• Re: Dark sweater Oswald was wearing when he was shot

    From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to All on Sat Aug 19 13:00:19 2023
    On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 9:15:56 PM UTC-8, wrote:
    On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 1:05:29 PM UTC-8, wrote:
    On the days preceding that, was he seen with that dark sweater?
    Where did that sweater come from?

    Haven't there been claims that the whole Oswald shooting scenario was faked?

    Wouldn't it have been difficult to fake if he had still been wearing his white t-shirt or even the light colored jacket he was wearing when he was arrested?

    Also, concerning the dark sweater, near his neck can be seen shirt collars. Where did that shirt come from?

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  • From Sky Throne 19efppp@21:1/5 to gggg gggg on Sat Aug 19 13:04:07 2023
    On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 4:00:22 PM UTC-4, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 9:15:56 PM UTC-8, wrote:
    On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 1:05:29 PM UTC-8, wrote:
    On the days preceding that, was he seen with that dark sweater?
    Where did that sweater come from?
    Haven't there been claims that the whole Oswald shooting scenario was faked?

    Wouldn't it have been difficult to fake if he had still been wearing his white t-shirt or even the light colored jacket he was wearing when he was arrested?

    Also, concerning the dark sweater, near his neck can be seen shirt collars. Where did that shirt come from?

    My scenario is that Oswald was told that it was going to be a fake shooting, but that he was in for a surprise.

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  • From John Corbett@21:1/5 to gggg gggg on Sat Aug 19 13:12:05 2023
    On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 12:15:56 AM UTC-5, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 1:05:29 PM UTC-8, wrote:
    On the days preceding that, was he seen with that dark sweater?
    Where did that sweater come from?

    According to Detective Leavelle, Oswald asked for it before being transferred. The delay
    allowed Ruby to arrive just before Oswald was led out. It is a delicious irony that Oswald's
    request for the sweater probably cost him his life.

    I did a little research to confirm what I already believed to be true. I found this website in which
    Paul V. McNutt gives an excellent summation of the facts. Does anyone know anything about
    him. Apparently this is another conspiracy discussion group because it indicates McNutt has
    been banned. They didn't want anybody throwing some common sense into the discussion.

    https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/oswald-does-not-ask-for-a-sweater.370537/#:~:text=When%20the%20police%20were%20going%20to%20transport%20Oswald,Oswald.%20Before%20leaving%2C%20Oswald%20asked%20for%20a%20sweater.

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  • From John Corbett@21:1/5 to All on Sat Aug 19 13:12:41 2023
    On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 4:04:09 PM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 4:00:22 PM UTC-4, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 9:15:56 PM UTC-8, wrote:
    On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 1:05:29 PM UTC-8, wrote:
    On the days preceding that, was he seen with that dark sweater?
    Where did that sweater come from?
    Haven't there been claims that the whole Oswald shooting scenario was faked?

    Wouldn't it have been difficult to fake if he had still been wearing his white t-shirt or even the light colored jacket he was wearing when he was arrested?

    Also, concerning the dark sweater, near his neck can be seen shirt collars. Where did that shirt come from?
    My scenario is that Oswald was told that it was going to be a fake shooting, but that he was in for a surprise.

    Your scenario is FUBAR.

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to All on Sat Aug 19 13:40:57 2023
    On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 1:04:09 PM UTC-7, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 4:00:22 PM UTC-4, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 9:15:56 PM UTC-8, wrote:
    On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 1:05:29 PM UTC-8, wrote:
    On the days preceding that, was he seen with that dark sweater?
    Where did that sweater come from?
    Haven't there been claims that the whole Oswald shooting scenario was faked?

    Wouldn't it have been difficult to fake if he had still been wearing his white t-shirt or even the light colored jacket he was wearing when he was arrested?

    Also, concerning the dark sweater, near his neck can be seen shirt collars. Where did that shirt come from?
    My scenario is that Oswald was told that it was going to be a fake shooting, but that he was in for a surprise.

    Could that mean that the person who gave him the sweater was 'in' on the setup as well as the authorities' plan to scapegoat O.?

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  • From Bud@21:1/5 to John Corbett on Sat Aug 19 14:37:46 2023
    On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 4:12:07 PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 12:15:56 AM UTC-5, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 1:05:29 PM UTC-8, wrote:
    On the days preceding that, was he seen with that dark sweater?
    Where did that sweater come from?
    According to Detective Leavelle, Oswald asked for it before being transferred. The delay
    allowed Ruby to arrive just before Oswald was led out. It is a delicious irony that Oswald's
    request for the sweater probably cost him his life.

    I did a little research to confirm what I already believed to be true. I found this website in which
    Paul V. McNutt gives an excellent summation of the facts.

    Yes, very concise. Lawyer Gil`s response would be along the lines of "I don`t accept any of those facts as facts". Well, let`s see, I`ll post the arguments here, see what he can do against them...

    Prosecution Argument # 1 Oswald brought a gun to work.
    Oswald normally stayed in a rented room form Monday evening to Friday morning. A coworker gave him a ride to and from the home of Ruth Paine, where his wife and children were staying, Friday afternoon and Monday morning. The coworker would testify that
    Oswald asked for a special ride back to Mrs Paine’s on Thursday November 21, 1963 and on the morning of Friday November 22, 1963, Oswald carried to work a long package that he said was a curtain rod. The jury would hear that after the assassination, no
    one saw him with the curtain rod. So he was not going back to his room to install it. The prosecution could also show a picture of the curtain rod that was already in Oswald’s room. The jury would also hear from an expert who could tell them that
    Oswald’s rifle could be disassembled and carried in a bag. More importantly, the jury would also hear that the police found on the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository, a rifle with Oswald’s fingerprints and that had been purchased by
    someone using an alias that Oswald used. They would also hear that police found a large paper bag with Oswald’s fingerprints. There would be testimony from the officers who went to Mrs Paine's house. Mariana told them that her husband owned a rifle.
    She took them to the garage to show them it. One of the officers lifted the blanket where the rifle was stored and it was empty.

    Prosecution Argument # 2 Oswald was seen on the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository, The work crew that was fixing the floor of the sixth floor would testify that at noon November 22, 1963, they left to eat lunch and watch the president on
    the first floor. They saw Oswald remain on the sixth floor.

    Prosecution Argument # 3 Oswald shot Kennedy
    A witness looked up from the sidewalk and saw Oswald shooting at the president from a window of the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository. He gave a description of Oswald to two police officers. Oswald’s description went over Dallas Police
    radio at 12:45, fifteen minutes after the assassination. Five other witnesses saw a rifle pointing out the window of the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository. Three earwitnesses on the fifth floor of Texas School Book Depository heard the
    shooting. Two witnesses saw Oswald with his rifle in the window of the sixth floor of Texas School Book Depository before the assassination. They mistook him for a Secret Service agent.

    Prosecution Argument # 4 Oswald left work. He had no reason to leave other than to escape.

    Prosecution Argument #5 Oswald killed a police officer.
    Five witnesses would tell the jury that they saw Oswald kill Officer J D Tippet. Four others would testify that they saw Oswald flee the scene of the crime with a pistol in his hand. I said that Oswald killing Kennedy is an open and shut case. The
    evidence he killed Tippit is stronger. Tippit’s death shows that Oswald knew he was the most wanted criminal on the face of the Earth and that he was panicked.


    Prosecution Argument # 6 Oswald hid from the police.
    The jury would hear from a manager of a shore store who, when the police were coming down the street, saw Oswald hide from them in the lobby of his shore store. The store was 15 feet from the street. He would tell how after the police left, Oswald went
    across the street and went inside a movie theater without buying a ticket.

    Prosecution Argument # 7 Oswald wanted to kill another police officer. Witnesses would describe that when the first police officer approached him, Oswald hit the officer in the nose and reached for his pistol.

    Prosecution Argument # 8 The doctors who performed the autopsy determined that the President had been killed by two bullets from behind. Which would back up that Oswald killed the President.
    The autopsy has been criticized because none of the doctors were forensic pathologists. Their findings have been backed up by three expert panels. The first by one selected by Attorney General Ramsey Clark in 1968, then by the Rockefeller Commission in
    1975 and finally by the House Select Committee on Assassination in 1978. So the prosecution could have found experts to back up the autopsy. I don’t think criticism of the autopsy could have distracted from the prosecution case. When I served on a jury,
    one of our instructions said that reasonable doubt could not come from speculation or imagination. We were also told to use our common sense. The evidence against Oswald is very strong. Obviously the non forensic pathologists got it right. It is not
    like they were unqualified.

    Does anyone know anything about
    him. Apparently this is another conspiracy discussion group because it indicates McNutt has
    been banned. They didn't want anybody throwing some common sense into the discussion.

    https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/oswald-does-not-ask-for-a-sweater.370537/#:~:text=When%20the%20police%20were%20going%20to%20transport%20Oswald,Oswald.%20Before%20leaving%2C%20Oswald%20asked%20for%20a%20sweater.

    Actually it isn`t a conspiracy forum, it is as the name suggests, a forum where people speculate different outcomes if things had played out differently. If someone else won an election rather than the person who did, for instance. There might be a
    thread on "What if Kennedy had lived?", that sort of thing. If you hit on Paul V McNutt`s name you see he was a prolific poster (5,875 messages). I was intrigued, so I went to see what caused him to be banned, and I don`t see any indication of the cause.
    His last few posts were pretty innocuous and he wasn`t battling anyone, so it is hard to see what led to the banning. One clue might be how many people in that last thread ended up banned, somebody probably let their power go to their head. This is how
    to kill a forum, ban your good contributors.

    The last thread he was involved in (August 2016)....

    https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/wi-hillary-clinton-won-2008.395314/page-3

    The kinds of threads he was involved in, nothing really controversial and he doesn`t seem to attack anyone else`s ideas, so sort of a mystery.

    https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/search/6633674/?c[users]=Paul+V+McNutt&o=date

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  • From Sky Throne 19efppp@21:1/5 to gggg gggg on Sat Aug 19 15:15:28 2023
    On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 4:40:59 PM UTC-4, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 1:04:09 PM UTC-7, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 4:00:22 PM UTC-4, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 9:15:56 PM UTC-8, wrote:
    On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 1:05:29 PM UTC-8, wrote:
    On the days preceding that, was he seen with that dark sweater?
    Where did that sweater come from?
    Haven't there been claims that the whole Oswald shooting scenario was faked?

    Wouldn't it have been difficult to fake if he had still been wearing his white t-shirt or even the light colored jacket he was wearing when he was arrested?

    Also, concerning the dark sweater, near his neck can be seen shirt collars. Where did that shirt come from?
    My scenario is that Oswald was told that it was going to be a fake shooting, but that he was in for a surprise.
    Could that mean that the person who gave him the sweater was 'in' on the setup as well as the authorities' plan to scapegoat O.?

    According to Leavelle, Oswald himself asked for the black sweater.

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  • From Bud@21:1/5 to All on Sat Aug 19 15:20:18 2023
    On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 6:15:30 PM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 4:40:59 PM UTC-4, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 1:04:09 PM UTC-7, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 4:00:22 PM UTC-4, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 9:15:56 PM UTC-8, wrote:
    On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 1:05:29 PM UTC-8, wrote:
    On the days preceding that, was he seen with that dark sweater?
    Where did that sweater come from?
    Haven't there been claims that the whole Oswald shooting scenario was faked?

    Wouldn't it have been difficult to fake if he had still been wearing his white t-shirt or even the light colored jacket he was wearing when he was arrested?

    Also, concerning the dark sweater, near his neck can be seen shirt collars. Where did that shirt come from?
    My scenario is that Oswald was told that it was going to be a fake shooting, but that he was in for a surprise.
    Could that mean that the person who gave him the sweater was 'in' on the setup as well as the authorities' plan to scapegoat O.?
    According to Leavelle, Oswald himself asked for the black sweater.

    They offered him this one first...

    https://ih1.redbubble.net/image.191672023.2893/ra,sweatshirt,x1800,charcoal_heather,front-c,281,327,600,600-bg,f8f8f8.jpg

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to All on Mon Aug 21 07:44:34 2023
    On Sat, 19 Aug 2023 14:37:46 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirslick@fast.net>
    wrote:

    Yes, very concise.

    So, according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval" shape that was
    "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

    Chickenshit is TERRIFIED of this simple honest question. He knows
    that Bugliosi was a moron if he truly thought this... yet you can't
    get Chickenshit to publicly acknowledge that Bugliosi said this.

    It's a simple "Yes" or "No" question, and Chickenshit cannot cite
    where he has EVER answered it.

    So it's going to keep getting asked until Chickenshit answers it.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to geowright1963@gmail.com on Mon Aug 21 07:44:34 2023
    On Sat, 19 Aug 2023 13:12:05 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett <geowright1963@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 12:15:56?AM UTC-5, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 1:05:29 PM UTC-8, wrote:
    On the days preceding that, was he seen with that dark sweater?
    Where did that sweater come from?

    According to Detective Leavelle, Oswald asked for it before being transferred. The delay...

    You're lying again.

    A simple check of the times will prove that beyond any doubt...

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  • From Sky Throne 19efppp@21:1/5 to John Corbett on Mon Aug 21 11:51:16 2023
    On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 4:12:43 PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 4:04:09 PM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 4:00:22 PM UTC-4, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 9:15:56 PM UTC-8, wrote:
    On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 1:05:29 PM UTC-8, wrote:
    On the days preceding that, was he seen with that dark sweater?
    Where did that sweater come from?
    Haven't there been claims that the whole Oswald shooting scenario was faked?

    Wouldn't it have been difficult to fake if he had still been wearing his white t-shirt or even the light colored jacket he was wearing when he was arrested?

    Also, concerning the dark sweater, near his neck can be seen shirt collars. Where did that shirt come from?
    My scenario is that Oswald was told that it was going to be a fake shooting, but that he was in for a surprise.
    Your scenario is FUBAR.

    So why does your email imply that your name is George Wright if your name is John Corbett? Is that just your Langley name?

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  • From John Corbett@21:1/5 to All on Mon Aug 21 12:48:34 2023
    On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 2:51:18 PM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 4:12:43 PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 4:04:09 PM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 4:00:22 PM UTC-4, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 9:15:56 PM UTC-8, wrote:
    On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 1:05:29 PM UTC-8, wrote:
    On the days preceding that, was he seen with that dark sweater?
    Where did that sweater come from?
    Haven't there been claims that the whole Oswald shooting scenario was faked?

    Wouldn't it have been difficult to fake if he had still been wearing his white t-shirt or even the light colored jacket he was wearing when he was arrested?

    Also, concerning the dark sweater, near his neck can be seen shirt collars. Where did that shirt come from?
    My scenario is that Oswald was told that it was going to be a fake shooting, but that he was in for a surprise.
    Your scenario is FUBAR.
    So why does your email imply that your name is George Wright if your name is John Corbett? Is that just your Langley name?

    You've figured it out. Now we're going to have to kill you.

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  • From Sky Throne 19efppp@21:1/5 to John Corbett on Mon Aug 21 12:58:07 2023
    On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 3:48:36 PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 2:51:18 PM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 4:12:43 PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 4:04:09 PM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 4:00:22 PM UTC-4, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 9:15:56 PM UTC-8, wrote:
    On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 1:05:29 PM UTC-8, wrote:
    On the days preceding that, was he seen with that dark sweater?
    Where did that sweater come from?
    Haven't there been claims that the whole Oswald shooting scenario was faked?

    Wouldn't it have been difficult to fake if he had still been wearing his white t-shirt or even the light colored jacket he was wearing when he was arrested?

    Also, concerning the dark sweater, near his neck can be seen shirt collars. Where did that shirt come from?
    My scenario is that Oswald was told that it was going to be a fake shooting, but that he was in for a surprise.
    Your scenario is FUBAR.
    So why does your email imply that your name is George Wright if your name is John Corbett? Is that just your Langley name?
    You've figured it out. Now we're going to have to kill you.

    I'll bet you're good friends with "Laura K. Furlong" and Robert D. Ascham. It must be fun suiciding people under stupid fake names!

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to geowright1963@gmail.com on Mon Aug 21 13:19:02 2023
    On Mon, 21 Aug 2023 12:48:34 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett <geowright1963@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 2:51:18?PM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
    On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 4:12:43?PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 4:04:09?PM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote: >>>> On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 4:00:22?PM UTC-4, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 9:15:56?PM UTC-8, wrote:
    On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 1:05:29 PM UTC-8, wrote:
    On the days preceding that, was he seen with that dark sweater?
    Where did that sweater come from?
    Haven't there been claims that the whole Oswald shooting scenario was faked?

    Wouldn't it have been difficult to fake if he had still been wearing his white t-shirt or even the light colored jacket he was wearing when he was arrested?

    Also, concerning the dark sweater, near his neck can be seen shirt collars. Where did that shirt come from?
    My scenario is that Oswald was told that it was going to be a fake shooting, but that he was in for a surprise.
    Your scenario is FUBAR.
    So why does your email imply that your name is George Wright if your name is John Corbett? Is that just your Langley name?

    You've figured it out. Now we're going to have to kill you.

    Oh, you're going to kill me? Well, that's a relief. I thought you were
    going to make me listen to your wacky lone nutter stories again...

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to gggg gggg on Mon Aug 21 22:54:57 2023
    On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 1:05:29 PM UTC-8, gggg gggg wrote:
    On the days preceding that, was he seen with that dark sweater?

    Did Marina provide him with that sweater?

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