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  • Vincent Bugliosi's 53 Reasons - #44 - Refuted

    From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 21 07:15:14 2023
    (44) Oswald's work clipboard was found on the sixth floor of the TSBD.

    After an extensive search - this clipboard suddenly appeared a week
    later. Other than the obvious fact that Oswald *WORKED* there, and
    should therefore have such items... there's nothing about this
    clipboard that shows him to be a murderer.

    Would the 'finding' of any other order-filler employee's clipboard
    'prove' him guilty of murder?

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to Admin@ConspiracyJFKForum.com on Mon Jul 24 07:36:53 2023
    On Fri, 21 Jul 2023 07:15:14 -0700, Ben Holmes
    <Admin@ConspiracyJFKForum.com> wrote:

    (44) Oswald's work clipboard was found on the sixth floor of the TSBD.

    After an extensive search - this clipboard suddenly appeared a week
    later. Other than the obvious fact that Oswald *WORKED* there, and
    should therefore have such items... there's nothing about this
    clipboard that shows him to be a murderer.

    Would the 'finding' of any other order-filler employee's clipboard
    'prove' him guilty of murder?

    Abject cowardice from Chickenshit, Chuckles, Von Penis, Huckster, and
    Corbutt.

    They cannot refute my refutation, nor defend Bugs wacky ideas.

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  • From Chuck Schuyler@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Mon Jul 24 08:23:50 2023
    On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 9:15:18 AM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    (44) Oswald's work clipboard was found on the sixth floor of the TSBD.

    After an extensive search - this clipboard suddenly appeared a week
    later. Other than the obvious fact that Oswald *WORKED* there, and
    should therefore have such items... there's nothing about this
    clipboard that shows him to be a murderer.

    Would the 'finding' of any other order-filler employee's clipboard
    'prove' him guilty of murder?

    So it was determined that Oswald was guilty of murdering two people on 11/22/63 because of a clipboard?

    Nothing else to go on?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to chuckschuyler123@gmail.com on Mon Jul 24 09:23:40 2023
    On Mon, 24 Jul 2023 08:23:50 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler <chuckschuyler123@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 9:15:18?AM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    (44) Oswald's work clipboard was found on the sixth floor of the TSBD.

    After an extensive search - this clipboard suddenly appeared a week
    later. Other than the obvious fact that Oswald *WORKED* there, and
    should therefore have such items... there's nothing about this
    clipboard that shows him to be a murderer.

    Would the 'finding' of any other order-filler employee's clipboard
    'prove' him guilty of murder?

    Logical fallacy deleted.

    Nothing else to go on?

    Sorry stupid, but if each piece of evidence BY ITSELF doesn't
    demonstrate a crime, it suddenly cannot gain that ability when tossed
    in with anything else.

    Make an argument, or run like a coward... who cares?

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  • From Gil Jesus@21:1/5 to Chuck Schuyler on Tue Jul 25 05:15:11 2023
    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 11:23:52 AM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    So it was determined that Oswald was guilty of murdering two people on 11/22/63 because of a clipboard?

    According to Bugliosi. It's one of his reasons for Oswald's guilt.

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  • From BT George@21:1/5 to Gil Jesus on Tue Jul 25 06:28:58 2023
    On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 7:15:13 AM UTC-5, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 11:23:52 AM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    So it was determined that Oswald was guilty of murdering two people on 11/22/63 because of a clipboard?
    According to Bugliosi. It's ***one*** of his (many) reasons for Oswald's guilt.

    Let me highlight the key word an insert a further clarification to make you statement accurate. Say the word CUMULATIVE. Good. Now CUMULATIVE CASE. Great! ***That*** is the point.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From BT George@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Tue Jul 25 06:33:35 2023
    On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 9:15:18 AM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    (44) Oswald's work clipboard was found on the sixth floor of the TSBD.

    After an extensive search - this clipboard suddenly appeared a week
    later. Other than the obvious fact that Oswald *WORKED* there, and
    should therefore have such items... there's nothing about this
    clipboard that shows him to be a murderer.


    That's not the point. The fact they found it ***AND*** it showed NO ORDERS FILLED that morning form a PART of the CUMULATIVE CASE that Oswald was fiercely working on something the morning NOT WORK related. (Uhhh...like maybe a Snipers Nest.) Hence it
    is a single piece of FURTHER *circumstantial* evidence to show LHO was a guilty man. Does it alone "prove" anything. No. Does it TOGETHER with everything else point CLEARLY in his direction? YEPPER!!!

    Would the 'finding' of any other order-filler employee's clipboard
    'prove' him guilty of murder?

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to gjjmail1202@gmail.com on Tue Jul 25 07:00:10 2023
    On Tue, 25 Jul 2023 05:15:11 -0700 (PDT), Gil Jesus
    <gjjmail1202@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 11:23:52?AM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    So it was determined that Oswald was guilty of murdering two people on 11/22/63 because of a clipboard?

    According to Bugliosi. It's one of his reasons for Oswald's guilt.

    Believers are starting to see just how stupid some of their arguments
    are... it's embarrassing to them.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Gil Jesus@21:1/5 to BT George on Tue Jul 25 08:40:34 2023
    On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 9:28:59 AM UTC-4, BT George wrote:

    Let me highlight the key word an insert a further clarification to make you statement accurate. Say the word CUMULATIVE. Good. Now CUMULATIVE CASE. Great! ***That*** is the point.

    Bugliosi also stalked a milkman because the guy quit his job around the same time the Bug's wife got pregnant with their son.
    He claimed the milkman was hitting his wife and that his kid was really the milkman's.
    Bugliosi was a fucking kook.
    And here's the proof:

    https://youtu.be/2wPIng0hGxQ

    see also: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/true-crime-ep-53-vincent-bugliosi-was-a-creep/id1495280879?i=1000536832053

    and: https://atwaatwar.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/the-vince-bugliosi-story-16-3-mb.pdf

    According to this evidence, Bugliosi was guilty of:

    abusing the power of his office
    falsification of evidence
    perjury in his sworn depositions
    complicity in the obstruction of justice
    slander of innocent people

    What does it say about the man's credibility ?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to gjjmail1202@gmail.com on Tue Jul 25 08:56:33 2023
    On Tue, 25 Jul 2023 08:40:34 -0700 (PDT), Gil Jesus
    <gjjmail1202@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 9:28:59?AM UTC-4, BT George wrote:

    Let me highlight the key word an insert a further clarification to make you statement accurate. Say the word CUMULATIVE. Good. Now CUMULATIVE CASE. Great! ***That*** is the point.

    Bugliosi also stalked a milkman because the guy quit his job around the same time the Bug's wife got pregnant with their son.
    He claimed the milkman was hitting his wife and that his kid was really the milkman's.
    Bugliosi was a fucking kook.
    And here's the proof:

    https://youtu.be/2wPIng0hGxQ

    see also: >https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/true-crime-ep-53-vincent-bugliosi-was-a-creep/id1495280879?i=1000536832053

    and: >https://atwaatwar.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/the-vince-bugliosi-story-16-3-mb.pdf

    According to this evidence, Bugliosi was guilty of:

    abusing the power of his office
    falsification of evidence
    perjury in his sworn depositions
    complicity in the obstruction of justice
    slander of innocent people

    What does it say about the man's credibility ?


    More importantly, what does it say when Bugliosi's biggest fan in this
    forum ABSOLUTELY REFUSES to defend him? Von Penis is TERRIFIED of
    this series - and simply refuses to respond to most of them.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From BT George@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Tue Jul 25 08:28:46 2023
    On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 9:00:14 AM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Tue, 25 Jul 2023 05:15:11 -0700 (PDT), Gil Jesus
    <gjjma...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 11:23:52?AM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    So it was determined that Oswald was guilty of murdering two people on 11/22/63 because of a clipboard?

    According to Bugliosi. It's one of his reasons for Oswald's guilt.
    Believers are starting to see just how stupid some of their arguments
    are... it's embarrassing to them.

    Queue it! It's mirror time!!!

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Bud@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Tue Jul 25 10:30:32 2023
    On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 11:56:37 AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Tue, 25 Jul 2023 08:40:34 -0700 (PDT), Gil Jesus
    <gjjma...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 9:28:59?AM UTC-4, BT George wrote:

    Let me highlight the key word an insert a further clarification to make you statement accurate. Say the word CUMULATIVE. Good. Now CUMULATIVE CASE. Great! ***That*** is the point.

    Bugliosi also stalked a milkman because the guy quit his job around the same time the Bug's wife got pregnant with their son.
    He claimed the milkman was hitting his wife and that his kid was really the milkman's.
    Bugliosi was a fucking kook.
    And here's the proof:

    https://youtu.be/2wPIng0hGxQ

    see also: >https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/true-crime-ep-53-vincent-bugliosi-was-a-creep/id1495280879?i=1000536832053

    and: >https://atwaatwar.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/the-vince-bugliosi-story-16-3-mb.pdf

    According to this evidence, Bugliosi was guilty of:

    abusing the power of his office
    falsification of evidence
    perjury in his sworn depositions
    complicity in the obstruction of justice
    slander of innocent people

    What does it say about the man's credibility ?
    More importantly, what does it say when Bugliosi's biggest fan in this
    forum ABSOLUTELY REFUSES to defend him? Von Penis is TERRIFIED of
    this series - and simply refuses to respond to most of them.

    Why should he, you are only blowing hot air anyway.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From John Corbett@21:1/5 to Gil Jesus on Tue Jul 25 13:52:33 2023
    On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 11:40:36 AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 9:28:59 AM UTC-4, BT George wrote:

    Let me highlight the key word an insert a further clarification to make you statement accurate. Say the word CUMULATIVE. Good. Now CUMULATIVE CASE. Great! ***That*** is the point.
    Bugliosi also stalked a milkman because the guy quit his job around the same time the Bug's wife got pregnant with their son.
    He claimed the milkman was hitting his wife and that his kid was really the milkman's.
    Bugliosi was a fucking kook.
    And here's the proof:

    https://youtu.be/2wPIng0hGxQ

    see also: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/true-crime-ep-53-vincent-bugliosi-was-a-creep/id1495280879?i=1000536832053

    and: https://atwaatwar.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/the-vince-bugliosi-story-16-3-mb.pdf

    According to this evidence, Bugliosi was guilty of:

    abusing the power of his office
    falsification of evidence
    perjury in his sworn depositions
    complicity in the obstruction of justice
    slander of innocent people

    What does it say about the man's credibility ?

    What does it say for your credibility when you think any of this is relevant to Bugliosi's work
    regarding the JFK assassination?

    You are using the ploy of the non-denial denial. As defined by Ben Bradlee (close friend of JFK)
    in the movie All The President's Men, "That's when they question our ancestry but don't say our
    story isn't right.". Unable to impeach Bugliosi's arguments regarding the evidence against
    Oswald, you resort to character assassination. Whatever character flaws Bugliosi may or may
    not have had don't invalidate what he learned in researching Reclaiming History for almost 20
    years. Two things can be true at the same time. Bugliosi could be an SOB and his research into
    the JFK assassination could be impeccable. If you have problems with the latter, why do you
    focus on the former?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to geowright1963@gmail.com on Tue Jul 25 14:31:18 2023
    On Tue, 25 Jul 2023 13:52:33 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett <geowright1963@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 11:40:36?AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 9:28:59?AM UTC-4, BT George wrote:

    Let me highlight the key word an insert a further clarification to make you statement accurate. Say the word CUMULATIVE. Good. Now CUMULATIVE CASE. Great! ***That*** is the point.
    Bugliosi also stalked a milkman because the guy quit his job around the same time the Bug's wife got pregnant with their son.
    He claimed the milkman was hitting his wife and that his kid was really the milkman's.
    Bugliosi was a fucking kook.
    And here's the proof:

    https://youtu.be/2wPIng0hGxQ

    see also:
    https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/true-crime-ep-53-vincent-bugliosi-was-a-creep/id1495280879?i=1000536832053

    and:
    https://atwaatwar.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/the-vince-bugliosi-story-16-3-mb.pdf

    According to this evidence, Bugliosi was guilty of:

    abusing the power of his office
    falsification of evidence
    perjury in his sworn depositions
    complicity in the obstruction of justice
    slander of innocent people

    What does it say about the man's credibility ?

    What does it say for your credibility when you think any of this is relevant to Bugliosi's work
    regarding the JFK assassination?

    What does it say for your crediblity that the WC did precisely the
    same thing when an eyewitness was saying things they didn't want to
    hear?

    You are using the ploy of the non-denial denial.


    The WC used the ploy of the non-denial denial.

    And *YOU* will deny it.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Chuck Schuyler@21:1/5 to Gil Jesus on Tue Jul 25 18:01:59 2023
    On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 10:40:36 AM UTC-5, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 9:28:59 AM UTC-4, BT George wrote:

    Let me highlight the key word an insert a further clarification to make you statement accurate. Say the word CUMULATIVE. Good. Now CUMULATIVE CASE. Great! ***That*** is the point.
    Bugliosi also stalked a milkman because the guy quit his job around the same time the Bug's wife got pregnant with their son.
    He claimed the milkman was hitting his wife and that his kid was really the milkman's.
    Bugliosi was a fucking kook.
    And here's the proof:

    https://youtu.be/2wPIng0hGxQ

    see also: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/true-crime-ep-53-vincent-bugliosi-was-a-creep/id1495280879?i=1000536832053

    and: https://atwaatwar.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/the-vince-bugliosi-story-16-3-mb.pdf

    According to this evidence, Bugliosi was guilty of:

    abusing the power of his office
    falsification of evidence
    perjury in his sworn depositions
    complicity in the obstruction of justice
    slander of innocent people

    What does it say about the man's credibility ?

    Regarding his JFK work? Nothing.

    He does seem to have had some serious personal flaws though. Too bad. I know DVP is a big Bugs fan, but I've always thought VB was a bit arrogant. Doesn't change the impact of his writings on the JFK assassination one bit though.

    MLK Jr. did a tremendous amount to move civil rights issues forward in the 60s. He also was a creep and cheated on his wife regularly.

    Duke Cunningham was a Vietnam War American fighter ace and decorated pilot. He was also convicted of tax fraud, wire fraud, mail fraud and bribery, and sentenced to a long prison sentence.

    Life is complicated, Gil. The list of people with real accomplishments that also have personal flaws or committed crimes that seem out of character when measured against their triumphs is a very long list.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to chuckschuyler123@gmail.com on Wed Jul 26 07:09:55 2023
    On Tue, 25 Jul 2023 18:01:59 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler <chuckschuyler123@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 10:40:36?AM UTC-5, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 9:28:59?AM UTC-4, BT George wrote:

    Let me highlight the key word an insert a further clarification to make you statement accurate. Say the word CUMULATIVE. Good. Now CUMULATIVE CASE. Great! ***That*** is the point.
    Bugliosi also stalked a milkman because the guy quit his job around the same time the Bug's wife got pregnant with their son.
    He claimed the milkman was hitting his wife and that his kid was really the milkman's.
    Bugliosi was a fucking kook.
    And here's the proof:

    https://youtu.be/2wPIng0hGxQ

    see also:
    https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/true-crime-ep-53-vincent-bugliosi-was-a-creep/id1495280879?i=1000536832053

    and:
    https://atwaatwar.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/the-vince-bugliosi-story-16-3-mb.pdf

    According to this evidence, Bugliosi was guilty of:

    abusing the power of his office
    falsification of evidence
    perjury in his sworn depositions
    complicity in the obstruction of justice
    slander of innocent people

    What does it say about the man's credibility ?

    Regarding his JFK work? Nothing.

    Moron, aren't you? A man's credibility is ALWAYS relevant to what he
    reports.

    The WC understood that - that's why they undercut witnesses that
    reported things they didn't like.

    And you say **NOTHING** about that fact.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From BT George@21:1/5 to Gil Jesus on Wed Jul 26 07:57:11 2023
    On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 10:40:36 AM UTC-5, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 9:28:59 AM UTC-4, BT George wrote:

    Let me highlight the key word an insert a further clarification to make you statement accurate. Say the word CUMULATIVE. Good. Now CUMULATIVE CASE. Great! ***That*** is the point.
    Bugliosi also stalked a milkman because the guy quit his job around the same time the Bug's wife got pregnant with their son.
    He claimed the milkman was hitting his wife and that his kid was really the milkman's.
    Bugliosi was a fucking kook.
    And here's the proof:

    https://youtu.be/2wPIng0hGxQ

    see also: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/true-crime-ep-53-vincent-bugliosi-was-a-creep/id1495280879?i=1000536832053

    and: https://atwaatwar.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/the-vince-bugliosi-story-16-3-mb.pdf

    According to this evidence, Bugliosi was guilty of:

    abusing the power of his office
    falsification of evidence
    perjury in his sworn depositions
    complicity in the obstruction of justice
    slander of innocent people

    What does it say about the man's credibility ?

    I don't even LIKE the man. He was an extreme Liberal and could be a a petty whining virulently anti-Christian agnostic. (No slap at all agnostics, just Bugliosi and ones like him.) But even a broken analogue clock is right twice a day, and in the case
    of LHO, he was pretty much spot on. Attack the *full* argument he makes here, not the man.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Chuck Schuyler@21:1/5 to BT George on Wed Jul 26 08:32:23 2023
    On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 9:57:13 AM UTC-5, BT George wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 10:40:36 AM UTC-5, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 9:28:59 AM UTC-4, BT George wrote:

    Let me highlight the key word an insert a further clarification to make you statement accurate. Say the word CUMULATIVE. Good. Now CUMULATIVE CASE. Great! ***That*** is the point.
    Bugliosi also stalked a milkman because the guy quit his job around the same time the Bug's wife got pregnant with their son.
    He claimed the milkman was hitting his wife and that his kid was really the milkman's.
    Bugliosi was a fucking kook.
    And here's the proof:

    https://youtu.be/2wPIng0hGxQ

    see also: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/true-crime-ep-53-vincent-bugliosi-was-a-creep/id1495280879?i=1000536832053

    and: https://atwaatwar.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/the-vince-bugliosi-story-16-3-mb.pdf

    According to this evidence, Bugliosi was guilty of:

    abusing the power of his office
    falsification of evidence
    perjury in his sworn depositions
    complicity in the obstruction of justice
    slander of innocent people

    What does it say about the man's credibility ?
    I don't even LIKE the man. He was an extreme Liberal and could be a a petty whining virulently anti-Christian agnostic. (No slap at all agnostics, just Bugliosi and ones like him.) But even a broken analogue clock is right twice a day, and in the case
    of LHO, he was pretty much spot on. Attack the *full* argument he makes here, not the man.

    Life is complicated, people are complicated. Bugliosi once claimed there was "conclusive evidence" Sirhan Sirhan didn't act alone in the RFK assassination:

    https://www.oklahoman.com/story/news/1981/11/21/sirhan-didnt-act-alone-author-claims/60362706007/

    What say you, Ben Holmes?

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to chuckschuyler123@gmail.com on Wed Jul 26 09:24:27 2023
    On Wed, 26 Jul 2023 08:32:23 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler <chuckschuyler123@gmail.com> wrote:

    Life is complicated, people are complicated. Bugliosi once claimed there was "conclusive evidence" Sirhan Sirhan didn't act alone in the RFK assassination:

    https://www.oklahoman.com/story/news/1981/11/21/sirhan-didnt-act-alone-author-claims/60362706007/

    What say you, Ben Holmes?

    Already posted it years ago. Getting senile?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Chuck Schuyler@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Wed Jul 26 10:40:47 2023
    On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 11:24:31 AM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Wed, 26 Jul 2023 08:32:23 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler <chucksch...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Life is complicated, people are complicated. Bugliosi once claimed there was "conclusive evidence" Sirhan Sirhan didn't act alone in the RFK assassination:

    https://www.oklahoman.com/story/news/1981/11/21/sirhan-didnt-act-alone-author-claims/60362706007/

    What say you, Ben Holmes?

    Already posted it years ago. Getting senile?

    Yes, everything has been posted before.

    Gil and you claim we can judge Bugliosi's JFK work by his creepy personal behavior. Does that hold true for his RFK work?

    You just wrote this: "Moron, aren't you? A man's credibility is ALWAYS relevant to what he
    reports."

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  • From Chuck Schuyler@21:1/5 to Gil Jesus on Wed Jul 26 10:41:56 2023
    On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 7:15:13 AM UTC-5, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 11:23:52 AM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    So it was determined that Oswald was guilty of murdering two people on 11/22/63 because of a clipboard?

    According to Bugliosi. It's one of his reasons for Oswald's guilt.

    Cumulatively with other things, not on its own.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to chuckschuyler123@gmail.com on Wed Jul 26 13:03:19 2023
    On Wed, 26 Jul 2023 10:41:56 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler <chuckschuyler123@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 7:15:13?AM UTC-5, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 11:23:52?AM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    So it was determined that Oswald was guilty of murdering two people on 11/22/63 because of a clipboard?

    According to Bugliosi. It's one of his reasons for Oswald's guilt.

    Cumulatively with other things, not on its own.

    Sorry stupid, this isn't what Bugliosi claimed.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to chuckschuyler123@gmail.com on Wed Jul 26 13:02:49 2023
    On Wed, 26 Jul 2023 10:40:47 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler <chuckschuyler123@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 11:24:31?AM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Wed, 26 Jul 2023 08:32:23 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler
    <chucksch...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Life is complicated, people are complicated. Bugliosi once claimed there was "conclusive evidence" Sirhan Sirhan didn't act alone in the RFK assassination:
    https://www.oklahoman.com/story/news/1981/11/21/sirhan-didnt-act-alone-author-claims/60362706007/

    What say you, Ben Holmes?

    Already posted it years ago. Getting senile?

    Yes, everything has been posted before.


    No, that's simply not true.

    The answer to my question about the WC and Mrs. Tice, as merely one
    example.

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  • From Chuck Schuyler@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Wed Jul 26 13:08:45 2023
    On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 3:03:23 PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Wed, 26 Jul 2023 10:41:56 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler <chucksch...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 7:15:13?AM UTC-5, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 11:23:52?AM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    So it was determined that Oswald was guilty of murdering two people on 11/22/63 because of a clipboard?

    According to Bugliosi. It's one of his reasons for Oswald's guilt.

    Cumulatively with other things, not on its own.

    Sorry stupid, this isn't what Bugliosi claimed.

    Tell that to Gil. Gil wrote above, "According to Bugliosi. It's one of his reasons for Oswald's guilt."

    Ouch! Careful or Gil will take your JFK secret decoder ring away from you.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to chuckschuyler123@gmail.com on Wed Jul 26 13:17:13 2023
    On Wed, 26 Jul 2023 13:08:45 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler <chuckschuyler123@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 3:03:23?PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Wed, 26 Jul 2023 10:41:56 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler
    <chucksch...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 7:15:13?AM UTC-5, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 11:23:52?AM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    So it was determined that Oswald was guilty of murdering two people on 11/22/63 because of a clipboard?

    According to Bugliosi. It's one of his reasons for Oswald's guilt.

    Cumulatively with other things, not on its own.

    Sorry stupid, this isn't what Bugliosi claimed.

    Tell that to Gil. Gil wrote above, "According to Bugliosi. It's one of his reasons for Oswald's guilt."


    Sorry stupid, what you just quoted Gil saying is **NOT** what I just
    refuted.


    Ouch! Careful or Gil will take your JFK secret decoder ring away from you.


    I'm not responsible for your wacky mis-understandings...

    Gil is smarter than that, to impugn to me your wacky theories...

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  • From John Corbett@21:1/5 to Gil Jesus on Wed Jul 26 13:27:11 2023
    On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 11:40:36 AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 9:28:59 AM UTC-4, BT George wrote:

    Let me highlight the key word an insert a further clarification to make you statement accurate. Say the word CUMULATIVE. Good. Now CUMULATIVE CASE. Great! ***That*** is the point.
    Bugliosi also stalked a milkman because the guy quit his job around the same time the Bug's wife got pregnant with their son.
    He claimed the milkman was hitting his wife and that his kid was really the milkman's.
    Reminds me of the story about the housewife (are we still allowed to use that term?) who
    coaxed the milkman inside then led him to the bedroom where they made love. Afterwards,
    she fixed breakfast for him. After finishing the meal, she gave him a dollar. Perplexed, the
    milkman asked her, "Why are you doing all of this for me?". The woman replied, "It was my
    husband's idea.". The milkman responded, "Your husband's idea?". The woman said, "Yes.
    I asked him what I should do for the milkman for Christmas and he said, 'Fuck him. Give him
    a dollar.' Breakfast was my idea.".

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  • From BT George@21:1/5 to John Corbett on Mon Jul 31 09:36:31 2023
    On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 3:27:12 PM UTC-5, John Corbett wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 11:40:36 AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 9:28:59 AM UTC-4, BT George wrote:

    Let me highlight the key word an insert a further clarification to make you statement accurate. Say the word CUMULATIVE. Good. Now CUMULATIVE CASE. Great! ***That*** is the point.
    Bugliosi also stalked a milkman because the guy quit his job around the same time the Bug's wife got pregnant with their son.
    He claimed the milkman was hitting his wife and that his kid was really the milkman's.
    Reminds me of the story about the housewife (are we still allowed to use that term?)

    I won't tell.

    who
    coaxed the milkman inside then led him to the bedroom where they made love. Afterwards,
    she fixed breakfast for him. After finishing the meal, she gave him a dollar. Perplexed, the
    milkman asked her, "Why are you doing all of this for me?". The woman replied, "It was my
    husband's idea.". The milkman responded, "Your husband's idea?". The woman said, "Yes.
    I asked him what I should do for the milkman for Christmas and he said, 'Fuck him. Give him
    a dollar.' Breakfast was my idea.".

    Well she followed his instruction "to the letter"!

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 3 07:00:28 2023
    On Tue, 25 Jul 2023 10:30:32 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirslick@fast.net>
    wrote:

    On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 11:56:37?AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Tue, 25 Jul 2023 08:40:34 -0700 (PDT), Gil Jesus
    <gjjma...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 9:28:59?AM UTC-4, BT George wrote:

    Let me highlight the key word an insert a further clarification to make you statement accurate. Say the word CUMULATIVE. Good. Now CUMULATIVE CASE. Great! ***That*** is the point.

    Bugliosi also stalked a milkman because the guy quit his job around the same time the Bug's wife got pregnant with their son.
    He claimed the milkman was hitting his wife and that his kid was really the milkman's.
    Bugliosi was a fucking kook.
    And here's the proof:

    https://youtu.be/2wPIng0hGxQ

    see also: >>>https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/true-crime-ep-53-vincent-bugliosi-was-a-creep/id1495280879?i=1000536832053

    and: >>>https://atwaatwar.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/the-vince-bugliosi-story-16-3-mb.pdf

    According to this evidence, Bugliosi was guilty of:

    abusing the power of his office
    falsification of evidence
    perjury in his sworn depositions
    complicity in the obstruction of justice
    slander of innocent people

    What does it say about the man's credibility ?
    More importantly, what does it say when Bugliosi's biggest fan in this
    forum ABSOLUTELY REFUSES to defend him? Von Penis is TERRIFIED of
    this series - and simply refuses to respond to most of them.

    Why should he...

    He shouldn't... defending his hero is what an honest man would do. Von
    Penis isn't an honest man.

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