Control Panel may finally be removed from Windows 11, soon. Here we go
again, Microsoft has been migrating the Control Panel for nearly a
decade now.
As Neowin reports, an update to a document on Microsoft's support
portal, filed under the System Configuration tools states that "The
Control Panel is in the process of being deprecated in favor of the
Settings app, which offers a more modern and streamlined experience."
https://www.ghacks.net/2024/08/23/microsoft-may-finally-be-removing-the-windows-control-panel/
Control Panel may finally be removed from Windows 11, soon. Here we go
again, Microsoft has been migrating the Control Panel for nearly a
decade now.
As Neowin reports, an update to a document on Microsoft's support
portal, filed under the System Configuration tools states that "The
Control Panel is in the process of being deprecated in favor of the
Settings app, which offers a more modern and streamlined experience."
https://www.ghacks.net/2024/08/23/microsoft-may-finally-be-removing-the-windows-control-panel/
<carl@viators.org> wrote:
Control Panel may finally be removed from Windows 11, soon. Here we go
again, Microsoft has been migrating the Control Panel for nearly a
decade now.
As Neowin reports, an update to a document on Microsoft's support
portal, filed under the System Configuration tools states that "The
Control Panel is in the process of being deprecated in favor of the
Settings app, which offers a more modern and streamlined experience."
https://www.ghacks.net/2024/08/23/microsoft-may-finally-be-removing-the-windows-control-panel/
Using voidtools [Search] Everything, I found 3,839 RTF files on my C:
drive (OS & apps partition). Notepad doesn't support RTF. The bundled WordPad does. Is Microsoft going to give us a stub of MS Word in place
of WordPad? Are we users going to have to install a 3rd-party RTF
editor (e.g., Jarte), or some monster word processor (e.g., LibreOffice)
to compensate for the loss of WordPad?
VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote:
<carl@viators.org> wrote:
Control Panel may finally be removed from Windows 11, soon. Here we go
again, Microsoft has been migrating the Control Panel for nearly a
decade now.
As Neowin reports, an update to a document on Microsoft's support
portal, filed under the System Configuration tools states that "The
Control Panel is in the process of being deprecated in favor of the
Settings app, which offers a more modern and streamlined experience."
https://www.ghacks.net/2024/08/23/microsoft-may-finally-be-removing-the-windows-control-panel/
Using voidtools [Search] Everything, I found 3,839 RTF files on my C:
drive (OS & apps partition). Notepad doesn't support RTF. The bundled
WordPad does. Is Microsoft going to give us a stub of MS Word in place
of WordPad? Are we users going to have to install a 3rd-party RTF
editor (e.g., Jarte), or some monster word processor (e.g., LibreOffice)
to compensate for the loss of WordPad?
I added that response since the article also mentions loss of WordPad.
"The
Control Panel is in the process of being deprecated in favor of the
Settings app, which offers a more modern and streamlined experience."
*From:* carl@viators.org
*Date:* Sun, 25 Aug 2024 23:35:03 -0500
Control Panel may finally be removed from Windows 11, soon. Here we
go
again, Microsoft has been migrating the Control Panel for nearly a
decade now.
As Neowin reports, an update to a document on Microsoft's support
portal, filed under the System Configuration tools states that "The
Control Panel is in the process of being deprecated in favor of the
Settings app, which offers a more modern and streamlined
experience."
https://www.ghacks.net/2024/08/23/microsoft-may-finally-be-removing- the-windows-control-panel/
On 8/25/24 23:10, VanguardLH wrote:
VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote:
<carl@viators.org> wrote:
Control Panel may finally be removed from Windows 11, soon. Here we go >>>> again, Microsoft has been migrating the Control Panel for nearly a
decade now.
As Neowin reports, an update to a document on Microsoft's support
portal, filed under the System Configuration tools states that "The
Control Panel is in the process of being deprecated in favor of the
Settings app, which offers a more modern and streamlined experience."
https://www.ghacks.net/2024/08/23/microsoft-may-finally-be-removing-the-windows-control-panel/
Using voidtools [Search] Everything, I found 3,839 RTF files on my C:
drive (OS & apps partition). Notepad doesn't support RTF. The bundled >>> WordPad does. Is Microsoft going to give us a stub of MS Word in place >>> of WordPad? Are we users going to have to install a 3rd-party RTF
editor (e.g., Jarte), or some monster word processor (e.g., LibreOffice) >>> to compensate for the loss of WordPad?
I added that response since the article also mentions loss of WordPad.
M$ has been pushing UTF16 in their API calls for years.
Any idea what they will substitute for Word Pad, which
I used a lot to convert UTF16 to Notepad (utf8)?
M$ has been pushing UTF16 in their API calls for years.
Any idea what they will substitute for Word Pad, which
I used a lot to convert UTF16 to Notepad (utf8)?
There's no plan to substitute anything. Wordpad is canceled, and that's it. Now, how about a nice Office Subscription for $X per month ???
Is Microsoft going to give us a stub of MS Word in place
of WordPad?
carl@viators.org wrote:
"The Control Panel is in the process of being deprecated in favor of
the Settings app, which offers a more modern and streamlined
experience."
And generally suck.
On 26/08/2024 12:54, Paul wrote:
There's no plan to substitute anything. Wordpad is canceled, and that's it. >> Now, how about a nice Office Subscription for $X per month ???
I can sense Microsoft bashing here but if people can learn to think
outside the box, there are always alternatives.
1) Microsoft online Office is one option.
2) LibreOffice is another
3) Copying of WordPad folder containing executables is another option.
Let's face it programmers have to be paid somehow so that they can put
food on a plate for themselves and for their family. We are not living
in a communist state where people work for the regime and the regime
looks after the people with their liberties taken away. We don't have
any restrictions to move away and find something else.
On 26/08/2024 12:54, Paul wrote:
There's no plan to substitute anything. Wordpad is canceled, and that's it. >> Now, how about a nice Office Subscription for $X per month ???
I can sense Microsoft bashing here but if people can learn to think
outside the box, there are always alternatives.
1) Microsoft online Office is one option.
2) LibreOffice is another
3) Copying of WordPad folder containing executables is another option.
Let's face it programmers have to be paid somehow so that they can put
food on a plate for themselves and for their family. We are not living
in a communist state where people work for the regime and the regime
looks after the people with their liberties taken away. We don't have
any restrictions to move away and find something else.
M$ has been pushing UTF16 in their API calls for years.
Any idea what they will substitute for Word Pad, which
I used a lot to convert UTF16 to Notepad (utf8)?
The program used to be handy for examining binary files for text strings, among other things. How many other programs handle binary with aplomb ?
3) Copying of WordPad folder containing executables is another option.
Windows spellcheck is a bit wacky. It has no problem with Arial
but flags arial as a typo.
On 8/26/2024 6:14 AM, T wrote:
M$ has been pushing UTF16 in their API calls for years.
Any idea what they will substitute for Word Pad, which
I used a lot to convert UTF16 to Notepad (utf8)?
Unicode 2-byte character encoding has been in the API for
decades, probably since it became clear that ANSI wouldn't
accommodate Chinese and we might not be able to talk them
all into dropping their language. It's not a new thing. It's an old
thing.
UTF-8 has spread quickly in large part because it also works
for ASCII. Switching to Unicode-16 would break everything,
so I don't think you need to worry about that.
Notepad in Win10 also seems to accommodate Unicode-16. Though
I don't know when I've ever seen unicode-16 text in a file, aside
from PE resource strings and internal DOC content. I'm surprised
that you've had occasion to make conversions of text files.
By coincidence I've been making an RTF editor myself lately.
I wanted to make a nicer version of Notepad. I use Notepad
more than any other program. When I discovered that Win8+
has built-in spellcheck I was intrigued. Notepad in Win10 has no
spellcheck. The Find/Replace is still primitive. Wordwrap toggling
requires going to the menu. Large files are still difficult. So I decided
to fix all that in my own lightweight Notepad, using a RichEdit
window. Since I was doing that I'd be automatically supporting
RTF, so I also added basic RTF editing and export to HTML -- trying
to avoid feature creep and still keep it as a quick, light Notepad replacement.
(Interestingly, RTF in Win10 is already crippled. If there's a picture, Windows jumps in and warns that it's dangerous content. If I
load an RTF into my richedit window, and it has a picture I didn't
put there, the picture is simply dropped out!)
I loathe auto-spellcheck and always disable all that squiggly
line noise. But adding my own spellcheck allows me to design it
in my own preferred way. I've added a custom exception list and
the function runs by looking for all questionable items at once,
only when it's run, generating a list so that I can easily review a
whole file when it's done, rather than typing in a file full of visual
noise.
I also had to add some customizing options.
Windows spellcheck is a bit wacky. It has no problem with Arial
but flags arial as a typo. "Did you mean "aerial", or maybe "acrobat",
or maybe "chocolate milkshake"?
But I can't say that I've ever used RTF very much. I doubt that
most people do. V may have 3,000 of them, but they're mostly just
license files and such that are packed with software. I doubt that
many people know what Wordpad is. And anyway, with the new
Windows as a Service online rental, there'll surely be "an app
for that". :)
Longhorn is growing like a cancer out of Windows, so
that eventually there won't be any Windows left to talk about.
There'll just be cheery, dancing Metro slabs with smiley faces
asking, "What do you want to experience today, T? But before we
get to that, let's just update your credit card on record, shall we?
...And you want to open an RTF file? How quaint. But no problem.
Presto. You now have an ongoing subscription to Office 365. Wasn't
that easy?"
On Mon, 26 Aug 2024 08:37:45 -0400, Newyana2 wrote:
Windows spellcheck is a bit wacky. It has no problem with Arial
but flags arial as a typo.
How can you characterize that as wacky? The name of a typeface is a
proper noun, and it is an error to lowercase it.
T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
carl@viators.org wrote:
"The Control Panel is in the process of being deprecated in favor of
the Settings app, which offers a more modern and streamlined
experience."
And generally suck.
Not sure if you meant roving through the Control Panel applets sucks in trying to find which has a setting you want to change,
or having to rove
through the umpteen menu levels in the Settings app sucks.
I have a folder full of shortcuts to the wizards listed in Control
Panel, like "C:\Windows\System32\sysdm.cpl".
That Control Panel
(control.exe) goes away might still have the .cpl and .exe wizards
available. Can't tell until it happens. Won't know what happens to the Control Panel applets should the Control Panel organizer goes away.
Another choice by some is to create a folder that gets renamed with a
GUID that makes it a God mode folder for Control Panel. Instead of
wading through wizards trying to find a setting, you see them in the God folder listed in a flat hierarchy with some grouping. I haven't used
this, but I know other folks like the flat list.
Newyana2 wrote:
...and it all started in 2007 when Windows Live Mail was released.
It's no secret that Microsoft is moving toward "Windows as a Service".
They're not trying to hide it.
The majority of Windows 7/Vista interpreted it as a replacement for
Outlook Express and Vista's Windows Mail.
Completely missing the purpose of the product.
- Cloud sync for Mail, Contacts, Calendar, SkyDrive, PhotoGallery
- Intended primarily for Live/Hotmail/Msn.com accounts using the
DeltaSync server. The inclusion of POP3 and IMAP was solely for
backward compatibility for message migration, not necessarily for use.
In fact it wasn't until later, 2008 that Hotmail.com account POP3 access became available, followed by IMAP.
- Monetization in free accounts online cloud UI(premium annual
subscription accounts remained ad-free and still to this day - fka
Outlook Premium now M365 basic at the same price it was in 2008 -$19.95
per year)
-i.e. the premium subscription while ad-free was the seed and
beginning for Windows and Office 'as-a-Service'.
Complaints(19 yrs running) about Windows Live, Windows, Office,
Click-to-run have reached the stage of a broken record still missing
that 2007/2008 objective to migrate the product line to the cloud and 'as-a-service' and built upon the Azure and Exchange platform.
Yes, correct, WaaS, OaaS was never hidden, it just started, and well
before folks realized they were complaining about the wrong thing.
On Mon, 8/26/2024 8:37 AM, Newyana2 wrote:
On 8/26/2024 6:14 AM, T wrote:
M$ has been pushing UTF16 in their API calls for years.
Any idea what they will substitute for Word Pad, which
I used a lot to convert UTF16 to Notepad (utf8)?
Unicode 2-byte character encoding has been in the API for
decades, probably since it became clear that ANSI wouldn't
accommodate Chinese and we might not be able to talk them
all into dropping their language. It's not a new thing. It's an old
thing.
UTF-8 has spread quickly in large part because it also works
for ASCII. Switching to Unicode-16 would break everything,
so I don't think you need to worry about that.
Notepad in Win10 also seems to accommodate Unicode-16. Though
I don't know when I've ever seen unicode-16 text in a file, aside
from PE resource strings and internal DOC content. I'm surprised
that you've had occasion to make conversions of text files.
By coincidence I've been making an RTF editor myself lately.
I wanted to make a nicer version of Notepad. I use Notepad
more than any other program. When I discovered that Win8+
has built-in spellcheck I was intrigued. Notepad in Win10 has no
spellcheck. The Find/Replace is still primitive. Wordwrap toggling
requires going to the menu. Large files are still difficult. So I decided
to fix all that in my own lightweight Notepad, using a RichEdit
window. Since I was doing that I'd be automatically supporting
RTF, so I also added basic RTF editing and export to HTML -- trying
to avoid feature creep and still keep it as a quick, light Notepad
replacement.
(Interestingly, RTF in Win10 is already crippled. If there's a picture, >> Windows jumps in and warns that it's dangerous content. If I
load an RTF into my richedit window, and it has a picture I didn't
put there, the picture is simply dropped out!)
I loathe auto-spellcheck and always disable all that squiggly
line noise. But adding my own spellcheck allows me to design it
in my own preferred way. I've added a custom exception list and
the function runs by looking for all questionable items at once,
only when it's run, generating a list so that I can easily review a
whole file when it's done, rather than typing in a file full of visual
noise.
I also had to add some customizing options.
Windows spellcheck is a bit wacky. It has no problem with Arial
but flags arial as a typo. "Did you mean "aerial", or maybe "acrobat",
or maybe "chocolate milkshake"?
But I can't say that I've ever used RTF very much. I doubt that
most people do. V may have 3,000 of them, but they're mostly just
license files and such that are packed with software. I doubt that
many people know what Wordpad is. And anyway, with the new
Windows as a Service online rental, there'll surely be "an app
for that". :)
Longhorn is growing like a cancer out of Windows, so
that eventually there won't be any Windows left to talk about.
There'll just be cheery, dancing Metro slabs with smiley faces
asking, "What do you want to experience today, T? But before we
get to that, let's just update your credit card on record, shall we?
...And you want to open an RTF file? How quaint. But no problem.
Presto. You now have an ongoing subscription to Office 365. Wasn't
that easy?"
The Windows 11 Notepad uses lazy evaluation, like it was gedit or something. This means, if you open a 500MB text file, and use the scroll bar,
you can "never reach the bottom". We can't even compare the load times
of W11 versus W10 Notepad, because you can't really tell that W11 is finished.
The Windows 10 Notepad keeps nose to grindstone, and loads your file.
It loads a 1 GB text file in five seconds.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/xjpGn9DK/W11-vs-W10-notepad.gif
This is a situation where you really have to shoot video of each
product, to capture the impact of the design decisions. When I first
saw W11 Notepad loading a text file the sloppy ole way Linux does it,
I said an expletive and the next thing I said "Is that GEdit ? That
looks suspiciously like GEdit."
What I could not understand, is why the improvements in W10 version
could not be kept when slapping Metro gravy on top. The implementation language is different, the Notepad might be C# while the Metro one
could be Javascript, but still, there was some good code to use as
a base.
Using voidtools [Search] Everything, I found 3,839 RTF files on my
C: drive (OS & apps partition). Notepad doesn't support RTF. The
bundled WordPad does. Is Microsoft going to give us a stub of MS
Word in place of WordPad? Are we users going to have to install a
3rd-party RTF editor (e.g., Jarte), or some monster word processor
(e.g., LibreOffice) to compensate for the loss of WordPad?
I haven't tried W11 Notepad. I heard that it has spellcheck, but you
make it sound very flaky. I've always wondered about high volume loading. Notepad in XP chokes easily on high volume. In Win10 it's still just a standard Edit window, but a 5MB Bible text file loads in about 2 seconds.
It loads notably faster in a RichEdit, which is very robust. But I've wondered
about things like Notepad++ with Scintilla. Does that actually load the
whole file, or only the parts being accessed at the moment? Is that what you mean by lazy evaluation?
Windows 10 Notepad even fixed Find-Replace,
so it works efficiently (unlike how it used to work for years
and years -- it was broken in WinXP era).
On 8/26/2024 5:38 PM, ...winston wrote:
Newyana2 wrote:
...and it all started in 2007 when Windows Live Mail was released.
  It's no secret that Microsoft is moving toward "Windows as a
Service".
They're not trying to hide it.
The majority of Windows 7/Vista interpreted it as a replacement for
Outlook Express and Vista's Windows Mail.
Completely missing the purpose of the product.
  - Cloud sync for Mail, Contacts, Calendar, SkyDrive, PhotoGallery
  - Intended primarily for Live/Hotmail/Msn.com accounts using the
DeltaSync server. The inclusion of POP3 and IMAP was solely for
backward compatibility for message migration, not necessarily for use.
In fact it wasn't until later, 2008 that Hotmail.com account POP3
access became available, followed by IMAP.
  - Monetization in free accounts online cloud UI(premium annual
subscription accounts remained ad-free and still to this day - fka
Outlook Premium now M365 basic at the same price it was in 2008
-$19.95 per year)
  -i.e. the premium subscription while ad-free was the seed and
beginning for Windows and Office 'as-a-Service'.
Complaints(19 yrs running) about Windows Live, Windows, Office,
Click-to-run have reached the stage of a broken record still missing
that 2007/2008 objective to migrate the product line to the cloud and
'as-a-service' and built upon the Azure and Exchange platform.
Yes, correct, WaaS, OaaS was never hidden, it just started, and well
before folks realized they were complaining about the wrong thing.
  That must have been the Hailstorm idea? Frankly I never paid
much attention. In many ways MS have been too far ahead of the
times. That could arguably be said to have started back in Active
Desktop, 1998. The browser was centerpieced, ads on the Desktop,
"channels" to subscribe to webpages... 25 years ago. It was brilliant
in a way, but Internet connections were too slow and people really
didn't want ads. More to the point, they didn't understand. Hardly
anyone even noticed the Channel Bar on the Desktop! Passport was
before its time. Hailstorm was before its time. SPOT watches, the
same. Now people have Apple watches and "log in with Facebook".
They took Microsoft's ideas and MS got left behind.
 I think part of the problem, too, is that MS tends to focus on ideas to make money, without really giving the product much thought. None
of those earlier developments actually offered anything that people
wanted. The same is true now. They're focusing on how to make more
money instead of focusing on making a product that people want to
pay for. But maybe it's more successful than what I see. I know that
many colleges are now forcing people to use either MS office
and email or Google docs and email.
I find that the biggest issue is that Microsoft comes up with a decent
idea but abandons it fairly quickly if it doesn't become an overnight
hit. The Windows Zune is an example of this, as were Windows Messenger
and the Windows Phone. I liked the former two but even then I knew that
there was little to no chance that Microsoft would actually support them
long term. Look at how they've more or less killed off Skype.
On 8/27/2024 9:16 AM, CrudeSausage wrote:
I find that the biggest issue is that Microsoft comes up with a decent
idea but abandons it fairly quickly if it doesn't become an overnight
hit. The Windows Zune is an example of this, as were Windows Messenger
and the Windows Phone. I liked the former two but even then I knew
that there was little to no chance that Microsoft would actually
support them long term. Look at how they've more or less killed off
Skype.
 They're killing off Skype? I didn't know that. I use it occasionally
to chat with an old girlfriend from my youth and less often
for group meeting things. What's the alternative? Are they forcing
people to use some kind of Microsoft tool with a membership?
They're pushing people toward using Teams. You'll notice that if you
download the program now, you have an ability to switch from a work
account to a personal one rather easily. It seems that they want people
to migrate toward it for their personal communications.
In my case, Telegram is still the best choice.
If you did not scroll down in Windows 11 Notepad, it is hard to say
whether it would ever finish reading the file and loading it, right
to the very end. GEdit has been doing it that way for years. Very... annoying...
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