• FYU, USB hub partially fails. Sabrett a good brand?

    From micky@21:1/5 to All on Sat Sep 28 14:27:17 2024
    FYI, hub partially fails.

    I have a Sabrett hub. Is Sabrett a good brand???

    It has 4 outputs, each controlled with a swith, though I rarely turn any
    of them on or off.

    It's failed once, maybe three times. My external usb HDD which used to
    work fine now has to be plugged directly into the laptop's port.

    I somehow thought hubs were so simple, they would not fail.

    One might think the switches are the problem but the light for each
    problem port goes on and off when I use the switch. Maybe they are
    multi-pole switches and only the light pole is working? do you think
    the switches are the problem and I'd be safer with one that has no
    switches?

    I've tried two of the four hub ports and neither work, but one of the
    others still does.


    Also, I may have posted here before about my ethernet adapter failing,
    but now I think it was the hub it was plugged into. That time I checked everything but didn't think to check the hub. Shame on me. Later, the
    same port gave me trouble for something else, but I'm sill using #1 port
    for the new internet adapater and it's worked fine.

    A separate FYI: Amazon not perfect: I returned the adapter to Amazon,
    which I regret now, although it was only a $10 item, and probably used
    little or no scarce resources in its construcion. I was within the
    year's warranty, so I googled what to do, found an amazon page with an
    800 number, called and said it had failed, and they gave 3 return
    options, one of which was UPS and UPS would do the wrapping. When I got
    my credit, it was too low. Called a 20% restocking charge. There should
    not be a restocking charge on a warranty claim, right? When I called,
    she said I hadn't returned it within the 30 days. I repeated that it
    was a warranty claim. She had to leave and ask someone and came back
    and said I'd get the rest back. When I got it, it said was a Goodwill
    refund, not a warranty refund. Even though on both phone calls I said
    it had failed, and they had not received it yet and had no way to know
    it had not. This was only 2 dollars but you may have the same problem
    on a much more expensive item.

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  • From Graham J@21:1/5 to All on Sat Sep 28 19:56:39 2024
    micky wrote:

    Moral: don't use Amazon.

    Use a reputable supplier and manufacturer.


    --
    Graham J

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  • From shemp13@outlook.com@21:1/5 to All on Sat Sep 28 20:10:27 2024
    Revised moral: Do your research before buying anything,

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to micky on Sat Sep 28 17:57:03 2024
    On Sat, 9/28/2024 2:27 PM, micky wrote:
    FYI, hub partially fails.

    I have a Sabrett hub. Is Sabrett a good brand???

    It has 4 outputs, each controlled with a swith, though I rarely turn any
    of them on or off.

    It's failed once, maybe three times. My external usb HDD which used to
    work fine now has to be plugged directly into the laptop's port.

    I somehow thought hubs were so simple, they would not fail.

    One might think the switches are the problem but the light for each
    problem port goes on and off when I use the switch. Maybe they are
    multi-pole switches and only the light pole is working? do you think
    the switches are the problem and I'd be safer with one that has no
    switches?

    I've tried two of the four hub ports and neither work, but one of the
    others still does.


    Also, I may have posted here before about my ethernet adapter failing,
    but now I think it was the hub it was plugged into. That time I checked everything but didn't think to check the hub. Shame on me. Later, the
    same port gave me trouble for something else, but I'm sill using #1 port
    for the new internet adapater and it's worked fine.

    A separate FYI: Amazon not perfect: I returned the adapter to Amazon,
    which I regret now, although it was only a $10 item, and probably used
    little or no scarce resources in its construcion. I was within the
    year's warranty, so I googled what to do, found an amazon page with an
    800 number, called and said it had failed, and they gave 3 return
    options, one of which was UPS and UPS would do the wrapping. When I got
    my credit, it was too low. Called a 20% restocking charge. There should
    not be a restocking charge on a warranty claim, right? When I called,
    she said I hadn't returned it within the 30 days. I repeated that it
    was a warranty claim. She had to leave and ask someone and came back
    and said I'd get the rest back. When I got it, it said was a Goodwill refund, not a warranty refund. Even though on both phone calls I said
    it had failed, and they had not received it yet and had no way to know
    it had not. This was only 2 dollars but you may have the same problem
    on a much more expensive item.


    It was probably a power issue (something to do with the +5V).
    The hub wasn't really "failed" in the classical sense of
    an issue with D+ and D- on the port. The USB.org should be
    ashamed of themselves, for letting shit like this happen.
    Why should the fucking customer do the engineering ???

    Hubs may not have enough power to run hard drives. You should
    know that. You've been here long enough to know about
    hydra cables, and tense discussions about milliamps and such.

    Hubs come in bus-powered hubs (NOT for disk drives) and wall adapter
    powered hubs. A USB3 powered hub, might run a 2.5" hard drive one.
    the amperes on the wall adapter, hints at capability. You need
    at least a 1.1 amp adapter for the powered hub. Many powered hubs
    don't even have a large enough adapter for all the ports to have
    hard drives at the same time. (3 amp adapter, 6 amps worth of load.)
    So for heavy-loading items, they do not want you using too many
    of those on your powered hub.

    Self powered enclosures exist, which have their own wall adapters,
    These draw no significant power from any kind of hub, and that
    is my preference electrically. I have a couple self powered ones
    for example.

    And the name of the company is Sabrent. They're usually not too bad.
    Some of the companies that make add-on stuff, they've more or less
    gone out of business (COVID shock). My computer store has very
    poor stock now. Can't find good items when I need them. For example,
    no quality cooling fans, just dreck. I actually had to go up the
    street to Best Buy, and buy a computer power supply (hangs head...).
    We're back to the bad old days again. Looking under rocks for a meal.

    Paul

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  • From micky@21:1/5 to nospam@needed.invalid on Sat Sep 28 18:38:07 2024
    In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sat, 28 Sep 2024 17:57:03 -0400, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

    On Sat, 9/28/2024 2:27 PM, micky wrote:
    FYI, hub partially fails.

    I have a Sabrett hub. Is Sabrett a good brand???

    It has 4 outputs, each controlled with a swith, though I rarely turn any
    of them on or off.

    It's failed once, maybe three times. My external usb HDD which used to
    work fine now has to be plugged directly into the laptop's port.

    I somehow thought hubs were so simple, they would not fail.

    One might think the switches are the problem but the light for each
    problem port goes on and off when I use the switch. Maybe they are
    multi-pole switches and only the light pole is working? do you think
    the switches are the problem and I'd be safer with one that has no
    switches?

    I've tried two of the four hub ports and neither work, but one of the
    others still does.


    Also, I may have posted here before about my ethernet adapter failing,
    but now I think it was the hub it was plugged into. That time I checked
    everything but didn't think to check the hub. Shame on me. Later, the
    same port gave me trouble for something else, but I'm sill using #1 port
    for the new internet adapater and it's worked fine.

    A separate FYI: Amazon not perfect: I returned the adapter to Amazon,
    which I regret now, although it was only a $10 item, and probably used
    little or no scarce resources in its construcion. I was within the
    year's warranty, so I googled what to do, found an amazon page with an
    800 number, called and said it had failed, and they gave 3 return
    options, one of which was UPS and UPS would do the wrapping. When I got
    my credit, it was too low. Called a 20% restocking charge. There should
    not be a restocking charge on a warranty claim, right? When I called,
    she said I hadn't returned it within the 30 days. I repeated that it
    was a warranty claim. She had to leave and ask someone and came back
    and said I'd get the rest back. When I got it, it said was a Goodwill
    refund, not a warranty refund. Even though on both phone calls I said
    it had failed, and they had not received it yet and had no way to know
    it had not. This was only 2 dollars but you may have the same problem
    on a much more expensive item.


    It was probably a power issue (something to do with the +5V).
    The hub wasn't really "failed" in the classical sense of
    an issue with D+ and D- on the port. The USB.org should be
    ashamed of themselves, for letting shit like this happen.
    Why should the fucking customer do the engineering ???

    Hubs may not have enough power to run hard drives. You should
    know that. You've been here long enough to know about

    Good point. I used to know that, and I used to, I think, plug it into
    the laptop. I took the laptop on vacation and when we got back, I'd
    forgotten.

    I liked the use of the hub switch to turn the drive on and off. I like
    that better than plugging and unplugging. Plus it worked fine at least
    once.

    Do you think lack of hub power was the reason the internet adapter
    didn't work?

    Maybe I was recharging a phone or earbuds at the same time, and the
    speakers are plugged into the same hub. I have a powered hub somewhere,
    but I have enough things plugged in, and it didn't have switches, and
    when I travel I certainly don't want to bring it.

    hydra cables, and tense discussions about milliamps and such.

    Hubs come in bus-powered hubs (NOT for disk drives) and wall adapter
    powered hubs. A USB3 powered hub, might run a 2.5" hard drive one.
    the amperes on the wall adapter, hints at capability. You need
    at least a 1.1 amp adapter for the powered hub. Many powered hubs
    don't even have a large enough adapter for all the ports to have
    hard drives at the same time. (3 amp adapter, 6 amps worth of load.)
    So for heavy-loading items, they do not want you using too many
    of those on your powered hub.

    Self powered enclosures exist, which have their own wall adapters,
    These draw no significant power from any kind of hub, and that
    is my preference electrically. I have a couple self powered ones
    for example.

    And the name of the company is Sabrent. They're usually not too bad.
    Some of the companies that make add-on stuff, they've more or less
    gone out of business (COVID shock). My computer store has very
    poor stock now. Can't find good items when I need them. For example,
    no quality cooling fans, just dreck. I actually had to go up the
    street to Best Buy, and buy a computer power supply (hangs head...).
    We're back to the bad old days again. Looking under rocks for a meal.

    Paul

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to micky on Sun Sep 29 04:57:49 2024
    On Sat, 9/28/2024 6:38 PM, micky wrote:


    Good point. I used to know that, and I used to, I think, plug it into
    the laptop. I took the laptop on vacation and when we got back, I'd forgotten.

    I liked the use of the hub switch to turn the drive on and off. I like
    that better than plugging and unplugging. Plus it worked fine at least
    once.

    Do you think lack of hub power was the reason the internet adapter
    didn't work?

    Maybe I was recharging a phone or earbuds at the same time, and the
    speakers are plugged into the same hub. I have a powered hub somewhere,
    but I have enough things plugged in, and it didn't have switches, and
    when I travel I certainly don't want to bring it.

    You have to think about where the power is coming from.

    Any time you build a tree of toys, the power has to come
    from somewhere. Charging your devices, maybe a dedicated
    wall adapter with USB output is a solution ?

    The thing is, the PC ATX power supply never seems to have
    more than +5VSB @ 3 amps, and a single Apple device at 2 amps,
    has pretty well used up all the USB margin. And that's charging
    directly from a USB port with the rectangle drawn around
    it indicating it is a charging port. If the PC were charging off
    the main 5V @ 20A output, that would make more sense (only works
    when fan is spinning). A dedicated charger, saves a lot
    of "calculating and scheming".

    USB 1-of-4 switches, those aren't hubs and in some cases,
    use simple electrical switches for connecting source and
    destination (USB2 rates). Such a device is unlikely to have a power adapter. Various styles of buttons or knobs in the center of the device,
    establish a (electro-mechanical) connection. It's harder to do
    that at USB3 rates. At USB3 rates, the designs are more likely
    to be digital ones.

    USB has no margin in the budget for "diode steering" of VBUS current.
    The PC has "backfeed cut" MOSFETs for protecting the motherboard
    core, from rogue self-powered USB hubs. There is always a possibility
    your USB toys will fight with one another (don't connect two true
    USB self-powered hubs *directly* to one another -- no diodes
    for one-way current flow protection).

    This is why you need an engineering degree for <cough> Plug and Play.

    Some USENETters alerted me to this, when telling me their
    PC would not "restart properly" when their new USB wall-powered
    hub was plugged into the PC. A google, showed others were seeing
    a similar behavior.

    Paul

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