• Windows should make it easier to get a full path name

    From Quincy the fifth@21:1/5 to All on Wed Sep 18 23:10:34 2024
    A million times a day I save something using any number of programs and
    then I have to do something else with it using any other program.

    All I want is to copy FROM the Windows File Explorer "Save As" window what
    the full path to the saved folder is, where all I get is a pulldown path.

    What I am forced to do is "Open command window here" to get the full path.

    An example is let's say I modify a photo in Irfanview and I save it using
    the Save As in Irfanview which brings up a "Save in" File Explorer window.

    In that "Save Picture As..." window, I right click in the white space and select "Open command window here" so that I can copy the prompt which is a
    $P$G prompt so that the full path to the save folder is part of the prompt.

    But Windows should make it easier than that to just get a full path name.

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  • From knuttle@21:1/5 to Quincy the fifth on Wed Sep 18 18:01:41 2024
    On 09/18/2024 5:10 PM, Quincy the fifth wrote:
    A million times a day I save something using any number of programs and
    then I have to do something else with it using any other program.

    All I want is to copy FROM the Windows File Explorer "Save As" window what the full path to the saved folder is, where all I get is a pulldown path.

    What I am forced to do is "Open command window here" to get the full path.

    An example is let's say I modify a photo in Irfanview and I save it using
    the Save As in Irfanview which brings up a "Save in" File Explorer window.

    In that "Save Picture As..." window, I right click in the white space and select "Open command window here" so that I can copy the prompt which is a $P$G prompt so that the full path to the save folder is part of the prompt.

    But Windows should make it easier than that to just get a full path name.
    As I understand your request, all you need to do is click the file icon,
    select Properties, and copy the file location in the general tab.

    This is the folder name with all subdirectories where the file is located.

    When I do this, I copy the location, and paste it where I want it. I
    then go back to properties copy the file name and paste it after the
    location.

    Alternately use the Save As function to save the file. Reopen the Save
    as menu, find the file you just save, and right click Properties,
    General Tab and copy the file location, etc

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  • From Quincy the fifth@21:1/5 to knuttle on Thu Sep 19 00:17:04 2024
    On Wed, 18 Sep 2024 18:01:41 -0400, knuttle wrote:


    But Windows should make it easier than that to just get a full path name.
    As I understand your request, all you need to do is click the file icon, select Properties, and copy the file location in the general tab.

    This is the folder name with all subdirectories where the file is located.

    When I do this, I copy the location, and paste it where I want it. I
    then go back to properties copy the file name and paste it after the location.

    Thanks for that suggestion where I'll try it using this simple test.

    1. I'm in Windows File Explorer at location c:\dir1\dir2\dir3\
    2. I open image.jpg with Irfanview by double clicking on it
    3. In Irfanview, I save that image to a different folder location
    "File > Save As... > c:\dir4\dir5\dir6\image.jpg

    Now I'm back at Windows File Explorer at location c:\dir1\dir2\dir3\
    and I have to somehow get the saved-as path into the Windows clipboard.

    The only thing I can get the properties of is the original image.jpg
    which is in the Properties "General" tab as c:\dir4\dir5\dir6\image.jpg

    But that tells me nothing about where I put it.
    How can I get where I put it into the Windows clipboard?

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  • From Big Al@21:1/5 to knuttle on Wed Sep 18 18:27:47 2024
    On 9/18/24 06:01 PM, knuttle wrote:
    On 09/18/2024 5:10 PM, Quincy the fifth wrote:
    A million times a day I save something using any number of programs and
    then I have to do something else with it using any other program.

    All I want is to copy FROM the Windows File Explorer "Save As" window what >> the full path to the saved folder is, where all I get is a pulldown path.

    What I am forced to do is "Open command window here" to get the full path. >>
    An example is let's say I modify a photo in Irfanview and I save it using
    the Save As in Irfanview which brings up a "Save in" File Explorer window. >>
    In that "Save Picture As..." window, I right click in the white space and
    select "Open command window here" so that I can copy the prompt which is a >> $P$G prompt so that the full path to the save folder is part of the prompt. >>
    But Windows should make it easier than that to just get a full path name.
    As I understand your request, all you need to do is click the file icon, select Properties, and copy
    the file location in the general tab.

    This is the folder name with all subdirectories where the file is located.

    When I do this, I copy the location, and paste it where I want it.   I then go back to properties
    copy the file name and paste it after the location.

    Alternately use the Save As function to save the file.   Reopen the Save as menu, find the file you
    just save, and right click Properties, General Tab and copy the file location, etc
    I'm not sure I'm following you all, I'm kinda fuzzy on heavy meds for a few days, but I use CopyQ to
    manage my clipboard. If I copy anything to it, it's saved. I have a save list of 300 items (you
    can make more).

    If I need a previous file location again (2 clicks back) I can open the copyQ icon in the tray and
    move that string to the head of the line and it's ready for Ctrl-V paste.

    I can't live without it. I copy code snippets from here and there and there and there. When done,
    I go to copyQ and pull them out again. Very effective (for me).
    --
    Linux Mint 21.3, Cinnamon 6.0.4, Kernel 5.15.0-122-generic
    Al

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  • From Stan Brown@21:1/5 to Quincy the fifth on Wed Sep 18 17:08:26 2024
    On Wed, 18 Sep 2024 23:10:34 +0200, Quincy the fifth wrote:
    A million times a day I save something using any number of programs and
    then I have to do something else with it using any other program.

    All I want is to copy FROM the Windows File Explorer "Save As" window what the full path to the saved folder is, where all I get is a pulldown path.

    Right-click in the location bar at the top of that dialog, and select
    "Copy address as text".

    It works in File Explorer too, and probably other contexts I'm not
    remembering.

    --
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    Shikata ga nai...

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  • From Jack@21:1/5 to Quincy the fifth on Thu Sep 19 00:30:54 2024
    On 18/09/2024 22:10, Quincy the fifth wrote:


    But Windows should make it easier than that to just get a full path name.



    It is already as easy as it can be. To copy the full path of the image
    where it is saved, you simply right-click on that image or any other
    file and select "copy as path" <https://i.imgur.com/QlTkPIw.png>

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  • From knuttle@21:1/5 to All on Wed Sep 18 20:25:43 2024
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  • From knuttle@21:1/5 to Stan Brown on Wed Sep 18 20:33:42 2024
    On 09/18/2024 8:08 PM, Stan Brown wrote:
    On Wed, 18 Sep 2024 23:10:34 +0200, Quincy the fifth wrote:
    A million times a day I save something using any number of programs and
    then I have to do something else with it using any other program.

    All I want is to copy FROM the Windows File Explorer "Save As" window what >> the full path to the saved folder is, where all I get is a pulldown path.

    Right-click in the location bar at the top of that dialog, and select
    "Copy address as text".

    It works in File Explorer too, and probably other contexts I'm not remembering.

    Even and old person can learn something new. I have worked with Window
    since DOS day and never used that.

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  • From Quincy the fifth@21:1/5 to Jack on Thu Sep 19 02:39:17 2024
    On Thu, 19 Sep 2024 00:30:54 +0100, Jack wrote:


    But Windows should make it easier than that to just get a full path name.


    It is already as easy as it can be. To copy the full path of the image
    where it is saved, you simply right-click on that image or any other
    file and select "copy as path" <https://i.imgur.com/QlTkPIw.png>

    That's the location of the original image.
    But you need the location of the new image.

    1. Go to any directory that has photos in it.
    2. Doubleclick on one of the photos to open in your editor of choice.
    3. In my case, that's Irfanview so my example uses that editor of choice.
    4. From Irfanview, save the picture somewhere else (anywhere you want).
    5. Close Irfanview (but the trick has to happen BEFORE you do this!)
    6. What's in front of you is the old folder with the original image.
    7. The new image and new folder for that image is nowhere to be found.

    Obviously you need to save the new location to the clipboard BEFORE step 5.
    But how?

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  • From Quincy the fifth@21:1/5 to Stan Brown on Thu Sep 19 02:35:11 2024
    On Wed, 18 Sep 2024 17:08:26 -0700, Stan Brown wrote:


    All I want is to copy FROM the Windows File Explorer "Save As" window what >> the full path to the saved folder is, where all I get is a pulldown path.

    Right-click in the location bar at the top of that dialog, and select
    "Copy address as text".

    It works in File Explorer too, and probably other contexts I'm not remembering.

    I don't think anyone is following me, so I need to be explicit
    as it's my fault if people think something this hard is too easy.

    1. Go to any directory that has photos in it.
    2. Doubleclick on one of the photos to open in your editor of choice.
    3. In my case, that's Irfanview so my example uses that editor of choice.
    4. From Irfanview, save the picture somewhere else (anywhere you want).
    5. Close Irfanview.
    6. What's in front of you is the old folder with the original image.
    7. The new image and new folder for that image is nowhere to be found.

    How are you going to right-click on the location bar when the only thing
    you see in front of you will be the File Explorer of the old image folder?

    The new image folder is nowhere to be seen.
    You have to capture the full path somehow.

    The way I do it (as explained in the OP) works but it's cumbersome.
    Do it a thousand times a day and you too will seek a better way.

    There must be an easier way to put the new folder into the clipboard.
    But what?

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  • From Quincy the fifth@21:1/5 to knuttle on Thu Sep 19 02:45:10 2024
    On Wed, 18 Sep 2024 20:33:42 -0400, knuttle wrote:


    All I want is to copy FROM the Windows File Explorer "Save As" window what >>> the full path to the saved folder is, where all I get is a pulldown path. >>
    Right-click in the location bar at the top of that dialog, and select
    "Copy address as text".

    It works in File Explorer too, and probably other contexts I'm not
    remembering.

    Even and old person can learn something new. I have worked with Window
    since DOS day and never used that.

    Everyone is talking about the OLD location (where that trick works fine).
    But that trick above can't work when you don't have the NEW folder open.

    What I do works for saving the location of the NEW folder because I use the right click on white space in the Windows File Explorer "Save as" window to open a command window here, and then that gives me the $P$G prompt of that
    NEW location, from which I copy the NEW path into the Windows clipboard.

    But there must be an easier way to save the NEW location to the clipboard. Isn't there?

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Quincy the fifth on Wed Sep 18 18:08:54 2024
    On 2024-09-18 14:10, Quincy the fifth wrote:
    A million times a day I save something using any number of programs and
    then I have to do something else with it using any other program.

    All I want is to copy FROM the Windows File Explorer "Save As" window what the full path to the saved folder is, where all I get is a pulldown path.

    What I am forced to do is "Open command window here" to get the full path.

    An example is let's say I modify a photo in Irfanview and I save it using
    the Save As in Irfanview which brings up a "Save in" File Explorer window.

    In that "Save Picture As..." window, I right click in the white space and select "Open command window here" so that I can copy the prompt which is a $P$G prompt so that the full path to the save folder is part of the prompt.

    But Windows should make it easier than that to just get a full path name.

    When you start a post with:

    "Windows should make it easier..."

    ...there are so MANY endings.

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to Quincy the fifth on Wed Sep 18 20:11:20 2024
    Quincy the fifth wrote:
    On Wed, 18 Sep 2024 20:33:42 -0400, knuttle wrote:


    All I want is to copy FROM the Windows File Explorer "Save As" window what >>>> the full path to the saved folder is, where all I get is a pulldown path. >>>
    Right-click in the location bar at the top of that dialog, and select
    "Copy address as text".

    It works in File Explorer too, and probably other contexts I'm not
    remembering.

    Even and old person can learn something new. I have worked with Window
    since DOS day and never used that.

    Everyone is talking about the OLD location (where that trick works fine).
    But that trick above can't work when you don't have the NEW folder open.

    What I do works for saving the location of the NEW folder because I use the right click on white space in the Windows File Explorer "Save as" window to open a command window here, and then that gives me the $P$G prompt of that NEW location, from which I copy the NEW path into the Windows clipboard.

    But there must be an easier way to save the NEW location to the clipboard. Isn't there?


    This sounds like a job for Linux (if you don't mind typing out the
    proper commands).

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  • From Quincy the fifth@21:1/5 to Hank Rogers on Thu Sep 19 03:19:17 2024
    On Wed, 18 Sep 2024 20:11:20 -0500, Hank Rogers wrote:


    But there must be an easier way to save the NEW location to the clipboard. >> Isn't there?


    This sounds like a job for Linux (if you don't mind typing out the
    proper commands).

    Well, nobody asked but the way to get the "Open Command Prompt Here" in the Windows context menu when you right click in empty space is described here. https://www.windowscentral.com/add-open-command-window-here-back-context-menu-windows-10

    If the only way to get a future location of a file into the clipboard is to copy %P%G of the resulting command prompt, then I found the easiest way.

    But I was hoping there would be an easier way than the way I figured out.

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  • From Jack@21:1/5 to Quincy the fifth on Thu Sep 19 02:42:17 2024
    On 19/09/2024 02:19, Quincy the fifth wrote:

    Well, nobody asked but the way to get the "Open Command Prompt Here" in the Windows context menu when you right click in empty space is described here. https://www.windowscentral.com/add-open-command-window-here-back-context-menu-windows-10



    Better way is to type cmd in the location bar because some people's
    default will be powershell but typing cmd will make sure the command
    prompt opens exactly where you want it.

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  • From Zaidy036@21:1/5 to Quincy the fifth on Wed Sep 18 22:55:40 2024
    On 9/18/2024 8:35 PM, Quincy the fifth wrote:
    On Wed, 18 Sep 2024 17:08:26 -0700, Stan Brown wrote:


    All I want is to copy FROM the Windows File Explorer "Save As" window what >>> the full path to the saved folder is, where all I get is a pulldown path. >>
    Right-click in the location bar at the top of that dialog, and select
    "Copy address as text".

    It works in File Explorer too, and probably other contexts I'm not
    remembering.

    I don't think anyone is following me, so I need to be explicit
    as it's my fault if people think something this hard is too easy.

    1. Go to any directory that has photos in it.
    2. Doubleclick on one of the photos to open in your editor of choice.
    3. In my case, that's Irfanview so my example uses that editor of choice.
    4. From Irfanview, save the picture somewhere else (anywhere you want).
    5. Close Irfanview.
    6. What's in front of you is the old folder with the original image.
    7. The new image and new folder for that image is nowhere to be found.

    How are you going to right-click on the location bar when the only thing
    you see in front of you will be the File Explorer of the old image folder?

    The new image folder is nowhere to be seen.
    You have to capture the full path somehow.

    The way I do it (as explained in the OP) works but it's cumbersome.
    Do it a thousand times a day and you too will seek a better way.

    There must be an easier way to put the new folder into the clipboard.
    But what?
    open Notepad or Notepad++ and start a blank file. as you work copy the
    new locations into the Notepad so they will be repetitively accessible.
    delete file when done.

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  • From Big Al@21:1/5 to knuttle on Wed Sep 18 22:40:34 2024
    On 9/18/24 08:25 PM, knuttle wrote:
    On 09/18/2024 6:27 PM, Big Al wrote:
    On 9/18/24 06:01 PM, knuttle wrote:
    On 09/18/2024 5:10 PM, Quincy the fifth wrote:
    A million times a day I save something using any number of programs and >>>> then I have to do something else with it using any other program.

    All I want is to copy FROM the Windows File Explorer "Save As" window what >>>> the full path to the saved folder is, where all I get is a pulldown path. >>>>
    What I am forced to do is "Open command window here" to get the full path. >>>>
    An example is let's say I modify a photo in Irfanview and I save it using >>>> the Save As in Irfanview which brings up a "Save in" File Explorer window. >>>>
    In that "Save Picture As..." window, I right click in the white space and >>>> select "Open command window here" so that I can copy the prompt which is a >>>> $P$G prompt so that the full path to the save folder is part of the prompt.

    But Windows should make it easier than that to just get a full path name. >>> As I understand your request, all you need to do is click the file icon, select Properties, and
    copy the file location in the general tab.

    This is the folder name with all subdirectories where the file is located. >>>
    When I do this, I copy the location, and paste it where I want it.   I then go back to properties
    copy the file name and paste it after the location.

    Alternately use the Save As function to save the file.   Reopen the Save as menu, find the file
    you just save, and right click Properties, General Tab and copy the file location, etc
    I'm not sure I'm following you all, I'm kinda fuzzy on heavy meds for a few days, but I use CopyQ
    to manage my clipboard.  If I copy anything to it, it's saved.  I have a save list of 300 items
    (you can make more).

    If I need a previous file location again (2 clicks back) I can open the copyQ icon in the tray and
    move that string to the head of the line and it's ready for Ctrl-V paste.

    I can't live without it.  I copy code snippets from here and there and there and there.  When
    done, I go to copyQ and pull them out again. Very effective (for me).

    I believe you can accomplish what you are doing by Windows Key +V   ie use the windows key in place
    of the cntr V keystorks.

    This brings up all of the strings you have saved, and you can pin them to this window if you like

    I kinda thought Windows had something.
    --
    Linux Mint 21.3, Cinnamon 6.0.4, Kernel 5.15.0-122-generic
    Al

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to Alan on Wed Sep 18 23:11:24 2024
    On Wed, 9/18/2024 9:08 PM, Alan wrote:
    On 2024-09-18 14:10, Quincy the fifth wrote:
    A million times a day I save something using any number of programs and
    then I have to do something else with it using any other program.

    All I want is to copy FROM the Windows File Explorer "Save As" window what >> the full path to the saved folder is, where all I get is a pulldown path.

    What I am forced to do is "Open command window here" to get the full path. >>
    An example is let's say I modify a photo in Irfanview and I save it using
    the Save As in Irfanview which brings up a "Save in" File Explorer window. >>
    In that "Save Picture As..." window, I right click in the white space and
    select "Open command window here" so that I can copy the prompt which is a >> $P$G prompt so that the full path to the save folder is part of the prompt. >>
    But Windows should make it easier than that to just get a full path name.

    When you start a post with:

    "Windows should make it easier..."

    ...there are so MANY endings.

    I can think of the odd thing, that Windows now does better.
    The right-click to copy a string in terminal, then right-click
    to paste that same string, comes to mind. In Linux, you have to
    select "Copy" from a menu, then select "Paste" from a menu,
    because ctrl-C is overloaded, and that key-pair both copies
    and kills processes.

    And when you want to rename a file in Linux ? Well, get outta here.
    You have to select "rename" from some fucking menu, like a chimpanzee.
    It used to work properly. I never did hear an explanation or a
    justification for adding an extra (obnoxious) step. It didn't always
    work like that. If I want to copy a file name, I select the file,
    select "Rename" (even though I won't be renaming anything), copy
    a port of the string in the tiny dialog box, "copy" the string,
    then paste it somewhere. For some value of "simple".

    I have to admit, I don't usually see UI features "go backwards"
    in Windows, but they have done that in Linux (take a shorter sequence,
    make it longer, then fail to explain to people how the new
    sequence is "better").

    And in Linux, why can't they leave the bloody file manager in
    "Details" display mode ? Why do I have to (over and over and over again...) turn on Details mode ??? Then, of the four file managers, the icons
    for selecting the mode, are different on each one, so you're staring
    at the menu bar and going "which one of you mother fuckers is the
    Details button this week". (Nemo, Thunar, Nautilus, PCManFM, Caja.
    hope I didn't forget any of them...) <=== and you know, when I
    want to do file sharing and get a file off WIndows, I have to *type*
    these fucking things into a Terminal, since the GUI doesn't work.
    This means, for the distro I'm working in, I have to successfully
    remember my context, and whether it is Caja I should be typing
    or Thunar. How many names do you have to memorize on Windows,
    by comparison ? And the names just roll off your tongue too.
    And when the mood strikes them, they will "alias" stuff,
    like instead of accepting "Xed", they want you to type some
    variant of "TextEditor". Or "Disks" or "Files" as shorthands
    for something else.

    IDK, I think overall, windows does a damn fine job. I can easily
    generate a $1 Linux Rant without too much effort.

    Paul

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  • From VanguardLH@21:1/5 to Quincy the fifth on Wed Sep 18 23:51:03 2024
    Quincy the fifth <quincythefifth@telekom.net> wrote:

    A million times a day I save something using any number of programs and
    then I have to do something else with it using any other program.

    All I want is to copy FROM the Windows File Explorer "Save As" window what the full path to the saved folder is, where all I get is a pulldown path.

    What I am forced to do is "Open command window here" to get the full path.

    An example is let's say I modify a photo in Irfanview and I save it using
    the Save As in Irfanview which brings up a "Save in" File Explorer window.

    In that "Save Picture As..." window, I right click in the white space and select "Open command window here" so that I can copy the prompt which is a $P$G prompt so that the full path to the save folder is part of the prompt.

    But Windows should make it easier than that to just get a full path name.

    In File Explorer, just click to the right of the breadcrumbs in the
    address bar which then changes to a string path.

    To use the file seen in File Explorer in another program, why can't you
    just right-click on the file in File Explorer and select Copy from the
    context menu?

    I cannot address why many programs decided to use their own custom file browsers. They can use the standard Windows file browser dialog, or use
    their own. You are NOT using File Explorer when using Save As in any
    program. You are using either the standard file browser dialog as an
    object coded into the program using Windows libs, or you are using a
    custom one coded for use within the program by the devs of that program. Complain to Irfanview if they don't give you the file system view that
    you want.

    When in Irfanview, and using its browser dialog to pick as location to
    save a file loading in Irfanview, Irfanview doesn't let you right-click
    on a location shown in its browser dialog to let you save it? When you
    click on a destination, there is no field in Irfanview's browser dialog
    that populates with the destination before you click Okay or Save?

    https://www.irfanview.net/tutorials/bartosz_makuch1/images/image034.jpg

    That is NOT File Explorer. It is also not the standard browser dialog.
    Contact Irfanview on why they designed a truncated file viewer.

    https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/dlgbox/open-and-save-as-dialog-boxes

    That is the Windows standard file browser, but a program can use it, or
    use their own. Irfanview decided to use their own. Don't blame Windows
    for a program that the devs decided to use a custom file browser dialog.

    Not an issue with Windows. Not an issue with the standard file browser
    dialog available in libs a program could use. The issue is with the non-standard file browser dialog the program chose to use.

    https://www.irfanview.com/main_support_engl.htm
    Click on the "SEND US AN EMAIL" mailto hyperlink in the top row.
    Ask them.

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  • From Graham J@21:1/5 to Quincy the fifth on Thu Sep 19 08:39:22 2024
    Quincy the fifth wrote:
    A million times a day I save something using any number of programs and
    then I have to do something else with it using any other program.

    All I want is to copy FROM the Windows File Explorer "Save As" window what the full path to the saved folder is, where all I get is a pulldown path.

    What I am forced to do is "Open command window here" to get the full path.

    An example is let's say I modify a photo in Irfanview and I save it using
    the Save As in Irfanview which brings up a "Save in" File Explorer window.

    In that "Save Picture As..." window, I right click in the white space and select "Open command window here" so that I can copy the prompt which is a $P$G prompt so that the full path to the save folder is part of the prompt.

    But Windows should make it easier than that to just get a full path name.


    The most important think is to decide where you want to put your
    new/modified file ***FIRST***.

    Open that folder using Windows Explorer. Click on the address field at
    the top. This will highlight the full path - e.g.:

    C:\Users\Graham\Documents\Admin\Bank

    Copy that path. (Control-C is easiest.) You now have the full path name
    in the copy/paste buffer.

    Open your file of interest. Use its app's "Save as ..." option. Click
    on the address field at the top of the "Save as ..." window. This will highlight the current target folder. (Use Control-V to) Paste - this
    replaces the address with your saved path. Now "Enter" - this new path
    is now opened ready for the target file name

    Now decide on the name for your new/modified file, and type it into the
    "File name:" field. Click "Save".

    The target path name remains in the copy/paste buffer until you invoke a
    new "Copy" operation.

    It takes an awful lot longer to type this than to actually do it!


    --
    Graham J

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to Quincy the fifth on Thu Sep 19 06:39:24 2024
    On Wed, 9/18/2024 5:10 PM, Quincy the fifth wrote:
    A million times a day I save something using any number of programs and
    then I have to do something else with it using any other program.

    All I want is to copy FROM the Windows File Explorer "Save As" window what the full path to the saved folder is, where all I get is a pulldown path.

    What I am forced to do is "Open command window here" to get the full path.

    An example is let's say I modify a photo in Irfanview and I save it using
    the Save As in Irfanview which brings up a "Save in" File Explorer window.

    In that "Save Picture As..." window, I right click in the white space and select "Open command window here" so that I can copy the prompt which is a $P$G prompt so that the full path to the save folder is part of the prompt.

    But Windows should make it easier than that to just get a full path name.


    The Sysinternals Handle program, can show what folder a program
    is looking at.

    https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/downloads/handle

    [Picture]

    https://i.postimg.cc/jSYtcQWD/open-handles-has-it.gif

    This was a particularly egregious example, because of course the
    executable doesn't have the same name as the popular program name.

    The other methods for doing things like this, are just a wee bit
    too slow to consider.

    The speed of Handle is OK, if you "focus" the tool oh an item of interest.
    It can be a lot slower, if you dump every handle.

    You will notice I cheated, by using a separate volume to keep the
    path name short. You might use some mount-magic (SUBST or similar),
    to make a separately named tree where you keep your images. The other
    option might be to use a library-ms (and those, you either like them
    or hate them).

    Paul

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  • From R.Wieser@21:1/5 to All on Thu Sep 19 13:41:54 2024
    Quincy,

    If the only way to get a future location of a file into the clipboard is
    to
    copy %P%G of the resulting command prompt, then I found the easiest way.

    But I was hoping there would be an easier way than the way I figured out.

    I don't know if W10 still has "recent documents", but if so there is a good chance you will find your (just saved) file mentioned there. If so use right-click -> properties -> Target to grab the full filename.

    Or just do the usual (double-click) to open/copy/etc. the file.

    Regards,
    Rudy Wieser

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  • From Herbert Kleebauer@21:1/5 to Quincy the fifth on Thu Sep 19 14:37:25 2024
    On 19.09.2024 02:35, Quincy the fifth wrote:

    1. Go to any directory that has photos in it.
    2. Doubleclick on one of the photos to open in your editor of choice.
    3. In my case, that's Irfanview so my example uses that editor of choice.
    4. From Irfanview, save the picture somewhere else (anywhere you want).

    In the "save as" window of Irfanview, right click on a picture already stored in the destination folder, then you can copy the path ("als Pfad kopieren" in German) to this picture. If it has to be your newly saved picture, you have
    to open the "save as" dialog again, so your new picture is shown already.

    5. Close Irfanview.
    6. What's in front of you is the old folder with the original image.
    7. The new image and new folder for that image is nowhere to be found.


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  • From Dennis@21:1/5 to All on Thu Sep 19 09:52:40 2024
    On Thu, 19 Sep 2024 13:41:54 +0200, "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid>
    wrote:

    Quincy,

    If the only way to get a future location of a file into the clipboard is
    to
    copy %P%G of the resulting command prompt, then I found the easiest way.

    But I was hoping there would be an easier way than the way I figured out.

    I don't know if W10 still has "recent documents", but if so there is a good >chance you will find your (just saved) file mentioned there.

    Yes it does. But you may need to turn it on. I just tried it with
    Irfanview and the file that was saved to the new location shows up in
    Recent. All you need to do is right click and select "Open file
    location".

    --

    Dennis

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  • From Frank Slootweg@21:1/5 to Quincy the fifth on Thu Sep 19 15:26:00 2024
    Quincy the fifth <quincythefifth@telekom.net> wrote:
    On Wed, 18 Sep 2024 20:33:42 -0400, knuttle wrote:


    All I want is to copy FROM the Windows File Explorer "Save As" window what
    the full path to the saved folder is, where all I get is a pulldown path. >>
    Right-click in the location bar at the top of that dialog, and select
    "Copy address as text".

    It works in File Explorer too, and probably other contexts I'm not
    remembering.

    Even and old person can learn something new. I have worked with Window since DOS day and never used that.

    Everyone is talking about the OLD location (where that trick works fine).
    But that trick above can't work when you don't have the NEW folder open.

    Nope, Stan is talking about the NEW folder, the one to be used by
    "Save As". In *that* "Save as" window, you do

    Right-click in the location bar at the top of that dialog, and select
    "Copy address as text".

    *BEFORE* you click on the 'Save' button (because as soon as you click on
    Save, the window - and hence the path to be saved - is gone).

    Instead of right-click and "Copy address as text", you can also use a
    normal click in the empty space to the right of the chevrons-path, which
    will turn the chevrons-path into a normal path and highlight it, so it's
    ready to be copied.

    Example: "> This PC > Windows (C:) > TEMP" -> click behind the "TEMP
    part -> "C:\TEMP" (highlighted, ready to be copied, with for example
    ctrl-C)

    [...]

    But there must be an easier way to save the NEW location to the clipboard. Isn't there?

    Yes, see above.

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  • From Quincy the fifth@21:1/5 to Herbert Kleebauer on Thu Sep 19 17:52:48 2024
    On Thu, 19 Sep 2024 14:37:25 +0200, Herbert Kleebauer wrote:

    1. Go to any directory that has photos in it.
    2. Doubleclick on one of the photos to open in your editor of choice.
    3. In my case, that's Irfanview so my example uses that editor of choice.
    4. From Irfanview, save the picture somewhere else (anywhere you want).

    In the "save as" window of Irfanview, right click on a picture already stored in the destination folder, then you can copy the path ("als Pfad kopieren" in German) to this picture. If it has to be your newly saved picture, you have to open the "save as" dialog again, so your new picture is shown already.

    That's it! You are a genius! It works even BETTER than you said it did!

    Yours is an interesting method, which is even more efficient than the open-command-window-here in empty space (temporarily interrupting the
    Windows File Explore save-as window GUI).

    Instead of saving the file from Irfanview into a new (empty) folder and clicking on the white space of that Windows File Explore save-as window to right click "open cmd window here" and copying the "$P" in the prompt...

    Instead... I can just right click in the empty space & select "Properties"
    from the context menu to copy the "Location:" to the Windows 10 clipboard!

    It doesn't even need an image previously stored in the destination folder!

    And it's extensible, as I just used this 'properties > location' clipboard method to find the second image in this Irfanview MERGE operation. https://i.postimg.cc/Dyx4gP9m/copypathtoclipboard.jpg

    As an aside, it's unfortunate that the Irfanview "Recent Folders" fails to
    get the NEW folders (because it doesn't know about the new folder yet).

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  • From micky@21:1/5 to the fifth on Thu Sep 19 13:57:03 2024
    In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Wed, 18 Sep 2024 23:10:34 +0200, Quincy
    the fifth <quincythefifth@telekom.net> wrote:

    A million times a day I save something using any number of programs and
    then I have to do something else with it using any other program.

    All I want is to copy FROM the Windows File Explorer "Save As" window what >the full path to the saved folder is, where all I get is a pulldown path.

    What I am forced to do is "Open command window here" to get the full path.

    An example is let's say I modify a photo in Irfanview and I save it using
    the Save As in Irfanview which brings up a "Save in" File Explorer window.

    In that "Save Picture As..." window, I right click in the white space and >select "Open command window here" so that I can copy the prompt which is a >$P$G prompt so that the full path to the save folder is part of the prompt.

    But Windows should make it easier than that to just get a full path name.

    I haven't read the whole thread yet, but at least one file manager has
    Copy Full Path. However it's not the win10-included or PowerDesk, and I
    forget who had that. ;-(

    If it's in the right-click context list for a file manager, maybe that
    would cause it to be in the context list for the same file when you find
    it somewhere else??

    If you do go looking for other file managers, note that some or all of
    the free ones are 32-bit, but if you want it see all your files, you
    need a 64-bit file manager. The only file I know of that is 64 bits
    is HOSTS, or hosts. but one is enough to drive you crazy if you don't
    know why it's missing. C:\Windows\System32\drivers\etc\hosts

    To find the location of that file I used Everything, and "Copy Full Name
    to Clipboard" is one of its context options, but of course if you
    havent' been running Everything, it takes a while to gather the info it
    needs.

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  • From Quincy the fifth@21:1/5 to Frank Slootweg on Thu Sep 19 19:42:36 2024
    On 19 Sep 2024 15:26:00 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote:


    Quincy the fifth <quincythefifth@telekom.net> wrote:
    On Wed, 18 Sep 2024 20:33:42 -0400, knuttle wrote:

    All I want is to copy FROM the Windows File Explorer "Save As" window what
    the full path to the saved folder is, where all I get is a pulldown path. >>>>
    Right-click in the location bar at the top of that dialog, and select
    "Copy address as text".

    It works in File Explorer too, and probably other contexts I'm not
    remembering.

    Even and old person can learn something new. I have worked with Window
    since DOS day and never used that.

    Everyone is talking about the OLD location (where that trick works fine).
    But that trick above can't work when you don't have the NEW folder open.

    Nope, Stan is talking about the NEW folder, the one to be used by
    "Save As". In *that* "Save as" window, you do

    Right-click in the location bar at the top of that dialog, and select
    "Copy address as text".

    *BEFORE* you click on the 'Save' button (because as soon as you click on Save, the window - and hence the path to be saved - is gone).

    Instead of right-click and "Copy address as text", you can also use a normal click in the empty space to the right of the chevrons-path, which
    will turn the chevrons-path into a normal path and highlight it, so it's ready to be copied.

    Example: "> This PC > Windows (C:) > TEMP" -> click behind the "TEMP
    part -> "C:\TEMP" (highlighted, ready to be copied, with for example
    ctrl-C)

    [...]

    But there must be an easier way to save the NEW location to the clipboard. >> Isn't there?

    Yes, see above.

    The chevron gives me the full path but no way to save it to the clipboard.
    So I must not be understanding either where or when I'm supposed to click.

    I can and have clicked anywhere I want in the menu bar before I hit the
    final Irfanview/Windows Save button, but the menu isn't there that I need.

    Which of the arrows is it to click on in the screenshot below? https://i.postimg.cc/Qxhn4xGY/saveasgetwholefilespec.jpg

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  • From Frank Slootweg@21:1/5 to Quincy the fifth on Thu Sep 19 17:28:11 2024
    Quincy the fifth <quincythefifth@telekom.net> wrote:
    On Thu, 19 Sep 2024 14:37:25 +0200, Herbert Kleebauer wrote:

    1. Go to any directory that has photos in it.
    2. Doubleclick on one of the photos to open in your editor of choice.
    3. In my case, that's Irfanview so my example uses that editor of choice. >> 4. From Irfanview, save the picture somewhere else (anywhere you want).

    In the "save as" window of Irfanview, right click on a picture already stored
    in the destination folder, then you can copy the path ("als Pfad kopieren" in
    German) to this picture. If it has to be your newly saved picture, you have to open the "save as" dialog again, so your new picture is shown already.

    That's it! You are a genius! It works even BETTER than you said it did!

    Yours is an interesting method, which is even more efficient than the open-command-window-here in empty space (temporarily interrupting the
    Windows File Explore save-as window GUI).

    Instead of saving the file from Irfanview into a new (empty) folder and clicking on the white space of that Windows File Explore save-as window to right click "open cmd window here" and copying the "$P" in the prompt...

    Instead... I can just right click in the empty space & select "Properties" from the context menu to copy the "Location:" to the Windows 10 clipboard!

    It doesn't even need an image previously stored in the destination folder!

    And it's extensible, as I just used this 'properties > location' clipboard method to find the second image in this Irfanview MERGE operation. https://i.postimg.cc/Dyx4gP9m/copypathtoclipboard.jpg

    As an aside, it's unfortunate that the Irfanview "Recent Folders" fails to get the NEW folders (because it doesn't know about the new folder yet).

    Sigh! Your example was a bad one, because apparently IrfanView uses
    its *own* "Save Picture As ..." (note ... Picture ...), *not* the
    general *Windows* "Save As" (note, no "Picture") window.

    So now take *another* program which *does* use the general Windows
    "Save As" window and follow the - much easier - instructions which
    others (Stan, I, etc..) gave. For example in Chrome use
    <three_vertical_dots> -> Cast, save, and share -> Save -> Save page as
    ...

    What's also wrong in your example is that you apparently want the path
    of the *parent* folder (G:\data in your screenshot), not of the folder
    in which the picture is saved (gmail_takeout in your screenshot). Or is
    your way a clumsy way of getting the full path (G:\data\gmail_takeout)
    by getting the parent (G:\data) and child (gmail_takeout) part
    seperately?

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  • From Frank Slootweg@21:1/5 to Quincy the fifth on Thu Sep 19 17:58:17 2024
    Quincy the fifth <quincythefifth@telekom.net> wrote:
    On 19 Sep 2024 15:26:00 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote:


    Quincy the fifth <quincythefifth@telekom.net> wrote:
    On Wed, 18 Sep 2024 20:33:42 -0400, knuttle wrote:

    All I want is to copy FROM the Windows File Explorer "Save As" window what
    the full path to the saved folder is, where all I get is a pulldown path.

    Right-click in the location bar at the top of that dialog, and select >>>> "Copy address as text".

    It works in File Explorer too, and probably other contexts I'm not
    remembering.

    Even and old person can learn something new. I have worked with Window >>> since DOS day and never used that.

    Everyone is talking about the OLD location (where that trick works fine). >> But that trick above can't work when you don't have the NEW folder open.

    Nope, Stan is talking about the NEW folder, the one to be used by
    "Save As". In *that* "Save as" window, you do

    Right-click in the location bar at the top of that dialog, and select >>>> "Copy address as text".

    *BEFORE* you click on the 'Save' button (because as soon as you click on Save, the window - and hence the path to be saved - is gone).

    Instead of right-click and "Copy address as text", you can also use a normal click in the empty space to the right of the chevrons-path, which will turn the chevrons-path into a normal path and highlight it, so it's ready to be copied.

    Example: "> This PC > Windows (C:) > TEMP" -> click behind the "TEMP
    part -> "C:\TEMP" (highlighted, ready to be copied, with for example ctrl-C)

    [...]

    But there must be an easier way to save the NEW location to the clipboard. >> Isn't there?

    Yes, see above.

    The chevron gives me the full path but no way to save it to the clipboard.
    So I must not be understanding either where or when I'm supposed to click.

    I can and have clicked anywhere I want in the menu bar before I hit the
    final Irfanview/Windows Save button, but the menu isn't there that I need.

    Which of the arrows is it to click on in the screenshot below? https://i.postimg.cc/Qxhn4xGY/saveasgetwholefilespec.jpg

    See my other response. You're mixing up the non-standard *IrfanView*
    "Save Picture As..." window with the standard/generic *Windows* "Save
    As" window. So you implied that your example was a generic one, but it
    isn't!

    In your OP you said:

    All I want is to copy FROM the Windows File Explorer "Save As" window what the full path to the saved folder is, where all I get is a pulldown path.

    But you're NOT using the "Windows File Explorer "Save As" window",
    you're using the *totally different* *IrfanView* "Save Picture As..."
    window.

    If you had tried another example, i.e. more than one, you would have
    probably found that out yourself, but you didn't.

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  • From micky@21:1/5 to keith_nuttle@yahoo.com on Thu Sep 19 14:01:12 2024
    In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Wed, 18 Sep 2024 20:33:42 -0400, knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> wrote:

    On 09/18/2024 8:08 PM, Stan Brown wrote:
    On Wed, 18 Sep 2024 23:10:34 +0200, Quincy the fifth wrote:
    A million times a day I save something using any number of programs and
    then I have to do something else with it using any other program.

    All I want is to copy FROM the Windows File Explorer "Save As" window what >>> the full path to the saved folder is, where all I get is a pulldown path. >>
    Right-click in the location bar at the top of that dialog, and select
    "Copy address as text".

    It works in File Explorer too, and probably other contexts I'm not
    remembering.

    Even and old person can learn something new. I have worked with Window
    since DOS day and never used that.

    Hey, me too. It never occurred to me to right click on the location
    box.

    What's the difference between Copy Address and Copy Address as Text?

    And when I chose Edit Address, the right click options completely
    changed!!!

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  • From Quincy the fifth@21:1/5 to Frank Slootweg on Thu Sep 19 20:11:23 2024
    On 19 Sep 2024 17:28:11 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote:


    Quincy the fifth <quincythefifth@telekom.net> wrote:
    On Thu, 19 Sep 2024 14:37:25 +0200, Herbert Kleebauer wrote:

    1. Go to any directory that has photos in it.
    2. Doubleclick on one of the photos to open in your editor of choice.
    3. In my case, that's Irfanview so my example uses that editor of choice. >>>> 4. From Irfanview, save the picture somewhere else (anywhere you want). >>>
    In the "save as" window of Irfanview, right click on a picture already stored
    in the destination folder, then you can copy the path ("als Pfad kopieren" in
    German) to this picture. If it has to be your newly saved picture, you have >>> to open the "save as" dialog again, so your new picture is shown already. >>
    That's it! You are a genius! It works even BETTER than you said it did!

    Yours is an interesting method, which is even more efficient than the
    open-command-window-here in empty space (temporarily interrupting the
    Windows File Explore save-as window GUI).

    Instead of saving the file from Irfanview into a new (empty) folder and
    clicking on the white space of that Windows File Explore save-as window to >> right click "open cmd window here" and copying the "$P" in the prompt...

    Instead... I can just right click in the empty space & select "Properties" >> from the context menu to copy the "Location:" to the Windows 10 clipboard! >>
    It doesn't even need an image previously stored in the destination folder! >>
    And it's extensible, as I just used this 'properties > location' clipboard >> method to find the second image in this Irfanview MERGE operation.
    https://i.postimg.cc/Dyx4gP9m/copypathtoclipboard.jpg

    As an aside, it's unfortunate that the Irfanview "Recent Folders" fails to >> get the NEW folders (because it doesn't know about the new folder yet).

    Sigh! Your example was a bad one, because apparently IrfanView uses
    its *own* "Save Picture As ..." (note ... Picture ...), *not* the
    general *Windows* "Save As" (note, no "Picture") window.

    So now take *another* program which *does* use the general Windows
    "Save As" window and follow the - much easier - instructions which
    others (Stan, I, etc..) gave. For example in Chrome use
    <three_vertical_dots> -> Cast, save, and share -> Save -> Save page as
    ...

    What's also wrong in your example is that you apparently want the path
    of the *parent* folder (G:\data in your screenshot), not of the folder
    in which the picture is saved (gmail_takeout in your screenshot). Or is
    your way a clumsy way of getting the full path (G:\data\gmail_takeout)
    by getting the parent (G:\data) and child (gmail_takeout) part
    seperately?

    I was in a hurry when I made that screenshot as I was so exited it worked.

    You are correct in pointing out that I will always want the full complete
    path to the final Save-As folder, so my prior screenshot was off by a
    folder when I tried Herbert's suggested method, which is corrected below.

    Here is a screenshot of Herbert's method of right clicking in the
    Irfanview Save Picture As white space to select "Properties" where
    the full path can be copied with selection and control C in the form. https://i.postimg.cc/bJG11rzV/propertiesmethod.jpg

    In contrast, here is a screenshot of the old original method copying the $P
    of the path in a command window by right clicking in the Irfanview Save
    Picture As white space to select the "open command window here" context. https://i.postimg.cc/3wYKgv9n/commandwindowmethod.jpg

    If there is an easier way of doing it, that's what this thread is about.

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  • From Quincy the fifth@21:1/5 to Frank Slootweg on Thu Sep 19 20:16:16 2024
    On 19 Sep 2024 17:58:17 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote:


    Quincy the fifth <quincythefifth@telekom.net> wrote:
    On Wed, 18 Sep 2024 20:33:42 -0400, knuttle wrote:

    All I want is to copy FROM the Windows File Explorer "Save As" window what
    the full path to the saved folder is, where all I get is a pulldown path.

    Right-click in the location bar at the top of that dialog, and select >>>>>> "Copy address as text".

    It works in File Explorer too, and probably other contexts I'm not >>>>>> remembering.

    Even and old person can learn something new. I have worked with Window >>>>> since DOS day and never used that.

    Everyone is talking about the OLD location (where that trick works fine). >>>> But that trick above can't work when you don't have the NEW folder open. >>>
    Nope, Stan is talking about the NEW folder, the one to be used by
    "Save As". In *that* "Save as" window, you do

    Right-click in the location bar at the top of that dialog, and select >>>>>> "Copy address as text".

    *BEFORE* you click on the 'Save' button (because as soon as you click on >>> Save, the window - and hence the path to be saved - is gone).

    Instead of right-click and "Copy address as text", you can also use a
    normal click in the empty space to the right of the chevrons-path, which >>> will turn the chevrons-path into a normal path and highlight it, so it's >>> ready to be copied.

    Example: "> This PC > Windows (C:) > TEMP" -> click behind the "TEMP
    part -> "C:\TEMP" (highlighted, ready to be copied, with for example
    ctrl-C)

    [...]

    But there must be an easier way to save the NEW location to the clipboard. >>>> Isn't there?

    Yes, see above.

    The chevron gives me the full path but no way to save it to the clipboard. >> So I must not be understanding either where or when I'm supposed to click. >>
    I can and have clicked anywhere I want in the menu bar before I hit the
    final Irfanview/Windows Save button, but the menu isn't there that I need. >>
    Which of the arrows is it to click on in the screenshot below?
    https://i.postimg.cc/Qxhn4xGY/saveasgetwholefilespec.jpg

    See my other response. You're mixing up the non-standard *IrfanView*
    "Save Picture As..." window with the standard/generic *Windows* "Save
    As" window. So you implied that your example was a generic one, but it
    isn't!

    In your OP you said:

    All I want is to copy FROM the Windows File Explorer "Save As" window what >> the full path to the saved folder is, where all I get is a pulldown path.

    But you're NOT using the "Windows File Explorer "Save As" window",
    you're using the *totally different* *IrfanView* "Save Picture As..."
    window.

    If you had tried another example, i.e. more than one, you would have probably found that out yourself, but you didn't.

    That explains why I couldn't reproduce Stan's suggested method.

    I had arbitrarily picked Irfanview's Save As, but I'll try other examples,
    as what you've shown is that it matters which program does the Save As.

    Thanks.

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  • From Quincy the fifth@21:1/5 to micky on Thu Sep 19 20:25:01 2024
    On Thu, 19 Sep 2024 14:01:12 -0400, micky wrote:


    On 09/18/2024 8:08 PM, Stan Brown wrote:
    On Wed, 18 Sep 2024 23:10:34 +0200, Quincy the fifth wrote:
    A million times a day I save something using any number of programs and >>>> then I have to do something else with it using any other program.

    All I want is to copy FROM the Windows File Explorer "Save As" window what >>>> the full path to the saved folder is, where all I get is a pulldown path. >>>
    Right-click in the location bar at the top of that dialog, and select
    "Copy address as text".

    It works in File Explorer too, and probably other contexts I'm not
    remembering.

    Even and old person can learn something new. I have worked with Window >>since DOS day and never used that.

    Hey, me too. It never occurred to me to right click on the location
    box.

    What's the difference between Copy Address and Copy Address as Text?

    And when I chose Edit Address, the right click options completely
    changed!!!

    Can someone give the EXACT program they are using please?

    I tried the method that Stan suggested (and Frank suggested too), with
    Dialog just a moment ago, and Herbert's and my methods worked, but not
    theirs.

    No matter where I clicked, right or left, what Stan suggested should show
    up didn't show up. In fact, nothing showed up but the graphical tree. https://i.postimg.cc/c4ymWRmD/dialog.jpg

    I need something that is the full path that I can copy to the clipboard.
    Not a graphical tree (which is only visual).

    I think Herbert's method is universal while Stan's can't be reproduced by
    me yet, but I'm probably not using whatever program's Save As you're using.

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  • From Quincy the fifth@21:1/5 to Frank Slootweg on Thu Sep 19 20:29:09 2024
    On 19 Sep 2024 18:25:06 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote:


    Quincy the fifth <quincythefifth@telekom.net> wrote:
    On 19 Sep 2024 17:28:11 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote:

    Quincy the fifth <quincythefifth@telekom.net> wrote:
    On Thu, 19 Sep 2024 14:37:25 +0200, Herbert Kleebauer wrote:

    1. Go to any directory that has photos in it.
    2. Doubleclick on one of the photos to open in your editor of choice. >>>>>> 3. In my case, that's Irfanview so my example uses that editor of choice.
    4. From Irfanview, save the picture somewhere else (anywhere you want). >>>>>
    In the "save as" window of Irfanview, right click on a picture already stored
    in the destination folder, then you can copy the path ("als Pfad kopieren" in
    German) to this picture. If it has to be your newly saved picture, you have
    to open the "save as" dialog again, so your new picture is shown already. >>>>
    That's it! You are a genius! It works even BETTER than you said it did! >>>>
    Yours is an interesting method, which is even more efficient than the
    open-command-window-here in empty space (temporarily interrupting the
    Windows File Explore save-as window GUI).

    Instead of saving the file from Irfanview into a new (empty) folder and >>>> clicking on the white space of that Windows File Explore save-as window to >>>> right click "open cmd window here" and copying the "$P" in the prompt... >>>>
    Instead... I can just right click in the empty space & select "Properties" >>>> from the context menu to copy the "Location:" to the Windows 10 clipboard! >>>>
    It doesn't even need an image previously stored in the destination folder! >>>>
    And it's extensible, as I just used this 'properties > location' clipboard >>>> method to find the second image in this Irfanview MERGE operation.
    https://i.postimg.cc/Dyx4gP9m/copypathtoclipboard.jpg

    As an aside, it's unfortunate that the Irfanview "Recent Folders" fails to >>>> get the NEW folders (because it doesn't know about the new folder yet). >>>
    Sigh! Your example was a bad one, because apparently IrfanView uses
    its *own* "Save Picture As ..." (note ... Picture ...), *not* the
    general *Windows* "Save As" (note, no "Picture") window.

    Non response duly noted!

    You're missing the point, probably intentionally.

    You have a *IrfanView* related question/problem, not a generic
    *Windows* "Save as" window one.

    Different programs, different windows, different solutions.

    So now take *another* program which *does* use the general Windows
    "Save As" window and follow the - much easier - instructions which
    others (Stan, I, etc..) gave. For example in Chrome use
    <three_vertical_dots> -> Cast, save, and share -> Save -> Save page as
    ...

    What's also wrong in your example is that you apparently want the path >>> of the *parent* folder (G:\data in your screenshot), not of the folder
    in which the picture is saved (gmail_takeout in your screenshot). Or is
    your way a clumsy way of getting the full path (G:\data\gmail_takeout)
    by getting the parent (G:\data) and child (gmail_takeout) part
    seperately?

    I was in a hurry when I made that screenshot as I was so exited it worked. >>
    You are correct in pointing out that I will always want the full complete
    path to the final Save-As folder, so my prior screenshot was off by a
    folder when I tried Herbert's suggested method, which is corrected below.

    Read my lips: You're NOT using standard/generic *Windows* "Save as",
    you're using *IrfanView-specific* "Save Picture As...". Two totally
    different beasts.

    [More *IrfanView-only* related stuff deleted.]

    Here is Dialog, which is the first program I just tested after Irfanview. https://i.postimg.cc/c4ymWRmD/dialog.jpg

    Herbert's method worked.
    Stan's method didn't exist.

    I suspect Herbert's method is universal - Stan's method can't be universal. Otherwise Stan's wouldn't be so difficult to reproduce with any program.

    Even so, I'd like to reproduce what Stan suggested. Can you show a
    screenshot of Stan's method - or at lest tell me the steps to do?

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  • From Frank Slootweg@21:1/5 to Quincy the fifth on Thu Sep 19 18:25:06 2024
    Quincy the fifth <quincythefifth@telekom.net> wrote:
    On 19 Sep 2024 17:28:11 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote:


    Quincy the fifth <quincythefifth@telekom.net> wrote:
    On Thu, 19 Sep 2024 14:37:25 +0200, Herbert Kleebauer wrote:

    1. Go to any directory that has photos in it.
    2. Doubleclick on one of the photos to open in your editor of choice. >>>> 3. In my case, that's Irfanview so my example uses that editor of choice.
    4. From Irfanview, save the picture somewhere else (anywhere you want). >>>
    In the "save as" window of Irfanview, right click on a picture already stored
    in the destination folder, then you can copy the path ("als Pfad kopieren" in
    German) to this picture. If it has to be your newly saved picture, you have
    to open the "save as" dialog again, so your new picture is shown already. >>
    That's it! You are a genius! It works even BETTER than you said it did!

    Yours is an interesting method, which is even more efficient than the
    open-command-window-here in empty space (temporarily interrupting the
    Windows File Explore save-as window GUI).

    Instead of saving the file from Irfanview into a new (empty) folder and
    clicking on the white space of that Windows File Explore save-as window to >> right click "open cmd window here" and copying the "$P" in the prompt... >>
    Instead... I can just right click in the empty space & select "Properties" >> from the context menu to copy the "Location:" to the Windows 10 clipboard! >>
    It doesn't even need an image previously stored in the destination folder! >>
    And it's extensible, as I just used this 'properties > location' clipboard >> method to find the second image in this Irfanview MERGE operation.
    https://i.postimg.cc/Dyx4gP9m/copypathtoclipboard.jpg

    As an aside, it's unfortunate that the Irfanview "Recent Folders" fails to >> get the NEW folders (because it doesn't know about the new folder yet).

    Sigh! Your example was a bad one, because apparently IrfanView uses
    its *own* "Save Picture As ..." (note ... Picture ...), *not* the
    general *Windows* "Save As" (note, no "Picture") window.

    Non response duly noted!

    You're missing the point, probably intentionally.

    You have a *IrfanView* related question/problem, not a generic
    *Windows* "Save as" window one.

    Different programs, different windows, different solutions.

    So now take *another* program which *does* use the general Windows
    "Save As" window and follow the - much easier - instructions which
    others (Stan, I, etc..) gave. For example in Chrome use <three_vertical_dots> -> Cast, save, and share -> Save -> Save page as
    ...

    What's also wrong in your example is that you apparently want the path
    of the *parent* folder (G:\data in your screenshot), not of the folder
    in which the picture is saved (gmail_takeout in your screenshot). Or is your way a clumsy way of getting the full path (G:\data\gmail_takeout)
    by getting the parent (G:\data) and child (gmail_takeout) part
    seperately?

    I was in a hurry when I made that screenshot as I was so exited it worked.

    You are correct in pointing out that I will always want the full complete path to the final Save-As folder, so my prior screenshot was off by a
    folder when I tried Herbert's suggested method, which is corrected below.

    Read my lips: You're NOT using standard/generic *Windows* "Save as",
    you're using *IrfanView-specific* "Save Picture As...". Two totally
    different beasts.

    [More *IrfanView-only* related stuff deleted.]

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  • From Frank Slootweg@21:1/5 to Quincy the fifth on Thu Sep 19 18:36:01 2024
    Quincy the fifth <quincythefifth@telekom.net> wrote:
    [...]

    Can someone give the EXACT program they are using please?

    I tried the method that Stan suggested (and Frank suggested too), with
    Dialog just a moment ago, and Herbert's and my methods worked, but not theirs.

    No matter where I clicked, right or left, what Stan suggested should show
    up didn't show up. In fact, nothing showed up but the graphical tree. https://i.postimg.cc/c4ymWRmD/dialog.jpg

    I need something that is the full path that I can copy to the clipboard.
    Not a graphical tree (which is only visual).

    I think Herbert's method is universal while Stan's can't be reproduced by
    me yet, but I'm probably not using whatever program's Save As you're using.

    Probably IrfanView and Dialog are old-style programs which have their
    own built-in 'Save ...' windows and don't use the generic/standard
    Windows one.

    As I mentioned, just try Chrome, or try <barf> Edge, or try
    Thunderbird. Chrome and Edge work as we (Stan/I) say. Thunderbird
    probably does too, but I have a stone-age version of Thunderbird, so I'm
    not sure if the current one behaves the same.

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  • From Frank Slootweg@21:1/5 to Quincy the fifth on Thu Sep 19 18:50:32 2024
    Quincy the fifth <quincythefifth@telekom.net> wrote:
    [...]

    Here is Dialog, which is the first program I just tested after Irfanview. https://i.postimg.cc/c4ymWRmD/dialog.jpg

    Herbert's method worked.
    Stan's method didn't exist.

    I suspect Herbert's method is universal - Stan's method can't be universal. Otherwise Stan's wouldn't be so difficult to reproduce with any program.

    As I mentioned in another response, both IrfanView and Dialog are by
    no means "any program". IrfanView uses it's *own* 'Save ...' window and probably so does Dialog.

    Even so, I'd like to reproduce what Stan suggested. Can you show a
    screenshot of Stan's method - or at lest tell me the steps to do?

    I already mentioned Chrome (in the post you're responding to!) (and
    later mentioned Edge and Thunderbird).

    In Chrome: <three_vertical_dots> (in upper right> -> Cast, save,
    and share -> Save -> Save page as ...

    That will give you the type of generic/standard Windows "Save as"
    window Stan and I are talking about. In *that* window right-click in the
    path field (Stan's method) or click in the space *after* the path (my
    method).

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  • From Quincy the fifth@21:1/5 to micky on Thu Sep 19 20:40:21 2024
    On Thu, 19 Sep 2024 13:57:03 -0400, micky wrote:


    In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Wed, 18 Sep 2024 23:10:34 +0200, Quincy
    the fifth <quincythefifth@telekom.net> wrote:

    A million times a day I save something using any number of programs and >>then I have to do something else with it using any other program.

    All I want is to copy FROM the Windows File Explorer "Save As" window what >>the full path to the saved folder is, where all I get is a pulldown path.

    What I am forced to do is "Open command window here" to get the full path.

    An example is let's say I modify a photo in Irfanview and I save it using >>the Save As in Irfanview which brings up a "Save in" File Explorer window.

    In that "Save Picture As..." window, I right click in the white space and >>select "Open command window here" so that I can copy the prompt which is a >>$P$G prompt so that the full path to the save folder is part of the prompt. >>
    But Windows should make it easier than that to just get a full path name.

    I haven't read the whole thread yet, but at least one file manager has
    Copy Full Path. However it's not the win10-included or PowerDesk, and I forget who had that. ;-(

    If it's in the right-click context list for a file manager, maybe that
    would cause it to be in the context list for the same file when you find
    it somewhere else??

    If you do go looking for other file managers, note that some or all of
    the free ones are 32-bit, but if you want it see all your files, you
    need a 64-bit file manager. The only file I know of that is 64 bits
    is HOSTS, or hosts. but one is enough to drive you crazy if you don't
    know why it's missing. C:\Windows\System32\drivers\etc\hosts

    To find the location of that file I used Everything, and "Copy Full Name
    to Clipboard" is one of its context options, but of course if you
    havent' been running Everything, it takes a while to gather the info it needs.

    It has to work for every Save As in Windows or it's not all that useful.

    Luckily so far, Herbert's method is universal - it works for everything.

    I'm still trying to find a program where Stan's method works but I've only tried two so far (Irfanview & Dialog).

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to Frank Slootweg on Thu Sep 19 18:02:11 2024
    On Thu, 9/19/2024 2:50 PM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
    Quincy the fifth <quincythefifth@telekom.net> wrote:
    [...]

    Here is Dialog, which is the first program I just tested after Irfanview.
    https://i.postimg.cc/c4ymWRmD/dialog.jpg

    Herbert's method worked.
    Stan's method didn't exist.

    I suspect Herbert's method is universal - Stan's method can't be universal. >> Otherwise Stan's wouldn't be so difficult to reproduce with any program.

    As I mentioned in another response, both IrfanView and Dialog are by
    no means "any program". IrfanView uses it's *own* 'Save ...' window and probably so does Dialog.

    Even so, I'd like to reproduce what Stan suggested. Can you show a
    screenshot of Stan's method - or at lest tell me the steps to do?

    I already mentioned Chrome (in the post you're responding to!) (and
    later mentioned Edge and Thunderbird).

    In Chrome: <three_vertical_dots> (in upper right> -> Cast, save,
    and share -> Save -> Save page as ...

    That will give you the type of generic/standard Windows "Save as"
    window Stan and I are talking about. In *that* window right-click in the
    path field (Stan's method) or click in the space *after* the path (my method).


    It's even possible some of these programs are built with older versions
    of Visual Studio, and would work in Windows XP or Win2K.

    As for the "snippets" of a project I'm seeing peer through the thread,
    there must be a better way to detach the attachments than doing each one manually with Irfanview! Perhaps the attachments were not labeled in
    an effective way, that requires manual sorting ?

    GoogleTakeout -- a mailbox -- detach picture on some messages -- sort strategy

    These would be stored as MIME and maybe BASE64 inside the mailbox file.
    But it is also possible for the body text of a message to be BASE64 too
    (the ThaiSpam campaign was doing variants like that). Some older message
    tools, would just leave the BASE64 in your face, whereas others are smart enough to decode it for you.

    https://superuser.com/questions/406125/utility-for-extracting-mime-attachments

    The MIME header of each section, should be unique enough to prevent collisions.

    You could try munpack, or maybe this, but this would be
    more of a "project unto itself".

    https://www.djcbsoftware.nl/code/mu/cheatsheet.html

    $ mu extract my-msg-file '.*\.jpg'

    The second argument is a case-insensitive regular expression, and the command
    will extract any files matching the pattern – in the example, all .jpg-files .

    http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/precise/man1/mu-extract.1.html

    https://web.archive.org/web/20160325002816/https://code.google.com/p/mu0/

    Around Ubuntu 12.04 or so, and out of support.

    Might be written in LISP. Has a ./configure so should be pretty easy to cook.

    https://web.archive.org/web/20160325002817if_/https://mu0.googlecode.com/files/mu-0.9.9.5.tar.gz

    Paul

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to micky on Thu Sep 19 20:27:38 2024
    On Thu, 9/19/2024 1:57 PM, micky wrote:
    In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Wed, 18 Sep 2024 23:10:34 +0200, Quincy
    the fifth <quincythefifth@telekom.net> wrote:

    A million times a day I save something using any number of programs and
    then I have to do something else with it using any other program.

    All I want is to copy FROM the Windows File Explorer "Save As" window what >> the full path to the saved folder is, where all I get is a pulldown path.

    What I am forced to do is "Open command window here" to get the full path. >>
    An example is let's say I modify a photo in Irfanview and I save it using
    the Save As in Irfanview which brings up a "Save in" File Explorer window. >>
    In that "Save Picture As..." window, I right click in the white space and
    select "Open command window here" so that I can copy the prompt which is a >> $P$G prompt so that the full path to the save folder is part of the prompt. >>
    But Windows should make it easier than that to just get a full path name.

    I haven't read the whole thread yet, but at least one file manager has
    Copy Full Path. However it's not the win10-included or PowerDesk, and I forget who had that. ;-(

    If it's in the right-click context list for a file manager, maybe that
    would cause it to be in the context list for the same file when you find
    it somewhere else??

    If you do go looking for other file managers, note that some or all of
    the free ones are 32-bit, but if you want it see all your files, you
    need a 64-bit file manager. The only file I know of that is 64 bits
    is HOSTS, or hosts. but one is enough to drive you crazy if you don't
    know why it's missing. C:\Windows\System32\drivers\etc\hosts

    To find the location of that file I used Everything, and "Copy Full Name
    to Clipboard" is one of its context options, but of course if you
    havent' been running Everything, it takes a while to gather the info it needs.


    It takes Everything.exe a bit of time to do the first scan
    (2 seconds for reading $MFT, 20+ seconds for visiting all directories
    and getting file sizes. On a SSD.)

    Once Everything.exe has the first scan, it can "listen" to the USN change journal broadcast, for "newly created items". In the same way that
    Windows Search does it (SearchIndexer listens for journal updates).
    That works on NTFS file system (which is the majority of workflow partitions). While you might have the odd FAT32 on a USB stick, it isn't generally a good idea to do a lot of random writes to a USB stick. Not the cheap ones
    they make now.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Everything_%28software%29

    "Once created, the index is continually updated by the application;
    in the case of NTFS the updates are fetched from the NTFS change journal."

    There are ways to screw that up, like booting into Linux maybe, or using
    the disk drive on another machine for an hour or two. A fresh scan would
    bring things back into sync.

    In my unfortunate example, I tried to do a test case on S: and somehow,
    S: had the USN journal turned off. While I have turned off a journal while testing, it definitely wasn't on that partition.

    Paul

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  • From Jukka Lahtinen@21:1/5 to Paul on Sat Sep 21 00:32:53 2024
    Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> writes:

    I can think of the odd thing, that Windows now does better.
    The right-click to copy a string in terminal, then right-click
    to paste that same string, comes to mind. In Linux, you have to
    select "Copy" from a menu, then select "Paste" from a menu,
    because ctrl-C is overloaded, and that key-pair both copies
    and kills processes.

    ???
    In Linux, I just copy by painting with the left mouse key pressed, and
    paste with the right mouse key. No menus involved.

    And when you want to rename a file in Linux ? Well, get outta here.
    You have to select "rename" from some fucking menu, like a chimpanzee.

    I normally just use the mv command, or if not doing it with the
    terminal, click to select and press F2 to enter the new name.
    No menus needed here either.

    It used to work properly. I never did hear an explanation or a
    justification for adding an extra (obnoxious) step. It didn't always
    work like that. If I want to copy a file name, I select the file,
    select "Rename" (even though I won't be renaming anything), copy
    a port of the string in the tiny dialog box, "copy" the string,
    then paste it somewhere. For some value of "simple".

    I have to admit, I don't usually see UI features "go backwards"
    in Windows, but they have done that in Linux (take a shorter sequence,
    make it longer, then fail to explain to people how the new
    sequence is "better").

    And in Linux, why can't they leave the bloody file manager in
    "Details" display mode ? Why do I have to (over and over and over again...) turn on Details mode ??? Then, of the four file managers, the icons
    for selecting the mode, are different on each one, so you're staring
    at the menu bar and going "which one of you mother fuckers is the
    Details button this week". (Nemo, Thunar, Nautilus, PCManFM, Caja.
    hope I didn't forget any of them...) <=== and you know, when I
    want to do file sharing and get a file off WIndows, I have to *type*
    these fucking things into a Terminal, since the GUI doesn't work.
    This means, for the distro I'm working in, I have to successfully
    remember my context, and whether it is Caja I should be typing
    or Thunar. How many names do you have to memorize on Windows,
    by comparison ? And the names just roll off your tongue too.
    And when the mood strikes them, they will "alias" stuff,
    like instead of accepting "Xed", they want you to type some
    variant of "TextEditor". Or "Disks" or "Files" as shorthands
    for something else.

    IDK, I think overall, windows does a damn fine job. I can easily
    generate a $1 Linux Rant without too much effort.

    Paul

    --
    Jukka Lahtinen

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  • From Hello@21:1/5 to Mr. Man-wai Chang on Sat Sep 21 17:45:19 2024
    On 21/09/2024 17:07, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:


    If you click on the address bar of File Explorer,

    That's the problem. It's too much work for the OP. He wants everything
    to be automatic. Save a document, open the file explorer. Save an image,
    open the file explorer. Everything should be automatic for the OP. Can't
    you understand this?

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