• Vincent Bugliosi's 53 Reasons - #39 - Refuted.

    From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jul 13 13:21:05 2023
    (39) The bullets recovered from Tippit's body were consistent with
    being fired from Oswald's .38.

    This is simply another way of saying: "We couldn't honestly state that
    we found any matches". This is one of the biggest stretches the Warren Commission made - they knew they had a fairly weak case against
    Oswald, so by framing him with the Tippit killing, they believed that
    they could influence people to believe the killings were somehow
    related.

    But it really makes no sense at all.

    And, it seems redundant to point out that this has NOTHING WHATSOEVER
    TO DO with Oswald, by himself, shooting the President.

    But in my never ending quest to protect B.T. George from the
    insistence that he's a liar, here's the full argument from Bugliosi:

    39. Four bullets were recovered from the body of Officer Tippit. A
    firearms identification expert for the Warren Commission concluded
    that one of the four bullets was fired from Oswald's revolver to the exclusion of all other weapons, and another expert acknowledged that
    all four bullets "could have been" fired from the revolver, since the
    bullets recovered from Tippit had the same general characteristic as
    those test-fired from Oswald's revolver-five lands and grooves
    (including the same width of the lands and grooves) with a right
    twist. (Recall that the bullets were .38 Special bullets, not .38
    Smith & Wesson bullets, and the barrel of Oswald's revolver was
    slightly oversized for such a bullet. Therefore, during the passage of
    these slightly smaller bullets through the barrel, the barrel did not
    clearly imprint its signature striations or markings on the sides of
    the bullets to enable a positive identification.)

    When the Warren Commission was unable to produce a match on the
    bullets, they went "expert hunting" to find someone who would tell
    them what they wanted to hear. They found him...

    You won't hear these facts from Bugliosi. And Huckster Sienzant
    remains silent.

    More nonsense refuted...

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  • From Chuck Schuyler@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Thu Jul 13 14:28:58 2023
    On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 3:21:09 PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    (39) The bullets recovered from Tippit's body were consistent with
    being fired from Oswald's .38.

    This is simply another way of saying: "We couldn't honestly state that
    we found any matches". This is one of the biggest stretches the Warren Commission made - they knew they had a fairly weak case against
    Oswald, so by framing him with the Tippit killing, they believed that
    they could influence people to believe the killings were somehow
    related.

    But it really makes no sense at all.

    And, it seems redundant to point out that this has NOTHING WHATSOEVER
    TO DO with Oswald, by himself, shooting the President.

    But in my never ending quest to protect B.T. George from the
    insistence that he's a liar, here's the full argument from Bugliosi:

    39. Four bullets were recovered from the body of Officer Tippit. A firearms identification expert for the Warren Commission concluded
    that one of the four bullets was fired from Oswald's revolver to the exclusion of all other weapons, and another expert acknowledged that
    all four bullets "could have been" fired from the revolver, since the bullets recovered from Tippit had the same general characteristic as
    those test-fired from Oswald's revolver-five lands and grooves
    (including the same width of the lands and grooves) with a right
    twist. (Recall that the bullets were .38 Special bullets, not .38
    Smith & Wesson bullets, and the barrel of Oswald's revolver was
    slightly oversized for such a bullet. Therefore, during the passage of these slightly smaller bullets through the barrel, the barrel did not clearly imprint its signature striations or markings on the sides of
    the bullets to enable a positive identification.)

    When the Warren Commission was unable to produce a match on the
    bullets, they went "expert hunting" to find someone who would tell
    them what they wanted to hear. They found him...

    You won't hear these facts from Bugliosi. And Huckster Sienzant
    remains silent.

    More nonsense refuted...


    It's a head scratcher, isn't it? Multiple eyewitnesses, recovered shells from near the crime scene that match the .38 Oswald was arrested with after pulling it on a cop in the theater, etc. and you guys can't even figure this one out.

    Everyone was out to get little Lee Oswald that fateful day.

    Poor guy.

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  • From John Corbett@21:1/5 to Chuck Schuyler on Thu Jul 13 14:39:29 2023
    On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 5:28:59 PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 3:21:09 PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    (39) The bullets recovered from Tippit's body were consistent with
    being fired from Oswald's .38.

    This is simply another way of saying: "We couldn't honestly state that
    we found any matches". This is one of the biggest stretches the Warren Commission made - they knew they had a fairly weak case against
    Oswald, so by framing him with the Tippit killing, they believed that
    they could influence people to believe the killings were somehow
    related.

    But it really makes no sense at all.

    And, it seems redundant to point out that this has NOTHING WHATSOEVER
    TO DO with Oswald, by himself, shooting the President.

    But in my never ending quest to protect B.T. George from the
    insistence that he's a liar, here's the full argument from Bugliosi:

    39. Four bullets were recovered from the body of Officer Tippit. A firearms identification expert for the Warren Commission concluded
    that one of the four bullets was fired from Oswald's revolver to the exclusion of all other weapons, and another expert acknowledged that
    all four bullets "could have been" fired from the revolver, since the bullets recovered from Tippit had the same general characteristic as those test-fired from Oswald's revolver-five lands and grooves (including the same width of the lands and grooves) with a right
    twist. (Recall that the bullets were .38 Special bullets, not .38
    Smith & Wesson bullets, and the barrel of Oswald's revolver was
    slightly oversized for such a bullet. Therefore, during the passage of these slightly smaller bullets through the barrel, the barrel did not clearly imprint its signature striations or markings on the sides of
    the bullets to enable a positive identification.)

    When the Warren Commission was unable to produce a match on the
    bullets, they went "expert hunting" to find someone who would tell
    them what they wanted to hear. They found him...

    You won't hear these facts from Bugliosi. And Huckster Sienzant
    remains silent.

    More nonsense refuted...
    It's a head scratcher, isn't it? Multiple eyewitnesses, recovered shells from near the crime scene that match the .38 Oswald was arrested with after pulling it on a cop in the theater, etc. and you guys can't even figure this one out.

    Everyone was out to get little Lee Oswald that fateful day.

    Poor guy.

    Common sense isn't their strong suit.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Steven Galbraith@21:1/5 to Chuck Schuyler on Thu Jul 13 14:42:17 2023
    On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 5:28:59 PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 3:21:09 PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    (39) The bullets recovered from Tippit's body were consistent with
    being fired from Oswald's .38.

    This is simply another way of saying: "We couldn't honestly state that
    we found any matches". This is one of the biggest stretches the Warren Commission made - they knew they had a fairly weak case against
    Oswald, so by framing him with the Tippit killing, they believed that
    they could influence people to believe the killings were somehow
    related.

    But it really makes no sense at all.

    And, it seems redundant to point out that this has NOTHING WHATSOEVER
    TO DO with Oswald, by himself, shooting the President.

    But in my never ending quest to protect B.T. George from the
    insistence that he's a liar, here's the full argument from Bugliosi:

    39. Four bullets were recovered from the body of Officer Tippit. A firearms identification expert for the Warren Commission concluded
    that one of the four bullets was fired from Oswald's revolver to the exclusion of all other weapons, and another expert acknowledged that
    all four bullets "could have been" fired from the revolver, since the bullets recovered from Tippit had the same general characteristic as those test-fired from Oswald's revolver-five lands and grooves (including the same width of the lands and grooves) with a right
    twist. (Recall that the bullets were .38 Special bullets, not .38
    Smith & Wesson bullets, and the barrel of Oswald's revolver was
    slightly oversized for such a bullet. Therefore, during the passage of these slightly smaller bullets through the barrel, the barrel did not clearly imprint its signature striations or markings on the sides of
    the bullets to enable a positive identification.)

    When the Warren Commission was unable to produce a match on the
    bullets, they went "expert hunting" to find someone who would tell
    them what they wanted to hear. They found him...

    You won't hear these facts from Bugliosi. And Huckster Sienzant
    remains silent.

    More nonsense refuted...
    It's a head scratcher, isn't it? Multiple eyewitnesses, recovered shells from near the crime scene that match the .38 Oswald was arrested with after pulling it on a cop in the theater, etc. and you guys can't even figure this one out.

    Everyone was out to get little Lee Oswald that fateful day.

    Poor guy.
    Everything they demand to be proved/shown in the JFK assassination is met in the Tippit shooting. Direct eyewitnesses - multiple ones - the murder weapon, et cetera. Do they accept the evidence here? Agree he shot Tippit? Of course not.
    They *could* still argue he didn't shoot JFK. They could claim that he panicked and shot Tippit, that he was fearful of being framed and snapped. But they won't do that. When the conspiracy mind is seized by this vision it's impossible to get rid of.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Steven Galbraith@21:1/5 to John Corbett on Thu Jul 13 14:49:09 2023
    On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 5:39:31 PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 5:28:59 PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 3:21:09 PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    (39) The bullets recovered from Tippit's body were consistent with
    being fired from Oswald's .38.

    This is simply another way of saying: "We couldn't honestly state that we found any matches". This is one of the biggest stretches the Warren Commission made - they knew they had a fairly weak case against
    Oswald, so by framing him with the Tippit killing, they believed that they could influence people to believe the killings were somehow related.

    But it really makes no sense at all.

    And, it seems redundant to point out that this has NOTHING WHATSOEVER
    TO DO with Oswald, by himself, shooting the President.

    But in my never ending quest to protect B.T. George from the
    insistence that he's a liar, here's the full argument from Bugliosi:

    39. Four bullets were recovered from the body of Officer Tippit. A firearms identification expert for the Warren Commission concluded that one of the four bullets was fired from Oswald's revolver to the exclusion of all other weapons, and another expert acknowledged that all four bullets "could have been" fired from the revolver, since the bullets recovered from Tippit had the same general characteristic as those test-fired from Oswald's revolver-five lands and grooves (including the same width of the lands and grooves) with a right twist. (Recall that the bullets were .38 Special bullets, not .38 Smith & Wesson bullets, and the barrel of Oswald's revolver was slightly oversized for such a bullet. Therefore, during the passage of these slightly smaller bullets through the barrel, the barrel did not clearly imprint its signature striations or markings on the sides of the bullets to enable a positive identification.)

    When the Warren Commission was unable to produce a match on the
    bullets, they went "expert hunting" to find someone who would tell
    them what they wanted to hear. They found him...

    You won't hear these facts from Bugliosi. And Huckster Sienzant
    remains silent.

    More nonsense refuted...
    It's a head scratcher, isn't it? Multiple eyewitnesses, recovered shells from near the crime scene that match the .38 Oswald was arrested with after pulling it on a cop in the theater, etc. and you guys can't even figure this one out.

    Everyone was out to get little Lee Oswald that fateful day.

    Poor guy.
    Common sense isn't their strong suit.
    The evidence against Oswald is judged by a legal/court standard - chain of custody! Fifth Amendment! Miranda! - while every crackpot and hairbrained conspiracy claim is completely believed, no questions asked. JFK was going to breakup the CIA and that's
    evidence of their culpability. That - that - is their standard.
    Remember again: Gil Jesus said the Soviets "got it right" in their investigation. Then he admitted he knew nothing about it. So the same person who wants us to judge the evidence against Oswald with the legal/court standards of the American legal system *
    completely* accepted the Soviet investigation based on no standards at all. He didn't know a thing about what they did. You cannot make this up. Nobody would believe it.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Chuck Schuyler@21:1/5 to Steven Galbraith on Thu Jul 13 14:49:34 2023
    On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 4:42:18 PM UTC-5, Steven Galbraith wrote:
    On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 5:28:59 PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 3:21:09 PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    (39) The bullets recovered from Tippit's body were consistent with
    being fired from Oswald's .38.

    This is simply another way of saying: "We couldn't honestly state that we found any matches". This is one of the biggest stretches the Warren Commission made - they knew they had a fairly weak case against
    Oswald, so by framing him with the Tippit killing, they believed that they could influence people to believe the killings were somehow related.

    But it really makes no sense at all.

    And, it seems redundant to point out that this has NOTHING WHATSOEVER
    TO DO with Oswald, by himself, shooting the President.

    But in my never ending quest to protect B.T. George from the
    insistence that he's a liar, here's the full argument from Bugliosi:

    39. Four bullets were recovered from the body of Officer Tippit. A firearms identification expert for the Warren Commission concluded that one of the four bullets was fired from Oswald's revolver to the exclusion of all other weapons, and another expert acknowledged that all four bullets "could have been" fired from the revolver, since the bullets recovered from Tippit had the same general characteristic as those test-fired from Oswald's revolver-five lands and grooves (including the same width of the lands and grooves) with a right twist. (Recall that the bullets were .38 Special bullets, not .38 Smith & Wesson bullets, and the barrel of Oswald's revolver was slightly oversized for such a bullet. Therefore, during the passage of these slightly smaller bullets through the barrel, the barrel did not clearly imprint its signature striations or markings on the sides of the bullets to enable a positive identification.)

    When the Warren Commission was unable to produce a match on the
    bullets, they went "expert hunting" to find someone who would tell
    them what they wanted to hear. They found him...

    You won't hear these facts from Bugliosi. And Huckster Sienzant
    remains silent.

    More nonsense refuted...
    It's a head scratcher, isn't it? Multiple eyewitnesses, recovered shells from near the crime scene that match the .38 Oswald was arrested with after pulling it on a cop in the theater, etc. and you guys can't even figure this one out.

    Everyone was out to get little Lee Oswald that fateful day.

    Poor guy.
    Everything they demand to be proved/shown in the JFK assassination is met in the Tippit shooting. Direct eyewitnesses - multiple ones - the murder weapon, et cetera. Do they accept the evidence here? Agree he shot Tippit? Of course not.
    They *could* still argue he didn't shoot JFK. They could claim that he panicked and shot Tippit, that he was fearful of being framed and snapped. But they won't do that. When the conspiracy mind is seized by this vision it's impossible to get rid of.

    More proof this is a disease of sorts and not a quest for a greater understanding over what happened that day. Lee is totally innocent of everything that day, including pulling his pistol on the cop in the theater when the arrest was going down. He's a
    tragic American hero in their books.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Chuck Schuyler@21:1/5 to John Corbett on Thu Jul 13 14:51:21 2023
    On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 4:39:31 PM UTC-5, John Corbett wrote:
    On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 5:28:59 PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 3:21:09 PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    (39) The bullets recovered from Tippit's body were consistent with
    being fired from Oswald's .38.

    This is simply another way of saying: "We couldn't honestly state that we found any matches". This is one of the biggest stretches the Warren Commission made - they knew they had a fairly weak case against
    Oswald, so by framing him with the Tippit killing, they believed that they could influence people to believe the killings were somehow related.

    But it really makes no sense at all.

    And, it seems redundant to point out that this has NOTHING WHATSOEVER
    TO DO with Oswald, by himself, shooting the President.

    But in my never ending quest to protect B.T. George from the
    insistence that he's a liar, here's the full argument from Bugliosi:

    39. Four bullets were recovered from the body of Officer Tippit. A firearms identification expert for the Warren Commission concluded that one of the four bullets was fired from Oswald's revolver to the exclusion of all other weapons, and another expert acknowledged that all four bullets "could have been" fired from the revolver, since the bullets recovered from Tippit had the same general characteristic as those test-fired from Oswald's revolver-five lands and grooves (including the same width of the lands and grooves) with a right twist. (Recall that the bullets were .38 Special bullets, not .38 Smith & Wesson bullets, and the barrel of Oswald's revolver was slightly oversized for such a bullet. Therefore, during the passage of these slightly smaller bullets through the barrel, the barrel did not clearly imprint its signature striations or markings on the sides of the bullets to enable a positive identification.)

    When the Warren Commission was unable to produce a match on the
    bullets, they went "expert hunting" to find someone who would tell
    them what they wanted to hear. They found him...

    You won't hear these facts from Bugliosi. And Huckster Sienzant
    remains silent.

    More nonsense refuted...
    It's a head scratcher, isn't it? Multiple eyewitnesses, recovered shells from near the crime scene that match the .38 Oswald was arrested with after pulling it on a cop in the theater, etc. and you guys can't even figure this one out.

    Everyone was out to get little Lee Oswald that fateful day.

    Poor guy.

    Common sense isn't their strong suit.

    Gil and Ben actually think Oswald was a hero. He was some sort of patriotic operative who was framed.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Steven Galbraith@21:1/5 to Chuck Schuyler on Thu Jul 13 14:54:59 2023
    On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 5:49:35 PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 4:42:18 PM UTC-5, Steven Galbraith wrote:
    On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 5:28:59 PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 3:21:09 PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    (39) The bullets recovered from Tippit's body were consistent with being fired from Oswald's .38.

    This is simply another way of saying: "We couldn't honestly state that we found any matches". This is one of the biggest stretches the Warren Commission made - they knew they had a fairly weak case against Oswald, so by framing him with the Tippit killing, they believed that they could influence people to believe the killings were somehow related.

    But it really makes no sense at all.

    And, it seems redundant to point out that this has NOTHING WHATSOEVER TO DO with Oswald, by himself, shooting the President.

    But in my never ending quest to protect B.T. George from the insistence that he's a liar, here's the full argument from Bugliosi:

    39. Four bullets were recovered from the body of Officer Tippit. A firearms identification expert for the Warren Commission concluded that one of the four bullets was fired from Oswald's revolver to the exclusion of all other weapons, and another expert acknowledged that all four bullets "could have been" fired from the revolver, since the
    bullets recovered from Tippit had the same general characteristic as those test-fired from Oswald's revolver-five lands and grooves (including the same width of the lands and grooves) with a right twist. (Recall that the bullets were .38 Special bullets, not .38 Smith & Wesson bullets, and the barrel of Oswald's revolver was slightly oversized for such a bullet. Therefore, during the passage of
    these slightly smaller bullets through the barrel, the barrel did not
    clearly imprint its signature striations or markings on the sides of the bullets to enable a positive identification.)

    When the Warren Commission was unable to produce a match on the bullets, they went "expert hunting" to find someone who would tell them what they wanted to hear. They found him...

    You won't hear these facts from Bugliosi. And Huckster Sienzant remains silent.

    More nonsense refuted...
    It's a head scratcher, isn't it? Multiple eyewitnesses, recovered shells from near the crime scene that match the .38 Oswald was arrested with after pulling it on a cop in the theater, etc. and you guys can't even figure this one out.

    Everyone was out to get little Lee Oswald that fateful day.

    Poor guy.
    Everything they demand to be proved/shown in the JFK assassination is met in the Tippit shooting. Direct eyewitnesses - multiple ones - the murder weapon, et cetera. Do they accept the evidence here? Agree he shot Tippit? Of course not.
    They *could* still argue he didn't shoot JFK. They could claim that he panicked and shot Tippit, that he was fearful of being framed and snapped. But they won't do that. When the conspiracy mind is seized by this vision it's impossible to get rid of.
    More proof this is a disease of sorts and not a quest for a greater understanding over what happened that day. Lee is totally innocent of everything that day, including pulling his pistol on the cop in the theater when the arrest was going down. He's a
    tragic American hero in their books.
    *Everything* has to be refuted, rejected. Not one piece of evidence against Oswald will be accepted no matter how small or trivial. They can't say, "Yeah, that looks incriminating but the other evidence clears him. The weight of the other material
    discounts this piece." Nope, can't admit to a single piece.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From John Corbett@21:1/5 to Steven Galbraith on Thu Jul 13 14:57:49 2023
    On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 5:42:18 PM UTC-4, Steven Galbraith wrote:
    On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 5:28:59 PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 3:21:09 PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    (39) The bullets recovered from Tippit's body were consistent with
    being fired from Oswald's .38.

    This is simply another way of saying: "We couldn't honestly state that we found any matches". This is one of the biggest stretches the Warren Commission made - they knew they had a fairly weak case against
    Oswald, so by framing him with the Tippit killing, they believed that they could influence people to believe the killings were somehow related.

    But it really makes no sense at all.

    And, it seems redundant to point out that this has NOTHING WHATSOEVER
    TO DO with Oswald, by himself, shooting the President.

    But in my never ending quest to protect B.T. George from the
    insistence that he's a liar, here's the full argument from Bugliosi:

    39. Four bullets were recovered from the body of Officer Tippit. A firearms identification expert for the Warren Commission concluded that one of the four bullets was fired from Oswald's revolver to the exclusion of all other weapons, and another expert acknowledged that all four bullets "could have been" fired from the revolver, since the bullets recovered from Tippit had the same general characteristic as those test-fired from Oswald's revolver-five lands and grooves (including the same width of the lands and grooves) with a right twist. (Recall that the bullets were .38 Special bullets, not .38 Smith & Wesson bullets, and the barrel of Oswald's revolver was slightly oversized for such a bullet. Therefore, during the passage of these slightly smaller bullets through the barrel, the barrel did not clearly imprint its signature striations or markings on the sides of the bullets to enable a positive identification.)

    When the Warren Commission was unable to produce a match on the
    bullets, they went "expert hunting" to find someone who would tell
    them what they wanted to hear. They found him...

    You won't hear these facts from Bugliosi. And Huckster Sienzant
    remains silent.

    More nonsense refuted...
    It's a head scratcher, isn't it? Multiple eyewitnesses, recovered shells from near the crime scene that match the .38 Oswald was arrested with after pulling it on a cop in the theater, etc. and you guys can't even figure this one out.

    Everyone was out to get little Lee Oswald that fateful day.

    Poor guy.
    Everything they demand to be proved/shown in the JFK assassination is met in the Tippit shooting. Direct eyewitnesses - multiple ones - the murder weapon, et cetera. Do they accept the evidence here? Agree he shot Tippit? Of course not.
    They *could* still argue he didn't shoot JFK. They could claim that he panicked and shot Tippit, that he was fearful of being framed and snapped. But they won't do that. When the conspiracy mind is seized by this vision it's impossible to get rid of.

    I'm going from memory here but I think Marsh was one of those who conceded Oswald shot
    Tippit but not JFK.

    I would bet that if you polled the people who believe in conspiracy, they would tell you they
    believe Oswald shot both JFK and JDT but that he was part of a conspiracy and not the sole
    shooter. That position is actually theoretically possible even though there is no evidence for
    such a conspiracy. I don't believe that for a minute, but it can't be completely ruled out.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Steven Galbraith@21:1/5 to John Corbett on Thu Jul 13 15:04:08 2023
    On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 5:57:50 PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 5:42:18 PM UTC-4, Steven Galbraith wrote:
    On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 5:28:59 PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 3:21:09 PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    (39) The bullets recovered from Tippit's body were consistent with being fired from Oswald's .38.

    This is simply another way of saying: "We couldn't honestly state that we found any matches". This is one of the biggest stretches the Warren Commission made - they knew they had a fairly weak case against Oswald, so by framing him with the Tippit killing, they believed that they could influence people to believe the killings were somehow related.

    But it really makes no sense at all.

    And, it seems redundant to point out that this has NOTHING WHATSOEVER TO DO with Oswald, by himself, shooting the President.

    But in my never ending quest to protect B.T. George from the insistence that he's a liar, here's the full argument from Bugliosi:

    39. Four bullets were recovered from the body of Officer Tippit. A firearms identification expert for the Warren Commission concluded that one of the four bullets was fired from Oswald's revolver to the exclusion of all other weapons, and another expert acknowledged that all four bullets "could have been" fired from the revolver, since the
    bullets recovered from Tippit had the same general characteristic as those test-fired from Oswald's revolver-five lands and grooves (including the same width of the lands and grooves) with a right twist. (Recall that the bullets were .38 Special bullets, not .38 Smith & Wesson bullets, and the barrel of Oswald's revolver was slightly oversized for such a bullet. Therefore, during the passage of
    these slightly smaller bullets through the barrel, the barrel did not
    clearly imprint its signature striations or markings on the sides of the bullets to enable a positive identification.)

    When the Warren Commission was unable to produce a match on the bullets, they went "expert hunting" to find someone who would tell them what they wanted to hear. They found him...

    You won't hear these facts from Bugliosi. And Huckster Sienzant remains silent.

    More nonsense refuted...
    It's a head scratcher, isn't it? Multiple eyewitnesses, recovered shells from near the crime scene that match the .38 Oswald was arrested with after pulling it on a cop in the theater, etc. and you guys can't even figure this one out.

    Everyone was out to get little Lee Oswald that fateful day.

    Poor guy.
    Everything they demand to be proved/shown in the JFK assassination is met in the Tippit shooting. Direct eyewitnesses - multiple ones - the murder weapon, et cetera. Do they accept the evidence here? Agree he shot Tippit? Of course not.
    They *could* still argue he didn't shoot JFK. They could claim that he panicked and shot Tippit, that he was fearful of being framed and snapped. But they won't do that. When the conspiracy mind is seized by this vision it's impossible to get rid of.
    I'm going from memory here but I think Marsh was one of those who conceded Oswald shot
    Tippit but not JFK.

    I would bet that if you polled the people who believe in conspiracy, they would tell you they
    believe Oswald shot both JFK and JDT but that he was part of a conspiracy and not the sole
    shooter. That position is actually theoretically possible even though there is no evidence for
    such a conspiracy. I don't believe that for a minute, but it can't be completely ruled out.
    Right, he said he shot Tippit because he was fearful of being arrested for the Walker shooting. Gotta' admit, it's original.
    As to the poll: I can't recall that breakdown; e.g., what percentage thought he had no involvement at all.
    Look, if you ask people whether there was a conspiracy in the murder of President Millard Taft you'd have a plurality if not majority saying yes. Even though there was no President Millard Taft. The funny thing is that I see increasing numbers of people
    on the political hard Right saying that they think the CIA killed JFK. Tucker Carlson types.

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  • From John Corbett@21:1/5 to Steven Galbraith on Thu Jul 13 15:03:42 2023
    On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 5:55:00 PM UTC-4, Steven Galbraith wrote:
    On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 5:49:35 PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 4:42:18 PM UTC-5, Steven Galbraith wrote:
    On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 5:28:59 PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 3:21:09 PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    (39) The bullets recovered from Tippit's body were consistent with being fired from Oswald's .38.

    This is simply another way of saying: "We couldn't honestly state that
    we found any matches". This is one of the biggest stretches the Warren
    Commission made - they knew they had a fairly weak case against Oswald, so by framing him with the Tippit killing, they believed that
    they could influence people to believe the killings were somehow related.

    But it really makes no sense at all.

    And, it seems redundant to point out that this has NOTHING WHATSOEVER
    TO DO with Oswald, by himself, shooting the President.

    But in my never ending quest to protect B.T. George from the insistence that he's a liar, here's the full argument from Bugliosi:

    39. Four bullets were recovered from the body of Officer Tippit. A firearms identification expert for the Warren Commission concluded that one of the four bullets was fired from Oswald's revolver to the
    exclusion of all other weapons, and another expert acknowledged that
    all four bullets "could have been" fired from the revolver, since the
    bullets recovered from Tippit had the same general characteristic as
    those test-fired from Oswald's revolver-five lands and grooves (including the same width of the lands and grooves) with a right twist. (Recall that the bullets were .38 Special bullets, not .38 Smith & Wesson bullets, and the barrel of Oswald's revolver was slightly oversized for such a bullet. Therefore, during the passage of
    these slightly smaller bullets through the barrel, the barrel did not
    clearly imprint its signature striations or markings on the sides of
    the bullets to enable a positive identification.)

    When the Warren Commission was unable to produce a match on the bullets, they went "expert hunting" to find someone who would tell them what they wanted to hear. They found him...

    You won't hear these facts from Bugliosi. And Huckster Sienzant remains silent.

    More nonsense refuted...
    It's a head scratcher, isn't it? Multiple eyewitnesses, recovered shells from near the crime scene that match the .38 Oswald was arrested with after pulling it on a cop in the theater, etc. and you guys can't even figure this one out.

    Everyone was out to get little Lee Oswald that fateful day.

    Poor guy.
    Everything they demand to be proved/shown in the JFK assassination is met in the Tippit shooting. Direct eyewitnesses - multiple ones - the murder weapon, et cetera. Do they accept the evidence here? Agree he shot Tippit? Of course not.
    They *could* still argue he didn't shoot JFK. They could claim that he panicked and shot Tippit, that he was fearful of being framed and snapped. But they won't do that. When the conspiracy mind is seized by this vision it's impossible to get rid
    of.
    More proof this is a disease of sorts and not a quest for a greater understanding over what happened that day. Lee is totally innocent of everything that day, including pulling his pistol on the cop in the theater when the arrest was going down. He's
    a tragic American hero in their books.
    *Everything* has to be refuted, rejected. Not one piece of evidence against Oswald will be accepted no matter how small or trivial. They can't say, "Yeah, that looks incriminating but the other evidence clears him. The weight of the other material
    discounts this piece." Nope, can't admit to a single piece.

    They're so invested in their various pet theories that there is no way they would ever admit
    they are wrong no matter how much evidence is presented to them that they are.

    I think most of the 60% of the public who still believed in conspiracy the last time this question
    was polled accept that Oswald was a shooter if not the shooter and that he also killed Tippit.
    Of course they can't tell us what evidence they have of such a shooter other than Oliver Stone's
    "back and to the left, back and to the left" nonsense. The only thing Oliver Stone's movie proved
    is that you can fool some of the people all of the time and all of the people some of the time
    but you can't fool all of the people all of the time.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to chuckschuyler123@gmail.com on Thu Jul 13 15:55:56 2023
    On Thu, 13 Jul 2023 14:28:58 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler <chuckschuyler123@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 3:21:09?PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    (39) The bullets recovered from Tippit's body were consistent with
    being fired from Oswald's .38.

    This is simply another way of saying: "We couldn't honestly state that
    we found any matches". This is one of the biggest stretches the Warren
    Commission made - they knew they had a fairly weak case against
    Oswald, so by framing him with the Tippit killing, they believed that
    they could influence people to believe the killings were somehow
    related.

    But it really makes no sense at all.

    And, it seems redundant to point out that this has NOTHING WHATSOEVER
    TO DO with Oswald, by himself, shooting the President.

    But in my never ending quest to protect B.T. George from the
    insistence that he's a liar, here's the full argument from Bugliosi:

    39. Four bullets were recovered from the body of Officer Tippit. A
    firearms identification expert for the Warren Commission concluded
    that one of the four bullets was fired from Oswald's revolver to the
    exclusion of all other weapons, and another expert acknowledged that
    all four bullets "could have been" fired from the revolver, since the
    bullets recovered from Tippit had the same general characteristic as
    those test-fired from Oswald's revolver-five lands and grooves
    (including the same width of the lands and grooves) with a right
    twist. (Recall that the bullets were .38 Special bullets, not .38
    Smith & Wesson bullets, and the barrel of Oswald's revolver was
    slightly oversized for such a bullet. Therefore, during the passage of
    these slightly smaller bullets through the barrel, the barrel did not
    clearly imprint its signature striations or markings on the sides of
    the bullets to enable a positive identification.)

    When the Warren Commission was unable to produce a match on the
    bullets, they went "expert hunting" to find someone who would tell
    them what they wanted to hear. They found him...

    You won't hear these facts from Bugliosi. And Huckster Sienzant
    remains silent.

    More nonsense refuted...


    It's a head scratcher, isn't it? Multiple eyewitnesses, recovered shells from near the crime scene that match the .38 Oswald was arrested with after pulling it on a cop in the theater, etc. and you guys can't even figure this one out.

    Everyone was out to get little Lee Oswald that fateful day.

    Poor guy.

    Notice that Chuckles couldn't say a *SINGLE THING* to refute my
    refutation of Bugs?

    He knows he can't.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to stevemgalbraith@yahoo.com on Thu Jul 13 15:59:25 2023
    On Thu, 13 Jul 2023 14:49:09 -0700 (PDT), Steven Galbraith <stevemgalbraith@yahoo.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 5:39:31?PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 5:28:59?PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 3:21:09?PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    (39) The bullets recovered from Tippit's body were consistent with
    being fired from Oswald's .38.

    This is simply another way of saying: "We couldn't honestly state that >>>> we found any matches". This is one of the biggest stretches the Warren >>>> Commission made - they knew they had a fairly weak case against
    Oswald, so by framing him with the Tippit killing, they believed that
    they could influence people to believe the killings were somehow
    related.

    But it really makes no sense at all.

    And, it seems redundant to point out that this has NOTHING WHATSOEVER
    TO DO with Oswald, by himself, shooting the President.

    But in my never ending quest to protect B.T. George from the
    insistence that he's a liar, here's the full argument from Bugliosi:

    39. Four bullets were recovered from the body of Officer Tippit. A
    firearms identification expert for the Warren Commission concluded
    that one of the four bullets was fired from Oswald's revolver to the >>>>> exclusion of all other weapons, and another expert acknowledged that >>>>> all four bullets "could have been" fired from the revolver, since the >>>>> bullets recovered from Tippit had the same general characteristic as >>>>> those test-fired from Oswald's revolver-five lands and grooves
    (including the same width of the lands and grooves) with a right
    twist. (Recall that the bullets were .38 Special bullets, not .38
    Smith & Wesson bullets, and the barrel of Oswald's revolver was
    slightly oversized for such a bullet. Therefore, during the passage of >>>>> these slightly smaller bullets through the barrel, the barrel did not >>>>> clearly imprint its signature striations or markings on the sides of >>>>> the bullets to enable a positive identification.)

    When the Warren Commission was unable to produce a match on the
    bullets, they went "expert hunting" to find someone who would tell
    them what they wanted to hear. They found him...

    You won't hear these facts from Bugliosi. And Huckster Sienzant
    remains silent.

    More nonsense refuted...
    It's a head scratcher, isn't it? Multiple eyewitnesses, recovered shells from near the crime scene that match the .38 Oswald was arrested with after pulling it on a cop in the theater, etc. and you guys can't even figure this one out.

    Everyone was out to get little Lee Oswald that fateful day.

    Poor guy.
    Common sense isn't their strong suit.

    The evidence against Oswald...

    Logical fallacy deleted. Steven can't refute what I stated any more
    than Corbutt or Chuckles.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to geowright1963@gmail.com on Thu Jul 13 15:57:15 2023
    On Thu, 13 Jul 2023 14:39:29 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett <geowright1963@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 5:28:59?PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 3:21:09?PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    (39) The bullets recovered from Tippit's body were consistent with
    being fired from Oswald's .38.

    This is simply another way of saying: "We couldn't honestly state that
    we found any matches". This is one of the biggest stretches the Warren
    Commission made - they knew they had a fairly weak case against
    Oswald, so by framing him with the Tippit killing, they believed that
    they could influence people to believe the killings were somehow
    related.

    But it really makes no sense at all.

    And, it seems redundant to point out that this has NOTHING WHATSOEVER
    TO DO with Oswald, by himself, shooting the President.

    But in my never ending quest to protect B.T. George from the
    insistence that he's a liar, here's the full argument from Bugliosi:

    39. Four bullets were recovered from the body of Officer Tippit. A
    firearms identification expert for the Warren Commission concluded
    that one of the four bullets was fired from Oswald's revolver to the
    exclusion of all other weapons, and another expert acknowledged that
    all four bullets "could have been" fired from the revolver, since the
    bullets recovered from Tippit had the same general characteristic as
    those test-fired from Oswald's revolver-five lands and grooves
    (including the same width of the lands and grooves) with a right
    twist. (Recall that the bullets were .38 Special bullets, not .38
    Smith & Wesson bullets, and the barrel of Oswald's revolver was
    slightly oversized for such a bullet. Therefore, during the passage of >>>> these slightly smaller bullets through the barrel, the barrel did not
    clearly imprint its signature striations or markings on the sides of
    the bullets to enable a positive identification.)

    When the Warren Commission was unable to produce a match on the
    bullets, they went "expert hunting" to find someone who would tell
    them what they wanted to hear. They found him...

    You won't hear these facts from Bugliosi. And Huckster Sienzant
    remains silent.

    More nonsense refuted...
    It's a head scratcher, isn't it? Multiple eyewitnesses, recovered shells from near the crime scene that match the .38 Oswald was arrested with after pulling it on a cop in the theater, etc. and you guys can't even figure this one out.

    Everyone was out to get little Lee Oswald that fateful day.

    Poor guy.

    Common sense isn't their strong suit.

    Corbutt knows he can't refute what I posted either... so he piles on
    the logical fallacies...

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Steven Galbraith@21:1/5 to Chuck Schuyler on Thu Jul 13 15:25:34 2023
    On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 5:49:35 PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 4:42:18 PM UTC-5, Steven Galbraith wrote:
    On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 5:28:59 PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 3:21:09 PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    (39) The bullets recovered from Tippit's body were consistent with being fired from Oswald's .38.

    This is simply another way of saying: "We couldn't honestly state that we found any matches". This is one of the biggest stretches the Warren Commission made - they knew they had a fairly weak case against Oswald, so by framing him with the Tippit killing, they believed that they could influence people to believe the killings were somehow related.

    But it really makes no sense at all.

    And, it seems redundant to point out that this has NOTHING WHATSOEVER TO DO with Oswald, by himself, shooting the President.

    But in my never ending quest to protect B.T. George from the insistence that he's a liar, here's the full argument from Bugliosi:

    39. Four bullets were recovered from the body of Officer Tippit. A firearms identification expert for the Warren Commission concluded that one of the four bullets was fired from Oswald's revolver to the exclusion of all other weapons, and another expert acknowledged that all four bullets "could have been" fired from the revolver, since the
    bullets recovered from Tippit had the same general characteristic as those test-fired from Oswald's revolver-five lands and grooves (including the same width of the lands and grooves) with a right twist. (Recall that the bullets were .38 Special bullets, not .38 Smith & Wesson bullets, and the barrel of Oswald's revolver was slightly oversized for such a bullet. Therefore, during the passage of
    these slightly smaller bullets through the barrel, the barrel did not
    clearly imprint its signature striations or markings on the sides of the bullets to enable a positive identification.)

    When the Warren Commission was unable to produce a match on the bullets, they went "expert hunting" to find someone who would tell them what they wanted to hear. They found him...

    You won't hear these facts from Bugliosi. And Huckster Sienzant remains silent.

    More nonsense refuted...
    It's a head scratcher, isn't it? Multiple eyewitnesses, recovered shells from near the crime scene that match the .38 Oswald was arrested with after pulling it on a cop in the theater, etc. and you guys can't even figure this one out.

    Everyone was out to get little Lee Oswald that fateful day.

    Poor guy.
    Everything they demand to be proved/shown in the JFK assassination is met in the Tippit shooting. Direct eyewitnesses - multiple ones - the murder weapon, et cetera. Do they accept the evidence here? Agree he shot Tippit? Of course not.
    They *could* still argue he didn't shoot JFK. They could claim that he panicked and shot Tippit, that he was fearful of being framed and snapped. But they won't do that. When the conspiracy mind is seized by this vision it's impossible to get rid of.
    More proof this is a disease of sorts and not a quest for a greater understanding over what happened that day. Lee is totally innocent of everything that day, including pulling his pistol on the cop in the theater when the arrest was going down. He's a
    tragic American hero in their books.
    Oswald as an American Alfred Dreyfus. Framed by the militarist war mongers in the government since JFK was going to lead the country into peace with Moscow and Hanoi. It's almost biblical.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to chuckschuyler123@gmail.com on Thu Jul 13 16:01:29 2023
    On Thu, 13 Jul 2023 14:51:21 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler <chuckschuyler123@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 4:39:31?PM UTC-5, John Corbett wrote:
    On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 5:28:59?PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 3:21:09?PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    (39) The bullets recovered from Tippit's body were consistent with
    being fired from Oswald's .38.

    This is simply another way of saying: "We couldn't honestly state that >>>> we found any matches". This is one of the biggest stretches the Warren >>>> Commission made - they knew they had a fairly weak case against
    Oswald, so by framing him with the Tippit killing, they believed that
    they could influence people to believe the killings were somehow
    related.

    But it really makes no sense at all.

    And, it seems redundant to point out that this has NOTHING WHATSOEVER
    TO DO with Oswald, by himself, shooting the President.

    But in my never ending quest to protect B.T. George from the
    insistence that he's a liar, here's the full argument from Bugliosi:

    39. Four bullets were recovered from the body of Officer Tippit. A
    firearms identification expert for the Warren Commission concluded
    that one of the four bullets was fired from Oswald's revolver to the >>>>> exclusion of all other weapons, and another expert acknowledged that >>>>> all four bullets "could have been" fired from the revolver, since the >>>>> bullets recovered from Tippit had the same general characteristic as >>>>> those test-fired from Oswald's revolver-five lands and grooves
    (including the same width of the lands and grooves) with a right
    twist. (Recall that the bullets were .38 Special bullets, not .38
    Smith & Wesson bullets, and the barrel of Oswald's revolver was
    slightly oversized for such a bullet. Therefore, during the passage of >>>>> these slightly smaller bullets through the barrel, the barrel did not >>>>> clearly imprint its signature striations or markings on the sides of >>>>> the bullets to enable a positive identification.)

    When the Warren Commission was unable to produce a match on the
    bullets, they went "expert hunting" to find someone who would tell
    them what they wanted to hear. They found him...

    You won't hear these facts from Bugliosi. And Huckster Sienzant
    remains silent.

    Logical fallacies deleted. Although Chuckles already proved he
    couldn't defend Bugs... he needs to prove it again for some wacky
    reason.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to stevemgalbraith@yahoo.com on Thu Jul 13 16:05:38 2023
    On Thu, 13 Jul 2023 14:54:59 -0700 (PDT), Steven Galbraith <stevemgalbraith@yahoo.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 5:49:35?PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 4:42:18?PM UTC-5, Steven Galbraith wrote:
    On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 5:28:59?PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 3:21:09?PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    (39) The bullets recovered from Tippit's body were consistent with
    being fired from Oswald's .38.

    This is simply another way of saying: "We couldn't honestly state that >>>>> we found any matches". This is one of the biggest stretches the Warren >>>>> Commission made - they knew they had a fairly weak case against
    Oswald, so by framing him with the Tippit killing, they believed that >>>>> they could influence people to believe the killings were somehow
    related.

    But it really makes no sense at all.

    And, it seems redundant to point out that this has NOTHING WHATSOEVER >>>>> TO DO with Oswald, by himself, shooting the President.

    But in my never ending quest to protect B.T. George from the
    insistence that he's a liar, here's the full argument from Bugliosi: >>>>>
    39. Four bullets were recovered from the body of Officer Tippit. A >>>>>> firearms identification expert for the Warren Commission concluded >>>>>> that one of the four bullets was fired from Oswald's revolver to the >>>>>> exclusion of all other weapons, and another expert acknowledged that >>>>>> all four bullets "could have been" fired from the revolver, since the >>>>>> bullets recovered from Tippit had the same general characteristic as >>>>>> those test-fired from Oswald's revolver-five lands and grooves
    (including the same width of the lands and grooves) with a right
    twist. (Recall that the bullets were .38 Special bullets, not .38
    Smith & Wesson bullets, and the barrel of Oswald's revolver was
    slightly oversized for such a bullet. Therefore, during the passage of >>>>>> these slightly smaller bullets through the barrel, the barrel did not >>>>>> clearly imprint its signature striations or markings on the sides of >>>>>> the bullets to enable a positive identification.)

    When the Warren Commission was unable to produce a match on the
    bullets, they went "expert hunting" to find someone who would tell
    them what they wanted to hear. They found him...

    You won't hear these facts from Bugliosi. And Huckster Sienzant
    remains silent.

    *Everything* has to be refuted, rejected....

    How many more times are you going to prove you can't defend Bugs from
    my refutation, Steven?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to geowright1963@gmail.com on Thu Jul 13 16:06:26 2023
    On Thu, 13 Jul 2023 15:03:42 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett <geowright1963@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 5:55:00?PM UTC-4, Steven Galbraith wrote:
    On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 5:49:35?PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 4:42:18?PM UTC-5, Steven Galbraith wrote: >>>> On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 5:28:59?PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote: >>>>> On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 3:21:09?PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    (39) The bullets recovered from Tippit's body were consistent with >>>>>> being fired from Oswald's .38.

    This is simply another way of saying: "We couldn't honestly state that >>>>>> we found any matches". This is one of the biggest stretches the Warren >>>>>> Commission made - they knew they had a fairly weak case against
    Oswald, so by framing him with the Tippit killing, they believed that >>>>>> they could influence people to believe the killings were somehow
    related.

    But it really makes no sense at all.

    And, it seems redundant to point out that this has NOTHING WHATSOEVER >>>>>> TO DO with Oswald, by himself, shooting the President.

    But in my never ending quest to protect B.T. George from the
    insistence that he's a liar, here's the full argument from Bugliosi: >>>>>>
    39. Four bullets were recovered from the body of Officer Tippit. A >>>>>>> firearms identification expert for the Warren Commission concluded >>>>>>> that one of the four bullets was fired from Oswald's revolver to the >>>>>>> exclusion of all other weapons, and another expert acknowledged that >>>>>>> all four bullets "could have been" fired from the revolver, since the >>>>>>> bullets recovered from Tippit had the same general characteristic as >>>>>>> those test-fired from Oswald's revolver-five lands and grooves
    (including the same width of the lands and grooves) with a right >>>>>>> twist. (Recall that the bullets were .38 Special bullets, not .38 >>>>>>> Smith & Wesson bullets, and the barrel of Oswald's revolver was
    slightly oversized for such a bullet. Therefore, during the passage of >>>>>>> these slightly smaller bullets through the barrel, the barrel did not >>>>>>> clearly imprint its signature striations or markings on the sides of >>>>>>> the bullets to enable a positive identification.)

    When the Warren Commission was unable to produce a match on the
    bullets, they went "expert hunting" to find someone who would tell >>>>>> them what they wanted to hear. They found him...

    You won't hear these facts from Bugliosi. And Huckster Sienzant
    remains silent.


    Logical fallacies deleted.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to stevemgalbraith@yahoo.com on Thu Jul 13 16:02:34 2023
    On Thu, 13 Jul 2023 14:42:17 -0700 (PDT), Steven Galbraith <stevemgalbraith@yahoo.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 5:28:59?PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 3:21:09?PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    (39) The bullets recovered from Tippit's body were consistent with
    being fired from Oswald's .38.

    This is simply another way of saying: "We couldn't honestly state that
    we found any matches". This is one of the biggest stretches the Warren
    Commission made - they knew they had a fairly weak case against
    Oswald, so by framing him with the Tippit killing, they believed that
    they could influence people to believe the killings were somehow
    related.

    But it really makes no sense at all.

    And, it seems redundant to point out that this has NOTHING WHATSOEVER
    TO DO with Oswald, by himself, shooting the President.

    But in my never ending quest to protect B.T. George from the
    insistence that he's a liar, here's the full argument from Bugliosi:

    39. Four bullets were recovered from the body of Officer Tippit. A
    firearms identification expert for the Warren Commission concluded
    that one of the four bullets was fired from Oswald's revolver to the
    exclusion of all other weapons, and another expert acknowledged that
    all four bullets "could have been" fired from the revolver, since the
    bullets recovered from Tippit had the same general characteristic as
    those test-fired from Oswald's revolver-five lands and grooves
    (including the same width of the lands and grooves) with a right
    twist. (Recall that the bullets were .38 Special bullets, not .38
    Smith & Wesson bullets, and the barrel of Oswald's revolver was
    slightly oversized for such a bullet. Therefore, during the passage of >>>> these slightly smaller bullets through the barrel, the barrel did not
    clearly imprint its signature striations or markings on the sides of
    the bullets to enable a positive identification.)

    When the Warren Commission was unable to produce a match on the
    bullets, they went "expert hunting" to find someone who would tell
    them what they wanted to hear. They found him...

    You won't hear these facts from Bugliosi. And Huckster Sienzant
    remains silent.

    Everything they demand ...

    Steven AGAIN runs from the post.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to chuckschuyler123@gmail.com on Thu Jul 13 16:04:18 2023
    On Thu, 13 Jul 2023 14:49:34 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler <chuckschuyler123@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 4:42:18?PM UTC-5, Steven Galbraith wrote:
    On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 5:28:59?PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 3:21:09?PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    (39) The bullets recovered from Tippit's body were consistent with
    being fired from Oswald's .38.

    This is simply another way of saying: "We couldn't honestly state that >>>> we found any matches". This is one of the biggest stretches the Warren >>>> Commission made - they knew they had a fairly weak case against
    Oswald, so by framing him with the Tippit killing, they believed that
    they could influence people to believe the killings were somehow
    related.

    But it really makes no sense at all.

    And, it seems redundant to point out that this has NOTHING WHATSOEVER
    TO DO with Oswald, by himself, shooting the President.

    But in my never ending quest to protect B.T. George from the
    insistence that he's a liar, here's the full argument from Bugliosi:

    39. Four bullets were recovered from the body of Officer Tippit. A
    firearms identification expert for the Warren Commission concluded
    that one of the four bullets was fired from Oswald's revolver to the >>>>> exclusion of all other weapons, and another expert acknowledged that >>>>> all four bullets "could have been" fired from the revolver, since the >>>>> bullets recovered from Tippit had the same general characteristic as >>>>> those test-fired from Oswald's revolver-five lands and grooves
    (including the same width of the lands and grooves) with a right
    twist. (Recall that the bullets were .38 Special bullets, not .38
    Smith & Wesson bullets, and the barrel of Oswald's revolver was
    slightly oversized for such a bullet. Therefore, during the passage of >>>>> these slightly smaller bullets through the barrel, the barrel did not >>>>> clearly imprint its signature striations or markings on the sides of >>>>> the bullets to enable a positive identification.)

    When the Warren Commission was unable to produce a match on the
    bullets, they went "expert hunting" to find someone who would tell
    them what they wanted to hear. They found him...

    You won't hear these facts from Bugliosi. And Huckster Sienzant
    remains silent.

    More proof ...

    That you can't refute my refutation? None needed, no-one expected you
    to know the evidence enough to defend Bugs.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to stevemgalbraith@yahoo.com on Thu Jul 13 16:07:37 2023
    On Thu, 13 Jul 2023 15:25:34 -0700 (PDT), Steven Galbraith <stevemgalbraith@yahoo.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 5:49:35?PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 4:42:18?PM UTC-5, Steven Galbraith wrote:
    On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 5:28:59?PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 3:21:09?PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    (39) The bullets recovered from Tippit's body were consistent with
    being fired from Oswald's .38.

    This is simply another way of saying: "We couldn't honestly state that >>>>> we found any matches". This is one of the biggest stretches the Warren >>>>> Commission made - they knew they had a fairly weak case against
    Oswald, so by framing him with the Tippit killing, they believed that >>>>> they could influence people to believe the killings were somehow
    related.

    But it really makes no sense at all.

    And, it seems redundant to point out that this has NOTHING WHATSOEVER >>>>> TO DO with Oswald, by himself, shooting the President.

    But in my never ending quest to protect B.T. George from the
    insistence that he's a liar, here's the full argument from Bugliosi: >>>>>
    39. Four bullets were recovered from the body of Officer Tippit. A >>>>>> firearms identification expert for the Warren Commission concluded >>>>>> that one of the four bullets was fired from Oswald's revolver to the >>>>>> exclusion of all other weapons, and another expert acknowledged that >>>>>> all four bullets "could have been" fired from the revolver, since the >>>>>> bullets recovered from Tippit had the same general characteristic as >>>>>> those test-fired from Oswald's revolver-five lands and grooves
    (including the same width of the lands and grooves) with a right
    twist. (Recall that the bullets were .38 Special bullets, not .38
    Smith & Wesson bullets, and the barrel of Oswald's revolver was
    slightly oversized for such a bullet. Therefore, during the passage of >>>>>> these slightly smaller bullets through the barrel, the barrel did not >>>>>> clearly imprint its signature striations or markings on the sides of >>>>>> the bullets to enable a positive identification.)

    When the Warren Commission was unable to produce a match on the
    bullets, they went "expert hunting" to find someone who would tell
    them what they wanted to hear. They found him...

    You won't hear these facts from Bugliosi. And Huckster Sienzant
    remains silent.

    More logical fallacies deleted. Poor Steven!!

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to geowright1963@gmail.com on Thu Jul 13 16:08:36 2023
    On Thu, 13 Jul 2023 14:57:49 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett <geowright1963@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 5:42:18?PM UTC-4, Steven Galbraith wrote:
    On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 5:28:59?PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 3:21:09?PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    (39) The bullets recovered from Tippit's body were consistent with
    being fired from Oswald's .38.

    This is simply another way of saying: "We couldn't honestly state that >>>> we found any matches". This is one of the biggest stretches the Warren >>>> Commission made - they knew they had a fairly weak case against
    Oswald, so by framing him with the Tippit killing, they believed that
    they could influence people to believe the killings were somehow
    related.

    But it really makes no sense at all.

    And, it seems redundant to point out that this has NOTHING WHATSOEVER
    TO DO with Oswald, by himself, shooting the President.

    But in my never ending quest to protect B.T. George from the
    insistence that he's a liar, here's the full argument from Bugliosi:

    39. Four bullets were recovered from the body of Officer Tippit. A
    firearms identification expert for the Warren Commission concluded
    that one of the four bullets was fired from Oswald's revolver to the >>>>> exclusion of all other weapons, and another expert acknowledged that >>>>> all four bullets "could have been" fired from the revolver, since the >>>>> bullets recovered from Tippit had the same general characteristic as >>>>> those test-fired from Oswald's revolver-five lands and grooves
    (including the same width of the lands and grooves) with a right
    twist. (Recall that the bullets were .38 Special bullets, not .38
    Smith & Wesson bullets, and the barrel of Oswald's revolver was
    slightly oversized for such a bullet. Therefore, during the passage of >>>>> these slightly smaller bullets through the barrel, the barrel did not >>>>> clearly imprint its signature striations or markings on the sides of >>>>> the bullets to enable a positive identification.)

    When the Warren Commission was unable to produce a match on the
    bullets, they went "expert hunting" to find someone who would tell
    them what they wanted to hear. They found him...

    You won't hear these facts from Bugliosi. And Huckster Sienzant
    remains silent.

    More nonsense refuted...

    More logical fallacies deleted... such AMAZING cowardice!!!

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to Admin@ConspiracyJFKForum.com on Thu Jul 13 16:11:32 2023
    On Thu, 13 Jul 2023 13:21:05 -0700, Ben Holmes
    <Admin@ConspiracyJFKForum.com> wrote:

    (39) The bullets recovered from Tippit's body were consistent with
    being fired from Oswald's .38.

    This is simply another way of saying: "We couldn't honestly state that
    we found any matches". This is one of the biggest stretches the Warren >Commission made - they knew they had a fairly weak case against
    Oswald, so by framing him with the Tippit killing, they believed that
    they could influence people to believe the killings were somehow
    related.

    But it really makes no sense at all.

    And, it seems redundant to point out that this has NOTHING WHATSOEVER
    TO DO with Oswald, by himself, shooting the President.

    But in my never ending quest to protect B.T. George from the
    insistence that he's a liar, here's the full argument from Bugliosi:

    39. Four bullets were recovered from the body of Officer Tippit. A
    firearms identification expert for the Warren Commission concluded
    that one of the four bullets was fired from Oswald's revolver to the
    exclusion of all other weapons, and another expert acknowledged that
    all four bullets "could have been" fired from the revolver, since the
    bullets recovered from Tippit had the same general characteristic as
    those test-fired from Oswald's revolver-five lands and grooves
    (including the same width of the lands and grooves) with a right
    twist. (Recall that the bullets were .38 Special bullets, not .38
    Smith & Wesson bullets, and the barrel of Oswald's revolver was
    slightly oversized for such a bullet. Therefore, during the passage of
    these slightly smaller bullets through the barrel, the barrel did not
    clearly imprint its signature striations or markings on the sides of
    the bullets to enable a positive identification.)

    When the Warren Commission was unable to produce a match on the
    bullets, they went "expert hunting" to find someone who would tell
    them what they wanted to hear. They found him...

    You won't hear these facts from Bugliosi. And Huckster Sienzant
    remains silent.

    More nonsense refuted...


    11 responses, and not *ONE* of them addressing what I posted.

    Such AMAZING cowardice!!!

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to stevemgalbraith@yahoo.com on Thu Jul 13 16:09:48 2023
    On Thu, 13 Jul 2023 15:04:08 -0700 (PDT), Steven Galbraith <stevemgalbraith@yahoo.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 5:57:50?PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 5:42:18?PM UTC-4, Steven Galbraith wrote:
    On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 5:28:59?PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 3:21:09?PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    (39) The bullets recovered from Tippit's body were consistent with
    being fired from Oswald's .38.

    This is simply another way of saying: "We couldn't honestly state that >>>>> we found any matches". This is one of the biggest stretches the Warren >>>>> Commission made - they knew they had a fairly weak case against
    Oswald, so by framing him with the Tippit killing, they believed that >>>>> they could influence people to believe the killings were somehow
    related.

    But it really makes no sense at all.

    And, it seems redundant to point out that this has NOTHING WHATSOEVER >>>>> TO DO with Oswald, by himself, shooting the President.

    But in my never ending quest to protect B.T. George from the
    insistence that he's a liar, here's the full argument from Bugliosi: >>>>>
    39. Four bullets were recovered from the body of Officer Tippit. A >>>>>> firearms identification expert for the Warren Commission concluded >>>>>> that one of the four bullets was fired from Oswald's revolver to the >>>>>> exclusion of all other weapons, and another expert acknowledged that >>>>>> all four bullets "could have been" fired from the revolver, since the >>>>>> bullets recovered from Tippit had the same general characteristic as >>>>>> those test-fired from Oswald's revolver-five lands and grooves
    (including the same width of the lands and grooves) with a right
    twist. (Recall that the bullets were .38 Special bullets, not .38
    Smith & Wesson bullets, and the barrel of Oswald's revolver was
    slightly oversized for such a bullet. Therefore, during the passage of >>>>>> these slightly smaller bullets through the barrel, the barrel did not >>>>>> clearly imprint its signature striations or markings on the sides of >>>>>> the bullets to enable a positive identification.)

    When the Warren Commission was unable to produce a match on the
    bullets, they went "expert hunting" to find someone who would tell
    them what they wanted to hear. They found him...

    You won't hear these facts from Bugliosi. And Huckster Sienzant
    remains silent.

    More cowardice from Steven deleted...

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  • From John Corbett@21:1/5 to Steven Galbraith on Thu Jul 13 16:17:45 2023
    On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 6:04:10 PM UTC-4, Steven Galbraith wrote:
    On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 5:57:50 PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 5:42:18 PM UTC-4, Steven Galbraith wrote:
    On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 5:28:59 PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 3:21:09 PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    (39) The bullets recovered from Tippit's body were consistent with being fired from Oswald's .38.

    This is simply another way of saying: "We couldn't honestly state that
    we found any matches". This is one of the biggest stretches the Warren
    Commission made - they knew they had a fairly weak case against Oswald, so by framing him with the Tippit killing, they believed that
    they could influence people to believe the killings were somehow related.

    But it really makes no sense at all.

    And, it seems redundant to point out that this has NOTHING WHATSOEVER
    TO DO with Oswald, by himself, shooting the President.

    But in my never ending quest to protect B.T. George from the insistence that he's a liar, here's the full argument from Bugliosi:

    39. Four bullets were recovered from the body of Officer Tippit. A firearms identification expert for the Warren Commission concluded that one of the four bullets was fired from Oswald's revolver to the
    exclusion of all other weapons, and another expert acknowledged that
    all four bullets "could have been" fired from the revolver, since the
    bullets recovered from Tippit had the same general characteristic as
    those test-fired from Oswald's revolver-five lands and grooves (including the same width of the lands and grooves) with a right twist. (Recall that the bullets were .38 Special bullets, not .38 Smith & Wesson bullets, and the barrel of Oswald's revolver was slightly oversized for such a bullet. Therefore, during the passage of
    these slightly smaller bullets through the barrel, the barrel did not
    clearly imprint its signature striations or markings on the sides of
    the bullets to enable a positive identification.)

    When the Warren Commission was unable to produce a match on the bullets, they went "expert hunting" to find someone who would tell them what they wanted to hear. They found him...

    You won't hear these facts from Bugliosi. And Huckster Sienzant remains silent.

    More nonsense refuted...
    It's a head scratcher, isn't it? Multiple eyewitnesses, recovered shells from near the crime scene that match the .38 Oswald was arrested with after pulling it on a cop in the theater, etc. and you guys can't even figure this one out.

    Everyone was out to get little Lee Oswald that fateful day.

    Poor guy.
    Everything they demand to be proved/shown in the JFK assassination is met in the Tippit shooting. Direct eyewitnesses - multiple ones - the murder weapon, et cetera. Do they accept the evidence here? Agree he shot Tippit? Of course not.
    They *could* still argue he didn't shoot JFK. They could claim that he panicked and shot Tippit, that he was fearful of being framed and snapped. But they won't do that. When the conspiracy mind is seized by this vision it's impossible to get rid
    of.
    I'm going from memory here but I think Marsh was one of those who conceded Oswald shot
    Tippit but not JFK.

    I would bet that if you polled the people who believe in conspiracy, they would tell you they
    believe Oswald shot both JFK and JDT but that he was part of a conspiracy and not the sole
    shooter. That position is actually theoretically possible even though there is no evidence for
    such a conspiracy. I don't believe that for a minute, but it can't be completely ruled out.
    Right, he said he shot Tippit because he was fearful of being arrested for the Walker shooting. Gotta' admit, it's original.
    As to the poll: I can't recall that breakdown; e.g., what percentage thought he had no involvement at all.
    Look, if you ask people whether there was a conspiracy in the murder of President Millard Taft you'd have a plurality if not majority saying yes. Even though there was no President Millard Taft. The funny thing is that I see increasing numbers of
    people on the political hard Right saying that they think the CIA killed JFK. Tucker Carlson types.

    And Glenn Beck. He recently came out as a CT.

    I've never seen a definitive connection between political orientation and JFK conspiracy belief.
    People across the political spectrum are on both sides of the debate. If anything, CTs might be
    a little more likely to be liberal but it's by no means a rule. Vincent Bugliosi was as liberal as they
    come. He advocated for George W. Bush to be prosecuted as a war criminal. Then there's our
    own Gil Jesus who seems very conservative in his political outlook but is as hardcore a CT as
    there is. Suffice it to say CTs and LNs both come in all political stripes.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to geowright1963@gmail.com on Thu Jul 13 16:25:11 2023
    On Thu, 13 Jul 2023 16:17:45 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett <geowright1963@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 6:04:10?PM UTC-4, Steven Galbraith wrote:
    On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 5:57:50?PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 5:42:18?PM UTC-4, Steven Galbraith wrote: >>>> On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 5:28:59?PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote: >>>>> On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 3:21:09?PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    (39) The bullets recovered from Tippit's body were consistent with >>>>>> being fired from Oswald's .38.

    This is simply another way of saying: "We couldn't honestly state that >>>>>> we found any matches". This is one of the biggest stretches the Warren >>>>>> Commission made - they knew they had a fairly weak case against
    Oswald, so by framing him with the Tippit killing, they believed that >>>>>> they could influence people to believe the killings were somehow
    related.

    But it really makes no sense at all.

    And, it seems redundant to point out that this has NOTHING WHATSOEVER >>>>>> TO DO with Oswald, by himself, shooting the President.

    But in my never ending quest to protect B.T. George from the
    insistence that he's a liar, here's the full argument from Bugliosi: >>>>>>
    39. Four bullets were recovered from the body of Officer Tippit. A >>>>>>> firearms identification expert for the Warren Commission concluded >>>>>>> that one of the four bullets was fired from Oswald's revolver to the >>>>>>> exclusion of all other weapons, and another expert acknowledged that >>>>>>> all four bullets "could have been" fired from the revolver, since the >>>>>>> bullets recovered from Tippit had the same general characteristic as >>>>>>> those test-fired from Oswald's revolver-five lands and grooves
    (including the same width of the lands and grooves) with a right >>>>>>> twist. (Recall that the bullets were .38 Special bullets, not .38 >>>>>>> Smith & Wesson bullets, and the barrel of Oswald's revolver was
    slightly oversized for such a bullet. Therefore, during the passage of >>>>>>> these slightly smaller bullets through the barrel, the barrel did not >>>>>>> clearly imprint its signature striations or markings on the sides of >>>>>>> the bullets to enable a positive identification.)

    When the Warren Commission was unable to produce a match on the
    bullets, they went "expert hunting" to find someone who would tell >>>>>> them what they wanted to hear. They found him...

    You won't hear these facts from Bugliosi. And Huckster Sienzant
    remains silent.

    More nonsense refuted...

    Logical fallacies deleted... 13 posts now without a single attempt to
    refute my refutation...

    Clearly, everyone knows that they lost.

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  • From Bud@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Thu Jul 13 16:54:56 2023
    On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 7:25:15 PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 13 Jul 2023 16:17:45 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett
    <geowri...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 6:04:10?PM UTC-4, Steven Galbraith wrote:
    On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 5:57:50?PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 5:42:18?PM UTC-4, Steven Galbraith wrote: >>>> On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 5:28:59?PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote: >>>>> On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 3:21:09?PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote: >>>>>> (39) The bullets recovered from Tippit's body were consistent with >>>>>> being fired from Oswald's .38.

    This is simply another way of saying: "We couldn't honestly state that
    we found any matches". This is one of the biggest stretches the Warren
    Commission made - they knew they had a fairly weak case against >>>>>> Oswald, so by framing him with the Tippit killing, they believed that >>>>>> they could influence people to believe the killings were somehow >>>>>> related.

    But it really makes no sense at all.

    And, it seems redundant to point out that this has NOTHING WHATSOEVER >>>>>> TO DO with Oswald, by himself, shooting the President.

    But in my never ending quest to protect B.T. George from the
    insistence that he's a liar, here's the full argument from Bugliosi: >>>>>>
    39. Four bullets were recovered from the body of Officer Tippit. A >>>>>>> firearms identification expert for the Warren Commission concluded >>>>>>> that one of the four bullets was fired from Oswald's revolver to the >>>>>>> exclusion of all other weapons, and another expert acknowledged that >>>>>>> all four bullets "could have been" fired from the revolver, since the
    bullets recovered from Tippit had the same general characteristic as >>>>>>> those test-fired from Oswald's revolver-five lands and grooves >>>>>>> (including the same width of the lands and grooves) with a right >>>>>>> twist. (Recall that the bullets were .38 Special bullets, not .38 >>>>>>> Smith & Wesson bullets, and the barrel of Oswald's revolver was >>>>>>> slightly oversized for such a bullet. Therefore, during the passage of
    these slightly smaller bullets through the barrel, the barrel did not
    clearly imprint its signature striations or markings on the sides of >>>>>>> the bullets to enable a positive identification.)

    When the Warren Commission was unable to produce a match on the >>>>>> bullets, they went "expert hunting" to find someone who would tell >>>>>> them what they wanted to hear. They found him...

    You won't hear these facts from Bugliosi. And Huckster Sienzant >>>>>> remains silent.

    More nonsense refuted...
    Logical fallacies deleted... 13 posts now without a single attempt to
    refute my refutation...

    Who said you refuted anything?

    Clearly, everyone knows that they lost.

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  • From Bud@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Thu Jul 13 16:22:12 2023
    On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 7:04:21 PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 13 Jul 2023 14:49:34 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler <chucksch...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 4:42:18?PM UTC-5, Steven Galbraith wrote:
    On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 5:28:59?PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 3:21:09?PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    (39) The bullets recovered from Tippit's body were consistent with
    being fired from Oswald's .38.

    This is simply another way of saying: "We couldn't honestly state that >>>> we found any matches". This is one of the biggest stretches the Warren >>>> Commission made - they knew they had a fairly weak case against
    Oswald, so by framing him with the Tippit killing, they believed that >>>> they could influence people to believe the killings were somehow
    related.

    But it really makes no sense at all.

    And, it seems redundant to point out that this has NOTHING WHATSOEVER >>>> TO DO with Oswald, by himself, shooting the President.

    But in my never ending quest to protect B.T. George from the
    insistence that he's a liar, here's the full argument from Bugliosi: >>>>
    39. Four bullets were recovered from the body of Officer Tippit. A >>>>> firearms identification expert for the Warren Commission concluded >>>>> that one of the four bullets was fired from Oswald's revolver to the >>>>> exclusion of all other weapons, and another expert acknowledged that >>>>> all four bullets "could have been" fired from the revolver, since the >>>>> bullets recovered from Tippit had the same general characteristic as >>>>> those test-fired from Oswald's revolver-five lands and grooves
    (including the same width of the lands and grooves) with a right
    twist. (Recall that the bullets were .38 Special bullets, not .38 >>>>> Smith & Wesson bullets, and the barrel of Oswald's revolver was
    slightly oversized for such a bullet. Therefore, during the passage of >>>>> these slightly smaller bullets through the barrel, the barrel did not >>>>> clearly imprint its signature striations or markings on the sides of >>>>> the bullets to enable a positive identification.)

    When the Warren Commission was unable to produce a match on the
    bullets, they went "expert hunting" to find someone who would tell
    them what they wanted to hear. They found him...

    You won't hear these facts from Bugliosi. And Huckster Sienzant
    remains silent.

    More proof ...

    That you can't refute my refutation? None needed, no-one expected you
    to know the evidence enough to defend Bugs.

    You`re delusional that you refuted anything.

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  • From Chuck Schuyler@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Thu Jul 13 17:11:54 2023
    On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 5:56:00 PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 13 Jul 2023 14:28:58 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler <chucksch...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 3:21:09?PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    (39) The bullets recovered from Tippit's body were consistent with
    being fired from Oswald's .38.

    This is simply another way of saying: "We couldn't honestly state that
    we found any matches". This is one of the biggest stretches the Warren
    Commission made - they knew they had a fairly weak case against
    Oswald, so by framing him with the Tippit killing, they believed that
    they could influence people to believe the killings were somehow
    related.

    But it really makes no sense at all.

    And, it seems redundant to point out that this has NOTHING WHATSOEVER
    TO DO with Oswald, by himself, shooting the President.

    But in my never ending quest to protect B.T. George from the
    insistence that he's a liar, here's the full argument from Bugliosi:

    39. Four bullets were recovered from the body of Officer Tippit. A
    firearms identification expert for the Warren Commission concluded
    that one of the four bullets was fired from Oswald's revolver to the
    exclusion of all other weapons, and another expert acknowledged that
    all four bullets "could have been" fired from the revolver, since the >>> bullets recovered from Tippit had the same general characteristic as
    those test-fired from Oswald's revolver-five lands and grooves
    (including the same width of the lands and grooves) with a right
    twist. (Recall that the bullets were .38 Special bullets, not .38
    Smith & Wesson bullets, and the barrel of Oswald's revolver was
    slightly oversized for such a bullet. Therefore, during the passage of >>> these slightly smaller bullets through the barrel, the barrel did not >>> clearly imprint its signature striations or markings on the sides of
    the bullets to enable a positive identification.)

    When the Warren Commission was unable to produce a match on the
    bullets, they went "expert hunting" to find someone who would tell
    them what they wanted to hear. They found him...

    You won't hear these facts from Bugliosi. And Huckster Sienzant
    remains silent.

    More nonsense refuted...


    It's a head scratcher, isn't it? Multiple eyewitnesses, recovered shells from near the crime scene that match the .38 Oswald was arrested with after pulling it on a cop in the theater, etc. and you guys can't even figure this one out.

    Everyone was out to get little Lee Oswald that fateful day.

    Poor guy.

    Notice that Chuckles couldn't say a *SINGLE THING* to refute my
    refutation of Bugs?

    I hereby announce that I refute your supposed refutation.

    There.

    Now what?

    He knows he can't.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to chuckschuyler123@gmail.com on Fri Jul 14 07:04:13 2023
    On Thu, 13 Jul 2023 17:11:54 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler <chuckschuyler123@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 5:56:00?PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 13 Jul 2023 14:28:58 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler
    <chucksch...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 3:21:09?PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    (39) The bullets recovered from Tippit's body were consistent with
    being fired from Oswald's .38.

    This is simply another way of saying: "We couldn't honestly state that >>>> we found any matches". This is one of the biggest stretches the Warren >>>> Commission made - they knew they had a fairly weak case against
    Oswald, so by framing him with the Tippit killing, they believed that
    they could influence people to believe the killings were somehow
    related.

    But it really makes no sense at all.

    And, it seems redundant to point out that this has NOTHING WHATSOEVER
    TO DO with Oswald, by himself, shooting the President.

    But in my never ending quest to protect B.T. George from the
    insistence that he's a liar, here's the full argument from Bugliosi:

    39. Four bullets were recovered from the body of Officer Tippit. A
    firearms identification expert for the Warren Commission concluded
    that one of the four bullets was fired from Oswald's revolver to the >>>>> exclusion of all other weapons, and another expert acknowledged that >>>>> all four bullets "could have been" fired from the revolver, since the >>>>> bullets recovered from Tippit had the same general characteristic as >>>>> those test-fired from Oswald's revolver-five lands and grooves
    (including the same width of the lands and grooves) with a right
    twist. (Recall that the bullets were .38 Special bullets, not .38
    Smith & Wesson bullets, and the barrel of Oswald's revolver was
    slightly oversized for such a bullet. Therefore, during the passage of >>>>> these slightly smaller bullets through the barrel, the barrel did not >>>>> clearly imprint its signature striations or markings on the sides of >>>>> the bullets to enable a positive identification.)

    When the Warren Commission was unable to produce a match on the
    bullets, they went "expert hunting" to find someone who would tell
    them what they wanted to hear. They found him...

    You won't hear these facts from Bugliosi. And Huckster Sienzant
    remains silent.

    More nonsense refuted...


    It's a head scratcher, isn't it? Multiple eyewitnesses, recovered shells from near the crime scene that match the .38 Oswald was arrested with after pulling it on a cop in the theater, etc. and you guys can't even figure this one out.

    Everyone was out to get little Lee Oswald that fateful day.

    Poor guy.

    Notice that Chuckles couldn't say a *SINGLE THING* to refute my
    refutation of Bugs?

    I hereby announce that I refute your supposed refutation.


    Is that all it takes? Okay... I hereby announce that you're a moron
    trying to identify as a human being.

    But Bugs is still refuted, using facts, logic, and common sense.


    He knows he can't.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jul 19 07:03:38 2023
    On Thu, 13 Jul 2023 16:22:12 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirslick@fast.net>
    wrote:

    On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 7:04:21?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Thu, 13 Jul 2023 14:49:34 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler
    <chucksch...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 4:42:18?PM UTC-5, Steven Galbraith wrote:
    On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 5:28:59?PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote: >>>>> On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 3:21:09?PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    (39) The bullets recovered from Tippit's body were consistent with >>>>>> being fired from Oswald's .38.

    This is simply another way of saying: "We couldn't honestly state that >>>>>> we found any matches". This is one of the biggest stretches the Warren >>>>>> Commission made - they knew they had a fairly weak case against
    Oswald, so by framing him with the Tippit killing, they believed that >>>>>> they could influence people to believe the killings were somehow
    related.

    But it really makes no sense at all.

    And, it seems redundant to point out that this has NOTHING WHATSOEVER >>>>>> TO DO with Oswald, by himself, shooting the President.

    But in my never ending quest to protect B.T. George from the
    insistence that he's a liar, here's the full argument from Bugliosi: >>>>>>
    39. Four bullets were recovered from the body of Officer Tippit. A >>>>>>> firearms identification expert for the Warren Commission concluded >>>>>>> that one of the four bullets was fired from Oswald's revolver to the >>>>>>> exclusion of all other weapons, and another expert acknowledged that >>>>>>> all four bullets "could have been" fired from the revolver, since the >>>>>>> bullets recovered from Tippit had the same general characteristic as >>>>>>> those test-fired from Oswald's revolver-five lands and grooves
    (including the same width of the lands and grooves) with a right >>>>>>> twist. (Recall that the bullets were .38 Special bullets, not .38 >>>>>>> Smith & Wesson bullets, and the barrel of Oswald's revolver was
    slightly oversized for such a bullet. Therefore, during the passage of >>>>>>> these slightly smaller bullets through the barrel, the barrel did not >>>>>>> clearly imprint its signature striations or markings on the sides of >>>>>>> the bullets to enable a positive identification.)

    When the Warren Commission was unable to produce a match on the
    bullets, they went "expert hunting" to find someone who would tell >>>>>> them what they wanted to hear. They found him...

    You won't hear these facts from Bugliosi. And Huckster Sienzant
    remains silent.

    More proof ...

    That you can't refute my refutation? None needed, no-one expected you
    to know the evidence enough to defend Bugs.

    Logical fallacy deleted. 12 posts now that couldn't address the
    topic.

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