• What is Gil's end game?

    From John Corbett@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jul 15 15:09:19 2023
    One has to wonder what Gil hopes to achieve since he insists a person must
    be convicted in a court of law or be presumed innocent. That is true for living people, but unless Gil's conspirators were young when the assassination occurred they are likely all dead and can never be brought to trial. Anyone
    40 years old in 1963 is now 100 years old.

    Since Gil has chosen to throw out pretty much all of the evidence, even if miraculously some of the conspirators are still alive, just how does he think they are going to be brought to justice. Aren't these people going to be presumed innocent until proven guilty? Just how does Gil propose to prove
    them to be guilty after cancelling all evidence?

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  • From BT George@21:1/5 to John Corbett on Tue Jul 18 11:04:27 2023
    On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 5:09:20 PM UTC-5, John Corbett wrote:
    One has to wonder what Gil hopes to achieve since he insists a person must be convicted in a court of law or be presumed innocent. That is true for living
    people, but unless Gil's conspirators were young when the assassination occurred they are likely all dead and can never be brought to trial. Anyone 40 years old in 1963 is now 100 years old.

    Since Gil has chosen to throw out pretty much all of the evidence, even if miraculously some of the conspirators are still alive, just how does he think
    they are going to be brought to justice. Aren't these people going to be presumed innocent until proven guilty? Just how does Gil propose to prove them to be guilty after cancelling all evidence?

    It seems that Gil is just like pretty much all CT's. More interested in proving the WC false, or grossly mistaken, than actually determining what *did* happen if not that on 11-22-63. This shows a complete lack of concern for *TRUTH* or *JUSTICE* which
    are two of the things I hold most dear, and without which, no society will ever be good or sane.

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  • From John Corbett@21:1/5 to BT George on Tue Jul 18 11:18:28 2023
    On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 2:04:29 PM UTC-4, BT George wrote:
    On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 5:09:20 PM UTC-5, John Corbett wrote:
    One has to wonder what Gil hopes to achieve since he insists a person must be convicted in a court of law or be presumed innocent. That is true for living
    people, but unless Gil's conspirators were young when the assassination occurred they are likely all dead and can never be brought to trial. Anyone
    40 years old in 1963 is now 100 years old.

    Since Gil has chosen to throw out pretty much all of the evidence, even if miraculously some of the conspirators are still alive, just how does he think
    they are going to be brought to justice. Aren't these people going to be presumed innocent until proven guilty? Just how does Gil propose to prove them to be guilty after cancelling all evidence?
    It seems that Gil is just like pretty much all CT's. More interested in proving the WC false, or grossly mistaken, than actually determining what *did* happen if not that on 11-22-63. This shows a complete lack of concern for *TRUTH* or *JUSTICE* which
    are two of the things I hold most dear, and without which, no society will ever be good or sane.

    I hadn't thought of it that way, but it certainly makes sense. The entire hobby for as long as I can
    remember has been about trying (in vain) to disprove the WCR. They don't want to tell us how it
    did happen. They only want to tell us what they believe didn't happen. Which leads us back to
    the original question. What is their end game? Do they think the history books are going to be
    rewritten to say it's a mystery who killed JFK? Do any of them think there is going to be a new
    investigation and if so, what would they have to work with that the CTs haven't already declared
    to be "inadmissible"? Do any of them seriously think anyone other than Oswald is going to be
    identified as a perpetrator? Only they can answer that and I doubt that they will.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to geowright1963@gmail.com on Wed Jul 19 07:03:38 2023
    On Sat, 15 Jul 2023 15:09:19 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett <geowright1963@gmail.com> wrote:

    One has to wonder what Gil hopes to achieve


    To point out the truth.


    since he insists a person must
    be convicted in a court of law or be presumed innocent.


    That *IS* the American justice system.


    That is true for living
    people, but unless Gil's conspirators were young when the assassination >occurred they are likely all dead and can never be brought to trial. Anyone >40 years old in 1963 is now 100 years old.

    Since Gil has chosen to throw out pretty much all of the evidence,


    Actually... YOU did that.

    You refuse, time and time again, to cite any evidence.

    How can you "throw out" that which you refuse to introduce?


    The rest of your logical fallacy deleted...

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  • From Greg Parker@21:1/5 to John Corbett on Wed Jul 19 07:26:38 2023
    On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 8:09:20 AM UTC+10, John Corbett wrote:
    One has to wonder what Gil hopes to achieve since he insists a person must be convicted in a court of law or be presumed innocent. That is true for living
    people, but unless Gil's conspirators were young when the assassination occurred they are likely all dead and can never be brought to trial. Anyone 40 years old in 1963 is now 100 years old.

    One wonders why you were hiding behind the door when they were handing out logic.

    What you have said here is that because no one else can be brought to justice, Oswald is it. Doesn't matter if he is innocent, someone has to bear the blame.

    You might want to rethink that.

    Since Gil has chosen to throw out pretty much all of the evidence, even if miraculously some of the conspirators are still alive, just how does he think
    they are going to be brought to justice.

    Gil didn't throw out the evidence. The cops threw it out with their mishandling of it. Rules of evidence is serious shit. Without those rules. you could be the next Oswald.

    Aren't these people going to be
    presumed innocent until proven guilty?

    No one has said otherwise, Dopey. People charged with a crime are presumed innocent under law until if and when convicted.

    Just how does Gil propose to prove
    them to be guilty after cancelling all evidence?

    The evidence you refer to is inadmissable against Oswald. That does not rule it it out as evidence against anyone else. It does mean a new investigation as to how evidence against an innocent man came to be found.

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  • From John Corbett@21:1/5 to Greg Parker on Wed Jul 19 08:34:36 2023
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 10:26:40 AM UTC-4, Greg Parker wrote:
    On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 8:09:20 AM UTC+10, John Corbett wrote:
    One has to wonder what Gil hopes to achieve since he insists a person must be convicted in a court of law or be presumed innocent. That is true for living
    people, but unless Gil's conspirators were young when the assassination occurred they are likely all dead and can never be brought to trial. Anyone
    40 years old in 1963 is now 100 years old.
    One wonders why you were hiding behind the door when they were handing out logic.

    What you have said here is that because no one else can be brought to justice, Oswald is it.

    Oswald is it because he did it.

    Doesn't matter if he is innocent, someone has to bear the blame.

    Oswald is not innocent. We have conclusive evidence of that.

    You might want to rethink that.

    Not given the available evidence. It's conclusive. In order to believe Oswald is innocent, one has
    to convince themselves the evidence is all fraudulent. Why would someone engage in that
    practice instead of just following the evidence to its one and only logical conclusion.

    Since Gil has chosen to throw out pretty much all of the evidence, even if miraculously some of the conspirators are still alive, just how does he think
    they are going to be brought to justice.
    Gil didn't throw out the evidence. The cops threw it out with their mishandling of it. Rules of evidence is serious shit. Without those rules. you could be the next Oswald.

    Rules of evidence apply at a trial and Gil has vastly overstated those rules in declaring so much
    evidence invalid. We have the luxury of looking at the evidence and weighing it for probative
    value without worrying about whether it would have been allowed at trial.

    Aren't these people going to be
    presumed innocent until proven guilty?

    No one has said otherwise, Dopey. People charged with a crime are presumed innocent under law until if and when convicted.

    Oswald was presumed innocent until Ruby killed him. At that point, it was no longer necessary
    to grant him a presumption of innocence. We could at that point objectively look at the
    evidence against him and draw intelligent conclusions about what that evidence indicated. The
    full extent of the evidence wasn't known to the public until the release of the WCR in 1964. At
    that point, it became rather silly to doubt Oswald's guilt given the overwhelming amount of
    evidence against him.

    Just how does Gil propose to prove
    them to be guilty after cancelling all evidence?
    The evidence you refer to is inadmissable against Oswald.

    We are free to consider all of the evidence without Gil's our your silly ideas about what would or
    would not have been admissible. It is all admissible now.

    That does not rule it it out as evidence against anyone else. It does mean a new investigation as to how evidence against an innocent man came to be found.

    Just what would you expect a new investigation to uncover that we don't already know about?

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  • From Gil Jesus@21:1/5 to John Corbett on Wed Jul 19 08:56:27 2023
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 11:34:38 AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    Oswald was presumed innocent until Ruby killed him. At that point, it was no longer necessary
    to grant him a presumption of innocence.

    ROFLMAO
    Another stupid comment.
    So if a person accused of a crime is in jail awaiting his trial and another inmate kills him, we can assume he was guilty ?
    Fucking ridiculous.
    It's just one stupid post after the next with you.
    In the real world there's a big difference between a defendant who is accused and one who is convicted.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to gjjmail1202@gmail.com on Wed Jul 19 09:12:38 2023
    On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 08:56:27 -0700 (PDT), Gil Jesus
    <gjjmail1202@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 11:34:38?AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    Oswald was presumed innocent until Ruby killed him. At that point, it was no longer necessary
    to grant him a presumption of innocence.

    ROFLMAO
    Another stupid comment.
    So if a person accused of a crime is in jail awaiting his trial and another inmate kills him, we can assume he was guilty ?
    Fucking ridiculous.
    It's just one stupid post after the next with you.
    In the real world there's a big difference between a defendant who is accused and one who is convicted.


    Notice that Corbutt **NEVER** cites for his wacky opinions...

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to geowright1963@gmail.com on Wed Jul 19 09:11:41 2023
    On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 08:34:36 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett <geowright1963@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 10:26:40?AM UTC-4, Greg Parker wrote:
    On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 8:09:20?AM UTC+10, John Corbett wrote:
    One has to wonder what Gil hopes to achieve since he insists a person must >>> be convicted in a court of law or be presumed innocent. That is true for living
    people, but unless Gil's conspirators were young when the assassination
    occurred they are likely all dead and can never be brought to trial. Anyone >>> 40 years old in 1963 is now 100 years old.
    One wonders why you were hiding behind the door when they were handing out logic.

    What you have said here is that because no one else can be brought to justice, Oswald is it.


    Logical fallacy deleted.


    Doesn't matter if he is innocent, someone has to bear the blame.


    Logical fallacy deleted.


    You might want to rethink that.

    Not given the available evidence. It's conclusive.


    Yet you're TERRIFIED of citing it. What can lurkers conclude from
    that fact?


    In order to believe Oswald is innocent, one has
    to convince themselves the evidence is all fraudulent.


    Some of it PROVABLY is. Was the paper sack identical to the paper in
    the TSBD or not?

    https://maryferrell.org/pages/Essay_-_Proof_the_FBI_Changed_Documents_and_Vincent_Bugliosi_Was_Wrong.html


    Why would someone engage in that
    practice instead of just following the evidence to its one and only logical conclusion.


    Because it was a coverup. You *DO* understand the basic thesis of a
    coverup, right?


    Since Gil has chosen to throw out pretty much all of the evidence, even if >>> miraculously some of the conspirators are still alive, just how does he think
    they are going to be brought to justice.

    Gil didn't throw out the evidence. The cops threw it out with their mishandling of it. Rules of evidence is serious shit. Without those rules. you could be the next Oswald.

    Rules of evidence apply at a trial and Gil has vastly overstated those rules in declaring so much
    evidence invalid. We have the luxury of looking at the evidence and weighing it for probative
    value without worrying about whether it would have been allowed at trial.


    You can't even *define* evidence.


    Aren't these people going to be
    presumed innocent until proven guilty?

    No one has said otherwise, Dopey. People charged with a crime are presumed innocent under law until if and when convicted.

    Oswald was presumed innocent until Ruby killed him.


    This is BEYOND wacky!

    We can clear up all the unsolved crimes... just saddle anyone who died
    with the crimes.


    At that point, it was no longer necessary
    to grant him a presumption of innocence.


    Again... simply wacky!


    We could at that point objectively look at the
    evidence against him and draw intelligent conclusions about what that evidence indicated. The
    full extent of the evidence wasn't known to the public until the release of the WCR in 1964. At
    that point, it became rather silly to doubt Oswald's guilt given the overwhelming amount of
    evidence against him.


    And since you ABSOLUTELY REFUSE to cite any of this evidence - what
    can lurkers presume? As Chickenshit points out, it's a lie. You
    refuse to support your empty claim with citations, so it's clearly a
    lie.


    Just how does Gil propose to prove
    them to be guilty after cancelling all evidence?
    The evidence you refer to is inadmissable against Oswald.

    We are free to consider all of the evidence...


    No you aren't. You ABSOLUTELY REFUSE to consider the NAA evidence,
    for example.

    You also refuse to consider the medical evidence...


    It is all admissible now.


    Cite for that claim.

    But you won't.


    That does not rule it it out as evidence against anyone else. It does mean a new investigation as to how evidence against an innocent man came to be found.

    Just what would you expect a new investigation to uncover that we don't already know about?


    You could *start* with the facts of evidence intentionally
    destroyed... and who did it. Such as Oswald's military intelligence
    files, or the Secret Service files on previous motorcade security.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to geowright1963@gmail.com on Wed Jul 19 09:52:51 2023
    On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 09:30:00 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett <geowright1963@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 11:56:30?AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 11:34:38?AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    Oswald was presumed innocent until Ruby killed him. At that point, it was no longer necessary
    to grant him a presumption of innocence.
    ROFLMAO
    Another stupid comment.
    So if a person accused of a crime is in jail awaiting his trial and another inmate kills him, we can assume he was guilty ?

    We shouldn't assume anything.


    But this is what *YOU* asserted. Gil merely pointed out how stupid
    that is.


    We should make a judgement based on the evidence


    We do, you provably don't.


    Logical fallacy deleted.


    Fucking ridiculous.
    It's just one stupid post after the next with you.


    Logical fallacy deleted.


    In the real world there's a big difference between a defendant who is accused and one who is convicted.

    Our criminal justice system doesn't convict dead people.


    But *YOU* do.


    I deleted the rest of your logical fallacy.

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  • From John Corbett@21:1/5 to Gil Jesus on Wed Jul 19 09:30:00 2023
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 11:56:30 AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 11:34:38 AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    Oswald was presumed innocent until Ruby killed him. At that point, it was no longer necessary
    to grant him a presumption of innocence.
    ROFLMAO
    Another stupid comment.
    So if a person accused of a crime is in jail awaiting his trial and another inmate kills him, we can assume he was guilty ?

    We shouldn't assume anything. We should make a judgement based on the evidence and not
    invent silly excuses to declare evidence inadmissible because it points to a conclusion we
    don't want to believe.

    Fucking ridiculous.
    It's just one stupid post after the next with you.

    Stupid posts fall under your area of expertise.

    In the real world there's a big difference between a defendant who is accused and one who is convicted.

    Our criminal justice system doesn't convict dead people. The only question we should concern
    ourselves with after Ruby killed Oswald is whether Oswald actually committed the crimes he
    had been charged with prior to his death. Any objective analysis of the evidence will conclude
    that he had. I have no more problem with concluding Oswald was a presidential assassin than
    I do in concluding Booth was a presidential assassin. We have far more forensic evidence that
    Oswald shot Kennedy than we do that Booth shot Lincoln and we have more witnesses (1) who
    saw Oswald fire the shot that killed Kennedy than we do witnesses who saw Booth fire the shot
    that killed Lincoln.

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  • From Chuck Schuyler@21:1/5 to BT George on Wed Jul 19 10:05:06 2023
    On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 1:04:29 PM UTC-5, BT George wrote:
    On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 5:09:20 PM UTC-5, John Corbett wrote:
    One has to wonder what Gil hopes to achieve since he insists a person must be convicted in a court of law or be presumed innocent. That is true for living
    people, but unless Gil's conspirators were young when the assassination occurred they are likely all dead and can never be brought to trial. Anyone
    40 years old in 1963 is now 100 years old.

    Since Gil has chosen to throw out pretty much all of the evidence, even if miraculously some of the conspirators are still alive, just how does he think
    they are going to be brought to justice. Aren't these people going to be presumed innocent until proven guilty? Just how does Gil propose to prove them to be guilty after cancelling all evidence?
    It seems that Gil is just like pretty much all CT's. More interested in proving the WC false, or grossly mistaken, than actually determining what *did* happen if not that on 11-22-63. This shows a complete lack of concern for *TRUTH* or *JUSTICE* which
    are two of the things I hold most dear, and without which, no society will ever be good or sane.

    What Gil and Ben and the other card-carrying members of Team Oswald want is proxy Warren Commission members (and those of us who participate here and believe Oswald killed JFK and JDT with no help are suitable replacements for the long departed WC staff
    attorneys) so they can have their speculative hobby point nit-picks answered.

    The answers are provided, but never to their satisfaction.

    What Team Oswald should do--and they never will do this because it will kill their hobby--is PROVIDE THEIR OWN ANSWERS to the hobby point nit-picks they ask us to answer. We can then compare their "proof" of what they're alleging with the Warren
    Commission findings and the tests, interviews, forensics they used to reach their conclusion that Oswald--to the best as could be determined--killed JFK and JDT, with no known help.

    They will never provide any answers. Ever.

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  • From Chuck Schuyler@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Wed Jul 19 10:07:30 2023
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 11:52:54 AM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 09:30:00 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett
    <geowri...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 11:56:30?AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 11:34:38?AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    Oswald was presumed innocent until Ruby killed him. At that point, it was no longer necessary
    to grant him a presumption of innocence.
    ROFLMAO
    Another stupid comment.
    So if a person accused of a crime is in jail awaiting his trial and another inmate kills him, we can assume he was guilty ?

    We shouldn't assume anything.
    But this is what *YOU* asserted. Gil merely pointed out how stupid
    that is.
    We should make a judgement based on the evidence
    We do, you provably don't.


    Logical fallacy deleted.
    Fucking ridiculous.
    It's just one stupid post after the next with you.
    Logical fallacy deleted.
    In the real world there's a big difference between a defendant who is accused and one who is convicted.

    Our criminal justice system doesn't convict dead people.
    But *YOU* do.


    I deleted the rest of your logical fallacy.

    Who killed JFK, Ben? Who killed Tippit? It certainly isn't revealed in your multi-segment Magnum Opus.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to chuckschuyler123@gmail.com on Wed Jul 19 10:21:11 2023
    On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 10:05:06 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler <chuckschuyler123@gmail.com> wrote:

    What Gil and Ben and the other card-carrying members of Team Oswald


    Can you name this logical fallacy?


    want is proxy Warren Commission members (and those of us who
    participate here and believe Oswald killed JFK and JDT with no help
    are suitable replacements for the long departed WC staff attorneys) so
    they can have their speculative hobby point nit-picks answered.

    The answers are provided, but never to their satisfaction.


    No coward, the answers are **NOT** provided. You refuse to provide
    them, cannot cite where you have in the past, then lie about it.

    Why was Chaney never questioned by the WC?


    What Team Oswald should do--and they never will do this because it
    will kill their hobby--is PROVIDE THEIR OWN ANSWERS to the hobby point nit-picks they ask us to answer.


    I can answer **ANY** question I've ever asked. Cite any question from
    me, and I'll be happy to prove you a liar.

    We can even post *YOUR* answer next to mine, and put it to a poll to
    find out which one is more credible.

    But you'll run, of course...

    The purpose of asking questions is *NOT* because we don't know the
    answer, it's to PROVE BEYOND ALL DOUBT that *YOU* can't give a non-conspiratorial explanation for the question.


    We can then compare their "proof" of what they're alleging with the
    Warren Commission findings and the tests, interviews, forensics they
    used to reach their conclusion that Oswald--to the best as could be determined--killed JFK and JDT, with no known help.


    No you can't. You refuse... REPEATEDLY, to cite this alleged
    evidence.


    They will never provide any answers. Ever.


    And you're a damned liar who's TERRIFIED of proving that.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to chuckschuyler123@gmail.com on Wed Jul 19 10:24:17 2023
    On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 10:07:30 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler <chuckschuyler123@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 11:52:54?AM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 09:30:00 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett
    <geowri...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 11:56:30?AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 11:34:38?AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote: >>>>> Oswald was presumed innocent until Ruby killed him. At that point, it was no longer necessary
    to grant him a presumption of innocence.
    ROFLMAO
    Another stupid comment.
    So if a person accused of a crime is in jail awaiting his trial and another inmate kills him, we can assume he was guilty ?

    We shouldn't assume anything.
    But this is what *YOU* asserted. Gil merely pointed out how stupid
    that is.
    We should make a judgement based on the evidence
    We do, you provably don't.


    Logical fallacy deleted.
    Fucking ridiculous.
    It's just one stupid post after the next with you.
    Logical fallacy deleted.
    In the real world there's a big difference between a defendant who is accused and one who is convicted.

    Our criminal justice system doesn't convict dead people.
    But *YOU* do.


    I deleted the rest of your logical fallacy.

    Who killed JFK, Ben?


    Who killed Mary Ann Nichols?

    Unlike you, I've previously answered *YOUR* question (senility getting
    to you?), but you've never answered mine.

    Quite the coward, aren't you Chuckles?

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  • From Bud@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Wed Jul 19 10:49:28 2023
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 10:05:58 AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Tue, 18 Jul 2023 11:18:28 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett
    <geowri...@gmail.com> wrote:

    I hadn't thought of it that way, but it certainly makes sense. The entire hobby for as long as I can
    remember has been about trying (in vain) to disprove the WCR.
    Not needed. Most of America already agrees with us.

    That something fishy happened? You have to do better than that.

    They don't want to tell us how it did happen.
    And no matter how many times we cite for this, you simply forget and
    lie about it again.

    This has been well covered in the five volume set by Douglas Horne.'
    They only want to tell us what they believe didn't happen.
    This is PRECISELY what you're doing.
    Which leads us back to
    the original question. What is their end game?
    Prove that any WCR believer is either ignorant or a liar. (and perhaps both.)
    Do they think the history books are going to be
    rewritten to say it's a mystery who killed JFK?
    Why bother to molest your own mother? We critics are quite happy to
    answer any question you can raise.
    Do any of them think there is going to be a new
    investigation...


    Why?
    and if so, what would they have to work with that the CTs haven't already declared
    to be "inadmissible"?
    The existing evidence is just fine.
    Do any of them seriously think anyone other than Oswald is going to be >identified as a perpetrator?
    Some have identified themselves. See "Someone Would Have Talked."
    Only they can answer that and I doubt that they will.
    Keep lying... just don't expect anyone to believe you...

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  • From Bud@21:1/5 to John Corbett on Wed Jul 19 10:52:16 2023
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 11:34:38 AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 10:26:40 AM UTC-4, Greg Parker wrote:
    On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 8:09:20 AM UTC+10, John Corbett wrote:
    One has to wonder what Gil hopes to achieve since he insists a person must
    be convicted in a court of law or be presumed innocent. That is true for living
    people, but unless Gil's conspirators were young when the assassination occurred they are likely all dead and can never be brought to trial. Anyone
    40 years old in 1963 is now 100 years old.
    One wonders why you were hiding behind the door when they were handing out logic.

    What you have said here is that because no one else can be brought to justice, Oswald is it.
    Oswald is it because he did it.
    Doesn't matter if he is innocent, someone has to bear the blame.
    Oswald is not innocent. We have conclusive evidence of that.

    You might want to rethink that.
    Not given the available evidence. It's conclusive. In order to believe Oswald is innocent, one has
    to convince themselves the evidence is all fraudulent. Why would someone engage in that
    practice instead of just following the evidence to its one and only logical conclusion.
    Since Gil has chosen to throw out pretty much all of the evidence, even if
    miraculously some of the conspirators are still alive, just how does he think
    they are going to be brought to justice.
    Gil didn't throw out the evidence. The cops threw it out with their mishandling of it. Rules of evidence is serious shit. Without those rules. you could be the next Oswald.
    Rules of evidence apply at a trial and Gil has vastly overstated those rules in declaring so much
    evidence invalid. We have the luxury of looking at the evidence and weighing it for probative
    value without worrying about whether it would have been allowed at trial.
    Aren't these people going to be
    presumed innocent until proven guilty?

    No one has said otherwise, Dopey. People charged with a crime are presumed innocent under law until if and when convicted.
    Oswald was presumed innocent until Ruby killed him.

    Ruby was presumed innocent when he died.

    That doesn`t prevent someone from determining he killed Oswald.

    At that point, it was no longer necessary
    to grant him a presumption of innocence. We could at that point objectively look at the
    evidence against him and draw intelligent conclusions about what that evidence indicated. The
    full extent of the evidence wasn't known to the public until the release of the WCR in 1964. At
    that point, it became rather silly to doubt Oswald's guilt given the overwhelming amount of
    evidence against him.
    Just how does Gil propose to prove
    them to be guilty after cancelling all evidence?
    The evidence you refer to is inadmissable against Oswald.
    We are free to consider all of the evidence without Gil's our your silly ideas about what would or
    would not have been admissible. It is all admissible now.
    That does not rule it it out as evidence against anyone else. It does mean a new investigation as to how evidence against an innocent man came to be found.
    Just what would you expect a new investigation to uncover that we don't already know about?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From John Corbett@21:1/5 to Chuck Schuyler on Wed Jul 19 11:04:11 2023
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 1:05:08 PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 1:04:29 PM UTC-5, BT George wrote:
    On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 5:09:20 PM UTC-5, John Corbett wrote:
    One has to wonder what Gil hopes to achieve since he insists a person must
    be convicted in a court of law or be presumed innocent. That is true for living
    people, but unless Gil's conspirators were young when the assassination occurred they are likely all dead and can never be brought to trial. Anyone
    40 years old in 1963 is now 100 years old.

    Since Gil has chosen to throw out pretty much all of the evidence, even if
    miraculously some of the conspirators are still alive, just how does he think
    they are going to be brought to justice. Aren't these people going to be presumed innocent until proven guilty? Just how does Gil propose to prove
    them to be guilty after cancelling all evidence?
    It seems that Gil is just like pretty much all CT's. More interested in proving the WC false, or grossly mistaken, than actually determining what *did* happen if not that on 11-22-63. This shows a complete lack of concern for *TRUTH* or *JUSTICE*
    which are two of the things I hold most dear, and without which, no society will ever be good or sane.
    What Gil and Ben and the other card-carrying members of Team Oswald want is proxy Warren Commission members (and those of us who participate here and believe Oswald killed JFK and JDT with no help are suitable replacements for the long departed WC
    staff attorneys) so they can have their speculative hobby point nit-picks answered.

    The answers are provided, but never to their satisfaction.

    What Team Oswald should do--and they never will do this because it will kill their hobby--is PROVIDE THEIR OWN ANSWERS to the hobby point nit-picks they ask us to answer. We can then compare their "proof" of what they're alleging with the Warren
    Commission findings and the tests, interviews, forensics they used to reach their conclusion that Oswald--to the best as could be determined--killed JFK and JDT, with no known help.

    They will never provide any answers. Ever.

    With them, it's all about nullifying the WCR, never offering anything to replace it. If they got their
    way, the history books would state that nobody killed JFK.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Bud@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Wed Jul 19 11:04:26 2023
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 12:11:46 PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 08:34:36 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett
    <geowri...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 10:26:40?AM UTC-4, Greg Parker wrote:
    On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 8:09:20?AM UTC+10, John Corbett wrote:
    One has to wonder what Gil hopes to achieve since he insists a person must
    be convicted in a court of law or be presumed innocent. That is true for living
    people, but unless Gil's conspirators were young when the assassination >>> occurred they are likely all dead and can never be brought to trial. Anyone
    40 years old in 1963 is now 100 years old.
    One wonders why you were hiding behind the door when they were handing out logic.

    What you have said here is that because no one else can be brought to justice, Oswald is it.
    Logical fallacy deleted.
    Doesn't matter if he is innocent, someone has to bear the blame.
    Logical fallacy deleted.
    You might want to rethink that.

    Not given the available evidence. It's conclusive.
    Yet you're TERRIFIED of citing it. What can lurkers conclude from
    that fact?
    In order to believe Oswald is innocent, one has
    to convince themselves the evidence is all fraudulent.
    Some of it PROVABLY is. Was the paper sack identical to the paper in
    the TSBD or not?

    https://maryferrell.org/pages/Essay_-_Proof_the_FBI_Changed_Documents_and_Vincent_Bugliosi_Was_Wrong.html
    Why would someone engage in that
    practice instead of just following the evidence to its one and only logical conclusion.
    Because it was a coverup. You *DO* understand the basic thesis of a
    coverup, right?
    Since Gil has chosen to throw out pretty much all of the evidence, even if
    miraculously some of the conspirators are still alive, just how does he think
    they are going to be brought to justice.

    Gil didn't throw out the evidence. The cops threw it out with their mishandling of it. Rules of evidence is serious shit. Without those rules. you could be the next Oswald.

    Rules of evidence apply at a trial and Gil has vastly overstated those rules in declaring so much
    evidence invalid. We have the luxury of looking at the evidence and weighing it for probative
    value without worrying about whether it would have been allowed at trial. You can't even *define* evidence.
    Aren't these people going to be
    presumed innocent until proven guilty?

    No one has said otherwise, Dopey. People charged with a crime are presumed innocent under law until if and when convicted.

    Oswald was presumed innocent until Ruby killed him.
    This is BEYOND wacky!

    Conspiracy idiots find reality to be "wacky".

    Yet they find their fantastic fantasies to be reasonable.

    Strange.

    We can clear up all the unsolved crimes... just saddle anyone who died
    with the crimes.

    Happens all the time. Search "murder suicide".

    Spree shooters will sometime kill themselves when cornered.

    At that point, it was no longer necessary
    to grant him a presumption of innocence.
    Again... simply wacky!

    "presumption of innocence" means in the eyes of the law. Of course people can think whatever they like.

    We could at that point objectively look at the
    evidence against him and draw intelligent conclusions about what that evidence indicated. The
    full extent of the evidence wasn't known to the public until the release of the WCR in 1964. At
    that point, it became rather silly to doubt Oswald's guilt given the overwhelming amount of
    evidence against him.
    And since you ABSOLUTELY REFUSE to cite any of this evidence -

    It is available online.

    what
    can lurkers presume? As Chickenshit points out, it's a lie. You
    refuse to support your empty claim with citations, so it's clearly a
    lie.

    It isn`t a lie to say it is possible for us to look at the evidence and draw intelligent conclusions from it. It would be a lie if he said you could.

    Just how does Gil propose to prove
    them to be guilty after cancelling all evidence?
    The evidence you refer to is inadmissable against Oswald.

    We are free to consider all of the evidence...


    No you aren't. You ABSOLUTELY REFUSE to consider the NAA evidence,
    for example.

    What about it?

    You also refuse to consider the medical evidence...

    That Kennedy was shot?

    It is all admissible now.
    Cite for that claim.

    But you won't.
    That does not rule it it out as evidence against anyone else. It does mean a new investigation as to how evidence against an innocent man came to be found.

    Just what would you expect a new investigation to uncover that we don't already know about?
    You could *start* with the facts of evidence intentionally
    destroyed... and who did it. Such as Oswald's military intelligence
    files, or the Secret Service files on previous motorcade security.

    How does this impact whether Oswald took his rifle to his workplace and shot some people from there?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Chuck Schuyler@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Wed Jul 19 11:11:28 2023
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 12:21:15 PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 10:05:06 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler <chucksch...@gmail.com> wrote:

    What Gil and Ben and the other card-carrying members of Team Oswald

    Can you name this logical fallacy?

    No.


    want is proxy Warren Commission members (and those of us who
    participate here and believe Oswald killed JFK and JDT with no help
    are suitable replacements for the long departed WC staff attorneys) so they can have their speculative hobby point nit-picks answered.

    The answers are provided, but never to their satisfaction.

    No coward, the answers are **NOT** provided.

    ...to your satisfaction.


    You refuse to provide
    them, cannot cite where you have in the past, then lie about it.

    Na.

    Why was Chaney never questioned by the WC?

    Answer your own hobby point nit-pick, Ben. Tell us why he wasn't questioned, and back up your accusation with a positive .

    What Team Oswald should do--and they never will do this because it
    will kill their hobby--is PROVIDE THEIR OWN ANSWERS to the hobby point nit-picks they ask us to answer.

    I can answer **ANY** question I've ever asked.

    And back it up? You've never done this and never will.

    Cite any question from
    me, and I'll be happy to prove you a liar.

    You've alleged JFK's body or coffin was swiped/kidnapped/diverted for a sort of "secret" pre-autopsy to alter the path of the bullets that you claim were actually fired into JFK from various locations. Please provide the back story behind how and when
    his body/coffin was swiped/kidnapped/diverted. Tell us when it occurred and provide tests--either your own tests or the work of others-- that show how this could even be feasible.

    We can even post *YOUR* answer next to mine, and put it to a poll to
    find out which one is more credible.

    But you'll run, of course...

    The challenge is above, little fella. Put up or shut up.

    The purpose of asking questions is *NOT* because we don't know the
    answer, it's to PROVE BEYOND ALL DOUBT that *YOU* can't give a non-conspiratorial explanation for the question.
    We can then compare their "proof" of what they're alleging with the
    Warren Commission findings and the tests, interviews, forensics they
    used to reach their conclusion that Oswald--to the best as could be determined--killed JFK and JDT, with no known help.
    No you can't. You refuse... REPEATEDLY, to cite this alleged
    evidence.
    They will never provide any answers. Ever.

    And you're a damned liar who's TERRIFIED of proving that.

    Run Ben! Run!

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Bud@21:1/5 to Chuck Schuyler on Wed Jul 19 11:18:10 2023
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 2:11:30 PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 12:21:15 PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 10:05:06 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler <chucksch...@gmail.com> wrote:

    What Gil and Ben and the other card-carrying members of Team Oswald

    Can you name this logical fallacy?
    No.
    want is proxy Warren Commission members (and those of us who
    participate here and believe Oswald killed JFK and JDT with no help
    are suitable replacements for the long departed WC staff attorneys) so they can have their speculative hobby point nit-picks answered.

    The answers are provided, but never to their satisfaction.

    No coward, the answers are **NOT** provided.
    ...to your satisfaction.
    You refuse to provide
    them, cannot cite where you have in the past, then lie about it.
    Na.

    Why was Chaney never questioned by the WC?
    Answer your own hobby point nit-pick, Ben. Tell us why he wasn't questioned, and back up your accusation with a positive .
    What Team Oswald should do--and they never will do this because it
    will kill their hobby--is PROVIDE THEIR OWN ANSWERS to the hobby point nit-picks they ask us to answer.

    I can answer **ANY** question I've ever asked.
    And back it up? You've never done this and never will.
    Cite any question from
    me, and I'll be happy to prove you a liar.
    You've alleged JFK's body or coffin was swiped/kidnapped/diverted for a sort of "secret" pre-autopsy to alter the path of the bullets that you claim were actually fired into JFK from various locations. Please provide the back story behind how and when
    his body/coffin was swiped/kidnapped/diverted. Tell us when it occurred and provide tests--either your own tests or the work of others-- that show how this could even be feasible.

    We can even post *YOUR* answer next to mine, and put it to a poll to
    find out which one is more credible.

    But you'll run, of course...
    The challenge is above, little fella. Put up or shut up.

    <snicker> He`ll do neither.


    The purpose of asking questions is *NOT* because we don't know the
    answer, it's to PROVE BEYOND ALL DOUBT that *YOU* can't give a non-conspiratorial explanation for the question.
    We can then compare their "proof" of what they're alleging with the Warren Commission findings and the tests, interviews, forensics they used to reach their conclusion that Oswald--to the best as could be determined--killed JFK and JDT, with no known help.
    No you can't. You refuse... REPEATEDLY, to cite this alleged
    evidence.
    They will never provide any answers. Ever.

    And you're a damned liar who's TERRIFIED of proving that.
    Run Ben! Run!

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Chuck Schuyler@21:1/5 to Bud on Wed Jul 19 11:26:14 2023
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 1:18:11 PM UTC-5, Bud wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 2:11:30 PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 12:21:15 PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 10:05:06 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler <chucksch...@gmail.com> wrote:

    What Gil and Ben and the other card-carrying members of Team Oswald

    Can you name this logical fallacy?
    No.
    want is proxy Warren Commission members (and those of us who participate here and believe Oswald killed JFK and JDT with no help are suitable replacements for the long departed WC staff attorneys) so they can have their speculative hobby point nit-picks answered.

    The answers are provided, but never to their satisfaction.

    No coward, the answers are **NOT** provided.
    ...to your satisfaction.
    You refuse to provide
    them, cannot cite where you have in the past, then lie about it.
    Na.

    Why was Chaney never questioned by the WC?
    Answer your own hobby point nit-pick, Ben. Tell us why he wasn't questioned, and back up your accusation with a positive .
    What Team Oswald should do--and they never will do this because it will kill their hobby--is PROVIDE THEIR OWN ANSWERS to the hobby point nit-picks they ask us to answer.

    I can answer **ANY** question I've ever asked.
    And back it up? You've never done this and never will.
    Cite any question from
    me, and I'll be happy to prove you a liar.
    You've alleged JFK's body or coffin was swiped/kidnapped/diverted for a sort of "secret" pre-autopsy to alter the path of the bullets that you claim were actually fired into JFK from various locations. Please provide the back story behind how and
    when his body/coffin was swiped/kidnapped/diverted. Tell us when it occurred and provide tests--either your own tests or the work of others-- that show how this could even be feasible.

    We can even post *YOUR* answer next to mine, and put it to a poll to find out which one is more credible.

    But you'll run, of course...
    The challenge is above, little fella. Put up or shut up.

    <snicker> He`ll do neither.

    The little guy is like the greased piglet people try to catch at the county fair.

    The purpose of asking questions is *NOT* because we don't know the answer, it's to PROVE BEYOND ALL DOUBT that *YOU* can't give a non-conspiratorial explanation for the question.
    We can then compare their "proof" of what they're alleging with the Warren Commission findings and the tests, interviews, forensics they used to reach their conclusion that Oswald--to the best as could be determined--killed JFK and JDT, with no known help.
    No you can't. You refuse... REPEATEDLY, to cite this alleged
    evidence.
    They will never provide any answers. Ever.

    And you're a damned liar who's TERRIFIED of proving that.
    Run Ben! Run!

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to geowright1963@gmail.com on Wed Jul 19 11:38:25 2023
    On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 11:04:11 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett <geowright1963@gmail.com> wrote:

    With them, it's all about nullifying the WCR, never offering anything to replace it. If they got their
    way, the history books would state that nobody killed JFK.

    It really doesn't matter how many times we offer the scenario to
    replace the WCR's... cowards like Corbutt will simply lie and run
    away...

    I've repeatedly referenced two books that give all the details you
    can't refute.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to chuckschuyler123@gmail.com on Wed Jul 19 11:36:40 2023
    On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 11:11:28 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler <chuckschuyler123@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 12:21:15?PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 10:05:06 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler
    <chucksch...@gmail.com> wrote:

    What Gil and Ben and the other card-carrying members of Team Oswald

    Can you name this logical fallacy?

    No.


    Coward, aren't you?


    want is proxy Warren Commission members (and those of us who
    participate here and believe Oswald killed JFK and JDT with no help
    are suitable replacements for the long departed WC staff attorneys) so
    they can have their speculative hobby point nit-picks answered.

    The answers are provided, but never to their satisfaction.

    No coward, the answers are **NOT** provided.

    ...to your satisfaction.


    At all. And the proof is a simple one... where's the answers to my
    questions?


    You refuse to provide
    them, cannot cite where you have in the past, then lie about it.

    Na.


    Notice folks, no citation. Chuckles proves me right...


    Why was Chaney never questioned by the WC?

    Answer your own hobby point nit-pick, Ben. Tell us why he wasn't questioned, and back up your accusation with a positive .


    And again you prove yourself a liar. What happened to your claim that
    the answers are provided?

    Clearly, they aren't.

    You're simply a liar.


    What Team Oswald should do--and they never will do this because it
    will kill their hobby--is PROVIDE THEIR OWN ANSWERS to the hobby point
    nit-picks they ask us to answer.

    I can answer **ANY** question I've ever asked.

    And back it up? You've never done this and never will.


    There you go, lying again.


    Cite any question from
    me, and I'll be happy to prove you a liar.

    You've alleged...


    ARE YOU STUPID????

    I told you to CITE any question from me.

    I'll also accept a quotation, as long as you include the citation to
    where it's found.


    We can even post *YOUR* answer next to mine, and put it to a poll to
    find out which one is more credible.

    But you'll run, of course...

    The challenge is above...


    Indeed it was... you failed.


    The purpose of asking questions is *NOT* because we don't know the
    answer, it's to PROVE BEYOND ALL DOUBT that *YOU* can't give a
    non-conspiratorial explanation for the question.

    We can then compare their "proof" of what they're alleging with the
    Warren Commission findings and the tests, interviews, forensics they
    used to reach their conclusion that Oswald--to the best as could be
    determined--killed JFK and JDT, with no known help.

    No you can't. You refuse... REPEATEDLY, to cite this alleged
    evidence.

    They will never provide any answers. Ever.

    And you're a damned liar who's TERRIFIED of proving that.

    Run Ben! Run!


    I can't hear you... all I see is your yellow back as you run away...

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to stevemgalbraith@yahoo.com on Wed Jul 19 11:49:19 2023
    On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 11:44:59 -0700 (PDT), Steven Galbraith <stevemgalbraith@yahoo.com> wrote:

    The Cheney nonsense again. This never ends.


    The facts haven't changed, and your lies continue.


    He was interviewed by the FBI...


    You're too slimy to publicly state WHEN he was interviewed... because
    the truth doesn't help you.


    Tell us Steven - do you really think you can convince people with
    lies?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to chuckschuyler123@gmail.com on Wed Jul 19 11:47:13 2023
    On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 11:26:14 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler <chuckschuyler123@gmail.com> wrote:

    The little guy is like the greased piglet people try to catch at the county fair.


    The truth is like that to a coward... particularly dishonest
    cowards...

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Steven Galbraith@21:1/5 to Chuck Schuyler on Wed Jul 19 11:44:59 2023
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 2:11:30 PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 12:21:15 PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 10:05:06 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler <chucksch...@gmail.com> wrote:

    What Gil and Ben and the other card-carrying members of Team Oswald

    Can you name this logical fallacy?
    No.
    want is proxy Warren Commission members (and those of us who
    participate here and believe Oswald killed JFK and JDT with no help
    are suitable replacements for the long departed WC staff attorneys) so they can have their speculative hobby point nit-picks answered.

    The answers are provided, but never to their satisfaction.

    No coward, the answers are **NOT** provided.
    ...to your satisfaction.
    You refuse to provide
    them, cannot cite where you have in the past, then lie about it.
    Na.

    Why was Chaney never questioned by the WC?
    Answer your own hobby point nit-pick, Ben. Tell us why he wasn't questioned, and back up your accusation with a positive .
    What Team Oswald should do--and they never will do this because it
    will kill their hobby--is PROVIDE THEIR OWN ANSWERS to the hobby point nit-picks they ask us to answer.

    I can answer **ANY** question I've ever asked.
    And back it up? You've never done this and never will.
    Cite any question from
    me, and I'll be happy to prove you a liar.
    You've alleged JFK's body or coffin was swiped/kidnapped/diverted for a sort of "secret" pre-autopsy to alter the path of the bullets that you claim were actually fired into JFK from various locations. Please provide the back story behind how and when
    his body/coffin was swiped/kidnapped/diverted. Tell us when it occurred and provide tests--either your own tests or the work of others-- that show how this could even be feasible.

    We can even post *YOUR* answer next to mine, and put it to a poll to
    find out which one is more credible.

    But you'll run, of course...
    The challenge is above, little fella. Put up or shut up.

    The purpose of asking questions is *NOT* because we don't know the
    answer, it's to PROVE BEYOND ALL DOUBT that *YOU* can't give a non-conspiratorial explanation for the question.
    We can then compare their "proof" of what they're alleging with the Warren Commission findings and the tests, interviews, forensics they used to reach their conclusion that Oswald--to the best as could be determined--killed JFK and JDT, with no known help.
    No you can't. You refuse... REPEATEDLY, to cite this alleged
    evidence.
    They will never provide any answers. Ever.

    And you're a damned liar who's TERRIFIED of proving that.
    Run Ben! Run!
    The Cheney nonsense again. This never ends. He was interviewed by the FBI. He said all of the "noises" sounded like they came from behind him, from the rear. None from the side of front.
    "Chaney said he was positive that all the noises he heard were coming from behind his motorcycle and none of these noises came from the side or the front of the position in which Chaney was located."
    https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=62475#relPageId=170&search=James_Chaney
    I know, why even try?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Chuck Schuyler@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Wed Jul 19 11:52:53 2023
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 1:36:46 PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 11:11:28 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler <chucksch...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 12:21:15?PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 10:05:06 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler
    <chucksch...@gmail.com> wrote:

    What Gil and Ben and the other card-carrying members of Team Oswald

    Can you name this logical fallacy?

    No.
    Coward, aren't you?
    want is proxy Warren Commission members (and those of us who
    participate here and believe Oswald killed JFK and JDT with no help
    are suitable replacements for the long departed WC staff attorneys) so >>> they can have their speculative hobby point nit-picks answered.

    The answers are provided, but never to their satisfaction.

    No coward, the answers are **NOT** provided.

    ...to your satisfaction.
    At all. And the proof is a simple one... where's the answers to my questions?
    You refuse to provide
    them, cannot cite where you have in the past, then lie about it.

    Na.
    Notice folks, no citation. Chuckles proves me right...
    Why was Chaney never questioned by the WC?

    Answer your own hobby point nit-pick, Ben. Tell us why he wasn't questioned, and back up your accusation with a positive .
    And again you prove yourself a liar. What happened to your claim that
    the answers are provided?

    Clearly, they aren't.

    You're simply a liar.
    What Team Oswald should do--and they never will do this because it
    will kill their hobby--is PROVIDE THEIR OWN ANSWERS to the hobby point >>> nit-picks they ask us to answer.

    I can answer **ANY** question I've ever asked.

    And back it up? You've never done this and never will.
    There you go, lying again.
    Cite any question from
    me, and I'll be happy to prove you a liar.

    You've alleged...


    ARE YOU STUPID????

    I told you to CITE any question from me.

    I'll also accept a quotation, as long as you include the citation to
    where it's found.

    Okay.

    From the Benny Tracker series:

    "111.) At the thread, 'What happened to JFK's body between Parkland and Bethesda?' Ben was asked to explain what happened to JFK's body on this trip.(Ben think's JFK's corpse was kidnapped.) Ben can only reply, "It traveled." And they wonder why
    historians don't take them seriously."

    So explain what you mean by "it traveled," Ben? Be specific, explain precisely what you think happened, etc. and back up your claim(s).

    Or run, you little greased piglet at the county fair.

    Or snip.

    Or claim you'll answer me as soon as I jump through some other hoop.


    We can even post *YOUR* answer next to mine, and put it to a poll to
    find out which one is more credible.

    But you'll run, of course...

    The challenge is above...


    Indeed it was... you failed.
    The purpose of asking questions is *NOT* because we don't know the
    answer, it's to PROVE BEYOND ALL DOUBT that *YOU* can't give a
    non-conspiratorial explanation for the question.

    We can then compare their "proof" of what they're alleging with the
    Warren Commission findings and the tests, interviews, forensics they
    used to reach their conclusion that Oswald--to the best as could be
    determined--killed JFK and JDT, with no known help.

    No you can't. You refuse... REPEATEDLY, to cite this alleged
    evidence.

    They will never provide any answers. Ever.

    And you're a damned liar who's TERRIFIED of proving that.

    Run Ben! Run!
    I can't hear you... all I see is your yellow back as you run away...

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to chuckschuyler123@gmail.com on Wed Jul 19 11:59:13 2023
    On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 11:52:53 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler <chuckschuyler123@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 1:36:46?PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:

    ARE YOU STUPID????

    I told you to CITE any question from me.

    I'll also accept a quotation, as long as you include the citation to
    where it's found.

    Okay.

    From the Benny Tracker series:

    "111.) At the thread, 'What happened to JFK's body between Parkland and Bethesda?' Ben was asked to explain what happened to JFK's body on this trip.(Ben think's JFK's corpse was kidnapped.) Ben can only reply, "It traveled." And they wonder why
    historians don't take them seriously."

    So explain what you mean by "it traveled," Ben? Be specific, explain precisely what you think happened, etc. and back up your claim(s).

    Or run, you little greased piglet at the county fair.

    Or snip.

    Or claim you'll answer me as soon as I jump through some other hoop.


    I stated that I could answer any question that I've raised - and
    YOU'RE STILL SO STUPID THAT YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT A QUESTION IS!!!

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Steven Galbraith@21:1/5 to Steven Galbraith on Wed Jul 19 12:32:26 2023
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 2:45:01 PM UTC-4, Steven Galbraith wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 2:11:30 PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 12:21:15 PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 10:05:06 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler <chucksch...@gmail.com> wrote:

    What Gil and Ben and the other card-carrying members of Team Oswald

    Can you name this logical fallacy?
    No.
    want is proxy Warren Commission members (and those of us who participate here and believe Oswald killed JFK and JDT with no help are suitable replacements for the long departed WC staff attorneys) so they can have their speculative hobby point nit-picks answered.

    The answers are provided, but never to their satisfaction.

    No coward, the answers are **NOT** provided.
    ...to your satisfaction.
    You refuse to provide
    them, cannot cite where you have in the past, then lie about it.
    Na.

    Why was Chaney never questioned by the WC?
    Answer your own hobby point nit-pick, Ben. Tell us why he wasn't questioned, and back up your accusation with a positive .
    What Team Oswald should do--and they never will do this because it will kill their hobby--is PROVIDE THEIR OWN ANSWERS to the hobby point nit-picks they ask us to answer.

    I can answer **ANY** question I've ever asked.
    And back it up? You've never done this and never will.
    Cite any question from
    me, and I'll be happy to prove you a liar.
    You've alleged JFK's body or coffin was swiped/kidnapped/diverted for a sort of "secret" pre-autopsy to alter the path of the bullets that you claim were actually fired into JFK from various locations. Please provide the back story behind how and
    when his body/coffin was swiped/kidnapped/diverted. Tell us when it occurred and provide tests--either your own tests or the work of others-- that show how this could even be feasible.

    We can even post *YOUR* answer next to mine, and put it to a poll to find out which one is more credible.

    But you'll run, of course...
    The challenge is above, little fella. Put up or shut up.

    The purpose of asking questions is *NOT* because we don't know the answer, it's to PROVE BEYOND ALL DOUBT that *YOU* can't give a non-conspiratorial explanation for the question.
    We can then compare their "proof" of what they're alleging with the Warren Commission findings and the tests, interviews, forensics they used to reach their conclusion that Oswald--to the best as could be determined--killed JFK and JDT, with no known help.
    No you can't. You refuse... REPEATEDLY, to cite this alleged
    evidence.
    They will never provide any answers. Ever.

    And you're a damned liar who's TERRIFIED of proving that.
    Run Ben! Run!
    The Cheney nonsense again. This never ends. He was interviewed by the FBI. He said all of the "noises" sounded like they came from behind him, from the rear. None from the side of front.
    "Chaney said he was positive that all the noises he heard were coming from behind his motorcycle and none of these noises came from the side or the front of the position in which Chaney was located."
    https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=62475#relPageId=170&search=James_Chaney
    I know, why even try?
    As anyone can see in the link I included, the date of the interview is with the document.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to Admin@ConspiracyJFKForum.com on Wed Jul 19 13:12:25 2023
    On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 11:49:19 -0700, Ben Holmes
    <Admin@ConspiracyJFKForum.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 11:44:59 -0700 (PDT), Steven Galbraith ><stevemgalbraith@yahoo.com> wrote:

    The Cheney nonsense again. This never ends.


    The facts haven't changed, and your lies continue.


    He was interviewed by the FBI...


    You're too slimy to publicly state WHEN he was interviewed... because
    the truth doesn't help you.


    Tell us Steven - do you really think you can convince people with
    lies?


    Steven replied:"As anyone can see in the link I included, the date of
    the interview is with the document."

    He was too much a coward to respond to my post - so everyone could
    ready it in context - and the context is a simple one:

    I asked " Why was Chaney never questioned by the WC?"

    And rather than ANSWER that question, Steven simply lies and pretends
    that Chaney *WAS* questioned.


    AND LIES BY IMPLYING THAT CHANEY WAS QUESTIONED FOR THE WCR.


    Knowing all along that this didn't happen before the WCR was
    published.

    So Steven is not just a coward, he's a proven liar.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Chuck Schuyler@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Wed Jul 19 14:35:05 2023
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 1:59:17 PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 11:52:53 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler <chucksch...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 1:36:46?PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:

    ARE YOU STUPID????

    I told you to CITE any question from me.

    I'll also accept a quotation, as long as you include the citation to
    where it's found.

    Okay.

    From the Benny Tracker series:

    "111.) At the thread, 'What happened to JFK's body between Parkland and Bethesda?' Ben was asked to explain what happened to JFK's body on this trip.(Ben think's JFK's corpse was kidnapped.) Ben can only reply, "It traveled." And they wonder why
    historians don't take them seriously."

    So explain what you mean by "it traveled," Ben? Be specific, explain precisely what you think happened, etc. and back up your claim(s).

    Or run, you little greased piglet at the county fair.

    Or snip.

    Or claim you'll answer me as soon as I jump through some other hoop.
    I stated that I could answer any question that I've raised - and
    YOU'RE STILL SO STUPID THAT YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT A QUESTION IS!!!

    Liar.

    You wrote this, above:

    "I'll also accept a quotation, as long as you include the citation to where it's found."

    I provided the quotation. I provided the citation.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to chuckschuyler123@gmail.com on Wed Jul 19 14:43:41 2023
    On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 14:35:05 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler <chuckschuyler123@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 1:59:17?PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 11:52:53 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler
    <chucksch...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 1:36:46?PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:

    ARE YOU STUPID????

    I told you to CITE any question from me.

    I'll also accept a quotation, as long as you include the citation to
    where it's found.

    Okay.

    From the Benny Tracker series:

    "111.) At the thread, 'What happened to JFK's body between Parkland and Bethesda?' Ben was asked to explain what happened to JFK's body on this trip.(Ben think's JFK's corpse was kidnapped.) Ben can only reply, "It traveled." And they wonder why
    historians don't take them seriously."

    So explain what you mean by "it traveled," Ben? Be specific, explain precisely what you think happened, etc. and back up your claim(s).

    Or run, you little greased piglet at the county fair.

    Or snip.

    Or claim you'll answer me as soon as I jump through some other hoop.
    I stated that I could answer any question that I've raised - and
    YOU'RE STILL SO STUPID THAT YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT A QUESTION IS!!!

    Liar.

    You wrote this, above:

    "I'll also accept a quotation, as long as you include the citation to where it's found."


    A QUOTE OF MY QUESTION, MORON!!!

    The topic is the ability to answer a question. You cannot show such
    by anything OTHER than a question.

    You've failed COMPLETELY ... and it's understandable why... you really
    don't *want* to provide any of my questions... because you're not
    stupid enough to think I can't answer it.


    I provided the quotation. I provided the citation.


    Still a failure, moron.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Chuck Schuyler@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Wed Jul 19 14:45:28 2023
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 3:12:30 PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 11:49:19 -0700, Ben Holmes <Ad...@ConspiracyJFKForum.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 11:44:59 -0700 (PDT), Steven Galbraith ><stevemg...@yahoo.com> wrote:

    The Cheney nonsense again. This never ends.


    The facts haven't changed, and your lies continue.


    He was interviewed by the FBI...


    You're too slimy to publicly state WHEN he was interviewed... because
    the truth doesn't help you.


    Tell us Steven - do you really think you can convince people with
    lies?
    Steven replied:"As anyone can see in the link I included, the date of
    the interview is with the document."
    He was too much a coward to respond to my post - so everyone could
    ready it in context - and the context is a simple one:

    I asked " Why was Chaney never questioned by the WC?"

    What's your explanation? Answer your own hobby point nit-pick.

    And rather than ANSWER that question, Steven simply lies and pretends
    that Chaney *WAS* questioned.


    AND LIES BY IMPLYING THAT CHANEY WAS QUESTIONED FOR THE WCR.


    Knowing all along that this didn't happen before the WCR was
    published.

    So Steven is not just a coward, he's a proven liar.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Chuck Schuyler@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Wed Jul 19 14:46:49 2023
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 4:43:46 PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 14:35:05 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler <chucksch...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 1:59:17?PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 11:52:53 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler
    <chucksch...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 1:36:46?PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:

    ARE YOU STUPID????

    I told you to CITE any question from me.

    I'll also accept a quotation, as long as you include the citation to >>>> where it's found.

    Okay.

    From the Benny Tracker series:

    "111.) At the thread, 'What happened to JFK's body between Parkland and Bethesda?' Ben was asked to explain what happened to JFK's body on this trip.(Ben think's JFK's corpse was kidnapped.) Ben can only reply, "It traveled." And they wonder why
    historians don't take them seriously."

    So explain what you mean by "it traveled," Ben? Be specific, explain precisely what you think happened, etc. and back up your claim(s).

    Or run, you little greased piglet at the county fair.

    Or snip.

    Or claim you'll answer me as soon as I jump through some other hoop.
    I stated that I could answer any question that I've raised - and
    YOU'RE STILL SO STUPID THAT YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT A QUESTION IS!!!

    Liar.

    You wrote this, above:

    "I'll also accept a quotation, as long as you include the citation to where it's found."
    A QUOTE OF MY QUESTION, MORON!!!

    The topic is the ability to answer a question. You cannot show such
    by anything OTHER than a question.

    You've failed COMPLETELY ... and it's understandable why... you really
    don't *want* to provide any of my questions... because you're not
    stupid enough to think I can't answer it.

    I provided the quotation. I provided the citation.

    Still a failure, moron.

    Why don't you answer it? Why wasn't Chaney questioned by the WC?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to chuckschuyler123@gmail.com on Wed Jul 19 15:01:05 2023
    On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 14:45:28 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler <chuckschuyler123@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 3:12:30?PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 11:49:19 -0700, Ben Holmes
    <Ad...@ConspiracyJFKForum.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 11:44:59 -0700 (PDT), Steven Galbraith >>><stevemg...@yahoo.com> wrote:

    The Cheney nonsense again. This never ends.


    The facts haven't changed, and your lies continue.


    He was interviewed by the FBI...


    You're too slimy to publicly state WHEN he was interviewed... because
    the truth doesn't help you.


    Tell us Steven - do you really think you can convince people with
    lies?
    Steven replied:"As anyone can see in the link I included, the date of
    the interview is with the document."
    He was too much a coward to respond to my post - so everyone could
    ready it in context - and the context is a simple one:

    I asked " Why was Chaney never questioned by the WC?"

    What's your explanation? Answer your own hobby point nit-pick.


    Already did. Notice folks, that Steven can't answer it, and Chuckles
    refuses to do so...


    And would you like to put it to a poll - and see how many people would
    think it's a "nit-pick" that the Warren Commission, who called
    hundreds of witnesses, refused to take testimony from the closest
    police eyewitness to the crime?


    And rather than ANSWER that question, Steven simply lies and pretends
    that Chaney *WAS* questioned.


    AND LIES BY IMPLYING THAT CHANEY WAS QUESTIONED FOR THE WCR.


    Knowing all along that this didn't happen before the WCR was
    published.

    So Steven is not just a coward, he's a proven liar.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Bud@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Wed Jul 19 14:51:45 2023
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 2:59:17 PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 11:52:53 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler <chucksch...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 1:36:46?PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:

    ARE YOU STUPID????

    I told you to CITE any question from me.

    I'll also accept a quotation, as long as you include the citation to
    where it's found.

    Okay.

    From the Benny Tracker series:

    "111.) At the thread, 'What happened to JFK's body between Parkland and Bethesda?' Ben was asked to explain what happened to JFK's body on this trip.(Ben think's JFK's corpse was kidnapped.) Ben can only reply, "It traveled." And they wonder why
    historians don't take them seriously."

    So explain what you mean by "it traveled," Ben? Be specific, explain precisely what you think happened, etc. and back up your claim(s).

    Or run, you little greased piglet at the county fair.

    Or snip.

    Or claim you'll answer me as soon as I jump through some other hoop.
    I stated...

    You lied.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to chuckschuyler123@gmail.com on Wed Jul 19 14:57:34 2023
    On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 14:46:49 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler <chuckschuyler123@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 4:43:46?PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 14:35:05 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler
    <chucksch...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 1:59:17?PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 11:52:53 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler
    <chucksch...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 1:36:46?PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:

    ARE YOU STUPID????

    I told you to CITE any question from me.

    I'll also accept a quotation, as long as you include the citation to >>>>>> where it's found.

    Okay.

    From the Benny Tracker series:

    "111.) At the thread, 'What happened to JFK's body between Parkland and Bethesda?' Ben was asked to explain what happened to JFK's body on this trip.(Ben think's JFK's corpse was kidnapped.) Ben can only reply, "It traveled." And they wonder why
    historians don't take them seriously."

    So explain what you mean by "it traveled," Ben? Be specific, explain precisely what you think happened, etc. and back up your claim(s).

    Or run, you little greased piglet at the county fair.

    Or snip.

    Or claim you'll answer me as soon as I jump through some other hoop.
    I stated that I could answer any question that I've raised - and
    YOU'RE STILL SO STUPID THAT YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT A QUESTION IS!!!

    Liar.

    You wrote this, above:

    "I'll also accept a quotation, as long as you include the citation to where it's found."
    A QUOTE OF MY QUESTION, MORON!!!

    The topic is the ability to answer a question. You cannot show such
    by anything OTHER than a question.

    You've failed COMPLETELY ... and it's understandable why... you really
    don't *want* to provide any of my questions... because you're not
    stupid enough to think I can't answer it.

    I provided the quotation. I provided the citation.

    Still a failure, moron.

    Why don't you answer it? Why wasn't Chaney questioned by the WC?


    What... third time's a charm???

    Notice folks, that after failing twice, he's finally posted a question
    that I've asked.

    And he's JUST STUPID ENOUGH to think I can't answer it.

    James Chaney was never questioned by ANYONE in an official position
    about what he saw on 11/22/63 for the WC because they were well aware
    of what he would testify *to*.

    They had it on video.

    His testimony would DIRECTLY conflict with their SBT hypothesis - and
    they didn't want a HIGHLY credible and close witness to testify to
    what they knew he'd say.

    There is **NO OTHER CREDIBLE EXPLANATION* for the refusal to ask James
    Chaney a *SINGLE QUESTION* about what he saw that day. And Chuckles
    can't refute me by providing one.

    Steven was willing to lie about it - but it's not a new lie -
    Chickenshit tried the same lie a few years back.

    Back in your court, Chuckles - but don't worry, I'm not going to ask
    you a question you'll evade... it's quite well established already
    that believers can't answer questions.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Bud@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Wed Jul 19 15:03:52 2023
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 6:01:10 PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 14:45:28 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler <chucksch...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 3:12:30?PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 11:49:19 -0700, Ben Holmes
    <Ad...@ConspiracyJFKForum.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 11:44:59 -0700 (PDT), Steven Galbraith >>><stevemg...@yahoo.com> wrote:

    The Cheney nonsense again. This never ends.


    The facts haven't changed, and your lies continue.


    He was interviewed by the FBI...


    You're too slimy to publicly state WHEN he was interviewed... because >>>the truth doesn't help you.


    Tell us Steven - do you really think you can convince people with >>>lies?
    Steven replied:"As anyone can see in the link I included, the date of
    the interview is with the document."
    He was too much a coward to respond to my post - so everyone could
    ready it in context - and the context is a simple one:

    I asked " Why was Chaney never questioned by the WC?"

    What's your explanation? Answer your own hobby point nit-pick.
    Already did. Notice folks, that Steven can't answer it, and Chuckles
    refuses to do so...


    And would you like to put it to a poll - and see how many people would
    think it's a "nit-pick" that the Warren Commission, who called
    hundreds of witnesses, refused to take testimony from the closest
    police eyewitness to the crime?

    Getting hit with bullets isn`t a crime. The crime was committed on the 6th floor of the TSBD.

    And rather than ANSWER that question, Steven simply lies and pretends
    that Chaney *WAS* questioned.


    AND LIES BY IMPLYING THAT CHANEY WAS QUESTIONED FOR THE WCR.


    Knowing all along that this didn't happen before the WCR was
    published.

    So Steven is not just a coward, he's a proven liar.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Chuck Schuyler@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Wed Jul 19 15:09:07 2023
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 5:01:10 PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 14:45:28 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler <chucksch...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 3:12:30?PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 11:49:19 -0700, Ben Holmes
    <Ad...@ConspiracyJFKForum.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 11:44:59 -0700 (PDT), Steven Galbraith >>><stevemg...@yahoo.com> wrote:

    The Cheney nonsense again. This never ends.


    The facts haven't changed, and your lies continue.


    He was interviewed by the FBI...


    You're too slimy to publicly state WHEN he was interviewed... because >>>the truth doesn't help you.


    Tell us Steven - do you really think you can convince people with >>>lies?
    Steven replied:"As anyone can see in the link I included, the date of
    the interview is with the document."
    He was too much a coward to respond to my post - so everyone could
    ready it in context - and the context is a simple one:

    I asked " Why was Chaney never questioned by the WC?"

    What's your explanation? Answer your own hobby point nit-pick.
    Already did. Notice folks, that Steven can't answer it, and Chuckles
    refuses to do so...


    And would you like to put it to a poll - and see how many people would
    think it's a "nit-pick" that the Warren Commission, who called
    hundreds of witnesses, refused to take testimony from the closest
    police eyewitness to the crime?


    Sure. Put it to a poll. You've been threatening to put different assassination-related things to some sort of poll for as long as I've posted here. Go ahead and create a poll of some sorts. It should be good for laughs.

    You never will, though. You're too lazy.

    Did the historians at JFK's Presidential Library and Museum ever get back to you about your history altering Magnum Opus I sent to them? You were too lazy to do anything with your blockbuster work so I sent it there months ago. No response?


    And rather than ANSWER that question, Steven simply lies and pretends
    that Chaney *WAS* questioned.


    AND LIES BY IMPLYING THAT CHANEY WAS QUESTIONED FOR THE WCR.


    Knowing all along that this didn't happen before the WCR was
    published.

    So Steven is not just a coward, he's a proven liar.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Bud@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Wed Jul 19 15:07:40 2023
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 5:57:39 PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 14:46:49 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler <chucksch...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 4:43:46?PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 14:35:05 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler
    <chucksch...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 1:59:17?PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 11:52:53 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler
    <chucksch...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 1:36:46?PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:

    ARE YOU STUPID????

    I told you to CITE any question from me.

    I'll also accept a quotation, as long as you include the citation to >>>>>> where it's found.

    Okay.

    From the Benny Tracker series:

    "111.) At the thread, 'What happened to JFK's body between Parkland and Bethesda?' Ben was asked to explain what happened to JFK's body on this trip.(Ben think's JFK's corpse was kidnapped.) Ben can only reply, "It traveled." And they wonder why
    historians don't take them seriously."

    So explain what you mean by "it traveled," Ben? Be specific, explain precisely what you think happened, etc. and back up your claim(s).

    Or run, you little greased piglet at the county fair.

    Or snip.

    Or claim you'll answer me as soon as I jump through some other hoop. >>>> I stated that I could answer any question that I've raised - and
    YOU'RE STILL SO STUPID THAT YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT A QUESTION IS!!! >>>
    Liar.

    You wrote this, above:

    "I'll also accept a quotation, as long as you include the citation to where it's found."
    A QUOTE OF MY QUESTION, MORON!!!

    The topic is the ability to answer a question. You cannot show such
    by anything OTHER than a question.

    You've failed COMPLETELY ... and it's understandable why... you really
    don't *want* to provide any of my questions... because you're not
    stupid enough to think I can't answer it.

    I provided the quotation. I provided the citation.

    Still a failure, moron.

    Why don't you answer it? Why wasn't Chaney questioned by the WC?
    What... third time's a charm???

    Notice folks, that after failing twice, he's finally posted a question
    that I've asked.

    And he's JUST STUPID ENOUGH to think I can't answer it.

    James Chaney was never questioned by ANYONE in an official position
    about what he saw on 11/22/63 for the WC because they were well aware
    of what he would testify *to*.

    That Kennedy had been shot from behind.

    They had it on video.

    His testimony would DIRECTLY conflict with their SBT hypothesis - and
    they didn't want a HIGHLY credible and close witness to testify to
    what they knew he'd say.

    Be careful you don`t actually say anything.

    There is **NO OTHER CREDIBLE EXPLANATION* for the refusal to ask James Chaney a *SINGLE QUESTION* about what he saw that day. And Chuckles
    can't refute me by providing one.

    Who decided your explanation is credible? You?

    Steven was willing to lie about it - but it's not a new lie -
    Chickenshit tried the same lie a few years back.

    Back in your court, Chuckles - but don't worry, I'm not going to ask
    you a question you'll evade... it's quite well established already
    that believers can't answer questions.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Chuck Schuyler@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Wed Jul 19 15:04:03 2023
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 4:57:39 PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 14:46:49 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler <chucksch...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 4:43:46?PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 14:35:05 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler
    <chucksch...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 1:59:17?PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 11:52:53 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler
    <chucksch...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 1:36:46?PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:

    ARE YOU STUPID????

    I told you to CITE any question from me.

    I'll also accept a quotation, as long as you include the citation to >>>>>> where it's found.

    Okay.

    From the Benny Tracker series:

    "111.) At the thread, 'What happened to JFK's body between Parkland and Bethesda?' Ben was asked to explain what happened to JFK's body on this trip.(Ben think's JFK's corpse was kidnapped.) Ben can only reply, "It traveled." And they wonder why
    historians don't take them seriously."

    So explain what you mean by "it traveled," Ben? Be specific, explain precisely what you think happened, etc. and back up your claim(s).

    Or run, you little greased piglet at the county fair.

    Or snip.

    Or claim you'll answer me as soon as I jump through some other hoop. >>>> I stated that I could answer any question that I've raised - and
    YOU'RE STILL SO STUPID THAT YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT A QUESTION IS!!! >>>
    Liar.

    You wrote this, above:

    "I'll also accept a quotation, as long as you include the citation to where it's found."
    A QUOTE OF MY QUESTION, MORON!!!

    The topic is the ability to answer a question. You cannot show such
    by anything OTHER than a question.

    You've failed COMPLETELY ... and it's understandable why... you really
    don't *want* to provide any of my questions... because you're not
    stupid enough to think I can't answer it.

    I provided the quotation. I provided the citation.

    Still a failure, moron.

    Why don't you answer it? Why wasn't Chaney questioned by the WC?
    What... third time's a charm???

    Notice folks, that after failing twice, he's finally posted a question
    that I've asked.

    And he's JUST STUPID ENOUGH to think I can't answer it.

    James Chaney was never questioned by ANYONE in an official position
    about what he saw on 11/22/63 for the WC because they were well aware
    of what he would testify *to*.

    They had it on video.

    His testimony would DIRECTLY conflict with their SBT hypothesis - and
    they didn't want a HIGHLY credible and close witness to testify to
    what they knew he'd say.

    There is **NO OTHER CREDIBLE EXPLANATION* for the refusal to ask James Chaney a *SINGLE QUESTION* about what he saw that day. And Chuckles
    can't refute me by providing one.

    Steven was willing to lie about it - but it's not a new lie -
    Chickenshit tried the same lie a few years back.

    Back in your court, Chuckles - but don't worry, I'm not going to ask
    you a question you'll evade... it's quite well established already
    that believers can't answer questions.

    Yes, I've seen the video. We've discussed it here before. There's nothing in the video that would "overturn" the WCR findings.

    Now what?

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to chuckschuyler123@gmail.com on Wed Jul 19 15:13:19 2023
    On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 15:04:03 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler <chuckschuyler123@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 4:57:39?PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 14:46:49 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler
    <chucksch...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 4:43:46?PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 14:35:05 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler
    <chucksch...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 1:59:17?PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 11:52:53 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler
    <chucksch...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 1:36:46?PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote: >>>>>>
    ARE YOU STUPID????

    I told you to CITE any question from me.

    I'll also accept a quotation, as long as you include the citation to >>>>>>>> where it's found.

    Okay.

    From the Benny Tracker series:

    "111.) At the thread, 'What happened to JFK's body between Parkland and Bethesda?' Ben was asked to explain what happened to JFK's body on this trip.(Ben think's JFK's corpse was kidnapped.) Ben can only reply, "It traveled." And they wonder why
    historians don't take them seriously."

    So explain what you mean by "it traveled," Ben? Be specific, explain precisely what you think happened, etc. and back up your claim(s).

    Or run, you little greased piglet at the county fair.

    Or snip.

    Or claim you'll answer me as soon as I jump through some other hoop. >>>>>> I stated that I could answer any question that I've raised - and
    YOU'RE STILL SO STUPID THAT YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT A QUESTION IS!!! >>>>>
    Liar.

    You wrote this, above:

    "I'll also accept a quotation, as long as you include the citation to where it's found."
    A QUOTE OF MY QUESTION, MORON!!!

    The topic is the ability to answer a question. You cannot show such
    by anything OTHER than a question.

    You've failed COMPLETELY ... and it's understandable why... you really >>>> don't *want* to provide any of my questions... because you're not
    stupid enough to think I can't answer it.

    I provided the quotation. I provided the citation.

    Still a failure, moron.

    Why don't you answer it? Why wasn't Chaney questioned by the WC?
    What... third time's a charm???

    Notice folks, that after failing twice, he's finally posted a question
    that I've asked.

    And he's JUST STUPID ENOUGH to think I can't answer it.

    James Chaney was never questioned by ANYONE in an official position
    about what he saw on 11/22/63 for the WC because they were well aware
    of what he would testify *to*.

    They had it on video.

    His testimony would DIRECTLY conflict with their SBT hypothesis - and
    they didn't want a HIGHLY credible and close witness to testify to
    what they knew he'd say.

    There is **NO OTHER CREDIBLE EXPLANATION* for the refusal to ask James
    Chaney a *SINGLE QUESTION* about what he saw that day. And Chuckles
    can't refute me by providing one.

    Steven was willing to lie about it - but it's not a new lie -
    Chickenshit tried the same lie a few years back.

    Back in your court, Chuckles - but don't worry, I'm not going to ask
    you a question you'll evade... it's quite well established already
    that believers can't answer questions.

    Yes, I've seen the video. We've discussed it here before. There's
    nothing in the video that would "overturn" the WCR findings.

    Now what?

    You lost.

    I've made my pont... you gave it your best shot, and when you finally
    *DID* meet the challenge, I easily and completely gave a full and
    credible answer.

    And you *still* can't.

    You lose.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From John Corbett@21:1/5 to Chuck Schuyler on Wed Jul 19 15:17:38 2023
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 6:09:08 PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 5:01:10 PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 14:45:28 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler <chucksch...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 3:12:30?PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 11:49:19 -0700, Ben Holmes
    <Ad...@ConspiracyJFKForum.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 11:44:59 -0700 (PDT), Steven Galbraith >>><stevemg...@yahoo.com> wrote:

    The Cheney nonsense again. This never ends.


    The facts haven't changed, and your lies continue.


    He was interviewed by the FBI...


    You're too slimy to publicly state WHEN he was interviewed... because >>>the truth doesn't help you.


    Tell us Steven - do you really think you can convince people with >>>lies?
    Steven replied:"As anyone can see in the link I included, the date of >> the interview is with the document."
    He was too much a coward to respond to my post - so everyone could
    ready it in context - and the context is a simple one:

    I asked " Why was Chaney never questioned by the WC?"

    What's your explanation? Answer your own hobby point nit-pick.
    Already did. Notice folks, that Steven can't answer it, and Chuckles refuses to do so...


    And would you like to put it to a poll - and see how many people would think it's a "nit-pick" that the Warren Commission, who called
    hundreds of witnesses, refused to take testimony from the closest
    police eyewitness to the crime?
    Sure. Put it to a poll. You've been threatening to put different assassination-related things to some sort of poll for as long as I've posted here. Go ahead and create a poll of some sorts. It should be good for laughs.

    You never will, though. You're too lazy.

    Did the historians at JFK's Presidential Library and Museum ever get back to you about your history altering Magnum Opus I sent to them? You were too lazy to do anything with your blockbuster work so I sent it there months ago. No response?

    I can pretty much guess their response.

    "Oh, God. Not another."

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to chuckschuyler123@gmail.com on Wed Jul 19 15:20:24 2023
    On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 15:09:07 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler <chuckschuyler123@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 5:01:10?PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 14:45:28 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler
    <chucksch...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 3:12:30?PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 11:49:19 -0700, Ben Holmes
    <Ad...@ConspiracyJFKForum.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 11:44:59 -0700 (PDT), Steven Galbraith >>>>><stevemg...@yahoo.com> wrote:

    The Cheney nonsense again. This never ends.


    The facts haven't changed, and your lies continue.


    He was interviewed by the FBI...


    You're too slimy to publicly state WHEN he was interviewed... because >>>>>the truth doesn't help you.


    Tell us Steven - do you really think you can convince people with >>>>>lies?
    Steven replied:"As anyone can see in the link I included, the date of
    the interview is with the document."
    He was too much a coward to respond to my post - so everyone could
    ready it in context - and the context is a simple one:

    I asked " Why was Chaney never questioned by the WC?"

    What's your explanation? Answer your own hobby point nit-pick.
    Already did. Notice folks, that Steven can't answer it, and Chuckles
    refuses to do so...


    And would you like to put it to a poll - and see how many people would
    think it's a "nit-pick" that the Warren Commission, who called
    hundreds of witnesses, refused to take testimony from the closest
    police eyewitness to the crime?


    Sure. Put it to a poll. You've been threatening to put different assassination-related things to some sort of poll for as long as I've
    posted here. Go ahead and create a poll of some sorts. It should be
    good for laughs.


    How much money are you willing to wager?

    I'll make it cheap for you - how many days/weeks/months of no posting
    in this forum will you wager?


    You never will, though. You're too lazy.


    Just got through answering a question you never thought I'd be able to answer... your track record simply isn't there...


    And rather than ANSWER that question, Steven simply lies and pretends
    that Chaney *WAS* questioned.


    AND LIES BY IMPLYING THAT CHANEY WAS QUESTIONED FOR THE WCR.


    Knowing all along that this didn't happen before the WCR was
    published.

    So Steven is not just a coward, he's a proven liar.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to geowright1963@gmail.com on Wed Jul 19 15:27:28 2023
    On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 15:17:38 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett <geowright1963@gmail.com> wrote:

    I can pretty much guess their response.

    "Oh, God. Not another."


    Doesn't it just piss you off that the American people have come down
    on the side of conspiracy?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Bud@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Wed Jul 19 15:33:43 2023
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 6:27:48 PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 15:17:38 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett
    <geowri...@gmail.com> wrote:

    I can pretty much guess their response.

    "Oh, God. Not another."
    Doesn't it just piss you off that the American people have come down
    on the side of conspiracy?

    What do they know?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Bud@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Wed Jul 19 15:34:29 2023
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 6:20:28 PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 15:09:07 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler <chucksch...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 5:01:10?PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 14:45:28 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler
    <chucksch...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 3:12:30?PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 11:49:19 -0700, Ben Holmes
    <Ad...@ConspiracyJFKForum.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 11:44:59 -0700 (PDT), Steven Galbraith >>>>><stevemg...@yahoo.com> wrote:

    The Cheney nonsense again. This never ends.


    The facts haven't changed, and your lies continue.


    He was interviewed by the FBI...


    You're too slimy to publicly state WHEN he was interviewed... because >>>>>the truth doesn't help you.


    Tell us Steven - do you really think you can convince people with >>>>>lies?
    Steven replied:"As anyone can see in the link I included, the date of >>>> the interview is with the document."
    He was too much a coward to respond to my post - so everyone could
    ready it in context - and the context is a simple one:

    I asked " Why was Chaney never questioned by the WC?"

    What's your explanation? Answer your own hobby point nit-pick.
    Already did. Notice folks, that Steven can't answer it, and Chuckles
    refuses to do so...


    And would you like to put it to a poll - and see how many people would
    think it's a "nit-pick" that the Warren Commission, who called
    hundreds of witnesses, refused to take testimony from the closest
    police eyewitness to the crime?


    Sure. Put it to a poll. You've been threatening to put different assassination-related things to some sort of poll for as long as I've posted here. Go ahead and create a poll of some sorts. It should be
    good for laughs.
    How much money are you willing to wager?

    I'll make it cheap for you - how many days/weeks/months of no posting
    in this forum will you wager?

    Can I phrase the question?

    You never will, though. You're too lazy.
    Just got through answering a question you never thought I'd be able to answer... your track record simply isn't there...
    And rather than ANSWER that question, Steven simply lies and pretends >>>> that Chaney *WAS* questioned.


    AND LIES BY IMPLYING THAT CHANEY WAS QUESTIONED FOR THE WCR.


    Knowing all along that this didn't happen before the WCR was
    published.

    So Steven is not just a coward, he's a proven liar.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Bud@21:1/5 to Bud on Wed Jul 19 15:36:41 2023
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 6:34:32 PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 6:20:28 PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 15:09:07 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler <chucksch...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 5:01:10?PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 14:45:28 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler
    <chucksch...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 3:12:30?PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 11:49:19 -0700, Ben Holmes
    <Ad...@ConspiracyJFKForum.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 11:44:59 -0700 (PDT), Steven Galbraith >>>>><stevemg...@yahoo.com> wrote:

    The Cheney nonsense again. This never ends.


    The facts haven't changed, and your lies continue.


    He was interviewed by the FBI...


    You're too slimy to publicly state WHEN he was interviewed... because >>>>>the truth doesn't help you.


    Tell us Steven - do you really think you can convince people with >>>>>lies?
    Steven replied:"As anyone can see in the link I included, the date of >>>> the interview is with the document."
    He was too much a coward to respond to my post - so everyone could >>>> ready it in context - and the context is a simple one:

    I asked " Why was Chaney never questioned by the WC?"

    What's your explanation? Answer your own hobby point nit-pick.
    Already did. Notice folks, that Steven can't answer it, and Chuckles
    refuses to do so...


    And would you like to put it to a poll - and see how many people would >> think it's a "nit-pick" that the Warren Commission, who called
    hundreds of witnesses, refused to take testimony from the closest
    police eyewitness to the crime?


    Sure. Put it to a poll. You've been threatening to put different assassination-related things to some sort of poll for as long as I've posted here. Go ahead and create a poll of some sorts. It should be
    good for laughs.
    How much money are you willing to wager?

    I'll make it cheap for you - how many days/weeks/months of no posting
    in this forum will you wager?
    Can I phrase the question?

    How about...

    "The Warren Commission didn`t call a cop who witnessed the assassination to testify. Is this necessarily significant?"

    You never will, though. You're too lazy.
    Just got through answering a question you never thought I'd be able to answer... your track record simply isn't there...
    And rather than ANSWER that question, Steven simply lies and pretends >>>> that Chaney *WAS* questioned.


    AND LIES BY IMPLYING THAT CHANEY WAS QUESTIONED FOR THE WCR.


    Knowing all along that this didn't happen before the WCR was
    published.

    So Steven is not just a coward, he's a proven liar.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to chuckschuyler123@gmail.com on Wed Jul 19 16:11:15 2023
    On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 16:02:35 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler <chuckschuyler123@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 5:20:28?PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 15:09:07 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler
    <chucksch...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 5:01:10?PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 14:45:28 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler
    <chucksch...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 3:12:30?PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 11:49:19 -0700, Ben Holmes
    <Ad...@ConspiracyJFKForum.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 11:44:59 -0700 (PDT), Steven Galbraith >>>>>>><stevemg...@yahoo.com> wrote:

    The Cheney nonsense again. This never ends.


    The facts haven't changed, and your lies continue.


    He was interviewed by the FBI...


    You're too slimy to publicly state WHEN he was interviewed... because >>>>>>>the truth doesn't help you.


    Tell us Steven - do you really think you can convince people with >>>>>>>lies?
    Steven replied:"As anyone can see in the link I included, the date of >>>>>> the interview is with the document."
    He was too much a coward to respond to my post - so everyone could >>>>>> ready it in context - and the context is a simple one:

    I asked " Why was Chaney never questioned by the WC?"

    What's your explanation? Answer your own hobby point nit-pick.
    Already did. Notice folks, that Steven can't answer it, and Chuckles
    refuses to do so...


    And would you like to put it to a poll - and see how many people would >>>> think it's a "nit-pick" that the Warren Commission, who called
    hundreds of witnesses, refused to take testimony from the closest
    police eyewitness to the crime?


    Sure. Put it to a poll. You've been threatening to put different
    assassination-related things to some sort of poll for as long as I've
    posted here. Go ahead and create a poll of some sorts. It should be
    good for laughs.

    How much money are you willing to wager?

    A wager so you can "prove" you're not too lazy to develop some sort of poll about Chaney and the WC?

    Why would I need to bet on that? Are you saying you need the inducement of some sort of gambling contest to get you off your ass and follow through on your "put it to a poll" threats?

    You're a hoot, little fella!!!!!!

    Ben: Let's put the Chaney matter to a poll!

    Me: You're too lazy.

    Ben: Wanna bet???!!!!

    Bwahahahahaha!

    Ben, you're not too bright, but you are amusing, or at least you are today. Thanks for the laughs, Yellow Pants.


    I'm willing to pay the price if proven wrong, you aren't... It's just
    that simple.

    You lose.


    I'll make it cheap for you - how many days/weeks/months of no posting
    in this forum will you wager?
    You never will, though. You're too lazy.
    Just got through answering a question you never thought I'd be able to
    answer... your track record simply isn't there...
    And rather than ANSWER that question, Steven simply lies and pretends >>>>>> that Chaney *WAS* questioned.


    AND LIES BY IMPLYING THAT CHANEY WAS QUESTIONED FOR THE WCR.


    Knowing all along that this didn't happen before the WCR was
    published.

    So Steven is not just a coward, he's a proven liar.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Chuck Schuyler@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Wed Jul 19 16:02:35 2023
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 5:20:28 PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 15:09:07 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler <chucksch...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 5:01:10?PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 14:45:28 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler
    <chucksch...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 3:12:30?PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 11:49:19 -0700, Ben Holmes
    <Ad...@ConspiracyJFKForum.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 11:44:59 -0700 (PDT), Steven Galbraith >>>>><stevemg...@yahoo.com> wrote:

    The Cheney nonsense again. This never ends.


    The facts haven't changed, and your lies continue.


    He was interviewed by the FBI...


    You're too slimy to publicly state WHEN he was interviewed... because >>>>>the truth doesn't help you.


    Tell us Steven - do you really think you can convince people with >>>>>lies?
    Steven replied:"As anyone can see in the link I included, the date of >>>> the interview is with the document."
    He was too much a coward to respond to my post - so everyone could
    ready it in context - and the context is a simple one:

    I asked " Why was Chaney never questioned by the WC?"

    What's your explanation? Answer your own hobby point nit-pick.
    Already did. Notice folks, that Steven can't answer it, and Chuckles
    refuses to do so...


    And would you like to put it to a poll - and see how many people would
    think it's a "nit-pick" that the Warren Commission, who called
    hundreds of witnesses, refused to take testimony from the closest
    police eyewitness to the crime?


    Sure. Put it to a poll. You've been threatening to put different assassination-related things to some sort of poll for as long as I've posted here. Go ahead and create a poll of some sorts. It should be
    good for laughs.

    How much money are you willing to wager?

    A wager so you can "prove" you're not too lazy to develop some sort of poll about Chaney and the WC?

    Why would I need to bet on that? Are you saying you need the inducement of some sort of gambling contest to get you off your ass and follow through on your "put it to a poll" threats?

    You're a hoot, little fella!!!!!!

    Ben: Let's put the Chaney matter to a poll!

    Me: You're too lazy.

    Ben: Wanna bet???!!!!

    Bwahahahahaha!

    Ben, you're not too bright, but you are amusing, or at least you are today. Thanks for the laughs, Yellow Pants.

    I'll make it cheap for you - how many days/weeks/months of no posting
    in this forum will you wager?
    You never will, though. You're too lazy.
    Just got through answering a question you never thought I'd be able to answer... your track record simply isn't there...
    And rather than ANSWER that question, Steven simply lies and pretends >>>> that Chaney *WAS* questioned.


    AND LIES BY IMPLYING THAT CHANEY WAS QUESTIONED FOR THE WCR.


    Knowing all along that this didn't happen before the WCR was
    published.

    So Steven is not just a coward, he's a proven liar.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Bud@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Wed Jul 19 16:29:34 2023
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 7:11:19 PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 16:02:35 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler <chucksch...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 5:20:28?PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 15:09:07 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler
    <chucksch...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 5:01:10?PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 14:45:28 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler
    <chucksch...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 3:12:30?PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote: >>>>>> On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 11:49:19 -0700, Ben Holmes
    <Ad...@ConspiracyJFKForum.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 11:44:59 -0700 (PDT), Steven Galbraith >>>>>>><stevemg...@yahoo.com> wrote:

    The Cheney nonsense again. This never ends.


    The facts haven't changed, and your lies continue.


    He was interviewed by the FBI...


    You're too slimy to publicly state WHEN he was interviewed... because >>>>>>>the truth doesn't help you.


    Tell us Steven - do you really think you can convince people with >>>>>>>lies?
    Steven replied:"As anyone can see in the link I included, the date of >>>>>> the interview is with the document."
    He was too much a coward to respond to my post - so everyone could >>>>>> ready it in context - and the context is a simple one:

    I asked " Why was Chaney never questioned by the WC?"

    What's your explanation? Answer your own hobby point nit-pick.
    Already did. Notice folks, that Steven can't answer it, and Chuckles >>>> refuses to do so...


    And would you like to put it to a poll - and see how many people would >>>> think it's a "nit-pick" that the Warren Commission, who called
    hundreds of witnesses, refused to take testimony from the closest
    police eyewitness to the crime?


    Sure. Put it to a poll. You've been threatening to put different
    assassination-related things to some sort of poll for as long as I've >>> posted here. Go ahead and create a poll of some sorts. It should be
    good for laughs.

    How much money are you willing to wager?

    A wager so you can "prove" you're not too lazy to develop some sort of poll about Chaney and the WC?

    Why would I need to bet on that? Are you saying you need the inducement of some sort of gambling contest to get you off your ass and follow through on your "put it to a poll" threats?

    You're a hoot, little fella!!!!!!

    Ben: Let's put the Chaney matter to a poll!

    Me: You're too lazy.

    Ben: Wanna bet???!!!!

    Bwahahahahaha!

    Ben, you're not too bright, but you are amusing, or at least you are today. Thanks for the laughs, Yellow Pants.
    I'm willing to pay the price if proven wrong, you aren't... It's just
    that simple.

    You lose.

    Chuck: "The challenge is above, little fella. Put up or shut up."

    Me: "<snicker> He`ll do neither."

    Wish picking Powerball numbers was that easy.

    I'll make it cheap for you - how many days/weeks/months of no posting
    in this forum will you wager?
    You never will, though. You're too lazy.
    Just got through answering a question you never thought I'd be able to
    answer... your track record simply isn't there...
    And rather than ANSWER that question, Steven simply lies and pretends >>>>>> that Chaney *WAS* questioned.


    AND LIES BY IMPLYING THAT CHANEY WAS QUESTIONED FOR THE WCR.


    Knowing all along that this didn't happen before the WCR was
    published.

    So Steven is not just a coward, he's a proven liar.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Chuck Schuyler@21:1/5 to Bud on Wed Jul 19 17:23:03 2023
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 6:29:36 PM UTC-5, Bud wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 7:11:19 PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 16:02:35 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler <chucksch...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 5:20:28?PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 15:09:07 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler
    <chucksch...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 5:01:10?PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 14:45:28 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler
    <chucksch...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 3:12:30?PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote: >>>>>> On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 11:49:19 -0700, Ben Holmes
    <Ad...@ConspiracyJFKForum.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 11:44:59 -0700 (PDT), Steven Galbraith >>>>>>><stevemg...@yahoo.com> wrote:

    The Cheney nonsense again. This never ends.


    The facts haven't changed, and your lies continue.


    He was interviewed by the FBI...


    You're too slimy to publicly state WHEN he was interviewed... because
    the truth doesn't help you.


    Tell us Steven - do you really think you can convince people with >>>>>>>lies?
    Steven replied:"As anyone can see in the link I included, the date of
    the interview is with the document."
    He was too much a coward to respond to my post - so everyone could >>>>>> ready it in context - and the context is a simple one:

    I asked " Why was Chaney never questioned by the WC?"

    What's your explanation? Answer your own hobby point nit-pick.
    Already did. Notice folks, that Steven can't answer it, and Chuckles >>>> refuses to do so...


    And would you like to put it to a poll - and see how many people would
    think it's a "nit-pick" that the Warren Commission, who called
    hundreds of witnesses, refused to take testimony from the closest >>>> police eyewitness to the crime?


    Sure. Put it to a poll. You've been threatening to put different
    assassination-related things to some sort of poll for as long as I've >>> posted here. Go ahead and create a poll of some sorts. It should be >>> good for laughs.

    How much money are you willing to wager?

    A wager so you can "prove" you're not too lazy to develop some sort of poll about Chaney and the WC?

    Why would I need to bet on that? Are you saying you need the inducement of some sort of gambling contest to get you off your ass and follow through on your "put it to a poll" threats?

    You're a hoot, little fella!!!!!!

    Ben: Let's put the Chaney matter to a poll!

    Me: You're too lazy.

    Ben: Wanna bet???!!!!

    Bwahahahahaha!

    Ben, you're not too bright, but you are amusing, or at least you are today. Thanks for the laughs, Yellow Pants.
    I'm willing to pay the price if proven wrong, you aren't... It's just
    that simple.

    You lose.
    Chuck: "The challenge is above, little fella. Put up or shut up."

    Me: "<snicker> He`ll do neither."

    True. Betting Ben will run from something is easy money. He's earned the nickname, Yellow Pants.

    Wish picking Powerball numbers was that easy.
    I'll make it cheap for you - how many days/weeks/months of no posting >> in this forum will you wager?
    You never will, though. You're too lazy.
    Just got through answering a question you never thought I'd be able to >> answer... your track record simply isn't there...
    And rather than ANSWER that question, Steven simply lies and pretends
    that Chaney *WAS* questioned.


    AND LIES BY IMPLYING THAT CHANEY WAS QUESTIONED FOR THE WCR.


    Knowing all along that this didn't happen before the WCR was
    published.

    So Steven is not just a coward, he's a proven liar.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From David Healy@21:1/5 to BT George on Wed Jul 19 22:57:15 2023
    On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 11:04:29 AM UTC-7, BT George wrote:
    On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 5:09:20 PM UTC-5, John Corbett wrote:
    One has to wonder what Gil hopes to achieve since he insists a person must be convicted in a court of law or be presumed innocent. That is true for living
    people, but unless Gil's conspirators were young when the assassination occurred they are likely all dead and can never be brought to trial. Anyone
    40 years old in 1963 is now 100 years old.

    Since Gil has chosen to throw out pretty much all of the evidence, even if miraculously some of the conspirators are still alive, just how does he think
    they are going to be brought to justice. Aren't these people going to be presumed innocent until proven guilty? Just how does Gil propose to prove them to be guilty after cancelling all evidence?
    It seems that Gil is just like pretty much all CT's. More interested in proving the WC false, or grossly mistaken, than actually determining what *did* happen if not that on 11-22-63. This shows a complete lack of concern for *TRUTH* or *JUSTICE* which
    are two of the things I hold most dear, and without which, no society will ever be good or sane.

    ya wouldn't know truth if it was a 16 wheeler that ran over your ass, you hold dear? Bullshit -- And, society isn't doing to well if you haven't noticed, repukes in particular... have-a-good-one, toots!

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From David Healy@21:1/5 to John Corbett on Wed Jul 19 23:06:09 2023
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 11:04:13 AM UTC-7, John Corbett wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 1:05:08 PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 1:04:29 PM UTC-5, BT George wrote:
    On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 5:09:20 PM UTC-5, John Corbett wrote:
    One has to wonder what Gil hopes to achieve since he insists a person must
    be convicted in a court of law or be presumed innocent. That is true for living
    people, but unless Gil's conspirators were young when the assassination
    occurred they are likely all dead and can never be brought to trial. Anyone
    40 years old in 1963 is now 100 years old.

    Since Gil has chosen to throw out pretty much all of the evidence, even if
    miraculously some of the conspirators are still alive, just how does he think
    they are going to be brought to justice. Aren't these people going to be
    presumed innocent until proven guilty? Just how does Gil propose to prove
    them to be guilty after cancelling all evidence?
    It seems that Gil is just like pretty much all CT's. More interested in proving the WC false, or grossly mistaken, than actually determining what *did* happen if not that on 11-22-63. This shows a complete lack of concern for *TRUTH* or *JUSTICE*
    which are two of the things I hold most dear, and without which, no society will ever be good or sane.
    What Gil and Ben and the other card-carrying members of Team Oswald want is proxy Warren Commission members (and those of us who participate here and believe Oswald killed JFK and JDT with no help are suitable replacements for the long departed WC
    staff attorneys) so they can have their speculative hobby point nit-picks answered.

    The answers are provided, but never to their satisfaction.

    What Team Oswald should do--and they never will do this because it will kill their hobby--is PROVIDE THEIR OWN ANSWERS to the hobby point nit-picks they ask us to answer. We can then compare their "proof" of what they're alleging with the Warren
    Commission findings and the tests, interviews, forensics they used to reach their conclusion that Oswald--to the best as could be determined--killed JFK and JDT, with no known help.

    They will never provide any answers. Ever.
    With them, it's all about nullifying the WCR, never offering anything to replace it. If they got their
    way, the history books would state that nobody killed JFK.

    why do you fear so much, hon?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From David Healy@21:1/5 to John Corbett on Wed Jul 19 23:24:02 2023
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 3:17:42 PM UTC-7, John Corbett wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 6:09:08 PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 5:01:10 PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 14:45:28 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler <chucksch...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 3:12:30?PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 11:49:19 -0700, Ben Holmes
    <Ad...@ConspiracyJFKForum.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 11:44:59 -0700 (PDT), Steven Galbraith >>><stevemg...@yahoo.com> wrote:

    The Cheney nonsense again. This never ends.


    The facts haven't changed, and your lies continue.


    He was interviewed by the FBI...


    You're too slimy to publicly state WHEN he was interviewed... because >>>the truth doesn't help you.


    Tell us Steven - do you really think you can convince people with >>>lies?
    Steven replied:"As anyone can see in the link I included, the date of >> the interview is with the document."
    He was too much a coward to respond to my post - so everyone could
    ready it in context - and the context is a simple one:

    I asked " Why was Chaney never questioned by the WC?"

    What's your explanation? Answer your own hobby point nit-pick.
    Already did. Notice folks, that Steven can't answer it, and Chuckles refuses to do so...


    And would you like to put it to a poll - and see how many people would think it's a "nit-pick" that the Warren Commission, who called
    hundreds of witnesses, refused to take testimony from the closest
    police eyewitness to the crime?
    Sure. Put it to a poll. You've been threatening to put different assassination-related things to some sort of poll for as long as I've posted here. Go ahead and create a poll of some sorts. It should be good for laughs.

    You never will, though. You're too lazy.

    Did the historians at JFK's Presidential Library and Museum ever get back to you about your history altering Magnum Opus I sent to them? You were too lazy to do anything with your blockbuster work so I sent it there months ago. No response?
    I can pretty much guess their response.

    "Oh, God. Not another."

    you are old, retired, bored -- and, should be grateful you have found meaning in your miserable life. And, we've saved your sorry ass and. you still shit on our living room floor... and don't worry, dying ain't too bad...

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From David Healy@21:1/5 to Chuck Schuyler on Wed Jul 19 23:16:11 2023
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 11:52:55 AM UTC-7, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 1:36:46 PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 11:11:28 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler <chucksch...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 12:21:15?PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 10:05:06 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler
    <chucksch...@gmail.com> wrote:

    What Gil and Ben and the other card-carrying members of Team Oswald

    Can you name this logical fallacy?

    No.
    Coward, aren't you?
    want is proxy Warren Commission members (and those of us who
    participate here and believe Oswald killed JFK and JDT with no help >>> are suitable replacements for the long departed WC staff attorneys) so >>> they can have their speculative hobby point nit-picks answered.

    The answers are provided, but never to their satisfaction.

    No coward, the answers are **NOT** provided.

    ...to your satisfaction.
    At all. And the proof is a simple one... where's the answers to my questions?
    You refuse to provide
    them, cannot cite where you have in the past, then lie about it.

    Na.
    Notice folks, no citation. Chuckles proves me right...
    Why was Chaney never questioned by the WC?

    Answer your own hobby point nit-pick, Ben. Tell us why he wasn't questioned, and back up your accusation with a positive .
    And again you prove yourself a liar. What happened to your claim that
    the answers are provided?

    Clearly, they aren't.

    You're simply a liar.
    What Team Oswald should do--and they never will do this because it
    will kill their hobby--is PROVIDE THEIR OWN ANSWERS to the hobby point >>> nit-picks they ask us to answer.

    I can answer **ANY** question I've ever asked.

    And back it up? You've never done this and never will.
    There you go, lying again.
    Cite any question from
    me, and I'll be happy to prove you a liar.

    You've alleged...


    ARE YOU STUPID????

    I told you to CITE any question from me.

    I'll also accept a quotation, as long as you include the citation to
    where it's found.
    Okay.

    From the Benny Tracker series:

    "111.) At the thread, 'What happened to JFK's body between Parkland and Bethesda?' Ben was asked to explain what happened to JFK's body on this trip.(Ben think's JFK's corpse was kidnapped.) Ben can only reply, "It traveled." And they wonder why
    historians don't take them seriously."

    So explain what you mean by "it traveled," Ben? Be specific, explain precisely what you think happened, etc. and back up your claim(s).

    Or run, you little greased piglet at the county fair.

    Or snip.

    Or claim you'll answer me as soon as I jump through some other hoop.

    Sit Chuckles, you know the rules of the game, YOU defend the 1964 WCR conclusions... you've been found wanting in that area, also, where is your assassination case scenario, its been what, 8 years now?

    I know, I know at this rate you'll be sitting around with .john for 1600 earth years in purgatory discussing the finer points of stationary sandbag shooting (at a 100 yards) with a MC long rifle, right?

    We can even post *YOUR* answer next to mine, and put it to a poll to
    find out which one is more credible.

    But you'll run, of course...

    The challenge is above...


    Indeed it was... you failed.
    The purpose of asking questions is *NOT* because we don't know the
    answer, it's to PROVE BEYOND ALL DOUBT that *YOU* can't give a
    non-conspiratorial explanation for the question.

    We can then compare their "proof" of what they're alleging with the >>> Warren Commission findings and the tests, interviews, forensics they >>> used to reach their conclusion that Oswald--to the best as could be >>> determined--killed JFK and JDT, with no known help.

    No you can't. You refuse... REPEATEDLY, to cite this alleged
    evidence.

    They will never provide any answers. Ever.

    And you're a damned liar who's TERRIFIED of proving that.

    Run Ben! Run!
    I can't hear you... all I see is your yellow back as you run away...

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From John Corbett@21:1/5 to Chuck Schuyler on Thu Jul 20 02:44:46 2023
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 8:23:05 PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 6:29:36 PM UTC-5, Bud wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 7:11:19 PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 16:02:35 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler <chucksch...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 5:20:28?PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 15:09:07 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler
    <chucksch...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 5:01:10?PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote: >>>> On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 14:45:28 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler
    <chucksch...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 3:12:30?PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote: >>>>>> On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 11:49:19 -0700, Ben Holmes
    <Ad...@ConspiracyJFKForum.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 11:44:59 -0700 (PDT), Steven Galbraith >>>>>>><stevemg...@yahoo.com> wrote:

    The Cheney nonsense again. This never ends.


    The facts haven't changed, and your lies continue.


    He was interviewed by the FBI...


    You're too slimy to publicly state WHEN he was interviewed... because
    the truth doesn't help you.


    Tell us Steven - do you really think you can convince people with >>>>>>>lies?
    Steven replied:"As anyone can see in the link I included, the date of
    the interview is with the document."
    He was too much a coward to respond to my post - so everyone could
    ready it in context - and the context is a simple one:

    I asked " Why was Chaney never questioned by the WC?"

    What's your explanation? Answer your own hobby point nit-pick.
    Already did. Notice folks, that Steven can't answer it, and Chuckles
    refuses to do so...


    And would you like to put it to a poll - and see how many people would
    think it's a "nit-pick" that the Warren Commission, who called
    hundreds of witnesses, refused to take testimony from the closest >>>> police eyewitness to the crime?


    Sure. Put it to a poll. You've been threatening to put different
    assassination-related things to some sort of poll for as long as I've
    posted here. Go ahead and create a poll of some sorts. It should be >>> good for laughs.

    How much money are you willing to wager?

    A wager so you can "prove" you're not too lazy to develop some sort of poll about Chaney and the WC?

    Why would I need to bet on that? Are you saying you need the inducement of some sort of gambling contest to get you off your ass and follow through on your "put it to a poll" threats?

    You're a hoot, little fella!!!!!!

    Ben: Let's put the Chaney matter to a poll!

    Me: You're too lazy.

    Ben: Wanna bet???!!!!

    Bwahahahahaha!

    Ben, you're not too bright, but you are amusing, or at least you are today. Thanks for the laughs, Yellow Pants.
    I'm willing to pay the price if proven wrong, you aren't... It's just that simple.

    You lose.
    Chuck: "The challenge is above, little fella. Put up or shut up."

    Me: "<snicker> He`ll do neither."
    True. Betting Ben will run from something is easy money. He's earned the nickname, Yellow Pants.

    Yeah, but who in their right mind would bet that Ben wouldn't run?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to geowright1963@gmail.com on Thu Jul 20 06:56:48 2023
    On Thu, 20 Jul 2023 02:44:46 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett <geowright1963@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 8:23:05?PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 6:29:36?PM UTC-5, Bud wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 7:11:19?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 16:02:35 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler
    <chucksch...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 5:20:28?PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 15:09:07 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler
    <chucksch...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 5:01:10?PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote: >>>>>>>> On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 14:45:28 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler
    <chucksch...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 3:12:30?PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 11:49:19 -0700, Ben Holmes
    <Ad...@ConspiracyJFKForum.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 11:44:59 -0700 (PDT), Steven Galbraith >>>>>>>>>>><stevemg...@yahoo.com> wrote:

    The Cheney nonsense again. This never ends.


    The facts haven't changed, and your lies continue.


    He was interviewed by the FBI...


    You're too slimy to publicly state WHEN he was interviewed... because
    the truth doesn't help you.


    Tell us Steven - do you really think you can convince people with >>>>>>>>>>>lies?
    Steven replied:"As anyone can see in the link I included, the date of
    the interview is with the document."
    He was too much a coward to respond to my post - so everyone could >>>>>>>>>> ready it in context - and the context is a simple one:

    I asked " Why was Chaney never questioned by the WC?"

    What's your explanation? Answer your own hobby point nit-pick. >>>>>>>> Already did. Notice folks, that Steven can't answer it, and Chuckles >>>>>>>> refuses to do so...


    And would you like to put it to a poll - and see how many people would >>>>>>>> think it's a "nit-pick" that the Warren Commission, who called >>>>>>>> hundreds of witnesses, refused to take testimony from the closest >>>>>>>> police eyewitness to the crime?


    Sure. Put it to a poll. You've been threatening to put different >>>>>>> assassination-related things to some sort of poll for as long as I've >>>>>>> posted here. Go ahead and create a poll of some sorts. It should be >>>>>>> good for laughs.

    How much money are you willing to wager?

    A wager so you can "prove" you're not too lazy to develop some sort of poll about Chaney and the WC?

    Why would I need to bet on that? Are you saying you need the inducement of some sort of gambling contest to get you off your ass and follow through on your "put it to a poll" threats?

    You're a hoot, little fella!!!!!!

    Ben: Let's put the Chaney matter to a poll!

    Me: You're too lazy.

    Ben: Wanna bet???!!!!

    Bwahahahahaha!

    Ben, you're not too bright, but you are amusing, or at least you are today. Thanks for the laughs, Yellow Pants.
    I'm willing to pay the price if proven wrong, you aren't... It's just
    that simple.

    You lose.
    Chuck: "The challenge is above, little fella. Put up or shut up."

    Me: "<snicker> He`ll do neither."
    True. Betting Ben will run from something is easy money. He's earned the nickname, Yellow Pants.

    Yeah, but who in their right mind would bet that Ben wouldn't run?

    Everyone. This is why you CONSTANTLY refuse to put your money where
    your mouth is.

    Chuckles lost. I easily met the challenge. And you're simply too
    dishonest to admit it.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to chuckschuyler123@gmail.com on Thu Jul 20 06:54:47 2023
    On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 17:23:03 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler <chuckschuyler123@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 6:29:36?PM UTC-5, Bud wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 7:11:19?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 16:02:35 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler
    <chucksch...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 5:20:28?PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 15:09:07 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler
    <chucksch...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 5:01:10?PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote: >>>>>>> On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 14:45:28 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler
    <chucksch...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 3:12:30?PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 11:49:19 -0700, Ben Holmes
    <Ad...@ConspiracyJFKForum.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 11:44:59 -0700 (PDT), Steven Galbraith >>>>>>>>>><stevemg...@yahoo.com> wrote:

    The Cheney nonsense again. This never ends.


    The facts haven't changed, and your lies continue.


    He was interviewed by the FBI...


    You're too slimy to publicly state WHEN he was interviewed... because >>>>>>>>>>the truth doesn't help you.


    Tell us Steven - do you really think you can convince people with >>>>>>>>>>lies?
    Steven replied:"As anyone can see in the link I included, the date of >>>>>>>>> the interview is with the document."
    He was too much a coward to respond to my post - so everyone could >>>>>>>>> ready it in context - and the context is a simple one:

    I asked " Why was Chaney never questioned by the WC?"

    What's your explanation? Answer your own hobby point nit-pick.
    Already did. Notice folks, that Steven can't answer it, and Chuckles >>>>>>> refuses to do so...


    And would you like to put it to a poll - and see how many people would >>>>>>> think it's a "nit-pick" that the Warren Commission, who called
    hundreds of witnesses, refused to take testimony from the closest >>>>>>> police eyewitness to the crime?


    Sure. Put it to a poll. You've been threatening to put different
    assassination-related things to some sort of poll for as long as I've >>>>>> posted here. Go ahead and create a poll of some sorts. It should be >>>>>> good for laughs.

    How much money are you willing to wager?

    A wager so you can "prove" you're not too lazy to develop some sort of poll about Chaney and the WC?

    Why would I need to bet on that? Are you saying you need the inducement of some sort of gambling contest to get you off your ass and follow through on your "put it to a poll" threats?

    You're a hoot, little fella!!!!!!

    Ben: Let's put the Chaney matter to a poll!

    Me: You're too lazy.

    Ben: Wanna bet???!!!!

    Bwahahahahaha!

    Ben, you're not too bright, but you are amusing, or at least you are today. Thanks for the laughs, Yellow Pants.
    I'm willing to pay the price if proven wrong, you aren't... It's just
    that simple.

    You lose.


    Logical fallacies deleted.

    Face it Chuckles, it took you three times just to respond to my
    challenge correctly, and I INSTANTLY made you look stupid.


    Wish picking Powerball numbers was that easy.
    I'll make it cheap for you - how many days/weeks/months of no posting >>>>> in this forum will you wager?
    You never will, though. You're too lazy.
    Just got through answering a question you never thought I'd be able to >>>>> answer... your track record simply isn't there...
    And rather than ANSWER that question, Steven simply lies and pretends >>>>>>>>> that Chaney *WAS* questioned.


    AND LIES BY IMPLYING THAT CHANEY WAS QUESTIONED FOR THE WCR. >>>>>>>>>

    Knowing all along that this didn't happen before the WCR was >>>>>>>>> published.

    So Steven is not just a coward, he's a proven liar.

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  • From Chuck Schuyler@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Thu Jul 20 08:23:53 2023
    On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 8:56:52 AM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 20 Jul 2023 02:44:46 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett
    <geowri...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 8:23:05?PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 6:29:36?PM UTC-5, Bud wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 7:11:19?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 16:02:35 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler
    <chucksch...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 5:20:28?PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote: >>>>>> On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 15:09:07 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler
    <chucksch...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 5:01:10?PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote: >>>>>>>> On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 14:45:28 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler
    <chucksch...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 3:12:30?PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 11:49:19 -0700, Ben Holmes
    <Ad...@ConspiracyJFKForum.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 11:44:59 -0700 (PDT), Steven Galbraith >>>>>>>>>>><stevemg...@yahoo.com> wrote:

    The Cheney nonsense again. This never ends.


    The facts haven't changed, and your lies continue.


    He was interviewed by the FBI...


    You're too slimy to publicly state WHEN he was interviewed... because
    the truth doesn't help you.


    Tell us Steven - do you really think you can convince people with >>>>>>>>>>>lies?
    Steven replied:"As anyone can see in the link I included, the date of
    the interview is with the document."
    He was too much a coward to respond to my post - so everyone could
    ready it in context - and the context is a simple one:

    I asked " Why was Chaney never questioned by the WC?"

    What's your explanation? Answer your own hobby point nit-pick. >>>>>>>> Already did. Notice folks, that Steven can't answer it, and Chuckles
    refuses to do so...


    And would you like to put it to a poll - and see how many people would
    think it's a "nit-pick" that the Warren Commission, who called >>>>>>>> hundreds of witnesses, refused to take testimony from the closest >>>>>>>> police eyewitness to the crime?


    Sure. Put it to a poll. You've been threatening to put different >>>>>>> assassination-related things to some sort of poll for as long as I've
    posted here. Go ahead and create a poll of some sorts. It should be >>>>>>> good for laughs.

    How much money are you willing to wager?

    A wager so you can "prove" you're not too lazy to develop some sort of poll about Chaney and the WC?

    Why would I need to bet on that? Are you saying you need the inducement of some sort of gambling contest to get you off your ass and follow through on your "put it to a poll" threats?

    You're a hoot, little fella!!!!!!

    Ben: Let's put the Chaney matter to a poll!

    Me: You're too lazy.

    Ben: Wanna bet???!!!!

    Bwahahahahaha!

    Ben, you're not too bright, but you are amusing, or at least you are today. Thanks for the laughs, Yellow Pants.
    I'm willing to pay the price if proven wrong, you aren't... It's just >>>> that simple.

    You lose.
    Chuck: "The challenge is above, little fella. Put up or shut up."

    Me: "<snicker> He`ll do neither."
    True. Betting Ben will run from something is easy money. He's earned the nickname, Yellow Pants.

    Yeah, but who in their right mind would bet that Ben wouldn't run?
    Everyone. This is why you CONSTANTLY refuse to put your money where
    your mouth is.

    Chuckles lost. I easily met the challenge. And you're simply too
    dishonest to admit it.


    Quit while you're behind, Ben. Declare your victory in defeat and do your little Snoopy dance. You're undefeated in your mind. Hooray!

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to chuckschuyler123@gmail.com on Thu Jul 20 10:45:56 2023
    On Thu, 20 Jul 2023 08:23:53 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler <chuckschuyler123@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 8:56:52?AM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 20 Jul 2023 02:44:46 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett
    <geowri...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 8:23:05?PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 6:29:36?PM UTC-5, Bud wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 7:11:19?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 16:02:35 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler
    <chucksch...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 5:20:28?PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote: >>>>>>>> On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 15:09:07 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler
    <chucksch...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 5:01:10?PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 14:45:28 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler
    <chucksch...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 3:12:30?PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 11:49:19 -0700, Ben Holmes
    <Ad...@ConspiracyJFKForum.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 11:44:59 -0700 (PDT), Steven Galbraith >>>>>>>>>>>>><stevemg...@yahoo.com> wrote:

    The Cheney nonsense again. This never ends.


    The facts haven't changed, and your lies continue.


    He was interviewed by the FBI...


    You're too slimy to publicly state WHEN he was interviewed... because
    the truth doesn't help you.


    Tell us Steven - do you really think you can convince people with >>>>>>>>>>>>>lies?
    Steven replied:"As anyone can see in the link I included, the date of
    the interview is with the document."
    He was too much a coward to respond to my post - so everyone could >>>>>>>>>>>> ready it in context - and the context is a simple one: >>>>>>>>>>>>
    I asked " Why was Chaney never questioned by the WC?"

    What's your explanation? Answer your own hobby point nit-pick. >>>>>>>>>> Already did. Notice folks, that Steven can't answer it, and Chuckles >>>>>>>>>> refuses to do so...


    And would you like to put it to a poll - and see how many people would
    think it's a "nit-pick" that the Warren Commission, who called >>>>>>>>>> hundreds of witnesses, refused to take testimony from the closest >>>>>>>>>> police eyewitness to the crime?


    Sure. Put it to a poll. You've been threatening to put different >>>>>>>>> assassination-related things to some sort of poll for as long as I've >>>>>>>>> posted here. Go ahead and create a poll of some sorts. It should be >>>>>>>>> good for laughs.

    How much money are you willing to wager?

    A wager so you can "prove" you're not too lazy to develop some sort of poll about Chaney and the WC?

    Why would I need to bet on that? Are you saying you need the inducement of some sort of gambling contest to get you off your ass and follow through on your "put it to a poll" threats?

    You're a hoot, little fella!!!!!!

    Ben: Let's put the Chaney matter to a poll!

    Me: You're too lazy.

    Ben: Wanna bet???!!!!

    Bwahahahahaha!

    Ben, you're not too bright, but you are amusing, or at least you are today. Thanks for the laughs, Yellow Pants.
    I'm willing to pay the price if proven wrong, you aren't... It's just >>>>>> that simple.

    You lose.
    Chuck: "The challenge is above, little fella. Put up or shut up."

    Me: "<snicker> He`ll do neither."
    True. Betting Ben will run from something is easy money. He's earned the nickname, Yellow Pants.

    Yeah, but who in their right mind would bet that Ben wouldn't run?
    Everyone. This is why you CONSTANTLY refuse to put your money where
    your mouth is.

    Chuckles lost. I easily met the challenge. And you're simply too
    dishonest to admit it.


    Quit while you're behind, Ben. Declare your victory in defeat and do
    your little Snoopy dance. You're undefeated in your mind. Hooray!


    It's *YOU* that quit. I can quote my answer, can *YOU* quote *YOUR*
    answer?

    Run coward... RUN!!!

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to chuckschuyler123@gmail.com on Thu Jul 20 13:02:28 2023
    On Thu, 20 Jul 2023 12:29:21 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler <chuckschuyler123@gmail.com> wrote:

    ((!!**HICCUP**!!))

    Chuckles isn't intelligent enough to offer real debate...

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  • From Chuck Schuyler@21:1/5 to David Healy on Thu Jul 20 12:29:21 2023
    On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 1:16:12 AM UTC-5, David Healy wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 11:52:55 AM UTC-7, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 1:36:46 PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 11:11:28 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler <chucksch...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 12:21:15?PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 10:05:06 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler
    <chucksch...@gmail.com> wrote:

    What Gil and Ben and the other card-carrying members of Team Oswald

    Can you name this logical fallacy?

    No.
    Coward, aren't you?
    want is proxy Warren Commission members (and those of us who
    participate here and believe Oswald killed JFK and JDT with no help >>> are suitable replacements for the long departed WC staff attorneys) so
    they can have their speculative hobby point nit-picks answered.

    The answers are provided, but never to their satisfaction.

    No coward, the answers are **NOT** provided.

    ...to your satisfaction.
    At all. And the proof is a simple one... where's the answers to my questions?
    You refuse to provide
    them, cannot cite where you have in the past, then lie about it.

    Na.
    Notice folks, no citation. Chuckles proves me right...
    Why was Chaney never questioned by the WC?

    Answer your own hobby point nit-pick, Ben. Tell us why he wasn't questioned, and back up your accusation with a positive .
    And again you prove yourself a liar. What happened to your claim that the answers are provided?

    Clearly, they aren't.

    You're simply a liar.
    What Team Oswald should do--and they never will do this because it >>> will kill their hobby--is PROVIDE THEIR OWN ANSWERS to the hobby point
    nit-picks they ask us to answer.

    I can answer **ANY** question I've ever asked.

    And back it up? You've never done this and never will.
    There you go, lying again.
    Cite any question from
    me, and I'll be happy to prove you a liar.

    You've alleged...


    ARE YOU STUPID????

    I told you to CITE any question from me.

    I'll also accept a quotation, as long as you include the citation to where it's found.
    Okay.

    From the Benny Tracker series:

    "111.) At the thread, 'What happened to JFK's body between Parkland and Bethesda?' Ben was asked to explain what happened to JFK's body on this trip.(Ben think's JFK's corpse was kidnapped.) Ben can only reply, "It traveled." And they wonder why
    historians don't take them seriously."

    So explain what you mean by "it traveled," Ben? Be specific, explain precisely what you think happened, etc. and back up your claim(s).

    Or run, you little greased piglet at the county fair.

    Or snip.

    Or claim you'll answer me as soon as I jump through some other hoop.
    Sit Chuckles, you know the rules of the game, YOU defend the 1964 WCR conclusions... you've been found wanting in that area, also, where is your assassination case scenario, its been what, 8 years now?

    I know, I know at this rate you'll be sitting around with .john for 1600 earth years in purgatory discussing the finer points of stationary sandbag shooting (at a 100 yards) with a MC long rifle, right?

    We can even post *YOUR* answer next to mine, and put it to a poll to >> find out which one is more credible.

    But you'll run, of course...

    The challenge is above...


    Indeed it was... you failed.
    The purpose of asking questions is *NOT* because we don't know the
    answer, it's to PROVE BEYOND ALL DOUBT that *YOU* can't give a
    non-conspiratorial explanation for the question.

    We can then compare their "proof" of what they're alleging with the >>> Warren Commission findings and the tests, interviews, forensics they >>> used to reach their conclusion that Oswald--to the best as could be >>> determined--killed JFK and JDT, with no known help.

    No you can't. You refuse... REPEATEDLY, to cite this alleged
    evidence.

    They will never provide any answers. Ever.

    And you're a damned liar who's TERRIFIED of proving that.

    Run Ben! Run!
    I can't hear you... all I see is your yellow back as you run away...


    ((!!**HICCUP**!!))

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  • From Bud@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Thu Jul 20 13:05:13 2023
    On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 4:02:32 PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 20 Jul 2023 12:29:21 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler <chucksch...@gmail.com> wrote:

    ((!!**HICCUP**!!))

    Chuckles isn't intelligent enough to offer real debate...

    With who?

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 3 07:00:28 2023
    On Thu, 20 Jul 2023 13:05:13 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirslick@fast.net>
    wrote:

    On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 4:02:32?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 20 Jul 2023 12:29:21 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler
    <chucksch...@gmail.com> wrote:

    ((!!**HICCUP**!!))

    Chuckles isn't intelligent enough to offer real debate...


    Chickenshit can't figure out who Chuckles could debate... clearly
    showing his own stupidity our little Chickenshit is...

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