt.
    You can't deal with that.
    And you come in here every day and get your ass kicked by documents, testimony and videos of witnesses in their own words.

    Then you justify your beliefs by trying to put the burden of proof on me.
    That I somehow am obligated to name the shooters. Like that would convince you. Like I've told that nitwit Brian Doyle a hundred times, my research doesn't involve "solving" the case.
    There are plenty of theories out there, but I don't pay much attention ot them.

    My research is an EXAMINATION OF THE EVIDENCE IN THE CASE AGAINST OSWALD.
    I can't tell you who killed Kennedy, but I can tell you who DIDN'T kill Kennedy and why.

    And you can find my research here:
    www.gil-jesus.com

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  • From John Corbett@21:1/5 to Gil Jesus on Tue Jul 25 04:20:35 2023
    On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 7:10:41 AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 5:41:08 AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    You don't post evidence, Gil. You dismiss the evidence because it all points to Oswald. I've
    challenged you on numerous occasions to produce even a single piece of evidence that anyone
    except Oswald took part in the crime and you have balked every time. Your whole approach is
    one of cancellation because the evidence we have doesn't fit what you want to believe.
    How can you lie so much ?
    Do you ever tell the truth ?
    How can one "cancel" the official version if it's the truth ?

    I post evidence.

    Your evidence is nothing more than your excuses to dismiss evidence.

    You're problem is that you can't accept the fact that there is evidence in the official record that questions Oswald's guilt.
    You can't deal with that.

    You're problem is you can't accept the evidence that clearly shows Oswald killed JFK and JDT.
    You can't deal with that.

    And you come in here every day and get your ass kicked by documents, testimony and videos of witnesses in their own words.

    Gil, you couldn't raise a pimple on my ass.


    Then you justify your beliefs by trying to put the burden of proof on me.

    You mean the burden of showing that someone other than Oswald killed JFK?

    That I somehow am obligated to name the shooters. Like that would convince you.

    If you're going to claim somebody other than Oswald killed JFK, it would be nice if you could
    produce evidence of that.

    Like I've told that nitwit Brian Doyle a hundred times, my research doesn't involve "solving" the case.
    There are plenty of theories out there, but I don't pay much attention ot them.

    If you expect to convince people that Oswald didn't kill JFK, you need some evidence that
    somebody else did. Obviously, you don't have any.

    My research is an EXAMINATION OF THE EVIDENCE IN THE CASE AGAINST OSWALD.
    I can't tell you who killed Kennedy, but I can tell you who DIDN'T kill Kennedy and why.

    Even if we were to accept your silly excuses to dismiss all the evidence against Oswald on
    technical grounds, that still doesn't exonerate him and prove somebody else killed JFK.

    And you can find my research here:
    www.gil-jesus.com

    It's about as silly as Rossley's and Marsh's websites.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to geowright1963@gmail.com on Tue Jul 25 06:51:02 2023
    On Tue, 25 Jul 2023 02:41:05 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett <geowright1963@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 5:12:19?AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 12:21:39?AM UTC-4, recip...@gmail.com wrote:
    You have it backwards. We make fun of you because you keep posting stupid shit
    No Jerry, you make fun of people because you're an asshole.
    An asshole is a person whose only purpose in life is to give the world a lot of shit. Because that's what assholes do.
    And that's what you people do. Therefore, by definition, you're all a bunch of assholes.

    The only stupid postings are your comments and I'll put my evidence up against your stupid comments any day of the week.

    You don't post evidence, Gil.


    You can't convince people with wacky lies, Corbutt.

    By *this* standard, the WCR never referenced any evidence.


    You dismiss the evidence because it all points to Oswald. I've
    challenged you on numerous occasions to produce even a single piece of evidence that anyone
    except Oswald took part in the crime and you have balked every time.


    I posted it, and YOU RAN EVERY SINGLE TIME. Just as you'll run this
    time.

    The dozens of witnesses who pointed to the GK is EXACTLY the evidence
    you demand - yet you pretend it's never been posted.

    And can't answer it.


    Your whole approach is
    one of cancellation because the evidence we have doesn't fit what you want to believe.


    You cannot convince people with lies. When are you going to learn
    this?

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to geowright1963@gmail.com on Tue Jul 25 06:56:27 2023
    On Tue, 25 Jul 2023 04:20:35 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett <geowright1963@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 7:10:41?AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 5:41:08?AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    You don't post evidence, Gil. You dismiss the evidence because it all points to Oswald. I've
    challenged you on numerous occasions to produce even a single piece of evidence that anyone
    except Oswald took part in the crime and you have balked every time. Your whole approach is
    one of cancellation because the evidence we have doesn't fit what you want to believe.
    How can you lie so much ?
    Do you ever tell the truth ?
    How can one "cancel" the official version if it's the truth ?

    I post evidence.

    Your evidence is nothing more than your excuses to dismiss evidence.


    You're lying again, Corbutt


    You're problem is that you can't accept the fact that there is evidence in the official record that questions Oswald's guilt.
    You can't deal with that.

    You're problem is you can't accept the evidence that clearly shows Oswald killed JFK and JDT.
    You can't deal with that.


    You're lying again, Corbutt.


    And you come in here every day and get your ass kicked by documents, testimony and videos of witnesses in their own words.


    Logical fallacy deleted.


    Then you justify your beliefs by trying to put the burden of proof on me.

    You mean the burden of showing that someone other than Oswald killed JFK?


    Tell us *YOUR* burden, Corbutt...

    Your inability to do so simply shows your cowardice.


    That I somehow am obligated to name the shooters. Like that would convince you.

    If you're going to claim somebody other than Oswald killed JFK, it would be nice if you could
    produce evidence of that.


    If you're going to claim that Oswald alone killed JFK, it would be
    nice if you could cite evidence for that.


    Like I've told that nitwit Brian Doyle a hundred times, my research doesn't involve "solving" the case.
    There are plenty of theories out there, but I don't pay much attention ot them.

    If you expect to convince people that Oswald didn't kill JFK, you need some evidence that
    somebody else did. Obviously, you don't have any.


    If you expect to convince people that Oswald alone killed JFK, you
    need som evidence for that. Obviously, you don't have any.

    And my reference to the dozens of people who pointed to the GK is the
    very evidence you pretend doesn't exist.

    You can't answer it.


    My research is an EXAMINATION OF THE EVIDENCE IN THE CASE AGAINST OSWALD.
    I can't tell you who killed Kennedy, but I can tell you who DIDN'T kill Kennedy and why.


    Logical fallacy deleted.


    And you can find my research here:
    www.gil-jesus.com


    Logical fallacy deleted.

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  • From Bud@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Tue Jul 25 09:59:21 2023
    On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 9:51:06 AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Tue, 25 Jul 2023 02:41:05 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett
    <geowri...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 5:12:19?AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 12:21:39?AM UTC-4, recip...@gmail.com wrote: >> > You have it backwards. We make fun of you because you keep posting stupid shit
    No Jerry, you make fun of people because you're an asshole.
    An asshole is a person whose only purpose in life is to give the world a lot of shit. Because that's what assholes do.
    And that's what you people do. Therefore, by definition, you're all a bunch of assholes.

    The only stupid postings are your comments and I'll put my evidence up against your stupid comments any day of the week.

    You don't post evidence, Gil.
    You can't convince people with wacky lies, Corbutt.

    That is why you need a new approach, Holmes.

    By *this* standard, the WCR never referenced any evidence.
    You dismiss the evidence because it all points to Oswald. I've
    challenged you on numerous occasions to produce even a single piece of evidence that anyone
    except Oswald took part in the crime and you have balked every time.
    I posted it, and YOU RAN EVERY SINGLE TIME. Just as you'll run this
    time.

    The dozens of witnesses who pointed to the GK is EXACTLY the evidence
    you demand - yet you pretend it's never been posted.

    We just look at that information correctly.

    And can't answer it.

    What is there to answer?

    Your whole approach is
    one of cancellation because the evidence we have doesn't fit what you want to believe.
    You cannot convince people with lies.

    That is exactly why you and Gil need a new approach.

    When are you going to learn
    this?

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  • From Chuck Schuyler@21:1/5 to Gil Jesus on Tue Jul 25 10:27:17 2023
    On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 6:10:41 AM UTC-5, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 5:41:08 AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    You don't post evidence, Gil. You dismiss the evidence because it all points to Oswald. I've
    challenged you on numerous occasions to produce even a single piece of evidence that anyone
    except Oswald took part in the crime and you have balked every time. Your whole approach is
    one of cancellation because the evidence we have doesn't fit what you want to believe.

    How can you lie so much ?
    Do you ever tell the truth ?
    How can one "cancel" the official version if it's the truth ?

    He's saying that you "cancel" the evidence.

    I post evidence.

    Evidence that you think shows Oswald was innocent, but this is your OPINION. Democrats and Republicans, liberals and conservatives, looked at the evidence and the BEST conclusion they came up with is that Oswald was the killer that day, and they could
    find no proof of any help he may have had.

    You're problem is that you can't accept the fact that there is evidence in the official record that questions Oswald's guilt.
    You can't deal with that.
    And you come in here every day and get your ass kicked by documents, testimony and videos of witnesses in their own words.

    Then you justify your beliefs by trying to put the burden of proof on me.

    Ah, but the burden of proof is on you, Gil. One side has a fully formed case. Their burden has been met over several investigations, replete with a suspect, shooting sequence, forensics, evidence of different types that points to the same conclusion (
    consilience), and so on. The way this works is that Team Oswald is making some very substantial claims, so you are being asked to make a POSITIVE case for what you are alleging (a vast conspiracy to kill JFK) and not a NEGATIVE case against the side
    which has already published their findings, accepted historically, and regarded as a closed case by the FBI, DPD, and so on. TELL US WHAT HAPPENED. We can then compare it to the WC findings.


    That I somehow am obligated to name the shooters. Like that would convince you.

    Aren't you at least obligated to be held to the same standards to those whose work you criticize?

    Like I've told that nitwit Brian Doyle a hundred times, my research doesn't involve "solving" the case.
    There are plenty of theories out there, but I don't pay much attention ot them.

    Deeply revealing. You realize you are engaged in an epic snipe hunt, right?

    My research is an EXAMINATION OF THE EVIDENCE IN THE CASE AGAINST OSWALD.
    I can't tell you who killed Kennedy, but I can tell you who DIDN'T kill Kennedy and why.

    Basically, you're alleging that on 11/22/63, some people did something. No one knows who the shooter(s) were, how many shots were fired, what type of weapons were used, who was behind it, why it happened, why they didn't just wait to see if he'd even be
    reelected in 11 months, and on and on.

    It's always a few seconds past 12:30pm, 11/22/63 in your world, and the limo is speeding to Parkland, spectators in the plaza running pell-mell in confusion. Everything is up in the air, nothing can be pinpointed.

    Except that Oswald is innocent.

    Historically, Oswald is guilty, Gil. No one cares about your interpretation of what evidence would be allowed in court.

    And you can find my research here:
    www.gil-jesus.com

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to chuckschuyler123@gmail.com on Tue Jul 25 13:06:20 2023
    On Tue, 25 Jul 2023 10:27:17 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler <chuckschuyler123@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 6:10:41?AM UTC-5, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 5:41:08?AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    You don't post evidence, Gil. You dismiss the evidence because it all points to Oswald. I've
    challenged you on numerous occasions to produce even a single piece of evidence that anyone
    except Oswald took part in the crime and you have balked every time. Your whole approach is
    one of cancellation because the evidence we have doesn't fit what you want to believe.

    How can you lie so much ?
    Do you ever tell the truth ?
    How can one "cancel" the official version if it's the truth ?

    He's saying that you "cancel" the evidence.


    He's lying. As are you in support.


    I post evidence.

    Evidence...


    Yes. Evidence.


    You're problem is that you can't accept the fact that there is evidence in the official record that questions Oswald's guilt.
    You can't deal with that.
    And you come in here every day and get your ass kicked by documents, testimony and videos of witnesses in their own words.

    Then you justify your beliefs by trying to put the burden of proof on me.

    Ah, but the burden of proof is on you...


    Just as it's also on you.


    That I somehow am obligated to name the shooters. Like that would convince you.

    Aren't you at least obligated to be held to the same standards to those whose work you criticize?


    No, absolutely not! **YOUR** standards are that you have no burden.


    Like I've told that nitwit Brian Doyle a hundred times, my research doesn't involve "solving" the case.
    There are plenty of theories out there, but I don't pay much attention ot them.


    Logical fallacy deleted.


    My research is an EXAMINATION OF THE EVIDENCE IN THE CASE AGAINST OSWALD.
    I can't tell you who killed Kennedy, but I can tell you who DIDN'T kill Kennedy and why.

    Basically, you're alleging that on 11/22/63...


    Evidence will show us what happened... and what didn't.


    And you can find my research here:
    www.gil-jesus.com

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  • From recipient.x@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Gil Jesus on Tue Jul 25 17:12:23 2023
    On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 4:12:19 AM UTC-5, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 12:21:39 AM UTC-4, recip...@gmail.com wrote:
    You have it backwards. We make fun of you because you keep posting stupid shit
    No Jerry, you make fun of people because you're an asshole.
    An asshole is a person whose only purpose in life is to give the world a lot of shit. Because that's what assholes do.
    And that's what you people do. Therefore, by definition, you're all a bunch of assholes.

    So says Gil, without noticing the terrible irony baked into his little diatribe.


    The only stupid postings are your comments and I'll put my evidence up against your stupid comments any day of the week.

    Stupid is pretending that late-stage Roger Craig is a reliable source or that the Grant photo shows a bent curtain rod.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 3 07:00:28 2023
    On Mon, 24 Jul 2023 11:14:23 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirslick@fast.net>
    wrote:

    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 9:21:35?AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 5:58:37?AM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
    You have taken the position that the lack of a trial makes it impossible to ascertain guilt, have you not?

    https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/f7509c1cdc169d03.jpg
    No I've taken the position that a defendant is innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

    Which is a trial standard that can`t be achieved without a trial.


    Hard to do without a crime, too.


    The validity of this case has plenty of doubt, whether you like it or not. >>
    Evidence with no chain of custody.
    Evidence that hasn't been identified.
    Evidence that wasn't secured.
    Crime scenes that weren't secured.
    Unfair police lineups.
    Witnesses ignored.
    Witnesses threatened and harrassed.
    Judicial procedure abandonned.
    Constitutional rights violated.

    The case is rife with police corruption and mishandling of evidence.
    There is much more than a reasonble doubt of Oswald's guilt in this case.


    Worthless opinion deleted.


    Now go sit in the corner and STFU.
    If I want any shit out of you, I'll squeeze your head.

    Stupid opinion deleted.

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