• Re: The forensic evidence is exactly as we would expect it to be if Osw

    From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to geowright1963@gmail.com on Mon Jul 10 06:40:04 2023
    On Thu, 6 Jul 2023 07:38:44 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett
    <geowright1963@gmail.com> wrote:

    This is a short summation of the forensic evidence at the scene of the >murders of JFK and Tippit.

    But not a *single* citation to the actual evidence.

    Despite being asked dozens of times...

    Corbutt's a coward.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to gjjmail1202@gmail.com on Mon Jul 10 06:40:04 2023
    On Fri, 7 Jul 2023 03:35:18 -0700 (PDT), Gil Jesus
    <gjjmail1202@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, July 6, 2023 at 10:38:47?AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    This is a short summation of the forensic evidence at the scene of the
    murders of JFK and Tippit.

    1. Oswald's rifle was found on the 6th floor of the TSBD. There is a clear >> paper trail and photographs establishing his ownership of the rifle.

    Clear paper trail ? The shipping documents the FBI provided had neither the serial number of the rifle ( C 2766 ) nor the
    number of the carton it was in ( 3376 ) on them.

    https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/harborside520-1.jpg >https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/harborside170.jpg >https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/rupp-1.jpg

    His palm print was on the underside of the barrel and fibers matching the shirt he wore were on the butt plate of the rifle.

    But the FBI said that when they received the rifle on the evening of the assassination, there was no palm print.
    The FBI agent who travelled with the rifle from Dallas to Washington, Vincent Drain, was never called to testify.
    Why not ?
    And your star witness, Howard Brennan, testified that the clothes Oswald wore at the police lineup were not the same clothes the man
    he saw with the rifle on the 6th floor wore. ( 3 H 161 )

    So how did the fibers from Oswald's arrested shirt get on the rifle when there's no evidence that he was wearing that shirt
    prior to or at the time of the shooting ?

    In addition there were partial fingerprints on the trigger guard were consistent with Oswald's prints
    but lacked the sufficient number of points for the FBI to say they were a positive match.

    So what are you trying to say ?

    Three spent shells were found at the window were the witnesses
    placed the shooter and they were positively matched to Oswald to the
    exclusion of all other weapons in the world.

    The only two bullets recovered
    from the shooting also were matched to Oswald's rifle to the exclusion of
    all other weapons in the world.

    Could one of those be the famous "stretcher bullet" which the four people who handled couldn't identify ?
    https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/WH_Vol24_412.jpg

    Oswald's fingerprints were found on top of
    the boxes that had been stacked to form a rifle rest and were oriented as
    they would be if Oswald were facing down Elm St.

    How did Oswald lift those cartons from the top ?

    A bag large enough to hold the disassembled rifle was found near the window with Oswald's finger
    and palm print and

    How do you know the bag was on the sixth floor ? Was it photographed in place ?
    Here's the crime scene photo. Where is it ? >https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/ce729.jpg

    fibers matching the blanket Oswald had used to store
    his rifle.

    Were those fibers identified as having come from the blanket in the Paine garage ?
    https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/WC_Vol4_88-stombaugh.gif

    In the case of the Tippit murder, the .38 Special bullets had been fired from a
    gun with a slightly larger diameter barrel that prevented consistent enough >> markings to positive match them to any firearm. However, the bullets had
    the same twist characteristics as Oswald's revolver.

    You don't match bullets by primary characteristics ( grooves and twists ) any more than you match fingerprint because it's a whorl, a loop or an arch.
    You match them from individual characterisitics. The individual chacteristics are the "fingerprint".
    You obviously don't know anything about firearms identification.

    Two different makes of bullets were recovered from Tippit's body and Oswald had those same
    two makes of bullets in his possession when arrested a little more than a
    half hour later.

    Those cartridges were allegedly found on Oswald outside the lineup room for the 4:05pm lineup.
    But Oswald was searched twice before those cartridges were found and there was nothing in his pockets.
    https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/105-82555-Sec-78-pg-14-1.png >https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/image003.png
    So here we have two different Dallas policemen, one a detective and the other a uniformed officer, who searched suspect Oswald prior to the escort by Sims,
    Boyd and Hall to the lineup room and both reported that Oswald’s pockets were empty.

    Four shells were recovered from the place where the Tippit
    shooter was seen dumping them and those shells were positively matched
    to Oswald's revolver to the exclusion of all other weapons in the world.

    Were those shells ever identified by the witnesses who found them ? >https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/discovery.png

    It is impossible to construct a plausible scenario for Oswald's inncence that >>takes into account all of the above forensic evidence. If it were possible, >>somebody would have done so by now. Instead, those who want to argue
    for Oswald's innocence are forced to invent excuses to dismiss each and >>every piece of the forensic evidence which all points to Oswald as the killer.

    It's not excuses, it's called evidence.
    And you should learn it.

    Notice folks, that Gil is referencing the actual evidence, while
    Corbutt just *claims* what it is.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to chuckschuyler123@gmail.com on Mon Jul 10 06:40:04 2023
    On Fri, 7 Jul 2023 21:46:47 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Schuyler <chuckschuyler123@gmail.com> wrote:

    Please provide your very own JFK conspiracy theory. Do not ask us to explain what puzzles you, because you will never be satisfied with the answers you receive.


    Why do you ask questions that *YOU* refuse to answer?

    You admit you have no scenario - and are COMPLETELY unwilling to
    defend what you believe.

    Such cowardice!!!

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jul 10 06:40:04 2023
    On Sat, 8 Jul 2023 10:03:55 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirslick@fast.net>
    wrote:

    Post your challenge. Or STFU. You`ll do neither.

    The keyboard warrior throws down his challenge!

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  • From Bud@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Mon Jul 10 09:52:47 2023
    On Monday, July 10, 2023 at 9:40:45 AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Sat, 8 Jul 2023 10:03:55 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:

    Post your challenge. Or STFU. You`ll do neither.

    The keyboard warrior throws down his challenge!

    Don`t worry, it wasn`t accepted.

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  • From Bud@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Wed Aug 2 15:07:37 2023
    On Monday, July 10, 2023 at 9:40:16 AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Sat, 8 Jul 2023 10:04:56 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:

    On Saturday, July 8, 2023 at 9:24:08?AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    On Saturday, July 8, 2023 at 6:43:59?AM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
    On Friday, July 7, 2023 at 1:31:46?AM UTC-4, Greg Parker wrote:

    Finger/palm prints of Oswald on the BOTTOM of cartons.
    You don`t leave fingerprints on every surface you touch.
    The absence of fingerprints from the bottoms of the boxes indicated one of four things:

    1. Oswald stacked the boxes without leaving fingerprints.
    2. Someone else stacked the boxes without leaving fingerprints.
    3. The DPD didn't dust the bottoms of the boxes for fingerprints.
    4. The boxes were stacked via PFM (Pure Fucking Magic)

    I wonder which of these explanations Greg subscribes to.

    He also assume the boxes couldn`t be lifted without putting hands underneath.
    Tut tut tut, stupid!!!

    This wasn't one of the choices given by Corbutt.

    No, I added it.

    Corbutt's going to get mad at you for pointing out his stupidity.

    We were pointing out Parker`s.

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  • From Bud@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Wed Aug 2 15:08:15 2023
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 10:03:44 AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Mon, 10 Jul 2023 09:52:47 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Monday, July 10, 2023 at 9:40:45?AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Sat, 8 Jul 2023 10:03:55 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:

    Post your challenge. Or STFU. You`ll do neither.

    The keyboard warrior throws down his challenge!

    Don`t worry, it wasn`t accepted.
    Why would you accept your own challenge?

    I didn`t challenge myself, stupid.

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  • From Bud@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Wed Aug 2 15:09:04 2023
    On Monday, July 10, 2023 at 9:40:17 AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Sat, 8 Jul 2023 11:09:48 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    I`ve been at the finish line for decades.
    And clearly can't figure out why most of America rejects his finish
    line.

    How much effort did they put into looking for it?

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 3 07:00:28 2023
    On Wed, 2 Aug 2023 15:09:04 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirslick@fast.net>
    wrote:

    On Monday, July 10, 2023 at 9:40:17?AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Sat, 8 Jul 2023 11:09:48 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    I`ve been at the finish line for decades.

    And clearly can't figure out why most of America rejects his finish
    line.

    How much effort did they put into looking for it?


    Some of them spent years. Others, no time at all.

    But if you think you've refuted me, you failed.

    Again.

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  • From Bud@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Thu Aug 3 07:36:26 2023
    On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 10:02:41 AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Wed, 2 Aug 2023 15:07:37 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Monday, July 10, 2023 at 9:40:16?AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Sat, 8 Jul 2023 10:04:56 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:

    On Saturday, July 8, 2023 at 9:24:08?AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    On Saturday, July 8, 2023 at 6:43:59?AM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
    On Friday, July 7, 2023 at 1:31:46?AM UTC-4, Greg Parker wrote:

    Finger/palm prints of Oswald on the BOTTOM of cartons.
    You don`t leave fingerprints on every surface you touch.
    The absence of fingerprints from the bottoms of the boxes indicated one of four things:

    1. Oswald stacked the boxes without leaving fingerprints.
    2. Someone else stacked the boxes without leaving fingerprints.
    3. The DPD didn't dust the bottoms of the boxes for fingerprints.
    4. The boxes were stacked via PFM (Pure Fucking Magic)

    I wonder which of these explanations Greg subscribes to.

    He also assume the boxes couldn`t be lifted without putting hands underneath.
    Tut tut tut, stupid!!!

    This wasn't one of the choices given by Corbutt.

    No, I added it.
    Then you need to do it via email,

    Apparently not.

    and not publicly point out a fellow
    believer's stupidity.
    Corbutt's going to get mad at you for pointing out his stupidity.

    We were pointing out Parker`s.
    No moron, the list was compiled by Corbutt. Stop lying!

    Can`t follow a discussion ,can you?

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  • From Bud@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Thu Aug 3 07:35:18 2023
    On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 10:02:47 AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Wed, 2 Aug 2023 15:09:04 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Monday, July 10, 2023 at 9:40:17?AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Sat, 8 Jul 2023 11:09:48 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    I`ve been at the finish line for decades.

    And clearly can't figure out why most of America rejects his finish
    line.

    How much effort did they put into looking for it?
    Some of them spent years. Others, no time at all.

    But if you think you've refuted me, you failed.

    If you think the public`s inability to find the finish line reflects on me, you failed.

    Again.

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  • From Gil Jesus@21:1/5 to Bud on Thu Aug 3 07:41:45 2023
    On Saturday, July 8, 2023 at 6:43:59 AM UTC-4, Bud wrote:

    You don`t leave fingerprints on every surface you touch.

    Notice "Bud" didn't cite a source ? There's a reason for that.
    It's lie.

    He didn't cite a source, but I will. https://www.scienceworld.ca/resource/finding-fingerprints/#:~:text=In%20this%20activity%2C%20students%20learn,patterns%2C%20on%20everything%20we%20touch.

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  • From Bud@21:1/5 to Gil Jesus on Thu Aug 3 14:49:50 2023
    On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 10:41:47 AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Saturday, July 8, 2023 at 6:43:59 AM UTC-4, Bud wrote:

    You don`t leave fingerprints on every surface you touch.
    Notice "Bud" didn't cite a source ? There's a reason for that.
    It's lie.

    He didn't cite a source, but I will. https://www.scienceworld.ca/resource/finding-fingerprints/#:~:text=In%20this%20activity%2C%20students%20learn,patterns%2C%20on%20everything%20we%20touch.

    https://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/2007-10/1191456159.Ge.r.html

    https://learning-center.homesciencetools.com/article/forensics-science/

    But for the purpose of the discussion it is "recoverable" prints. This is the context...

    You: Finger/palm prints of Oswald on the BOTTOM of cartons.

    Me : You don`t leave fingerprints on every surface you touch.

    Your arguments is that recoverable prints of Oswald must exist on the bottom of the boxes if he moved them. If there are no prints on the bottom, does that mean they were never lifted from the bottom at any time in their existence? How many dozen of
    people must have touched these boxes in their lifetime, shouldn`t they be loaded with prints?

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 11 14:22:36 2023
    On Thu, 3 Aug 2023 07:35:18 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirslick@fast.net>
    wrote:

    On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 10:02:47?AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Wed, 2 Aug 2023 15:09:04 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    On Monday, July 10, 2023 at 9:40:17?AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Sat, 8 Jul 2023 11:09:48 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
    wrote:
    I`ve been at the finish line for decades.

    And clearly can't figure out why most of America rejects his finish
    line.

    How much effort did they put into looking for it?

    Some of them spent years. Others, no time at all.

    But if you think you've refuted me, you failed.

    If you think the public`s inability to find the finish line reflects on me, you failed.


    To convince you? Yes.

    To state a fact, no.


    Again.

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