On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 8:57:50 AM UTC-4, robert johnson wrote:
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Whoever the anonymous moderator is who is giving me 1 star reviews he is breaking the previous Deep Politics board rules of no abuse of any member by the moderation...Those previous rules were written in order to correct the moderation abuses beingdone by the Education Forum - but it appears the present moderation at DPF has forgotten their own board's original purpose...
I see the rules have been changed at DPF...In the 7 years that I was banned someone went in and changed the previous rules deleting those rules that protected members and kept the moderation honest...The no abuse of members rule has been deleted (giving 1 star to every post is abuse)...The right to have complaints fielded seriously and honestly has been deleted...The rule that said ordinary members were to enjoy the same respect and consideration as the moderators and administration has been
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Doyle's self indulgent posts are filled with shit and lies.
No one bothers to engage with these posts with a reply as little Brian is in his own lil' world.
Well The Deep Politics Forum members think alike as the people over here.. All his posts have only one star reviews.
No one gives a shit about his delusional and above all lying horseshit posts over there.
On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 8:57:50 AM UTC-4, robert johnson wrote:
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Doyle's self indulgent posts are filled with shit and lies.
No one bothers to engage with these posts with a reply as little Brian is in his own lil' world.
Well The Deep Politics Forum members think alike as the people over here.. All his posts have only one star reviews.
No one gives a shit about his delusional and above all lying horseshit posts over there.All he does at the DPF forum is attack researchers, or what is known as "shitposting".
Now you can see why he got banned from other forums.
He's the only one at the DPF who responds to his posts.
Nobody gives a shit about his opinion or his problems.
I guess while everyone else is online researching the assassination, he's got his hand in his pants convincing himself that they're "running" from him.
ROFLMAO
On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 8:57:50 AM UTC-4, robert johnson wrote:
All he does at the DPF forum is attack researchers, or what is known as "shitposting".
On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 11:54:36 AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 8:57:50 AM UTC-4, robert johnson wrote:
All he does at the DPF forum is attack researchers, or what is known as "shitposting".Your trolling pal Robert Johnson is the one who only stupidly attacks Gil...
You know very well what my issue is...I am calling-out Jim D because any honest researcher knows he enjoys unquestionable favoritism from the moderators and members...Jim admitted that I had proven Prayer Man was Sarah Stanton but when I approached himon the Education Forum and asked him to admit it there Jim ganged-up with Gordon and said I was only doing it to troll him and that banning me was the "right thing to do"...Gordon of course then made special rules prohibiting mention of me or my work on
The only reason Gil is trolling here is because he knows he can't answer the challenge of why he endorsed FBI's lies against main Conspiracy witness Carolyn Arnold?...Gil is using the childish method of claiming that is me "attacking" him but the truthis Gil can't answer why he acts like a Lone Nutter and backs the FBI's lies...If enough dishonest people accuse you of inordinately "attacking" researchers they can get the censorship they are looking for from their crony moderators and ignore the facts
You guys aren't serious researchers...
You're internet assholes...
On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 11:54:36 AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 8:57:50 AM UTC-4, robert johnson wrote:
And Gil will avoid answering for his Lone Nutter attacking of important Conspiracy witness Carolyn Arnold?...
On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 11:33:57 AM UTC-4, Brian Doyle wrote:22 H 635 )
And Gil will avoid answering for his Lone Nutter attacking of important Conspiracy witness Carolyn Arnold?...Gil's not attacking Carolyn Arnold. Gil is posting evidence. The fact that you don't like it, is YOUR problem, not mine.
Carolyn Arnold never saw Oswald in the second floor lunchroom. How do I know that ?
Because she was part of a GROUP of women who left their offices on the second floor and went down the FRONT STAIRWAY and out the front door.
That group included Virgie Rackley Baker, who told the FBI that she "left the second floor of the Texas School Book Depository and went out the south ( front ) door of the building" and among the women, "I was accompanied by.......Carolyn Arnold..." (
Corroboration comes from Betty Dragoo, another TSBD employee who was named as part of the group. She told the FBI, "I left my office on the second floor the the Texas School Book Depository and walked to the front entrance of the building." Among thewomen she was with "was.....Carolyn Arnold........" ( 22 H 645 )
I don't give a shit what she told Earl Golz or what he interpreted. The evidence says she never went near the second floor lunchroom.
Now if you got evidence that she did, post it.
Or if you have another witness who saw Oswald there, post it.
And don't give me that bullshit hearsay evidence from Agent Hosty, the liar extraordinaire.
There were women in that lunchroom between 12:00 and 12:30 ( 3 H 271 ), how many of them said Oswald was there ?
Carolyn Arnold saw Oswald on the FIRST FLOOR between the time she left the building at 12:25 and the President's assassination. ( CD 5, pg. 41 )
And don't give me that bullshit that she never saw the FBI reports because she signed the sworn affdavit saying she read it. ( ibid. )
That's not an attack on her, dum-dum, that's what the evidence says.
The fact that you don't like it is YOUR problem, not mine.
On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 11:33:57 AM UTC-4, Brian Doyle wrote:22 H 635 )
And Gil will avoid answering for his Lone Nutter attacking of important Conspiracy witness Carolyn Arnold?...Gil's not attacking Carolyn Arnold. Gil is posting evidence. The fact that you don't like it, is YOUR problem, not mine.
Carolyn Arnold never saw Oswald in the second floor lunchroom. How do I know that ?
Because she was part of a GROUP of women who left their offices on the second floor and went down the FRONT STAIRWAY and out the front door.
That group included Virgie Rackley Baker, who told the FBI that she "left the second floor of the Texas School Book Depository and went out the south ( front ) door of the building" and among the women, "I was accompanied by.......Carolyn Arnold..." (
Corroboration comes from Betty Dragoo, another TSBD employee who was named as part of the group. She told the FBI, "I left my office on the second floor the the Texas School Book Depository and walked to the front entrance of the building." Among thewomen she was with "was.....Carolyn Arnold........" ( 22 H 645 )
I don't give a shit what she told Earl Golz or what he interpreted. The evidence says she never went near the second floor lunchroom.
Now if you got evidence that she did, post it.
Or if you have another witness who saw Oswald there, post it.
And don't give me that bullshit hearsay evidence from Agent Hosty, the liar extraordinaire.
There were women in that lunchroom between 12:00 and 12:30 ( 3 H 271 ), how many of them said Oswald was there ?
Carolyn Arnold saw Oswald on the FIRST FLOOR between the time she left the building at 12:25 and the President's assassination. ( CD 5, pg. 41 )
And don't give me that bullshit that she never saw the FBI reports because she signed the sworn affdavit saying she read it. ( ibid. )
That's not an attack on her, dum-dum, that's what the evidence says.
The fact that you don't like it is YOUR problem, not mine.
Carolyn explained that she was pregnant and waited until the last moment to leave because she did not want to stand in the sun too long...Arnold was in the habit of getting drinks of water for her pregnancy so she went in to the 2nd Floor Lunch Roombefore going outside and saw Oswald..
...Arnold said she saw Oswald at 12:25 so the ladies probably left at 12:20 or so...No serious researcher would ignore this evidence...
Another thing you grant yourself the privilege of ignoring is Buell Frazier saying a cheese sandwich and apple were seen on the 2nd Floor Lunch Room table after the assassination.
That is the same 2nd Floor Lunch Room that Jack Dougherty told Gil Toff that Oswald was up eating lunch in - something you also grant yourself the right to ignore while scolding people that you only pay attention to evidence...
You're not an honest person Gil because you take advantage of the fact that I am prevented from discussing this amongst my peers by unfair censorship and banning...Your claim that you only pay attention to evidence isn't working...Especially when youdon't mention that your evidence comes from known FBI liars and witnessing alterers...You practice the same childish method as Bart Kamp by calling inconvenient witnesses like Hosty liars...Just the fact Carolyn Arnold never spoke about it again after
On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 1:34:30 PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:knowledge."
On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 11:33:57 AM UTC-4, Brian Doyle wrote:
Arnold also allegedly told Golz that, "she never had read the FBI reports of two interviews with her", a fact that is provably false.
One of those "interviews" was an affidavit.
On page 7 of Commission Document 706, we find a copy of Carolyn Arnold's sworn and signed affidavit of March 18, 1964 which states, "I HAVE READ THE ABOVE STATEMENT consisting of one and one-half pages and it is true and correct to the best of my
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=11104#relPageId=8
Affidavits are not written by police. They are handwritten by the person making the statements ( deponent ) and swearing the statements are true.
In other words, not only did Arnold know what the affidavit contained, SHE WROTE IT.
Carolyn Arnold allegedly made some statements to Earl Golz that were not true.
That's what the evidence says.
On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 12:17:36?PM UTC-4, robert johnson wrote:
WHATEVER EXCUSE YOU PUT FORWARD IT DOESN'T ADD UP ZOMBIE LIAR!!!!
NO ONE READS AND BELIEFS YOUR TROLLING SHIT!!!!!
Doyle will tell you WHAT he found, he just can't tell you WHERE he found it. >He keeps saying something about Wesley Frazier saying something about a chesse sandwich and an apple in the second floor lunchroom.
I can't find that ANYWHERE. Not in the WC documents, the HSCA, the Shaw trial, the ARRB, the Dallas Police files, the FBI files.
NOWHERE.
I keep asking him where he got it from and he just won't tell me.
And he expects me to believe him just because he says so.
He's just like the Lone Nutters. He posts:
No citations
No documents
No testimony
No exhibits
No witness videos
No photographs
No links
You don't need to see the proof. It's true because Brian Doyle says its true. >Just like the Warren Commission did.
WHATEVER EXCUSE YOU PUT FORWARD IT DOESN'T ADD UP ZOMBIE LIAR!!!!
NO ONE READS AND BELIEFS YOUR TROLLING SHIT!!!!!
I'm sure glad I know believers can't be trusted to tell the truth...
they just got through telling everyone that you'd disappeared..
Even though you post more than Huckster does...
Good to see you back from your 'long' absence, Gil!
On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 2:00:53?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
I'm sure glad I know believers can't be trusted to tell the truth...
they just got through telling everyone that you'd disappeared..
Even though you post more than Huckster does...
Good to see you back from your 'long' absence, Gil!
THEY WISH
and BTW Thank You.
We both should take a week off and really bust their balls.
When we're not posting, they have a shit fit.
WAAAAAAAAA.........Where's Ben ?
WAAAAAAAAA.........Where's Gil ?
This is their only form of socialization.
Without anybody to insult, they lose their shit.
Can't have an argument with one person.
On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 12:17:36 PM UTC-4, robert johnson wrote:
Doyle will tell you WHAT he found, he just can't tell you WHERE he found it. He keeps saying something about Wesley Frazier saying something about a chesse sandwich and an apple in the second floor lunchroom.
I can't find that ANYWHERE. Not in the WC documents, the HSCA, the Shaw trial, the ARRB, the Dallas Police files, the FBI files.
NOWHERE.
I keep asking him where he got it from and he just won't tell me.
And he expects me to believe him just because he says so.
On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 1:56:59 PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 12:17:36 PM UTC-4, robert johnson wrote:
Doyle will tell you WHAT he found, he just can't tell you WHERE he found it.The problem here Gil is that you're just under-researched...
He keeps saying something about Wesley Frazier saying something about a chesse sandwich and an apple in the second floor lunchroom.
I can't find that ANYWHERE. Not in the WC documents, the HSCA, the Shaw trial, the ARRB, the Dallas Police files, the FBI files.
NOWHERE.
I keep asking him where he got it from and he just won't tell me.
And he expects me to believe him just because he says so.
At around the 3 minute mark of this Quorum Radio program on Frazier's new book 'Steering Truth' Frazier tells of being told by an un-named employee that there was a partly-eaten cheese sandwich and apple seen on the Lunch Room table where CarolynArnold saw Oswald eating and where Truly and Baker saw Oswald:
https://www.spreaker.com/user/4798726/quorum-radio-iii-buell-wesley-frazier-on
James Gordon and Mark Knight are assholes who think they practice some kind of special high standard but they are too stupid to notice their bombastic website never mentions this critically important evidence...What kind of forum, that pretends to beso serious that it bans people for not living up to their so-called high standard, leaves evidence like that unmentioned?...Truly & Baker saw that lunch on the table just like Carolyn Arnold did when Baker frisked Oswald and they knew he was in there
..Gil is too dumb to realize the powers that be stopped Truly & Baker from speaking about that cheese sandwich and apple...
On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 1:56:59 PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 12:17:36 PM UTC-4, robert johnson wrote:
Doyle will tell you WHAT he found, he just can't tell you WHERE he found it.The problem here Gil is that you're just under-researched...
He keeps saying something about Wesley Frazier saying something about a chesse sandwich and an apple in the second floor lunchroom.
I can't find that ANYWHERE. Not in the WC documents, the HSCA, the Shaw trial, the ARRB, the Dallas Police files, the FBI files.
NOWHERE.
I keep asking him where he got it from and he just won't tell me.
And he expects me to believe him just because he says so.
At around the 3 minute mark of this Quorum Radio program on Frazier's new book 'Steering Truth' Frazier tells of being told by an un-named employee that there was a partly-eaten cheese sandwich and apple seen on the Lunch Room table where CarolynArnold saw Oswald eating and where Truly and Baker saw Oswald:
https://www.spreaker.com/user/4798726/quorum-radio-iii-buell-wesley-frazier-on
James Gordon and Mark Knight are assholes who think they practice some kind of special high standard but they are too stupid to notice their bombastic website never mentions this critically important evidence...What kind of forum, that pretends to beso serious that it bans people for not living up to their so-called high standard, leaves evidence like that unmentioned?...Truly & Baker saw that lunch on the table just like Carolyn Arnold did when Baker frisked Oswald and they knew he was in there
The problem here Gil is that you're just under-researched...
At around the 3 minute mark of this Quorum Radio program on Frazier's new book 'Steering Truth' Frazier tells of being told by an un-named employee that there was a partly-eaten cheese sandwich and apple seen on the Lunch Room table
So, your partly eaten cheese sandwich thing depends entirely upon Frazier saying, "That I don't know. I've been told that there was a partly-eaten cheese sandwich there on the table and a partly-eaten apple. So that
would make one think, 'Was Lee actually there eating his lunch?' Because there's no one to verify that." Not exactly a solid foundation to build upon and to present as fact.
On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 5:24:22 AM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:themselves where they would look like prisoners" and that they "looked pretty much like anyone else". ( 4 H 212 )
So, your partly eaten cheese sandwich thing depends entirely upon Frazier saying, "That I don't know. I've been told that there was a partly-eaten cheese sandwich there on the table and a partly-eaten apple. So thatLet me tell you what Doyle considers the truth:
would make one think, 'Was Lee actually there eating his lunch?' Because there's no one to verify that." Not exactly a solid foundation to build upon and to present as fact.
An unreliable eyewitness ( Arnold ) who told reporter Earl Golz in 1978 that she saw Oswald in the second floor lunchroom.
A sighting, BTW, that is uncorroborated by any of the women who were in the lunchroom between 12:00 and 12:30.
And a sighting that could not have occurred because I've already shown that she left the building from the front stairs. ( see my posts above )
Hearsay from another witness ( Frazier ) who alleges that he was "told" that there was a partly eaten cheese sandwich and a partly eaten apple on the table.
Frazier never saw it first hand. An unidentified person told him about it. So there's no source there.
Hearsay from authorities who had a motive to lie, alleging Oswald admitted having lunch in the second floor lunchroom. One lie I can think of off the top of my head was when Capt. Fritz testified that the fillers in the police lineups, "fixed
The authorities committed perjury time and time again.
So summing up, this is Doyle's "evidence":
1. An uncorroborated sighting from an unreliable witness.
2. An uncorroborated statement from an unknown source.
3. Hearsay evidence from authorities who are proven liars.
And that's what he believes.
On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 6:41:45 AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:themselves where they would look like prisoners" and that they "looked pretty much like anyone else". ( 4 H 212 )
On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 5:24:22 AM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
So, your partly eaten cheese sandwich thing depends entirely upon Frazier saying, "That I don't know. I've been told that there was a partly-eaten cheese sandwich there on the table and a partly-eaten apple. So thatLet me tell you what Doyle considers the truth:
would make one think, 'Was Lee actually there eating his lunch?' Because there's no one to verify that." Not exactly a solid foundation to build upon and to present as fact.
An unreliable eyewitness ( Arnold ) who told reporter Earl Golz in 1978 that she saw Oswald in the second floor lunchroom.
A sighting, BTW, that is uncorroborated by any of the women who were in the lunchroom between 12:00 and 12:30.
And a sighting that could not have occurred because I've already shown that she left the building from the front stairs. ( see my posts above )
Hearsay from another witness ( Frazier ) who alleges that he was "told" that there was a partly eaten cheese sandwich and a partly eaten apple on the table.
Frazier never saw it first hand. An unidentified person told him about it. So there's no source there.
Hearsay from authorities who had a motive to lie, alleging Oswald admitted having lunch in the second floor lunchroom. One lie I can think of off the top of my head was when Capt. Fritz testified that the fillers in the police lineups, "fixed
is sincere, then some psychological condition must be at work. Which doesn't necessarily mean he's wrong about everything. Only Nutters are wrong about everything.The authorities committed perjury time and time again.
So summing up, this is Doyle's "evidence":
1. An uncorroborated sighting from an unreliable witness.
2. An uncorroborated statement from an unknown source.
3. Hearsay evidence from authorities who are proven liars.
And that's what he believes.As many of us sometimes do, I think Doyle has an idea and then makes out to prove it with anything he can latch onto, no matter how insubstantial. He takes it even further by condemning anybody who disagrees, or even fails to take up his cause. If he
As many of us sometimes do, I think Doyle has an idea and then makes out to prove it with anything he can latch onto, no matter how insubstantial. He takes it even further by condemning anybody who disagrees, or > even fails to take up his cause.
Frazier was not under oath when spewing that crap!
FUCK OFF DOYLE!!!
On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 10:52:48 PM UTC-4, Brian Doyle wrote:
Ah, yes, the unnamed employee.
A credible source.
Any corroboration for that ?
Anybody else see that chesse sandwich and apple ?
That's called an ALLEGATION if it's not corroborated.
It's called EVIDENCE if it's corroborated.
If you were a real researcher you'd know that.
On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 5:45:48 AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 10:52:48 PM UTC-4, Brian Doyle wrote:
This is what Gil does each and every time...
He directly challenges your credibility but then when you answer him and beat his challenge he ignores it and leaves the thread to slide out of sight...
If Gil were credible he would call up Frazier and ask him where he heard that...
On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 2:41:28 PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 1:44:29 PM UTC-4, Brian Doyle wrote:
If Gil were credible he would call up Frazier and ask him where he heard that...
He's YOUR source. If YOU were credible YOU'D call him up and ask him. But you're not.More excuses...It is quite clear that you aren't really interested in the evidence you pretend to call for...
I called Frazier in 2018 and he told me to tell the Prayer Man people that if Oswald were right there in front of him on the top platform he would have said something and he was angry when he said it...Frazier said he could not do any interviews beforehis book came out but he told me to get back to him when it came out for an interview...When his book came out I called him and left voicemails but he never responded...I got his son to contact him...The son then gave me a weird answer that was a run-
No credible researcher would give the answer you do Gil...Frazier had to hear that from someone so it is imperative that someone ask him and get him to tell...Gilbride and I think it was Truly which is why Frazier isn't saying...In any case it is proofthat Oswald was in the 2nd Floor Lunch Room during the shots...Something you troll instead of giving a credible answer...The delinquency of the current JFK research community is epic...
On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 1:44:29 PM UTC-4, Brian Doyle wrote:
If Gil were credible he would call up Frazier and ask him where he heard that...
He's YOUR source. If YOU were credible YOU'D call him up and ask him. But you're not.
A decades later anonymous hearsay cheese sandwich 2 minutes after the assassination doesn't prove where Oswald was at the time of the assassination, you shitty researcher.
A decades later anonymous hearsay cheese sandwich 2 minutes after the assassination doesn't prove where Oswald was at the time of the assassination, you shitty researcher.
On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 4:14:38 PM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
A decades later anonymous hearsay cheese sandwich 2 minutes after the assassination doesn't prove where Oswald was at the time of the assassination, you shitty researcher.Doyle critcizes me for believing that lying FBI when it comes to Carolyn Arnold,
then believes the same lying FBI when they say Oswald was in the second floor lunchroom.
Doyle has never explained why the FBI would prefer to have Oswald on the first floor
when his being on the first floor made it impossible for him to be the shooter on the sixth floor.
They had to finagle the timing just to make it possible for him to get down to the second floor lunchroom.
But according to Doyle, they lied about him being on the first floor to hide he fact that he was in the second floor lunchroom eating lunch.
It makes no sense that they would prefer the impossible to hide the possible, but then again, it's Doyle, it's not supposed to make sense.
His evidence ?
An uncorroborated sighting from a witness who never mentioned it for 15 years.
A hearsay account from an unknown source.
And the word of the FBI who apparently lies in their reports but not their interviews.
Believe it's the truth because he says so.
There's an overwhelming amount of evidence that indicates Oswald had lunch and was on the first floor at the time of the shooting.
I'm not saying he's "Prayerman", but I'm convinced he was at least on the first floor.
https://gil-jesus.com/oswald-on-the-first-floor/
On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 5:24:19?PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 4:14:38?PM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote: >> > A decades later anonymous hearsay cheese sandwich 2 minutes after the assassination doesn't prove where Oswald was at the time of the assassination, you shitty researcher.
Doyle critcizes me for believing that lying FBI when it comes to Carolyn Arnold,
then believes the same lying FBI when they say Oswald was in the second floor lunchroom.
Doyle has never explained why the FBI would prefer to have Oswald on the first floor
when his being on the first floor made it impossible for him to be the shooter on the sixth floor.
They had to finagle the timing just to make it possible for him to get down to the second floor lunchroom.
But according to Doyle, they lied about him being on the first floor to hide he fact that he was in the second floor lunchroom eating lunch.
It makes no sense that they would prefer the impossible to hide the possible, but then again, it's Doyle, it's not supposed to make sense.
His evidence ?
An uncorroborated sighting from a witness who never mentioned it for 15 years.
A hearsay account from an unknown source.
And the word of the FBI who apparently lies in their reports but not their interviews.
Believe it's the truth because he says so.
There's an overwhelming amount of evidence that indicates Oswald had lunch and was on the first floor at the time of the shooting.
Why don't you lay that "overwhelming amount of evidence" out for all of us to see.
I'm not saying he's "Prayerman", but I'm convinced he was at least on the first floor.
https://gil-jesus.com/oswald-on-the-first-floor/
You've convinced yourself of lots of things that ain't so. You do this by disregarding real evidence
and relying on unreliable claims, mostly made by the assassin. It helps that you are very
bad at weighing evidence.
On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 5:24:19 PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
There's an overwhelming amount of evidence that indicates Oswald had lunch and was on the first floor at the time of the shooting.Why don't you lay that "overwhelming amount of evidence" out for all of us to see.
On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 4:14:38 PM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
Doyle critcizes me for believing that lying FBI when it comes to Carolyn Arnold,
then believes the same lying FBI when they say Oswald was in the second floor lunchroom.
Doyle has never explained why the FBI would prefer to have Oswald on the first floor
when his being on the first floor made it impossible for him to be the shooter on the sixth floor.
They had to finagle the timing just to make it possible for him to get down to the second floor lunchroom.
But according to Doyle, they lied about him being on the first floor to hide he fact that he was in the second floor lunchroom eating lunch.
It makes no sense that they would prefer the impossible to hide the possible, but then again, it's Doyle, it's not supposed to make sense.
His evidence ?
An uncorroborated sighting from a witness who never mentioned it for 15 years.
A hearsay account from an unknown source.
And the word of the FBI who apparently lies in their reports but not their interviews.
There's an overwhelming amount of evidence that indicates Oswald had lunch and was on the first floor at the time of the shooting.
On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 6:12:24 PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 5:24:19 PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:I posted the link but apparently you refuse to look at it.
There's an overwhelming amount of evidence that indicates Oswald had lunch and was on the first floor at the time of the shooting.Why don't you lay that "overwhelming amount of evidence" out for all of us to see.
It was even part of your response and you didn't understand it ?
Here it is again for the comprehensively challenged, like you:
https://gil-jesus.com/oswald-on-the-first-floor/
On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 4:49:56 AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 6:12:24 PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 5:24:19 PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:I posted the link but apparently you refuse to look at it.
There's an overwhelming amount of evidence that indicates Oswald had lunch and was on the first floor at the time of the shooting.Why don't you lay that "overwhelming amount of evidence" out for all of us to see.
It was even part of your response and you didn't understand it ?
Here it is again for the comprehensively challenged, like you:
https://gil-jesus.com/oswald-on-the-first-floor/I always get a chuckle out of what you consider evidence. You cited several witnesses who
remembered seeing Oswald in the domino room at noon or earlier and you consider that
evidence that Oswald was in the domino room at the time of the shooting. You cite an
unnamed employee who claimed to have seen Oswald at 12:25 near the first floor entrance.
I quote from your website:
"Oswald was seen on the first floor of the TSBD at 12:25pm by an employee as she was exiting the building."
However, just recently in a reply to Brian Doyle in another thread you wrote:
"I don't give a shit what she told Earl Golz or what he interpreted. The evidence says she never
went near the second floor lunchroom."
You don't say who "she" is in either statement but it seems obvious you are talking about
Carolyn Arnold. You tell us you don't give a shit what she told Earl Golz yet the only record of
Arnold saying she saw Oswald near the front entrance at 12:25 is Earl Golz's book. Why are
willing to accept her statement in Golz's book about seeing Oswald at 12:25 when you reject
the part of that same account where she said she had seen him in the second floor lunchroom?
I think they call that "impeaching your own witness".
The rest of your evidence is laughable. You present several statements from employees who
tell us Oswald regularly ate his lunch in the domino room as if that establishes that is where
he was at 12:30 on the day of the assassination.
Face it, Gil. You have no witnesses who said they saw Oswald in the domino room at or near
the time of the assassination. You have witnesses who saw him there much earlier. You have
witnesses who said they he usually at lunch in the domino room. But no one who can give him
an alibi for where he was at 12:30pm on 11/22/1963.
Oh, I forgot. You have Oswald saying he was in the domino room at the time the shots were fired.
I guess that's a good reason to ignore all the forensic evidence and the eyewitness that indicates
he was the one firing the shots from the 6th floor sniper's nest at 12:30.
You missed your calling, Gil. You should have been a detective. Just because there is forensic
evidence that identifies a prime suspect, you would ask that suspect if he committed the crime
and if he said he didn't, you'd cross him off the list. Sherlock Holmes couldn't hold a candle to
you, Gil.
On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 4:49:56?AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 6:12:24?PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 5:24:19?PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:I posted the link but apparently you refuse to look at it.
There's an overwhelming amount of evidence that indicates Oswald had lunch and was on the first floor at the time of the shooting.Why don't you lay that "overwhelming amount of evidence" out for all of us to see.
It was even part of your response and you didn't understand it ?
Here it is again for the comprehensively challenged, like you:
https://gil-jesus.com/oswald-on-the-first-floor/
I always get a chuckle out of what you consider evidence.
On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 11:02:32?AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 4:49:56?AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 6:12:24?PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 5:24:19?PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:I posted the link but apparently you refuse to look at it.
There's an overwhelming amount of evidence that indicates Oswald had lunch and was on the first floor at the time of the shooting.Why don't you lay that "overwhelming amount of evidence" out for all of us to see.
It was even part of your response and you didn't understand it ?
Here it is again for the comprehensively challenged, like you:
https://gil-jesus.com/oswald-on-the-first-floor/
I should have mentioned earlier in this same thread ...
I always get a chuckle out of what you consider evidence.
I always get a chuckle out of what you consider evidence. You cited several witnesses who
remembered seeing Oswald in the domino room at noon or earlier and you consider that
evidence that Oswald was in the domino room at the time of the shooting. You cite an
unnamed employee who claimed to have seen Oswald at 12:25 near the first floor entrance.
I quote from your website:
"Oswald was seen on the first floor of the TSBD at 12:25pm by an employee as she was exiting the building."
However, just recently in a reply to Brian Doyle in another thread you wrote:
"I don't give a shit what she told Earl Golz or what he interpreted. The evidence says she never
went near the second floor lunchroom."
You don't say who "she" is in either statement but it seems obvious you are talking about
Carolyn Arnold. You tell us you don't give a shit what she told Earl Golz yet the only record of
Arnold saying she saw Oswald near the front entrance at 12:25 is Earl Golz's book. Why are
willing to accept her statement in Golz's book about seeing Oswald at 12:25 when you reject
the part of that same account where she said she had seen him in the second floor lunchroom?
On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 11:02:32 AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
I always get a chuckle out of what you consider evidence.You want a really good chuckle ?
Look in the mirror.
On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 11:43:10?AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 11:02:32?AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
I always get a chuckle out of what you consider evidence.You want a really good chuckle ?
Look in the mirror.
I figured you would resort to insults...
On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 11:02:32?AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
I always get a chuckle out of what you consider evidence. You cited several witnesses who
remembered seeing Oswald in the domino room at noon or earlier and you consider that
evidence that Oswald was in the domino room at the time of the shooting. You cite an
unnamed employee who claimed to have seen Oswald at 12:25 near the first floor entrance.
I quote from your website:
"Oswald was seen on the first floor of the TSBD at 12:25pm by an employee as she was exiting the building."
However, just recently in a reply to Brian Doyle in another thread you wrote:
"I don't give a shit what she told Earl Golz or what he interpreted. The evidence says she never
went near the second floor lunchroom."
You don't say who "she" is in either statement but it seems obvious you are talking about
Carolyn Arnold. You tell us you don't give a shit what she told Earl Golz yet the only record of
Arnold saying she saw Oswald near the front entrance at 12:25 is Earl Golz's book. Why are
willing to accept her statement in Golz's book about seeing Oswald at 12:25 when you reject
the part of that same account where she said she had seen him in the second floor lunchroom?
Who said I was accepting her statement from Golz's newspaper article ? ( not his book, idiot )
And yet once again, you prove you don't know the evidence.
You claim, "the only record of Arnold saying she saw Oswald near the front entrance at 12:25 is Earl Golz's book"
Really ?
How about her SWORN AFFIDAVIT dated 3-28-64 that said she left the building at 12:25 ? Ever hear of that ?
https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/carolyn-arnold-2nd-aff.png
And I was accepting the FBI report dated 11-26-63 that said that she saw Oswald on the first floor after she had left the building.
https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/arnold-1st-affi.png
Nobody makes more mistakes in this newsgroup than you do.
Consider yourself spanked once again.
You really must like it.
You cite an
unnamed employee who claimed to have seen Oswald at 12:25 near the first floor entrance.
I quote from your website:
"Oswald was seen on the first floor of the TSBD at 12:25pm by an employee as she was exiting the building."
However, just recently in a reply to Brian Doyle in another thread you wrote:
"I don't give a shit what she told Earl Golz or what he interpreted. The evidence says she never
went near the second floor lunchroom."
You don't say who "she" is in either statement but it seems obvious you are talking about
Carolyn Arnold. You tell us you don't give a shit what she told Earl Golz yet the only record of
Arnold saying she saw Oswald near the front entrance at 12:25 is Earl Golz's book. Why are
willing to accept her statement in Golz's book about seeing Oswald at 12:25 when you reject
the part of that same account where she said she had seen him in the second floor lunchroom?
I'm surprised that Corbutt is still willingly getting spanked by you,
Gil... I rather expected him to follow Steven long ago... and refuse
to debate ANY critic.
Corbutt just keeps being shown to be the moron he is, and he clearly
doesn't care.
On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 12:02:57?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
Says the moron who's frequently using insults...
Does "hypocrisy" ring a bell?
He doesn't have a problem when he's doing it to someone else, but he doesn't like it when someone does it to him.
When he calls me a "dumbfuck", I show him NO RESPECT.
PERIOD.
Says the moron who's frequently using insults...
Does "hypocrisy" ring a bell?
On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 12:05:46?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
I'm surprised that Corbutt is still willingly getting spanked by you,
Gil... I rather expected him to follow Steven long ago... and refuse
to debate ANY critic.
Corbutt just keeps being shown to be the moron he is, and he clearly
doesn't care.
For some reason, these people just can't be embarrassed.
Their stupidity only causes them to FURTHER the theory of conspiracy more than the extreme nuts do.
They come in here looking for a shootout and end up shooting themselves in the foot.
It's amazing.
On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 12:02:57 PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
Says the moron who's frequently using insults...
Does "hypocrisy" ring a bell?He doesn't have a problem when he's doing it to someone else, but he doesn't like it when someone does it to him.
When he calls me a "dumbfuck", I show him NO RESPECT.
PERIOD.
On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 11:02:32 AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
You cite an
unnamed employee who claimed to have seen Oswald at 12:25 near the first floor entrance.
I quote from your website:
"Oswald was seen on the first floor of the TSBD at 12:25pm by an employee as she was exiting the building."
However, just recently in a reply to Brian Doyle in another thread you wrote:
"I don't give a shit what she told Earl Golz or what he interpreted. The evidence says she never
went near the second floor lunchroom."
You don't say who "she" is in either statement but it seems obvious you are talking aboutWho said I was accepting her statement from Golz's newspaper article ? ( not his book, idiot )
Carolyn Arnold. You tell us you don't give a shit what she told Earl Golz yet the only record of
Arnold saying she saw Oswald near the front entrance at 12:25 is Earl Golz's book. Why are
willing to accept her statement in Golz's book about seeing Oswald at 12:25 when you reject
the part of that same account where she said she had seen him in the second floor lunchroom?
And yet once again, you prove you don't know the evidence.
You claim, "the only record of Arnold saying she saw Oswald near the front entrance at 12:25 is Earl Golz's book"
Really ?
How about her SWORN AFFIDAVIT dated 3-18-64 that said she left the building at 12:25 ? Ever hear of that ?
https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/carolyn-arnold-2nd-aff.png
Or the FBI report dated 11-26-63 that said that she saw Oswald on the first floor after she had left the building.
https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/arnold-1st-affi.png
I never accepted anything from Golz's article. You've lied again.
Nobody lies in this newsgroup more than you do.
Consider yourself spanked once again.
You really must like it.
On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 12:17:47?PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 12:02:57?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
Says the moron who's frequently using insults...
Does "hypocrisy" ring a bell?
He doesn't have a problem when he's doing it to someone else, but he doesn't like it when someone does it to him.
When he calls me a "dumbfuck", I show him NO RESPECT.
PERIOD.
I made a point-by-point rebuttal ...
On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 12:03:48?PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 11:02:32?AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
You cite anWho said I was accepting her statement from Golz's newspaper article ? ( not his book, idiot )
unnamed employee who claimed to have seen Oswald at 12:25 near the first floor entrance.
I quote from your website:
"Oswald was seen on the first floor of the TSBD at 12:25pm by an employee as she was exiting the building."
However, just recently in a reply to Brian Doyle in another thread you wrote:
"I don't give a shit what she told Earl Golz or what he interpreted. The evidence says she never
went near the second floor lunchroom."
You don't say who "she" is in either statement but it seems obvious you are talking about
Carolyn Arnold. You tell us you don't give a shit what she told Earl Golz yet the only record of
Arnold saying she saw Oswald near the front entrance at 12:25 is Earl Golz's book. Why are
willing to accept her statement in Golz's book about seeing Oswald at 12:25 when you reject
the part of that same account where she said she had seen him in the second floor lunchroom?
And yet once again, you prove you don't know the evidence.
Do you think Golz's article is evidence?
You claim, "the only record of Arnold saying she saw Oswald near the front entrance at 12:25 is Earl Golz's book"
Really ?
How about her SWORN AFFIDAVIT dated 3-18-64 that said she left the building at 12:25 ? Ever hear of that ?
https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/carolyn-arnold-2nd-aff.png
Now point out...
Or the FBI report dated 11-26-63 that said that she saw Oswald on the first floor after she had left the building.
https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/arnold-1st-affi.png
That report...
I never accepted anything from Golz's article. You've lied again.
So you...
Nobody lies in this newsgroup more than you do.
You...
Consider yourself spanked once again.
You really must like it.
On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 11:02:32 AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 12:03:48 PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 11:02:32 AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:The usual trolls come in and help Gil avoid answering my evidence...
On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 3:31:21 PM UTC-4, Brian Doyle wrote:
On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 12:03:48 PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:You're a shitty researcher.
On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 11:02:32 AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:The usual trolls come in and help Gil avoid answering my evidence...
He fits right in with the other CTs here.
On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 8:57:50 AM UTC-4, robert johnson wrote:
https://deeppoliticsforum.com/fora/forum-3.html
Whoever the anonymous moderator is who is giving me 1 star reviews he is breaking the previous Deep Politics board rules of no abuse of any member by the moderation...Those previous rules were written in order to correct the moderation abuses beingdone by the Education Forum - but it appears the present moderation at DPF has forgotten their own board's original purpose...
I see the rules have been changed at DPF...In the 7 years that I was banned someone went in and changed the previous rules deleting those rules that protected members and kept the moderation honest...The no abuse of members rule has been deleted (giving 1 star to every post is abuse)...The right to have complaints fielded seriously and honestly has been deleted...The rule that said ordinary members were to enjoy the same respect and consideration as the moderators and administration has been
On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 12:03:48 PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 3:31:21 PM UTC-4, Brian Doyle wrote:
" Gil is using unconvincing calls for strict evidence to ignore that Stanton,
Arnold,
Dougherty,
Truly,
Baker,
Hosty, and
Frazier all put Oswald in the 2nd Floor Lunch Room during the assassination...
On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 10:25:36 AM UTC-4, Brian Doyle wrote:
" Gil is using unconvincing calls for strict evidence to ignore that Stanton,Bullshit.
Arnold,
Dougherty,
Truly,
Baker,
Hosty, and
Frazier all put Oswald in the 2nd Floor Lunch Room during the assassination...
Arnold put Oswald on the first floor. https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/arnold-1st-affi.png
On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 2:13:41 PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 10:25:36 AM UTC-4, Brian Doyle wrote:
" Gil is using unconvincing calls for strict evidence to ignore that Stanton,Bullshit.
Arnold,
Dougherty,
Truly,
Baker,
Hosty, and
Frazier all put Oswald in the 2nd Floor Lunch Room during the assassination...
Arnold put Oswald on the first floor. https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/arnold-1st-affi.pngThis is silly and childish...
On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 5:57:59?PM UTC-4, Brian Doyle wrote:answer.
On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 2:13:41?PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 10:25:36?AM UTC-4, Brian Doyle wrote:
" Gil is using unconvincing calls for strict evidence to ignore thatBullshit.
Stanton,
Arnold,
Dougherty,
Truly,
Baker,
Hosty, and
Frazier all put Oswald in the 2nd Floor Lunch Room during the assassination...
Arnold put Oswald on the first floor.This is silly and childish...
https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/arnold-1st-affi.png
The only one silly and childish is you. Not only are you not a researcher, your lack of knowledge of the terminology is obvious.
When a witness "puts" somebody in a location, that means they PHYSICALLY SAW the person there.
None of the witness you listed PHYSICALLY SAW Oswald in the second floor lunchroom ( as you say ) "during the assassination".
The only witness to say that she saw Oswald in the second floor lunchroom was Arnold and she told two different stories.
The first story she told to the FBI that she saw Oswald on the FIRST floor while she was standing outside the building. ( CD 5, pg. 41 )
This account was suppressed and never made it into the 26 volumes.
The second was to reporter Earl Golz that she saw Oswald in the second floor lunchroom as she was leaving the building. ( Dallas Morning News, 9/26/78 )
That second story came 15 YEARS after it happened.
Among the bizarre statements she made to Golz was that she never read the statements she made to the FBI.
That was a lie.
On March 18, 1964 she wrote out a sworn affidavit and never mentioned that she saw Oswald in the second floor lunchroom.
She wrote it out and signed it. ( CD 706, pg. 7 )
Faced with the conflicting accounts, she clammed up and never spoke of it again.
That's what liars do when their lies are exposed.
When a witness tells different stories, it calls into question his/her credibility. And any researcher worth his salt would recognize that.
IMO, Arnold's allegation that she saw Oswald in the second floor lunchroom was not and is not credible.
Her statement that she saw him on the first floor, however, is credible because it is supported by other facts.
One of those is that OSWALD ALWAYS ATE HIS LUNCH ON THE FIRST FLOOR. That fact is stated in the testimony of Charles Givens ( 6 H 354 ) and corroborated in the testimony of James Jarman. ( 3 H 200 )
Another is Capt. Fritz's report that Oswald told him he was eating lunch on the FIRST FLOOR ( CE 2003 / 24 H 265 )
and corroborated by the Hosty/Bookhout report that said that Oswald claimed he, "ate his lunch on the first floor in the lunchroom". ( Oswald 201 file, Vol. 3., Folder 9A, Part 1, pgs. 100-101 )
You claim the FBI report that Arnold said she saw Oswald on the first floor was a lie, made to hide the fact that Oswald was in the second floor lunchroom.
But you fail to provide any evidence for that argument and when I asked you why the FBI would prefer Oswald on the FIRST floor instead of the second ( which would support the sighting of Baker and Truly minutes after the shooting ) you can't give me an
Your problem is that you don't know the difference between an allegation and actual evidence.unknown fellow employee. While I find it hard to believe that Frazier wouldn't know the identity of the fellow employee who told him that, without a source it still remains an allegation, not evidence.
Her account to Golz is called an ALLEGATION because it is not corroborated by any witness or physical evidence.
Her account of Oswald being on the FIRST floor is EVIDENCE because it IS corroborated.
You have a bad habit of taking uncorroborated allegations ( like Arnold's ), accepting them as fact, presenting them as evidence, then attacking anyone who disagrees with you.
Another ALLEGATION you like to use is the Wesley Frazier was told by an unknown person that there was a half eaten chesse sandwich and apple in the second floor lunchroom. First you said Frazier saw it, then you said that it was told to Frazier by some
And when presented with evidence to the contrary, like Jack Dougherty's testimony that he never saw Oswald after 11am ( 6 H 378 ), you ignore it and go on your merry way to just repeat that he was "adamant" that Oswald ate lunch in the second floorlunchroom, something he could not ( by his own testimony ) have known as fact. You use the same tactics the lone nutters use. If you don't like the truth, ignore it, make up excuses, keep repeating the lie and attack the messenger.
No sir, YOU are the asshole and that's why you were booted out of the EF.
On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 5:57:59 PM UTC-4, Brian Doyle wrote:
On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 2:13:41 PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
The first story she told to the FBI that she saw Oswald on the FIRST floor while she was standing outside the building. ( CD 5, pg. 41 )
This account was suppressed and never made it into the 26 volumes.
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