• Firefox very slow (was: Email current page)

    From VanguardLH@21:1/5 to Jim the Geordie on Mon Sep 30 17:01:02 2024
    Jim the Geordie <jim@jimXscott.co.uk> wrote:

    Firefox exceedingly slow (for me) compared to all three browsers I
    mentioned.

    This should have been started in a new thread. But since you mixed it
    into your existing thread on a different topic, I changed the Subject in
    my reply to address only this issue.

    Try a fresh profile. Do a reset to create a new profile devoid of all
    the add-ons you've installed into Firefox, and without any of the tweaks
    you did in the configure screens or in about:config. You get a new install-time Firefox profile folder.

    That doesn't destroy the old profile. You create a new profile. To
    switch between profiles, use the Profile Manager.

    In Firefox, enter about:profiles in the address bar.
    In the command line, run "firefox.exe -p" (nothing after the p arg).

    More info on the Profile Manager:

    https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/profile-manager-create-remove-switch-firefox-profiles

    When using the Profile Manager, you can select to open a profile by
    default when Firefox loads, or have it ask you which profile to use.

    You can also specify a profile name on the command line used to load
    Firefox. You could have one shortcut to open Firefox using whichever is
    the current default profile:

    <path>firefox.exe

    and another shortcut that specifies which profile by name to use:

    <path>firefox.exe -p "profilename"

    See the following on command line arguments for Firefox:

    https://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox/CommandLineOptions#-P_.22profile_name.22

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  • From Jim the Geordie@21:1/5 to VanguardLH on Tue Oct 1 00:57:35 2024
    On 30/09/2024 23:01, VanguardLH wrote:
    Jim the Geordie <jim@jimXscott.co.uk> wrote:

    Firefox exceedingly slow (for me) compared to all three browsers I
    mentioned.

    This should have been started in a new thread. But since you mixed it
    into your existing thread on a different topic, I changed the Subject in
    my reply to address only this issue.

    Try a fresh profile. Do a reset to create a new profile devoid of all
    the add-ons you've installed into Firefox, and without any of the tweaks
    you did in the configure screens or in about:config. You get a new install-time Firefox profile folder.

    That doesn't destroy the old profile. You create a new profile. To
    switch between profiles, use the Profile Manager.

    In Firefox, enter about:profiles in the address bar.
    In the command line, run "firefox.exe -p" (nothing after the p arg).

    More info on the Profile Manager:

    https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/profile-manager-create-remove-switch-firefox-profiles

    When using the Profile Manager, you can select to open a profile by
    default when Firefox loads, or have it ask you which profile to use.

    You can also specify a profile name on the command line used to load
    Firefox. You could have one shortcut to open Firefox using whichever is
    the current default profile:

    <path>firefox.exe

    and another shortcut that specifies which profile by name to use:

    <path>firefox.exe -p "profilename"

    See the following on command line arguments for Firefox:

    https://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox/CommandLineOptions#-P_.22profile_name.22

    I DON'T USE FIREFOX!
    I DON'T WANT TO USE FIREFOX!
    I stated which browsers I use in my original post!

    --
    Jim the Geordie

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  • From VanguardLH@21:1/5 to Jim the Geordie on Mon Sep 30 23:02:10 2024
    Jim the Geordie <jim@jimXscott.co.uk> wrote:

    On 30/09/2024 23:01, VanguardLH wrote:
    Jim the Geordie <jim@jimXscott.co.uk> wrote:

    Firefox exceedingly slow (for me) compared to all three browsers I
    mentioned.

    This should have been started in a new thread. But since you mixed it
    into your existing thread on a different topic, I changed the Subject in
    my reply to address only this issue.

    Try a fresh profile. Do a reset to create a new profile devoid of all
    the add-ons you've installed into Firefox, and without any of the tweaks
    you did in the configure screens or in about:config. You get a new
    install-time Firefox profile folder.

    That doesn't destroy the old profile. You create a new profile. To
    switch between profiles, use the Profile Manager.

    In Firefox, enter about:profiles in the address bar.
    In the command line, run "firefox.exe -p" (nothing after the p arg).

    More info on the Profile Manager:

    https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/profile-manager-create-remove-switch-firefox-profiles

    When using the Profile Manager, you can select to open a profile by
    default when Firefox loads, or have it ask you which profile to use.

    You can also specify a profile name on the command line used to load
    Firefox. You could have one shortcut to open Firefox using whichever is
    the current default profile:

    <path>firefox.exe

    and another shortcut that specifies which profile by name to use:

    <path>firefox.exe -p "profilename"

    See the following on command line arguments for Firefox:

    https://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox/CommandLineOptions#-P_.22profile_name.22

    I DON'T USE FIREFOX!
    I DON'T WANT TO USE FIREFOX!
    I stated which browsers I use in my original post!

    Um, who was it that said "Firefox exceedingly slow (for me) compared to
    all three browsers I mentioned." What did I note at the very beginning
    of my reply, like why I changed the Subject? This subthread about
    Firefox being exceedindly slow was started by *you*. You mixed Firefox
    into your original thread.


    As for your original topic ...

    Edge has its safe mode that eliminates add-ons and most user tweaks.

    https://www.thewindowsclub.com/how-to-open-microsoft-edge-browser-in-safe-mode

    Edge also supports profiles; see:

    https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/sign-in-and-create-multiple-profiles-in-microsoft-edge-df94e622-2061-49ae-ad1d-6f0e43ce6435

    Something that applies to all web browsers regarding slow down is
    clearing out their local cache, history, and cookies.

    The accumulation of these data types can slow a web browser. Perhaps
    you leave Edge running 24x7 while also leaving open tons of tabs. If
    slow, close the tabs you aren't reading right now. If you need to
    revisit those pages, put them in your bookmarks. More tabs means a
    larger memory footprint. You can find lots of online articles on "edge
    web browser troubleshoot slow", like:

    https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/microsoft-edge-slow-windows-1110-lets-make-faster-windows101tricks-kb9gc

    Other sources for lag could be you're piping Edge, and whatever web
    browser you use, through a VPN. It is possible the VPN nodes are faster
    than the nodes in your non-VPN route, but that is unlikely. The more
    hops in the path between you and the destination the slower the traffic,
    and one slow host as a hop in the route can slow the traffic, too, so to
    a traceroute to a site when it is slow to you to see if there is a
    sudden jump in lag in one, or more of the hops. For example, I'm in the
    USA, but going to a BBC site in England has my route go over the
    undersea cable which adds a lot of delay starting at one hop, and
    thereafter for all additional hops.

    I'll let you do the research on the other web browsers you use.


    Back to the new topic you introduced ...

    Hard to know if it's just your web browsers that are slow, or your
    Internet connection. For example, cable modems bind channels together
    to up the overall bandwidth. Thinks of putting multiple straws in a
    shake to suck it up faster than using just one straw. However, your
    modem may not be provisioned to bond all its channels, only some of
    them. You might be using an old modem whose number of bonding channels
    is low, so you need a new modem with more channels to bind to get more bandwidth. The ISP will provision the modem to decide how many channels
    to bond, but it cannot bind more than the modem has. The lower number
    of channels then the lower the overall bandwidth. Each channel provides
    a max bandwidth, and bonding them together ups the bandwidth.

    https://us.hitrontech.com/learn/cable-modems-explained-channel-bonding/

    If you are leasing the cable modem from your ISP, call them to find out
    if what you have (brand and model) gives you the full bandwidth your
    service tier with them allows. If not, take the old modem to their
    store to get a replacement with more channels. Of course, you could
    first try resetting the modem to get the ISP to re-provision the modem
    to make sure the modem might use as many channels as the ISP gives you.

    In addition, perhaps your modem is configure for QoS (Quality of
    Service) on one of its ports. I do that for the RJ45 port used for an
    Obitalk 200 (converts analog phone to digital for VOIP service using
    Google Voice). When using my phone with VOIP to GV, I want the best
    quality I can get for a call. Well, if one port gets priority, the
    other ports have less priority which can affect their throughput.

    Your web browsers are slow could be due to how you configured them, how
    many tabs you leave open, what add-ons you installed into them, if using
    a VPN or public proxy, what anti-virus software you use that
    interrogates your web traffic, the max bandwidth your modem can sustain,
    your service tier with your ISP who decides during provisioning how many channels to bond, QoS in the modem, and so on.

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  • From VanguardLH@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 1 00:04:17 2024
    As for Firefox being exceedingly slow, that doesn't pan out in the
    benchmarks on Firefox versus Edge-C nor in my experience with both.

    https://www.pcmag.com/picks/chrome-edge-firefox-opera-or-safari-which-browser-is-best

    Yes, Firefox is a tiny bit slower (2.5%) than Edge-C, but that is not exceedingly slower.

    You could visit https://browserbench.org/ to test Firefox (if you still
    have it installed) against the other web browsers you use. However, you wouldn't be testing against a clean install of the web browsers in a
    pristine networking environment, but testing against how you configured
    the web browser, and what is your network setup.

    My results using my tweaked Firefox x64 130.0.1 (with GPU acceleration
    enabled) with only 1 tab open the the benchmark site running on Windows
    10 Home x64 22H2 in my network setup with cable modem leased from ISP
    with no VPN or other proxies, only Windows Defender, on my computer
    (I'll provide the specs if you want since my CPU, RAM, and video card
    very likely differ from yours) are:

    Speedometer: 16.0
    Jetstream2: 153.481 (overall rating since there are way too many tests
    to list individually)
    MotionMark: 993.60 @ 60 fps

    With Edge-C on the same host, the results were:

    Speedometer: 11.4
    Jetstream2: Got "this page is not responding" error meaning Edge-C
    couldn't handle some script, clicked Wait to keep trying,
    timed out again, so had to cancel this test.
    MotionMark: 1532.96 @ 60 fps

    In my config, Firefox was faster at running web apps than Edge-C (and
    Chrome typically gets the same benchmarks as Edge-C since both share the
    same rendering and script engines). Firefox could handle all the
    Jetstream2 scripts, but Edge-C could not. Edge-C was much faster than
    Firefox in the MotionMark benchmark; however, I don't play online games,
    so it's a difference without distinction for me.

    I then tried https://web.basemark.com/ which gave me:

    Firefox: 1202
    Edge-C: 1407.37

    Edge-C edged out Firefox by 22% on this score.

    There are other benchmark sites and software you can use to compare the performance of what web browser are installed on your host.

    I can sacrifice user configurability with Edge-C (or Chrome) to get a
    little bit better performance, or I can have more configurability,
    security, and privacy with a wee bit less performance. I choose the
    latter. "Faster" does not mandate "better". A car than can reach 250
    MPH is faster than another than can only reach 170 MPH, but are there
    roads you can use to go that fast for either? How's the braking
    compare? Does one feel like pipes are used for shocks while other has a
    smooth luxury ride?

    For where I web surf, I find Firefox just as responsive as Edge-C, and I
    do use both.

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  • From Jim the Geordie@21:1/5 to VanguardLH on Tue Oct 1 13:26:48 2024
    On 01/10/2024 05:02, VanguardLH wrote:
    Jim the Geordie <jim@jimXscott.co.uk> wrote:

    On 30/09/2024 23:01, VanguardLH wrote:
    Jim the Geordie <jim@jimXscott.co.uk> wrote:

    Firefox exceedingly slow (for me) compared to all three browsers I
    mentioned.

    This should have been started in a new thread. But since you mixed it
    into your existing thread on a different topic, I changed the Subject in >>> my reply to address only this issue.

    Try a fresh profile. Do a reset to create a new profile devoid of all
    the add-ons you've installed into Firefox, and without any of the tweaks >>> you did in the configure screens or in about:config. You get a new
    install-time Firefox profile folder.

    That doesn't destroy the old profile. You create a new profile. To
    switch between profiles, use the Profile Manager.

    In Firefox, enter about:profiles in the address bar.
    In the command line, run "firefox.exe -p" (nothing after the p arg). >>>
    More info on the Profile Manager:

    https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/profile-manager-create-remove-switch-firefox-profiles

    When using the Profile Manager, you can select to open a profile by
    default when Firefox loads, or have it ask you which profile to use.

    You can also specify a profile name on the command line used to load
    Firefox. You could have one shortcut to open Firefox using whichever is >>> the current default profile:

    <path>firefox.exe

    and another shortcut that specifies which profile by name to use:

    <path>firefox.exe -p "profilename"

    See the following on command line arguments for Firefox:

    https://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox/CommandLineOptions#-P_.22profile_name.22 >>
    I DON'T USE FIREFOX!
    I DON'T WANT TO USE FIREFOX!
    I stated which browsers I use in my original post!

    Um, who was it that said "Firefox exceedingly slow (for me) compared to
    all three browsers I mentioned." What did I note at the very beginning
    of my reply, like why I changed the Subject? This subthread about
    Firefox being exceedindly slow was started by *you*. You mixed Firefox
    into your original thread.


    As for your original topic ...

    Edge has its safe mode that eliminates add-ons and most user tweaks.

    https://www.thewindowsclub.com/how-to-open-microsoft-edge-browser-in-safe-mode

    Edge also supports profiles; see:

    https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/sign-in-and-create-multiple-profiles-in-microsoft-edge-df94e622-2061-49ae-ad1d-6f0e43ce6435

    Something that applies to all web browsers regarding slow down is
    clearing out their local cache, history, and cookies.

    The accumulation of these data types can slow a web browser. Perhaps
    you leave Edge running 24x7 while also leaving open tons of tabs. If
    slow, close the tabs you aren't reading right now. If you need to
    revisit those pages, put them in your bookmarks. More tabs means a
    larger memory footprint. You can find lots of online articles on "edge
    web browser troubleshoot slow", like:

    https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/microsoft-edge-slow-windows-1110-lets-make-faster-windows101tricks-kb9gc

    Other sources for lag could be you're piping Edge, and whatever web
    browser you use, through a VPN. It is possible the VPN nodes are faster
    than the nodes in your non-VPN route, but that is unlikely. The more
    hops in the path between you and the destination the slower the traffic,
    and one slow host as a hop in the route can slow the traffic, too, so to
    a traceroute to a site when it is slow to you to see if there is a
    sudden jump in lag in one, or more of the hops. For example, I'm in the
    USA, but going to a BBC site in England has my route go over the
    undersea cable which adds a lot of delay starting at one hop, and
    thereafter for all additional hops.

    I'll let you do the research on the other web browsers you use.


    Back to the new topic you introduced ...

    Hard to know if it's just your web browsers that are slow, or your
    Internet connection. For example, cable modems bind channels together
    to up the overall bandwidth. Thinks of putting multiple straws in a
    shake to suck it up faster than using just one straw. However, your
    modem may not be provisioned to bond all its channels, only some of
    them. You might be using an old modem whose number of bonding channels
    is low, so you need a new modem with more channels to bind to get more bandwidth. The ISP will provision the modem to decide how many channels
    to bond, but it cannot bind more than the modem has. The lower number
    of channels then the lower the overall bandwidth. Each channel provides
    a max bandwidth, and bonding them together ups the bandwidth.

    https://us.hitrontech.com/learn/cable-modems-explained-channel-bonding/

    If you are leasing the cable modem from your ISP, call them to find out
    if what you have (brand and model) gives you the full bandwidth your
    service tier with them allows. If not, take the old modem to their
    store to get a replacement with more channels. Of course, you could
    first try resetting the modem to get the ISP to re-provision the modem
    to make sure the modem might use as many channels as the ISP gives you.

    In addition, perhaps your modem is configure for QoS (Quality of
    Service) on one of its ports. I do that for the RJ45 port used for an Obitalk 200 (converts analog phone to digital for VOIP service using
    Google Voice). When using my phone with VOIP to GV, I want the best
    quality I can get for a call. Well, if one port gets priority, the
    other ports have less priority which can affect their throughput.

    Your web browsers are slow could be due to how you configured them, how
    many tabs you leave open, what add-ons you installed into them, if using
    a VPN or public proxy, what anti-virus software you use that
    interrogates your web traffic, the max bandwidth your modem can sustain,
    your service tier with your ISP who decides during provisioning how many channels to bond, QoS in the modem, and so on.

    My browsers are not slow!
    Firefox IS slow for me which is why I don't use it!
    Stop making up your own questions.

    --
    Jim the Geordie

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  • From VanguardLH@21:1/5 to Jim the Geordie on Tue Oct 1 15:45:59 2024
    Jim the Geordie <jim@jimXscott.co.uk> wrote:

    On 01/10/2024 05:02, VanguardLH wrote:
    Jim the Geordie <jim@jimXscott.co.uk> wrote:

    On 30/09/2024 23:01, VanguardLH wrote:
    Jim the Geordie <jim@jimXscott.co.uk> wrote:

    Firefox exceedingly slow (for me) compared to all three browsers I
    mentioned.

    This should have been started in a new thread. But since you mixed it >>>> into your existing thread on a different topic, I changed the Subject in >>>> my reply to address only this issue.

    Try a fresh profile. Do a reset to create a new profile devoid of all >>>> the add-ons you've installed into Firefox, and without any of the tweaks >>>> you did in the configure screens or in about:config. You get a new
    install-time Firefox profile folder.

    That doesn't destroy the old profile. You create a new profile. To
    switch between profiles, use the Profile Manager.

    In Firefox, enter about:profiles in the address bar.
    In the command line, run "firefox.exe -p" (nothing after the p arg). >>>>
    More info on the Profile Manager:

    https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/profile-manager-create-remove-switch-firefox-profiles

    When using the Profile Manager, you can select to open a profile by
    default when Firefox loads, or have it ask you which profile to use.

    You can also specify a profile name on the command line used to load
    Firefox. You could have one shortcut to open Firefox using whichever is >>>> the current default profile:

    <path>firefox.exe

    and another shortcut that specifies which profile by name to use:

    <path>firefox.exe -p "profilename"

    See the following on command line arguments for Firefox:

    https://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox/CommandLineOptions#-P_.22profile_name.22 >>>
    I DON'T USE FIREFOX!
    I DON'T WANT TO USE FIREFOX!
    I stated which browsers I use in my original post!

    Um, who was it that said "Firefox exceedingly slow (for me) compared to
    all three browsers I mentioned." What did I note at the very beginning
    of my reply, like why I changed the Subject? This subthread about
    Firefox being exceedindly slow was started by *you*. You mixed Firefox
    into your original thread.

    As for your original topic ...

    Edge has its safe mode that eliminates add-ons and most user tweaks.

    https://www.thewindowsclub.com/how-to-open-microsoft-edge-browser-in-safe-mode

    Edge also supports profiles; see:

    https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/sign-in-and-create-multiple-profiles-in-microsoft-edge-df94e622-2061-49ae-ad1d-6f0e43ce6435

    Something that applies to all web browsers regarding slow down is
    clearing out their local cache, history, and cookies.

    The accumulation of these data types can slow a web browser. Perhaps
    you leave Edge running 24x7 while also leaving open tons of tabs. If
    slow, close the tabs you aren't reading right now. If you need to
    revisit those pages, put them in your bookmarks. More tabs means a
    larger memory footprint. You can find lots of online articles on "edge
    web browser troubleshoot slow", like:

    https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/microsoft-edge-slow-windows-1110-lets-make-faster-windows101tricks-kb9gc

    Other sources for lag could be you're piping Edge, and whatever web
    browser you use, through a VPN. It is possible the VPN nodes are faster
    than the nodes in your non-VPN route, but that is unlikely. The more
    hops in the path between you and the destination the slower the traffic,
    and one slow host as a hop in the route can slow the traffic, too, so to
    a traceroute to a site when it is slow to you to see if there is a
    sudden jump in lag in one, or more of the hops. For example, I'm in the
    USA, but going to a BBC site in England has my route go over the
    undersea cable which adds a lot of delay starting at one hop, and
    thereafter for all additional hops.

    I'll let you do the research on the other web browsers you use.

    Back to the new topic you introduced ...

    Hard to know if it's just your web browsers that are slow, or your
    Internet connection. For example, cable modems bind channels together
    to up the overall bandwidth. Thinks of putting multiple straws in a
    shake to suck it up faster than using just one straw. However, your
    modem may not be provisioned to bond all its channels, only some of
    them. You might be using an old modem whose number of bonding channels
    is low, so you need a new modem with more channels to bind to get more
    bandwidth. The ISP will provision the modem to decide how many channels
    to bond, but it cannot bind more than the modem has. The lower number
    of channels then the lower the overall bandwidth. Each channel provides
    a max bandwidth, and bonding them together ups the bandwidth.

    https://us.hitrontech.com/learn/cable-modems-explained-channel-bonding/

    If you are leasing the cable modem from your ISP, call them to find out
    if what you have (brand and model) gives you the full bandwidth your
    service tier with them allows. If not, take the old modem to their
    store to get a replacement with more channels. Of course, you could
    first try resetting the modem to get the ISP to re-provision the modem
    to make sure the modem might use as many channels as the ISP gives you.

    In addition, perhaps your modem is configure for QoS (Quality of
    Service) on one of its ports. I do that for the RJ45 port used for an
    Obitalk 200 (converts analog phone to digital for VOIP service using
    Google Voice). When using my phone with VOIP to GV, I want the best
    quality I can get for a call. Well, if one port gets priority, the
    other ports have less priority which can affect their throughput.

    Your web browsers are slow could be due to how you configured them, how
    many tabs you leave open, what add-ons you installed into them, if using
    a VPN or public proxy, what anti-virus software you use that
    interrogates your web traffic, the max bandwidth your modem can sustain,
    your service tier with your ISP who decides during provisioning how many
    channels to bond, QoS in the modem, and so on.

    My browsers are not slow!
    Firefox IS slow for me which is why I don't use it!
    Stop making up your own questions.

    Stop pretending you didn't start the subthread.

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